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December 20th, 2011
05:59 PM ET

After layoff, finding new meaning in a lower paying job

By Michelle Rozsa, CNN In America

Plainsboro, New Jersey (CNN) - It is just before noon on a Sunday and Carl Fields is rushing through narrow aisles in a busy kitchen at a rehabilitation center. He dodges between tall metal serving carts and workers ladling steaming mashed potatoes. Plates of roast beef are coming off the food line to be capped with white plastic domes, set on trays and loaded onto carts.

“You said 'coleslaw,' Reg?” Fields yells to another man in the kitchen, as they dash around to find the missing slaw and get meals out to 125 residents.

“Cart up,” he yells each time a stack of trays heads toward the dining halls.

For 10 to 12 hours a day, often more than five days per week, Fields manages a kitchen staff. His duties include everything from checking that the correct items are on the food trays to helping to plate missing salads.

This is a place he never expected to be. “Never crossed my mind quite frankly,” he says.

In 2009, Fields was more than 25 years into a career with a large insurance brokerage firm, donning suit and tie five days a week to manage large commercial accounts.

“Four days short of my 58th birthday," he says, “I received notice I was being laid off. It came as a total shock, honestly.”

The company was reorganizing and his position was being eliminated.

Fields and his wife, Lynette Clark Fields, appeared in CNN’s 2010 documentary “Black in America: Almighty Debt."  At the time, he had been unemployed about a year and a half, and was tirelessly hunting for a job.

“I feel that I am going to get a job,” Fields said last year while as he stood over a table piled high with applications to work as an account manager, administrative assistant, warehouse clerk, truck driver. Back then, he estimated he had applied for more than 300 job since his insurance company position was eliminated. He spent long days at the library, poring over employment websites.

Fields is a devout Christian and he remained positive about his job search - and his future - because of his unwavering belief in God.

“I know he's already planned it,” Fields said in 2010.  “And I know that he's bringing it into existence for me.  I know that.  I trust that."

Despite Fields’ strong faith, it was a grueling journey that finally ended in June, two years and four months, after he was let go from his executive management job at the insurance company.  He was visiting his mother-in-law at a newly opened rehabilitation center when he asked one of the workers if the facility was still hiring. They were.

The salary? About two-thirds less than Fields was earning in insurance.

“I knew it was less money, but it didn’t matter,” Fields says.  “It was about being able to get up, go to work and contribute. I’m not a taker. Never have been.

“I felt human again," he says with a laugh.

He's thrilled to be working now, but the Fields still struggle with massive debt.

“It’s a deep hole,” Fields says as his wife listens and nods.  Their bank recently allowed them to refinance and lower the mortgage on their home, but they still have one car payment and, “we have insurances. We have medical needs. We have life needs quite honestly,” Fields says.

Every month they come up short. They won't say exactly how much, but Clark Fields acknowledges it's a lot - so short that they took a step they hoped to avoid: drawing on Fields’ pension from the insurance brokerage firm five years early.

“There is a large penalty for taking the pension before 65,” Clark Fields explains.  “It’s a huge penalty and you can’t make it up.  You either take it now and get the lower amount or you wait until you’re 65.”

The Fields aren't the only ones who are struggling. Black unemployment surged to its highest level since 1984 this year - 16.7% for African-Americans in the months of August. In the same month, the unemployment rate for whites fell slightly to 8%, according to the Labor Department.

“The need to take pay cuts, and substantial pay cuts, is becoming more and more common,” says the Rev. DeForest “Buster” Soaries, the Fields' pastor.   “When you drill down into those new jobs [being created], many of them are low-paying jobs without benefits. And displaced workers are finding they have to just get a job so they don’t lose their minds."

Soaries oversees First Baptist Church of Lincoln Gardens, a large, mostly African-American church in central New Jersey.  In September, he noticed a growing frustration among members, many of them middle class and unemployed for months and college educated, like Carl Fields, with bachelor's and master's degrees.  He started an employment ministry designed to help members keep skills sharp, network and find work.

“One-hundred-and-fifty-five church members signed up saying, 'We need the church’s help in finding jobs,'” he says.  “Well, the average church in America has 150 members. To think that I have, essentially. a whole church unemployed is quite challenging.”

Fields feels settled in his work life, something he sorely missed when he was unemployed.

“I was in the dining room this afternoon,” where he often chats and mingles with the patients in the center, “and I saw a resident who said, ‘Oh, there you are.’ That’s very fulfilling," he said.

He values his connections to the residents: bringing meals to their rooms, getting updates on their conditions over lunch and chatting with concerned spouses in the hallways. He enjoys comforting people, and his new job allows him to do that.

That’s part of the reason he's no longer looking for another higher-paying opportunity, although his wife believes he'll move up in the company.

When he first got his position at the rehabilitation center, he would come home at night and go straight to his computer to search for a new and better spot.  But he quickly got the feeling that jobs were drying up.

“I think the doors are being blocked," he says, "because this is where God wants me to be.”

 

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  1. Sunny Murchison

    Simply stated: The gap between the rich vs. the poor widens everyday in the United States.

    December 25, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
  2. NotAnAdventure

    I hate to sound like letsgomets2012 but he is so right on the money. Most of the manufacturing jobs are out of our "DEAR" country and what was left were some service sectors and even they are out the door right in front of our very own eyes. Who so ever started this offshoring thing .... You DID NOT DO THE RIGHT THING.....All IT jobs are in India now and all Manufacturing is in China now....

    The only left is us here with NO JOBS.... WAKE UP AMERICA !!!!

    December 24, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Debbie

    Go ahead and preach to "pampered" liberals and tell them to get a job and get on with it. THAT'S FINE. We already have an UPRISING in place...it's not just OCCUPY movements....it's called FILE EXEMPT.

    December 24, 2011 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Terry

    58 years old and a mortgage and a car payment on wife's car. That home doesn't like too shabby either. Not very good planning and a lot of over spending if haven't got that house paid for by age 58 and yet paying a car on payments too aT 58? BAD PLANNING AND OVERSPENDING !!!

    December 24, 2011 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Terrence

      Wow talk about judgmental. There's nothing wrong with having a car note and mortgage at 58. Having that paid off is nice at any age but most people cant pay cash for a brand new car.

      December 31, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
  5. letsgomets2012!!

    The big deal is to tell those out of work to start their own business or to retrain for another career.

    What do you suggest one retains as???

    And if you don't get a tuition waver via the state - and even then that is limited to only 4K; that's the limit in NJ if you are collecting unemployment and you want a tuition voucher for retraining - you get to take out a student loan and that might be disasterous! how the hell do you pay it back if you do not find a job?

    Retrain as what?

    Health care?

    NOT for everyone.

    And no American nurses are being hired. Why? Simple: it's visaed nurses from other countries. END the H1B program now.

    Teaching is out; most states are laying off. And teaching isn't for everyone.

    Computers and IT?

    Thanks to outsourcing, that is a dead field, too.

    And retrainf for what where the training will be minimal and you'll make a livable wage?

    December 24, 2011 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Debbie

      I understand the frustration over foreign workers being hired over Americans right in our country. I hope the good Lord punishes anyone, any corporation who does such a thing to any American i.e., a qualified nurse or doctor...such a shame...especially after all that education.

      December 24, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
  6. ArranWebb

    All hail the almighty dollar. Hail hail hail! Without the dollar you are dirt. All hail the dollar! The rich man has a pile of money so high that when he climbs on top of his money he is closer to God. All hail the dollar! Heil heil heil!

    December 24, 2011 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Andrew Brown

    What is the point of this god forsaken story. It is okay to have a low paying job??????

    December 24, 2011 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
  8. d

    ..praying to God for a job...wow

    December 24, 2011 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Personally

      Everything belongs to God, so why not?!?!? Who else should he pray to? Or would you prefer he bow to your feet and beg?!?!? Get real!

      December 24, 2011 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
  9. ENOUGH

    I gues the real problem may lie in going to work for a corporation in the first place. The only reason they can behave with indifference is that there is always a line of the ready, willing and able to come in behind the guys that get let go. In defense contracting we call it "greening" replacing the old high cost team with kids out of school.

    December 24, 2011 at 6:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • letsgomets2012!!

      You will get what you pay for.

      That is the expression that comes to mind here.

      December 24, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
  10. ironage

    Don't pay too much attention to the people on this forum who are blaming the unemployed people for being unemployed. Most of them are living in a fairy-tale.....authored by Ayn Rand.

    December 24, 2011 at 6:09 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Reggie from LA

    @Random replied to @alfred.white96, who is silly. Huh Ha Ha! But Random has a point. Random is trying to tell us what real welfare is. It's people chumming up to the right people who are not working and being supportive of others and are just rich. People who receive benefits from social programs are not making out, they are most often in despair and we hate them and call them leaches. Take a look at some of them there gold diggers. How about Sarah Palin? What kind of real work has she done to make all those millions? Snookie? Kim and other Kardashians? They're real welfare queens.

    December 24, 2011 at 6:03 pm | Report abuse |
  12. divi

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLonnC_ZWQ0&w=640&h=390]

    December 24, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • CNNSucksASS

      Gloria Borger is a shill.

      December 24, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Report abuse |
  13. letsgomets2012!!

    Submitted for your approval....

    Here's an ad running on Craigslist; they are willing to pay a whole $8 an hour for a secretary/admin.

    Are they KIDDING???

    This is only one of many ads paying nearly nothing.

    If this is how they want to roll, let them hire a student, a housewife or a retiree; hang a HELP WANTED ad in the window and get a very very local resident to take the job.

    No way anybody living on their own in this area can get by on that kind of crap salary.

    December 24, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Romney4Prez

      I make $20 an hour. I could live on $8 if I had to.

      People want the same things they always had when they have to move backward. The idea of switching from Cable TV to local broadcasting is unthinkable.

      I feel no pity for these pampered liberals.

      December 24, 2011 at 5:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • letsgomets2012!!

        Really?

        Where do you live?

        You can afford:
        Rent/property taxes
        Health insurance costs per month
        Car and car note
        Utilities
        Food and other "incidentals"
        Pay for your weekend frills and other "extras"
        Keep up with your dental and other health costs not covered by insurance

        And all on $8 an hour.

        Do you have dependents to support?

        Can you easily save MONEY and put it in the bank/invest on $8 a hour???

        I doubt that you could.

        December 24, 2011 at 5:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • SallynChicago

        Romeny4Prez: you lie 🙂

        December 24, 2011 at 6:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Herb

        You are just like your presidential candidate Romney,a stupid,clueless know nothing idiot.

        December 24, 2011 at 6:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • letsgomets2012!!

        If you live way down South and you had a flat with 2 or 3 roommates, then MAYBE you can make it on $8 an hour.

        Not by yourself as a full grown adult with normal expenses.

        December 24, 2011 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Personally

      For that $8 does it require unnecessary bilingual experience?!?!?!?

      December 24, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Romney4Prez

    If you are working and are having a hard time getting by, there are 3 possibilities to what is acusing your situation.

    1) You are not living within your means.
    2) You have failed to have proper health insurance (ie you you bet and lost)
    3) You have not been practicing responsible breeding

    Society has no responsibility to help you. If you cannot make it in the richest nation on earth, frankly you do not belong here. You are dead weight.

    December 24, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • letsgomets2012!!

      Wow are you stupid.

      Um, consider this...
      1-You are a member of the working class poor. A nonlivable wage job is all you can get at this point.
      2-Your company does not offer health insurance; you either go without or you pay on your own.
      3-And responsible breeding has nothing to do with it. Middle age people whose kids are full grown and out of the nest are now having to live with THEIR parents, thanks to being out of work or only being able to find a non livable wage job.
      4-There is also the 2 income trap. Google it and you'll learn something.
      3-

      December 24, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • n900mixalot

      We're not the richest nation, clueless.

      December 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Whatabout

      What about those people who were doing all those things you mentioned, and then got blindsided by a bad economy? You try to make this problem seem clear cut and simple, but it's not. If you get blindsided, key word blindsided, by your company, which has happened to many people in this economy, then suddenly, the situation changes. What used to be within ones' means is suddenly not, health insurance could've been affordable before and suddenly it's not. You could have one child that you've already sent through college and still be hit hard if you are let off in a surprising fashion, a story all too common in this economy. Please refrain from arrogance, those three factors you covered don't cover everything, keep in mind of current events and other socioeconomic factors as well before you spew this kind of ignorant speech again.

      December 24, 2011 at 5:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • letsgomets2012!!

        Look at the dumb screen name; that says it ALL.

        Other reasons for "not getting by": Catastrophic health event, you weren't paid much to start with and your expenses kept going up, you've got a full grown kid out of work and you're sending that person money to get by and now you're in a hole - that's to name a few more.

        December 24, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrew

      In response to everyone blaming people struggling to get by as being "lazy" or "irresponsible"...

      If you take the blinders off, it's obvious that debt and living week to week is not a matter of irresponsible choices. I've been in a job for 5 years where my pay has been cut 50% in a short period of time. I now bring home, after taxes, about $1050 per month. After a $600/mo rent payment (don't own my own place or rent an apt anymore: I live in a friend's spare bedroom, thank you) and $150/mo to commute to work, $250 for the month just barely covers food and necessities. I have no cable. I was unable to purchase a single gift for Christmas this year. There is no money for health insurance.

      This is the reality of today's full time jobs, many of which have slashed pay as an alternative to mass layoffs. (I used to make $36k a year in the same job). Blaming people for that kind of situation, and making the erroneous assumption that someone like me must be wasting money on frivolous things, shows more than ever that the "successful" in this country are largely ignorant buffoons who hold onto power and money by standing on the backs of others, despite incompetence and criminal stupidity.

      December 24, 2011 at 6:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • SACHUGG

      To: Romney4Prez,
      PLEASE...You need to be very careful how you phrase things. Since becoming unable to work at my position beginning in the middle of 2006 my life has become a downward spiral of despair, hopelessness and helplessness. Each day begins and ends with the same endless search for something, anything that will help me too to have the feeling that Mr. Fields seems to cherish now that he is working, that he is "contributing something". I have felt useless for years now in spite of my significant effort to find work, any work. Sometimes this feeling of uselessness is so very strong that it causes me to be very, very depressed and yes, to the point of putting myself out of my misery so please, use caution in your wording and avoid phrases like "...frankly, you don't belong here. You are dead weight." Some of us already know that and feel that feeling very strongly and there is always a chance those awful words could push a desperate person over the edge. So please, share your strong ideas on the subject as you wish, just choose your words carefully and with a touch more compassion. These are heartbreaking times for many of us.

      December 24, 2011 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
  15. snoopy

    The US middle class is gone, there is no job security in any company the 60,70,80,90's are memories. Who to blame? Well, blame the American system, of having it all on credit. The American mentality is just on spending, when in other counties they teach you to save. Good luck America,

    December 24, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • letsgomets2012!!

      How in hell did "at will" employment sneak in the back door???

      it's now the law in how many states??? Uh, HOW did this happen???

      This is madness; you can be axed due to any reason; that's what "at will"employment is.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrew

      If we're looking for something to blame, we can only blame ourselves for 20 years of spending money on goods that largely are made in other countries. The American ignorance is to ignore the fact that anything made overseas creates a direct flow of money OUT of this country, and it never will come back. We are draining our wealth to pay for Chinese & Indian labor, and it will not stop until we either refuse to give any more of our dollars away, or China et al. become so wealthy that their products are no longer dirt cheap.

      Option one means we stop stretching every dollar in order to afford more "stuff", and are willing to buy fewer goods in exchange for their being American made (and somewhat more expensive). We are the million dollar athlete who spends his millions and is bankrupt five years into retirement.

      December 24, 2011 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • Debbie

        WHAT CAN WE DO....all there seems to be in stuff made in CHINA!! Any solutions anyone? Where do I shop for American goods. DAMN IT.

        December 24, 2011 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
  16. John

    I wonder how many of the people who have lost their jobs over the past few years were really worth what they were being paid? And if they were, why isn't some employer snapping them up?

    I think we've all worked with people who didn't earn their keep. And yet there they were.

    Remember the movie Office Space? One of the characters in the movie was fired a few years back, but somehow continued to get paid. Then, the consultants (The Bobs) came along and "fixed the glitch." In reality, it isn't quite that simple, but the concept is the same. People are being paid who contribute nothing. Then, someone "fixes the glitch" and there're gone. LOL

    December 24, 2011 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      You ask why employers aren't snapping them up? Because employers can snap up workers in other countries who live six and eight people to a room and get paid a fraction (tax free) of what an American would need to earn in order to pay taxes and live just below the established poverty level.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • SallynChicago

        Dan: So True. Those type of people come from poor countries and live like that in their country. I can think of Africans and Mexicans who live in mud huts, come here and bring their families over and everybody works who can and they all pile into a studio apartment.

        We are "racing" to the bottom. There's a book Race to the Bottom, that predicted this. That because we are a service economy (service jobs don't pay $$$), that our salaries would be cut and we would almost be living like the 3rd world people. But there's that 1% who have managed to get theirs and use slave labor to eek out more $$$ at everybody's expense.

        December 24, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • letsgomets2012!!

      Employers arent snapping them up for a variety of reasons:

      1-easier to take the job, let it go unfilled...and give the workload to other people. They now get to do the work of 2 employees for the price of ONE.

      2-They hire some boob who will work for a pittance. And usually the boob is worthless.

      3-They are too cheap to pay another employee. I had a boss who was notorious for this way way back in the Eighties: we'd get a worker who quit due to retirement, a new job or relocation or whatnot. The boss would eliminate the position and we'd get to do that person's work.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • JAG

        As an employer, I will take advantage.

        As an employee, I will be taken advantage of.

        Current American Economics 101

        December 24, 2011 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • JAG

      Yo Einstein,

      That character in "Office Space" was fired, but he's so oblivious that he continues to work there for free.

      Hmm, reminds me of some other people.....

      December 24, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Synapse

      John- Yeah, I remember the movie "Office Space"... it was a MOVIE- Richard Pryor became a millionaire in the Superman movie because he collected all the %ages of pennies from the corporation he worked for- THAT was a movie, too. This is real life in 2011/12... There are not enough jobs- a major reason is because the GOP is working against the Prez's efforts to create them. Whether you think so, or not- this is a real and serious problem, on which the future of the US depends

      December 24, 2011 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Jacket88

    No one was forced to buy a house they couldn't afford. No one was forced to sign for adjustable rate mortgages that they could not understand. No one was forced to take out loans for a "worthless" liberal arts college degree. Stop being victims.
    You vote every day when you spend your money. How many people that are complaining about the outsourcing of US jobs continue to shop @ Wal-Mart? Use your unemployment time to start a business, any business.. Create your own job. Stop waiting for someone else to create your job for you. Only then will you recognize the true value of your labors.

    December 24, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • chet

      The Republican Party is married to global capitalism. Which means competing heads up with China. Where the average worker makes $200. Which is why our jobs are being shipped there. There are 1.8 billion Chinese. They will take every job on earth. Until we deal with this fact in a reasonable manner, America is screwed. Our standard of living is crumbling. Merry Christmas.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • lucianne

      Well, aren't you just the cat's meow? If everyone created jobs there would be no one to fill them. It's neat that you are so secure you never have to worry about your finances or your health insurance, and you are so brilliant that you can effortlessly start buiness after business. The rest of us aren't so lucky. I am actually in the 1% but in the past I have been threatened with homelessness and I can gaurantee that you aren't any better than people declaring bankruptcy and living in packing crates – just luckier. I hope there really is karma and that it gets you what you deserve.

      December 24, 2011 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • n900mixalot

      It'd be nice to just "start a business" but navigating the red tape in 2011, and the liabilities, is something you sort of need that debt-inducing degree to be able to understand. How about instead, we prioritize EDUCATION so that we don't need to go further than high school to be able to understand how to read, write, and think.

      December 24, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Report abuse |
  18. The_Mick

    The real meaning of his lower pay is that America's GDP is growing, but it's the wealthy -including the CEOs who got average 27% and 36% raises the last two years- who are benefiting while we're destroying the Middle Class in order to create serfs to beg the wealthy for jobs.

    December 24, 2011 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Henry

    Very unfortunate these days. I recommend for those who lost jobs learn how to create jobs instead of only waiting for job offers.

    December 24, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      I hear you but be realistic. That's much tougher than it sounds...

      December 24, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • letsgomets2012!!

      Easier said than done.

      It is not easy to set up a self run business. It also is NOT for everyone.

      Even if you start a business where it is no overhead and nothing invested, you still need to "get the word out" and start building a client base: not easy.

      Job retraining is NOT the answer. I live in NJ; everybody is trying to jump on the teacher bandwagon; there is a glut of teachers and a glut of those who are going the alternative teaching route.

      A guy I know graduated with an education degree in May; the only job he could find was a contract teacher's job. This means no benefits and the job is only for a year.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • BK

      The last job I got had almost 20 times more people apply than there were slots for. The problem isn't that people aren't actively looking; it's that the jobs are simply not there.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • dave

      This the best idea I've read thus far...! I happon to agree with you 100%...the person who's going to hire you had to think about creating a job/business in order to hire you...! Great advice....!

      December 24, 2011 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • n900mixalot

      So you expect the general US citizenship, with our exceedingly low literacy rates, to be able to figure out the tax code well enough to be able to do their own taxes as entrepreneurs, or at least not to get reamed by over-charging accountants?

      Right.

      December 24, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
  20. letsgomets2012!!

    I am gainfully employed and seeking a new job.

    Anybody been to an interview lately? You'd be gobsmacked at the nonsense that you're put through - are we being hired for a full security clearance job or are we trying to get a job in our field???

    Yesterday I got a call in response to an ad that i replied to. I am an admin assistant and that is the job I was interested in.

    A very young girl called me in regard to the job - and my goodness gracious, the third degree that I got: how much experience do you have, what is your level of experience with office apps Excel, Word and other, have you ever done calendering, how many execs have you supported, do you have a problem with working 9 am to 6 pm and several others, can you do pivot tables and do you do macros.

    WOW...all of this is ON MY RESUME!!!!!

    This is extraneous nonsense and like I said, questions that are a waste of time. And everybody is GOING TO SAY YES and give positive answers to all of the above!

    Why are you wasting a candidate's TIME???

    After all of this I got "Thank you Ms. Letsgomets2012. I will pass your resume on to our vice president; if he is interested we will call you to set up an interview."

    That usually translates out to Thanks but no.

    These questions were never asked in a phone screening in the old days. If they were asked it was AT THE INTERVIEW.

    And they were only paying 38K to 45K. All this and the proverbial bag o'chips that they want.

    Utter and sheer nonsense.

    If this trend keeps up, unemployment will be off the wall indefinitely.

    December 24, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • RealDeal

      "And they were only paying 38k to 45k".....Shut up and quit whining, and welcome to The New America. Just keep in mind that 80% of the worlds population has to struggle to not starve to death and to find clean drinking water etc. Americans have been in a fortunate position for the past century maybe, but that will change....soon we'll all be fighting for jobs at Subway and picking fruit.

      December 24, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • letsgomets2012!!

        My whole point is they want everything and they are paying you nothing.

        Welcome to the new employment world.

        December 24, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • BK

        So you believe that the fact that others are worse off than Americans make it unnecessary to try to improve things here? So none of your own problems matter if there is a person anywhere on the planet that has it worse?

        December 24, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Frank

      38-45k sounds very generous for that type of job. We hire engineering students top notch schools and they start at that same scale, 45k if they have a masters degree. By reading your supposed 'job skills' I can honestly say that they are much more qualified to make that amount of money than you. These kids are so smart and talented they could easily do your job, but no way in hell you could ever make sense of the microwave and computer engineering that they do for us. You were lucky during the boom to make good money, now you are in the same boat as the rest of the slackers and parties that coasted through joke collages or got easy degrees.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
  21. unowhoitsme

    Forget it if you're over 50. No chance at any job.

    December 24, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rod C. Venger

      Not so! Maybe you should take a good look around you at the jobs 50-60 year olds are holding. If you think that someone interviewing you can't tell that your interest in the position you've applied for is about on the level of watching paint dry, you're mistaken. You need to make believers out of those people, not act like what they're offering is barely worth your time.

      December 24, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
  22. FedUpwithLA

    Since when is selling insurance an "honorable career"? He is doing more good for more people working in the kitchen than studying actuary tables, and charging people appropriately for things that may never occur. Debt? Unfortunately, that's US, isn't it? When will good jobs return? As soon as we start making/manufacturing things for internal consumption and export and humbling the military/industrial complex.

    December 24, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Curtis from MCO

    Gee, he's lucky at two third's of his former income. I handled insurance claims for 30 years until laid off and now I'm running a delivery van for three days a week at 1/5 of my former income...........

    December 24, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • letsgomets2012!!

      Don't get me started on this topic. We are in a RACE TO THE BOTTOM!

      Who the blank has ever heard of this: you are a college grad - either a freshly minted one or one that graduated in old school days - and you are NOT able to find a job in your field, or one that is comparable?!

      Those with advanced degrees cannot find jobs.

      You bet what's going on here?

      Send back all of the guest workers here on a visa: this is IT people, engineers, allied health care workers (this is why no American nurses are being hired) and I daresay we will beat unemployment in one fell swoop - we will hoist it on its own petard and then some.

      December 24, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      @Curtis from MCO – Comparing a fraction of the drop of your old salary to the fraction in the drop to the man featured in this article is not possible unless you compare exacly what each of you once earned. Maybe he used to earn $150K annually and you used to earn $500K annually... Catch my drift?

      December 24, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Getaclue

    Demand a larger minimum wage! Is that really the answer? How about no minimum wage at all! That's what we need. Survival of the fittest. Honest days wage for honest days work. If you are a good worker someone would be proud to have you on their team. If they don't reward you for your talent your new company will. Create a self funded tax defered unemployment fund that you control yourself. Your unemployment account would be funded until you had twenty six weeks in reserve. Once the twenty six weeks are in reserve you would not be required to fund this any longer. If you were fortunate enough to work your whole life without drawing on your account you could then roll it into a health account to pay your medical expences still growing tax defered. Quit enabling.

    December 24, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      You really believe the 1% owned federal, state, and local governments is going to increase the minimum wage?

      December 24, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Debbie

      the reason why government has made rules for Unemployment and a standardized wage system is because of people like you who fiend on profits at the expense of other citizens. The problem now is that citizen's greed has allowed the gov't to forego on dealing with the federal minimum wage to the point of harboring so many working poor Americans including college grads.

      December 24, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
  25. David

    I am 30 years old with three college degrees (B.Sci, M.B.A., and J.D.) yet find myself unable to find meaningful work while living with the parents... I see high school graduates and hell drop outs doing better than I! Expose the "You must Go-To-College to be a success" myth.

    December 24, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Debbie

      S E R I O U S L Y IT'S THE W A G E S.

      DEMAND A (SUBSTANTIALLY) HIGHER FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE.

      December 24, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • David

        I've given up on America long ago...

        December 24, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • capers8

        A higher minimum wage would only make things much worse

        December 24, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • mba,jd,cpa

      David, as you are probably realizing, the number of degrees is relatively insignificant compared to the quality of the school attended. Thus, a graduate of a top school with only a bachelors degree is likely to have far more opportunities than someone with a mba and jd from a third-rate school. As noted in a recent WSJ article, the unemployment rate for Ivy league grads is quite low. Those who choose University of Phoenix type schools for a degree should be prepared to be treated by most recruiters and HR depts as if they did not go to college.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • David

        UMass-Amherst... Yeah, no.

        December 24, 2011 at 6:23 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Debbie

    Bill, some people would rather have a steady pay check and not write. This article is an INSULT to anyone working for low wages especially if they've been in a higher wage bracket or if they're college educated. But all in all anyone, college educated or not, executive or not, deserves to be paid a living wage. Unfortunately, our country, among liberals as well as conservatives, in gov't and authors like the one who wrote this article, FAIL to realize we have a low wage epidemic in this country it's called the (current) FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE. DEMAND A HIGHER FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE...because the media or your government will not do it for you. My "debisisrobustus" channel discusses some of this in case anyone is interested.

    December 24, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Debbie

      ...sorry http://youtube.com/debisisrobustus

      December 24, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
  27. marianne bennardo

    4 more years of Obamanomics, and see where we all are then!! Let's see, try a sinking ship.

    December 24, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • JUGGERNAUT

      this ship has been sinking for 30 years, but nice try~

      December 24, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  28. clancyfannn

    If he can write good he should become a writer, like Tom Clancy did. He was an insurance guy for many years too.

    December 24, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Bill

    Forgive me if I sound naive, but how come so many that are out of a job don't try to do online work for themselves? I hear how so many use their computers to look for a job, but they can use that to start their own job. I'm a high school dropout and run 3 dozen of my own websites.

    It takes only a 20 dollar bill to get yourself hosting and a domain to start your own website. You then become affiliates with sponsors, which is free. I learned everything I'm doing by myself with no schooling at all. I'm not rich but I work at home and pay all my bills. I just don't understand why nobody seems to think of doing this?

    You can even make good money simply writing articles for other people online. I myself pay two people to write post for me. If your out of a job, look into working for yourself online. 🙂

    December 24, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Debbie

      That's a great idea, but that's not too easy to do for many people. Many of us DO NOT WANT TO WRITE FOR A LIVING and would rather have a steady pay check. But still not a bad idea, for some.

      December 24, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ed Draw

        Debbie, I am over 70 and retired. Before I retired, I worked a number of jobs. Of necessity, some of jobs were jobs that I would have rather not had but they were available. Life does not always give us what we WANT.

        December 24, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Skeptic

      I don't for one minute believe you are making a living working online! Unless maybe you are one of those online job scammers that are all over the internet.

      December 24, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bill

        Hmmm, well this answers my question then. I guess most just don't believe they can do it, or think all online work is a scam. It also is a steady paycheck; I've had 3 or 4 different paychecks every week for the past 10 years. It's also not all writing. I started out writing for others, then got smart and made my own sites and now hire others to write for me.

        But I guess most just don't believe it, or don't believe they can do it. All my sites are information and helpful sites that don't charge anyone anything at all. Fine, never mind then, just trying to help. For those who may be open minded about it, just check out some affiliate forums and learn how to do it. Good luck everyone.

        December 24, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
  30. d

    By the way,.....it don't take 2 years to make 2/3 less. Anyone can pick up a basic job any time.

    December 24, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
  31. usa49

    The whole situation is the direct result of outsourcing to India and China for cheap labor and bringing in the cheap labor of H1b and L1's

    December 24, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • lydia

      We need to have our government reinforce the job policy. All of American jobs have been sent to China & India, that is why we are all jobless.

      December 24, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
  32. d

    Enough with the black thing. This is about a 58 year old american man whose company showed no loyalty to him, when he became vulnerable.

    Too bad you ruined an important story with the black in america crap.

    December 24, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • JUGGERNAUT

      you dont like, dont read m0r0. the "black thing" will never be over as long a there is racism in the usa.

      December 24, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
  33. vol245

    A one minute commercial before the video. No thanks.

    December 24, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • alex

      agreed – never worth it

      December 24, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Walter

    This is the new economy. People can scream and squawk about a getting a "living wage," but the fact is that more and more people are going to have to learn to live on less money. They may not be able to afford a house, or even children, but that's the way it is folks.

    December 24, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • alex

      Yes it is extremely tough out there. A friend of mine got a job recently and she told me "its a great job but the salary isn't good." Dichotomy right there – but you have to get on with it.

      December 24, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
  35. Kevin

    Bless your heart,Mr. Fields. Sir. A truly inspiring story. To all naysayers in this form, they don't have half the heart you have. Press on and Fly.

    December 24, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
  36. sameeker

    I have noticed several stories lately where the theme is no longer the damage that low wages are causing, but how we should work for nothing because it "makes one feel good". I feel good when I can earn a decent living and pay my bills.

    December 24, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lee J Peter

      Great Comment..

      December 24, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Salad Spinner

      that's because he has the mythical sky boy to console him....barf!

      December 24, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Debbie

      Very smart and yes, GREAT comment. Thank you. I wish more would say the same thing!
      IT'S THE WAGES FOLKS!! GREED IS EVERY WHERE...NOT JUST IN WALL ST AND TRADING MORTAGES!

      December 24, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
  37. Occupy_Wall_Street_Guy

    I read all these complaints about corporate america yet I always see tons of cars packed into Wal-Mart parking lots and Mcdonald's drive-thrus. WHY?

    Americans truly are lazy. They'll complain all day without doing the simplest of things that are easily within their power.

    Get off your duffs and drive or walk that extra half mile to a local small business owned restaurant. The food is better and the prices are not much higher. At least you know the profits are being pumped into your community, not some political coffer to keep the common man down.

    Nobody is asking you to start a bloody revolution here.

    The first step to independence is to stop supplying the corporate king with cash to buy off the politicians.

    December 24, 2011 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • larrydavid

      Liberals don't tell you what they believe; they tell you what they want you to believe.

      December 24, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • xeno

      To Larry David–True, but conservatives do the same thing.

      December 24, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Floretta

      Sorry but in many places, especially rural, Walmart is it. No more mom and pop five and dime stores like when I was a kid. We do eat at local, family owned restaurants, shop at a non-chain convenience store, buy at farmers' markets in season but there is only so much that can be done, depending on your geography.

      December 24, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Oh, Really?

    Obamanomics.

    December 24, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oh, Really?

      Trickle up poverty doesn't work.

      December 24, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joshua Ludd

        You act as if Obama created this economy. He didn't. 30 years of trickle down economics and deregulation did. You want to complain about Obama not fixing all of this in 3 years while the global economy has also been in the toilet. Thats just plain ludicrous.

        December 24, 2011 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Larry L

        Like trickle-down economics works? When America invests in it's workers we have prospered. When we invest in the "job creators" the economy nosedives. This is not sound bites from Glenn, Rush, and Sean. These are facts. The so-called "job creators" have enjoyed the lowest tax rates in 30 years yet they created no jobs. They simply sent their orders offshore and sat on their money. How brainwashed can you be?

        December 24, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Semiahmoo

        Spot on Joshua Ludd

        December 24, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dell Stator

        Ditto, Trickle down economics cost the gov't 1.75 trillion in just 10 yrs, and will cost another 3 trillion in the next 10. Deficits up, no surprise there is there. Our bought and paid for elected officals, all rich themselves, the rich and corporations who bribe them at every turn, all knew very well what trickle down was meant to be. It was meant to be a way to cripple America, 95% of its people, and leave 5% of the people in such complete control of money, cash, captial, real estate, everything, that you dance to their tune or starve in the gutter with your family. Obama is blameless in this decades long ripping off of America, as was the recent, and brieft marginal dominance of the dems in congress (very manrginal as fillibustering means you need super majorities to pass the time of day, not just a majority). We, the people, the 90% of America who have suffered more and more this last decade while a few, just 1 to 5% of Americans propered insanely, have one last chance to turn American around, to return to it the MIDDLE CLASS that made this country the envy of the world. I hate playing partisan politics, but it's desperation time, you republicans that haven't seen raises, have to pay more and more for health insurnace and copays, GET FIRED as a reward for 25 yrs of wrrk, right before retirement, when no one will hire you (another problem), have got to learn that for you and YOUR CHILDREN, the republican party is not the answer, they are the problem.

        December 24, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • BeverlyNC

      Finding dignity is about strength of character. Republican policies under Bush destroyed our economy, killed tens of milions of jobs and gifted corporations with moving all our jobs overseas where they could abuse foreign workers and treat them like animals. The stock market is higher than ever – so thank Obama for that. The rich are doing very well since not one has created a job here in America. The Wall St firms being fined for their fraud that destroyed the housing market and the lives of millions of Americans are not suffering. They just layoff more of their workers to make sure they still get their obscene bonuses. President Obama is doing everything he can for the People. Republicans are going everything they can to destroy the People to please their corporate bribers. Let's end this madness and clean out the House of all Republicans and all those up for re-election in the Senate – especially Filibuster record setter Mitch McConnell. Let's end the government employment of Boehner and Cantor. Why should they make 6 figure salaries for doing nothing for We the People, lying to us, and trying to kill every program we rely on? Why should we let them kill the working and successful Healthcare Law while they all get free government taxpayer-funded healthcare and a full pension that is 80% of their salary for lfe??? Not one desere it. Let's end their salaries and healthcare and pensions before we touch one single program that benefits the people – like SS. Medicare. help for the poor, healthcare for all, and even education Republicans have defunded and destroyed across the nation. Republicans are anti-People, anti-America, and only care about power, greed, and themselves. We need real leaders who take their oath to serve We the People seriously. Vote straight Democratic and lets' get America moving in favor of what is best for the People.

      December 24, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • mannycl

        This is an excellent example of faith and hope. Trying to politicize somebody's misfortune is disgusting and wrong. I would suggest to those blaming Bush, Obama, and whomever they consider at fault should research the recent history of economics and the future possible solutions but it will take time. There are no easy solutions and certainly promoting class warfare is not one of them.

        December 24, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Report abuse |
  39. alfred.white96

    I am a 35 years old CEO, ri;ch and strong but still sin;gle ... now Christmas Eve is coming!!! You wanna find your lover to enjoy this wonderful time together? I am see;king a good woman who can give me a real love, so I joined BillionaireFriends.COMit's the first and best club for wealthy people and their adm;irers. Well, you do not have to be rich ,but you can meet one there.

    December 24, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Vumba

      Gee, I wonder why your still single at 35?

      December 24, 2011 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • BD70

      Your a CEO...!!!??? Must be you work for yourself.

      December 24, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rob

      Pathetic.

      December 24, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • BeverlyNC

      How twisted are you? You must be Republican to think this is anywhere near normal.

      December 24, 2011 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • sameeker

      Another stinking spammer. I have reported this ad twice but nothing gets done.

      December 24, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • random

      Everybody knows that money doesn't buy you love, but it will bring in gold diggers. Buy some real good life insurance (with her as a beneficiary), and than go take that trip in Grand Canyon together – – oops.... ....he fell! Helloooooooooooooooooooooo!

      December 24, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Jim970

    This is one of America's problems. We look down on the people who have the "poor" jobs. When I lived in Spain, it was a different situation. The guy who worked as a janitor had just as much status and was just as proud of his job as the banker. But here it is different. If you don't have a 5-digit monthly income, you are slime.

    December 24, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Linda

      Jim 970 that's the way it should be-I myself never look down on people with ANY job, why the hell should I?

      December 24, 2011 at 12:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Vumba

      Jim, although I "only" make a 4 digit monthly salary, I am always looking for a good yard man, are you interested?

      December 24, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • mannycl

      I have what I consider a decent job and don't look down to anybody nor have I ever done so. You cannot categorize a whole country based on maybe some bad experiences or wrong perceptions.

      December 24, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • RealDeal

      BS dude......Spain is a hugely classist country, the janitor there is a low life just like he would be in any other country in the world. In fact, Id say the US is one of the least classist societies in the world....

      December 24, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
  41. SamLv

    So, he got a refinancing and lowered principal on his mortgage.

    Can I have that, too? Doh, wait, I paid my mortgage on time. How stupid was I to do that?

    Pretty stupid, I guess.

    December 24, 2011 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Mike

    I'm reminded of The Myth of Sisyphus

    December 24, 2011 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Camus said, "We mjust believe that Sysphus was happy."

      December 24, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Gary

        Sisyphys..... Oops!

        December 24, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
  43. zoundsman

    Downshifting from a previous lifestyle is the hardest. It's like a deep sea diver being pulled to the surface without
    decompressing. It takes a long time (sometimes) to readjust and get over the dreary reality.

    December 24, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Dave Knecht

    Being in the insurance business myself for over thirty years, and being the same age as Carl really hits home. I was laid off three years ago and by the grace of God was able to find a good position within a few months. The toll even a short-lived layoff does to one's self-esteem is astonishing. Thankfully, its not our self-esteem, but the esteem that God holds us in that is what matters. Carl and his wife are wonderful and powerful testaments to many of us who only rely on ourselves during good and bad times. God WILL bless them in His time, and their faithfulness is humbling.

    December 24, 2011 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • PraiseTheLard

      Dave Knecht wrote: "... by the grace of God was able to find a good position within a few months. "

      Does that mean that Carl Fields didn't pray as hard as you did, or do you now work for some ministry?

      What utter rubbish...

      December 24, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scor48

      You are right Dave. Carl & his wife will be fine. Trusting in God is the best answer. He will open the right door.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
  45. DD

    Good for him! Merry Christmas!!

    December 24, 2011 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
  46. grammar police

    The following sentence: "Back then, he estimated he had applied for more than 300 job since his insurance company position was eliminated" looks as if it were written by a four year old. Please educate your writers and editors about plurality rules and proper preposition usage.

    December 24, 2011 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • real cop

      .
      scru you!
      .

      December 24, 2011 at 12:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Great Real Cop

        Lol!

        December 24, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
  47. electricgrendel

    The lo, the wolves' PR system did verily find the finest of sheep. Taking this sheep they held him high before the rest and said: "Look now you upon this fine sheep. How it was once more, but now settles upon being slowly devoured. This is how you should be. This is the natural way of it." In God We Trust.

    December 24, 2011 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
  48. @WHO CARES

    BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR ON PEOPLE YOU MIGHT GET IT YOURSELF! POWER OF THE TOUNGE! ROFLMAO

    December 24, 2011 at 6:57 am | Report abuse |
  49. Slyder

    quickly losing faith in humanity x__X

    December 22, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Report abuse |
  50. misha

    It is mesmerizing how passively people accept this systematic public rip off of americans by the 1% with all kinds of justifications including God's will. Its time to awaken and realize that we are getting what we deserve because we allow these corporate jerks to rule of the business without regard to the ones who actually ehlp to build it. Democracy in the work place is what is needed and a general uopheaval to remove those CEOs and directors from their cozy chairs, including the tentacles in the government. They spread like cancer and it is because we let them. Time to end this. Time for a total labor reform. Time for a total government reform and total replacement of cozy chairs. Revolution II is needed just as the First American Revolution voted a non confidence vote against the Crown, Time to act NOW for a total clean up!!!

    December 22, 2011 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • SteveInMA

      Hear, hear!

      December 24, 2011 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
  51. Neutrina

    I admire their persistence and faith BUT i see something very wrong right off the bat. How can he say that he is living below his means when he has a 6k monthly expenses and they come up short by 2k every month?
    I also couldn't help but notice that he has an upscale huge house in what appears to be an upscale neighborhood and pretty expensive looking cars.
    To truly live below his means and have enough money they need to scale down their living. They need to move to a more affordable neighborhood with more affordable homes/mortgage or even an apartment for a while if necessary. Even if that means walking away from a house they could no longer afford to pay.
    If they have loans on their vehicles, they could sell them and downgrade vehicles or even go down to sharing one vehicle. No eating out, sell much of their "stuff" (trinkets) in the house that they don't need.
    THAT is living below your means.

    Case in point–Our family of 4 (2 adults and 2 kids) has approx 2k/month in expenses.
    The mortgage to our 1500sf home, which is in a in a very nice neighborhood, is only 1k a month. And yes were we live there's lots of people paying 1,500-3k a month mortgages.
    Even though we qualified for a 300k home, years ago (before the crash of 2008) we made the decision not to go down that road in case either one of us ever got laid off. Instead we purchased a 140k home for $120k (after negotiations) in order to live well below our means and be able to save money.
    We keep our expenses low by being frugal. That means shopping at thrift shops for clothing and close out stores for other things we may need. Both our vehicles are used-few years old.
    You CAN have a good, healthy happy life living well below your means. But to truly live below your means the huge house and expensive mortgage has to go. The expensive cars have to go if you're still paying a loan on them.

    December 22, 2011 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOE

      Great post. So much common sense involved. I think that's definitely lacking in society today. Again, great post.

      December 24, 2011 at 12:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Weak Sauces

      Keep the nice house and move in roommates to offset cost.

      December 24, 2011 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thrifty Me

      I could post the same holier-than-thou post that you did as I also have always lived below my means. However, that doesn't help the people who bought the hype that was systematically sold to them by the financial industry. Frankly, when I paid off my mortgage 6 years ago, I felt like a damn fool because all the pundits were saying keep the mortgage and invest your money elsewhere. I can look around my own modest neighborhood and see that people are trapped. They can't sell their houses and, if they could, they couldn't get a mortgage on a new one, even for less money. It would probably cost them money they don't have to get out of their car loans. The most they can do is try to hang on and hope things get better. I don't know what made you decide to live well below your means. I know I got it from my parents, who were always extremely frugal. So, I was lucky I was brought up that way. It doesn't make me some sort of superior human being to those who have been burned by our screwed up financial system. If the answers were so simple as "sell your house" and "sell your car," people wouldn't be suffering so much. Yes, I believe in thrifty living, but we shouldn't heap all of the blame on the victims.

      December 24, 2011 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • awn

      It is great you can find a house with that price range. In many areas of the US, even with the house prices falling (ie CA), it is impossible to find a home for less than 200,000. So, one should not judge based on this.

      December 24, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scor48

      You and your spouse made good choices. When Carl & his wife made choices their fiinancial outlook was positive. Things changed and they are ajusting. They are accessing options available to them. They are to be commended for not throwing up their hands and giving up. We do not need to harshly judge them. They will be fine and I beleive they will continue to modify as needed.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
  52. WhoDat

    @Gabriel; "Religion is a powerful unregulated drug". LOL,,,,I am almost falling off of my chair. Sorry,,,you need a therapist.

    December 22, 2011 at 9:19 am | Report abuse |
    • PraiseTheLard

      Actually, he's correct... the ones who need therapists are those who run their lives in accordance with ancient fairy tales.

      December 24, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      And you think a therapist can solve his problems for $150 to $200 per hour, now that is funny, but only in a dark sort of way.

      December 24, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
  53. edwinaquiroz

    Knowledge is the only instrument of production that is not subject to diminishing returns. An interesting research article called High Speed Universities is the solution to stop your job hunt. Search for it online.

    December 22, 2011 at 6:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Laney1025

      And just how do you propose this to help someone's job hunt who is already educated in multiple fields but over 50? Really? Wonder if the dozens of people I already know personally who are carrying $50, $60, $70k in student loans yet can't find a job know about this? Wonder if the handful of people who paid double the price to attend the online UOP carrying $100k in student loans but cannot find a job know about this? It's just not that simple to resolve. The jobs are just not there.

      December 22, 2011 at 7:19 am | Report abuse |
      • BeverlyNC

        I agree, We have a whole generation of college-educated loyal talented workers who are being ignored and shoved aside,

        December 24, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott W

      @edwinaquiroz; you need to quit smoking that medicinal marijuana and get to work. Your post is absolutely mind-boggling ignorant and shows a lack of critical thinking.

      December 22, 2011 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
    • electricgrendel

      Bachelor and master degrees in all but a diminishing number of fields are useless. If you're going to try and get by in life these days put away the books and go to a technical school or community college to pick up an honest to God trade. Yeah- you have to work with your hands, but at least you can freaking work.

      December 24, 2011 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Gary

        My neighbor is a trained, certified, experienced sheet metal worker. He has been out of work for several years now. It seems union busters hire crews of illegal workers who work fast, sloppy, cheap, and outside the code and move on. Builders love them because they boost the bottom line. Nobody is accountable because nobody knows how to contact them two days later; they were subs, independent contractors, no names, no records. Good luck.

        December 24, 2011 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Blackened

    I always find it interesting on websites like this that Atheists come out of the woodwork due to the ability to be anonymous and not face the "consequence of being a non believer" their religious peers so ruthlessly force upon them. Aside from the fact it is refreshing it reflects a microcosm of what is taking place in the world today where people are realizing that just because someone tried putting something in their head since birth, it does not make it so.

    December 21, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott W

      @Blackened; I agree. I read an article last week and it said that given the choice between aethists and believers, most would trust a believer. Aethiests were considered not only untrustworthly but not even capable of making rational decisions. As one can read in the posts here, I think that article is spot-on.

      December 22, 2011 at 9:03 am | Report abuse |
  55. markishere

    Pension? What's that? 😉

    December 21, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Crocker

      It's a monthly stipend given to those who have worked a number of years in a certain career that allows for a monthly payout after the person retires. Hope this helps.

      December 21, 2011 at 10:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • electricgrendel

        Actually- it's a return of deferred compensation that an employee receives after a certain number of years of paying into the fund. It's also those obligations that corporations hate because they failed to fund their own obligations and now shriek as if the world is ending because they are expected to live up to agreements made with the proles long ago.

        December 24, 2011 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
  56. Minh Tran

    This job lost has nothing to do with God because God would love to see people happy with a better life otherwise it is not fair at all. The job lost caused by people moved jobs to China and people in the government is OK with that as well as people who want cheap and crapy products from China is ok with that too. Until people move jobs back to US, we have no good economic situations here for almost everyone.

    December 21, 2011 at 6:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fig1024

      Many of those jobs "could" be moved to US "if" the investors and shareholders were willing to make less profit – which they won't, of course. When big business decisions are made, the first question is – how can we make more money for our investors? It doesn't matter how, as long as its legal, it will be done. At no point there is any consideration for "our country," there is no concept of "our country." Business is global, who lives where is not important.

      So the business people really don't understand why you'd want to move jobs to US if the numbers clearly show there's more money to be made in China

      December 21, 2011 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • DoNotWorry

        If the investors and shareholders... that is executive propaganda. As a shareholder in about 40 corporations, I assure you that not one executive asked me about sending manufacturing overseas. I would vote against it because I think it is ridiculously risky... do you think China will not nationalize corporate investments? They are already using U.S. intellectual property to make copies of products to sell cheaper. I would vote against massive executive pay raises for nonperformance and fraudulent behavior.

        December 22, 2011 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
    • CanOnTo

      Hearing an adult believing in fairy tales is so sad. So, if you lose your limbs in a horrible accident, you should be OK with that just because God planned it? I'd be more like "FU God!" Religious folks think there is no sense in life without God. To me the opposite is true. If God has already planned everything, then whatever I do, whatever effort I make is meaningless – everything has been predetermined already. Furthermore, if God planned whatever happens to you and whatever you do, then why does he send you to Hell when all you did is just executing his plan? God planned for a child to be raped or for Jews to be killed by Nazis, so why would a rapist or Nazis go to hell when all they did is essentially execute God's plans? The premise that God has a plan for everybody is contrary to another popular religious premise – free will. You can't have it both at the same time. I could go on and on. Wake up, there is no god!

      December 21, 2011 at 8:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Laney1025

        Anyone so certain of themselves and their station in life cannot possibly understand faith. I only wish is were as cut and dry as you put it, but it's not. I'll keep my faith thank you. And would appreciate you respecting my right to keep my faith. You have your opinion and you have spoken it. Wake up! You don't know everything!

        December 21, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thomas

        you are smart. If God exists, he will love you the most.

        December 21, 2011 at 11:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • DoNotWorry

      You have no idea what might be important to God. God, by definition, is not human.

      December 22, 2011 at 12:28 am | Report abuse |
  57. GeorgeGray

    Say "no" to low paying jobs. This hurts an ungrateful "employer" and an unresponsive gov't.

    December 21, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • DoNotWorry

      Just say no? That is a thing of the past, when people were not quite so addicted to paychecks. It pretty much takes a mortgage free existence to say no. Savings. This country gave up their freedom for a weekly paycheck "security" that didn't exist... even though corporations were selling it that way. It will take another generation to reclaim their freedom, this one lost it long ago.

      December 22, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
  58. JohnQ

    Insurance companies. They take in lots of people's money to pay for a lot fewer claims. What would happen if the claim payouts aproached the premiums intake? Are they the next big bust?

    December 21, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • a slozomby

      in that case the government bails them out as always happens when a major catastophe occurs.

      December 21, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Jason Glugla

    It is nice to think of new low wage jobs which have some sort of meaning that builds human spirit. The fact is that the vast majority of these new low wage jobs in America serve only to further build the wealth of the super-wealthy. Working for the Walton family, helping to sell their products made by slave labor overseas just digs this country's grave a little deeper. Maybe they can write an article about how working at Wal Mart where the employees can't afford the insurance will make them stronger when they get ill. I guess the problem is that we just haven't given the Walton family enough tax breaks.

    December 21, 2011 at 5:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • JJohn

      My wife worked at a Walmart two years ago. The break room has flyers for health and human services so you can get rental assistance and food stamps. She worked overnight stocking shelves and "full time" was 32 hours a week which was cut to 24 right before she quit. The workload the managers expect even one person to accomplish is absurd and the folder detailing Walmart's benefits package is a slap in the face. It was literally a joke to her and her co-workers not one of them was willing/able to spend half a month's pay for their terrible insurance.

      December 21, 2011 at 6:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • DoNotWorry

      Seven WalMart heirs are worth more than about 1/3 of the citizens of the United States... and they pay the worst wages. Those 1 million underpaid employees support those seven people's vast wealth. I will never shop WalMart again... haven't for several years. They also pushed their suppliers to outsource their manufacturing to China. WalMart is a blight on the United States... they even pay Europeans better than Americans, and they never threaten to "leave" Europe.

      December 22, 2011 at 12:32 am | Report abuse |
  60. Enrico

    Life looks pretty miserable in America. Pretty sad.

    December 21, 2011 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • DeeNYC

      anyone name Enrico shouldn't talk, those hispanic nations are complete holes.

      December 21, 2011 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • GeorgeGray

      I agree my friend. A New Dark Age, since 1981, when Ronald Reagan fired the air traffic controllers, and we as employees began to live in fear.

      December 21, 2011 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
  61. Marilyn

    Poor guy will probably draw his last breath still waiting for "the plan" to come to fruition. Lucky for him there is nothing waiting after the end so he won't know he's disappointed.

    December 21, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Damaris

      Sounds like he is happy about where he is in life....and by your comment it seems you may just be very miserable.

      December 21, 2011 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • DoNotWorry

      If it makes him happy, leave him alone. He is not hurting you in any way.

      December 22, 2011 at 12:34 am | Report abuse |
      • SteveInMA

        Actually, he is hurting us by accepting the way he's been abused and not helping us all fight back.

        December 24, 2011 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Texas Coyote

    If anyone asks yet again, why the OCCUPIERS all over the United States are protesting. Here it is!
    “You control our world. You've poisoned the air we breathe, contaminated the water we drink, and copyrighted the food we eat. We fight in your wars, die for your causes, and sacrifice our freedoms to protect you. You've liquidated our savings, destroyed our middle class, and used our tax dollars to bailout your unending greed. We are slaves to your corporations, zombies to your airwaves, servants... to your decadence. You've stolen our elections, assassinated our leaders, and abolished our basic human rights as human beings. You own our property, shipped away our jobs, and shredded our unions. You've profited off of disaster, destabilized our currencies, and raised our cost of living(while lowering our wages). You've monopolized our freedom, stripped away our education, and have almost extinguished our flame. We are hit...we are bleeding... but we ain't got time to bleed. We will bring the giants to their knees and you will witness our revolution! WAKE UP AMERICA! SUPPORT OCCUPY!

    December 21, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • DeeNYC

      you mean not work and sit in a park all day. yea no thanks i'll keep my job and take care of my family.

      December 21, 2011 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lol

        Be thankful you have a job. Ever stop to think that while they are waiting on that interview, they are protesting? We do have these things called mobile phones. Welcome to 2011...

        December 21, 2011 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Catherine

        I have a job AND I occupied. WHAT??!! What is this?! Unbelievable that people can do more than one thing with their days.

        December 21, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • DoNotWorry

        We have a solid income and occupied. This country is overrun with corporate fraud and corruption. It hurts all citizens.

        December 22, 2011 at 12:35 am | Report abuse |
  63. MD

    I must say I am really shocked he worked for a large insurance brokerage firm managing commerical accounts, and cannot find a job. I work for one as well, and as an industry insider – I can see there are a lot of jobs out there that he would be qualified for. Especially if he can bring in new business – there is always room for producers. Is he not looking outside of where he lives? A small independent broker or agency would hire him in a second. Companies like Allstate are bombarding insurance people to start their own agencies as a worst case scenario.

    December 21, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • JEM

      Its amazing how easy it is to find oneself with too many qualifications to find a job. In order for me to find a job, I had to delete my MBA three A.A.S. degrees. With all my degrees, my market price was far more than anyone wanted to pay.

      December 21, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan

        "Overqualified" means only one thing: too old.
        Look at his age. I am 60 and hear at least 3 times a week that I am "overqualified". And hiring managers refuse to allow me to work for them in a job that, if I were overqualified in the true sense of the word, would be a skate.

        December 21, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • DeeNYC

        So obviously it wasn't your degrees it was your asking price.

        December 21, 2011 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • lroy

        You can also be under qualified which is where I am. I still know the alphabet so I can file, two plus two is still four so I can do a little bit accounting, I know how to type. My problem is most administrative assistants require a Bachelors and I don't have the money or the time to try for it. All I ask is a very simple basic office support position just to get my foot in the door.

        December 21, 2011 at 5:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • DoNotWorry

        It isn't overqualified or underqualified. It is the fact that 50 million people are either out of work or underemployed. Period. Whatever story you get from HR is just whatever they think might stick to you. They pick ONE. Everyone else is somehow "wrong."

        December 22, 2011 at 12:37 am | Report abuse |
      • Scott W

        @Dan; being over 50 is not the end-all it was ten years ago. That is an excuse. Everyone is looking for work whether you're 20, 30, 40 or older. Corporations like younger folk because they're cheap. The problem with older folks is that they've become used to living a large lifestyle and it's become the norm since the 50s to increase wages and retire. This concept is fairly new and now we're seeing that life just isn't this way. It was never meant to be. There is no "right" to retirement. That's babyboomer/hippie thinking and we can plainly see that that group got us nowhere fast!

        December 22, 2011 at 9:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Chemist

      The key is the ability to relocate. Most of us can't since we are stuck in a home we can't sell and have a spouse who (sometimes) still has a job. In my family's case, my husband got laid of 18 months ago at the age of 57 and I still have my job (which makes slightly more than his did). Our mortgage isn't underwater, but there are four foreclosures and several more vacant properties on our block.

      So by your idea, we should up and move somewhere he can get a job (probably at lower pay), leaving my better paying job behind and killing our credit rating when our house gets foreclosed. Oh yeah, and come up with moving and home set up expenses elsewhere for us and our three kids.

      I am just stunned by people who say "go move to find a job", like that hasn't occurred to us.

      December 21, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan

        No, they just think that since we are too stupid to hold down a job we are also too stupid to think of the obvious. Even if DOING the obvious is not workable.

        December 21, 2011 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • lroy

        WHY would I relocate and move to a house or apartment when I have a house that is paid in full with no mortgage? And as long as I have the money to pay for the house tax, I'm not going anywhere after almost 50 years.

        December 21, 2011 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • DoNotWorry

        I "might" be able to relocate to a major metropolitan area that doesn't pay enough for me to survive. I have a place in the country... will be paid in a couple years. I am better off being a cashier or something than moving to San Francisco, LA, New York for my field. I refuse to consider those locations, they are worse than a local minimum wage job... at least I have family support and a home. Many people should consider a move to small communities where a home is 30k not 300k. Realistically... megacorporations have already abandoned us. No reason to maintain fealty to them.

        December 22, 2011 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Scott W

      @MD; good point. Many folks are not willing to move and that cuts down on potential jobs and earnings.

      December 22, 2011 at 9:07 am | Report abuse |
  64. larry5

    People like me that take a lower paying job when they loose their career in an effort to stay off welfare are messing up the unemployment numbers. If you count underemployed people the percentage would possibly double. I'm working three jobs and my wife is working two jobs. One of my jobs is driving a cab at night so we see each other about an hour a day or less. I'm not counted as unemployed and I'm struggling to make ends meet. We're selling off or giving away almost everything we own. We are being denyed a loan modification because our income is not steady enough and our neighbor who is an illegal is getting his loan modified, lower interest rate and a big reduction in principal. On the other side of the street a family of illegals moved into a forclosed home and are refusing to move out. A Mexican support organization is supplying them with free legal assistance and getting them through the welfare system. Their 8 children go to the local schools. They've been in that house for almost 2 years and there is no sign that they are moving out. Bank of America now owns the home and the parents have a BofA credit card. I'm wondering if life is a zoo and us working people are on the inside.

    December 21, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Silent7

      Larry5
      There is a great non-profit that can help you with your modification. NACA. Visit their website http://www.naca.com. They can help you even if your income is inconsistent. Stay encouraged, focus on your family and getting thru this time in your life. It does get better! I've lost a job, home, business and marriage.....during that time I focused on what I could do and didn't worry about others or their situations and what was happening down the street or around the corner. Life will get better.

      December 21, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • lroy

        You are like Silent Night. All of us who can't find a job should read this.

        December 21, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
  65. James

    There may be a bright side to the lower paying jobs. Since most people won't buy the things that they normally would if they were working, maybe the corporations will realize that they will have to bring down the prices of their wares to meet the buying capabilities of their customers. The customers will buy things at prices that the market will bear. Also, maybe it will be environmentally beneficial if the prices cause only things that are actually needed to live a comfortable life to be sold rather than just anything to be produced, hoping that there will be potential customers who will buy them.

    December 21, 2011 at 12:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • James70094

      On the other hand, people will buy less and companiezs will delay hiring until sales increase.

      December 21, 2011 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Manny

      It is easy to lay blame when one is powerless to control one's own destiny, which is the case for the majority, self included. It was the system that defined going to college, getting a good education, working hard will give you just rewards. This was obviously true and worked for everyone for many decades. We cannot all be entrepreneurs and business owners, if we were there would be 50 times more similiar businesses around. If we had 50 times more McDonalds where are we can find all the customers to sustain the extra 49 businesses. History shows us an unfair society monopolized by a few will not last forever, all the the world powers that have come and gone. Just look at Greece, once a conquerer of the world now a pauper, same with the Roman empire, the British, now it is the US. We have had it good for so long, it was inevitable the inequity with other nations would catch up. The writing is on the wall for the bankers and the wall street puppet masters.

      December 21, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      James, you know that what you suggest flies in the face of the new American business model, don't you?
      I have noticed that over the past few years businesses have adopted the "Deliver less, if anything at all, and charge more for it!" mantra.
      Packaged goods have been delivered in smaller and smaller portions while prices continue to go up.
      In some cases, where there is a contractual or legally mandated arrangement, e.g. governmental services, nothing is delivered yet you compelled to continue to pay.
      Businesses justify this by saying that, since business is dropping off, they owe it to their owners/shareholders to charge their dwindling customer base more in order to keep profits up. Executives don't care about the eventuality of no more customers at all since they plan to have collected their multi-million dollar bonuses and left by the time that happens.

      December 21, 2011 at 5:11 pm | Report abuse |
  66. p zombie

    The animosity is misguided I was wrong and will probably be walking that path of homelessness soon enough.

    It comes from those of you who previously ruthlessly abused me.

    Could you imagine how much influence my kind would have if they all had the tools to get the story right? World peace? Possibly.

    December 21, 2011 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • Laney1025

      Thank you. I think you pegged me for another poster and I just didn't understand why.

      December 21, 2011 at 11:22 am | Report abuse |
  67. p zombie

    Long winded-ness is just that. Do something. Stand up to it. Actions speak louder than words. Words mean nothing the conscious mass has taught us that. I chose to act and had everything stolen from me. That's ok I will steal it back from them heh. You need to act with your skills I see you have them.

    December 21, 2011 at 11:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Laney1025

      No...it's called C.O.M.M.U.N.I.C.A.T.I.O.N. It's connecting with people whom you can share what has happened to you so that, hopefully, we will all realize just how deep this goes. If we all live in our own bubble without any regard to what is happening in our country to fellow countrymen and women, our next view will be from the bottom of the landfill looking up at the bulldozer that buried us. Unfortunately, when you post on here, you have to subject what you say to all the kiddies out to p*** in the pool.

      December 21, 2011 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
  68. al

    So the grand lesson here is God has a healthy mean streak. If you lose your job, your house, and you end up on the street with your wife and kids..well, that's just God working his majestic plans for you. Cancer? Same thing. I guess you didn't pray hard enough...after all, Joel Osteen and his ilk have gotten theirs. God didn't forsaken them...only you. Be happy and submit to your invisible master, for he may bless you or he may curse you.

    December 21, 2011 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Not Again

      Not you guy's again. I tell ya what. For being a minority, you guy's can be a pain in the a$$ to stay away from sometimes.

      December 21, 2011 at 10:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Lou in GA

      Seems like you have a healthy "mean streak" of your own

      December 21, 2011 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
  69. p zombie

    Laney sure has a lot of comments lol. Conscious trash trying to paint a picture justifying the theft of everything from good hardworking people. Remember that anyone can be who they want behind a pc screen. I'm willing to bet that person is sitting in their nice house right now not worrying about money at all, because they stole it from you dumb people. Stop listening to their lies. The devil.

    December 21, 2011 at 10:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Laney1025

      Sorry to disappoint you but you could not be farther from wrong. I think you are answering to the wrong posts. Go back and read again what I have posted. And, yes, I have a lot to say on this topic...or am I limited somehow? I worked hard all my life and asked for help from no one. I worked in the tech field which should have been safer than most industries. Just goes to show you are not safe no matter who you are. Can't figure out why you're so down on what I am saying. I am in the same boat the gent in the story is except for the fact that he managed to find a job. I didn't. So why don't you try going from $162k a year to $32k a year. Then compound that with all the health issues that came from worrying myself to death trying to talk someone into hiring me that failed miserably. Try being 52 years old and trying to find anyone who will hire you after looking at the only job history you can give them. Try losing every single thing you worked for your entire life to have to live homeless for 10 months without healthcare and basic necessities. Try walking in my shoes instead of criticizing them! All I have ever wanted is the same chance to earn my own way as I had before. So why all the animosity toward me? I don't get it.

      December 21, 2011 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
      • DoNotWorry

        Laney, my guess is that zombie is very fearful of the same happening to him. His only psychological defense against you (and me) is to somehow separate himself so that there is a "reason" he is employed, and will stay employed. You have to be "wrong" in some way or he has no psychological barrier against the fear of losing his own job. I may not have said this well, but good luck to you. Just remember that fear makes people mean.

        December 22, 2011 at 12:49 am | Report abuse |
      • Laney1025

        He later apologized for mis-reading my posts. And yes, this whole article has become a very passionate discussion for me as I fear too many still believe what's happening in the country to be propaganda. It's not propaganda people...and it's not over.

        December 22, 2011 at 1:24 am | Report abuse |
  70. Bummer

    In a couple of years, I'm going to find myself in this gentlemens shoes. Due to a company merger, my position will be eliminated.....along with about 30,000 other positions, most here in the U.S. Lol....to add insult to injury, the company I work for netted over 9 billion in the 3rd. quarter.

    This has really made me do some soul searching. I thought I was the "corp" type, but after seeing the way major corporations mindlessly ruin the lives of those who work so hard for them, all in the name of the bottom line and stock holders, I can now honestly say the "corp" world is not for me. I have a work ethic to be proud of. I don't work hard for my company, I work hard for me. With that being said, why in the hell should a company benefit more than me for my hard work and dedication?

    The way I see it, our country and it's woes have changed the game. It's not like it use to be. Work hard for a company, stay dedicated and retire is a thing of the past for most. You just can't count on anything but yourself now of day's. I use to be a business owner and it had it's pro's and con's. Nothing big, mind you, but it payed the bills. But even not knowing what my income would be from one week to the next, I was still happier than working for someone else.

    Personally, I don't have a love of money.....I have a love for happiness, so this has given me a new goal. Fate willing, I will not work for someone else and make them richer as I have done for many years.....I will work for myself. And if it comes down to me selling my home to live in something more modest, so be it. I would rather do that then do something that rubs against my grain. I don't have a problem with being humble. Nice house, nice car, all that be damned. I want my true happiness back.

    I wish each and every one of you luck in these trying times. Peace. 🙂

    December 21, 2011 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Laney1025

      I really feel for you. I hope you find something that works for you. Wishing you all the best.

      December 21, 2011 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
    • DoNotWorry

      I agree with you. I hope you pull some equity out of your home when you sell it. I also have an alternate plan, and so does my son. Time for Americans to go "alternate" and kick megacorporations out... no tax breaks for global megas... no corporate welfare, either. Time for our tax dollars to support citizens, not corporate persons.

      December 22, 2011 at 12:53 am | Report abuse |
  71. p zombie

    Wow. I am so glad so many of you are waking up. Please continue to protest the lies.

    Something to think about-this is the same conscious group that set up nazi Germany in order to have only their race exist......but look what happened and how hard they fell. Know history repeats itself. They can't win that certain. The only issue is handling the collapse when everyone wakes up and they just slip anonymously back into whatever society comes next....or what's left of it.

    Locate these people now. You have the tools.

    December 21, 2011 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
  72. Old Dude

    Reply to We saw it coming,Very well said,You are absolutly correct.Ross Porot predicted this exact outcome when he said that ,the giant sucking sign we would hear would be all the jobs crossing the Rio Grande to go to Mexico.And yet we still have middle class and possibly poor people criticizing the occupywallstreet movement.PT Barnum was right,there's a sucker born every minute,and they all vote republican.

    December 21, 2011 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Laney1025

      I feel the need to correct you...they vote for "business as usual". Our party system is failing miserably but the die hards think that this is the ONLY way! Time to think outside the box people to save our way of life and get back to something we can work with. America was founded by people taking risks and fighting for a better life. Those founders were people like us! Not like the current politicians or corporate heads. US! WE, the average American, needs to pick up the reigns and run with them and stop being so critical of the OCCUPY movement which consists of people doing what we all need to be doing...fighting for the ability to live and prosper! And if you're one of the few who criticizes because you have not been affected, keep dreaming. It's not over yet. You could be next to lose your American dream!

      December 21, 2011 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
      • mokk1

        Is voting for Ron Paul thinking tooooo far out of the box? or is your box limited to Obama Mitt or Newt?
        I do agree that we need a radical in there to shake things up a bit.

        December 21, 2011 at 10:37 am | Report abuse |
      • Laney1025

        mokk1...I have yet to see anyone viable. How's that for an answer?

        December 21, 2011 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
  73. Mehta

    will he blame obama or bush for his drop in income?

    December 21, 2011 at 10:03 am | Report abuse |
  74. Lu

    James 5 (in the King James version Bible) says it all. The coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is coming quickly believe it or not. It will be fullfill. More then many have put thier trust in men but ALL have failed, time will become worse than the Great Recession. We(the world) is only going through labor pains.

    December 21, 2011 at 8:43 am | Report abuse |
    • al

      Well, it's been a couple thousand years...obviously, we each interpret "quickly" differently.

      December 21, 2011 at 10:45 am | Report abuse |
    • lroy

      Read the same in a Catholic bible, Lu. Merry merry.

      December 21, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Walter

    People are doing the best they can in the situation they are in. Things are not going to get better for this economy for years. People will start taking any minimum wage job they can find as employment benefits end. People will move in with friends and relatives if they can't afford their own house or apartment. Finally, people will realize this is the new normal and they will be grateful for what little they have since even that can be gone in a heartbeat.

    December 21, 2011 at 8:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Laney1025

      You are soooo right!

      December 21, 2011 at 9:14 am | Report abuse |
    • DoNotWorry

      Perhaps. Then perhaps Americans will stop giving corporations their tax dollars to outsource jobs to China. Perhaps Americans will notice that corporations are a legal fiction and that fiction can be changed at will and on the state level. Perhaps Americans will notice that corporations are not deserving of welfare checks. Your scenario might be how it will be... or some other scenario.

      December 22, 2011 at 12:56 am | Report abuse |
  76. Texas Coyote

    If anyone asks yet again, why the OCCUPIERS all over the United States are protesting. Listen up!
    “You control our world. You've poisoned the air we breathe, contaminated the water we drink, and copyrighted the food we eat. We fight in your wars, die for your causes, and sacrifice our freedoms to protect you. You've liquidated our savings, destroyed our middle class, and used our tax dollars to bailout your unending greed. We are slaves to your corporations, zombies to your airwaves, servants... to your decadence. You've stolen our elections, assassinated our leaders, and abolished our basic human rights as human beings. You own our property, shipped away our jobs, and shredded our unions. You've profited off of disaster, destabilized our currencies, and raised our cost of living(while lowering our wages). You've monopolized our freedom, stripped away our education, and have almost extinguished our flame. We are hit...we are bleeding... but we ain't got time to bleed. We will bring the giants to their knees and you will witness our revolution! WAKE UP AMERICA! SUPPORT OCCUPY!

    December 21, 2011 at 7:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Dobie

      Sorry, no. That whole "everything bad is someone else's fault" mentality means that nothing is *your* fault, so *you* don't have to change anything in order for things to get better. I get that there is a lot of frustration out there. I don't know anyone, including me, that thinks that government is doing a good job right now. And the Occupy movement did a good job at bringing attention to issues that weren't getting the attention they deserved. But it stopped there. It pointed out a lot of things that are wrong – but in a very disorganized manner. And it didn't provide solutions. For example – the people that are crying out against the lack of jobs are buying items made in China.

      December 21, 2011 at 8:32 am | Report abuse |
    • Lu

      I can't help but to reply to Texas Coyote thoughts: I highly agree to your comment but this is a prophecy that is being fullfill as the time on earth is ending. Look at James chapter 5. Many will not believe this will occupy ALL street is fullfilling what the Word of the Lord had in

      December 21, 2011 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
    • patty

      Applause Applause..
      How sobering this new world order is.

      December 21, 2011 at 9:54 am | Report abuse |
  77. texasgoat

    Carl's spirit is what has made and continue to make this the greatest nation in history!

    December 21, 2011 at 7:45 am | Report abuse |
  78. John S.

    The article started out okay, but turned into just another racist rant by CNN.

    December 21, 2011 at 7:43 am | Report abuse |
    • DoNotWorry

      I read the entire article and did not see a racist rant. I suggest you read what the article says instead of what you put into the article from your own viewpoint.

      December 22, 2011 at 12:58 am | Report abuse |
  79. We Saw it Coming

    I am amazed how surprised we all are at the third world state we have become. 10 years ago with Bill Clinton was high on NAFTA and Global trade. We could have projected that we would arrive at the state we are in; jobs and companies going overseas, massive green card influx of foreign workers, breaking of the unions. Why are we so surprised that over the last 10 years we have lost our “manufacturing base”. Why are we surprised that massive trade imbalances have driven up our debt. Why are we surprised that we can pay Trillion plus dollars for two unnecessary foreign wars, but we can’t use that money on our own infrastructure.

    Our political leadership has bowed to special interest and we are to blame for not holding them to account. All that is\ will be left is low paying jobs (or no jobs) except for those in power.

    December 21, 2011 at 7:35 am | Report abuse |
  80. inga

    I hope he and his wife make it through their tough financial times. In the end, it would be much better to have a lower-paying job that gives you a sense of purpose and fulfillment.

    December 21, 2011 at 7:24 am | Report abuse |
    • BearMauler

      Well said Inga!

      December 21, 2011 at 9:34 am | Report abuse |
  81. beth

    if he has a pension to draw from hes doing better that most. and im curious to know what 'two-thirds less' means exactly? id be willing to bet its more that the average household income. where does his wife work? oh, thats right- she doesnt. sounds like the life of luxury to me. my husband has to work in a different state. and i work fulltime. if we lose our jobs we will draw from our checking accoun. that $30 wont last long.

    December 21, 2011 at 6:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Laney1025

      Don't you think you read a little too much between the lines? I saw none of that in this article. I can tell you, however, that if you have maintained a certain income level for many years and you lose just half of it, it hurts and it hurts a lot. It's not so much that you lived outside your means. You just lived and worked. Try doing what I had to do. I lost 100% of a six figure income simply because I had a high tech job...an educated job...a job that was in full force when it suddenly dried up as companies shelved their IT projects to tighten their belts. Then try being turned down repeatedly over and over and over again for lesser paying jobs. Any job...whatever it took to rescue as much of my life as I could. So I have the utmost regard for this man and his situation. He has the one thing against him that I, myself, had...he's over 50 from his appearance. We are the new social rejects...the over 50 crowd. Not allowed to work and survive but not allowed to retire. What do you do? At least he found something meaningful to him and he is making do. I wish it had worked out that way for me so I am very grateful that he managed to find a way to make it. He may have to give up much more of his former life before it's over. You never know. But at least he has meaning in his life. That's worth more than any dollar can make up for. It's time for people in this country to re-evaluate the greed factor. If you learn one thing from this economic crisis to help yourself, it should be this: no one guarantees you anything. What you have today can disappear tomorrow with a few bad decisions either by yourself, your employer, or your government. It can just simply go away without warning. I can personally attest to that. And no amount of crying, begging, pleading, or anything else will bring it back and you just simply have to figure out how to live. It's a good case for getting back to the grass roots we all came from where we loved, respected, and helped one another. Of course, this comment will probably turn into fodder for some meathead who is interested more in shock value than actually contributing something worth while. But that's okay. If just a few take this to heart, I'll be the scapegoat for a while.

      December 21, 2011 at 8:49 am | Report abuse |
      • DoNotWorry

        I am another over 50 reject... over qualified and not finding work. I have also opted to find more meaning in my life that is disconnected from corporate ideas. My son and I built a motherinlaw apartment on the first floor of his house. I leased my home and moved into the apartment. I have developed a deeper relationship with my family, pay rent, watch the grandkids so my daughterinlaw has more freedom. I added an awesome vegetable garden and built raised stone beds (free rocks from friend's property). It is working so well that even though I just interviewed for a good job in another state... my family would prefer I stay here, unemployed or not. I won't justify corporate behavior in these times, but I will say that who you are underneath it all will determine how you come out of these problems. And I do not mean you will have the highest paycheck. Those of us who do come out of this will be the ones who change this country and for the better.

        December 22, 2011 at 1:06 am | Report abuse |
      • Laney1025

        DoNotWorry, that's what I don't understand. So many want to hang on to that corporate, higher paycheck mentality not realizing just how bad it is across the board. And I totally agree with you...it's those of us who shed the greed factor that will survive this and make things better. My husband and I made the massive adjustment. Granted we live in a rental, but we are back on our own and doing for ourselves, at least in providing necessities. And life has become simple again. Granted, I wish I hadn't lost my home through all of this but it's just a material possession. It has no meaning when I think of all the people in the world hurting. So, yes, I think you are dead on. And stay with your family. There is nothing on this planet more important than your family.

        December 22, 2011 at 1:17 am | Report abuse |
      • Ms Angie

        Here Here Laney1025 so true. I know that God will strip you of everything just because he can, to see if you will stand and praise him. I am 1 year 1/2 into being unemployed. Homeless bouncing from home to home. Resumes and applications all over the place and last but not least in a training program for a different field at 50. I resigned from a job after 25 years of working and relocated to another state. Never had a problem getting a job. I know sometimes we have to be taken out of our comfort zone. We are uneasy when that happens. We ask God Why me Lord, he simply replies Why not you. If you are a beliver you understand what I am saying. God truly has a sense of humor and he blesses accordingly. This is a hard plite to walk but I know I have to live this into existance. I am reading everyones responces and I see all sorts of feelings and emotions. For his own reasons God strips us down to nothing to see what we are made of. I know that putting forth the effort and not giving up "Hope" Carl was blessed with a job and he was glad to have it. I am so there, It doesn't matter, It has never taken me this long to find a job. This economy sucks. LOL but you just got to make the most of it and I know there is something out there for me as well. All I can say is Go Carl.

        January 5, 2012 at 10:36 am | Report abuse |
  82. Old Dude

    I would like one of you believers explane to me why,when there is a terrible tragedy that occures,the believers will say that god does not intefere,but when one individual happens to survive the tragedy,they will say it's a miracle.What a joke.

    December 21, 2011 at 5:33 am | Report abuse |
  83. Truth

    Liars. These stories and their arrogance try to soften you into poverty. Reject them.

    December 21, 2011 at 4:57 am | Report abuse |
  84. Reason

    Ok, first of all, there is nothing wrong with either political party, the true idiot is the one who blindly follows what ever his party tells him, I'm mainly conservative, but don't agree with it so much as to always follow it, same should stand for liberal thinkers, second, this decade is the result of any one of you who bought that house or car you couldn't afford, rich, poor, it doesn't matter, and idc what class I drop to, I'm there because of what i did, and if your a drop out or just a high school grad, and your in a bad position now, should have taken a loan and went to collage. And if your upperclass now, you worked hard to get there, and deserve what comes to you, I am not talking about people who won money or inherited it. Now, many will still dissagree, there are those who did all they could and are in a bad spot, I am sorry you got cheated out of your futures.

    December 21, 2011 at 4:31 am | Report abuse |
  85. Allen

    before he was an insurance brokerage accountant, I can say accountant is a really overfill career. It very easy to be an accountant and i know most student are aiming to be one and without any new business recently to the recession. So, no surmise.
    I will be surprise if it were computer science, doctor, engineer. or any career that pay highly.

    December 21, 2011 at 3:56 am | Report abuse |
  86. eli

    it must being a good feeling believing in all powerful God that has a plan just for you. It means anything that happens good or bad has nothing to do with your own actions, it's nothing but God's grand plan. Which is what agian? You mean you don't know what it is. How can you know a plan is working if you don't know what the plan is?

    December 21, 2011 at 3:50 am | Report abuse |
  87. wildflower

    Why oh WHY does CNN keep putting these type of stories on their blogs??? Don't you guys know how incapable most whites are when it comes to engaging in intelligible conversation regarding any race of people other than their own???

    December 21, 2011 at 3:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Tbone

      Wow you're a moron.

      December 21, 2011 at 4:17 am | Report abuse |
    • mokk1

      I agree, you are a moron...middle managers are the first to go, read the story.

      December 21, 2011 at 10:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Elaine Connelly

      You really are an idiot. You're the racist on this post. Go back to drinking Obama's Kool-aid.

      December 21, 2011 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
  88. GeorgeGray

    If the pay is low, the answer's no.

    December 20, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse |
  89. paul

    This might matter but I'm hindu not christian.

    December 20, 2011 at 11:51 pm | Report abuse |
  90. lobo

    Wonder if the guy will vote Republican again, IDIOT!

    December 20, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • JimiJoni

      Last time I checked there was a Democrat in office? Succeeding in bankrupting this nation to make us all more dependent on government welfare.

      December 21, 2011 at 2:46 am | Report abuse |
      • BSM

        From George Clooney:
        "I'm disillusioned by the people who are disillusioned by Obama....If he was a Republican running, because Republicans are better at this, they’d be selling him as the guy who stopped 400,000 jobs a month from leaving the country. They’d be selling him as the guy who saved the auto-industry. If they had the beliefs, they’d be selling him as the guy who got rid of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,’ who got Osama bin Laden. You could be selling this as a very successful three years.”

        JimiJoni – no doubt you'll find whatever proof you need to support views you already have, rather than looking at the facts.

        December 21, 2011 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
  91. tamara reina

    Well kiss that new job that is not middle class but hey I will have one

    December 20, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
  92. tray117

    Then again, you're probably much happier and less bitter than I. I truly wish I believed.

    December 20, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kay

      Believe what? That you can find true happiness within yourself? That you don't know what the future will hold, so you focus on being a good, loving person and making the absolute best of your situation...whatever that situation is? That you can't change the past, so you let it go? That you don't waste time on coulda-woulda-shoulda? That it's pointless to waste time on guilt or on worrying about what you think other people think? That the only person you have any genuine control over is you, so the only person you can change is yourself? Since these things are all true...and can make your life a rich and fulfilling one...why on earth wouldn't you believe in them???

      December 20, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tbone

        You really need to check out what a question mark is for. Do not use it when making a statement. Use it when you are asking a question.

        December 21, 2011 at 4:22 am | Report abuse |
      • steven

        Tbone! you are and ass of the lowest order....folks are not here to show how they can spell butr rather to reply to the artical or respond to a reply""

        December 21, 2011 at 7:39 am | Report abuse |
  93. tray117

    Sorry, dude, but politicians LOVE your kind. You're putting your life in a god's hands and saying you are thankful for his/her/its mercy. You should be peeved at the elitist/snob/politicos/%1 who forced you into this position. I am!

    December 20, 2011 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marx had it right

      Say it and say it again tray 117 eventually they will listen. Doing what what he's doing is only putting his head in the sand to the fact that they let him go not because of "restructuring" but becasue of his age and instead of fighting for his rights he believes that some god willed this. Thus pacifying his own moral outrage. And the hypocrisy of it also in the fact, using the man's own belief system, that his own Jesus would have bee outraged in the immorality of it. Even his Jesus threw the wealthy money changers out of the temple. So yes religion is the opiate of the masses. When one studies this Jesus of Nazareth in the 4 books its clear that he was a Socialist and advocated action against economic immorality but the Right Wing Christians who line up behind the 1 % because they fear of loosing something that the elitist could care less about manipulate this for there own economic agenda only proves Marx is correct. As the saying goes; if you're not angry your not paying attention!

      December 21, 2011 at 2:13 am | Report abuse |
      • bnakka

        No one guarantees a job. If your age will make you dispensable then try to position yourself with job security. Will you guarantee anyone that you will forever support? A company is out there to benefit someone you as an employee is there to get compensated for working there. The companies don't guarantee they will keep you around so you can live the american dream.

        I am tried of all these people who think someone will help them fulfill their dreams. If you are any age they can let you go and without reason as long as you are replacable. Keep up with the industry and make yourself job secure.

        December 21, 2011 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
  94. WHO CARES

    Look I am a republican and who cares about the non wealthy. They are worthless vessels that are not needed. We offshore jobs to push the middle into lower class and then to the curb. If you not a wealthy you a looser.
    Support the wealthly and vote republican!

    December 20, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • dk

      it's not looser, it's loser

      December 21, 2011 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Ezo

      Spoken like one of satan's little helpers. Send us a postcard when you get to hell!

      December 21, 2011 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Tbone

      Maybe you could use some of your wealth to learn how to spell. You also need some help with your grammar.

      December 21, 2011 at 4:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Kat

      I smell a troll

      December 21, 2011 at 8:20 am | Report abuse |
      • Laney1025

        Troll...good description!

        December 21, 2011 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Laney1025

      Uh oh! Daddy left his computer accessible again and the kiddies are out to play!

      December 21, 2011 at 9:40 am | Report abuse |
  95. Tony

    What is really sad is how so many people lost their jobs and their life savings because of a few extremely greedy people who don't care about this country, the brave men and women who defend it, or the hard working Americans who built it and keep it functioning. And those same greedy people are slapping those honest people, just mentioned, in the face every time they donate large sums of money to politicians or hire lobbyist to make it easier for them to rape them. Gee, we should all go out and thank a super rich greedy person for helping to make this country SUCK for the rest of us.

    December 20, 2011 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • jim

      Without a doubt we can can thank the brainless Bush for this sad state of affairs. As long as we keep outsourcing this is exactly what we can expect. Lucky to be retired but worry for my kids

      December 20, 2011 at 8:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • togirl

      I still think they should be prosecuted, and a more stringent financial system needs to be put in place. There is no confidence in the system because despite all this grief, no one has learned a thing. If you don't learn, you repeat the action.

      December 21, 2011 at 1:10 am | Report abuse |
  96. Russ

    It just kills me how these religious fanatics place their fate in God and yep, he's already planned that I'm going to get a job as kitchen worker. That's why he got me done laid off from my insurance job. Thank you Lord! He should have told you his plan so you wouldn't have wasted all that time applying to all those jobs you weren't going to get. Give a freakin' break! I guess he gave you the lower paying job so you couldn't donate as much at church on Sunday. Doesn't make any sense.

    December 20, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • paul

      Had to reply...
      what this means is being a insurance manager, or kitchen manager are only different phases in your life. All meaningless in God's eyes. What is meaningful is you live it with better thoughts as you age more.

      December 20, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ryan

      You know. I am a strong Christian. I am a college graduate and had a really good paying job with the state after I graduated. I was with that job for 5 years, making supervisor. I quit after 9 months as supervisor because my supervisor was a micromanager and was not giving me the support I neede in my rural office. My wife and I then became house parents at a childrens home. Yet, during that whole time something was pulling me back to coming back in to the military. When I worked for the state, like I said, I was making good money. When we became house parents, we took a dramatic drop in pay, yet we were doing Gods work in taking care of foster kids, at a Christian home. We quit becuase it was taking a toll on our own kids and now I am back in the military. But while I was in college I was fired from a job because I was doing a better job than my boss and her boss saw it and was going to promote me to a different position but she fired me before that. What did I do? I went out and found something else to tide me over. If God does not want you doing something, He will arrange for something else to come around. My wife and I have never had to worry about anything because we trust it to God. If this person lost his job as an insurance person and works in a kitchen, then that was what God had planned for him. But to Paul, you are correct, it is a different phase in his life, however, not meaningless in God's eyes. People need quit trying to live for themselves and help others, especially in this age when so many need help.

      December 20, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Rizzo

        This is all well and good , but does not put food on his table or pay the bills ... Gods calling or not

        December 20, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • paul

        by meaningless i meant it does not matter what you are, but how you arem wherever life takes you, is what is evaluated

        December 20, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kay

        As Paul said, it doesn't matter WHAT you are, but HOW you are. Since I agree with Paul, I suggest you might want to re-read your own post. There sure was a whole lot of patting yourself on the back and telling the rest of us how wonderful you are...and GOOD Christians have no room for hubris in their lives.

        December 20, 2011 at 11:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • paul

        I'm hindu and not christian. But i do believe the God is one, whom I still do not understand.

        December 20, 2011 at 11:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • xnay

        Don't have the foggiest idea what you are trying to say. Probably because you don't either

        December 21, 2011 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
      • Tbone

        Give it a rest with the Gods work b.s. Religion is the bane of humanity, you just need to accept it. Religion is the oldest way of controlling the masses.

        December 21, 2011 at 4:26 am | Report abuse |
      • Laney1025

        There is a huge difference in organized religion and faith. My own struggles with the question of religion was resolved when I accepted what I, myself, believe and I promised myself that I would allow others to observe their own brand of whatever without any conflict from me. It's call TOLERANCE and it comes from my FAITH...not religion. The difference between my faith and the beliefs of those who trample on anything "religious" is that I don't knock what I don't understand or believe in. One shouldn't criticize folks of faith if they wish to preserve their own right to not have faith. I can surely guarantee you that I would trust this man far sooner than I would trust some of the posters on here and it's because he is a man of faith and he walks the walk and talks the talk. Not too many people in this country can make the same claim. In fact, I would dare to say that there are more people walking around in this country who would slit your throat before they would help someone in a time of need. Now that's really the sad part. Not that this man puts his faith in God.

        December 21, 2011 at 9:32 am | Report abuse |
      • Laney1025

        Sorry Ryan, I meant my response to Russ.

        December 21, 2011 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
      • The Truth

        I agree with Tbone. The rest of the world should become a secluar democractic country like the US. That way they can invade two random country, implement a puppet government, and put up a veil of "democracy."

        Yes religion controls the masses. Just like how every politician can summon troops to invade far away places for "democracy." I,.e. vietnam, SK, soon to be Congo/iran.

        Give it up kid, it's not religion that controls the masses, it's people who controls the masses. Let me guess you're one of those people that blame guns for killing people and allow murderers to walk away scott free.

        Religion is a belief system. It comes in many forms. It has no power to command another to do its bidding, i.e. I can place a bible in the middle of the street; but it won't cause people to go genociding people.

        But that's hard for atheist to understand. Like how Charles Manson decided to order people to kill people and bring Helter Skelter after listening to the Beetles' White Alumb. You'll probably blame the Beetles and not the guy that went on the killing spree.

        December 21, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • tokencode

        Religion was invented by man as a means to control other men. Even Christianity at it's roots, christian mysticism, supported a direct 1 on 1 relationship with god. Humans twisted faith into religion by adding a hierarchy of other humans. If you believe that "god" is allpowerful, why would he need the assitance of the largest pedophile ring in human history, the catholic church, to spread his word? Why would he need help from any human? I respect people and their beliefs, but organized religion is the single biggest cause of suffering and death in human history. I reject the idea that any just god would force humans to choose a "prophet". If there is a "god" he's probably laughing at the stupid humans treating religion like a sporting event and choosing sides.

        December 21, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • mannycl

        Excellent commentary. God bless you and your family. Some of the comments in this place are rather disgusting and tasteless. Those comments just reflects what they are.

        December 24, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gabriel

      Hi Russ, This is exactly the problem with religious nutcases. You can't reason with them. The intellectual divide between us and the nutcases is the same as that between humans and chimpanzees.

      Religion is a powerful unregulated drug that is very deadly. Unless religion can be purged from all the earth, it will eventually destroy all mankind.

      December 21, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Laney1025

        Sorry, but I'll take my chances with an honest person of faith rather than someone so full of themselves that they think they are more intelligent because they have no faith. Just because a person has faith, does not make them a religious nutcase and I resent your allusion to such. There is a huge difference in religion and faith and it's the radical religions that should be feared, not faith itself. No reason to fear people living good, wholesome lives based in faith. Get your facts straight before you sing the praises of you...you very well could be wrong. As far as I can see, the chimpanzee is you.

        December 22, 2011 at 12:51 am | Report abuse |
      • PraiseTheLard

        Laney wrote: "Just because a person has faith, does not make them a religious nutcase"

        No... it just proves that they're gullible and have limited intellectual power...

        December 24, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |