By Rose Marie Arce and Susan Candiotti, CNN
Colchester, Connecticut (CNN) - Juliet Steer was dying of lymphoma when she told her brother Paul she wanted to be buried just like Jesus, following Jewish customs. Even though she’s a black Christian, she chose a plot in the secluded interfaith section of this quiet town's Jewish Ahvath Achim Cemetery.
“She felt like it was a nice and peaceful place,” Paul Steer said. Juliet liked the quiet. When she died, Paul had her buried in the plot, hopeful that she’d finally rest in peace.
But this Jewish cemetery in Colchester, Connecticut, has been anything but peaceful since one of its board members sued Paul Steer. It’s now the center of a legal fight tinged with allegations of racial and religious prejudices.
Maria Balaban, a cemetery board member who has relatives buried there, is demanding Paul remove Juliet’s remains from the cemetery because she is not Jewish and has no ties to anyone in the Jewish section. Paul Steer believes part of the reason Balaban wants his sister's remains removed is because she was African-American.
“Her lawyer said ‘My client don’t believe your sister accepted the faith and she has to be exhumed.' I said, ‘What are you talking about?' 'Your sister don’t (sic) belong there, the cemetery is only for Jews,'” remembers Paul, whose family is of Jamaican descent. “I said, ‘Man, get out of here.’”
Balaban owns empty plots in the cemetery’s Jewish section, near those of her relatives. She is also suing her own congregation because it allowed a non-Jew to be buried on the other side of the property. She says the interfaith section was only supposed to allow non-Jews with ties to Judiasm or members of Congregation Ahvath Achim, a conservative synagogue whose name means "brotherly love."
“She’s not supposed to be there,” Balaban said of Juliet Steer. “She is not Jewish. I had no idea what she was. I didn’t know where she came from, there was never anything said.”
The dispute has upset members of the congregation, whose board - including Balaban - voted in 2009 to allow people of any faith to be buried in the interfaith section.
“That’s the troubling thing about the case for us, we really don’t understand the motivation, we really sure wish it had been raised at the creation of the interfaith section back on November 1 of 2009,” said George Purtil, a lawyer for the congregation. “We wouldn’t be in the pickle that we’re in right now if somebody, if she had just spoken up.”
In an exclusive interview with CNN, Balaban said she did speak up and accuses the board of inaccurately portraying her support for the interfaith section. “I would never have approved that and I did not approve it,” she said. “The minutes are 80% wrong.”
Her lawyer, Martin Rutchik, said Balaban’s wishes are consistent with the rules governing most Jewish cemeteries. “There has been a violation of the sanctity and the respect of cemetery grounds that were created for Jews, who after centuries of running around went to Colchester and created a home of their own,” he said.
Arthur Liverant, another board member, showed CNN the two sections, divided by a road and some fencing. Juliet, an African-American, is the only person to be buried in the interfaith section so far, he said, although four other plots are reserved and paid for.
The other four plots are for white people and Balaban has not objected to those, which has brought the issue of race into the debate at the synagogue. “They are white, but it makes no different to us,” Arthur said. "Anybody is allowed to be buried there.”
Balaban, who was born in Cuba, says race has nothing to do with her objections to Juliet Steer’s remains. She says the other four plots were bought by people associated to members of the congregation. As a social worker who devoted years of her life to working with black teenagers, she said she's stung by any implication this dispute is about race.
“I do not want to hurt the poor Julia who is buried there that she thought was going to be buried in a peaceful place,” Balaban said. “It’s not my intention. I would not want to hurt anyone. I’m fighting those who approved that. I’m not fighting her. I’m not fighting the family.”
But the family is now fighting, saying they have no intention of moving Juliet’s body. Her brother says he believes Balaban voted to have an interfaith section with no restrictions, but changed her mind when she discovered Juliet is black.
“God knows if she is a racist or not, but I know I think so,” Steer said. “I could be wrong, but from what is going on and from a statement she made … that if she was buried at the back of the cemetery she would accept it more. Only a racist would say something like that.”
Balaban cringes at any suggestions race played a motive in her lawsuit. She says she mentioned moving the body to the back of the cemetery because that space belonged to a congregation that merged with her synagogue. They were more open to allowing people of other faiths. Her comment had nothing to do with wanting a black woman placed in the back of anything, she insisted.
The discussion in the temple to allow non-Jews into the cemetery began a few years ago, because so many Jews had intermarried or had non-Jewish relatives. The final decision was to permit everyone since people had different connections to Judaism, including civil unions and friendships.
The current debate has created bitterness on all sides, prompting Balaban and her lawyer to throw out a potential compromise. “I would suggest that the grave site of Juliet Steer not be disturbed and be surrounded by shrubbery,” says an October letter from Balaban’s lawyer.
George Purtill, the lawyer for the congregation, said that was completely unacceptable to the congregation. “That’s gross,” he said. “My client, the board of directors, was absolutely disgusted by that suggestion.”
A judge will weigh in next month, when a temporary injunction to exhume Steer’s body and move her remains elsewhere is scheduled to be heard. The congregation says it will never allow the body to be taken out. But Maria Balaban will have her day in court, facing her own congregation and Juliet Steer’s family, which also vows to keep her in the resting place she chose.
Hey, I'm white, and I do think the race card is WAY overused, but this looks like racism, although I don't know all the facts, but it does! Sometimes, racism does exist, but it goes in all directions, which is never acknowledged.
This is ugly. Let the woman rest in peace. What a disgraceful way to treat a lady who wanted to be buried in a Jewish cemetery. It puts a black mark on the Jewish faith, and will not succeed in doing anything but hurting and angering people. It would be unthinkable to exhume this lady. Leave her in peace, unless you would like the Good Lord to uproot you!
The race card again, huh black people? This is why no one will hire you.
Interesting that you would say that black people are playing the race card again and then make a racist comment. So are you saying "no one will hire you" as in no racist people or no one because black people will just play the "race card" when someone like you makes an actual racist statement? Or are you just saying that you're an unintelligent insecure person who has to disparage others to make himself feel better?
How long will you be simple one's. Rev 2:9 clearly tells us that there is a people upon this earth who claim to be the real JEWS but are in fact imposters and the synagogue of SATAN! This woman is in fact the real JEW! I personally think she figured out who she was. This has nothing to do with race at all. Man has created a "JESUS" painted him as if the bible described him as a white man. I don't argue with scripture and the God of Abrahim, Issac and Jacob is not White. I would have respect and would also lay my hand upon my mouth had they painted the picture correctly. why do you think the bible says "Ye serve what Ye know not! Blacks and other people of color are indeed the True Hebrews. Even white scholars have figured it out and admitted it, some anyway. Black people why do you think they hate us and we never did anything to them?They know who we are. The bible even tells us that they said let us strip them from being a people. They were sucessful. Now look at us going completely against the Almighty I AM. Jeremiah 10 tells us to learn not the ways of the heathens. Guess what we did. We celebrate all of their pagan holidays and forgot all about what the Almight I AM commanded Moses to tell us to keep, his FEAST! Or have you now serve the Creature rather than your CREATOR who is blessed above all forever Amen. Look up all these holidays get the background on what you are serving. I am so glad the Almighty has chosen to remove the delusion from my eyes. I use to believe the lies of the creature rather than the truth given to the Apostles. Now, I see clearly. Rich man you have no place in the kingdom for it is written. Surely a camel will go thru the eye of a needle b4 a rich man enter into the kingdom. How long you simple one's.
I grew up in Colchester and I know many of the members of this congregation. They are just as upset at Ms. Balaban's position, if not more so, than anyone else.
And, I think the saddest thing of all is that many bloggers have missed the point of the story. It is the ONE member of the congregation that has objected so vehemently to the burial. The board of the congregation agreed to the burial. Why are so many of the responses blasting the entire Jewish population for the position of one of it's members?
I hope we meet a vast space alien society. Because some day someone will say, "You're discriminating against me because I'm human." Then, we will either ALL get the f**k over ourselves or prove once and for all we aren't worth the matter we inhabit.
How embarrassing. Jewish tradition is very firm about respect for the dead. If the woman was buried in an interfaith section by people acting with good will, which she was, then simple respect demands that her remains be left alone. The idea that her presence somehow contaminates the cemetery is repugnant and non-Jewish.
It's not that it contaminates the cemetery, it's that it sets a precedent. She wanted to be "buried like Jesus". Problem is, there are probably more people who want to be buried like Jesus than there are Jews. And if everyone who wanted that was buried there, then there would be no space left for the domestic partners and non-jewish relatives and associated congregation members of the people in the other side of the cemetery.
Once buried, she should be left to rest in peace. But the rules also need to be changed to make it clear who this space is for.
As a Jew this kind of prejudice is disgusting. Leave the woman in peace, none of the Jews buried there are complaining. This goes against everything I though Judaism was for me, accepting as we were not accepted.
jewish princess from Cuba, backpeddling about money she got from a cemetary plot, wants to exhume a lady because a couple years ago she didn't do her homework. Tuff luck and get over it, let the lady rest in peace.
Digging up a body because you find out they don't make the criteria for your cemetary, but paid the fees. Is about as tacky as a religion can get. Tasteless and arrogant beyond the grave. Jews must have the market on blasphemy.
That's like saying that Christians must have the market on hatred and violence because some Christians belong to White supremacy groups. Only a racist idiot would generalize to the extent that you did when you said, "Jews must have the market on blasphemy."
Do not blame an entire religion for the tactless act of one person. This woman does not speak for all Jews any more then one member of the KKK spoke for all Whites. She is possibly a bigot or simply misguided. Whatever her problem, do not lay it at the door of an entire group, that show as much ignorance as she does.
how is it a Jewish person is offended by a black person buried in a Jewish cemetery? have u forgotten of the holocaust? where u all were made to live stacked up on 1 another like sardines? have u forgotten the word ghetto means the living conditions u all were forced to live with? u should be ashamed of yourself thinking u r better than anyone! may God have mercy on your soul! have u forgotten how we accepted your businesses in our neighborhoods? i really feel sorry for u,because u r from the Ghetto truly! read a book!!!!!
Enough! of the holocaust. It was a terrible thing but its over. Your people have healed and prospered especially here in the land of the free. Now let other groups of humanity get some attention!
Also, if you want to live such segregated lives such as exemplified in this piece then please immigrate to Israel.
I'm pretty sure, this proposed exhumation is because that woman was black.
It's not because she's black – it's because she isn't jewish and has no ties to the congregation. Stop playing the race card every time something you don't like happens to a black person.
Your response to this article is so bigoted. What you write is no different than telling a black person to go back to Africa. Shame on you! You cannot judge an entire religion or ethnic group by the opinion of one member.
Ha Ha you silly Theists! Concerned about decaying material in a box being buried under the ground based upon affiliation of shared fantasies. Dirt is dirt this is such a waste of everyone's time and money!
hand her a shovel and say 'tell me how it goes.' Whenever, i see something this profoundly disgusting, i wonder whether the person doing it would be willing to commit something this hateful themselves. awful.
A cemetery is a piece of ground, it is not a church or a mosque or a synagogue and even churches etc welcome people from different faiths. I'm glad to hear other Jewish people are against this lawsuit because it sounds petty since they aren't even allowed to have a contract which excludes other people (not in the US anyway).
I'm Jewish 100% and I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS STUPIDITY! I was raised orthodox and that has nothing to do with it, Jewish law does NOT say if you are not Jewish you can't be buried there. It's shameful and ridiculous, and I hope people don't think all Jews are like that.
No rational and intelligent person would lame the blame anywhere but where it belongs, with this ONE woman, no one else.
1. The racist remarks about "all Jews" are disgusting and ignorant.
2. There are Jewish people who are fighting this frivilous lawsuit.
3. Its an "inter-faith" cemetary, established in 2009. By definition, its for people of all faiths. Also, this is 2012.
4. Ms Juliet paid the complaintant and all other Jews a compliment by wanting to be buried "like Jesus" – because Jesus was a Jew. His original ministry was to reform the Jewish faith. It was not until his interaction with the desperate mother that He extended His ministry to Gentiles.
5. This is just a shame.
The woman is clearly a foul racist. Lot's of cubana's are. They come to America on the blood, sweat, tears, and civil rights activists of Black people, and a few caucasians; then get brand-new about who THEY are (new-n-words).
QUOTE: "The woman is clearly a foul racist. Lot's of cubana's are. They come to America on the blood, sweat, tears, and civil rights activists of Black people, and a few caucasians; then get brand-new about who THEY are (new-n-words)."
You're one to talk. Why is it acceptable to you to call someone a racist and then you use a blanket stereotype?
Note to self: Don't call someone a racist when you're one yourself. Just hold your tongue...
I just want to point out that I support the family and the congregation. But fighting racism with racism only produces more racism.
Since she wanted to be "buried like Jesus" she should have gone to the middle east & found a cave..... better than pretending to be Jewish to get buried in their cemetery.
Read the article moron. She pretended nothing. They knew who and what she was when they took her money and buried her.
Wait a minute...aren't these particulare caucasian jews, ashkenazi-jewish-converts? Yes they are. These are not the "children of israel" spoken of in the bible. Learn true history nut-bag; not racist history that you were taught by your lying, racist, murdering, theiving ancestors.
Based on your logic; shouldn't the so-called ashkenze-jewish-converts be sent back to poland, and be burried like whoever converted them to judaism?
This is a very sad story! I'm floored,I wish I was a judge so I could tell the plaintiff to Stick It Were The Sun Don't Shine! case Closed!
Maria Balaban as a Sephardite Jew that emigrated from Cuba needs to understand that this is not an only Jews cementary, the woman makes a mockery of her religion, shames them.
I am a Roman Catholic that is a widow of a Jewish man, I asked if he could be buried in my Catholic cementery in the family mauseleoum and there was no problem.
To the pain of the death of a sister she makes the family live again the pain,by demanding her body be removed.
Call, email, Colchester Cementeryto to let them know how infuriates us and it is not an American way.
This cemetery is a Jewish cemetery that limits burial to Jews & people with a strong connection, like relatives, spouses, civil unions, friends, to this Jewish religious community. The woman who bought this plot & was buried there is a stranger to them. The board member confirmed she was not Jewish, a convert, & had no connection to the Jewish community. Suicides used to be banned from burial in Catholic cemeteries(although that rule has changed). If your husband had not been related to you the answer might have been no too, Rosie. I think we should respect Jewish burial customs. Our country is founded on freedom of religion. Their cemetery, their rules.
@reallyjersey: Go back to poland, or italy, or greece or whatever european country your ancestors came from. You are taking in valuable H2O, and space, and Oxygen, and food. You are a like racist of balaban, maria. Well, I guess it takes a devil to defend a devil.
This is the point – she has no ties to the congregation.
@ P41, unless you are a Native American, you should follow your own advice and go back where your ancestors came from. Probably under a rock. Bottom line, the cemetary took the money, and allowed the burial to begin with. Now it's time to leave it alone, let her rest in peace.
Since I have Cherokee ancestry, I think I'll stay.... When are you leaving P e e, I'll wave good bye as you go.
This is the epitome of stupid. The dead don't care – according to the beliefs that dominate the issue they're fighting about dust lying next to dust. It only matters to the living, and they seem to think it matters to the dead. Hey Balaban! Give it about 10,000 years and you won't be able to tell the difference between Jewish ground and any other dirt.
There goes the neiborhood. They dont even want blacks in the grave yards
Hey if she didn't lie on the contract and say she was Jewish they can go leap. If they only want Jewish people buried there they shouldn't take money from anyone who walks in the door of the plot sales centre. RIP sweetheart hope the people at the cemetery stop acting selfish.
I think balabans is also concerned with the color of the skin of those people visiting the grave. that is probably another reason she is proposing to move the grave to the back.
Oh brother. Is there even really anything to blog about here? Im headin over to fox, where there is an intelligent arguement or two. Yes, the dead woman shouldent be moved obviously, and the jewish woman is of course very mean to do that. Where is the arguement?
It is not color of skin nor choice of religion or even legality. It is kindness or meaness that matters.
The interfaith section was for people who had a connection in life to the Jewish community or belonged to a certain sect. What connection did the buried woman have to the Jewish community. During her life was there any connection at all?
If that's a fact, they should have a contract stating such. They aren't legally allowed to do that though :D
It's a private Jewish cemetery & the board member is attempting to enforce the contract now that it has been revealed the deceased is not Jewish, did not convert, & is a stranger to their faith community. It is legal.
IM 100% IN TOTAL AGREEMANT WITH YOU GO BACK TO YOUR OWN LAND IM ALSO BORN AND RAISED AMERICAN
If you are a born and raised American, you should know how to spell in English better than that. And you should also know that the whole point of America is what is written on the Statue of Liberty: "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free".
I just want to point out that I support the family and the congregation. But fighting racism with racism only produces more racism.
Does Balaban think for one minute that God is jewish or that God is white?
Thank you, Babara for encapsulating the sentiments of so many readers. Compassion for the family and respect for the deceased! Do not disturb this poor woman´s resting place.
Ms. Balaban sounds like a very unpleasant person and not a Jew at all. The congregation obviously is fine with Juliet's last will and they even have an interfaith section, how wonderful. The congregation should oust Ms. Balaban, logically speaking.
Two thumbs up!
As if the dead care who their 'neighbours' are. Only the living do.
When that flesh decays, race and physical appearance cease to be an issue.
Donate your body to science and ask that it be buried with the least expense and the least disturbance to the ecology.
Let this issue rest in peace, please. A group of cool headed women should sit down and ask Maria Balaban on what's exactly bugging her.
This is pure evil. Absolutely atrocious. Shame, shame, shame on these "supposed" Jews. I know many a Jew who wouldn't support this behavior in the least, including myself. Ethnic cleansing beyond the grave? Jews of all people should know better.
This is sad. Let the dead lady be. There are so much more important things in this world to fight over, this is not one of them.
And this is why no one likes JEWS. Are you kidding me? Read your damn book of Torah. Did it say anything about compassion? You claim that you follow Moses and yet you are cruel to foreigners. You rejected Jesus and claimed to follow God and yet you DON'T even serve the poor and the needy and the afflicted. Please prove me wrong that Jewish faith is not compassionate. You claim to follow God and yet you STONED the apostles. What a hard hardened corrupted generation. This person is DEAD, and no longer lives and yet you want the grave exhumed? How about we dig up all the dead jewish graves and send them back to Canaan. Would you like that?
By the way Happy MLK day. Some Jewish communities are as racist as KKK
There goes the neighborhood.
I agree with acidicJew on this one. That woman is heartless and has a lot of nerve to get mad because a black woman is buried there. People have the right to be laid to rest anywhere their choose. That's just sad!
That women is clearly heartless, but not all Jews. Get your facts straight– any real Jew practices tikkun olam, repairing the world- people of ALL colors, ALL religions, ALL etc. should be treated equally and given help when needed. Don't blame the downfall of the entire world on Jewish people just because this one woman is a horrid human being.
Let us know how that tikkun olam works out for the Ethiopian Jews living with horrible discrimination in Israel.
As a cuban american methodist I find Maria Balaban's behavior abhorrent and lacking compassion
let alone humane.
I will say this in spanish to Maria: POR QUE EN VEZ DE ESTAR JODIENDO TANTO A LA POBRE
MUJER QUE ESTA MUERTA MEJOR UTILIZA ESA ENERGIA MALEVOLA Y DIABOLICA PARA DERROCAR
AL REGIMEN CASTRISTA QUE HAY EN CUBA Y ENTONCES ASI TE PUEDES LARGAR PARA ALLA Y
A LO MEJOR TE PERMITEN HACER ESOS SACRILEGIOS AHHH Y DEJAME DECIRTE QUE LA POPULACION
PREDOMINANTE EN CUBA ES DE PERSONAS NEGRAS......................
QUE VERGUENZA PARA NOSOTROS LOS CUBANOS QUE HAYAN CUBANOS COMO TU EN ESTE GRAN PAIS.
NO ME IMPORTA TU OPINION NI LA VOY A LEER TAMPOCO ASI QUE NI TE MOLESTES EN CONTESTAR..........
COMO PUEDEN APRECIAR SOY BILINGUE Y RESIDO EN ESTE PAIS DESDE HACE CASI 45 ANOS POR LO
TANTO ME CRIE ACA PERO NO TENGO ESOS PREJUICIOS QUE TIENEN ALGUNOS CUBANOS TODAVIA
ESPECIALMENTE LOS DE "LA VIEJA GUARDIA" WHATEVER THAT MAY BE................
SHAME ON YOU MARIA.
I they should exume the lady and replace her remains with the plaintiffs. That way everybody wins...
are you kidding me? I can not believe that this woman is complaining and demanding that they move this woman's body because she is not jewish. Who cares, she is deceased and resting in peace. When Ms. Balaban leaves this earth do you think she will know who is burried around her? It shouldn't matter where you are burried if you paid for it and apparently whom ever sold her the burial plot did not have any problems doing so. Ms. Balaban should be ashamed of her self for even considering this as a problem.
If they move this lady's body they should have to pay for a whole new funeral and casket. Also I dont know how she could sue when it was her business that sold the plot. When have you ever heard of a business selling something and then suing to reverse its own deal. Not gonna work.
Send her racist ass back to Cuba! She came to america for her freedom to worship. Deport her back to Cuba! Then maybe she will learn not to be hateful and racist.
True, this Cuban woman is a racist pig. I know of the Cubans racist views. Its because she's a negra. Let the dead rest in peace and move on. Stupid woman and her outdated bigotry.
May I suggest that you re-read this article the woman that is buried is " Black Cuban " !!!!!!
"Paul Steer believes part of the reason Balaban wants his sister's remains removed is because she was African-American.
“Her lawyer (Balaban's) said ‘My client don’t believe your sister accepted the faith and she has to be exhumed.' I said, ‘What are you talking about?' 'Your sister don’t (sic) belong there, the cemetery is only for Jews,'” remembers Paul, whose family is of Jamaican descent. “I said, ‘Man, get out of here.’”
the deceased woman is an african american according to her brother. of jamaican descent. i think he'd have reason to know his sisters ethnicity.
"Balaban, who was born in Cuba,..."
the woman who is making the big stink is cuban. it says not one way or the other if she is "black" anywhere in this article. it only says she was a social worker who worked with black youth. and, of course, that she wants the only black person in the entire cemetery disinterred and moved. may i suggest you re-read the article?
Bravo!! Encore! I passionately agree.
Shame on you for such shameful actions, There is but one God. Leave the poor women alone let her rest in peace. You my dear are a poor example of a good Jew.
Jews, like Christians can be imbosoles....shame on the cemetary and the board members...leave her alone
Please reread carefully, it is not the board members or the cemetery, it is just this one woman
Jews are not Christians you idiot. By the way the only true religion is the one that serves the poor and afflicted and the ones that takes care of the widows and orphans. That's a true religion and that's how you follow God and Christ. Read your bible, Christ never claimed that his ministry is called "Christian". The word Christian only appeared 3 times in the Bible and actually the word "Disciples of Christ" is used way more often like couple hundred times.
Hey Gort1, it's "Imbecile". Dont feel bad about it though. It takes a Christian or a Jew to spell those really difficult words.
hey acidicJew....waste your time with you funny hats and tonsured hair.....its dirt...they are buried in dirt...you know like as in the stuff plant grow in. Religion....ALL...religion is made up BY MAN and has NOTHING to do with God. Its a joke...like a burka, yamaka, robe....big buildings that have some line from the Bible on it....a bunch of ruins that you cry in front of...its a joke and the greatest scourse of misery and death on earth....she paid to be there, she wanted to be there, and she had the right to be there...you know in that DIRT.
I am just wondering why people spend their money, time and energies putting their noses in other people's business. The only conclusion I could reach is that these people have nothing better to do or perhaps maybe these people have such a storybook life with no job, responsibilities or worries that "normal average" people face everyday. I have my own family and spend my time trying to eke out a halfway decent living than being concerned where somebody is buried...BTW, these black only and jewish cemeteries were probably the result of the prejudices of the past. I wonder why don't these people put their bored minds on things that should matter like world hunger or peace something altruistic like that..hmmmmm
Bravo. Very well said!!!
Dam ! Im a man of color and i think this is all crazy. Please say it again, You my friend are sooooo correct. Thank You.
hey i'm am man of color too, its winter so its kind of a 'pastey white"
absolutely, positively, totally correct.
It is hard to believe that an individual that comes from a group, that has always been targeted, and is still being targeted, to have such point of views. This prejudice/racism at its best! Jews have been discriminated against for endless years, now they are doing it to other groups.
This is so unbelievably wrong! This is when religion has gone too far!
Rod, this is not religion. The congregation of the temple says they don't want her moved; it's okay with her if she's buried there. This is one prejudiced, bitter old lady with nothing better to do that to harass the bereaved family.
i have jewish roots and i think this is wrong and i hope the family wins
There is a yellow one that won't accept the black one
That won't accept the red one that won't accept the white one
Get the picture, thanks Sly, we will never just get along with each other. End of story
"She says the interfaith section was only supposed to allow non-Jews with ties to Judiasm or members of Congregation Ahvath Achim, a conservative synagogue whose name means "brotherly love." the key word there being OR. mainstream christianity and judaism are inextricably "tied" to each other. both faiths spring from the same roots. woman needs to do her homework if she wants to argue theology. "Alister McGrath, former Professor of Historical Theology at Oxford University, asserts that the 1st century "Jewish Christians" were totally faithful religious Jews. They differed from other contemporary Jews only in their acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah." what's this you say Professor McGrath? jewish christians? jews who believed that jesus was the son of god? who is SHE to question the faith and values of a dead woman? she doesn't seem to have much historical knowledge of her own faith. really, as if somehow a christian on the other side of the cemetary is going to what... contaminate the whole place? i really hope she loses her stupid case and is ousted from the board. this kind of narrow minded biased bull crap is the exact reason why there has been so much tension and strife between the two faiths over the centuries, no need to have ignorant bimbos like this to perpetuate it in this day and age.
"Ties to" as in the non-jewish relatives or domestic partners of the Jews buried there.
By the way, the word "bimbo" is a Gypsy slur, and your use of it is offensive to the Roma.
Geez, I thought bimbo was an american slur...
not so my friend. bimbo is derived from an italian word, to be sure, shortened from bambino, male child or baby. all it meant to me growing up was "stupid man!", it was what my great aunts called their husbands. in italy today it's not used as a slur, it means baby. "que bella bimbo!" one can see how a baby, who knows nothing, and an act of stupidity on the part of a man, could result in a wife calling him a bimbo. female is bimba, so technically, i should have said she was a bimba i guess. it was never an exclusively roma "slur" but it was exclusively derogatory to men until it entered general english language usage. the sloppy english that i always complain about tends to adopt many foreign language words and make them slang that differs slightly or widely from the original meaning of the word. what is the french word for man? what was that stupid word that became popular in the '80's as a greeting between boys? can you say," what's up homey?" or should we say, "what's up homme?" non mi dica parlare la mia lingua, amico.
Wikipedia notwithstanding, this isn't the origin of the term. Do some more googling.
ha ha ha ha!! ho imparato italiano per la mia bisnonna ginocchio! credo do sapere che cosa la parola "bimbo" e do dove proviene. o si riferisce a cio che ho detto circa la parola "homme" che si e transforma in l'infame "homey"? dato che la mia nonna mori, ho poco occasione di parlare in italiano, ma di certo non hanno dimenticato, non piu do quanto vorrei dimenticare inglese se mi sono trasferito in italia e parla solo italiano una base gionaleira. mio italiano scritto e terrible, non ho mai briga can accento marchi, che vi daro, ma la mia famiglia mi conosce e non ha problemi can essa, che sanno cio che significa anche con tutti i miei bad ortografia e tali! mi spieghi, por favor, che "wiikipedia" ha a che fare con la mia comprensione di una lingua che ho parlato per quattro decenni? mi spieghi come si dovrebbe conoscere meglio do me che cosa mi riferisco quando dico parole in questa lingua? potrebbe essere un poco piu offensiva "troll"?
Just because it means something in Italian, doesn't mean that's the origin of the phrase in English. Bimbo is a Roma clan name.
si sono appena stati suini diretto. etimologia della parola, e italiano "bambino". solo perche non ci puo essere un clan che utilizza la parola "bimbo" come il loro nome, che non fanna che il clan l'origine della parola o per l'uso comune. che cosa e da dire che il clan non si "bimbo" come il loro name a causa dell'uso comune? per esempio, molte persone hanno il cognome "johnson". questo non e altro che " jon's son", si? come se poi a roma so chiama clan "bimbo" perche e stata fondata do un uomo chiamato "bambino"? non e che il cambiamento l'etimologia della parola? naturalmente non. dubito che l'origine dell'uso parola inglese ha a che fare con un clan roma nome.
Hear, hear! I couldn't agree more!
All those who feel victimized create their own exclusive clubs By the way the Nazi's didn't kill "JEWS" They murded inocent human beings....a far greater sin and loss to humanity.
Jews didn't want Gypies to be included in the holocaust museum either. They aren't. Bet you didn't know that. Are Jews going to keep this craap up forever???
The website for the Holocaust Memorial Museum is http://www.ushmm.org/
Back before the Web you could make those kinds of statements – now people can go see for themselves.
If they are there, they certainly did not want them included to begin with. Research it.
You're grasping at straws.
There are nuts in every religion. Thankfully they are a minority.
Those J e W s at it again, this is why we will never just get along with one another.
"ALL" Jews? This is ONE person; Stop with the ignorant generalizations.
Hey stupid, those does not mean all
People that do this only bring shame to their congregation. Fighting your own church over something like this? Sheesh. So should I kick you to the curb when I see you eating non kosher food in Pizza Hut. Should I get banished because someone thinks I don't make confession enough? Get some sense lady. Nice job treating someone like dirt who also received the blessing of Abraham.
Did you read the article carefully. The article states Ms Steer is a Christian without any connection to the Jewish faith. The suit by the board member charges that the board are not following the standards of a normal Jewish cemetery by allowing Ms Steer to be buried there. The brother's allegations of race are groundless, this is a private religious cemetery that has a right to limit burials according to religious preference. The real issue is the non denominational part of this cemetery IS supposed to be limited to spouses, relatives, civil partners, & friends of Jews. All Jewish cemeteries have these same rules. A lot of other religious cemeteries hold similar rules, like Catholic cemeteries for example. This board member charges that Ms steer's burial violates those rules. Without the hysteria of the media this is a simple case. Personally; I cannot fathom why she chose, as a Christian, to be buried in a Jewish cemetery. That one puzzles me.
"That’s the troubling thing about the case for us, we really don’t understand the motivation, we really sure wish it had been raised at the creation of the interfaith section back on November 1 of 2009,” said George Purtil, a lawyer for the congregation. “We wouldn’t be in the pickle that we’re in right now if somebody, if she had just spoken up.”
"Balaban said she did speak up and accuses the board of inaccurately portraying her support for the interfaith section. “I would never have approved that and I did not approve it,” she said. “The minutes are 80% wrong.”
well, now, so, she is saying what? that the person recording the minutes is a liar or stupid? her own congregation is saying she's full of it and her answer is they recorded the minutes wrong? weak.
i see stupid people and they live in connect icut
Sham on her, doen't she remimber that the Hitler dug up our people and robbed our dead. How very selfish of her. She is making all Jews look bad.
Rest assured that thinking people know that one idiot is not representative of an entire race.
now you see why we dislike the jews she is a pathetic bat and a f in jerk
Hey troll, who is "we"?
FLAG on the play, ref. Please remove this awful, racist comment.
Q: Was Jesus not a Jew, does Christianity not spring from Judism? Black or white it doesn't matter Ms. Steer has the same right as any Jewish person to be buried there... she's earned it... she's dead. Man and Laws give me a headache. I see this not going well for either party, neither will be happy the outcome if the courts rule is not in favor of their wishes.
Didn't Larry King admit he stole like $5000 from a charity years ago?
Do we need anymore evidence that Jews consider themselves above everyone else? No wonder they engage in exclusionary business practices and media propaganda.
The christian are different form of the Jews, they are modern Jews. Any modern Jews is a christian. Like it or not this is the reality of the people of one and same God. Paul and Peter for many years faught this idea enable to convince the Jews over this theory and their zionist radical ideology must change.
I BELIEVE THE MUSLEMS HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEIR RELIGIOUS WAYS...................... FREEDOM OF RELIGION,,,,
I believe Rastaforians should have the right to worship Jah (also another name for the Abrhamic god) anyway they choose. American govt continuing the lie of freedom and religous freedom is a joke because Rasta's religious sacrement is cannibis. Hindus also smoke cannibis 1 day out of the year but nope not allowed in the United States of America legally. Sikhs also consume it, so do people who still follow some paganism and Temple 420 in California thinks it's the plant revelations says would heal all nations and they consume it. Oh yeah the plant mentioned 5 times in the Hebrew bible called kaneh bosm is thought by scholars to be cannibis. Religious freedom doesn't exist unless you follow the laws created by judgemental evangelical christians. If Jesus was around today he would consume cannibis since it gathers people from all walks of life to consume it.
Rest in peace should mean exactly that. Your entire congregation has my sympathy for your efforts in wasting everyones time and money.
Why didn't they straighten this out BEFORE they started digging?
anyone who would dare want to remove someone from the resting place is low down and dirty. u have to put urself in someone else shoes, what if that was ur relative. let that woman have peace. ur going to want it some day.
there are two black only cemetaries and at least one jewish only cemetary where i live. they are some of the oldest ones in the city.
The lady has been laid to rest leave her alone!!! God does not care what faith she was, She helped by mentoring children like the lord says your supposed to do by helping mankind.
The one who mentored the children (if you read the story more carefully) is the Jewish lady who is on the board of directors, not the woman who was buried.
What a mean selfish racist bigot she is, everyone else thinks it is ok except her, disturbed the dead is horrible! Let the women rip. Send the beioch to the ovens!
Bad taste Bob. Say your sorry!!
Kinda a low blow Bob, but i 100% agree with you. Let Ms.Steer rest! And really what in the world does this woman hope to gain by doing this?
Being a complete ass, is a choice you make Bob. My question is, why would you choose to be an ass just like Maria.
So, bob, lets talk about your mother & father...Are they married yet?
Absolutely disgusting. Now people can't even be buried in peace. This lady should be ashamed of herself. There is enough hatred in this world and now this. What will people stub to now. I think it would be better for her to go back to Cuba and pull this crab. See what Fidel Castro would say.
Sorry for the short absence, guys. I'm back.
God I hate religion
I agree with you a million times over. Religion should no longer be rewarded.
I mean, I get where they are coming from. From what I have seen first-hand and heard, people who are Jewish hold some traditions really high. The burial and resting place is one of the most important. Even some Jews who are Jewish, and don't follow some important traditions/rules, are rejected from being buried in their cemetery. It has nothing to do that she is black, so don't call them racist. This is like getting mad that an atheist John Doe was buried in the catacombs with the Popes and major clergy members. It is simply their belief.
Besides, it seems to me that this is a private cemetery, and since you do have the first amendment, and the separation of church and state, she will probably have to be exhumed. Honestly I would be shocked if she wasn't. Yes it is sad that she will be moved post burial, and that she will not be in the place she asked for, but in the bigger picture, they should have the right to practice their religion freely.
Wonder how our living, loving and forgiving God in heaven feels about this whole thing? Juliet's soul is at peace, her name was written in the book, and she is with God. The living will be judged according to their acts.
You hit the nail on the head. People have the right to be free. Free from the divisiveness of the so called "great" religions. Let the woman's body be and let her family have some peace.
I get your point – but the interfaith section of the cemetery is across a road and separated by a fence. How does that affect any of their traditions? Not to mention the four other plots that have been paid for by non-Jewish people. Plus she offered a "compromise" of letting her stay buried but surround the plot with shrubs......
when you buy a burial plot there is a contract. It's not about first amendment anymore. Its about fulfilling a legal obligation now. Also first admendment doesn't protect a racist act (look up unprotected speech) and lastly it is a single member the congregation as a whole is with the family. However this woman is as Evil as the Westboro baptist Church. She is not Jewish as they are not Christians just like the peoples republic of China is not a republic but a socialist/communist state.
If someone says they are something but don't act like it at all then they are liars. We are all people and all have failings but to 100% go the opposite way of something then you are falsifying your belief. This happens in all aspects of life from religion and politics to education and social interactions.
Jesus was not black or white he was like everyone else from the middle east area today dark olive.
This is why the founding fathers believed in the second amendment. Outside of the terrorism in Israel, it is a safe place no stealing (minus the taxi drivers) or murder we are safer than the UK because we all carry guns. Same with Switzerland, and the safest places in the US.
Sort of like clustering computers you can cluster energy, security, and food. It is a form of public administration if everyhome supplied their own power solar and wind and were also connected to a central grid as well as people had the ability to protect themselves instead of the (realtime and not reported(realtime is from the start of the incident through 911 phone call through dispatching units and reported is from dispatching units))8 minute response time of a poorly trained police officer no fault of their own but government trains them very poorly. The cluster method frees up resources to help those who are helpless all the while allowing those who can help themselves react sooner. Energy wise you are supplying yourself AND the whole no central station goes down and wipes out power for all.
Computer geeks who would have thought :-)
If you bothered to check other news sources, P41, you will find out that all Jewish cemeteries limit burial by certain rules. The non-denominational area of their cemetery(even when it is across the road or divided by a fence) is for spouses, civil partners, friends, & relatives OF JEWS. The board member will be able to prove this to the court. Jewish cemeteries can do this legally because they are PRIVATE religious cemeteries. It is part of freedom of religion. Catholic cemeteries also limit burial to Catholics in a similar fashion. It would have been preferable if this had been discovered BEFORE burial, but this problem is not unique & has happened many times before in various different religions. Since CNN has so kindly announced to all of us that Ms Steer was indeed a Christian, that will make the court's decision easier. Whether the court orders the board to pay for the exhumation & reburial depends upon just how upfront Ms Steel was to the Jewish cemetery about being a Christian who had no connection to the Jewish community. Try to put aside the bigotry & see this impartially. As for you, Jesse, upholding standard rules does not make someone evil. Get some help for yourself computer geek, your circuits are fried.
I am also from Cuban and Maria's complaint it is not of racist, there is a contract if you read the story that the Synagogue signed when they aquired the orthodox jewish cemetery that non Jews shall be bury in any part of the cemetery, they never looked at the contract and sold the plot to Steer just for the money, they realized now and now they want to apologize and settle, Maria was right in fighting she did not know that Steer was black untill much latter the only thing she knew was that she was not Jewish, the newspapers never get the fact correct, you can go on line and see the contract between the Jewish Aid and the Ahavah Achim synagogue and you will see Maria is not racist, they used that card to make it in the pappes so she can droo the case for humuliation but she is a very sttong woman she needs to be comended for defending those who can no longer defend themselves who are bury in that cemetery and wrote the contract.
let's hope there's a warm place in hell reserved for maria balaban
and that is where she will be regardless of where her body is buried. Just when I thought being evil couldn't get worse. I will try to not allow this to fog my opinions on the Jewish community, but being hateful and racist seems to be the Newt Ginrich way......
Furthermore I wouldn't remove her body. So how in the world is this racist bigot going to say on one had that anybody can be buried in their cemetery, but turn right around and deny it? She is full of it and it disgusts me to the fullest! They will lose in court. If I were a part of the deceased lady's family I would sue them for stress! This is a shame! You bigot Jews should be ashamed of yourselves...Well they denied Jesus as the Messiah so this doesn't suprise me! Then you wonder why a lot of people hate Jewish people. I have Jewish in my ancestory and so do a lot of people...You are all just Bigots! The only difference now is that you are not wearing your KKK hoods anymore! You disgust me!
The Israelites weren't black. Just like Jesus wasn't black.
Ummm...If you turn dark when you tan you are black or of black decent. Only black people rather people from Africa or if they migrated to Asian or even the America's tan. White people burn and turn red. I know you can say people from Italy and other Northern and Eastern Mediterranian countries are white but actually they are decendants of Moors, Mooroco (im sure i misspelled that). Also the people of Isreal were also black. The oldest evidence of human existence is located in Ethiopia meaning those black people had to have migrated to the Middle East. Actually, even white people are black. Evidence show they were migrants who traveled north. Race is actually just a defense mechanism to enviromental conditions. If you take a mammal who is aculamated to a sunny, humid environment and place it in a cold, overcast environment. If it survives it will develop physical characteristics allowing it to adapt to the environment. Such as pale skin due to lack of sunlight and long wooly hair (to hold in heat) and slightly thicker skin. (ever wondered why "white" people wear sandals in the winter time?) Actually scientists have found that there are as many genetic anomilies w/in races as they are interracially. Meaning I (a black man) could be more genetically simular to a asian man or a white man than to another black person regardless of location in the world. Cool stuff really. Stop all this racial hate its stupid and actually in way, less human.
So....all of these people (with white or light skin) that call them selves Jewish are NOT aware that the ORIGINAL Jewish People had dark skin? Wow! Jesus is described as having skin of bronze...that is a shame how they are trying to force this lady's family to remove her out of a darn cemetery because she was an African-American Christian! That is just plain sick! You racist Jewish people need to REALLY STUDY Gods' word and REALIZE that the ORIGINAL JEWISH people were Black! You bigots!
New King James Version (NKJV)
30 My skin grows black and falls from me;
My bones burn with fever.
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 Now their appearance is blacker than soot;
They go unrecognized in the streets;
Their skin clings to their bones,
It has become as dry as wood.
Song of Solomon 1
I am dark, but lovely,
O daughters of Jerusalem,
Like the tents of Kedar,
Like the curtains of Solomon.
6 Do not look upon me, because I am dark,
Because the sun has tanned me.
My mother’s sons were angry with me;
They made me the keeper of the vineyards,
But my own vineyard I have not kept.
I'm not sure what your point is. In biblical times many in the region were relatively dark skinned but not dark enough that they didn't tan. They were like the Egyptians, of whom the men are portrayed as darker because they worked outside under the sun more
Ummm Egyptians are black people...light skinned is still black. Ask Bryant Gumbel, or Barack Obama. I dont think anybody would call them white. Last time I check white people turn red when they work outside. Hense the term Red-Neck.
Job 30:30 is talking about the horrible events that fell on Job. It is a reference to the effects of afflication on his body and soul not his color/racial background. Song of Solomon refers to a girl who has been out in the sun tending to the vineyards, of course she is dark....you know people do that when they work in the sun for a long time. Great way to try to twist the words to meet your own needs.
Revelation 2:9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan
Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
Dig up remains and ghost will haunt cemetery forever
Where is her brotherly love? It sounds as though she only has brotherly love for those who meet her criteria!
Gee I thought bigots only lived in the south....huh?
nope i am born and raised in CT. Bigots everywhere even the North.
this is absolutely disgusting. let her remain in peace. the woman fighting this should be ashamed of herself and obviously is of the older racist generation. So glad our youth are less and less bigoted. She obviously has a racist or religious bigoted thinking process. Either way she needs to shut up.
I suggest Ms. Balaban try to figure out how she's going to pay the court costs. I hope they hose her.
Yet have a white person buried in a black cemetery and all hell will break loose.
Not true! Don't add to the racial hatred.
Try to leave your bitterness at the door, and stick to the subject.
Where in this country do you know of a "black" cemetery? Wait...is there a latino and white cemetery too? Hmm maybe there is a Pacific Islander cemetery? I thought I heard it all but your comment truly is ridiculous. Statistics show that only 25% of this country hold a college degree....you MUST be in the 75%.
Peopledontthink--Come on down I'll take you to 6 black cemetaries within 6 miles of each other.....
OMG. Really. Hmmm. Why are there black cemeteries genius? Perhaps because they weren't allowed to be buried in the white's cemeteries? You people crack me up. This isn't about religion. She is okay with Christians that are friends with Jewish people that belong to the congregation. It's about ignorance, fear and control.
What a Witch she is. A racist hiding behind religion who would have thought!
Ms.Balaban is nothing but a low class bigoted jerk. If her fight is not with the deceased then leave her body in peace. You would think a Jewess would extend the hand of fellowship after all the discrimination her people have faced. Perhaps Cuba has a cemetary more to her liking. Just disgusting.
Okay, so remove race as a motivator. You're still coming across as, at the very least, a religious bigot. How is that better? Kinda ironic considering the hate Jewish people have faced for so long.
Ms. Balaban, line 2, Fidel calling, he'd like you to come home.
Hahahahahahahahahah! Love it!
I pray that this gets settled soon and Ms. Balaban pays for all the court costs.
HEAR! HEAR! WELL SAID!
Thanks for making CT seem like a bunch of bigots. Really, when your dead, are you going to care who is buried with you?
Don't sweat it. I'm from PA and thanks to Jerry Sandusky, PSU, and JoePa, we all look like child molesters or enablers. It's always something...
I commend the rest of the congregation for rejecting Ms.Balaban's notion of "brotherly love." It would be poetic justice if somehow SHE was banned from burial there.
It's too late. If the congregation voted to establish an interfaith section, Juliet can ask to be buried there. Ms Balaban had her chance to vote down the interfaith section and didn't. She's a jerk, and that's the nice way of putting it.
The person who brought the suit is of of Cuban descent herself, so it is highly unlikely that racism is the problem. Mr Steer who is of Jamaican descent himself, should stop crying racism just to get his way. The other non Jews who have purchased plots all have a connection to the congregation his sister did not have. Mr Steer's sister is a stranger to all of them, & did not convert to Judaism. Since this is a private Jewish cemetery, the judge will order an exhumation.
You should really stop defending your nazi-kkk friends. It doesn't bode well for you. You have lost ALL CREDIBILITY troll!
I am being impartial about this, P41. These rules are standard at Jewish cemeteries just like a Catholic ones. Religious cemeteries are for the followers of a particular faith. Exceptions are made for relatives, spouses......people who lived with the faithful. The Jewish cemetery is a little more strict than most by separating the non Jews into the non- denominational areas of their cemeteries. But, It's their religion, it's their cemetery. My cousins were funeral directors, so I am a little more aware of burial customs.
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