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January 24th, 2012
07:24 PM ET

Congressional caucus wants investigation of Tucson Mexican-American studies ban

By Stephanie Siek, CNN

(CNN) - As students and faculty of several Tucson high schools protested the end of Mexican-American studies and removal of text books, some members of Congress are seeking an investigation into the ethnic studies ban.

On Monday, hundreds of students from Tucson Magnet High School and from Pueblo, Cholla and Wakefield high schools walked out of morning classes and marched to the Tucson Unified School District’s headquarters to protest the removal of dozens of Mexican-American studies textbooks, as well as the state-ordered suspension of the Mexican-American studies program. A petition aimed at getting the books back in the schools had gained more than 11,000 signatures as of  Wednesday morning.

The Congressional Hispanic Caucus sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Education’s Civil Rights Office asking it to investigate the language of the law banning ethnic studies and its specific application against Tucson’s Mexican-American studies program.

On Tuesday, the American Library Association passed a resolution condemning the suspension of Tucson’s ethnic studies programs and the removal of materials associated with them. It also urges Arizona's legislature to repeal the law that bans ethnic studies in school curriculum.

Tucson schools Governing Board President Mark Stegeman said last week that part of the reason seven titles were being taken from classrooms was because none of them had gone through a required district approval process. But Three Sonorans, a local Tucson blog, uncovered a 2007 document that it says proves that three of the removed books had already gained district approval: “Critical Race Theory,” by Richard Delgado, “Occupied America: A History of Chicanos,” by Rodolfo Acuna, and “Pedagogy of the Oppressed,” by Paulo Freire.

Tucson teacher Norma Gonzalez posted the petition at Change.org on Saturday. It calls on the school board to take the books out of storage at the district book depository, where they have been stored since January 11, and place them in school libraries where students can at least access them on their own.

"I call on the Tucson school board to immediately return these books – placing them in the libraries of the schools they were taken from," the petition reads. "Knowledge cannot be boxed off and carried away from students who want to learn!"

Gonzalez was a curriculum specialist and classroom teacher in several schools until the district’s decision to disband the Mexican-American studies program. She's still employed by the school district, but said she’s now uncertain of her future there.

For one seventh and eighth grade history class, Gonzalez said she was told to teach from of a state-issued Arizona state history textbook, which she said erroneously implied that a certain tribe of Native Americans was extinct.

"I was asked to focus on a chapter dealing with 'the mysterious disappearance of the O'odam people' – and there are two O'odam students in my class," Gonzalez said. "That’s the perspective of the district, which is not accurate. To have to read that to my students was abominable."

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  1. Bob

    The racism, ignorance, and fear on the right just knows no bounds.......

    January 25, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Daniel

      What about when our own people are de facto prejudiced against because a good chunk of the schools money is going to someone and their bilingual class who shouldn't be there.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • steve

        Its ethnic studies, not illegal 101 daniel....I bet you think all brown skinned people are bad and are here illegally.

        I mean, if it aint white, it aint right...is that the case daniel?

        January 25, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Carla Vazq

        @dannyboy Did you miss your fix of NASCAR today?

        January 25, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • lori

        did any of you look at the subject of what is being taught in the 3 books mentioned?

        the beliefs and practices that dominate.
        race lies at the very heart of American life.
        factors of race, gender and class

        January 25, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
  2. South of the border

    And then the man answered, "No amigo, I'm just pleasing your mama"

    January 25, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  3. noolibs

    So now we have to pander to the illegals by the lib congress "looking" into this...it isn't any of the feds business! If the illegal taco's don't like it then leave...you won't see them teaching AMERICAN history in taco land...

    January 25, 2012 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      Next time you have a thought.... LET IT GO.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • lost in dallas

      @ noolibs – I think it's time to check in to your nearest behavioral health facility, I think your having a flare up.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Rochelle

    With our schools being so far behind some our foreign counterparts, shouldn't we teach the kids more math, science, & foreign languages? Aren't these books (Mexican/Asian/American – all ethnicities) something people can learn on their own time if they are truly interested?? Return the bookds to the library so that people can learn about different subjects of their choice – but as for classes – my kids better be taking AP math & science.

    And then the 99% group with college degrees in "Specialized Studies" wonder why they can't get a job & no one wants to pay them :/

    January 25, 2012 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paqrat137

      By that logic, do we then stop teaching music, art, physical education and anything that is not STEM – science, technology, engineering and math. Do we stop teaching classic literature, it doesn't help you get a job in a STEM society. How about history? What good is teaching that? I'm sorry to disagree with you, but well educated citizens are ones that know more about their surroundings, their culture and their relative place in the world – and that is not done through STEM teaching. I heard a report the other day about how even tech companies are now looking for liberal arts majors to work in them. Would you classify a liberal arts education as a waste of time?

      January 25, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Mexi

    Hispanic caucus would be better off examining reasons why mexicans have high crime rates and low school performance. This is just more grandstanding.

    January 25, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Unit34Ahunter

      That is the plain truth of it.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Jason K

    Let them protest when the students aren't failing out of Math, Science, History, and ENGLISH. If they want to study Mexico, the border isn't far to the south. I'm Native American, Irish, and Russian. I never complained because we didn't do an indepth study of the Bolshevik revolution, or of the border wars in Ireland, or even Native American history. I'm all about education, but schools need to prepare students to enter the world today. If they want specific studies like this, they need to be electives like Art or wood shop. They are not necessary to the educational core of an individual. They shouldn't be discouraged, but they shouldn't be manditory either.

    January 25, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
  7. real_personn

    There is an American school textbook spewing erroneous content- who knew???

    This article seems unfinished. All truth aside, what about other nationalities? There must be other minorities which were studied within the walls of Tucson’s ethnic studies programs that has been effected by this rulling?

    January 25, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Kumar

    JUst showing how liberals are destroying the education system by making Americans learn this junk.

    January 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      Maybe you should educate yourself before you post. The program was a voluntary program, not mandatory.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fred Evil

      @Kumar – Are you seriously THAT stupid?

      January 25, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Unit34Ahunter

    This is not properly within the DoJ's perview. Curriculum is the state's business, and defunding programs that promote ethnic nationalist propaganda is a proper and legitimate function of the state. TUSD is free to continue to perpetuate the radical propaganda, but they lose state funding if they do so.

    On the side, I have to laugh at the "Stolen from Mexico" types. Get a clue folks and look up who fired the first shots of the Mexican war, I also have to laugh at the Aztlan types. As soon as AZ becomes part of Mexico, there are about a million Native Americans who will do their best to drive out the Latinos.

    January 25, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • eldono

      This land we call America (the US) has been stolen from some group at every turn. The Spanish first stole the southwest from the Tribal peoples of the area, and then the European Americans in the name of the US stole it from Mexico. Everything has been stolen. Its the European heritage. Look at Africa and all of Latin America. What about what Spain did to the Incas and the Aztecs? The worst group by far are the Northern Europeans lead by the British.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Unit34Ahunter

        The US did not "steal" it from Mexico. You need to do some homework. Mexico started a war with the United States, then legally ceded authority over most of the southwest in the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The rest was legally sold by Mexico and purchased by the US in the subsequent Gadsden Purchase. The "chain of theft" you have described ended with the advent of US sovereignty over the area.

        January 25, 2012 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
  10. MartinezFromTucson

    What people are failing to understand, and what CNN fails to mention is that only Mexican-American Studies (MAS classes) were targeted. African-American and Asian-american classes are still taught here at TUSD. Only the MAS classes have been shutdown, and the books confiscated. MAS classes as well as African-American & Asian-American classes are ELECTIVE classes.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duane

      I think that is the point, the Mexican-American classes were not electives.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • David

        Wrong, it was a voluntary program.

        January 25, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Unit34Ahunter

      There is no actual DEPARTMENT of fill-in-the-blank-ethnicity Studies save MAS. Furthermore, MAS has a peculiar political agenda, largely involving the promotion of ethnocentrism and victim ID politics. That program is one of several reasons why my children in Tucson attend a Charter School.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Mexi

    Those who support the Balkinization of the US be careful what you wish for. Just look around the world and find one country where it has been a positive development..

    January 25, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Duane

    I have a very honest questions for those who think the United States should return California, Nevada, Arizona, etc back to Mexico. Let's say some huge miracle that did happen, then what? Tell me exactly how it helps you?
    Does it stop the drug violence, the poverty and the areas that has made Mexico a failure so far?
    I admit, growing up I used to have a huge respect for Mexico and the people there. I would travel most of the country every single year and made many friends. But the last 20 years I have seen such a decline and the people of Mexico have lost their will to fix their own issues or better themselves and expect a handout from the U.S.
    I have stopped going, and will never allow my kids to go until I see changes that promote positive influences again.
    So again I ask, and be honest with yourselves when you answer. If you got your way, then what?

    January 25, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Robocop

      What are you talking about?

      January 25, 2012 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • mannycl

      You are right. I am Hispanic but I do not expect to be taught history or things about my country, I live in the US and my concern should be anything that has to do withi thsi country period. It is a waste of time, money and worse, it creates a climate of division and confusion.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Vince

    Ethnic studies. My eyes roll at this stuff. I'm Hispanic and see such little value in these courses. It's all about celebrating the color of your skin. Doing exactly what we have condemned the Whites for doing for decades. The activists talk about being color blind, the melting pot, racial diversity on one hand. On the other hand the promote racial specific groups, classes, events, clubs, etc. It's hypocrisy of the highest order. You should talk to some of the professors that run these classes. OMG. Some of them are so in love with the color of their skin that it defies belief. The racial pride thing just goes over the top. I don't sit around thinking I'm better than anyone just because the color of my skin.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tim

      As one of those evil white people that most of these studies concentrate on, I completely agree with you. And from the national statistics, it appears that our kids are having too much difficulty mastering basic skills such as reading and math. You think with this national epidemic of stupidity and bad teaching occurring throughout the country, the students wouldn't be so concerned with the color of their skin or the skin of the kid next to them and more concerned that they are not prepared to operate a cash register by the time they graduate high school.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Martinez

        Tim-the cash register comment is hilarious! I hate going to any retail store or restaurant and getting the "deer in headlights look" And they get a job? And Im still unemployed? WTH? My wife says the Mexicans can never accomplish anything becuase they rule by consensus. And aside from all that-wasnt Mexico conquered multiple times? And now teenage Mexicans want to conquer Arizona? Too damn funny.

        January 25, 2012 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paqrat137

      An excellent comment. Having pride in your heritage is one thing, using it as a way to be "one-up" on anyone is another. But, unfortunately, you are in a minority of people who think. You see, it is a sad state of affairs as proven by some of the comments here, that white "Americans" have made, that they are guilty of the exact same thing you (and I) are concerned about in these "specific " studies. Perhaps there are more questions to be asked about how they got their views and values?

      January 25, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Martinez

      Well said my friend. The whole thing as I mentioned before is uneducated and immature. What could teenagers possibly know about anything? Or nutty professors? My best friend and stepdad are from mexico years ago and they think very little of their native land. What does that say about Mexico from the 60's to now? Culture has nothing to do with academics. Hear hear!

      January 25, 2012 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • dom

      I'd for one would like to learn about the chicano-hispanic-indigenous people who helped build this country. Current US history focuses on the mayflower and whites, i'm not white. Yet my bloodlines have been in the southwest since before the mayflower even landed. I'm American, and want to know how my cultural identify has helped build this country. Where do you suppose I get this?

      January 26, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
  14. golfer

    SPEAK ENGLISH, LEARN AMERICAN HISTORY OR GO BACK TO MEXICO.......THIS IS AMERICA, BORDERS, LANGUAGE, CULTURE........READ AMERICA'S HISTORY WITH WORLD HISTORY BUT DO NOT SET ASIDE LEARNING BECAUSE YOU ARE FROM SOME OTHER CULTURE.......DIVERSITY GONE MAD.......!!!! POLICITAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD......LIBERALS TRYING TO RUIN THIS GREAT COUNTRY........TYPICAL....THAT WHY THEY CALL SCHOOLS GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS.......TOO MANY DEMS TEACHING OUR CHILDREN !!

    January 25, 2012 at 12:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • W

      But this is American history. America's is a history of a diverse group of people migrating to a land filled wth opportunity for expansion and building a new future for one's self. There are parts of that history (fact based) that are not pretty and do not hold to our idealized version of events. As a specific example, a large part of our history was based upon European settlers coming to this land and dispelling the native people.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • mattyj

      How tragic that a post about education contains so much hatred and discrimination, all wrapped up in a painful mix of grammar issues and a broken caps lock...

      January 25, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • real_personn

        touché

        January 25, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • bearthw

      Thank you for all of the caps – without them I would have missed the point of your message.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Judas Priest

      CAPS LOCK... YOUR KRUZE KUNTROL 4 KEWL.. LISTEN 2 ME BCAUSE IM SHOUTING... LALALALALA...

      January 25, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Sniffit

    Held in storage since January 11th? Wow. I would have thought the racist pigs in AZX would have burned them by now. I guess they're not just bigots, but lazy too.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • golfer

      SNIFFIT,
      WHY IS IT WITH YOU LIBERALS ANYONE THAT HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION ABOUT SOCIAL ISSUES IS A RACIST......CONVENIENT INCORRECT USE OF THE TERM BY THE WAY..........JUST GO AWAY AND VOTE FOR OSAMA OBAMA AGAIN AND DO SOMETHING REALLY IDIOTIC.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • mattyj

        A different opinion doesn't make you a racist. Your racist opinion does.

        January 25, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Judas Priest

        I TYPE IN ALL CAPS THERFORE I IZ IMPURTUNT... LISTEN 2 ME CUZ IM SHOUTING... LALALALALALA...

        January 25, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Will

    I am a white guy from NYC who is a huge fan of the Latin culture. The music, the food, the women are second to none! In fact my wife is a Latina.But the problem with these ethnic studies is simple. They are racist, and promote false ideas of "Brown Power." This is dangerous on several levels, the first is that specifically Mexicans, the most numerous latin group in the country, are very well known to harbor some deep disrespect towards black people in western American states, and back home in Mexico. So, any class that gets them more fired up about their "raza" will only contribute to more hate crimes out west. Secondly, as I stated earlier, my wife is Latina. In fact, she is a medical student! Her and all her latin peers are all products of the NYC public school system. To date, there are no "Raza Studies" in the history of NYC public schools, and yet somehow, all of them are big successes in life! I think perhaps the students in Arizona and all Latino students in this country could benefit from Latin-American history classes, focussed on the rich diverse contributions of Whites, Native-Americans, and Blacks to "La Mezcla," this would be more accurate in it's depiction of their background. But "Raza" or "Race" classes promoting Brown (Indio) Power, is dangerous especially for the Mexican community here in this country. Instead of a hard working, God-fearing, positive people that we have now,"Raza" classes will only promote a newer, angrier, culture of exclusion, and a more docile generation of Latinos, perhaps more adept at contributing to the welfare state, and less so to the American state. It is my conlcusion that these classes are a step backwards for a community that has a bright future and has a reputation for being the least exclusive among races/ethnicities in the United States.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • golfer

      ALSO TRY TEACHING "CAUCASIZA" IN THE MEXICAN SCHOOL SYSTEM AND SEE HOW LONG THEY LET YOU DO THAT..........THINK ABOUT IT LIBS...............

      January 25, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Judas Priest

        LISSEN 2 ME CUZ I TIPE IN ALLCAPS... LALALALALA... THERE4 MY WORDZ IS IMPORTUNTER THEN YURS...

        January 25, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • golfer

      WILL,
      SORRY OOPS...ALMOST FORGOT, WELL SAID, AND GREAT POINTS IN YOUR COMMENTS.......

      January 25, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paqrat137

      Being an expatriot NYC'er (in exile below the Mason-Dixon line) myself, this whole argument is a bit foreign to us. We live in a city where the word "diversity" is not strange or forced. We ride the same subways, we commute on the same buses, stop to eat at the same luncheonettes, we went to school together, we contact all people and they are just that...people. As a product of the NYC public schools and CUNY I never heard the word diversity. It is sad, that when you leave New York, as I did, all of a sudden there is "forced diversity" studied as one would a rat in a biology course. We live in New York in a diverse city, there are good and bad people of all races, creeds and religions, and yet we just deal with one another. Leaving New York means leaving a place where tolerance is more the norm than the exception and where people have learned that good and bad is not a product of one's background, but a product of their education and personal feelings. I think New Yorkers are very lucky.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Robocop

      This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. What does banning books about history have to do with Mexicans hating black people? So if there is an African American studies class it's to instill the hate of any group that speaks Spanish? This is about education and history not about people hating another group. Since many of you who are writing are also uneducated many black people actually fled to Mexico to avoid persecution and they were welcomed. I don't care for Mexico but if a person is in the USA legally and choses to learn something about another culture it should not be against the law what is this "1984"? Since many of you do not read "1984" is a book.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Will

        It's not a history class when it's called "raza" studies. "Raza" literally means "Race" in spanish. However, only Mexicans use the term to conceptualize this idea of "Brown Power." In cities like Los Angeles, "Brown Power" is responsible for the systematic targeting of innocent black civilians who cross into hispanic neighborhoods (barrio) that are run by dangerious gangs. Their motivation is to protect their "tierra" or land, and to keep the "Raza" pure. Also, as an aside, Mexico is less than 2% black. A typical Mexican is mixed with European and Native-American blood, and nothing else. Here's a link to a NYT article explaining the problem. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/us/17race.html

        January 25, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • dom

      Good for her! Really, as a hispanic/indigenous person i'm so proud to hear that there are successes in our culture. One question though, why not ask her to name a handful of influential and important latino/hispanic/indigenous people in US history. don't google it, off the top of her head. I bet she can't name more than well, maybe one. thats the point.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Will

        You make a good point. But I offered a solution above.

        January 26, 2012 at 11:34 pm | Report abuse |
  17. PureVT

    I am all for the study of mexican heritage, english heritage, and any other heritage as a part of school. What bothers me about these classes, is the content that has been reported, and the way it works to make young minds think all the problems of mexican people's is the fault of the USA. There are several reports of the teachers inciting the children to rebel against the government, and more specifically the "white" people in power. That is racist and should not be allowed in school. What they should have is a class that covers "the america's north/central/south" and include mexico as one part of the class with Factual historical information.
    Given the path these classes appear to take, they should be banned, or at the very least taught objectively by a Non mexican teacher and see how much racial slant we get then. All illegal aliens regardless of country of origin, or age, should be sent back, no exceptions. Follow the rules to get here, or stay there!!!

    January 25, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Sy2502

    How about teaching useful stuff that gets students jobs?

    January 25, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • mattyj

      Education is not job training. It is of the upmost importance that these concepts not be confused!

      January 25, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Paqrat137

    The American/Canadian expat community of Mexico is one of the largest in the world. You have got to ask yourself why? Why are American citizens choosing to leave and re-settle there? Seems the American public have a pretty one dimensional picture of Mexico, it's citizens and their lives. It is all burros, tequila, sombreros and such. Many of the doctors we have int he US were educated in Guadalajara's universities and hospitals. Your cars are made in Mexico. There was advanced civilization there before Europeans set foot on this continent.

    But, I agree...we tend, in this country to hyphenate our citizenry and that is wrong...we are all Americans PERIOD, with different cultural backgrounds. I mean, what are blacks called in France: African-French, no, they are French who happen to be black. Saying this, it is our duty to teach our children about all the people who are Americans, if only to curtail, early on, the racism and discrimination they will be exposed to as they grow up, that includes the contributions of the Chinese, Mexicans, Irish, Germans, English, French, Catholics, Muslim and Jews. Educate the children, let them see what each has contributed to their country, then maybe a question such as this will not be a question in another 30 years. We are all Americans..teach that.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave in Portland

      Oh No!! Then you would be taking away their way of justifying their racism towards both whites and blacks. The Mexicans don't want to be American. They want to create another Mexico within the U.S. borders. They do not want to assimilate. They want everything the way it was back home, except under better conditions. This is going to get messy eventually I fear.

      January 25, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Pwhat

    And lets add courses and qualified instructors for every ethnic and racial group on earth. The fewer there are of each group in a school, the more they fit into minority status, and so the more special attention should be given to the cause of their equal treatment.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sannate

      What an unbelievably STUPID idea!!!

      January 25, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • OverYourHead

        That's exactly the point Pwhat was trying to make.

        January 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave in Portland

      Exactly. I want a study for my exact mix of ethnicities, as there can't be more than one of ME, which makes ME the most special minority of all. Power to ME!!

      *sigh*

      January 25, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Sacredluna

    It is just amazing that there is still so much hatred for our differences which is evident on many of these posts. The Spanish and English were illegals and didn't come with "papers" and took over land that was NOT there's to begin with. So who are the real illegals here?

    I hope to God that none of you naysayers ever need help from the government or from someone not of your ethnic background. Most people come here looking for a better life to escape their corrupt governments but all they are finding is more doors slamming in their face because God deemed them born somewhere other then our country. By the way, did you know Jesus was from the Middle East and not born in a White Northern European country? Hope you don't ask him for papers when he comes around.

    Signed,
    A woman of Mexican, Spanish, French, German and Native American descent.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Danny

      The silly argument people without a real argument like to make.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      >because God deemed them born somewhere other then our country

      So you think you know better than 'god' now? This is all part of your 'gods' plan isn't it?

      January 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Historymajor

    My grandparents came here to this country too. My grandpa was a professor & grandma was a elementary school teacher. They taught me the history about america along with my parents from the house. American history isn't just european its many things because more than one group of people make up the US. I think all the history should be taught in schools so kids don't grow up ignorant and simple minded like their parents and grandparents.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • David in Corpus

      Your right. White folks gave up their power to rule during the sixties. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Ethnicity is the driving force behind power. Study history and you will see that a multi-ethnic empire (notice I didn't use the word nation, nations are territories ruled by a super majority of one ethnicity) never lasts and when it falls it falls for good. Sorry white folks, but in your attempt to make everyone 'feel good' equal you gave up the reins of power and will become slaves to another ethnicity sooner rather than later. You can thank the hippies amongst your ethnicity for this. Have a nice day soon to be dead or enslaved anglos.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Hence21

        wow, do you really believe that or are you just an idiot?

        January 25, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • real_personn

        Hate much?

        January 25, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Judas Priest

        Golly gee. Perhaps we should return to the "good ol days" of ethnic purity and fascism.

        January 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dave in Portland

        You forget that white people as well as black control the military and most of the police departments.
        You forget that the good ole boy rednecks own a LOT of guns.
        You forget that most of the police officers in this country are either black or white.

        None of those groups like Mexicans very much. Enjoy your ascension. It's going to hurt.

        January 25, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
  23. boo down boo

    I dont see anything wrong with having Mexican studies as an option as long as American history and culture is first on the learning list with Mexican studies as an extra throw in.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Derek

      CNN, as usual, has left quite a bit out of the story. The state has ruled the class illegal. The class was not a benign elective...

      At the end of December 2011, Judge Kowal released a decision that TUSD's ethnic studies program was in violation of state law.

      "The assertion that TUSD's Mexican American Studies Program was designed and implemented only to promote cultural diversity and a greater understanding of the role of Mexican Americans in this nation is inaccurate and incomplete," Huppenthal stated today. "Tucson Unified School District's Mexican American Studies Program courses, curriculum and classroom materials have been found to (1) promote resentment toward a race or class of people; (2) be designed primarily for the pupils of a particular ethnic group; and (3) advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."

      That sounds.... bad.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • TruthHasBegun

      Sounds like you are a full member of the invasion

      January 25, 2012 at 12:37 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Bob

    "I was asked to focus on a chapter dealing with 'the mysterious disappearance of the O'odam people'" – says Gonzalez, except that NO SUCH TEXTBOOK EXISTS. The Hia C-ed O'odham are not recognized by the US government, but the Tohono O'odham are.

    Isn't it nice how this fake "teacher" gets away with lying and CNN won't bother to fact-check her?

    January 25, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Danny

    The mexican-American studies textbook had only one page with just one word on it; Falure

    January 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Americans?

    I'm amazed at the ignorance coming from the people posting comments here. What is going on in Arizona is the beginning of the removal of US history as seen fit by racist Americans. In Arizona Mexican-American history is systematically being erased just like they are trying to erase Black history in Tennessee. This countries history is not the greatest, it did horrible things to many people, that can not be simply erased. As soon as Americans understand that and accept this country is not perfect and accept that it's history includes people of all ethnic backgrounds and that the perspective of those peoples is different than the traditional happy pilgrims who came to a new land to make friends, we can move forward. Mexican-American history is essential, just as is African-American history, Irish-American history, Native American history, Chinese-American history, European-American history etc...it is important to learn from these groups and learn their American experience through their eyes, not through the filtered eyes of those who see American history as perfect and America as never doing anything wrong.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thedude

      Agreed, No country on this planet can claim from the perspective of history that its hands are clean. Bad things happened and no one can change that. But it would be a giant waste for no one to ever learn from those bad mistakes. Do we want them to be swept under the rug only to be repeated? This is what happens when ignorance is the rule of the land.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Unit34Ahunter

      Actually, in Arizona what is happening is the elimination of a racist and factually incorrect version of history. Nothing about the agenda of MAS in Tucson was predicated on a concern for facts.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Rob

    OMG – having Americans learn about other cultures and perhaps hearing a viewpoint other than the "USA IS NUMBER 1" point of view?

    We can't have that sort of stuff going on in American – USA, USA, USA

    January 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave in Portland

      Did you even read the article? Have you researched the class? It wasn't a history class. It was a "You're better than white people, defy the white government, take over the white culture, down with the white man" class.

      Ignorant moron.

      January 25, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kelly

      OMG, another ignorant post.. Read the article and/or the books used in the class...

      January 25, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Lila

    Ridiculous. I'm all for diversity in studies, but actual Mexican-American classes and books? It should be in the same category as women studies, AA, etc..Keep in mind, Mexico was just another European colony, technically the information that would be the most interesting would be about the Natives of that region.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
  29. James

    Sounds like an elective class only, not a core curriculum, why not teach it as such.
    As for the state issued book, find people competent in gathering knowledge to write the thing

    January 25, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Derek

      CNN, as usual, has left quite a bit out of the story. The state has ruled the class illegal. Why?

      At the end of December 2011, Judge Kowal released a decision that TUSD's ethnic studies program was in violation of state law.

      "The assertion that TUSD's Mexican American Studies Program was designed and implemented only to promote cultural diversity and a greater understanding of the role of Mexican Americans in this nation is inaccurate and incomplete," Huppenthal stated today. "Tucson Unified School District's Mexican American Studies Program courses, curriculum and classroom materials have been found to (1) promote resentment toward a race or class of people; (2) be designed primarily for the pupils of a particular ethnic group; and (3) advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."

      That sounds.... bad.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
  30. Jim

    So if the US returns New Mexico, Arizona and most of California (fiscally and intellectually bankrupted) to Mexico then we'll be all square? Where do I sign?

    It's obvious the more the Mexican inhabitants enter these area, the more these areas degrade into er. well Mexico. Corrupt politics, bankrupt medical systems and schools, grinding poverty, etc.

    If Mexicans think they're poverty and poor leadership is due to the US "stealing" territory in the 19th Century then they are delusional.

    Does any intellectually honest Mexican REALLY think the 20th Century economic wonder that was California would have occurred under Mexican hegemony? Really?

    We all get the government we deserve. That applies to to success as well. The centuries long Mexican Failure is a result of poor leadership. A leadership that is chosen by the ruled. Mexico was not forced into poverty because of Guadalup Hidalgo. It forced into poverty and corruption by poor decisions of Spaniards, Frenchmen and Mexicans.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • retfed

      These states were offered to Mexico and they REFUSED to take them in the 1800's. So now they want them back? After the few Americans move out, those former states will be as poor as Mexico is now. We should also be absolved of all support to the remaining people, illegals etc. Hey wouldn't that be a win-win situation??

      January 25, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Report abuse |
  31. MLZ

    If we're going to have Mexican studies, then we need Canadian and Native American studies as well. I'm all for adding more learning experiences in the classroom, and the American education system SHOULD properly educate its citizens about those who live within our country as well as those who live above and below us. Or (insert whine here) is that too much work?

    January 25, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • IOP

      They are banning Native American authors as well.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
  32. cj

    Educate Americans, yes, Mexico sounds like such a highly advanced place. Blaming Americans for your dug wars is misplacing your own immoral behavior. I guess decapitating children and adults, dumping their dismembered bodies at schools and in public places is the behavior of an intelligent society. Mexico City is the most polluted city n the world, yes, very intelligent. The most untapped natural resources exist in Mexico but remain unused. Mexico is the most overweight country in the world. It's not Americans saying this, it's the WHO. I don't think you travel as much as you claim, or you just go places where they naturally hate Americans, but I have travelled all over and I find most people to be receptive to Americans. Let go of your hate. Personally, I think Mexico would be better off today if the US ran it. There seems to be some culture envy going on there, for why do so many of these people come to America? My family is part Native American, part european. We fought for the Us and some died for the US, and although I don't agree with everything the government does, we are truly a free society that cares about our standard of living, getting a sound education, and moving forward.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave in Portland

      Thank you. Why would anyone want to glorify Mexican heritage? I mean sure, there are some very pretty areas in Mexico and a lot of Mexican women are freaking hot, but overall their culture is a cesspit. If it wasn't, why would so many of them be trying to escape?

      January 25, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Thedude

    Just stop it! Everyone! I'm sick of this crap, the racism, the hate, the misguided perspectives. History is just that "History" Learn it, understand it, but don't pretend you can change or undo it. Learn from it to move forward. All of us of, Mexican, European, Asian, African descent are not the people from history, we are something completely different. The world has changed and so must we. Trying to reignite old feuds and turn back time is destructive and unproductive, understanding and knowledge are the path to enlightenment.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duane

      Yes because you said so we will all be quiet now.....

      January 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thedude

        Clearly you have missed my point entirely, perhaps you should work on your own education before condemning others for wanting to enrich their own lives through education.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brad

      Very well said, something I've thought for a long time also.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave in Portland

      Duane, are you twelve? I'm only asking because your response indicated a maturity level lower than I would expect to see on a message board. Therefore, I assume you are either very young or you are mentally challenged.

      No? neither of those? Ah well, I guess you are just stupid. My mistake.

      January 25, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Paul R.

    Check every pone of these kids' IDs and send them back if they're illegal. End of marching, end of problem. How dare you illegals march in a country that's not yours and in which you have no right to be!!!

    January 25, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Historymajor

      They have every right to be here as you me & others. Don't you consider the europeans as illegals on how they just took the land from the native americans. An this is 3rd grade history as ignorant as you are you probably don't even have a GED but we took the land which is now California, Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico from the spanish in the early 1800's learn your history before you talk.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Brad

        Actually, we took Texas, bought the rest. Considering Spaniards stole it from Natives, then we stole it from the Spaniards, the Spaniards really have no right to be mad at us. They lost fair and square. Also, Texas and the rest of the states are beyond lucky that we are not part of Mexico, yuck, could you imagine? We would be dirt poor, run by drug lords, and very polluted. Ahhh, it's great to be a citizen of the USA, way better then being a Mexican or any other 3rd world citizen.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • colonialgirl

        Hello. Land being "taken" and exchanged as the spoils of war, just like war itself, is an ugly part of HUMAN history, not just European. Being a pacifist, I find war, all wars reprehensible. However, like it or not, it's part of history. Mexico lost some territory in a war. MEXICO WAS THEN PAID $15 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE LAND – it was NOT just "taken." I have no problem with Mexican-American studies UNLESS they teach resentment and hatred toward the very people who created the honorable, generous society in which they partake. HOW DOES THAT PROMOTE "UNITY?" Please. Thank you. PEACE.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sacredluna

      How dare you! Everyone was once an illegal. Maybe we should send YOU and your blood to where you all came from!

      January 25, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • colonialgirl

        Hello. Emotional issue I know. However, in order for an action to be "illegal" there must be laws in place to be violated. In the 1600's, there WERE NO BORDERS AND NO LAWS RESTRICTING ENTRANCE. Native Indians DID NOT HAVE BORDERS AS WE KNOW THEM. Therefore, the colonists could not possibly have violated borders or laws THAT DID NOT EXIST. Please. This is 2012, NOT 1612, 1712 or 1812. Let's concentrate on HOW WE CAN CREATE HARMONY TODAY instead of re-hashing the past endlessly. Please. PEACE.

        January 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Charles

      The "everyone was once illegal" red herring is tired and just plain dumb. There was no country when Europeans arrived. There were multiple different Indian nations with different cultures and languages, who often warred with each other over territory. When it was convenient for them, they had the white men help them against their enemies.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
  35. LeRoy

    You live in the U S, You study the U S. My folk came from Europe. They learned to speak ENGLISH, and spoke it in public.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sara

      In US schools, we learn about European history. Why are you so afraid of students learning about the histories of other places and cultures, in addition to English and European history. I wish I had learned more about other countries as well instead of being constantly drilled lies about Columbus etc. I also appreciate learning about my very own country as well. What is wrong with making the books accessible to students who want to learn more about their cultures IF the books do not promote bigotry. I know. Keep people ignorant and they will be more docile, right? Not true.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • billme

        The issue is not about teaching Mexican history. Its about a racist curriculum that was being taught in Tuscon schools. There is nothing wrong with teaching Mexican History in US schools. I took Russian History when I was in high school and and World History.

        January 25, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Darth Cheney

      But their story is part of the US, too. What you're really saying is they should only study the pieces of US history that you personally are comfortable with.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
  36. Ed Sr of Dallas Tx

    WHY! This is America and not Mexico! If the students want Mexican studies, have them go back to Mexico! When in Rome, do as the Romans do!

    January 25, 2012 at 12:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • DonJose

      Interesting idea. Do you think that Jewish students ought to go back to Israel and African American students ought to go back to Africa? And, if you are not a Native American, where should you go?

      January 25, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • Charles

        Native Americans should go back to Asia where they came from. But they're probably too drunk to walk.

        January 25, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dave in Portland

        Thank you Charles. No humans actually originated on this continent. Therefore, the claim that "we were here first" can be met with "yes, but we had guns".

        January 25, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
  37. cj

    Great, so the goal is to breed and breed so you can take over by shear numbers. Wow, that's such a plan. That way the US will someday wallow in third world status just as Mexico does now. Why don't Mexican people change their own government and make their country a better place. I think their is some envy going on there since the US has built itself up and Mexico has not. YOU get the government you ask for and Mexico has a corrupt government that is enabled by their people. BTW, the US paid Mexico for that land even though we won it in a war, so get your facts straight, or do YOU paint history the way you want it. Or maybe we raze California, Arizona, N Mexico to the ground and give it back. The infrastructure, technology, and modern advances were put there by Americans and belong to them. Before all of that, the land was barren wasteland, which is what it will return to in the hands of Mexicans. One only has to look at Mexico today to see this.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nora

      But you have to acknowledge that when the US bought or took or whatever, that great piece of land, they also took as well as the names (California, Nevada, Arizona, etc), all the people that lived in that territory. And that people reproduced, and will keep on reproducing, so just accept that.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Judas Priest

      Have you ever actually been to Mexico?
      Do you actually know anyone from Mexico?
      Mexico is a pretty big and diverse country. The interior is very different from the border. Most of the country, particularly on the coasts and towards the south, are abundant, covered in rain forests and croplands.
      Mexican people are pretty much like any other people around the world. Some are terrific, some are horrible, and the vast majority are just people. Mexico has a rich tradition of literature, music, and the arts.
      You are judging an entire country based on what you've seen on street corners and TV. This is about as valid as judging white America solely on trailer parks, pop music and NASCAR. Because after all, not all white Americans are ignorant, reactionary, uncultured trailer trash... are they?

      January 25, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Who cares

    Grow the F&^K up..

    January 25, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Ellen

    My grandparents came legally to the U.S. from Europe. I did not and do not demand Swiss-American History or Irish-Welsh-American History. If history of a bordering country (Canada and Mexico) is taught in high school, I think that's fine. I have relatives who come from Michigan and Minnesota where a lot of Finnish immigrants settled – do they demand Finnish-American history to be taught? Some cultures have done a better job of melting in the melting pot, upholding their traditions while assimilating into the national citizenship of their adopted country. As each generation makes the United States their home, we must use our school system to teach American History along with aspects of World History. The public school system used to be part of what created the common ground of understanding what it means to be an American. There are a lot of Candians who come to the U.S. – do they demand Canadian-American history to be taught in American schools??? Most countries emphasize their own history in their education systems. World History classes often don't come into play until college, unless kids also get a broad survey course which usually emphasizes Europe/Asia/Middle East. The world is a big place, and when we study other countries, they can all get their segment. Perhaps a Legal Immigration course would be helpful to all concerned, particularly in the border states.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • beansht

      THANK you. If these protesters want MEXICAN studies GO BACK TO MEXICO and come back after you finish studying there.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duane

      Very well said Ellen. Although I took what you said to be impartial, fair and equitable there are people who see this way of thinking as racist. They cannot see past their own hatred to understand that this is about being fair for everyone, not just a select few. Very well written on your part, thank you.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Carmen Gutierrez

      Ellen,
      Your parents land was not taken by the United States illegally.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • H in Texas

        You see?????????? Wake up people!!!! While you are busy playing politically correct, there is an entire population that wants nothing more than to "take back what is rightfully theirs". There is a strong contingent that wants to return the Southwest of the US to Mexico. This class that was removed also taught this idea to its students, hence why it was cancelled. This is not as simple as race.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Prodigy

        Sorry Carmen, but we didn't "steal" the land. After the war, we bought it (for a cheap price). Mexico had a crushing amount of debt owed to private American citizens at the time. They didn't have the money, but they had tons of land. The total amount of land we purchased contained less than 1% of Mexico's population at the time and if you really dive into the history of the matter, it's interesting because a large majority of those people supported the purchase and were in favor of American administration.

        Also, unless you're 100% Native Mexican Indian, YOU stole that land as well using your augment. I don't remember the Spanish buying the land from the natives either before the state of Mexico.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nora

      Yes, but your family wasn't invaded, they came on their own. A large percentage of the population in these territory isn't illegal as some of you claim, they used to live there generation after generation, it just happens that they were absorbed by the US, there are a lot of native americans that have the right to read abut their land and ancestors. And it is american history, they have to teach how they got that land and how was it before!!!!

      January 25, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Judas Priest

      You're right, it would. However what these students are protesting is the removal of material they were previously being taught. Canadians don't have to protest about Canadian studies, because that is not being removed from the classes– yet. But consider for a moment how hard it would be to teach about the formation of the united States without being able to talk about the French and Indian war, for instance.
      I've lived in Texas. Fascinating state. It used to be part of Mexico, and fought a war against it for independence. Later, the united States fought another war against Mexico to keep territory that was part of Texas and New Mexico. Don't you think that Mexican history has some bearing here?
      In the past, US. schools taught about all the kinds of people that make up America. Modern America is a 99+ % immigrant culture; if you're not a Native American (Red Indian to most Europeans), you came from somewhere else at some point. We used to think it was worth the time to learn at least a little bit about where America came from, and where, and what, America is now. Now, we apparently don't care where we came from, or where we are going.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Arizonagirl

    What about English as a SECOND language?? Yes, schools in AZ actually teach English as a second language and Mexican(Spanish) as the first. These Mexican studies are taught not just as a PART of American History, but primarily just studies about Mexico. Just because we are a border state doesn't mean we are not a part of the AMERICAN United States! Teach American History as it is supposed to be taught!!!!!

    January 25, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Guyfawkes2012

      If you mean American History, it would be North American History which incorporates Canada and Mexico as well. History of the United States is vast and diverse which should be taught in schools. United States did steal the territories from Mexican American Citizens and this needs to be taught as much as Slavery, Trail of Tears, etc. History is taught so that we may not repeat our mistakes. Don't mistake ignorance for national pride.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Judas Priest

      Genius, ESL is not "English second, Spanish first". ESL classes are TO LEARN ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Darth Cheney

      Wow – paranoid much. The S in ESL does not mean inferior, it means second in the context of these children FIRST acquired Spanish and now need to acquire skills in English. It really comes down to you not understanding that second comes after first – unbelievable.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
  41. VivaMexico77

    Viva Mexico

    January 25, 2012 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Duane

      Proud of it why would you be here?

      January 25, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Agent 77

    Educate yourselves a little more. This land was once owned by Mexico until the US annexed it with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo 1848. But we were here first and who was the illegal then. All of you ignorant people. Its a matter of time before we take back what was once ours. Anyhow well see in 20 years what happens just look at Los Angeles, texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Chicago and see that little by little we are growing and expanding.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Mandie

      Thank you! So sick of people acting like this. They are people just like us.. looking for the American dream. People need to grow up.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        As you write, the "American" dream. Not the Mexican-American dream.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      Maybe these states and the country will be overrun. But I like to remember my experience living in Dallas...I learned early on not to live anywhere with a large Mexican population or where they were/are moving. Next thing we know there are 10 people in a 3 bedroom house, cars in the lawn, screaming kids at night, laundry hanging out to dry on trees, etc. Nothing to call the cops about, but just low-class living at it's best. Admittedly not different than most trailer parks that are largely white, but I don't want to live there either.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Martinez

      In response to agent 77. "Educate yourselves a little more." As I illustrated a couple of days ago, teenage immigrants and/or first born are immature and dont know what they're talking about. Neither do you. What was Arizona before Mexico? Anwser that and then talk to those people whose land was taken from them and conquered and assimilated etc. We can go way back in history if you need to.
      And to support this the following was taken from this forum also: So listen and learn: "-"CJ- All these people making claims about Arizona, California, N. Mexico belonging to Mexico before the US taking it is true, but "Mexico" as a country did not exist until the Spanish arrived and unified it under its control. We fought a war with Mexico and won it, plain and simple. The Mexican people fought a war with Spain and won it, thereby throwing out the Spanish just as Americans did the British, so by this argument, Mexico should give itself back to Spain. Point is, this is all ancient history now and we are born into new countries with laws and borders that are defined politically and recognized by the entire world. Americans don't cry that they lost land in the war of 1812 and europeans don't cry that that lost land in America."

      And as far as taking over the United States as you propose, youre just talking nonsense. Who are you really trying to impress? I live in one of those aforementioned cities and you are wrong. The ignorant underclass uneducated immigrants from your country are mostly fine, but have not assimilated to ours. Period. Everyone else has.. They come here and dont complain.

      Finally, and I mean this with all due respect, because you are passionate in your thinking but misguided, why are all the educated Mexicans in Mexico? Why are all the others here? Therein lies my answer friend. Your power people are the ones who you need to talk to in Mexico. I cannot go to Poland and tell them to teach American studies, and someone from Malaysia cannot go to Egypt and demand their studies be followed.

      Focus on true academics and save the culture stuff for outside forums.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sara

      Those (I'm sure, most) in Chicago, California, New York etc. are not rushing to move to Mexico and neither will want those states to be joined with Mexico, though they may still have pride in their roots.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:37 pm | Report abuse |
  43. cj

    All these people making claims about Arizona, California, N. Mexico belonging to Mexico before the US taking it is true, but "Mexico" as a country did not exist until the Spanish arrived and unified it under its control. We fought a war with Mexico and won it, plain and simple. The Mexican people fought a war with Spain and won it, thereby throwing out the Spanish just as Americans did the British, so by this argument, Mexico should give itself back to Spain. Point is, this is all ancient history now and we are born into new countries with laws and borders that are defined politically and recognized by the entire world. Americans don't cry that they lost land in the war of 1812 and europeans don't cry that that lost land in America.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
  44. EducateAmericans

    I simply cannot understand the anger for Mexicans . They do your hard labor, put food on your tables by farming it, and yet all you have to say is "Get Out, this is my country." Being that the massive influx of Mexican Americans began when the drug violence began to escalate as well. Which is amazing to me that no one has brought that up. But that's what Americans do best, edit the facts to fit their means right. Isn't that how you invaded Iraq and exactly how you're going to try to go to war with Iran. Mexico's drug problem is a direct result of AMerican consumerism. And yet no one cares to mention that.
    Should there be a course on Mexican-American studies–hell yes. But you can't rely on your public education system. It's a joke. Most of the people on this site are ignorant products of your public education and feel that it has sufficed their needs in life. You don't live on an Island, there are so many cultures that have influenced your nation, one of them being Mexico. Mexico is a stunningly beautiful place, if you have ever visited, and the people are kind and charismatic. Just because it is uncomfortable for you to see changing colors in your neighborhood, is as uncomfortable as they are knowing that their son/daughter/mother/father/uncle/aunt died on the streets because Americans wanted drugs.
    I despise Americans, as most of the world does. Just because the world is laughing at you doesn't mean you should try harder to be American. It's failed you!! The government is Anti-American. Just look at how you're treated. And Mexican immigration is the slowest it's ever been because no one wants to go now!! Americans are ignorant, poor, middle class morons with little hope for a decent future. ANd the first thing that needs to go is your public education system! They teach you about how great america is and yet fail to emphasize how many people you murdered in the process, the land was stolen from Native Americans and Mexico! What is it that you have to be proud of. Your history was embellished and you're happy that this class was banned when the teacher says her book (mandated to teach) just said that Oodam indians were exitinct!! When she had two in her class. That's Americans-rewriting history. Screwing up poor kids. Good luck Americans. We all know you have big balls, unfortunately you don't have the brains to match. I have been to Mexico city and have met more educated, random people, than the random Americans I've met. Funny isn't it.
    –Norwegianman–

    January 25, 2012 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Danny

      Yes, mexico has a large high tech industry, many Noble prize winners, world class universities that people from all over the world want to come to, and such a great economy that mexicans risk death to come the US. Get a clue.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris Honry

      So funny, Norwegian man! Check out your country- what 3 million people? You've got a few thousand Iraqi immigrants you let in and they f'ing up your country killing/robbing your people! Get a clue, GFY, then come back when you've fixed your own tiny immigration problem LOL

      January 25, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        Agreed. Some cultures can only get one thing right – how to f up a place as fast as possible. Mexicans, Iraqis, etc. Squander the natural resources and then run for help.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paqrat137

      The American/Canadian expat community of Mexico is one of the largest in the world. You have got to ask yourself why? Why are American citizens choosing to leave and re-settle there? Seems the American public have a pretty one dimensional picture of Mexico, it's citizens and their lives. It is all burros, tequila, sombreros and such. Many of the doctors we have int he US were educated in Guadalajara's universities and hospitals. Your cars are made in Mexico. There was advanced civilization there before Europeans set foot on this continent.

      But, I agree...we tend, in this country to hyphenate our citizenry and that is wrong...we are all Americans PERIOD, with different cultural backgrounds. I mean, what are blacks called in France: African-French, no, they are French who happen to be black. Saying this, it is our duty to teach our children about all the people who are Americans, if only to curtail, early on, the racism and discrimination they will be exposed to as they grow up, that includes the contributions of the Chinese, Mexicans, Irish, Germans, English, French, Catholics, Muslim and Jews. Educate the children, let them see what each has contributed to their country, then maybe a question such as this will not be a question in another 30 years. We are all Americans..teach that.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Chris Honry

    WHAT DEFINES ME? (the question of this BLOG) I AM AN AMERICAN ! Not Mexi, not Afri, not any PRE fix, just AMERICAN. I am part of America- I don't consider myself special or feel I have to push my ethnic heritage (Northern European) on anyone or label myself.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:56 am | Report abuse |
  46. Danny

    Here is some Mexican-American history. Over 50% of prisoners in Federal prison these days are latino, most of them mexicans.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Jilin

      Irrelevant and uninformed Danny.

      127,586 inmates are WHITE 59% of the inmate population. 74,931 are Hispanic/Latino that's 34.6%....which is less than you claimed in your b.s. statement of statistics. Also 73% of inmates have U.S. citizenship and only 18.6% have Mexican Citizenship. Study up brother.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Charles

        You tell him to study up after you say 73% is white and 18.6% is Mexican. That's 101.6%.

        January 25, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jilin

        Ummm...Charles, you can't be that uneducated can you? Last time I checked they add up to 91.6% and I NEVER SAID 73% were White, I said had U.S. citizenship! ARE ONLY WHITE PEOPLE U.S. CITIZENS? Seriously? -__-

        January 25, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Danny

      I wrote Federal prison and yes over 50% are latino. You can write what you want, won't change the facts.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jilin

        There's actually more Whites & Blacks in the prison system than Hispanics. Luckily, I'm Asian, and my people are hardly represented in prison statistics, ha.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Danny

      Jilin, the statistics you quot are for people who have been convicted. The 50% includes people yet to be tried and was a headline on CNN a couple of months ago.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jilin

        Why include those waiting to be tried? They aren't part of the system...just yet. Once they are, if they are, then we can make my stats irrelevant.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Road

    Why all the Crying about the damn books? get on the computers and D/Led the damn thing Idiots..i just don't understand people..of course that would not get you in the news were implying that the school board is Racists Will

    January 25, 2012 at 11:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Phil Hansen

      Just part of Arizona's racist agenda against Mexicans and Indians. Taking books out of a school??? That's a Nazi tactic. Shutting down classes because they don't agree with the state agenda is vile...in America. Home of the brave and land of the free and 300 million immigrants.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
  48. SPARKY

    awesome, a walkout!
    face south and walk – don't stop until you get home

    January 25, 2012 at 11:47 am | Report abuse |
    • InFormed99

      Nice. Maybe you should head East and go back home to Europe. This is not your land. It never was.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:54 am | Report abuse |
      • Chris Honry

        Never was yours either- you speak Spanish cuz your great great great grandmami got raped by a European – a A SPANIARD.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
  49. History Bear

    We do a poor job of teaching American history. ANd yes, many text books are poorly written or have an agenda other than facts. BUT come on people.... despite all the third world wishers this is still America. Hispanic- particulary spanish- contributions are an important part of US history, but lets get our NATIONAL history and geography down first, and then cultural specific can be studied in College. American taxpayers are paying for this, Not Mexican.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
    • sarah

      Mexican-American taxpayers are paying for their schools. Shouldn't their children learn that Arizona was once a part of Mexico? Shouldn't they learn that they are not the descendants of illegal immigrants as so many of the ignorant automatically assume? If it was a largely Asian community, I wouldn't be troubled if they also focused on the contributions of Asians or how and why Asians came to this country. Nor would I think it strange if African-American communities studied the same sort of thing.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • J

        I wasn't aware that there were any mexican-American tax payers. They're all pretty heavy into the other side of that spectrum.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Er

    K pasa amego...ha ha ha....walk across the border where u come from

    January 25, 2012 at 11:42 am | Report abuse |
  51. Danny

    Surprising that some mexicans actually attend school.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Darkman

      They get free lunches.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Jilin

    It amazes me how this can spark so much racism. I think the books should be returned to the schools, students have the right to an education, and the right to choose what they wish to learn. The money has been spent on it, and if there's a will to learn, why lock up resources in a depository? Mexican studies are important in Arizona, since Mexican history is intertwined with the state's history. You can't just ignore the hundreds of years under which today's Arizona was under Spanish colonial, and later on Mexican rule.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Danny

      Total nonsense. HS is publicly funded and is designed to treat the future workforce. It is not for the students to choose.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:38 am | Report abuse |
      • Jilin

        Well, if the public funds it, why not have the right to choose where your funds go to? What is nonsense is your narrow minded response, trying to justify this insult to education.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:42 am | Report abuse |
    • H in Texas

      These books and courses promoted the overthrow of the US government. It had little to do with race and everything to do with subversive agendas. If the class had stuck to the history of prominent members of the Latino community that helped make America great and not on how the South of the US was really Mexico and they were going to take it back, then there would not be an issue. Please don't fall into the trap of simply labeling anything as a race issue.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
      • Jilin

        I actually wasn't labeling the subject matter of the article as a race issue. I was speaking about the comment section specifically. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I don't believe the content in the books is subversive towards the U.S. I'm very sure Mexican-Americans would not want to "return" Arizona to Mexico. Who really would want to downgrade to the third-world? It's just a matter of wanting to learn how Mexico shaped the U.S.

        Also, I am not of Mexican heritage. I am of Filipino-Chinese descent.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:46 am | Report abuse |
      • H in Texas

        Read the linked article as to why the class and books were removed. They WERE teaching that the Southwest of the US is part of Mexico and will be rightfully returned to Mexico. That is exactly why this all happened. It is sad to say but true. Yes they do want to do exactly that.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Noocrat

        "These books and courses promoted the overthrow of the US government."

        Now there's some Texas nonsense. Your state of rejects has already started rewriting American Revolutionary War and Founding Father history to fit Texas "vision" of what it was. (Namely because the GOP hates Thomas Jefferson)

        Please don't go making up any other "facts".

        January 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • H in Texas

        Really Noocrat??? Any other prejudice remarks you would like to make?? This is from the article linked to in this article. If you had bothered graduating from the 3rd grade and actually learned to read you would have read the referenced article which contained the following statement:

        That order followed a December administrative law ruling that the program was teaching "in a biased, political and emotionally charged manner," and upheld a state finding that it violated a 2010 law that bans ethnic studies classes which "promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, promote resentment toward a race or class of people, are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group or advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals." In Tucson, only Mexican-American studies classes were affected.

        Seems pretty blatant and factual to me? I didn't make up anything I read it. But I guess that doesn't fit your prejudicial image of me.

        January 25, 2012 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mavent

      Jilin, you know where a great place to learn Mexican history would be? Mexico. Personally, I'm tired of Mexicans coming to America and then whining that we're not more like the place that they wanted so desperately to leave.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
      • Jilin

        I can't speak on behalf of Mexicans, for I'm not one. But, the subject isn't Mexican history, it's not the history of Mexico (if it was then I'd agree) but It's the history of Mexicans in the United States, that you can't learn in Mexico.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Danny

      Jillin, you actually think tat school curriculum should be left up to the students/? Amazing.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jilin

        Elective-wise, yes. Keep Math, Science, & English standard and regulated. But when it comes to electives, have open room for what interests the students.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Report abuse |
  53. toxictown

    First off, wow, what a bunch of racist knuckledraggers on these comments. However, I agree that perhaps Mexican-American history should not be camped off by itself but should be included in an American History that would cover the pre-Columbian americas as well as the interface between native and invader populations, post colonial governments, etc... That curriculum could be slightly different from a U.S. history which would be dealing with the actual government of the United States and it's post-Columbian anticeedants) and it's relations internally and externally. The two would be different but would overlap in several places. Just a thought.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Road

      your over the KnuckelDraggers head dude you need to spell it out for them in big block letters using crayons.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:46 am | Report abuse |
  54. James

    They must have heard that Taco Bell is hiring a lot of Mexican-American studies majors.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Grow up

      Well it looks like you never went to School a day in your life.. WOW

      January 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  55. nick

    just to state the obvious, but this article isn't about a mexican studies program as most here seem to think. It is about a Mexican-American program. There means that much of the content will have to do with Americans of Mexican heritage. So it doesn't make sense to say those interested in these textbooks should go back to Mexico to study them, as the textbooks in Mexico would have to do with Mexican, not Mexican-American history.

    To put this in terms white people might understand, this would be like having classes on the experiences and influences of white Americans whose families had come from Europe, NOT of Europeans. Why have special books about Mexican-Americans? The people who are protesting say the reason is that the current textbooks don't represent their history accurately, and if you read the article, they give a great example toward the end of how underrepresented their history is in current, traditional textbooks.

    Please read the article before posting.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:32 am | Report abuse |
  56. Maldoror

    "Mexican-Americans don't like to get up early in the morning, but they have to so they do it real slow."

    – Cheech Marin

    January 25, 2012 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
  57. Steve

    This isn't Mexico and American tax payers should not be paying for Mexican study classes. Just the idea that Mexicans think that is some how unfair blows my mind. Sure, if we already own the books, they should have access to them in a library, but don't spend class time on it. Because of the recession, class hours have already been drastically cut so we need to teach what is important to AMERICAN students in those vaulable hours.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Jilin

      Who is to say this isn't important to Mexican-AMERICAN students? I'm sure their tax paying parents would like them to learn about their own history and not only the Anglo biased epic known as U.S. History.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:39 am | Report abuse |
    • InFormed99

      Fool. The discussion revolves around Mexican-American history. Perhaps you should go back to school and read up on how the US invaded Mexico and stole their land to begin with? What poor education standard the US has, which is well demonstrated on this comment board.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Jacob

      I am an Anglo male who took many Chicano Studies courses while at college because I went to a University in the American Southwest. The American Southwest was once Mexico thus there is a heavy influence of Mexican customs and traditions that formed who are now Mexican-Americans. This is not a course in Mexico but courses taught specifically to learn more about Mexican-American culture which has a heavy influence in that region. Why should we limit what children learn, I can almost guarantee you these courses are electives and not required courses. So if children are interested in learning about the history of the American Southwest why should we limit that choice? It's because of xenophobia, look it up.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
  58. Michael

    There are laws against illegal immigration. It is time to enforce them and if necessary – harshly. How many people waiting to become American citizens are being held back in their countries, due to the influx of Illegal Mexicans?
    No illegals should be allowed in America regardless of their country of origin. This is America not Mexico.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
    • InFormed99

      It's always amazing when uninformed Americans open their mouths and try to comment on issues they have absolutely no knowledge about. What does this have to do with illegal immigrants? come on, seriously, maybe you should throw in Obama and Muslims into the conversation.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:46 am | Report abuse |
    • sarah

      See, this is where Mexican-American studies would benefit you. American took over northern parts of Mexico and made them states. The Mexicans who lived there didn't come to America. America came to them.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:52 am | Report abuse |
  59. saopaco

    The amount of racism in this forum is astounding. People are people. Some are different colors, worship a different god, or speak a different language. They are still people. Remember, that to others YOU may be the one with a different color, god, or language.

    Can't we just get over this petty nonsense?

    January 25, 2012 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Lattino

      Tell that to the mexicans who always want special treatment because of their ethnicity.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
      • saopaco

        Based on what? Your impression? Generalizations are seldom accurate.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
      • Latttino

        Based on watching the news every day, seeing the street protests with many carrying mexican flags, based on Congress having a latino caucus, based on organizations like La Raza, based on many written or spoken material in the US is bilingual, etc.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:42 am | Report abuse |
      • saopaco

        So by your research standards, I can conclude that all white americans belong to the KKK, Nambla, fundie christian terrorist groups, are under-educated, kill their children, and drag black americans behind pickups because I have seen all of that on the news?

        January 25, 2012 at 11:46 am | Report abuse |
      • Latttino

        Yes, I see white people march and waive flags of foreign countries, there is a white Congressional caucus, I always hear or read material in German and Italian. You might not agree, but your silly hyperbole is no worthwhile argument.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:51 am | Report abuse |
      • saopaco

        ...says the xenophobe. Show me some data to back up your claim, or admit it is just your prejudice showing.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
  60. Lattino

    Mexicans being mexicans, useless.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
  61. MAN

    THE FIRST THING WHITE PEOPLE WILL SAY WHEN SLAVERY IS MENTIONED IS THAT I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT BECAUSE I WASN'T EVEN BORN AT THAT TIME. YET TURN AROUND AND PROUDLY CLAIM THIS AS MOMENTOUS AND INSPIRING. NO YOU WEREN'T ALIVE AT THAT TIME BUT YOU ARE NO LESS GUILTY BECAUSE YOU UPHOLD THE MACHINE THAT KEEPS THESE IDEAS WELL AND ALIVE. DUMB S.O.B. YOU TALK SH1T ABOUT OTHER RACES AND THEN WHEN IT'S TIME TO GET YOUR ISSUE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE ONE. I HOPE THE WHOLE WORLD CAVES IN ON YOUR ASS.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Lattino

      You are jealous.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
    • cj

      Racism goes both ways. Claiming people of european decent did not contribute to this country is coming from people obviously in need of more American history lessons. Europeans built this country, whether other people want to admit it or not. If europeans had not come to America, the industrial revolution would have never happened here. Modern medicine, sanitation, and a modern civilized life would be lacking. Without them, the descendants of the indians and mexicans would still live in huts and engage in cannibalism. One only has to look at uneducated and corrupt Mexico to see what north America would be like without and european influence.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Virellek

      He is not jealous – he is racist. A person who makes unfair and unfounded generalizations about an entire group of people base on their skin colour is a person who need to get out into the world they are making those claims against. Only then will they realize how uneducated and pathetic they sound as they write trashy comments.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Take your meds

      What an inarticulate rant. First, turn of your cap locks. Second, take your medication. Third, if you are in the United States, go somewhere else.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
    • BobD

      If you are a slave today, then complain or shut the f up.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
  62. BmanTheColtsFan

    I would have loved to have a Mexican history class in HS. Of course, I am a history major and I love history. This course should be kept, just not required. It should be an elective. Arizona history doesn't start with statehood, it starts with the earliest peoples who inhabited it. I am a white conservative republican, so don't go thinking I am biast about the subject. Mexican history and other histories are just as important to learn about as US and Western Civ histories. Some of the most interesting history I have studied is early world civilizations, like the Mayans, Aztecs, and the Incas. These nations spanned from Mexico down to South America. Learning about these peoples teaches us about ourselves.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
    • DeeNYC

      I have a friend with a history degree, he's a bartender. what do you do for a living?

      January 25, 2012 at 11:23 am | Report abuse |
      • zd

        ZING!

        January 25, 2012 at 11:37 am | Report abuse |
      • sarah

        I wonder if he would be your friend if he knew how little you thought of his choices in life and how shallow you are. Most likely you are not friends, he just gets paid to be nice so people like you can think they have friends.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:39 am | Report abuse |
      • BmanTheColtsFan

        I am a military contractor at Fort Sill, Ok. I work with deployied units. I started college late, at 35. I am a senior now. There are several jobs in the history field if you are in the right location. Research jobs, consultant and analyst jobs, museum jobs, etc... Most historians tend to end up teachers or professors at universities. The serious ones write books. I am fortunate to be here at Fort Sill where there are a lot of jobs for historians, but I have to earn that degree first. Not sure if I will get out of the defense contractor business though, the money is pretty good. I mostly just go to college to get my GI bill money. I was out of the Army for about 4 years and you lose it after 10. It would be a shame to waste it, so here I am.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
      • BobD

        Screw your friend. He decided to be a failure so let it be. A history degree and he expects food stamps?

        January 25, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
  63. DeeNYC

    Let the mexicans walk out, who cares. sick of them always wanting to be accommodated for being in this country. focus on math and science, you want to learn about mexican history go to mexico. Why is there a mexican-american studies class in the first place?

    January 25, 2012 at 11:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Frank

      Right, never saw WHITEE HISTORY BOOKS in the libraries when I was in school.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
      • sarah

        That's because most history books in schools are about white people and how they met other races. Not about other races and how they met white people. They are entirely different points of view.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Heather

        This is probably useless but...
        Mexico = country (not race)
        Mexican = nationality (not race)
        In that sense, it is similar to a US history class, European history class, etc...

        It should still be offered as an elective due to the ties to Arizona's own history. At the very least, the books should be offered in the library for interested kids to check out.

        January 25, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Ex-TeaPartyr

    F U racist Tea bagger! Go blank yourself. Te a baggers days are numbered in this great country!

    January 25, 2012 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
    • BobD

      The next war will be against the racists pigs! No problem, my gun is loaded and aimed at these teabag idiots.

      January 25, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
  65. cmc

    They should teach a state history class in middle school. I'm certain the impact of Mexican immigrants would be addressed in that class, just as the impact of European immigrants on the evolution of their state would be addressed. Wouldn't that be enough? As far as having a problem with the books in the library, that's just ridiculous. Book banning should be banned. Freedom to read different ideas is what makes America great.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Frank

      You want to see their contributions? Go to all the waiting rooms at the emergency rooms and the lobbies of the Social Security, Welfare and Food Stamp offices and THERE THEY ALL ARE! Robbing us SILLY!

      January 25, 2012 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
  66. Ryan Stern

    You want to study mexican? study my cleaning lady or gardner.... or go back to Mexico!

    January 25, 2012 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
    • sarah

      This is why people need an education in Mexican-American history. Arizona WAS Mexico not that long ago. The people living there were Mexicans. You're saying their descendants have no right to be there and they have no right to know how they got there. Who are you to say?

      January 25, 2012 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
      • Frank

        So what! Before that i belonged to dinosaurs! Whats your point. ITS OURS NOW!

        January 25, 2012 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
      • Frank

        So what! Before that it belonged to dinosaurs! Whats your point!? ITS OUR NOW AND WE MAKE THE RULE!

        January 25, 2012 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
      • sarah

        So should we just cut out all history and prehistory until just after all 50 states came into the union?

        January 25, 2012 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
      • BmanTheColtsFan

        Good points.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:54 am | Report abuse |
      • BmanTheColtsFan

        That is, Sarah has some good points.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Jilin

      Gardener* it appears your English skills are lacking, amigo.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
  67. Lattino

    Mexicans are truly clueless. No wonder mexico is a useless, violent hole.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
  68. JOHN

    Guest
    How dare you state that the Irish and German cultures are insignificant. You have insulted me, my family, and my ancestors who came to this country long ago. If a student wants to study Mexican-American history, it should be an elective just like certain English courses. And it should not be mandatory for everyone who is not interested in the subject matter.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      Wow, touch a nerve!

      January 25, 2012 at 11:15 am | Report abuse |
    • DeeNYC

      How about everycountryintheworld-american studies? one for each country that way no one has their feelings hurt. so there should be a few hundred different classes, that better for you?

      January 25, 2012 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
  69. blackdan

    Okay, let's give them what they want. Let's see, Central and South American Natives lived like animals until Europeans arrived, mated with them in such large numbers that they obliterated the native stock and created a race of people that want to be Europeans but can't be. So, they sneak into other countries and then cry over their lost homeland. Also, they squander untold wealth on stupidity and incompetence so that wage disparity in the U.S. pales in comparison. There you go – Viva Mexico!

    January 25, 2012 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • sarah

      As if the Europeans at the time didn't act and live like animals. lol.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
    • BmanTheColtsFan

      Actually, there were very advanced civilizations in Mexico and Central and South America. They had great capital cities, complex forms of government, advanced mathematics, agriculture, and amazing architecture. They were not living like animals.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
      • History Bear

        True to a point. Spanish conquistadors were violent, greedy and rapacious and forced their religious beliefs on others HOWEVER Aztec, Mayan and Toltec cultures practiced constant warfare, human sacrifice and sometime not so ritual cannibalism. The "Mexicans" a mixed group from black, native and Spanish ancestry butchered and enslaved the Native Americans of the southwest and took land that wasn't theirs to begin with. So now we are supposed to be forgiving because we took it from them? Little bit of a double standard isn't it?

        January 25, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • BmanTheColtsFan

      Sarah is right. The more I study history, the more clear the picture becomes. In Mexico's case, it was the "civilized" Spanish who acted like animals.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:32 am | Report abuse |
    • rr

      The reason Mexico is (and has been for all of modern history) an embarrassment of corrption and poverty is simply that it had the misfortune to be settled by Spain. No doubt European caucasians had their transgressions when settling new world territories, but take a look at the demographics of the very few industrialized, world-leading countries and notice how many were settled and developed by white Europeans. Compare that to all the hispanic countries in the world (Mexico, all of South America, Central America, Spain, Puerto Rico, etc.). Is it coincidence that they are ALL third-world debacles? The root of the problem is hispanic culture itself.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
    • InFormed99

      Nice comment Blackdan. Now go back into your hole, the adults are talking. From a historical perspective, the Europeans are considered to be the most barbaric, bloodthirsty and evil group in history (just ask the Jews about their treatment) Come on, no South Americans were part of that ugly part of history. Come on and THINK before you post you nonsense.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:52 am | Report abuse |
  70. Eric

    If Mexico is so great and worthy of a textbook and a class, then why don't the Mexicans go back to Mexico? I don't get it. Mexican people leave in droves because it's corrupt, desperate, godforsaken, etc, but still love the place. If they want to learn Mexican Ameican studies then advocate for it to be included in AMERICAN history. Yes, yes, yes, I know that's difficult. But this issue is stupid because people are trying to study and thereby honor a history that is important to some people. Yet these are mostly the same people who gave up on it and got the hell out. Can't have it both ways! Next we'll have Ecuardor, Nicaragua, Ethiopian, Australian, Norweigian, Icelandic, Croatian, and Botswanan x American studies. If you love it some much, then stay home.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • sarah

      If it wasn't so great why did the US carve out parts of Mexico for itself? And do you really think all the Mexicans living there just left? If you actually studied the history, you would know better. But obviously, the lawmakers in Arizona would prefer everyone to wallow in ignorance.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:17 am | Report abuse |
      • DeeNYC

        we wanted the land... doesn't mean it was great, it was just there. there's nothing great about mexico unless you're a criminal then it's fantastic.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        "Ignorance" is practically a masturbatory word for leftists.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
      • mightaswellbe

        Actually the powers that be needed that chunk of land ( the Gadsden Purchase ) to run the Southern pacific Railroad through to the Pacific coast. Blame it on the rail road barons.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
      • CW

        The whole border crossed us stuff is largely a myth. Less than a couple hundred thousand people lived in the SW when it changed hands to an American possession. Most Mexicans who immigrate today (whether legally or illegally) come from much further south in Mexico and have little to no historic or family ties to the SW region anymore than an American moving there from the Midwest. Nice try, but those of us who live in the SW and know its history are sick of this tired argument.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:46 am | Report abuse |
  71. Rocky McMillian

    So, Friggin Sick of this Garbage!!! IF All Those people are so PROUD of there Mexican Heritage... Then what in the Hell are they doin in America!!! My background is Irish.. And I have no interest in an Irish American Studies class because I am a proud American! If they aren't proud of American Heritage.. Then throw all the kids and there parents back to Mexico!! Makes me Sick!!

    January 25, 2012 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
    • sarah

      Why the heck did America take Arizona from Mexico if they didn't want to deal with Mexicans? That's the intelligent question to ask.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
      • History Bear

        Incorrect Ms Sarah, it was mineral wealth(which in Mexico is controlled by world wide corporations, not Mexicans), railroad right of way and quite possibly the super skiing and scenery of Northern New Mexico and Arizona. You are ignoring the point that 80 % or so of the current spanish speaking residents are recent immigants. Learn english, learn american history and then learn how your ancestors contributed to all of this to create the over all American dream.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
  72. Jack

    Any history taught about Mexico should be in world history class. I guess all the protesters are racist because they don't support the teaching of Canadian-American studies. Any history about Mexico should include how they enforce immigration laws regarding illegals who cross their southern border, we could learn a lot from Mexico on this issue.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
  73. schrish

    these kids need to be taught how to function productively in society. mexican-american studies is a waste of time and money.

    January 25, 2012 at 11:02 am | Report abuse |
  74. MAN

    I AGREE WITH PARKERMAN WHEN HE SAYS FOCUS ON ONLY MEXICAN AMERICAN STUDIES, OR ANY OTHER ETHNIC GROUP FOR THAT MATTER, IS UNBALANCED AND RACIST. SO STOP SHOVING WHITE AMERICAN HISTORY DOWN OUR THROATS UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELVES. ALL THESE SO CALLED HEROES WERE NOTHING MORE THAN CRIMINALS, INCLUDING GEORGE WASHINGTON. THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON IMMORALITY. HENCE THE WORD DEMOCRACY- DERIVED FROM THE LATIN DEMOS- DEMONIZED + SOCIETY=DEMOCRACY. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE SCARED TO DEATH OF THE TRUTH BECAUSE THE WORLD IN CLOSING IN ON YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR DEPLORABLE MISDEEDS.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      Yes! All CAPS makes your comments seem bold and more important.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
    • schrish

      see, this moron–man–majored in something like mexican-american studie, so all he can do is moan about paranoid injustices while collecting welfare.....

      January 25, 2012 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Thayer

      Well what Norwegian-American studies? What about Nigerian-American studies. What about Chinese-American studies, What about Filipino-American studies? What about Turkish-American studies. What about Canadian-American studies? What those nationalities don't count? What are you prejudice?

      January 25, 2012 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Demos

      Yerkoff, demos comes from Greek meaning people, and kratia (-cracy) means rule. Democracy = rule by the people. Etymology is meant to be studied not created.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Demos is actually Greek. It means people.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • Jack

      I want to read the chaper in the book about illegals costing taxpayers over 100 billion a year, and how they are destroying our country, bankrupting hospitals, and overcrowding our prisions.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Rocky McMillian

      YOU CAN GO TO MEXICO WITH THEM.. YOU UNGRATEFUL PIECE OF GARBAGE!! You live in the greatest country in the world.. Just one that has lost its way b/c of this political correctness CRAP!! To say this country was created by crooks is an insult to the founders, are men in uniform, and everyone in between who has made this country what it is.. The hope of the world. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

      January 25, 2012 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • sean

      bahahahahaha – thank you for this post I've already started circulating it – great stuff.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • delpoyedmarine

      Actually in latin democracy is democratia. Demo means people and cratia means kingdom. So in latin it means kingdom of the people. Please educate yourself. Plus our country is a Republic not a democracy

      January 25, 2012 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
    • hairless ape

      Wow...miss your meds this morning?

      January 25, 2012 at 11:15 am | Report abuse |
    • CW

      Yawn. When you write in all caps you lose 90% of the people you are trying to reach. To counter your point, how well did conquistadors like Onate and Coronado treat the native Americans? Pot meet kettle. Many Indians in New Mexico and the SW were enslaved and mutilated by the Spanish (literally in Onate's case).

      January 25, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bubba

      Demos="common people" Obviously European history is not your strong point.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Scott

    What should be taught in classes can be argued, but libraries should be about the free exchange of information. They should contain both conservative and liberal books and everything in between. By the time they are in high school, young people should be allowed to read whatever they choose. No group should–conservative OR liberal–should have the power to remove a book from a library because they don't like it.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
  76. woops

    mexicans are not spaniards.

    youre the one in need of a history lesson.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
  77. ShaneB

    Its just a bad idea to start teaching a specific culture above others as a mandatory class. I don't have a problem making it an elective, but making it a required class is showing preference. We have a lot of other cultures that are in America that are just as worthy of specific attention, and I guarantee those cultures will want equal time. Guess what happens in the end? After all the argument they get condensed into a single book we just call American History.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
  78. evarocky

    Welcome to America, where you can't just be American.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:43 am | Report abuse |
  79. Henry Miller

    The best place to study Mexico is Mexico. Maybe these marchers should just march south until they get there. Then maybe they could study Mexico to their heart's content without demanding that rest of us pay for it.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
  80. rad666

    Why is there a special book for Mexican-American studies to begin with, I am from Boston we never had an Irish -American studies book, I'll bet Chicago never had one either, Does Pennsylivania have a German American studies book? So sick of this stuff on a daily basis. there should be an American studies book..PERIOD, that covers all of the people and nationalities tha have made this a great country

    January 25, 2012 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
    • guest

      That's because your Irish or German culture has been lost in the US and is insignificant. The Mexican culture is very strong in the US and significant enough to care about.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:58 am | Report abuse |
      • Chris Honry

        Yeah, Mexican "culture" in the US: have many kids they can't afford, get the gubmint to pay for them. The real Mexican culture that should be taught: Spanish came to Mexico, kicked the Aztecs, Mayans a$$es so hard they all now speaky Spanish, not their own language and raped them so much there's no real "MExicans" left. And they're so dumb they think Spanish is their language.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
      • Thayer

        Mexican "culture" huh? What are they teaching them? To eat from taco trucks and start having babies at age 14 and to very quickly jump on the welfare train? Oh and to stare constantly at anyone that isn't Mestizo and to not learn English. Is that what they're teaching?

        January 25, 2012 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Frank

      No, we should just drag the no good SOB's back across the border and let them study that Mexican trash over there in middle of the CIVIL WAR GOING ON! See how they like that! Ungrateful American hating PARASITES!

      All they are doing is TRASHING THE UNITED STATES!

      January 25, 2012 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
      • Ex-TeaPartyr

        First of all, learn to speak the language Tea bagger!

        January 25, 2012 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
      • BobD

        I wish I had a shot at you!

        January 25, 2012 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • BmanTheColtsFan

      In Arizona, Mexican history has just as much to do with the region as US history. Even more so is Native American history. They all tie together and you can't fully understand one without learning about the others. What is everbody so afraid of? It's just history. Why do people have to make this an "us against them" thing? This just boils down to people being racist. Period. Like I said before, I can understand not making this particular history required, but it should remain as an elective. It is very important demographically to Arizona.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Mike

    So, is there ANYONE left still doubting the USA has been completely taken over by fascists?

    I cannot imagine....

    January 25, 2012 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Ray

      I know, "Latino" irredentists are a particularly nasty breed of stormtrooping a–holes.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Chris Honry

      Truly, the neo-facists hate America and want everyone to be these all-accepting gay drones who accept everything except real Americans that care about strength through unity.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
  82. AZLib

    This is just terrible. From the Gov. on down racism was the key to the last election in this state. To these folks the only study needed is about white men from europe... The gov and key elected republican officials hate mexican americans and have created an environment that reminds one of the old south and treatment of blacks. 30% or more of the states population is hispanic, but new laws are focused as keeping them from voting, new rules such as in Tucson are designed to make the state unappealing in hopes they will move, treatment by law enforcement is just terrible and near daily in the newspaper the Gov, top republican elected officials attack "anchor babies" and other code words for mexican americans. It is time for mass marches, it is time for boycotts of this state, I live here and I hate what I see going on everyday. Turn on AM radio and one would thing they are demanding Jim Crow to come to Arizona. They blame children in school, they blame everybody for the poverty in this state and condition of the times, they do this to take the heat off the 1% who are the puppet masters. Please help! boycott!!!!!!

    January 25, 2012 at 10:18 am | Report abuse |
    • NooYawkah

      I agree. March your sorry @zzes back to Mexico where you can read all you want about Mexican history, minus the corrupting inclusion of the accomplishments of white Europeans in building this country into empire you are so desperately trying to turn into a Mexican sh1t-hole.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      You're truly pitiful. For your sake, I hope you're not a man.

      Really, that post read like an output file from weepingleftistbullsh-t.exe

      January 25, 2012 at 10:50 am | Report abuse |
      • Ex-TeaPartyr

        Sherriff Joe, the truth sure hurts doesn't it Tea bagger!?

        Still getting your talking points from Faux News?!?!

        January 25, 2012 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
    • John S.

      AZLib
      “To these folks the only study needed is about white men from europe...” – Incorrect, the study is about America, not just white men or Mexico. Ever heard of Crispus Attucks?

      “ The gov and key elected republican officials hate mexican americans” – Incorrect, they hate citizens of other countries crossing the border ILLEGALLY and then demanding rights as citizens.

      “30% or more of the states population is hispanic, but new laws are focused as keeping them from voting” – Incorrect, the laws are to keep people from ILLEGALLY voting, such as citizens of other countries, ie Mexico.

      “new rules such as in Tucson are designed to make the state unappealing in hopes they will move’ – Incorrect, it is to make it unappealing to ILLEGALS in hopes they will leave.

      “the Gov, top republican elected officials attack "anchor babies" and other code words for mexican americans.” Incorrect, “anchor babies” is not a code word, it is fact. ILLEGALS cross the border, pop out a kid, and again demand rights as citizens when they are not.

      I suggest you learn some facts versus opinion.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:01 am | Report abuse |
      • Ex-TeaPartyr

        One dee-bag comes up with the name "Crispus Attucks" and that is supposed to infer that you are well read and educated??!

        Sit down and shut your hole Tea bagger!

        January 25, 2012 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
      • John S.

        Show your ingorance much? Crispus Attuks is used as an example in this case, not the only instance. Lessons were taught that he was a man, not black or anything else, just a man who fought for this country. I did not learn until later that he was balck, and it did not matter. He was a man fighting tor this country.

        Just because you have a racist agenda, does not mean everyone else has to as well.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Paula

        My great grandparents came here from Denmark. They passed physicals at Ellis Island. They worked as domestics and went to NIGHT SCHOOL TO LEARN ENGLISH. They obeyed the law and worked hard. The Danish Brotherhood helped each other, not the welfare office. America was a melting pot but it was culturally compatible. Initially it was mostly protestant northern Europeans who had similar religion, morals and customs. Then the Irish who were mostly Catholic came but they spoke English and their culture was similar enough to blend in. Southern Europeans followed with a few more adjustments.
        The reason AZ is putting in all of these restriction is because they are being overrun by the 3rd world. The Americans have aborted the next generation, and people from 3rd world countries are coming here and having 6 kids. We are losing our religious and cultural base, our work ethic and our culture.
        I don't care if you are talking about Latin Americans, Nigerians, Pakistanis, or any other 3rd world country. They come here, many aren't even legal and demand their" rights". The stupid globalist minded judges give "rights" to people who aren't citizens, aren't even legal residents in many cases. I speak French. When I go to Quebec they won't even speak to me in English. I am in their country and have to obey their laws and language requirements. Look at all the cases of Americans who got busted for drugs in third world hellholes and rot in prison. No rights for them when they are visitors.
        The third world immigrants come here and they want to make it like "back home". My family has been here for 100 yrs. and did it legally. They can make me live next to their loud music, block parties, muslim prayer calls and every other damn thing, but I don't have a right to live in the country I was born into, 1950s America, and be left alone.
        Deport them all, every last damn illegal, put up an electric fence that will fry anybody and stop immigration for 100 years. Someone suggested branding them before you deport them and if they come back execute them. I am not sure I would go that far but it would sure cut down the rate of return.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Consequence

      Arizona's hispanic population has grown from 16% in 1980 to 30% in 2010. This did not just happen from natural increase – it is the result of an onslaught of illegal immigration and overly generous follow to join rules for legal immigrants. This is a serious population boom from our politicians who ignored both illegal immigration for too long and out of control legal immigration which has brought extended family members from Mexico. I am not sure whether our politicians ever sat down and figured out what would be the ideal hispanic population for Arizona – but their presence carries considerable economic and social liability for Arizona which takes a particularly serious tone when that population favors a race-centered view in the education of their youth. it highlights the increasing lack of assimilation of an increasingly huge immigrant group and the potential threat of social upheaval. Young hispanics should be schooled in American citizenship and pride and not in racial irredentist views. In the meantime, Arizona needs to stop the influx of Mexicans across our border.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:03 am | Report abuse |
      • Paula

        You can thank the recently deceased Teddy Kennedy for the immigration mess. He was involved in rewriting the immigration quotas in 1964 or 1965. It used to give preference to the European ethnic groups that were already here, to skilled and educated people who could contribute. He and his ilk pushed to bring in all the 'disadvantaged' peoples as if we could feed and house the whole world! The politicians now have so many of these people on their hands they are pandering to them for votes, not to mention vote fraud.
        And one more thing, when the muslims cry "freedom of religion", the founding fathers never foresaw we would have 100 different religions in this country. They thought of this as a daughter country to Europe, mostly England. There were few boats and no airplanes. Travel was expensive, dangerous and rare across the oceans. The USA was isolated by water from the old world and they could never have foreseen the onslaught of immigration we have had given their 18th century technology. If you want a muslim religious country, go to one. If you want an Jewish country, go to Israel. If you want Buddhism or some other eastern religion go there, but leave America to the Judeo Christian people who founded it. If Christians or Jews go anywhere else in the world they are going to have some form of persecution. We deserve our own country too.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Josh

      Let's get this straight. If you are a citizen you are American. Not Mexican-American, African-American, Asian-American, or European-American.

      American history should cover necessary parts from American history. No one should be getting a special section in the books. People want their own special stuff in this country, when are you all going to realize you are both special and not special....just like everybody else in this country. If history books inadequately cover the basics of history, then they need to be revised. College is the place for specialized studies.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Frank

      Did you say Mexican Americans?! They all act like MEXICANS FROM WHAT I SEE! We dont have anything in the country BUT AMERICANS, YOU DON'T LIKE IT. GET OUT!

      January 25, 2012 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
    • Ex-TeaPartyr

      Whether you like it or not Tea baggers, your days are numbered in this country . . . one way or the other!

      January 25, 2012 at 11:22 am | Report abuse |
  83. Brollii

    Looks like many of you did not read or can't. Its Mexican-American studies not Mexican studies they got rid of. Most of you need to learn how to get out from under that rock you live in and open your eyes. Its not suprising that in Arizona they teach Mexican-American studies, growing up in the north we were taught very different history then in the south. Living in the south now and seeing what is taught in school down here, it suprised me to hear that alot of what is taught down here is never even mentioned in schools back north. The program may need to be revised but the books should still made availabe to the kids if they wanted to learn on their own, removing the books and locking them up does not seem like the right thing to do.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
    • MyTake

      It is my understanding that the tone of the course was an issue and it was more like propaganda than history

      January 25, 2012 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
      • Frank

        It was. It was teaching MEXICANS that the WHITE BOYS took their land and they should break into the United States and get back what is rightfully theirs! Now are pizzed off because we stopped it. Reconquista! Remember?

        And they call them selves AMERICANS!? I dont think so! They should all be arrested as ENEMY COMBATANTS to the UNITED STATES!

        January 25, 2012 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
      • MattAZ

        Of course you've heard that the problem was with the tone. But anyone who actually lives in Arizona and has worked with Tom Horne knows that he was just exploiting the American tradition of nativism to increase his visibility in the state. Even his supporters know what he was doing.

        It has proven to be an amazingly successful strategy with the recession. Look at Governor Brewer. She is acting so strangely that it is probable that some type of age-related dementia is starting to affect her. She used to be a normal person, but she's just not all there anymore. Yet despite her recent mental shortcomings she easily became governor, in part, by playing the same nativism card.

        People can pretend that there is not a large number of people who are racists against Latinos in Arizona. But anyone who lives here knows the truth. There are a lot of angry working-class people in our state who need someone to blame for the bad economy, and Latinos are unfortunately that group. I say angry working-class people because almost all of us with a little bit of money in Arizona, both Democrat and Republican, have relied on Mexican immigrants to clean our houses or to act as our gardeners at least some point in our lives. It's just the way it is. Anyone who says differently is full of it.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
      • GO HOME

        @MY TAKE and @FRANK –agreed. YES, it was the TONE of the classes that was the problem. Classes taught how wronged Mexicans are and they set up an angry situation pitting mexican students against whites here. The officials are correct in removing this hateful material from the schools.

        January 25, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Alex in NJ

    On one hand I am opposed to censorship. However, things that espouse a capitalist or traditionalist point of view are censored from our schools far more often than Left wing teaching. So the PC Police can swallow down this taste of their own medicine. Also, ethnic/racial solidarity has NO place in this nation. Multiculturalism is part of the Left wing divide and conquer strategy and it actually promotes more racism. We are a nation of individuals, not ethnicities. We are a nation of Americans, not hyphenated Americans.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
    • MyTake

      Well said.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Andrew Friet

      Brilliantly stated Alex! This country is first and formost America. If you want to study something about your heritage don't do it on my taxpayer dollars. so many people forget the reason that their ancestors came here. To get away from their home country for better opportunities! Bravo!

      January 25, 2012 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
      • Frank

        Exactly, their country is in CIVIL WAR over DOPE! And they come here and protest because wont let them promote THEIR OWN KIND! Right in face of the country providing them SAFETY and freedom. They can study it all they want on thier OWN TIME!

        January 25, 2012 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Thayer

        Alex- You're right on the money. Smart man. Great post.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
  85. Mason

    Putting them back in the library is okay. There is nothing wrong with making the materials available. It is an elective class not a core. As for books being wrong, yes and. Colleges deal with it everyday. Your professor teaches the lesson and while doing it he points out what is wrong and heaven forbid, he does some extra work to get the info and presents that to the class. Sorry everything couldn't be given to you, guess you're just going to have to learn that $19.95hr after all.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:09 am | Report abuse |
  86. kirk

    On every coin in the US is the phrase " e pluribus unum". It means "the many become one". How can we become one country , with ONE American culture, if we keep breaking off into specialized groups and demanding special favors. This is America, not Mexico. Learn what our brilliant founding fathers set up for this country and stop wasting my tax dollars teaching kids what a bad country this is and Mexicans should take this land back. That is what is being taught in these Mexican Amercian studies classes.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
    • Duane

      Very well said.....it is very sad that Mexicans here in the states feel they should not be a part of the melting pot

      January 25, 2012 at 10:36 am | Report abuse |
  87. NODAT1

    Trouble is they want to teach a very PC version of the Mexican portion of the studies. According the authorized Mexican American studies they want you to believe that Spanish invaders were welcomed with open arms and they lived in peace with the local inhabitants in what is now known Mexico and southwest portion of the USA. They leave out the part about how the Spanish raped pillaged and committed mass genocide in order exploit the country of its natural resources and shipped them all back to Spain
    I say let teach about early Mexican history in the Southwest USA but teach the all of the History

    January 25, 2012 at 10:06 am | Report abuse |
  88. OrtegaM

    If they want to study, let them study at home on their own time.

    Put the books back in the school and make the students buy them. If the students feel that it is that important to study the subject they will pay for the books.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Brownie2

      I'm sure you feel the same way about world history or European history. Round up all those books, cart them off, and require all students of Euro descent to learn about Western civilization by buying their own books and reading them at home. Sounds like a plan to me! Not!!!

      January 25, 2012 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
      • Steve C.

        FH's like brownieAss2 need to go south.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
    • BobD

      Exactly. Why leave the books in storage when they can be sold? Sell the books to the students and and let them study home with their parents.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Sannate

      This is not about the courses being taught. It's just about exerting influence, confronting the establishment. It's all about power and who has it. That's all it's ever about.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
  89. Mr. Man

    Hey CNN, how about you become a legitimate news organization and get rid of that annoying pop-up ad on your front page? You do realize that no one reads or even clicks that garbage. FYI: Your advertisers will still pay you if their ads are off to the side of the page, so stop shoving it down our throats you nitwits.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
  90. Duane

    I am an American who's family immigrated from Italy. I learned American history in school, and learned Italian history at home. I didn't rise up or ask that other Italians rise up and walk out of school in protest because I wasn't being giving these studies. I did it on my own time......so why do Mexicans feel they should be above the same standards? Seems to me if anyone is being racist they are against everyone else.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Erick

      Italy has no connection with the U.S. compared to Mexican-American history.

      January 25, 2012 at 9:59 am | Report abuse |
      • 1212

        Tell that to the Italian's that went through Ellis Island or set up shop from New York to Chicago.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
      • TruAmerikan

        Wasn't Christoper Columbus from Italy? Hmmmm????

        January 25, 2012 at 10:03 am | Report abuse |
      • TruAmerikan

        Amerigo Vespucci was born and raised in Florence, Italy.

        You really need to get a clue before opening your mouth.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:05 am | Report abuse |
      • Erick

        @1212
        That's all they did. Immigrated from their native land, actually they moved because of jobs. Their history
        is much simple. [ Sailed from Italy, landed in the East Coast and settled(period)]

        January 25, 2012 at 10:07 am | Report abuse |
      • TruAmerikan

        Erick,

        That's ALL they did? Don't you realize the bravery and dedication that was needed to set sail in those days. There were no luxury liners or cruise ships.

        These men were brave pioneers who risked their lives to explore.

        These MEHEEKANS take a stroll out in the desert through their tunnels, and all they have to do is make sure they hit the watersing stations.

        They are criminals coming into our country and they have no right to be here.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
      • Consequence

        Also, John Cabot (Giovanni Caboto) who sailed for the English was Italian. And the Western U.S. was Spanish, not Mexican – until Mexican nationalists took over from Spain in 1821. Twenty five years later the West became American.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:20 am | Report abuse |
    • TruAmerikan

      I see you don't understand. You see, being from Italian decent you are still "Anglo". That means you don't get the other rights afforded to the people who are here illegally.

      I"m sure your family also made the mistake of entering the country and following the rules to become American citizens; which is another strike against you.

      I was going through some of my deceased parent's papers and came across a letter from 1856 where one of my ancestors naturalization papaers. I sure was proud to find that. If I'm luck, I'll be around when that piece of paper turns 200. That will be something.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:02 am | Report abuse |
      • Breed11

        Italians aren't Anglo, they are Latin. Anglo is Germanic or Northwestern European. God, Americans are dumb.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
      • Erick

        Actually, Christopher Colombus was born Genoa, Republic of Genoa, in present-day Italy. Get the point.
        ...&& No...Italians are not Anglo, get your Italian book and start reading their history before you open
        your mouth, TruAmerikan.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:14 am | Report abuse |
      • TruAmerikan

        Ok, I stand corrected on Italians not being Anglo. I also forgot that Geno wasn't part of Italy at the time but it is now. That's where I made my mistake.

        But it IS part of Italy now.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
      • Erick

        My ancestors have been living here for more than 200 yrs. Why do you hate Mexicans? Dude,
        grow a pair, I cannot believe there's still racism in this century.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Texan

        Most of my family's ancesstors are of Native American decent. You don't see or hear us whinning or other wise complaining about life. As Native American we have lost as much as any other ethnic group. We have managed to pass down our herritage to our children. You should do the same and stop expecting the Mexican-American ethnic group to receive special treatment!

        January 25, 2012 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
      • SFS1789

        Um. Guys? Whoever understands that "Anglo" means "English," please riase your hands. Thank you. Carry on.

        January 25, 2012 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Brownie2

      Well, Duane, if you studied World history or Western Civilization, you studied some Italian history and the role Italians played in Western civilization. And you need to realize that the role of Mexicans in the western part of this country IS American history.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:12 am | Report abuse |
      • Erick

        Yes, agree.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Parkerman

        The point being Mexican-Amercians should not be singled out with there own studies unless you have special studies to everyone. If you don't then it is unbalanced and racist.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:18 am | Report abuse |
      • NooYawkah

        Especially the part where they're turning this country into a 3rd world hellhole much like their beloved Mexico.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Parkerman

      Excatcly, My ancestors immigrated from Holland and yet there is no such thing as a Dutch-American. You roll me into that whole group of Anglos, but yet the contributions on the Dutch are the same as any other culture. Ever here of New Amsterdam or should I say New York as it is know today. Yeah the Dutch didn't contribute anything special.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
  91. heyheyhey

    Why do you have to study one culture over the other? Why don't they just make one history book that includes all. Why only study one specific area? I don't get it. You study specific studies when you go to COLLEGE! I took Native American studies in College, high school studies should not be specific to one culture only.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Brownie2

      It's impossible to study one culture in American history because America is made up of multiple cultures. Each culture has made a contribution to this nation's history and needs to be acknowledged.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:14 am | Report abuse |
  92. TruAmerikan

    I hope when they were marching they were heading SOUTH until they arrived in the wonderful country of MEHEEKO!!!

    January 25, 2012 at 9:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Erick

      They are Mexican-Americans. The have same legal rights that you have here, no one is above no one.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
    • TruAmerikan

      Then why didn't I get SPECIFIC German-American, English-American, Irish-American, French-American (oh well), etc. History when I was in school?

      You just said no one should be above anybody. Looks like the illegals are.

      And don't be fooled. I doubt most of these kids and most certaily their parents are not here legally.

      CNN didn't put that "fact" in the article so I doubt it is in reality (except in your mind).

      January 25, 2012 at 10:09 am | Report abuse |
      • Erick

        Then, I will recommend you to become an ICE officer and start kicking out
        any "illegal immigrants" and not just Mexicans. Anybody can be illegal.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
  93. Bobbi

    This is America. Go back to Mexico and make your country better. Our education system is in trouble now and they want and they want.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:49 am | Report abuse |
    • Ericbrett

      Sorry American history is more than just anglo-european studies. Many cultures and people contributed to this great diaspora, not just those of anglo heritage. You really don't know what America really means, do you?

      January 25, 2012 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
    • TruAmerikan

      I do. In school I learned about the Mexican-American war and how we took what we wanted from those wet-backs.

      They keep trying to make America into Little MEHEEKO. A line must be drawn and it looks like it might be beginning here.

      If I had my own bricks and morter building I'd put a sign up "We Speak Engligh...no haba espanolio". And I don't care if it's spelled wrong...that's how I want it.

      January 25, 2012 at 9:57 am | Report abuse |
      • Erick

        It's Español. Of course, someone ignorant like yourself cannot even spell this word.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:23 am | Report abuse |
      • Arizonagirl

        I agree. Everyone who works and leads a productive life is welcome in the US. BUT LEARN THE LANGUAGE! IT'S ENGLISH!

        January 25, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • BobD

      Sounds like Bobbi needs some Dicki

      January 25, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
  94. Phill

    Does anyone else see the irony of dismanteling Mexican-American studies from Pueblo and Cholla High Schools?

    January 25, 2012 at 9:49 am | Report abuse |
  95. wwrrd

    I never got to take Redneck Studies. What makes these folks so special.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Phill

      Yes you did – it was just called AMERICAN History. Unfortunately in this country many think that no other group is worthy of discussion.

      January 25, 2012 at 9:51 am | Report abuse |
      • Parkerman

        If we are to be a unified people than they aren't. We are Americans

        January 25, 2012 at 9:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Ericbrett

      @ Parkerman – Americans come in various cultures, races, and background. The unifier here is the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness – not a specific culture or race. If that's what your looking for then there are countries of origins each of us have heritage in, you could always go back to yours. That way everyone would be the same.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
      • Parkerman

        At some point though you need to stop being from somewhere else and be American. Just because my ancestors came from Europe does not mean I am European. I am an American, born here as a native and therefore when you teach history is needs to be balanced for all cotnributions that made this country. You do not focus on just Mexicans contributions.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:04 am | Report abuse |
  96. Parkerman

    Wrong, I was not provided Dutch-American studies when I came through school, I was taught a variety of subjects of history which touched on most areas, but which rightfully focused mostly on American history. We are Americans! Not Mexicans, not Europeans, not Africans just Americans. Teach that and stop giving preferential treatment to Mexicans.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:45 am | Report abuse |
    • olmec1

      All these goups are part of American History!

      What is your definition of American History? Does that only include Whites? Because from what I have learned, all ethnic groups helped formed America.

      January 25, 2012 at 9:54 am | Report abuse |
      • Parkerman

        My point being that you do not single out a single group to focus on in History. They did not focus on Dutch history for me just because I am Dutch. They should not focus on Mexican history just because they are Mexican. It should all be balanced. It is even racist to call it Mexican American studies.

        January 25, 2012 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
      • olmec1

        Parker- You are not that smart are you? Sorry I shouldn't be giving you questions that difficult to answer.

        You're saying that it is racist to say Mexican American, but you are calling yourself Dutch American? Dum*as*

        January 25, 2012 at 10:00 am | Report abuse |
      • Parkerman

        Come on, now you are being stupid. I was making a point that there is no Dutch American studies only American studies. It is racist to focus on one group be that Mexicans, Europeans or whatever. Mexican-Americans studies only focus on Mexicans so yes that is a racist way of teaching.

        January 25, 2012 at 10:07 am | Report abuse |
    • Ericbrett

      You are completely and utterly wrong!!! Most history in American schools focus on one group's contribution to this country- the anglo angle. Ok, there is a month when we regugitate the same old African-American studies, February. The rest of the year, its all about the anglo experience. Many cultures helped to cultivate this land and turn it into what we see today – we as real Americans need to acknowledge everyone's contributions.

      January 25, 2012 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
      • Parkerman

        Your problem being that Mexican American studies only focuses on Mexicans contributions. That is not balanced and is racist for any other kid in the class. Its not balanced if you call it Mexican American studies.

        January 25, 2012 at 9:59 am | Report abuse |
  97. olmec1

    There is a difference between Mexican and Mexican American studies. Mexican American History IS American History. It is just as important to teach about Cesar Chavez then it is to study Martin Luther King or Abraham Lincoln. Educating students about the Mexican American War as just as important as the War of 1812.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:45 am | Report abuse |
    • heyheyhey

      Cezar Chavez was an idiot. He really didn't do anything didn't have his facts straight.

      January 25, 2012 at 9:51 am | Report abuse |
      • olmec1

        You know who he is, so he must have done something.

        January 25, 2012 at 9:55 am | Report abuse |
      • olmec1

        oh, and by the way, get your facts straight and learn how to spell it's CESAR.

        January 25, 2012 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
      • Ericbrett

        I think you just proved his point.

        January 25, 2012 at 9:57 am | Report abuse |
  98. Babykitty

    If you want Mexican studies, take it in college or go back to Mexico. It should be on YOUR dime.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
    • olmec1

      Mexican and Mexican American History are completely different. Mexican American History is just as important to teach as Europoean or African American History. Maybe if you paid attention in school you would know the difference.

      January 25, 2012 at 9:51 am | Report abuse |
    • johnnymac

      I agree. Make it a part of college and not in public schools.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
  99. Eli

    Assimilate Now.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:39 am | Report abuse |
  100. heavyarms

    Arizona doesn't get it.... they can fight all they want, but in 20 years.... Arizona is going to an overwhelmingly brown state

    January 25, 2012 at 9:30 am | Report abuse |
    • ronmac

      Great, so what your saying really is Arizona, will become another failed State like most the countries to the south in 20 years. Those Spaniards were great at conquering, but they never could adapt to following the rule of law. That's real history that isn't being taught.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      I could care less if it's a brown state. I just don't want to pay for anyone to be taught to infiltrate and take back what was once "theirs". And yes that is what is being taught. They have a curriculum that they show and then one that they keep hiden.

      January 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
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