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Opinion: Tim Wise: What is post-racial? Reflections on denial and reality
Tim Wise writes that believing in a post-racial U.S. requires "unwillingness to stare truth in the face."
January 31st, 2012
05:27 PM ET

Opinion: Tim Wise: What is post-racial? Reflections on denial and reality

Editor’s note: Tim Wise is the author of six books on race, including his most recent: Dear White America: Letter to a New Minority.  He tweets at @timjacobwise.

By Tim Wise, Special to CNN

(CNN) - Being asked to describe what “post-racial” means is a bit like being asked to describe a leprechaun, cold fusion or unicorns: we know what is meant, but, if we are willing to be honest, we also know that none of the four describe something real, something tangible, something true.

To me, “post-racial” is little more than a nonsense term devised by people (mostly white, frankly), who would simply rather not deal with the ever-present reality of racism and ongoing racial discrimination.

It is a diversion, intended to paper over the divisions that have long roiled our nation, and continue to do so today.

Though some sincerely believe this describes America’s reality– especially since a man of color was elected president - the illogic of believing this signals the veritable death of racism should be apparent: after all, we certainly wouldn’t claim that sexism and patriarchy had been smashed in Pakistan, India, Great Britain, Israel or the Philippines just because they all have elected women as heads of state.

Perceptions of discrimination a black and white story

To believe that the United States is post-racial requires an almost incomprehensible inability or unwillingness to stare truth in the face.

How can we be post-racial, after all, when the typical white family has 20 times the net worth of the typical black family, and 18 times that of the typical Latino family?

How can we be post-racial when studies find that even white men with criminal records are more likely to be called back for job interviews than black men without them, even when all other credentials and personal characteristics are indistinguishable?

How can we be post-racial when evidence suggests that the lightest-skinned immigrants earn roughly 17% more than the darkest-skinned immigrants, even when qualifications and levels of productivity are the same?

How can we be post-racial when Asian Americans, Latinos and blacks with college degrees are anywhere from one-third more likely to nearly twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts? When schools serving mostly students of color are more than ten times as likely to be places of concentrated poverty, and far more likely to have the least experienced teachers?

How can we be post-racial when people of color continue to be so disproportionately targeted by our nation’s drug laws?

Although whites use drugs just as often as blacks (and more often than Latinos), it is people of color who comprise nearly 90% of persons incarcerated for a drug possession offense.  And it is people of color who are disproportionately stopped and searched for drugs and other illegal contraband, even though they are no more likely (and sometimes less likely) to be in possession of such items than whites are.

How can we be post-racial, when presidential candidates are either too afraid to raise these issues publicly, for fear of voter backlash (as with the Democratic incumbent), or willing to shamelessly exploit racial anxieties and resentments (as with at least one of the primary Republican challengers) by calling President Obama the “food stamp” president, or suggesting that poor black kids have “no habits of work” and should be made to clean their own schools as janitors?

This, despite the fact that most people in poor communities do work, and black teenage unemployment rates (now well over 40 percent) reflect only those black teens who are searching for jobs, and thus, by definition already have a solid work ethic, lacking only the opportunities to put that ethic into practice.

Sadly, the claims of America’s equanimity and post-raciality are not really new.

Even in the early 1960s, before the passage of civil rights legislation, at a time when we were still a formal apartheid state, polls found that a vast majority percent of whites already believed that blacks had just as good a chance to obtain a good job, housing or a good education as we or our children did.

In other words, white denial - one might say, delusion - on the matter of the nation’s racial reality has been longstanding.

It’s hard to say when or if we will actually arrive at that place called “post-racial”, or, better yet, post-racism.

But until whites begin naming streets in our neighborhoods after Martin Luther King, and naming the schools that our children attend after him (rather than fearing that such a designation might signify that our kids attend a “ghetto school”), I know for certain we are not “post-racial” yet.

 The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Tim Wise.

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  1. Obfusc8r

    So basically minorities shouldn't be held responsible for anything they do, and whites should be held responsible for the actions that other whites may or may not have done 145+ years ago.

    February 1, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • RussnGirl

      There is also profiling similar to post-r thing. Like they say – Rus sian grls can take your money and spend it all. Yes it is true. We can manipulate you guys the way we grls want. . your own G o v created V A W A for us to get to US and you guys pay for the trip and our stay there.

      February 1, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Voliza

      Well said!

      February 2, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
  2. POWMIA

    These discussions are maddening. Everyone knows racism exists, but so does a lot of other things that hold people back. It's not that Black people don't have valid complaints, but there is nothing I can or will do about it (I only have time to worry about my own problems), so I'm tired of constantly hearing about black people's problems with racism. I just don't have the energy for it anymore. I'll make sure I don't discriminate against anybody, but that's as far as I'm willing to go. There are more important things for me to worry about.

    February 1, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • JAnderdon

      You are doing your part when you don't discriminate against others. Now if EVERYONE would just do that.

      February 1, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOH

      While I don't speak for the black community, I can say I very much respect your perspective.

      Immigrants and foreigners aren't asking for much. We're just asking for a respectful approach like POWMIA. Even if you hate black, yellow, brown, whatever... as long as you show common courtesy like that, we're good. The best kind of people are the type that try to live their lives in peace instigating no violence and no drama... and respecting others at least in a courteous manner. If people followed your approach more, I would be content... not like I'm dealing with serious discrimination.

      Friends making fun of each other is fine. But there are boundaries and out of ALL the diverse friends I have, it's always the white friends who take things too far. Habitual line stepper/crosser. My parents told me when i was younger (Keep in mind they are traditional Asians and they are much better now but they used to be very racist) "Latinos and black people may be violent and inappropriate many times... but white people are the most dangerous. They will look civil and nice, but they are also the biggest backstabbers and instigators on the planet."
      While I have many "violent and inappropriate" friends (many Latino and black), it's true what they said though. I've grown up in brutal streets where violence is a common occurrence. Majority of my friends from the same type of places are tired of the violence and don't think it's worth it. Some of them don't even play violent video games because it has become such a taboo for them... meanwhile, many of my white friends LOOK for trouble. They intentionally disrespect and instigate. This is true for all races but I have never seen it so common as white people have demonstrated.

      Just because you're civilized doesn't make you good human beings. Civilized just means you can wait patiently to get what you want. Serial killers can be civil.

      February 1, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • joe

        go eat some rice you nip

        February 1, 2012 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Rendon

        Lol, your parents were raging racists. Does it suck to realize that with the exception of skin color, all the negative things described as being perpetrated by white people apply to your home just as much? Every race has its individuals who we would rather disown. Racism will die in this country as the older generations die off. Most of us younger folks just stare in confusion as our elders tie themselves in knots trying to find a racial justification in every slight, whether perceived or real...

        February 1, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • Voliza

        Those are the white people YOU choose to associate with. They don't reflect ALL white people.

        February 2, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Ct

    Gee, ya think a guy who makes a living on race issues thinks there is still a problem... 3 biggest reason we still have racism.

    3) some guys in power got there for pulling the race card
    2) Some guys make money from racism (this author
    1) CNN is trying to become the place for the minorities that need an excuse for failure over a white or Asian

    February 1, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Vm

      I am a very successful professional of Indian origin. I don't think the bad feeling I get when people judge me based on my color has anything to do with how successful I am.

      February 1, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • erin

      I'm a white girl who does not make her living off "race issues" and I, too, KNOW that racism is a very real problem in modern America. So, what's wrong with you?

      February 1, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Report abuse |
  4. marc

    I spent 2 months last summer in the Carolinas and I couldn't tell you how many times I heard Barack Obama referred to as that "n***ger* president. These are the same people that call themselves evangelical christians.

    February 1, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve1959

      I don't buy it. I live in southern Alabama, you don't get more evengelical than here. It's true he's never going to win over the hearts and minds of the people here, but that it strictly because of his politics. The only ones I've heard use the "N" word referring to the president are black people.

      February 1, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • JOH

        Carolina is a bit different than Alabama. I do believe Carolina would have people throwing slurs like that around..

        To be honest, I did expect people from alabama to also throw around the n word. Perhaps the biggest growing racism in America is resentment towards white people. I know I definitely do when speaking about issues like writing-incompetency in America, drinking/drug abuse, who screwed up the world, etc. Maybe we ALL need to take a step back... and stop caring. Let's face it. The real way to stop racism is if everyone in the world doesn't care about race. You can still be proud of your heritage.

        Also, I do give respect to you and also my apologies for assuming people in Alabama throw around the n word like that.

        February 1, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Voliza

      The actions of one or even several people of a race do not reflect everyone of that race. To say so makes YOU a racist.

      February 2, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Smiley

    Great article! But from reading the posts, I think there will always be people who believe what they want to believe in spite of the facts. In their minds, individuals are discriminated against because they deserve it. And then there is the belief that everyone who has been disadvantaged by racism is poor, on food stamps, or in prison. Not so! There are plenty of people of color who are multi-millionaires, who have Master's and Ph.D. degrees, and are very successful in their careers– yet, at some point in their lives, they experienced racism, and a lot of it. Just because they overcame it, doesn't mean that it doesn't have negative effects. And just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean that it's not real. After all, why bother spending your valuable time trying to convince the rest of us that we're imagining things?

    February 1, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • joe

      your ignorant and uneducated on the subject. leave your little white paradise and walk through murphy homes in baltimore. id love to smack u

      February 1, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • awoody4words

        OOOH!!!! – I would love to take you up on that Joe....but I'm not int ofighting guys with a size six shoe size!

        February 1, 2012 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kelly

        Joe, if you keep posting these super intelligent comments you might just convince someone to stop being a racist.. (that was said in sarcasm of course)

        February 2, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Lulz

    Race card:
    Usable when you just can't win an argument.

    February 1, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve1959

      Oh, yeah, well, your racist.

      February 1, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Risky

    To all the people screaming and crying "RACIST", my message to you is: get over it.

    Im not a fan of racism, but I do understand it is alive and will never die out. The most helpful step is to understand and accept that racism exist, and that there will always be someone that dislikes another because of exterior characteristics. Racism is just a small portion of a bigger problem; that problem is called "misunderstood." People fear what they dont understand. Agism, gender inequality, talk funny, look funny, act different, dress different. They all fall under the same category: hate. "Why isn't this person like? I dont understand them. They're weird/disgusting/dumb. I dislike them now. Im better than them, and now they are inferior to me."

    February 1, 2012 at 6:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Risky

      BTW, it's racist to say all white people are racist, BAHAHAHAHA (runs away).

      February 1, 2012 at 6:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Voliza

      And in this country you have the freedom to be racist so long as you aren't harming anyone else. No one wants to be told how to live, what to think and how to feel.

      February 2, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
  8. scott

    Hey Buddy You want some Cheese with that whine....This is not a debate about race relations this is a white liberal complaining about a percieved injustices that you made up in your head. Liberals are oddly preoccupied with race and want relieve thmeselves of guilt they feel for having it so good. So they want to take oppertunities away from other white people , not themselves mind you now, but white people who are not apart of the so called old boy network and who's fathers most likely lay brick and drive trucks to put food on the table.
    You want to have an open honest debate race then liberals cannot lead the discussion. There minds are already made up and they seek to justify those beliefs. Just like the right liberals tend to screw a lot of things up and need to be put on an island along with conservatives and let normal people fix the country.

    February 1, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Report abuse |
  9. c3vink

    Ridiculous. I am an upper-middle class white male with no criminal record and I get stopped and searched by police constantly. It isn't racism, it's that the cops in this country are out of control.

    February 1, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Voliza

      Did you ever think maybe it's the citizens of this country that are out of control? If you ask me, I don't think the police are doing enough. Have you not read the Justice section in the news?

      February 2, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Kevin

    Ha, I heard Bob Beckel, uber-liberal panel member of Fox New's "The 5" explain why he made a deragatory comment about poor southern white men the other day. Apparently, when he went down-south to register voter in the 1960's, some of the "country-type" didn't really appreciate his efforts, and was attacked. To this day he holds a distinct dislike of poor southern gentlemen of little education, who apparently have something "red" attached to their shoulders!

    It was at that point that it hit me; Me, a poor nothern white guy, who grew up a little after him in in the 60's and 70's in a large multi-cultural urban area on the east coast; who had a few more of his share of unprovoked and unwanted tussles with gentlemen from the African persuasion; generally in an attempt to take something that was mine; that I didn't feel so bad about being distrustful of black men anymore!

    I figured if liberal Bob can make hay of encounters 50 years ago, surely I'm not doing any wrong by relating my experiences of the 7 unprovoked and unwarrented attackes on my being by people from other than my race. As a matter of fact, I've never been attacked or robbed by a white guy, so suspecion I suppose is just human nature!

    But in the age of Obama we're suppose to be "Post Racial," but I guarantee that there was no push-back from Mr Beckel's comments, but if I had the same forum, on the same stage, I'd be fired today!

    Post Racial My ahrse!

    February 1, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Report abuse |
  11. chris

    i love my country and all of my people i am not racist in any way i only hate al-queda

    February 1, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Vm

    A lot o the racism can be attributed to the subtle racism of the dominant race that controls the media.

    Learning what any non white race is all about from the US media is like learning what democrats are all about from fox news.

    February 1, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • DGH49

      Give me a break. CNN is anti-white and promotes the cause of any minority be them of color, gay or female (which aren’t really a minority, but still claim the status).

      February 1, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
  13. chris

    i am sorry i dont have numbers like the person who wrote the article but i do have eyes

    February 1, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • tao

      Why rely on things like statistics and numbers when you can use gut-feeling? Oh yeah, that would be because that's the part that's BIASED.

      February 1, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
  14. chris

    lastly it not a hate crime in philadelphia to beat up white people for being white

    February 1, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • tao

      That is a hate crime SOUTH CAROLINA and MISSISSIPPI. Stop trying to feel disadvantaged.

      February 1, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
  15. always stuff

    there will always be racism, there will always be that one person screwing it up for the rest who want to move one, always someone stupid who has nothing else to do better in their life but encite ignorance. this stuff will never go away, discrimination and hate has been in the history of mankind since it started and wont end until the end. its a shame that people have to spend their lives in hate or not being educated enough to see whats going on or how to fix it. this country and its people need help. probably have others in other countries laughing at us for how we treat ourselves!

    February 1, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
  16. chris

    sorry i just havent seen to many white or asian crack peddlers

    February 1, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      If your measuring stick for racism is the sale of crack, then I'd say you are measuring device is the inappropriate one.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • randallicious

        thank you! chris claims not to be racist, but this article is describing him...smh

        February 1, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
  17. chris

    i have a simple solution if you dont like it here get the _ _ _ _ out

    February 1, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Sith Empire

    At the age of 18, every single person in this country is equalized and has the exact same opportunities as everyone else. White, black, latino, asian, male, female, it doesn't matter. You can join the military. You can learn discipline. You can learn to respect others. You can learn to work with others even if you ideology is completely different. And most important, you can get your college paid for.

    What a person does with the opportunities presented to them in life defines them. Choose to excel in school. Choose to drop out and join a gang. Choose to stay clean. Choose to do drugs. Choose to live peacefully with others. Choose to be a violent offender. The problems we see today have been created by generations of poor decision making and the continuous passing of the poor decision making process. And this will continue to happen until a certain group starts to hold themselves accountable for their poor decisions. But it's so much easier to blame others and call out the ever present boogeyman called "racism".

    February 1, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      Righteous post.

      A 12th grade education is that education which is mandated by the government in order to develop a citizen with basic skills to be able to participate in the nation and not be simply a drag on its other citizens. What if all government benefits for adults were tied to HS graduation? No graduation no SS, no Medicare/aid, military, government contracts, etc., though you would still be required to pay taxes to support them? Would this help or hurt?

      February 1, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Inglourious

      "At the age of 18, every single person in this country is equalized and has the exact same opportunities as everyone else." You and I must live in different countries; I live in the USA, how about you?

      " ...until a certain group starts to hold themselves accountable": you are showing your true colors now.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Fred Stevens

        I joined the US Army at 21 yrs old (Viet Nam War). Three year over seas vacation, all expenses paid (room & board, medical, travel expense, even free" hunting" for some. I came home, got a job, took-up school where I left off and applied for the GI Bill. I still had to study and treat my coworkers with respect, but I succeeded!.

        February 1, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
  19. AWM

    If you look at how many ethnic groups have already integrated to form, despite old biases, what you're referring now referring to as "white," and which would never have been considered, and in other parts of the world aren't considered, part of the same race, you wouldn't think that the possibility is so far fetched.

    February 1, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Mark L.

    Being a second-generation child to two wonderful Parents, both of whom survived the Holocaust atrocities during the most evil third reich, I think I can honestly state that until this nation eradicates racist groups like the KKK, neo-nazi movement and skin-heads, we will never be a post-racial society. Our society has come along way since the horrible racial riots of the 1950's / 1960's, but there's always room for improvement.

    Although it may not be relevant to this article, I also highly support gender equality and only hope the day will come that a woman will lead this great nation of ours – someone with the personality of a Hillary Rodham Clinton (who I actually supported against President Barack Obama during the 2008 Democratic primary). There have been many great female leader in this world, both past and present, to include Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, María Eva Duarte de Perón, etc. It's time for a Great Woman to be Commander in Chief of the USA, and NO, NOT Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann.

    February 1, 2012 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • mslman71

      Well, you better do it via the hearts and minds. Be careful what you try and do via direct legislation, or more specifically prohibition. Your relatives should've given you a good dose of the risks to calling up the thought police.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve1959

      You forgot a couple of racist groups like Nation of Islam, the New Black Panthers, Nation of Yahweh, Bobo Shanti, Tribu Ka, Southern Poverty Law Center, etc. There's over 150 Black hate groups in this country, which by far outnumbers the white hate groups.

      February 1, 2012 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • madamelaverite

        The Black Panthers was created in response to police brutality in LA and was not a racist organization. The Nation of Islam believes whites are the devil incarnate and were created in a lab by a mad scientist named Mr. Yakub. I sh* you not. They are a racist organization.

        February 7, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Hard Luck

    How bout this? I don`t care about post racial. Motivated people WILL succeed unmotivated people Will fail. It`s up to you to either accept that some people will never like you and overcome on your own merit and hard work or forever blame others for your own failure. The world is a big place and opportunity is abound.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mr. Smith

      What happend when you get pulled stop by the cops while walking down the street just for being black or latino. what happens when you are more than qualitified for a job but because you have a "black" or "latino" name you get passed over. What happens when you try to start your own business and you go to get a loan but you get denied b/c you are "high risk" with an above average credit score just because you are black or latino.

      yes motivation is good but it wont fix everything

      February 1, 2012 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • mslman71

        I was stopped by a cop while walking down the street (it was late at night) on my way home just a few months ago. Why? I don't know, he didn't say. Just asked me a few questions and shined a light in my face and left. I was fine, normal, orderly, not staggering, wearing regular clothes, just walking home as I live in the city. Was I stopped because I am white? If I were black would that have been the reason?

        February 1, 2012 at 5:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • PaulBunyanlovesblackpeople

        Well, how can you be certain you failed at any of those things because of your skin color? How does one gauge that, because accusing people of racism is a pretty serious (and damaging) accusation? You can't just throw it around every time you don't get your way.

        There are plenty of white folks who don't get the job they want, nor the house/loan they want/need.
        Funny how some people think things should work out for them and, when they don't, they'll grapple at any old excuse as to why they've been screwed.

        The only thing you're guaranteed in life is death and taxes, even if you're exceptionally bright AND work your *ss off.

        Sorry, but that's life.

        February 1, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sin1ster

        To mslman71: No, if you were black, you would have been searched, asked questions. Because you were white you were only questioned and let go.

        February 1, 2012 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Voliza

        LOL! Are you kidding me? Did people actually tell you that you were being pulled over or denied a job or loan because of your ethnic background? That's just absolutely silly, and it's completely illegal. The banks don't care what color you are, they just want your money. Next time I don't get my way I should start blaming it on the fact that I'm a woman and making up excuses for my own shortfalls. Let's blame it on everyone else and not be responsible for ourselves. You're silly.

        February 2, 2012 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • madamelaverite

        @mslman71

        Sometimes black people are stopped because they are perceived to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes they are stopped for legitimate reasons, too. As a white man, you have no idea about the constant and petty indignities black people encounter on a fairly regular basis and it's pretty insulting for you to insinuate that somehow it's all in our heads.

        I am a middle-class, educated female who has been followed around in stores for no good reason, questioned as to whether a credit card from a high end department store was my own in a very aggressive manner (my name was on it) and asked what I was doing in a place perceived to be an environment where only white people should be. There have been many more incidents, but I won't bore everyone.

        In the absence of any logical reasons for these specific inquiries, why else would I have been bothered aside from the color of my skin? I look perfectly respectful. Well dressed, attractive, etc. Unfortunately as a black person, people view me through stereotypical lens. If I'm a woman I'm combative, I have several children out of wedlock (I'm married and no kids yet), I was raised in a ghetto, I'm inarticulate, lazy, immoral, thieving, prefer rap music, etc.

        As a white male, particularly an educated middle class variety white male, the stereotypes attached to you are likely to be few if any. If you're a black male, no matter what your class or educational level, I can assure you that in the dark no matter what you're doing, it will be seen through a stereotypical lens. That's the difference.

        February 7, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Dhillon

    There will always be difference, it is human nature, so don't bother unless it really matters. The more you bother the worse it gets. Same is true in India. I belong to Punjab State of India and we employ people from other indian states like UP, Bihar state to work in our farms and we don't treat them equal, it is nature. American in general are very sophisticated, they do not say anything on face but might show side effects which could be even worse. Just don't bother unless it really matters, differences will always be there and who cares as long as we are safe and opportunities are available. Peace Cheers.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
  23. JustAThought

    It seems, based on people's responses, that racial inequality is only a piece of a larger problem in the U.S.: a poor education system. Educate yourselves on the issues first, regardless of your race. Then judge.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Mrs. Balkcom

    I'd gladly discuss this with any white person who like to have a non-emotional and non-defensive exchange. We will never agree as white and black but if we can understand and respect each other, I'd go for that.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fred Stevens

      We need to ALL tell each other Hi!, How are you?, or Howdy! Smile at each other. Engage each other in light conversation.

      As a teen back in the 1950s, I longed for the future 1990s, when all the racial tensions would be forgotten. All the KKK members of the 1950s are either dead or too old to cause troubles. However, I (a white old geezer) remember a few yrs ago I went out on a job site a few counties removed. When I arrived, the company man warned me to be careful, because a local KKK hauncho (sp?) would be by soon. We were ALL nervous. No one dared challenge him, which is what we should have all done.
      Kids (of all descriptions) be POLITE to your teachers and don't throw racial comments at them just for being White, Asian or whatever. The racial hatred I endured as a teacher was disgraceful! And the (black) high school administration looked the other way!!!!!! So, what were the administrators teaching the students?? Nothing positive!
      Everyone, smile at each other!!

      February 1, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Jerry

    Now, now! Who's really stoking the fires of racism just or remunerism? Just asking!

    February 1, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • scottkey

      Jerry, obviously you are in denial.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Mr. Smith

    I find it interesting that there are so many post trying to discredit the writter. This is a perfect case of denial. The writter hit the "nail on the head" here. It's bigger than you think. I wonder what the ethnicity is of those saying racisism doesnt exist or trying to say blacks and latinos are to blame

    February 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • mslman71

      I'd like to challenge the idea the disparate outcomes is equivalent to systematic racism for one. I'm not saying there isn't [systematic] racism but equating the two is irresponsible and a bit lazy. Correlated, yes, causal, that's not so easy to say. The SCOTUS got lazy and decided to make the equivalency, probably because it makes legislation and policy easier, and it's a good sound bite, but I think it does a disservice to those trying to solve the underlying problems.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • scottkey

      Don't you mean writer?

      February 1, 2012 at 4:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sith Empire

      Mr. Smith's resume would have been tossed in the trash can due to his inability to spellcheck. He would not get the job. And he would believe that he was passed up because someone didn't like the way he looked. When in fact he was passed because of his lack of attention to detail.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • madamelaverite

        So all black people blame their failures on the "man." We all feel we are owed a living just by virtue of our skin color and "victimized" status. You truly have some unique insight into the black psyche. Let me guess, Rush Limbaugh School of Pulling Racist BS out of your a** Ph.D candidate.

        February 1, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Vm

    The author should note, CNN is racist too. When they report about any non European country, they always report selectively in a biased negative way. For instance, they will be very quick to point out any crime against women in India. But they will never mention any of the strong laws (such as the 498a and many more) that are meant to protect the women in India. Most educated women in India and very well aware of such laws and routinely use (and mis use) it to protect themselves. The only reason many women still get suppressed is because a sizeable portion of the country is still uneducated and un aware of these laws.
    Any way the point is, learning what India (or any non white country) is all about from the US media is like learning what democrats are all about from fox news.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom

      Absolutely brilliant!

      February 1, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • warriorforge

      Vm, you've obviously never read an article by Lanny Davis, Alan Colmes, Kirsten Powers, Ellen Ratner, just to name a few. Fox's TV lineup certainly favors the conservative side (which touches on why I almost never watch news, but use websites), but their website is far more fair to the Libs than any other 'mainstream' media outlet is to the Conservatives. Other than that, though, you make a good point. Having traveled overseas myself, I know how bad our media here in America are about reporting things overseas.

      February 1, 2012 at 6:24 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Bregginkrak

    There is only one solution!

    We must all submit to a World Government that will assign us mating partners most likely to produce neutral brown skinned children. These children will be raised by the government Conformity Schools and no diversity will be tolerated. Jobs will be assigned at birth and end of life celebrations will be had at 75 years of age.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • RVH

      Look around! My son has more friends who come from mixed parents than not. Texas is going brown quicker than in your stupid pretend world. I like to think of North America as the tip of an iceberg. White and small on top and brown, enormous and unstoppable on the bottom.

      Don't worry! It's a good thing! Unless of course you are a racist!

      February 1, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Voliza

        I don't look at illegal immigration as a 'good thing'. I'm not into the idea of unknown persons traveling into our country and bringing with the diseases that were eradicated decades ago. Tuberculosis, for one.

        February 2, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Larry Moniz

    There are streets named after Martin Luther King, but that's not the main point. I was raised in Massachusetts. Blacks, whites, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish, whatever the race and ethnicity, all went to school together, movies together, etc. Unfortunately, some black extremists in the 1960s used the racism of the South to capitalize on their own agendas in the North. For instance, I clearly remember a black activist at a party thrown by a fellow journalist insisting that racially bigotry was a pervasive problem in our town. I told he he had no idea what he was talking about, that I was born and raised there, had many black friends and neighbors and the real problem was a substantial impoverished population due to closing of many clothing factories. As I traveled to other parts of our nation, I learned that nasty, overt racism increased the farther South one traveled and is often fostered by white, low class, "Christians" who like to feel superior by asserting themselves over those they deemed inferior. Because of such a mentality being passed on from generation to generation, it's unlikely racism will ever be stamped out, but things have improved and, if everyone is vigilant, they will continue to do so.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Voliza

      Funny thing about that is most streets named after Martin Luther King are in notoriously bad sections of town.

      February 2, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
  30. kashi

    a complex issue for sure but LOADED with denial and rhetoric. We have Black History month eveery year in all our elementary schools. Try having a WHITE history month and just watch the riots that would ensue. People of color routinely call each other the "N word" but should a white utter the same, they face brutal beating and/or jail time. A person of color with the same academic acheivements will be chosen over a white for college admission and be granted FAR more financial assistance than one who checks off the "caucasian" box on their admission form. People of color working in the service industry serve "their own" and when they abuse the white folk, they get away with it. Whites in the reverse situation, being rude to a person of color – are fired on the spot. and yeah...lets talk a bit about crime rate, drug use etc. There is abuse no matter what race, color or economic background. yet it is people of color who commit far more crimes to accomplish this goal and get far more violent in defending this lifestyle. There is a reason other than simple discrimination that puts those of color behind bars. Utter these simple truths and be vilified!!! so...until we land back on the planet earth and address reality, it will go on. and on.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Jesse

    Jesse

    Not really that great of article as everyone is saying. What part of your body did you pull your statistics from? I guess this article served the authors purpose. A bunch of uneducated pats on the backs from many and a slight ego boost for Mr. Tim Wise. Funny the article and books on race comes from a white man (Mr. Tim Wise) as well ( so you can obviously see the begging of acceptance from the opposite races this guy is clammering for).

    @ Juggernaut

    You keep spitting out the same stat. Stats are Stats. Africa Americans tend to live at lower income levels which in turn perpetuates crime. So black neigborhoods tend to have a stronger police presence ...thus more arrests. If you look at stats, more white people tend to have a more negative view of Mexicans than Blacks (but the arrests don't paint that picture). Your viewsnd ideas are inherently flawed.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mr. Smith

      but why do they live in low income areas?.. because they either wont get hired for a position they are qualified for or they are vastly under paid. Also its clear that blacks and latinos get profiled more that white people. Let me ask you 2 questions... do you believe that black people vote?.. I'm guessing no. next question.. do you believe that black people smoke more weed than white people? im guessing you are going to say yes. Well if you answered like im figuring you did then how was weed voted legal in california.. you cant have it both ways.. if black people dont vote.. then who did? see whats wrong is that since all you see on t.v., who is controlled by who again?, is black people on cops or some story about a crime comitted then thats all people know when in reality its quite different. there is so much more that can be said but if you just read what the writter of the artical wrote with an open mind then maybe you just might see it. for the record.. I'm a 28 yr old white guy from S.C. so I see it first hand....

      PS its sad that if a black person were to say what I did or the writter did, then they would be told they were jsut pulling the race card,

      February 1, 2012 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • scottkey

        Learning how to spell the word "writer" will augment your credibility, wouldn't you say?

        February 1, 2012 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mr. Smith

        @ Scottkey

        out of all that all you have to say is a comment on a typo.... yea you're a smart one

        February 1, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kanisha

        What really is wrong with white people is that they are so arrogant , they want to dictated Black and Latino people how to think, act , eat, vote and live, the hell with you ignorants.

        February 1, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • warriorforge

        @Mr. Smith – yes he was being too nitpicky, however, fair or not, that sort of thing (yes even a minor spelling/grammatical error) can make the difference between your resume getting a good look or ending up in the outgoing bin (aka garbage can).

        February 1, 2012 at 6:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thayer

        Way to generalize an entire race there Kanisha. Now guess who's the ignorant racist here. Yeah that's right – YOU.

        February 1, 2012 at 7:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Voliza

        Yes, I believe black people vote. Some do and some don't, I'm sure that's a given. What does bother me about the black people that I have spoken to that are voting is that several have mentioned they are only voting for Obama because he is black. That's the only reason. These people knew nothing about the issues at hand, and based their vote off the color of his skin. If that's not racist, I don't know what is.

        February 2, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
  32. K.T.Will

    Thank you very much Tim Wise. Your article was true,reverent, accurate,and on time. I totally appreciate your opinion!

    February 1, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jesse

      Wow why don't you kiss his butt a little more. Like I said before stupid article for stupid people.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
  33. rad666

    “In complete darkness we are all the same, it is only our knowledge and wisdom that separates us, don't let your eyes deceive you.” Really so sick and tired of the whole race thing being used as a crutch...............................

    February 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
  34. dudley0418

    Juggernot – man, you have too much to say. More think. Less type.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
  35. Romano70

    Read all the posts in here....isn't it amazing how people show their true colors when they know they can remain anonimous? Hate is alive and well. Wow! If you read the comments, you will realize that most of the hate comments come from conservatives. They hate affirmative action, they hate that gays are asking for equal rights, they hate those da*n illegals, stealing our jobs...they hate people in food stamps because they are lazy...they hate women who have abortions because life is sacred (but life ends at birth appearently, becuase once the baby is born, if you don't have money for health insurance, and the baby needs surgery you are on your own)....hate hate hate. That is all the conservative movement is about.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      I invite you to reread mine and find hate in them.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      Here's one:

      In order to be a part of and enjoy the benefits of a society a person has to become part and parcel of that society. To be "American" is to be an ingredient in a soup. The beef in beef stew may be the primary ingredient but the carrot cannot be the beef. It is not for that reason any less a part of the soup. When people begin to realize that they are as important an ingredient in the American soup as any other part, even if they cannot be the 'starring' ingredient, this BS argument will continue. It is a matter of perspective, and negativity is always more contagious than positivity

      February 1, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      Here's another:

      The little toe says, "I cannot be an eye, so I'm not a part of this body." It is not for this reason any less a part of the body. If the body was all eyes, how would it walk; if all little toes, how would it see?

      Unless people decided For Themselves that they are an important part of society, they will not be. It is less a matter of prejudice and racism as it is a matter of personal perspective. If you keep saying, "I'm worthless and a failure," you will be one. If you keep giving others power over your free will, you will have none. Claim it to be yours and you become powerful

      February 1, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      Here's a third: If you find hate in them it is beacuse you are determined to find it, nothing else.

      Everyone blames the bad stuff on someone else. Most issues are within and need to be deleted. Imagine a poor child who has been taught that he will be a failure because he is brown – and learns that he has worth and merit and a mind, and says "FU!" to those who would tell him he has no future. THIS is a triumph of the spirit and a resolution to the larger problem. It's not what others think about you, but what you think about yourself!

      February 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • RAcism in both parties

        WHAT COLOR IS THE SKY OF YOUR PLANET.

        February 1, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • dudley0418

        Right now grey, because it's raining. Yours? I'll bet it's the color of your monitor, whatever it happens to be at any given time, with little bubbles of spittle on it.

        February 1, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • K.T.Will

      So very true! HATE...the root of all evil!

      February 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • dudley0418

        So then, for troubleshooting purposes and in trying to find the least common denominator so we can find the Actual root – – Since hate is the root of all evil, what is the root of all hate? And just keep going back until you can find nothing else. There's your real ROOT.

        February 1, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • dudley0418

        Is it despair, frustration, want or lack....what?

        I'll bet you say, "Some people are just bad...," which is not an answer but frustration on your part because you don't know why people hate. Find that out and understand more.

        February 1, 2012 at 5:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • RAcism in both parties

      You are wrong, the place where I work mostly are Liberals and racism and discrimination is the same, White gays and white female supervisors are the worse and discriminated against Blacks and Latinos. All the better jobs are giving among themselves. That's racism and discriminations to the max.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • dudley0418

        So stay there – and give tacit approval to their actions.

        What is easier to change, one or a thousand?

        February 1, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      No answer from Romano70.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peese

      Well said! I will know that racism is over, when I can go out with my white husband and not be stared at. As far as opportunity goes....inner city schools are extremely behind the rest of the country. I believe that the key to equality begins with education. Hopefully, the republicans are willing to stop stripping money away from education to hand out tax cuts to the top 1%.

      February 1, 2012 at 6:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kelly

      dudley0418, people like Ramano70 cannot/will not use facts in their post. You are asking him to find hate in your posts to prove his point, but he will not do it.. He operates on emotion, and that emotion is hate.

      February 2, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
  36. Randal Flag

    Ya know, I always love the posts that are generated by this type of article.
    Rarely is the original article ever addressed. The gist of the article is very straight forward.
    Do white people enjoy a privileged place in society based on pigmentation? I would love to see responses that address the issue? Instead, we get the same vitriol by people. Here, I’ll start. Yes white people enjoy white skin privilege.
    The fact that they may not always be aware of it does not change the fact that they do. Let’s give a couple of examples of what I am talking about. There was a case in Boston many years ago and a white guy killed his pregnant wife. He then said “ A black guy did it” For weeks black me were rounded up without any due process and it did not how far the away from the description the person being stopped was. Only after the knee jerk reaction to the thought of some black man killing white women did some cop start putting on his thinking cap and realized that the husband did it.
    Same thing with Susan Smith Killed her kids and then said “ A black man did it” the reason they did this is because they know how white people think. This thinking has not changed since either of these incidents. Excuse the broad stoke here, because I know many clear thinking people of all races.
    At the same time I have to accept that the posts here are reflective of the larger body of white America.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • kendall

      I agree. The thread is schizophrenic in that most people posting are not even dicussing the facts of the story which are that lighter skinned people in the country as well as across the Carribbean and South America enjoy better treatment than their darker hued brothers. Even among balcks it used to be so but thankfully that type of self hatred was recognized and eradicated. I wish he same could be said for the ignorant way whites treat blacks in this country.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • madamelaverite

        Unfortunately colorism still exists in the black community and in other nations across Asia and the Caribbean.

        February 1, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
  37. FredModerate

    Although the points made about the continuing existence of racism in our society are no doubt valid, I think maybe the author has misunderstood the semantics of the term "post racial". I think it can be said that "post racial" as the definition of an age of our society is akin to "the industrial age" or "the space age". Being in the space age did not mean that we had fully explored space; it meant that we had gone beyond the Earth for the first time and entered space. It was the beginning of an age, not the culmination of an age. Likewise, with a black man becoming the leader of the free world, it can be fairly said that we are entering the post racial age, not that we have reached the culmination of what that age aspires to be.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
  38. right-left dosn't matter

    So long as there are people white or black who want to blaim their failures on someone else there will be racism.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • JUGGERNAUT

      A BLACK GUY WAS KILLED BY THREE WHITE BOY, USING THEIR CARS. THEY SAID THEY WERE OUT LOOKING FOR A N***ER.

      WAS THE GUY KILLED BLAMED HIS PROBLEM ON OTHERS???? lmao

      RACISM IS ALIVE AND WE WILL FIGHT, LIKE IT OR NOT WE REALLY DONT CARE.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Max Powers

      As long as there are racists, there will be racism.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • AMERICA IS A CONTINENT NOT A COUNTRY

      There will racism as long as the media, Hollywood and work places are discriminating against Blacks and Latino people. For instance CNN ,ABC,CBS to name a few are big time racist, every monring when you watch tv, read the news etc all you see WHITE culture celebration.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:37 pm | Report abuse |
  39. dudley0418

    QUESTION: When Caucasians cease to be a minority in the US, what will happen to that phrase that is so often used in legislation, "Women and minorities"?

    Does ANYone have an answer for that? I can't get any politicians to answer.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      ...cease to be a majority..

      February 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      This is an important question because it places the shoe on the other foot.If there is any difference in your perspective from condition to the other, then you have some internal work to do on yourself which the whole point. It is how you see yourself and see within yourself that matters. Not what anyone else thinks.

      You must first give your permission for anyone to insult or have power over you.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Max Powers

        Whites will still be dominant because we've held the power for so long. It didn't matter that the Shia in Iraq were a physical majority when the Sunni's held the power, they still had a minority of legal rights. The meaning of the word "minority" will have an additional meaning, or we will find a new word to describe it. People of color will still be in the minority in top level jobs, due to the pre existing power structure.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      That's not an answer but a blog.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kanishaking

      When the politicians say women and minorities, they are referring to the white women the ones who are getting all the good jobs and better pays than people of color in this case Blacks and Latinos. The white women are the ones who benefited from The Civil Rights movement.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom

      Are you concerned that whites will then be a protected class from the racial recriminations of others? And that being protected they will be demotivated to strive for success? And being demoted from striving for success will they then become an underclass? And as an underclass will they blame all evil that befalls them on those that wield undue power in the culture and use that power to promote their own interests? Just curious.

      February 1, 2012 at 6:20 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Nick

    Why is it that CNN's stories on race are ONLY about black people? Black people in America have it better than Middle Easterners, Indians or Asians. They are better represented in entertainment and sports, have more laws protecting them and insuring they are employed and are also viewed more favorably by a majority of the American population.

    If they don't want to work hard even with all these advantages why is it everyone elses fault?

    February 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Max Powers

      Black people do work hard, but not as hard as you do at being racist.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • really!!!!!!

      Racism towards Blacks and Latinos in this country is done by whites and asians. IF you go shop to an asian place and you are either Black or Latino, the asian will follow everywhere, and they have a sign in their door "Will call police"in their broken Engllish.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
  41. Billy Bob

    How can we be post-racial when so many people make their living from whining about racism?

    Simple FACT: racist bigotry is far more common among non-whites than among whites, and that is overlooked by these libtards because their is no way to squeeze minorities for guilt payments.

    Most minorities are not so stupid.

    Most minorities are good people, just like most whites are good people. But we let the media and academians who are owned by the wealthy to divide us against each other and so they can profit by us undercutting and preying on each other.

    Mr. Wise probably knows exactly what I am talking about and adds to this division with full knowlege and forethought.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • JUGGERNAUT

      KKK, IKA, ARA, ARYAN NATION, NAZI LOW RIDER, THE ORDER AND ETC...

      NO... WHITES ARE THE MOST RACIST TOWARD EVERY RACE.

      RACISM IS NOT FROM "WITHIN", BEING DISCIMINATED AGAINST IS NOT FROM "WITHIN"

      February 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • mslman71

        Really? You haven't studied African or Asian cultures and history much have you?

        February 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Linda

      If it's a Fact Billy Bob, why don't you share with us your sources for that so-called fact. I hear you 'fact' so much with my white friends and it makes me sick that people are still so naive as to believe it without any proof.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Ralph Silver

    While I agree that racism and discrimination (which is exercised by all skin colors and ethnic groups) widely exists in the U.S., I believe that Tim Wise's examples point to discrimination based on socioeconomics and perceptions of values rather than on any other characteristics. Explaining these complex problems as racism is intellectually lazy and it implies that white Americans are at fault -that's racist in itself. I think most Americans discriminate based on the perception of value differences. I'm "white hispanic" and I voted for Barak Obama not because I disliked John Mcain's "whiteness" or because of Obama's "blackness"; I voted for him because his values more closely matched mine and I could relate to his socioeconomic background.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really!!!

      White Hispanic is as racist as a white european , so ,do not come here with you stupid coment, white hispanics are racists againts Latino Indigenous people or Black people, the reason you voted as other whites did for Obama is because he is half white, that simple.

      February 1, 2012 at 6:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kelly

        Really.. Do you have any intelligent comments to make.. You spout gibberish, commom problem here though..

        February 2, 2012 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
  43. marcie

    Seriously!? I live in the urban south where young black girls are cranking out babies 90 to nothing. If there is a race issue it needs to be cleaned up first and foremost within the black community. When a local high school is on every national network because of the shear number of pregnant black teens, I'd say that he cure to racism beings within those schools and neighborhoods. The race card is pulled on a regular basis in the south. Constructive criticism on the job is deemed a racial attach here in the south. Heaven forbid if a white boss counsel a black employee! Don't know about the North, West or East but in the south the black community has no interest in becoming contributing members of society. It is all about what they can get for nothing, whilst cranking out babies with out daddies. Best of luck I home other parts of the country are better.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mary Smith

      Dang..............white lady, you are WHITE, english is your first language, don't ditch black people with bad grammer. Dang

      February 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • m

        Sorry not white, but a first generation American. I was a quick study when it came to racism in the south, I saw quickly who worked and who incessantly gave birth out of wedlock. I saw those whom perpetuated the obvious and realistic stereo type that sucked the life out of the local economy, young and black. I venture to say that most of the babies born to these uneducated young girls will be in jail before the age of 20. But nice try!

        February 1, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mrs. Balkcom

      It's sad that this is the experience with black people that you chose to share. It appears you've never encountered those of us that are productive members of society.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Max Powers

      You are what the article is about. Thanks for providing an example.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • reality check

        you are a fool. What this poster said about blacks in the south is 100% true.

        February 1, 2012 at 5:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • You are a joke, lady

      You would love to have a Black or Latino man as a lover and them you will be happy.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • reality check

        Is your post English? What is this?

        February 1, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Monique

      Well, I moved to Minnesota from the South, in Minnesota with 90% of the population is white and liberals but as racists are the rest of the country, in Minnesota the whites stubb you in the back and you do not notice it until it is late. To live in a state where the people are nice from mouth out and with a hatefull heart is even worse than living in the South.

      February 1, 2012 at 6:15 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Tim

    If we recover from this recession, as appears likely, then blacks et al. will continue to make giant strides toward equality. And two generations from now, this article will have no meaning. But there is an element of truth in it and everyone needs to address it for the benefit of our country.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Vicky13

      Asians are the most racist people in this country, greedy, the women wants a white men only if he has money.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • MarkCali

      Cold fusion, also called low-energy nuclear reactions (LENR), is a type of relatively low temperature nuclear reaction reported to have occurred by some experimenters, but which others have not been able to reproduce. Both the experimental results and the hypothesis are disputed. -Disputed, but none the less, cold fusion is true. E.G. The Earth is flat, we could never reach the moon, etc....
      Love you Tim, but no matter how you cut it I don't see the reasoning for why the economy getting better is specific to one race making "great strides" in the society as a whole. Social "great strides" are not limited to race, and I thought all races were making "great strides" in Science, Engineering, Biotechnology, and IT development.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
  45. liesl h

    sounds like a bunch of blanket statements repeated by elitist. though some accurate, most propaganda. and though i do not see the united states, or any country in a post racial era.... the author wants to finger point to only 1/2 the problem!

    February 1, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
  46. coder

    at what point has any american history era not been racial?

    February 1, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • mslman71

      At what point in human history?

      February 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Bod Dole

    That was a very well written article. I was impressed.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
  48. JUGGERNAUT

    The Monitoring the Future Survey of high school seniors shows that white students annually use cocaine at 4.6 times the rate of African Americans students, use crack cocaine at 1.5 times the rate of African Americans students, and use heroin at the same rate of African Americans students, and that white youth report annual use of marijuana at a rate 46% higher than African American youth09>

    February 1, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • JUGGERNAUT

      However African American youth are arrested for drug offenses at about twice the rate()

      SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/are-blacks-a-criminal-rac_b_8398.html

      February 1, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • warriorforge

        posting a quote with huffpo and van jones in the link? That's a credibility killer for you lol!

        February 1, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Stashu

        Yes, it called profiling. If we stop and check you MUCH more often than white youth, we will find you in possesion many more times than white youth.

        February 2, 2012 at 6:19 am | Report abuse |
  49. JUGGERNAUT

    The Monitoring the Future Survey of high school seniors shows that white students annually use cocaine at 4.6 times the rate of African Americans students, use crack cocaine at 1.5 times the rate of African Americans students, and use heroin at the same rate of African Americans students, and that white youth report annual use of marijuana at a rate 46% higher than African American youth......>

    February 1, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • JUGGERNAUT

      JUGGERNAUT
      JUGGERNAUT
      However African American youth are arrested for drug offenses at about twice the rate>>

      SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/are-blacks-a-criminal-rac_b_8398.html

      February 1, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
  50. JUGGERNAUT

    The Monitoring the Future Survey of high school seniors shows that white students annually use cocaine at 4.6 times the rate of African Americans students, use crack cocaine at 1.5 times the rate of African Americans students, and use heroin at the same rate of African Americans students, and that white youth report annual use of marijuana at a rate 46% higher than African American youth......

    February 1, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • JUGGERNAUT

      JUGGERNAUT
      However African American youth are arrested for drug offenses at about twice the rate......

      SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/are-blacks-a-criminal-rac_b_8398.html

      February 1, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • mslman71

        It's too bad the author didn't include a breakdown of how they are getting caught. I'd be curious to know if the social settings for drug use differ between races and socio-economic groups. I'm guessing the stronger correlation is with the latter but I can't be sure.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • JUGGERNAUT

        @mslman71

        NO MATTER WHAT FACTS AND SOURCE ARE PRESENTED TO YOU, YOU WILL ALAYS BE IN DENIAL.

        LMAO

        WELL THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, BECAUSE WE KNOW RACISM EXIST AND WE WILL FIGHT IT.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • mslman71

        You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

        I didn't deny it. I said it's too bad the author didn't include more information. Which part of that do you find confusing?

        You see, I don't read articles to support my preconceptions. I read them for the purpose of gaining information and try to be critical of that information so as not to be led by the nose by the author. I'm willing to take the author's research at face value, but more information would be useful. There's a big leap from a statistical disparity in outcome to a systematic policy of racism.

        The better you understand the details the better a position you are in to fight it. Otherwise you're just ranting and punching into the wind and you're not going to be taken seriously.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • JUGGERNAUT

        BALH BLAH BLAH BLAHB LAH

        DUDE, YOU WILL NEVER BE HAPPY WITH ANY FACTS OR SOURCE.

        AND I REALLY DONT CARE.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • mslman71

        Would you ever be satisfied? Or do you just look for what you want to hear?

        You know what that makes you? Lazy. Intellectually lazy. As an individual, neither of us cares what the other thinks, but if you're going to make a cause out of it you need to put a little more energy and thought into your statements.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • reality check

        LOL! How are you going to fight it? You can't fight anything while you are in line for a handout.

        February 1, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kelly

        mslman71, thanks for trying to keep things civil and factual..

        February 2, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
  51. T-Bone3

    racism does exist... and people like the author of this book who profit are only fueling the problem. along with media who also fuel the problem. to me to have the question asked on job applications or anything really "what race are you white, african american, Latino etc etc.... is a waste. people need to wake up and realize that we area all one. we are AMERICANS. i'm white. half my family moved from different parts of the world. germany, Sweden, Scottish, and Ireland. i admit my great great great (however many more) grandfather owned a tobacco field. i never met the guy but what he did was wrong for owning slaves. but that wasn't me... i also have native american blood in me from 2 different tribes. yet i don't sit here and ask for government handouts or complain to EVERYONE not just whites that you took over my ancestors land. people need to wake up and open there eyes and not see everything as black and white or white Vs minorities. the only time we came together was 911 and that moment was short lived. same as Katrina or any war. people helped one another no matter there race or religion. again they were also short lived. i go to church and believe we are all created equal in gods eyes. weather your religious or not you should still see everyone as equal. i donate every year what i can afford not to white families. or just american families. but abroad. this year i've donated to Africa and to a local family here in my home town and at my church i attend too. but people in my area look at me and see i'm white and i'm probably racist. i have Hispanics and blacks in my family yet i'm labeled a racist for my blue eyes by the average "minority" i pass o the street. and i get starred at all the time and get called white boy, and when i move out of the way from a group of young black males i hear " haha white boy got scared". i write it off... people both black and white need to stop thinking everyone is out against them... if you do think that way, you're obviously are at war with yourself. i realize and so does everyone else that racism will always be around... but little things like this author and this article do nothing to help.... just look through random posts and you'll see the anger and racist remarks that are caused over nothing. when you go to war with somebody from the same country as you're in, or if you're a fire fighter or a police officer you're know the person next to you has your back as you have there's regardless of the color on there skin. they see each other as brothers and family and AMERICANS. not labeled as black or white, yellow, brown. drill instructors said it best but i'm not going into that... i'm done ranting. i'm sure my post will get unwanted comments on my beliefs, but so be it. just know that you're the problem. stop blaming others for your struggles. we have the best brain surgeon who's black who invented separating conjoined twins at the head. that's something to be proud of not just cause you may be black but i'm proud because he's an American helping those in need.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • AMERICA IS A CONTINENT NOT A COUNTRY

      When are u going to learn that this country is name is USA not America. How ignorant of you , white fellow.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • T-Bone3

        you're an ass. when the president address' us a a nations we are called Americans. "my fellow Americans" ever hear it?? the world see's the people in the USA as Americans, they call us Americans. we are Americans. obviously you don't know what you're talking about. people in south America don't go by American's do they?? no. they go by Brazilians, Venezuelans etc etc. Canada are Canadians, Mexico= Mexicans. the people in the USA are referred to as Americans. if that's not what we are then please tell me what the correct term is for the people who live in the United States of America.... you can't because the correct term for us is Americans. lay off the shrooms and stop acting like you're a big shot writing a short sentence in response to what i wrote which your response has nothing to do with anything i said. this is about race not "i was high and wanted to find out why we're called Americans"

        February 2, 2012 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
  52. Vm

    Im an immigrant from India with a green card. Let me start by saying that I am very grateful for what the opportunity that this country has provided me. However that does not take away the years of racial discrimination that have been thru. Here are a few incidents from my past in US that I hope the likes of which stops happening somewhere in the future
    1> At my previous work places, the older white men always find a way to take a stand against me regardless of the underlying issue.
    2>Many whites insist that I took dowry and I suppress my wife. Not because they know me or my wife, but because they know this is what happens in India.
    3>On of my white co workers from France makes statements like "Men from India are greedy and cheap". According to him since he has some Indian female friends, that rules out the possibility of him being a racist against Indians.

    Indians unlike the African Americans and Latinos, are weak an non vociferous. This makes them an ideal target for the racists.

    Inspite of the incidents mentioned above, what I have gained in this country far surpasses all of my negative experiences above.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Vicky13

      People llike you are coming to this country to take jobs, you don't even asimilate our culture, since Indian people still wearing that ugly outfit, just go back to India and leave us alone.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Vm

        Vicky??? sounds like an Indian guy with a girly name 🙂

        YOU are the unwanted one both here and in India.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Linda

        Vicky where did your ancestors come from? Why didn't they just go back to where they came from? I can guarantee you that they were different from the people who were already here. Your comment was very ugly, you need to check yourself.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • NO, PLEASE, GO AWAY .......

      Immigrants from India are coming here more and more, how terrible, their accent is ugly as their face. They are going to overpopulate this continent as they did they country in India, better, they should all go back home after their visa expires.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sharonolsen

      well, I also do not like Indian culture, their food smell bad, a friend of mine was in India few months ago and she says there it is dirty, too many poor people, they don't seem to bath at all because the smell is bad, really bad, and now they are coming here, of couse, they are happy to be here taking jobs from our young people, they should go back home.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Report abuse |
  53. JUGGERNAUT

    The Monitoring the Future Survey of high school seniors shows that white students annually use cocaine at 4.6 times the rate of African Americans students, use crack cocaine at 1.5 times the rate of African Americans students, and use heroin at the same rate of African Americans students, and that white youth report annual use of marijuana at a rate 46% higher than African American youth.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • JUGGERNAUT

      However African American youth are arrested for drug offenses at about twice the rate

      SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/are-blacks-a-criminal-rac_b_8398.html

      February 1, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sin1ster

      Yeah, I kinda knew that already

      February 1, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
  54. dudley0418

    Most issues are within and need to be deleted.

    THIS is a triumph of the spirit and a resolution to the larger problem:
    It's not what others think about you, but what you think about yourself!

    The world is chock full of those who would not drink the negative Kool-Aid. You have a choice; flock with the sheep or run with the wolves. It is totally and completely up to you.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Daniel

    The words "Asian American" and "African American" are themselves racist terms. They subtly imply that the ethnicity in question is not truly of American descent, and the persons in question belong "somewhere else" in the world.

    The term "European American" instead of "whites" should be utilized just as often, but lighter-skinned Americans would certainly find this term offensive.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • mslman71

      Don't speak for other people.

      I don't find the term offensive, I find it absurd; just like the other hyphenated descriptions.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • madamelaverite

      Again, another white person who has no idea what he's talking about. This is a multicultural land and that's what makes us strong. If whites want to call themselves European American, Italian-American, Irish-American (which I hear quite a bit) good! Maybe then they might realize that being American doesn't just mean being a white person. Why do so many whites feel that everyone has to deny what makes them unique in order to be generic and that difference in and of itself is wrong?

      February 1, 2012 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
  56. beowoofwoof

    Judging from the content of this site it must be February.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
  57. sgtkbar

    racism in America is only defined by those who would identify themselves as anything but American. Anytime one catagorizes themselves into some group, they infer seperation. This is the problem. Be American. Be your brother's keeper, no matter what color or economic situation he finds himself in.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Report abuse |
  58. sam

    I think being from an outside country I dont feel racism against me but I feel bad about the cruelity of Americans specially US soldiers who have mistreated and killed innocent civilians in Afghanistan.

    In US I have seen all good jobs secured by white people .No doubt that white people are more intelligent but they are the one's who have all the money and money rules the world so I wonder only if black people like OBama who has good education can rise as the premier of this country so can every black person.

    Racism is still there in this country but its coverted from people .Behind people's back each person talks .Basically coming to Black I think if Black's can empower themselves like they empower in NFl they are the toughest race to beat but I dont know why some of the black people lack the will and like to live on govt benefits and stuff.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kanisha

      Black or Brown people will be down because the ones who have power are rich whites and they brain washed the rest of the populations. Whites get their news from relity shows such as the idiots Kardashians or any useless reality show. This coutry will never be racims free.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Joe T.

    The fact is that there are cultural differences. To try and pretend that there are no differences between black and white people, is just showing ignorance. Instead of looking down on other people for their cultural and ethnic differences, we should be celebrating the diversity that comes between all races.

    I'm also not going to try to pretend that I don't see color. You're showing willful ignorance if you even buy into the fact that "we are all the same".

    February 1, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      Descrimination and Stereotyping is part of our DNA. Forget color, how about short, tall, fat, ugly, beautiful people? This is a way that people group and compartmentalize their lives. We should work to reduce its effects, but we can not disregard it as something that can just be willed away. Demonizing the people who benifit, does not help all others.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • madamelaverite

        Shining a light upon and demonizing are two different things. I'm interested to know how Tim Wise is demonizing anyone?

        February 1, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Report abuse |
  60. Alejandro

    This whole opinion is crazy. Sir you are referring to statistics as direct proof of race discrimination, and that by simple truth is subjective. Those numbers could reflect a lot more than just discrimination. Opinions in sciences suck, be them social or natural. In research is where you'll find the deeper truth.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      Tim Wise is citing sociology research papers. And while sociology is, I suppose, a "soft science", I don't know what other conclusions you can draw from such large differences so consistently shown in the literature.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • dudley0418

        He needs to go and press the flesh is he wants to be successful in this line.

        He also needs to get off his soapbox and starting his pieces by blaming a portion of society for all the ills. Caucasians are the chief prejudicial ones? This is myopic. Intra-minority angst is even louder than this. Lots of examples of this. Genocide of WWII was largely white on white. Asians and Blacks have issue with each other in US urban settings. The Tootsies and the Hutus have been trying to eradicate each other for generations. Ever look at the history of the Balkans? Yats. Anti-white is the flavor of the day, nothing less. This guy has little to say.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
  61. dudley0418

    The little toe says, "I cannot be an eye, so I'm not a part of this body." It is not for this reason any less a part of the body. If the body was all eyes, how would it walk; if all little toes, how would it see?

    Unless people decided For Themselves that they are an important part of society, they will not be. It is less a matter of prejudice and racism as it is a matter of personal perspective. If you keep saying, "I'm worthless and a failure," you will be one. If you keep giving others power over your free will, you will have none. Claim it to be yours and you become powerful.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
  62. DRISSA, CAMARA

    I love this country , but this is one thing i don't understand at all !!! Greatest nation!!! Even can be the superrrrrrrrrrrr powerful country on the earth for many years to come but the racial discrimination might stop it. we are talking about the post racial discrimination but it still exist, people are just in denial , just don't want to admit this phenomena.i hope some people realize there is no more place for racial discrimination in the world.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • dudley0418

      Everyone blames the bad stuff on someone else. Most issues are within and need to be deleted. Imagine a poor child who has been taught that he will be a failure because he is brown – and learns that he has worth and merit and a mind, and says "FU!" to those who would tell him he has no future. THIS is a triumph of the spirit and a resolution to the larger problem. It's not what others think about you, but what you think about yourself!

      February 1, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Kofi

    the conditions prevailing during the civil rights era was practically same in apartheid South Africa.the writer is absolutely spot on with the apartheid description. having a black/colored person at the white house has change nothing,probabaly made it worse.everybody i behaving like the ostrich who,part of the body is in a hole,rest of the body is outside but the ostrich thinks nobody can see it.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Joe

    This video also on CNN http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/13/suze-orman-middle-class-will-not-exist/?iref=obnetwork only helps prove what I am saying. Stop fighting over race and wake up and realize what is happening to all of us. They keep us divided and fleece the America dream from all of the middle class.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
  65. Rex

    The most discriminated groups in America are the Asians, both Southeast and Southwest. Whites, Blacks, and Latinos have long disliked them since they are a hard working group that believes in family, education, and self reliance, and doesn't ask for handouts or sympathy from others. They have been so successful that many colleges have had to limit their admissions numbers. Poor whites, Blacks and Latinos can learn from them...

    February 1, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • marcie

      Well said!

      February 1, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fred Stevens

      Yes, very well said. The Viet Namese came to USA as poor as dirt 40 yrs ago. All adults found work even if it was humble (but HONEST) Most made SURE their kids studied & worked in early teens. The young people grew up & married before having children. Now this formula for success is called Racist??? If one resists and is disdainful of study, humble work, marriage and so very angry at the people trying to help them (!!), what is to be expected for an outcome?? A south Asian comes to this country w/o English, an deaf to trump it all. He ernestly strives (not for a week or a month, but for years and voila! He succeds!! No special programs for his ethnicity.
      I was a teacher for a short time. The "Euro-American" kids did not always try very hard. I have seen black & Hispanic kids do fairly well IF the corporate psychology of the school is healthy. I have also seen schools with a pathological group psychology (from top to bottom) turn into a prep school for the prison system!!
      1 no teen pregnancy
      2 actually study
      3 behave & be polite to EVERYONE
      4 don't keep bad company
      5 make good choices

      February 1, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Monique

      On the contrary, Asians are the most racist group in this country and in Asia, not only racists but also look down to poor people, they pretend to be submissive while are looking for a rich man to maintain the Asian women. They overcharge their low quality products at the stores, they follow Blacks and Latinos all over the store when you go buy in their stores. They are as racists as the white in this country.

      February 1, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Henry Miller

    So long as blacks continue to vote more or less en bloc for Democrats with the deliberate intent of benefiting themselves at the expense of whites, we will not achieve a "post-racial" society.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • rep

      So they should instead vote for the party composed essentially of the same conservatives who've historically preferred disenfranchisement, segregation laws, and open policies of discrimination to freedom and equality over the past 100+ years? Pure genius.

      Lemme guess...you're Republican?

      February 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
  67. adam

    poor poor pitiful me....

    We are a racist society but so is the rest of the planet... Just accept and move on. You are not going to force people by laws and punishments to be a certain way any more than you can force someone to be a certain religion by saying it is the state faith... either you believe in the system or you dont.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • We are here to stay like u or not.......

      .When white people took the lands by force from Native Americans and invaded all the American Continent , they were not welcomed to this continent but the whites stayed and tried to terminated the existence of Natives Americans, so, they will not do to us Blacks and Latinos the same they did to Native Americans, we will stay here for ever.

      February 1, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
  68. OTOA

    We are post-racial... at least we will be when only Millenials and their successors are left here. Racism will be a plague of past generations, and things will be like they were in the utopic ancient days: diverse yet raceless. There will be one certain group that still wants racism to thrive... you, the media. Nothing makes better headlines for you guys like a racially-fueled fight.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • madamelaverite

      Wasn't it some millennial boys down in Mississippi who straight up murdered a black man outside of his hotel room one night? Don't they have segregated proms down in Georgia? You know, if we never learn from history or about history, we are bound to repeat it. Just saying. This racism stuff just keeps growing like a cancer when we don't face it and deal with it head on.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
  69. Creed

    I am reading a whole lot of post from people that have some generalization tendencies. Just saying. Oh, one more thing...it would be helpful if when you are stating "I'm not a racists" or "I have a White/Asian/Black friend" that you don't later on make a blanket statement about that group. Again...Just saying. P.S. to the smartssa who will reply to this by going into some rant, I'm saying hello to you will my little finger (guess which one?!). No...its not the pinky

    February 1, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
  70. brianNH

    Yes, as long as blacks, hispanics, muslims and other minorities continue to cry "racism" every time they don't get their own way, we are not yet in a post-racial society.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
  71. JLV

    Interesting how the authors theory revolves around racism. So poverty has nothing to do with the lack of opportunities. So I couldn't find similar problems in impoverished white areas. Oh that's right you believe poor disadvantaged white people with similar problems to what you've described don't exist. So even as change continues on you will deny it because not enough schools and streets are named after MLK. Is this because you get paid to hate monger, not to be part of the solution.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • madamelaverite

      I think it's interesting that you mentioned white poverty, because according to the media it doesn't exist. Why do you think that might be? Poverty is almost exclusively believed to be a black problem. Yet 34% of white people are on welfare. What do you make of that?

      February 1, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
  72. TomInVa

    How can we be post-racial when discrimination is legalized and required? What is there about "judge not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" that is hard to understand?

    The Government's job is to ensure that the rules are applied equally to all. What it does is the reverse. Until that is ended, racism will persist. Its really simple: if discrimination is a bad thing, DONT DO IT.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • rep

      You are aware that there was a time BEFORE the govt had any laws on the books too right? There were 100 years (yes, that's an entire CENTURY) of time between the Civil War and the passage of the Civil Rights legislation of 1964.

      And just how did that time go for minorities and women, Mr. Professor? Shangri-La?

      February 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
  73. dudley0418

    In order to be a part of and enjoy the benefits of a society a person has to become part and parcel of that society. To be "American" is to be an ingredient in a soup. The beef in beef stew may be the primary ingredient but the carrot cannot be the beef. It is not for that reason any less a part of the soup. When people begin to realize that they are as important an ingredient in the American soup as any other part, even if they cannot be the 'starring' ingredient, this BS argument will continue. It is a matter of perspective, and negativity is always more contagious than positivity.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
  74. JUGGERNOT

    I'M MAKING UP NUMBERS AND NOT CITING MY INFORMATION. BECAUSE I'M TYPING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, YOU SHOULD TAKE WHAT I'M SAYING SERIOUSLY.

    LIKE THS IF YOU CRI EVERTIM

    February 1, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe T.

      IF YOU SEND THIS CNN POST TO 10 PEOPLE YOU WILL BE KISSED BY YOUR TRUE LOVE ON THE FIRST FRIDAY OF DECEMBER 2047.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Bryan Jurecek

    Maybe we should start with I'm American. My heritage is Czech but I don't say Czech American. Either your American or not, there shouldn't be any African American, Asian American or any other %^&** American. It's American and if you can't live with that then go home.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
  76. sybaris

    If you don't think there is any racism in the U.S., you have never experienced racism.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • blah

      I (white middle class male) experienced racism all through undergrad and grad school, where I paid my own way and now have $60k debt. All of my minority (female, black, etc) friends got free rides (via scholarships that had nothing to do with academics). And I had better grades! So yeah, I did experience racism when I was not permitted access to many scholarships based on my skin tone.

      I know a guy who went to UVA and was given a free ride, he just had to report every semester and show his mentor professor his grades. At the first reporting period, a small party/gathering was sponsored. Everyone at the party was black (he's a white middle class male). So he backed out real quick-like and just slipped his grades under the prof's door every time he was to be evaluated.

      But he didn't tell them he was white, so he got to keep the scholarship! True story.

      Everything the public sector invests its money in (education, government jobs, scholarships, etc) should be merit based, not need based. With the exception of welfare-like programs.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:12 pm | Report abuse |
  77. JUGGERNAUT

    Black people are 26 times more likely than whites to face stop and search
    Analysis of government data shows shocking discrepancy in stop and search figures for England and Wales...

    SOURCE: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/17/stop-and-search-race-figures

    February 1, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paulie

      Black people are also 26% more likely to break rules like spamming the forum and flooding it with the same message.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • I.D.

        NO.. more like .001% likely to spam .. remember ..they are too poor to have computers.. let alone internet.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • mslman71

      Did you read the article? That's for England and Wales.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
  78. bribaryan

    Ask Timmy here to write an article on the palestinian problems with race and ethnicity and you'll see a real fast flipflop

    February 1, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
  79. JUGGERNAUT

    Black people are 26 times more likely than whites to face stop and search
    Analysis of government data shows shocking discrepancy in stop and search figures for England and Wales.....

    SOURCE: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/17/stop-and-search-race-figures

    Black people are 26 times more likely than whites to face stop and search
    Analysis of government data shows shocking discrepancy in stop and search figures for England and Wales

    SOURCE: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/17/stop-and-search-race-figures

    February 1, 2012 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • brianNH

      What? I didn't hear you. Could you say that again?

      February 1, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • mslman71

      Um, did you read the article? That's for England and Wales. The domain name should've been your first clue.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
  80. JUGGERNAUT

    Black people are 26 times more likely than whites to face stop and search
    Analysis of government data shows shocking discrepancy in stop and search figures for England and Wales

    SOURCE: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/17/stop-and-search-race-figures

    February 1, 2012 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Bregginkrak

    Put 10 people of the same color, same ethnicity, same culture, same social background, same financial back ground together and they’ll still find a way to discriminate against each other. Welcome to the Human Race!

    This is not a White American problem, it's a Human problem.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe T.

      Here's a person who understands the human condition. Everybody is different. Unless we were all robots, humans will find ways to discriminate.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • madamelaverite

      You are derailing the conversation. We're not talking about the rest of the world. The issue is what's happening in America.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
  82. JUGGERNAUT

    Black people are 26 times more likely than whites to face stop and search
    Analysis of government data shows shocking discrepancy in stop and search figures for England and Wales

    SOURCE: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/17/stop-and-search-race-figures

    February 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • The truth

      Black people are 26 times more likely to make race as an excuse for their failures then whites. Analysis of government data shows shocking discrepancy in laziness that the avaerage black will whine on the internet instead of improving themselves and working hard.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
  83. buckeye bob

    There's an entire industry feeding off the theory of continued racial discrimination - there are jobs at stake here!

    p.s. every city in Ohio has a MLK avenue or boulevard - where have you been looking?

    February 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Tim

    fearmonger, that is nonsense-the aurthor is writing about YOU. White americans are racists because it is in their nature; the false belief in a divine destiny.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • caddolakeguy

      No racism among blacks, I guess. My experience is that blacks are just as racist as the average redneck, if not more so. Poor whites do not generally blame racism for their situation.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
  85. bribaryan

    Reality check for braindead liberals, there's never going to be a "post-racial" anything, because you cant hide race with your failed ideologies.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
  86. knightforx

    I agree, we aren't "post racial," and we likely never will be. However, most of the issue is NOT skin tone. Just take a look around at all the Indians (pretty dark, right?) who are thriving. It should be noted that Indians (the dot, not the feather) have the lowest crime rate in the U.S. of probably any racial group. They are educated, well-dressed, etc. And they generally smile a lot and are pleasant people to be around.

    The same applies to *some* blacks. The "good" ones usually seem like they are in a good mood all the time, are laughing/joking/smiling and fun to be around.

    Others dress like gangsters, and we wonder why we still have problems. How often do you really see a white, Asian or Indian dressed like a gangster? 99% of the problem has nothing to do with the actual skin tone...

    February 1, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
  87. tkindsm

    The saddest things I ever heard relating to race growing up is seeing black parents teaching there kids they don't have a chance in the world because they are black... Nice job rearing a race hating slacker of a child...Makes me sick parents sabotaging there children like that. As I teach I my kids; people come in all colors, shapes and sizes. Those who see it any differently have some real insecurity issues.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
  88. HT

    Post-racial? The author is correct that much like unicorns and leprechauns, we know what it meant, but also know that we're just kidding ourselves if we think that we're a "post-racial" society. Just five minutes in the comments section here on CNN is testament to that.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paulie

      Until we are all beige we will never be a post-racial society and we are at least 4000 years old as far as the human race goes. Its important to remember we are all one race. The human race. Maybe alien invaders will help us figure that out one day.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bregginkrak

        LOL...I married opposite color and I'm have two nicely mixed children. I'm doing my part to turn the world brown.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Katie

        Paulie, the human race is wayyyy older than 4,000 years! Just sayin,

        February 1, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
  89. dudley0418

    There is no 'fair' and there is no 'even' as long as statistics are used. To quote, 'There are statistics, damned statistics and outright lies.' No mathematical formula is ever going to be able to describe a feeling, a prejudice or a flavor, and as long as bloggers try to say that "ABCD is unfair because it does not work out arithmetically,' they will forever miss the point. "Equality is not a one-sided affair; a majority 'accepting' a minority. It is like communications: there is no communication unless there is a transmitter of a message, a receiver of that message and feedback. To say that the majority (or the bad guy du jour) is solely responsible for this is inane and a position built from ignorance.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • yourbad

      It's "lies, damned lies, and statistics."

      February 1, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Report abuse |
  90. The truth

    A statistic shows that if you work hard, get an education, and put effort into your life you will be successful. Another statistic shows that if you constantly make excuses for your failures, site on your butt cashing in on welfare, sit around posting your excuses on the internet, you will become a loser. Maybe blacks should just try to better themselves without using race as a crutch?

    February 1, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Not Likely

      Hey look, a bigot.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Max Powers

      Please cite your references...oh wait, you don't have any.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amri

      Your statement clearly shows how out of touch with reality one can be. Being one that works with the government, I see first hand that it is the alleged elite "white" race that consumes more of the governmental assitance than any other race in America. One cannot believe everything stated on the television because simply put it "Tels-a-lie-visually" and soo many people that don't care to challenge what they see/hear and take it to be the whole truth and not do their own research on the issue and thus be lead astray as mindless pods. All races need assistance in America. All races complain. All races have there elite groups and bums, inclding the whites, whether we want to admit it or not.

      February 1, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Report abuse |
  91. Harry

    Who said we were "post racial'? Oh yeah the racists said that.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Not Likely

      Exactly.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
  92. bribaryan

    Tim Wise is a jew, that's all that needs to be said here really. Let's see him write an article on the race issues in palestine

    February 1, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      Wait, you actually just said that? Explain. How does that have any bearing on the factual accuracy of his statements?

      February 1, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • yourbad

        I think it was a racist statement intended to support Mr. Wise's premise. 😀

        February 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
  93. Paulie

    Racism, class warfare and a divided public are keys to Obama's re-election and he knows it.

    February 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • madamelaverite

      Mr. Obama understands that it’s actually his policies against those very things hold the key to his reelection. Here’s the truth: it’s the Republicans who are waging class warfare, throwing around racist statements and code words, and dividing the public with their asinine wedge issues. Sensible people will be voting against them and for keeping the country headed in the right direction. Nobody wants the intolerant, cruel, bordering-on-fascist-future the Republicans have in store for America. Nobody with their head screwed on tight anyway.

      February 1, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
  94. Greg Shaffer

    An inability to reject a purely fantastical notion is deeply ingrained in our society. We don't even accept evolution; how can we be expected to be rational when it comes to the far more subjective matter of racial relations?

    February 1, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paulie

      Evolution is based on fact but still only a theory unless you happen to have been here at the dawn of time there probably will never be actual proof.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • yourbad

        You don't know what you are talking about.
        Gravity is a fact. We know it exists. We do not know that exact mechanism by which it works, but we know it does. The ideas about the mechanism are the theories of gravity. Gravity is a fact, and there are also theories of gravity. The existence of theories of gravity does not render gravity itself a theory.
        Similarly:
        Evolution is a fact. We know it exists. We do not know that exact mechanism by which it works, but we know it does. The ideas about the mechanism are the theories of evolution. Evolution is a fact, and there are also theories of evolution. The existence of theories of evolution does not render evolution itself a theory.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Katie

        Aha Paulie, I knew you had to be a bible thumper!

        February 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe T.

        They have this thing called the scientific method that scientists use. There is a big difference between hypothesis and theory...

        February 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Allen

        See ya at the Great White Throne of Judgement!

        February 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Ping

    Every person has the ability to do bad and good. They make that choice every time they open their mouth or do something. What you gonna do?

    February 1, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
  96. duh

    Soledad O'Brien's new show is called "Black in America: The New Promiseland..."

    that's racist.

    February 1, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
  97. Antisocialite

    Look guys, it's an inflammatory internet article about racism!

    Plenty of enlightening and original discussion is sure to follow!

    February 1, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
  98. knightforx

    First of all, the issue of skin tone is not unique to the U.S., nor is it merely an issue between blacks and whites. Even if you go to Asian countries you'll find that they all prefer a lighter skin tone. They'll even go so far as to pop pills or take injections to achieve this! The only difference is that they openly talk about it.

    Like it or not, there IS somewhat of an ideal skin tone. Lighter skin allows facial features to be more identifiable, which has the effect of humanizing a person. That said, you want *some* color in order to hide any skin imperfections.

    February 1, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
  99. mslman71

    As long as there is money and power to be made off of the conflict it will continue to exist.

    February 1, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Anywhere there's money or power to be had, we Caucasians will be all over it... like white on rice. 😀

      February 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • mslman71

      Dont' be so blinded. This is true of all people, all races. If we're all supposed to be so "equal" then such behaviors should not be isolatable to one race exclusively.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
  100. fearmonger

    People are racist only because we keep getting reminded that we are supposed to be racist by statistics.

    February 1, 2012 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • duh

      So first come the statistics that create the phenomenon, then the phenomenon creates the statistics...

      hhmmmm....

      tautology.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Max Powers

        Look, straw man.

        February 1, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • madamelaverite

        The "phenomenon" at least in America, was created when the first European stepped on the shores of Africa and decided to export human labor to the Americas. In order to justify treating fellow human beings as animals and chattel, those Europeans cast themselves as superior transmitters of civilization. The white man's burden was born. They dehumanized the Africans by stripping them of their language, their heritage, and denied them opportunities to learn or marry and then blamed them for their own degradation once they were freed. Same sh* different century.

        February 1, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • BioHrzd420

      The statistics show that racism exists (racism doesn't exist because of statistics)

      February 1, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
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