Editor’s note: Kris Marsh is on the faculty at the University of Maryland, College Park. She received her Ph.D. from the University of Southern California and was a postdoctoral scholar at the Carolina Population Center at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. She is on Facebook and on Twitter @drkrismarsh.
By Kris Marsh, Special to CNN
(CNN) - Recently, the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank released a study, "The End of the Segregated Century." Highlights of the study hit the press like wildfire. Headlines like “Segregation hits historic low” jumped off the page, and articles declared the findings to be proof that “the legacy of the civil rights era is still strong.”
Given that one of my areas of emphasis as a sociologist and demographer is racial residential segregation, I was saturated with emails, Facebook posts, and Tweets asking for my reaction. Above all, my main response is that we must be careful as consumers of information; in this case, readers who stop at the headlines are in danger of overlooking the fact that race still maters and that blacks are still highly segregated in the United States.
As social scientist, we employ three overarching theories to explain the existence and persistence of racial residential segregation: economics, preferences and discrimination.
Historically, there was a time when only the small population of free blacks were able to own property. This set the groundwork for the wealth disparities between blacks and whites that persists today. In general, unlike potential white home seekers, potential black homebuyers often do not inherit wealth from the previous generation. In most cases, blacks do not have the flexibility to borrow money from parents to purchase their homes. This potentially limits blacks’ ability to purchase homes in certain locations causing middle class blacks homeowners to live in close proximity to the black poor and reside in suburban areas less substantively white and affluent than their white middle class counterparts.
By way of illustration, consider Baldwin Hills, California. Baldwin Hills is a predominantly black area in Los Angeles County. This area encompasses both multi-million dollar homes and a housing project with a reputation so dangerous that during the 1980s and 1990s, it was commonly known as “The Jungle.” In the 2001 Denzel Washington film Training Day, this housing project was used as the location for a scene in which a police detective engages in a midday gun battle. That same year, the director of the film Love and Basketball chose a multi-million dollar home in the same area to represent the residence of a former professional basketball star.
This divergent cinematic representation of Baldwin Hills illustrate the propinquity of the black middle class and the black poor and provides a dramatic example of a widespread phenomenon: that the black middle class is a spatial and social buffer between the white middle class and the black poor.
The discrimination perspective points to a range of public policies and private practices that perpetuate racial residential segregation and deter blacks from moving into predominantly white neighborhoods. Beginning in the 1930s and continuing through the 1970s, the Federal Housing Administration adopted the practice of "red-lining," a discriminatory rating system to evaluate the risks associated with loans made to borrowers in certain areas resulting in financial institutions denying loans based on those areas, usually dominated by the poor and minorities. Research on the recent housing crisis shows that the geographic concentration of high-risk loans and foreclosures had strong racial undertones.
Private discriminatory practices include "racial steering," where real estate agents channeling black clients into racially mixed or predominantly black neighborhoods or quoting astronomical prices in areas that are predominantly white in hopes of deterring black buyers. Real estate agents have been known to use fear to persuade whites to buy property near other whites and/or move when non-whites move into the neighborhood ("blockbusting").
The treatment of blacks in the housing market provides strong evidence that discrimination played and continues to play an important role in explaining why blacks and whites live in highly segregated neighborhoods.
A large body of segregation literature suggests that racial differences in residential preferences perpetuate racial segregation. For example, the preference of more-advantaged groups, usually affluent whites, is to distance themselves from less-advantaged groups, usually blacks and the poor. While this suggests that whites prefer majority white areas, blacks tend to prefer areas that are equally integrated (half-black and half-white) and they prefer more black neighbors than do member of other racial and ethnic groups.
A residential segregation research finding that I have always found interesting and equally offensive is that Asians, Latinos, and whites all rank blacks as the racial group least desired to have as neighbors. This finding holds up even taking class into consideration: when middle class blacks move into white neighborhoods, whites are still inclined to move.
I live in Prince George’s County—known as the wealthiest black county in America—and often ask fellow residents, who are upwardly mobile and have the social and human capital to live in a number of counties, their reasons for selecting this area. The most common answer I get is: “I want to live around other black middle class people and I want my children to grow up around other black middle class children.” (See the book "Blue Chip Black" by Karyn Lacy for further discussion on this topic.)
When you take all this into consideration, it is clear that there is much more to this story than the headlines trumpeting record low levels of residential segregation. Blacks are still more likely to have black neighbors than white ones. And by no means does lower black segregation suggest that we live in a “post-racial” society—a term that Tim Wise recently called a “nonsense term devised by those who would simply rather not deal with the ever-present reality of racism and ongoing racial discrimination.” The take home message should be that race (and class) still matter in terms of residential housing patterns. Yes, segregation is decreasing, but it is still alive and well.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Kris Marsh.
What a stupid article. Blacks prefer blacks just as whites prefer whites, asians prefer asians and so on. Is it racist? Heck no, it's called your comfort zone. I have been around way more whites than I have blacks, so I'm more use to the white mans ways, that is my comfort zone. Also, different races customs get on other races nerves, that isn't racist, it's prefrence, what you are use to. My family was middle to upper middle class rich, and I never got money for a down payment on my house. I saved up and got it, whats the big deal, it's my house, I should be the one to pay for it, period. Again, what an incredibly stupid article.
Did you actually READ the article? It's full of facts. Why is it stupid? I found it highly informative and interesting.
I bet you are Democrat. You just sound stupid.
Just someone imo trying to stir up a pot of trouble. People segregate themselves most times...sorry should someone desire to be left alone by others then its their business as long as they dont go overboard with it
You're right. People do segregate themselves sometimes because of comfort. It's nice to be around people who were raised similar to you, have similar religious beliefs etc – those people tend to be more understanding and easier to relate to. And I don't see anything wrong with that. But, that shouldn't hinder one race from being able to move into an area dominated by another race. Self segregation is not the same as discrimination.
Sharon made a thoughtful comment.. "IT IS CALLED RACISM... JUST IN THE PAST ..SEGREGATION TO MAX" your response was gibberish..
Miss Marsh ,IF, what you are writing about is true,it is wrong.But the way to get it fixed is to,DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! Not just complain about it. There is a man where I live who is a member of the NAACP,who is trying to get more equality in the hiring of black teachers. I don't agree with some of the things he does, but I admire him because at least he's out there trying!! In case you are wondering I'm white.
It's unhealthy to make a career out of studying housing discrimination; the rest of us have moved on. I have been in real estate brokerage sales and management for 35 years, and when I started I think there was some residual discrimination, but today, especially in California (she uses Baldwin Park, Ca in her example) it is one big melting pot and really, people don't care! If you have the money to live in a neighborhood, move in and no one cares as long as you take care of your property and are respectful of your neighbors. I suspect that this kind of article and study actually hurts more than helps because it's looking for problems and issues – there will always be racists (not just against blacks) but let's not let a few blind us to the tremendous opportunity for people of every color to work and live in the same communities today!
Most people look at what whites have to offer as opposed to what blacks have to offer. Most people go with what whites have to offer.
You sound like a racist to me.
Get a life!
Why is it so important that we all have to be intermingled together? Can't we live around people of our own ethnic group and still get along just fine with other groups? People act like it is absolutely crucial that we all live interacially together. Why is that so important? I don't get it. Aren't there bigger fish to fry? I'm just more comfortable living with other white people simply because we all think alike and our lifestyles are similar. It's nothing personal. Geez... get over it already. Blacks... live with blacks. Whites... live with whites. Mexicans... live with mexicans. Who cares?
I agree 100%-what`s the big deal?Where`s the discrimination?
Great question, here's the answer: Our current obsession with "diversity" and multiculturalism is part of a long range plan towards Globalization and world government. The same people who pushed America into Middle East wars are the same people who opened America's borders. They want a one-world system with all the races mixed up and NO MORE INDEPENDENT NATIONS – only corporations.
The Globalists are demographically overwhelming the white majorities in America and Europe so that "freedom loving" whites will become powerless to stop them or vote them out of office.
Wow, get help.
Does bannister know how to party or what? Seriously, that sounds great and all, but its just not true. If so, state some facts.
bannister, you need to leave the computer and get out into the world.. another gibberish response..
Because with you don't experience diversity or a microcosm of the real world you feel like it is ok to be racist and in turn harm the "other". It is clear you don't see people as people but as colors only. It is very strange to me to hear this in this day in age. It is too easy to stereotyope, and hate others when you are just making up theories to suit you. The reality is most people no matter what their color live to raise happy families and make a nice home for themselves. The extreme poor of every race experiences the same problems, and the middle class of every race is off to little league and spring break trips. You need to Get over trying to stay ignorant, your thinking only make us scared of each other, and that is pathetic in this day and age.
"The extreme poor of every race experiences the same problems, and the middle class of every race is off to little league and spring break trips." Exactly! Tell me again why this article was written?
Didn't know that the u.s.a only had mexicans
Its not important. But apparently its racist when it is exclusively applied to blacks. But not the upper-middle class blacks in Prince George's county – those people just WANT to live with other people of a similar class and background. Kind of like white people.
I really wish they'd thought of this back before they shackled us and put us on boats. I surely hate the cold.
She should point to the stats as reason why people are likely to not live near black people. The more black people in your neighborhood the more likely it is to have gun violence. The same cannot be said about any other group. Stats are stats, I'm sure they would call statistics like this racist, but they are fact. Why can't black people own up to their own cultural failures. Hip hop and rap that glorifies gun violence is overlooked by CNN.
I have to agree with you there. I try not to be racist but I hope black people already probably know that white people do associate blacks with violence. I have met some very sweet black women that were some of the nicest people you would ever want to know. Huge heart and very giving people. But violence is very predominant in the black culture. Until this problem clears up, you will always have white flight.
I trained a new employee who constantly referred to me as 'white girl'. After weeks of biting my tongue, I referred to her as black girl and she FLIPPED her lid, told me she was going to punch me in the face and choke me. I locked myself in a manager's office until the police arrived. Black girls at a local park actually refuse to play with my daughter. I've heard them tell each other to stay away from 'white girl'. I say.. treat others the way you want to be treated and practice what you preach.
It's not them refusing to own up to it. As a matter of fact, they tout that kind of culture and dislike everyone else's. This is what makes them different...and unliked...by everyone else.
You are right. It's the crime in black neighborhoods that scare oher people. Let's be clear, it's not only whites who don't like blacks moving in to their areas. You don't see Asians buying homes in black neighborhoods.
What stats? You have cited not stats. Looks like you are trying to support your racism with non-existent stats.
His whiteness is all the stats he needs.
Ahh, another intelligent post by "phillip granville spaulding" You must be an Ivy League graduate..
Ahh, another thoughtful and intelligent post from the Ghost/Spirit.. You make reading these comment sections so much fun.. Can always count on you for a laugh or two.. Tell us again about your two master degrees from that Ivy League school.. Love ya Ghost/Spirit..
OK who fills the rolls of the NRA? And no whites commit crimes right? See what you are doing is lumping everyone in with the criminals in one race. So in other words, every time a white person kills a spouse, commits a rape or a hate crime, everyone of another race should hold all White people accountable and view whites as BADDDD!!! What are you, six? Whites did the bombing in Oklahoma city, yet you expect people to see that "A" person committed a crime, not WHITES committed a crime. Grow up.
ONE white person was responsible for the bombing in Oklahoma city. Hundreds of black people are responsible for the 250+ murders that occur in Washington D.C. every year. Just sayin'. Get your facts straight, you racist.
Race relations will get better when blacks want them better. It will continue it they will not let it go. There are 3 black families on our block of 9 houses, and we get along great! Our kids grew up together & played together. All of our homes are paid for, so I doubt any of us is going anywhere. It's only a problem if you make it one. LET IT GO! Staying angry is not what MLK was about! It just screws with your blood pressure.
You are the one that sounds angry. No one mentioned anger but you. Maybe you should think about your anger toward this subject.
So if I decide that I'm not going to loan money to people in a certain section of town where crime and property damage is rampant and loan defaults are highest, then I'm a racist and should be prosecuted for it? I'm sorry. Wrong country. If I want to draw a red lined box on a map and not invest therein it is my prerogative and not your, the Fed's or anyone else's business. You busybody pseudo intellectuals should find an honest occupation.
I'm sorry- who asked you for a loan? Do you happen to own a bank?
The racism that comes out of CNN and its writers. I'm a social scientist as well, you will always find correlations between race and community, to call it segregation is simplfy it, people like to be around those who are similar. Do you notice she says black and white, notice she doesn't seem to think their are Hispanics, Asians, or Indians anywhere. Everything to this women is about racist white people, which is, well, racist. She completely leaves out every other ethnic group. What a racist byotch. CNNs witch hunt race baiting story of the day. Asians have their own communities, but CNN never writes about their segregation, or native indian reserves. Their really are out to make "whitie" look like the only racists. What a racist network.
Whites are focused on because quite a few are hysterical about race, and more and more overt about racism. The Republican candidates have done everything but yell, "what is wrong with you, don't you see their is a black man in the white house"! I had to explain to my seven year old son why Santorum said he didn't want to help black people. I told him they are banking on racist code words and outright racism to get Whites to vote against Obama, not for a particular GOP Candidate. As for segregation in neighborhoods, after we moved into our house people started saying, oh you live where the wealthy Asians live. Very ominous tones, and we have had no problems, everyone has been very nice. In my experience people want to live around others of like socioeconomic and educational levels. Race doesn't play as big a part as wealth and educational gaps. We run in very diverse circles, and we have a ball. But mostly it is because we are friends with educated professionals and they come from every walk of life. Race is only a big deal to those without self esteem. I tell my kids take people as they come, there are good and bad in all races, be nice to those who are nice to you, and ignore the rest, they are too small and petty to be fun or worth your time.
People like you often criticize other whites' racism, but never live in black neighbourhoods themselves. Strange.
you say whites are hysterical about race yet you think they are relying on a "racist code".What bull.
Wow, you are paranoid. I suppose Herman Cain and Alan Keyes were secrets racists too? Pseudo intellectuals make my brain hurt. The only thing that made sense was the very tail end of your post. I don't care what race you are. Respect me and I will respect you, regardless of race.
Lynda, I think your comment is among one of the most racist and biased on this thread. I'm glad you feel it is your responsibility to teach your son that all white conservatives are hold their political beliefs solely because they are racists. Thanks for fostering another generation of dysfunctional Americans.
Lynda is seriously conflicted.. the first half of her post is a racist rant against White people, but she ends saying we all should get along.. Which are you Lynda? The racist, or the open minded?
And by singling out whites and asians, your views make you a racist as well. Congratulation!
Interesting that the writer chose not to use the term "segregating", instead only using "segregated". The latter implies something enforced or unfair, while the former implies an act one chooses to engage in. The writer herself lives in what she describes as the wealthiest black county in the nation. White people didn't do that. Black people did. The worked hard for what they have and chose to live among their own kind. The writer also acknowledges that blacks are more likely to either prefer integrated neighborhoods or...prefer to have black neighbors. I can't fathom how one can be viewed as bad...whites wanting to live with whites...while blacks wanting to live with blacks is simply viewed as a normal choice. And for my last point, there's a reason why white want to move away from blacks. It's because historically we've watched our home values plummet, not when black homeowners move in but black renters. The writer fails to make the distinction. People that buy their own property are far more likely to take proper care for it. Renters...of any color...just let the dogs out to carve trails in the grass (for as long as the grass survives anyway) let the weeds grow, don't mow and generally don't water. I bought my first home in 1986. The block was 95% privately owned (blacks, whites and others) with only 2 of 20 homes (10 homes each side of street) being rentals with dirt yards. In 2004 when I finally threw in the towel, out of those 20 homes, only 3 were still occupied by homeowners. Only 2 of us were originals. And only those 3 homes still had lush, green lawns, blooming roses and crocus. The rest...just dirt and/or weeds. 2 of us were white, the third black, and they had a for sale sign up in 2004 as well.
In the vacuum of sociological pontification, one ignores the practical realities of living along side people who are different. Lush, green grass is not everyone's thing, I grant that. It's water gulping habit is more expensive and less responsible than it was 30 years ago. I can get behind xeriscapes and other low water use landscapes, but I refuse to believe that anyone actually prefers weeds or out and out dead earth and dog doo to a nicely kept yard. Homeowners rightfully fear these people and these things happening. Buying a home, for most of us, is a major, once in a lifetime occurence. It represents many years of hard work, savings and dreaming, and many many more years of mortgage payments. To turn a blind eye to the interlopers that threaten the value of our investments would be cheating ourselves out of our own money. I don't care who buys the house next door, so long as it's a family that will care for it. Once they go to rental, the game is over for any neighborhood.
Good post. Love that line "the vacuum of sociological pontification" – you are exactly right. Academics and intellectuals love to pontificate about segregation and diversity. But in the REAL WORLD, people do not behave according to abstract theories.
In your neighborhood, it was green grass. In my neighborhood it was the incessant drumbeat of ghetto music and general ghetto behavior that drove me out. I would LOVE to take some of these "diversity" advocates and have them live in Detroit or St Louis for a couple of years and see if their "theories" change.
you write too long.
Adding to the stereotype that blacks are illiterate?
The author is right. I can say this based on my first hand experience. I was looking to buy studio apartment in Bronxville, NY for $180,000. As soon as they heard my NON- White Name, I never got another call from the building. I was paying the asking price.
Maybe they didn't call you back because you wanted to pay the asking price. They didn't believe you were serious bout buying becauase nowadays with real estate market suffering everybody negotiates.
I love it when they justify racism and expect everyone to just accept it.
That's a generalized and racist assumption to come up with. You know, it's not healthy in any relationship to make such harsh assumptions about others. I've had the exact same thing you mention happen to me, and I'm a middle class white girl. Get over yourself. The world isn't out to stick it to you.
Race relations have improved dramatically in the last 30 years, but improvements can still be made. However, it will take honesty on both sides. Those whites who are looking at blacks and prejudging based on their skin color need to stop and Blacks who are educated and responsible need to speak to those in their communities who are promoting lifestyles and mindsets that are destructive to the black family.
"...or quoting astronomical prices in areas that are predominantly white in hopes of deterring black buyers. "
Except for maybe New York City, Los Angeles, San Franciso, Washington D.C., and New Jersey, all market housing pricing information is available in open market listings for both rentals and purchases that are fully accessible on the World Wide Web(WWW) using an internet connection. The areas I cited as exceptions have RENT CONTROL laws and RENT STABILIZATION laws, which cause real market pricing distortions and create blockages to the free flow of information. Those areas, especially New York City, are notorious for real estate listings to not be put out for open access using Multiple Listing Services. In all other areas of the continental USA, an informed buyer, having used the WWW, would know the asking price of properties they seek to view before contacting a real estate agent. In addition with services like Willow.com you can get data on the recent purchase prices of similar housing in the area you are looking at. The few problems areas come in when the seller has not set an asking price and is asking for bids to be offered. Many who do that are just testing the market waters and have no intention to sell. It is a game to them. Real estate agents probably do not like to deal with those people.
In addition to the above issues, there is the fact that real estate companies are judged by how long a listing stays on the market. The longer listings stay unsold or not rented, the worse the company looks to prospective sellers or landlords. If a real estate agent has a ready buyer, with a loan pre-approval, who agrees to the asking price, they are not going to steer that potential buyer away from that potential sale. Real estate agents work for commissions. Commissions as a percentage of selling price have been going down in the 21st century. Add to that a decrease in house values and a real estate agent has to achieve many more sales in the same amount of time to have the same inflation adjusted gross income. They do not have time to play steering games.
I see a lot of anecdotal quips in critique of Dr. Marsh's words, but not much hard data. Surely, as someone who studies sociology and demographics, she has no idea what she is talking about, right? I suggest looking up the research papers that she has authored over the years, and the research papers that she has cited. If you have a problem with it, then attack the data or methodology.
When you have culture that glorifies violence and devalues education (you're "acting white" if you study and get good grades), then why would others who are not part of that culture have ANY desire to live next door to them. Bill Cosby and many other black men and women have pointed this out countless times. If you don't like me saying this, then just remember: Cosby and others said it first!
Dennis, You are misinformed. The culture that glorifies violence and devalues education is America's Youth Culture which also includes whites, and hispanics. To label an entire race is foolish. That's like saying the Caucasian culture embraces meth addicts, pedophiles, rapist, murder-suicides or serial killers. Don't place labels on Americans of Color, like any other American, we each have our own story and should have the right to live in any area, neighborhood, or school district. We are not so different. We love our families and want the same success for our children.
If you're a non-white person and your real estate agent/broker is a white person, you have to suspect that your agent is racist, therefore, you should research prices and homes on your own before and after your agent gives you the runaround. A real estate agent once gave us a bogus excuse as to why he didn't even bother to show us certain homes in certain areas ("land ordinance prevents the homeowners from selling their home at this time"), even though those houses had Century21 (or other) real estate signs out on the front lawn (the homes were up for sale!). When I looked up the "ordinance" issue online, I read that it was done and over with; the homeowners were in fact allowed to sell their home. That was the first time I experienced "redlining" (being mistreated/misled on the basis of color). Even my white girlfriend noticed and confirmed that our real estate agent was practicing racism. Non-white people seeking to buy real estate should always follow up on and research all the information their broker gives them. There are many "nice" "affluent" neighborhoods, homes, areas, that they don't want you to know about nor see.
Real estate agents don't care what color you are, and you are absolutely disillusioned to think they would. Real estate agents want MONEY. They don't care what color you are. The important thing is your income and credit score. They don't have to live next to you. They just have to make it to closing so they can collect a paycheck. Should I assume every black chef I see working at a restaurant spits in my food because I'm white? So stupid.
A few months ago my Fiance' and I were looking at a home. I (am a black woman) was in the backyard getting a tour and my husband (a white male) went around the front. A gentleman was leaving his house ascross the street and engaged in a conversation with my fiance'. He told him that his house was going on the market within the next month and that he should look into it. At that time I walked out into the front. My fiance asked for the number of his real estate agent. The guy took one look at me and changed his story. He said that his house was probably too expensive and that he didnt have a real estate agent.
It was so blatent why he changed his tune.
This still does exists, and you are blind if you think it does not.
First you say you went with your fiance, then you talk abouit a husband. Maybe the guy didn't want to sell you his home because he didn't believe a woman and 2 men were serious clients.
I see a lot of opinion and little fact in this article. I suspect high bias from an author who obviously has a investment in this area as a career.
I am a white male who a few years ago moved from the diversity of the greater Seattle area to Western NY (outside of Buffalo). I can say without a doubt housing segregation is a reality here in Western NY. As a 1st time home buyer with not a lot of money I looked in several small villages and each seemed to have an area the realtor suggested I stay away from. In each case property value in these areas is well below the rest of the village. In each case these areas were racially diverse. I challenge CNN to send an undercover reporter to home search in the Western NY area, they will without a doubt see what I am speaking of. I can even suggest realtors lol.
IAs I have got to know my co workers and listened to the things my teenage son has repeated from his classmates I would say that racism in general is a serious issue. I know there are racists everywhere but it truly seems worst here.... sad.
I completely agree with your assessment of WNY, it is blatantly segregated. It is very sad. In the actual city of Buffalo it is almost as if there are clear lines drawn separating races, and on the outskirts-Amherst, Williamsville, and Clarence it’s the unspoken rule. In the Tonawanda’s it’s not even hidden.
And did you happen to notice WHY the property values were depressed? It wasn't the people...it's what they do and don't do. I can drive through some Bryan, Texas neighborhoods and tell who lives where just by looking at the yards. There's no reason why an 80 year old home, past it's prime, can't have a decent yard. The people who live there choose to do nothing and live on bare dirt. Why would I want them as my neighbors?
Well there could be other issues at hand as well. I could be a white home owner, not racist at all, but maybe I assume other white home buyers are racist. A few black families move into the white neighborhood I live in, I could assume it might be harder for me to sell my house since I believe the majority of whites are racists after reading an article like this. Therefore, this article does nothing but make non-racists skeptical of other white people's home buying choices in regards to the black neighbors. Kris is causing more problems and doesn't even realize it.
Looks like CNN has another so-called professional to fire. I understand this is an opinion piece but where are the facts? Anyone can state an opinion but without some semblance of reality to back it up, that's all it will ever be...someone's opinion.
Of course housing segregation is still real. America is one of the most racist countries on earth.
Sure it is. You got that right. That's why millions of people of color keep flocking here.
I guess you have never been to Spain, Australia, England or France then.
Have you Jimbo?
With the exception of Australia, everywhere you mentioned is in Europe. By nature of distance, Europeans have a much more integrated society. 100 miles north and you are in a different country, with different religions and different languages. Within any given country, it is uncommon to find anyone who only speaks their language. Because most people make an effort to make other cultures feel comfortable in their home. When Americans travel anywhere, we still expect everyone to speak "American." Racism exists simply because we are only one or two generations away from when our government and laws decided it was wrong. Housing discrimination exists because we are only 5 – 7 generations away from when blacks were allowed to own land. When the author talks about White that inherited money, she does not imply that all whites inherit money. But only homeowners have the option to will a home to their family. I will 'will' my home and wealth to my son, but that was not an option for my parents... Simply because they came from nothing.
Moral of the story: If you start with nothing, it is harder to achieve something. In America, because of previous generations racism, minorities start of with less. So they have to work harder to achieve something (wealth).
On myself: I know many white folks like myself and none with the privilege of inherited wealth. Throughout high school I had no one helping me prepare academically for college. I worked full time to support myself through college, then grad school. I had zero financial support and graduated with hefty student loans. My wife and I bought our first house with our own money and fixed it up with our own money and with no other cosigners. With the gains from that house we bought our current house, once again unassisted. I made significant sacrifices in those days which continue today. I work hard at my career, spend countless hours with my kids helping them with school work and also having fun. Most of the remainder of my time is spent working on home repairs and improvements, the majority of which I do myself. I live in a diverse neighborhood. My kids have friends who are of Mexican, Cuban, Chinese descent (just to name a few).
On race: I have heard coworkers and friends of non-white descent make racial remarks, including their own races. My white friends? Never.
On Segregation: A significant amount of segregation is self-imposed. Here in So Cal Asians move into the same neighborhoods, primarily trying to get their kids into better schools and to live among their own. Many, many cities are known as "Asian”. These areas have Asian Realtors. I suspect if I tried to buy a house there these Realtors would try to make it difficult, just as I suspect a Realtor in South Philly may attempt to steer non-Italians out of the area. There are communities such as in South Florida which have gone so far as to attempt to make Spanish the official language. That is a move sure to keep out Whites, Black, Asians, etc. Perhaps of all demographics, Hispanics have the most family, government, scholarship and other assistance of any race in America. They do a good job of unifying, something whites cannot do without being called racist.
Some of what you say is true "Joes." As an African American, I notice that not just African Americans but Hispanics, Indians and Asians tend to self segregate.
But historically Caucasians tend to "flee" neighborhoods they perceive "turning." It's a phenomenon called "white flight." You can go to any city in the U.S. and visit neighborhoods that were once "white" and "affluent" but as people of color began earning more and able to afford better, Caucasians who could afford it would move out of the areas mostly based on the sundown mentality Ingelwood California is a perfect example.
Sundown towns a hot bed for reenforcing negative racial stereotypes. The people in Sundown towns had never met or truly got to know any of the people from the groups they disparaged, so without any contradiction to the myths and stereotypes they became fact.
You say that people of color make disparaging remarks about their own. So do Caucasians, I grew up in an all white neighborhood and my friends were always quick to point out "white trash" Caucasians who weren't as privileged as themselves. Only poor Caucasians truly know how minorities feel. They've been treat just as bad. I'll even go as far to say that more affluent and more intelligent Caucasians have always used poor Caucasians to do their dirty work. The lynchings in this country from Reconstruction to the early 60's is proof positive. These people because of their ignorance were victims as well.
White privilege isn't restricted to being "affluent" or the "ability" to go to college. If you want to have the experience of a minority in this country, go to an ethnic neighborhood and walk around. Feel the stares and being made to feel like "You don't belong here." Even that wouldn't pass for a true experience as to what it feels like in this country not to be White.
This isn't just a black and white issue as the author would want us to think it is self-segregation is community and protection. Look at New York at the turn of the century. Enclaves of Chinese, Irish, Jews, Italians, Germans. It is a throwback to a tribal era in human history. I believe it is only natural that we initially behave this way. But thankfully the world is changing maybe not fast enough to suit everyone but it's a damn sight better than it was.
I recognize years ago there was "White flight," but now, where would you go? "White" neighborhoods are pretty much integrated, but not so much with Black, Hispanic, Asian neighborhoods, where self-segregation is the rule.
Yup! Dallas is the same way with the exception of Highland Park. Neighborhoods across America are becoming more and more diverse.
I can't explain why we as a people tend to self-segregate. I find it annoying as Hell. The one thing that annoys me to know end is the way we treat our more affluent brothers and sisters. Anyone who pulls themselves up is a "Sell out" or "Uncle Tom." If I had a dollar for every time I was called an "Oreo," I'd be a rich man.
If you hadn't noticed my spelling isn't what it should be. I meant "to no end" not "to know end" Geez!
Okay, I've experienced white flight before. Let me break down how it occurred in my situations and others I've seen like it.
My grandparents bought a house in 1950's suburbia just outside Atlanta in a town called College Park. Predominately white middle class neighborhood. As the older generation died off and the houses fell into foreclosure or what have you, they were offered at low, low prices. My grandfathers house in what used to be a predominately white area went into foreclosure and sold for nearly $80k to a black family. I think a lot more of this 'white flight' can be attributed to urban sprawl, not necessarily higher incomes.
since when is "Hispanic" a race?
We still here on this same stuff. borning
The only people keeping these ideas alive are those who stand to benefit from it.
Like writers who sit in 5 bedroom homes and write about how oppressed they are.
Indeed, great comment
Classic example of the double standard that is holding race relations back. The author wants to live around people like herself, but doesn't want people unlike herself to have the same option.
It's "experts" like this that are holding race relations back. People are tired of the victim act. She's done very well for herself and is living very comfortably, but she's pretending she's some victim of society. It's pathetic.
It's time for a new generation of black intellectuals who can stop pretending it's 1965.
No kidding, this article is a joke. The author is a racist biggot, blech!
I've purchased three homes in the last twenty years and I've never heard real estate agents mention race or anything like it. The questions are always the same and very simple. In what neighborhood are you interested? How much do you have to spend? Do you want to live close to public transportation?
It's about economics, not race. Clean, well maintained, low crime neighborhoods are desirable. Run-down, shuttered, high crime areas are nearly worthless. Simple.
If you want your neighborhood to have value and be desirable you have to make an effort. It doesn't matter who you are. If your neighborhood is plagued by gangs, you would need to REMOVE them to increase it's value.
That's a social issue, you say? Well, it's yours to fix.
BULL!!! Kris March is wacko. Real estate agents care about MONEY!!! The only "steering" they do is steering their clients to first house they will buy ASAP so they can move on and MAKE MORE MONEY.
"I live in Prince George’s County—known as the wealthiest black county in America—and often ask fellow residents, who are upwardly mobile and have the social and human capital to live in a number of counties, their reasons for selecting this area. The most common answer I get is: “I want to live around other black middle class people and I want my children to grow up around other black middle class children.”
Looking at this last part of your article it seems that the segregation is voluntary.
Also, I love how you assume that most whites are propped up by mommy and daddy when buying their first home.
How did you afford your home? Were you given money from your parents or did you go to school, work hard and earn the money yourself?
I am entertained by that idea as well.
I am often shocked by how much help people assume white people get from their parents. All I have been left with from parents is debt, and a lot of it. Many of my white friends who went to school can't buy houses because of student loans they are having to pay down first... too bad they weren't a minority and could have received some grant money.
The jungle was only a small part of Baldwin Hills and was the section where there is a large concentration of apartments that bordered La Brea/Santa Barbara (King blvd)/Marlton/Rodeo Rd, the original term ‘Jungle’ was used because of all the foliage in the area. The negative term came to use in the early late 70’s and early 80’s when a lot of people that moved into the area to move away from the ‘East Side(East of Main Street) and south of Slauson in most cases the parents worked and some of the young people were gang members and sold drugs (PCP) not all. No one that ever lived in Los Angeles will ever confuse Baldwin Hills/View Park with the Jungle. The Housing Projects used in Training Day were the Imperial Courts Projects that and was not located in the Jungle; they were located at Imperial and Mona about 15 miles south near Watts. Home work Home work Home work.
The story is ridiculous! The story totally ignores the fact that whites don't want to live near blacks, and often not near any other race either. I'm white, very white, and I relate best to my own people. I didn't start this crap of trying to segregate all neighborhoods, but I'm still forced to move every time a non-white invades my neighborhood. Don't you get the idea? I don't want you chasing me around trying to be close to me because I do not want you close to me. I consider many other races to be offensive: noisy, uncooperative, dirty, overpopulated and of course, inferior to our ability to resolve issues. Case in point: illegal aliens keep claiming that we are discriminating against them. No, not true. They are illegal because they are not American Citizens, not because they are Asian or Hispanic, or from Somalia, Iran, Iraq, or where ever, and have no authority to be on my land, on my roads, in my schools, or in my pocket. You want a nicer neighborhood, then take the first step by stopping the drug use and destruction of your own homes. Paint, clean up, landscape, and keep the cars with the 20" sub woofers and undisciplined youngsters off the roads. You'll like your own race better then and I won't have to deal with you.
So you are the hillbilyl, rednececk, white trash to stay away from. And I am VERY white. Seprate because of values is NOT due to color. Her statment of I want to be around similar values and culture, is truly not one of color. Wanting to be around outher BLACKS is a problem. That denotes color, not like minded individuals. She is the racist Dr. King warned us of.
I agree. The problem could be solved at a community level. It's a shame to me when I hear of white people being racist or committing crimes because the sad reality of it is that it becomes a direct reflection on me because of the color of my skin. If you don't want other races making remarks about people of your color, encourage brotherhood and positive action instead of making excuses for their actions.
"In general, unlike potential white home seekers, potential black homebuyers often do not inherit wealth from the previous generation. In most cases, blacks do not have the flexibility to borrow money from parents to purchase their homes."
I know of no one – NO. ONE. – among my very diverse group of friends & acquaintances who has borrowed/inherited money from family to make any significant purchase, much less something the magnitude of a home. It's not a matter of color. I don't think it's even a matter of social class.
That's because Most people tend to keep that type of information private. That's not exactly something one advertises.
As a white homeowner, I can speak from personal experience when I say I don't mind having an upper-middle-class black homeowner next door to me. However, I DO mind having every house on the block be renter-occupied (regardless of the race of the occupants). An all-investor neighborhood usually tends to be occupied by poor families whose kids frequently engage in illegal activities. When we say, "There goes the neighborhood," it has nothing to do with race and has everything to do with social class. I don't like waking up at 3 AM on a weeknight to the sound of someone else's subwoofer blaring outside my bedroom window.
you are correct. most poor people don't realize that their behavior can be rather annoying.
It is not soley a race problem though race is a major factor. There are more poor whites in this country than blacks. Where is the redlining against them?
There isnt. So once they gain the resources to move into a community, the community embraces them with open arms.
Like anything, it depends on where you live. There are so many dynamics and factors that go into the structure of a community or neighborhood. It’s too easy to say “housing segregation is still a reality”. Maybe it does where you live, but that doesn’t mean it does where I live. This editorial paints a picture using a brush that is far too broad.
Could we give it up already? When is it going to be enough for some of you? We elected a black (at least half-black) President, for God's sake. Some people of color are scared to death of losing the "beleaguered and discriminated against" status for fear they'll actually have to compete on equal ground now.
One (half black, half white) president..........ding ding ding ding ding ding racism and discrimination are OVER.
You criticize people using juvenile language and name calling.. mmmmm, just wondering who the moron is..
Juggernaut, the reason people don't like you is because you're an obnoxious jerk. It's not racism.
If you were white, you'd still be annoying.
Is it that whites are still afraid of blacks and that's why they try and keep a one leg up so THEY can keep the playing field equal? By far as you have seen or just to blind to see but blacks have and will continue too over come any obstacles, challenges that they are faced with. So continue to give them scraps and watch as they continue to turn it into a master piece. Wise up they can't be defeated.
I don't think whites are afraid of blacks because they are black. Black neighborhoods tend to have much higher crime rate and that's what whites fear. It's not the race that matters. Whites don't mind Chinese or Koreans move in next door.
If you knew any black people, you'd know they are just as afraid of other blacks as everyone else.
Ha! I grew up in an all white neighborhood. Those Sundown stereotypes I spoke of, well, I can tell you everyone thought I carried a blade, I was uber athletic (especially basketball and football – I played soccer), I could fight (poorly, thankfully never tested) oh and I could probably jump reeeeally high.
And you're right, I'm black and there are black neighborhoods in Dallas I wouldn't even drive through
Black in America... at 36 part series or tear jerkers...
I hate when CNN race bates...hey CNN, where is your story about your contributor Roland Martin that was suspended for using hateful gay slurs?
Cashun Please – A response
Dude your piece was great. Really! I’m a white man, and I suspect I’m a bit older than you. I grew up in a middle class area in Long Island NY during the sixties where I went to grade school with black kids. About 80% white and 20% black. As little kids I remember the one thing we found different was our hair. We thought it was funny. When I started second grade I had just moved into this area and the biggest problem I had was with other white kids. I was the new kid – the how tough are you nonsense. The whites were a mix of Italians and Irish, both of which hated each other, and both groups disliked the blacks. These were the Grand children of European immigrants and the hatred – dislike, whatever, was taught to them by their elders. I can imagine their dinner conversations with Grandpa spewing all kinds of hatred and foul references to color and heritage and the kids believing this is OK. I’m mostly English.
So after and few months of after school fights, and I beat up more than a few, things settled down. During this time I became friends with a bunch of black kids in my class, both boys and girls. That made me an outcast with some of the white kids, but I didn’t care because I didn’t know prejudice, class, or any other human differentiator. I was just a little kid and we had fun together. My one friend, and I’d love to know how he is today, was a guy named William, I understand now that he was less fortunate monetarily than me, never the less, we would talk about all kinds of stuff. BB guns, and mini bikes were a hot topic in those days so we would walk home to my house a couple of times a week and Mom would make us lunch and then we’d go into my yard and I taught him how to shoot my BB gun. Mom didn’t care, but the neighbors did.
We were buddies up until sixth grade when we went to Junior High. Ours was 80% black and 20% white. After Dr. King was assassinated, the riots broke out and it was every man for himself. Roving blacks, mostly High School kids beating on white kids and whites who associated with blacks beat up by white kids.
William and I never had a problem, and we continued to acknowledge and respect one another. But we never had the opportunity to mature together because of the prevalent hatred induced by old beliefs handed down from the ‘elders’. Our innocence was high jacked, and that is the root of the problem. I’m no bleeding heart liberal, I’m a Human, and Schools, Government, and God forbid, European Socialism will not solve the problem of Human coexistence in a population. History proves this. As Human, we have the God given (not Government mandated) right to our dignity, individual beliefs, and self respect. We just have to remind our selves that other people have these same rights too.
But with “Cars parked in the grass, all kinds of sh**!! in the yard, cook some strange sh** that leaves a odor in the air, and a damn circus done moved in next door “it isn’t easy – tolerance is the key here.
Honestly, I'm a black man and I don't want to live in the "hood" anymore than the next man but a mix of people is cool. Look, every race has some ghetto a**- sh** they do and to me its just a matter of what you feel you can deal with. As black people, are we loud, bougie, fake, and materialistic at times, yes we are. Alot of us don't have alot of class or dignity because we are being transformed into a "european type social order" where this kind of stuff originated. We want to be accepted by whites so much that we have adopted alot of our behaviors from them. Alot of us don't know what it means to "have somethin". So its hard for us to respect other peoples property and space. Some of us can never leave the "project mentality" behind because we don't know any better. Its sad too because I know that these kids will keep the cycle goin when they grow up. As far as Asians go, they just weird. I mean they cool to live next to, very quiet, but they just smell funny and cook some strange sh** that leaves a odor in the air that makes you wonder. Mexicans will tear a neighborhood up if its alot of them. Cars parked in the grass, kids everywhere, fat outta shape women walkin' around all day doin nuthin' but eatin' and waitin' on their man to come home to get'em pregnant again, and that f!*&% up music they listen too, like a damn circus done moved in next door. White people are divided into two classes. Poor white trash, with all kinds of sh**!! in the yard and the ones thats got some class. The poor ones try to show you how ghetto they can be, while the ones who are so called "middle class" try to show you how much they love black people. Of course they nosey as hell, and will tell you all they business, and want you to be their best friend but at least they will keep they're yard up. The poor whites are bad because they kids want to be black. Its just dumb and stupid to look at everyday. Hate to say it but we as black people do have alot to work on when it comes to moving up and moving on............
You're "white" in the first paragraph and "black" in the last. Neat trick.
Thanks – top is the repose to the bottom
You put an awful lot of work into this for a post on a commentary page.. I read it, but honestly, your point eludes me.. On these type of sites short an to the point tends to work best..
I will never attend a church, live in a neighborhood or maintain friends of only one race. I feel rather uncomfortable doing that. I want to be around a mix of people with shared ideas and ideals and from whom, while we may differ, bring positive attributes to the table. I learned from an early age that rich does not mean good or decent and that poor does not mean lacking in quality, grace and humanity. I have the luxury of living my life according to my humanity, rather than the dictates of any group or groups. I kowtow to no one but God.
Segregation in America is alive and operating full throttle.. Just look at the GOPs. Wake America, segregarion and racism was and always will be in througout America. People bragg about their cookie cutter steppford suburbia neighborhoods and make fun of urban homes, communities, school etc;, to them (narrow minded people) anything and everything urban is bad, BS......
Racism is found in both parties.
Well the problem with this article is that it is stereotyping people in general. I moved to area in Clinton MS and the home I bought was next to a black husband and wife. They were no different that I am and lived there for a very long time. But they were decent people and not some gang-banger acting morons.
Would I do it again , yes! I don't discriminate on skin color, I discriminate on intelligence and financial ability.
"In general, unlike potential white home seekers, potential black homebuyers often do not inherit wealth from the previous generation. In most cases, blacks do not have the flexibility to borrow money from parents to purchase their homes. This potentially limits blacks’ ability to purchase homes in certain locations causing middle class blacks homeowners to live in close proximity to the black poor and reside in suburban areas less substantively white and affluent than their white middle class counterparts."
See, this is where discrimination is done by class, and not race. Lower Middle Class and Lower Class PEOPLE (not, black or white, just PEOPLE) are discriminated against. There are bigger issues here than race. We put race aside, and deal with things as they really are, aka rich vs. poor, the class warfare that's been going on FOR CENTURIES, and we might actually accomplish something.
Can you tell my folks who lost the majority of their assists during this recent depression, that I'm due for some inheritance? White man's problems I guess...
While I understand rich and poor I do not understand inheritance. My parents did not pay for my college and did not pay one penny for any apartment or home I have ever lived in. There is noting preventing any other racial group from doing what I did. I had loans from college and most African Americans I went to school with graduated with less in loans because they got scholarships because of their race. My neighborhood when I moved in was 70% white and now is more like 85% white. My neighbors are black. Our kids play together. They like me got an education and jobs and moved into the neighborhood. Neither of our families got a windfall from family dying. I don't agree that whites own homes from people dying and family money because most own their home prior to having access to any family money.
It seems as though the author and others believe in a grand conspiracy by the realtors and cities all across the US to segregate races by using discriminatory practices when deciding where a person should or can buy their home. I don't buy into the discriminatory practice theory. I do however see where segregation happens do to other factors, economics being the greatest factor. Success through hard work and sacrifice allowed my family to have greater options when it came time to select a home to buy. After years of living in what many Yankee city slickers would consider to be a trashy redneck trailer park, we worked hard, sacrificed and saved our money so that one day we could move into our dream house. We first looked at what size home we could afford, the neighborhood crime statistics, area schools, proximity to our job and family members. Based on these priorities, the majority of homes we looked at and eventually bought were in predominately white neighborhoods. We actually have a very diverse neighborhood with families of all races, but not everyone can afford to live there. Perhaps it's not racial segregation as much as it is economic segregation. But have no worries, I’m sure the liberals in office are already working on a plan to give everyone enough money to buy that hard earned dream house in whatever neighborhood they want to live in.
The issue is not that segregation exists so much as economic segregation does, however, I do not blame all my problems on "society" First of all the civil rights movement ended about 40 years ago and since then equality for all races has improved. People assume that when the government says segregation is illegal that will change the hearts and minds of people. This is NOT true. Economically African Americans are behind the rest of america (most not all) they are not all poor, but many are lower middle class to low income. Instead of perpetuating the idea that segregation exists and keep people angry maybe you should write articles to educate Blacks on how to better manage their money, understand their credit, and the importance of prioritizing payments. I had a friend that when the rent was due she would spend 400 dollars on clothes and then stress about the rent. That is beyond me. Blacks need to understand you should not stand outside of a mall waiting on the latest Jordans.
Too much emphasis is put on hair, clothes, cars and LESS on EDUCATION, Homeownership, Saving. Young Black children feel the only way to be successful is to play basketball, football, etc... No one is taught to be the next Nobel Peace Prize winner. If you really want to help the black community educate people instead of writing articles that discuss how racism exists. We already know this we can't change individual minds.
I'm a fairly successful black man and I agree with you. The reality is that most of us know this, but dare not say it less we be labeled as Uncle Toms.
The group who benefited more is WHITE WOMEN and white gays. If you take a look at the work place, the media etc, the ones who are getting more and more promotions are the White women and gays and once they get to the top they act the same as the White men, discriminate against Blacks and Latinos.
You've fallen off your wagon. I'm a white woman who was laid off while I was pregnant and haven't been able to find work sense. In actuality, white women have a hard time finding jobs, especially if it involves physical labor which I am completely capable and inclined to do. There's more of an encouragement for companies to hire minority workers. There's incentives for doing so or the company could face penalties.
We still make excuses for our actions. We still state that someone steared away someone from somewhere else. Did someone put a gunt o their head and said no you should live here and not there. So sad if people are this weak. I had to laugh at this article. She shows her own racism on the subject. Suck it up and move foreward. Stop making excuses for your actions becasue of someone else. Free agency is the basic human right and this country is flushing it down the toilet and making excuses how we need to be more fair. This country is done for.
actually you are showing your racism, this lady is educated and has a good job. Giving fake prices just to scare one group of people is pretty F up.
When I moved to the Los Angles area I didn't know any of the suburbs and neighborhoods, and I wasn't going to go out and research on my own the hundreds and hundreds of possibilities. My realtor suggested several neighborhoods in our price range and we focused on those. The whole reason I'm using a realtor is that they know the area and I don't. I'm hoping to gain the benefit of their knowledge. The idea that only weak people would allow a realtor to steer them into certain neighborhoods is silly. It is so easy for a realtor to just not mention a certain neighborhood and the person looking for a house doesn't even know that there is an option they don't know about.
Juggernaut, I agree . She is an educated lady with a good job, but she sites no facts to back up her claims. The only actual reference she gives is an article by Mr. Wise, who is a race baiter that makes his living off of racial conflict..
This is all crap!! While housing segregation may still exist in some areas of the country, for the most part if you have the money to buy a nice house in a good neighborhood, you can. While where I live now is a mostly upper middle class Hispanic neighborhood it’s not because if segregation it’s because of the net worth of my neighbors where I live in Texas. I think 70% of the city is Hispanic. All of the people in my neighborhood have worked hard for the thing they have and want to keep up their property value. As far as all the stereo type go, some are true for some small parts of all races. We need to stop mixing everyone from races into one group. I worked my ass off for everything I have and I didn’t get my job because of affirmative action. When I was young I lived in the ghetto, and there were guys walking around doing things that they shouldn’t have been doing White, Black and Hispanic. So when you say all these people do this, or all those people do that, you might want to look at their parents and see how they were raised. If they are raised to be sorry, lazy and nasty when they grow up they will be the same.
David, I agree! I'm in the DFW area, an area of TX which saw little of the housing bubble anyway, but yet is 52% Hispanic and homeownership is booming for everyone! This author writes from a B L A C K perspective, not from any other minority, despite her best attempts to seem inclusive and represent them all.
Furthermore, the very 1st paragraph of the article, under Economics, cost the author any semblance of credibility. She categorizes all white people as rich and "who pass down their wealth to their children, who borrow money from their rich parents to buy affluent houses"! W T F! what an id10t! News flash closed-minded author, very few white people are rich! Most of us are middle to lower middle income and struggle hard, coming from nothing, to save up enough to buy our own modest homes, get our education and raise our kids right. To the author: your r@cist stereotyping ignorance shines in full force in this article.
This, in addition to the fact that the author can't spell...."race still maters"?? oh please.....people like you keep this debate alive a century after Ossian Sweet, simply because you can't bear to lose the definition of your existence and accept that you're outdated and the world has moved on past your limited vision, where you see what you want to.
Come visit my racially diverse neighborhood, the school I teach at (70% african-american and mostly upper middle class), my church and other parts of the country that you obviously know nothing about.
There is a trend of Black Women dating, having relations and marrying White Men. I am a White Man dating a Black Woman. We talk to one another why we are attracted to each other. One of her reasons, is the Black mentality which is described to me as crying and pointing the finger about stuff like this.
so you just GENERALIZE on all black women???
you are just a racist piece of sht$ and a liar, you are not married to a black girl. you are just saying that in order to be able to spout your racist nonsense and think people will not call you out.
Did you date EVERY BLACK girls in the USA to notice that "trend"??? m0r0n.
The wannabe Tarzan is an idiot.
i wannabe Tarzan??? where do you get that from??? LMAO
Juggernaut, I think fitness821 was trying to take your side in this debate by making fun of Tarzan. You really need to read the posts before you spout your gibberish..
New Orleans public housing is 96% black according to the census bureau. Why aren't the poor white folks in New Orleans living in $300,000 HUD apartments with granite counter tops, wood flooring, stainless steel appliances, computer access, gym, and all yard work done by the taxpayers like the black folks get? Google it if you don't believe me.
LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
the housing provided by the government look more like $10,000 homes you liar.
and also your stat is a lie, please give us a LINK OF YOUR SOURCE you big fat liar.
@ Juggernaut, you have obviously never been to NOLA....you can't even buy a car for $10K. you're the m0r0n. If you ever get to visit NOLA, you will see that this poster is correct and is part of the feds "we're going to make it up to you after Katrina" response. And these types of free rides and benefits only increased under the current administration: free benefits to those who don't earn and tax the heck out of those who do, deny them what they pay taxes for and redistribute it to "said" recipients of free benefits. lmao to you too
Ok... I am not going to quote from the article, but the author lives in the "most wealthy black sub-division" in America, when when she ask people why they want to live there. Something about "I want to live with other middle class BLACK family"... who is the raciist here???????
I am asian, have a friend who rents, the building used to be nice, and then one, two, three, black family moved in with their kids. sutddenly, some not so nice picture appeard on building walls, when the owner cleaned it up, those pictures showed up again. Then those kids start to ask my friends for money!!!. when he won't give them, a nice hole appeard on his wall, and they start to through out racial slurs towards my friend. When my friend complaint to the landlord, the landlord told him they can't throw them out because he will probably get sued. Then my friend had to move.
I don't know about racial steering. when I bought my house, my agent certainly did NOT trying to sell me a house that is mostly asian. I can hardly believe that an buyer's agent won't try to get the max amount of commission. I certainly would want my commission to be as high as possible, regardless of the buyer's skin color.
Please don't throw out the race card everytime. Please exam why people fell this way. Is it really because of the skin color? or is because of the behavior of the majority of the people in that group. Please consider why people have the perception of Asians doing well in school, why Jewish people are rich, and why people don't want to live in black 'hood.
I can agree that there are reasons for stereotypes (being your typical Jewish girl who is not ashamed to pick change up off the ground). While that doesn't allow for prejudice behavior or reactions, it should be understood that it is merely a reflection of what the majority of a group are known for, for better or worse, and that the best way to combat it is to prove the stereotype wrong.
I am sorry you had such a bad experience, but that could happen with any family of any ethnic background. That is purely a lack of parental discipline. However, renting is always different from owning a home. Those that own homes tend to take better care of their homes and neighborhoods. They try to get along with their neighbors because they are going to be living there for a long time. Renters, however, do not know how long they will live there and are often there temporarily they will not care for a residence as well as an owner would. It is important that more people own their homes than ppl who just rent. I say this because I worked for a mortgage company for several years and when the bank do loans for investments the owner has to come up with at least 20-30% down because rental homes devalue the neighborhood. Renters do not care for homes i.e. renters do not care for apartments which is why the lack of respect for the building, neighborhood etc. This is NOT all renters, but it speaks true for many.
But then you also have to take into account there are renters who do care about upholding the condition of their home and neighborhood, however temporary, while there are homeowners who run meth labs, dog fighting rings, etc out of their house. It still depends on the type of person and their values.
so the stereotype that all serial killers and child molester are white male must be true too :-)
That's a media-promoted myth, not a sterotype based on factual observation.
lol I'll admit this is one of the first times I've been let on to that stereotype (I thought all white men were supposed to be rich and living on Easy street), but as I said, if you want to combat the stereotype, prove it wrong.
waaaahhhhhh waaaaaahhhhh waaaaaaaahhhh
let us blame the media.
how are you going to prove it wrong???
just recently to white teacher were caught in LA and a little girl in Walmart got away from a guy who tried to abduct him, also white.
Yeah, the blacks don't have the capability to premeditate anything. They're too impulsive. How racist are you?
You stated 1, 2, 3 black families moved in with kids. How many black families are we actually talking about? Also, can you honestly say that all the kids from each of the families are causing the problem? Or, that it may be one or two that's causing the problem.
In my neighborhood, many middle class black families D O N' T want other black families to move in! They never know what they're going to get: someone trying to escape the ghetto but wind up bringing it with them into the neighborhood OR educated, normal people who would make great neighbors. Funny how so many middle and upper income black parents work so hard to bring their kids up in better places only to have those kids ruin the whole batch in the name of "trying to be hard". Somehow, if white and non-black kids make stupid mistakes, they're supposed to be held accountable but if black kids make stupid mistakes, neighbors have to "look the other way and not do anything about it so as not to appear r@cist or get sued". Nobody.... regardless of color.... wants ghetto in their neighborhoods and a small % of black families A R E the only ones who wanna continue on living in ghettos and refuse to leave it behind. No other races do that.... they all want out and to be better than that. Call that housing discrimination if you want, but the author lives in a "upper class neighborhood too". Seems S H E escaped it..... why isn't she going back? It's obvious. Reminds me of famous hip-hop, rap stars who sing all about being from the ghetto and sell their misadventures and upbringing in the ghetto and get rich of those experiences, only to move out and never look back?! And then lament conditions in the ghetto afterwards. hypo crite!
Lets be real, Racial Steering still exists, and we ARE NOT in a post-racial society. Unfortunately, no matter what some of you delusional people want to believe or choose to ignore, inherent practices of discrimination still exist because they have been handed down. The ugly facts are that: Those toxic home loans were presented more toward blacks and latinos and other minorities, than whites. Some blacks don't take pride in their home ownership and bring down the value of the neighborhood. Some White people prefer not to live close to or in neighborhoods with black folks because of the stereotypes that have been presented of black people. I don't want to live next door (ever again) to a mexican family who raises chickens in their back yard and has an old tire swing hanging from a tree in the front yard, because it's tacky. And yes, some people just prefer to live in areas that they feel comfortable and have something in common with their neighbors. You car argue all you want to, but this article does point out truths that some of you people don't want to accept, or refuse to believe is true.
I like chickens. I had a tire swing when I was a kid and I'm white. So I guess you're going to have to steer clear of white people too. Because, you know, one person represents an entire race according to you.
he clearly said "SOME", he did not say ALL white people, dont put words in people's mouth.
Juggernaut, Sarah did not put words in his mouth.. Here is his quote " I don't want to live next door (ever again) to a mexican family who raises chickens in their back yard and has an old tire swing hanging from a tree in the front yard, because it's tacky." You are the one who should not put words in her mouth...
We have mixed upper/middle class neighborhoods and we have upper/middle class enclaves for almost every ethnic group. The options are available.
What you want is to force your own views on everyone in every neighborhood.
Trailer parks are much safer than the ghetto
Ya know, news takes many forms and people don't always care about what is being reported on but come one CNN! I'm sure you can find articles to post that have at least some integrity... some basis in fact... there has to be...
this whole store and the author's entire premise is a load of hogwash. Agreed, segregation is real but people choose to do it on their own. The author wants us to believe that black people got foreclosed upon because they are black instead of the fact that they were not taking care of their bills. Thats such a cop-out.
Almost of every time the author of the article is talking about the group that she feels is being discriminated against she uses two words: black and poor, and yet her conclusions seem not to take the poor part into account. So lets take race out of it, lets say everyone was the same race, the middle class people would still move away from the poor people, because the poor areas would be more dangerous and less pleasurable to live in than the middle class or wealthy areas. The simple fact that race not withstanding, the situation between the wealthy and the poor would be the same seems to cast some doubt many points of this article. Also I don't have a problem with blacks, or asians, or latinos, or even whites wanting to live in the same areas, most of these races have a distinct culture. I live in Manhattan, and the fact that we have so many culturally distinct areas is part of what makes this city so wonderful and unless the author is offended and blacks for wanting to live around other blacks I fail to see the relevance. All and all a shoddy article with odd conclusions and poor logic. That having been said, racism does still exist in America, and it is a bad thing that it does.
I am not a racist, never have been. My family is white, Indian, Mexican and Asian. We have a mix of different cultures, races and views all within my family through marriage and adoption. We are truly a mixed family in all the senses.
This is why articles like this make me ill. I feel like lately there seems to be this big push that the "white man is keeping the black man" down mentality. This is not coming from white people in sheets, this is coming from supposed black leaders who continue to see conspiracy where there isn't any.
The only way to stop this whole divide is for these supposed leaders to step it up and bridge the gaps. Find solutions instead of trying to make a problem. Look to bridge the human divide and make this country whole. Only then will everyone focus on making themselves and their community a better place to live.
No, what is happening is that organizations are trying to incorporate people of color into the mainstream for awareness. The problem is that these people are just banging on a door that no one cares about anymore. In addition, they do not even interact with the people they write these articles on. If you not a college degreed person Dr. Marsh is not interacting with you. The problem in the black community is that we allow for people to ordain themselves leaders and then the rest follow. It goes to the "we big awards to speakers not doers" and this unfortunately is being utilized by the mainstream media. Check it, I live in Prince Georges County as well and the reason I moved there is because I am a young black man with a young family but can offer so much more to the young people around me by being an example. I could live in Bowie, MD which is a part of PG County but opted to move to Suitland, MD. The reason was simple I save more money by moving into this area and also getting more house for my dollar and then being the youngest family on the block and getting to know all the children and such around becoming a positive force or a ear when there is not one around. Dr. Marsh continues to come on here to disrepect us with her begging. If people do not want to live around you so what, she wants to them to be around her and thus puts us all in the equation.....Sorry but truthful.....
Once a person has money , regardless of his/her color they became the same as the white racists . Hating their own people .
Segreation is illegal, period. So anyone that thinks he is disciminated against can find a battery of Lawyers to take their case. I can't recall any discrimination cases lately. So Kris, check your facts again ! We had the housing bubble, that was supposed to allow anyone to get a morgage, afford it or not. So I can't find anything to support you story.
1 x 0 = 0. That means, you can't call society not racist if people still move away from middle and upper class blacks. 1 x 1 = 1. For our society to be one, the housing loans of the 1980s, 1990s and 2000ds would have been equal, and they were not. These were not equal loans: a white family would be given a lower interest rate and terms automatically, even if they were less qualified than a black family.
She didn't bring up another point: Although she lists housing discrimination, or "red-lining" from the 1930s to the 1970s, she did not bring up Ronald Reagon's privatization of farm loans in the 1980s, which caused most black farm owners to lose their farm businesses in the south. And "red-lining" continued in the 1980s, including businesses as much as individual homeowners. She did not give enough examples, because she covered homes rather than businesses, but she is right. Discrimination is almost higher now than it was in 1980, because bigots say things on T.V., radio, and in political statements that they would not have said back then, and continue to say such things despite carefully researched facts about money and people. I am white, and I purposely moved into a mixed neighborhood, because I was appalled when I searched for a home and found out the extent of the real estate discrimination. I wanted to make a difference. What have you done to make a difference in your community?
Elizabeth, Statistics showing that minorities typically have higher interest rates than their white counterparts are a result of pricing structures that compensated Mortgage originators on the basis of interest rates. I can tell you categorically that these folks did not care for you skin color when they quoted you an interest rate. They would have quoted God himself a higher interest rate if He would have allowed it.
White folks in general have much more experience with the home buying process and this familiarity made them exponentially less likely to be abused by being charged higher interest rates. I said "were" because the mortgage industry no longer compensates its sales force based on interest rates. You see, the problem was structural in nature and it harmed those without experience in the home buying process (regardless of skin color).
Statistics such as these don't line up factors such as surges in home purchases by minorities that might skew the numbers. As a Mexican-American, I see fading signs of racism in society but my job is to ignore them and to keep working toward a positive goal.
Give me a trailer park over a ghetto any day.
I'm a white male from a middle class family. After college I moved to Tampa Florida. Having not much money, my roommate and I moved into an apartment complex in a lower class neighborhood. I had been paying my own rent since I was 18 and had no intention of borrowing from my parents. (although admittedly I could have) Our complex had roughly 200 apartments, and we were 2 of probably 20 white tenants. While living there my car was broken into seven times and my apartment twice. Three out of the nine times the criminal was caught, each time it was a young black male with "associates" by his side. While I agree that black families as a whole don't have as much wealth to hand down to their children, this is no excuse for your children to be robbing your neighbors. I also agree that the history of this county has put black families behind economically, but you can only blame this for so many years before it's time to accept some responsibility. Other classes of people have experienced segregation and unfair labor practices (see the irish, latinos, asian communities) and all have progressed over the past decades.
my parents came to this country 20 years ago (legally) with $2k, three suitcases, and 2 teenage kids. now, both kids graduated colleges, im an engineer, my sister is a CPA and we have 6 houses amongst all members of our immediate family. we are immigrants and we had no inheritance, no money thrown at us other than what we earned by studying and working our a$$es off. we took advantage of what this country has to offer without putting a burden on other tax payers. we did it responsibly from ground up, why cant you (and by you i mean everyone, not black people, before some racist says "what do you mean by you people") ?
I will be glad to take articles like this seriously when whites can discuss issues in the black community without being dialed-in as racist.
That is NEVER going to happen.
How ca you discuss issues in the black community when you don't live in a black community?
Do I really need to live in the black community to discuss the number of teen pregnancies and black women as the single head of household? Really, do I have to?
Do I really need to live in white communities to discuss the number of surgical procedures (paid by mommy and daddy's insurance) they have to terminate pregnancies?
I'll bet that the writer lives in PG County. I Wonder why?
...because she says she does in the article?
This article makes me sick.
"In general, unlike potential white home seekers, potential black homebuyers often do not inherit wealth from the previous generation. In most cases, blacks do not have the flexibility to borrow money from parents to purchase their homes. This potentially limits blacks’ ability to purchase homes...". Really? I'm white middle class and have never borrowed or inherited a dime from my parents. I just payed attention in school and looked for ways to better my financial situation. Seems that Kris Marsh needs to do a some research other than talking with people on the streets of predominantly poor black neighborhoods. Probably get more facts and less whining.
Not to mention that what she said, should someone of any other race say those same words, they would be interpreted as racist. I'm curious as to where her facts are though highly unlikely she'd be able to show the numbers to back her opinion.
"Minorities" tend to have problems with money. It's that "live for the moment" thing.
I don't have a single white friend that this applies to. Where does she get her information from?
Out of the many white people I grew up with and still call friends (or family) to this day I only know of 1, out of a very large number, that inherited any real sum of money from her parents, and this only took place because her father died of a brutal battle with stomach cancer when she was 9 years old. What a lucky girl she is, right? This is article is an insult to my intelligence.
mnopinion – that's "paid" attention, not "payed" attention. Seriously.
Oh, and some of the most economically disadvantaged groups in the U.S. are actually Asian – A lot of Asian communities have high drug use/domestic violence/poverty rates, but the whole "model minority" myth is perpetuated to antagonize black people. So don't point at Asians and say "look how hard they work!" I am Indian and have relatives who lived in housing projects. I have cousins who are poor, lazy drug addicts with no ambition. You can respectfully disagree with the author's arguments, I agree – but the racist nonsense in these comments really just prove the author's points.
There is almost nothing worse and more pathetic than pointing out typos and grammar mistakes in online comment boards (unless the article is about typos and grammar mistakes). Shows that you are focusing on the wrong thing and should probably find something else to occupy your mind. I'm surprised you even read far enough to see the typo.
"you payed attention in school" ? Really? Not so much idiot or you would realize its "paid attention". Moron
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I am young, professional, and White. Married, 3 kids, first one in school.
I live in a town that by many has a perception of being an African-American middle-class suburb. The census says African-Americans make up 20% of the population in my town, and for many, it is seen as a step up from the City of Milwaukee for schools, etc.
I love my neighbors and neighborhood, and don't care what my neighbors look like, only that they can afford and maintain the home when they move in (forclosures have been an issue, predominantly caucasian forclosures). My next-door neighbor emigrated from Africa as a teenager, and is my best friend in the neighborhood.
The perception problem that my village faces, and from my research of other Minority-heavy neighborhoods, is SCHOOLS. Young families of Gen Y's and Millennials don't care about race as much, but they care about schools and test scores, and the scores in our school district are lower than ALL the neighboring, white-majority school districts. While our village is only 20% African-American, there is no ethnic majority in the school (45% African-American, 45% Caucasian, 5% Hispanic, 5% Asian).
In an era where education is seen as a key to success, test scores are used as a quick indicator of how good the schools are (whether it tells the whole story or not). Until you can get a minority-heavy school district to test as well as a 'White' school, it will be hard to convince many affluent Caucasians they want to stay in a diverse neighborhood, when 1-2 towns over the test scores are better. – They move not to get away from minorities/African Americans, but to get better schools, it just happens that less African Americans live there.
That is such a thought out and well written response to this article. It is factual and true. Thanks for an intelligent post.
The more blacks in a school system, the worse off it is in every respect.
Our school district isn't worse in every way. I am a very engaged parent in the schools, and there are things our school district is doing that are better than the other, better-testing, schools. Among some of them is Project Lead the Way (a pre-engineering program), as well as some great extracurriculars.
The lessons my kids will more directly learn about looking past a 'book's cover' are also valuable.
That being said, I know that the increase in minorities is the reason the test score average is lower. It's called the 'Achievement Gap.' **And this is where some people will get scared because I'm a white guy talking about racial differences.**
Our whites score as well as the whites in neighbor districts, our African Americans score as well as those in neighbor districts (roughly 4 points lower on ACT tests than caucasian/white), we just have more African Americans, so our school average is lower. There are test average differences with other minority groups as well, but at 5% of our school population, they don't play as large of a factor in school average, and not as statistically valid due to the small sample size.
this is how major-minorities will be getting back to you in the 2st century: against American principals paid by your own money. that is funny.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
Blacks crying again? What about the Vietnamese, the Thai, the Indonesians, the hispanics, and all the other minorities? I dont hear them crying all the time. Ohh yea thats because they are working their butts off, too busy doing their best to improve their lives to complain and cry. And guess what? They are successful at providing a better life for their kids. Lesson to be learned? Work hard, work your butt off, and dont compare yourself to others. That is not a measure of self worth.
What the hell do the foreigners and illegal immigrants have to cry about. It's people like you who pay them cash to cut your grass, and clean your house and clean your clothes. They don't have to pay taxes, and they get free health benefits, thanks to this ass-backwards country. So they are living the american dream.
It is easy perhaps for a latino immigrant to talk about black americans & judge them in the same fashion as more of the people have done in this forum. I like most of Americans in the past came here with nothing but dreams knowing that the good Lord has blessed this land so much I've done very well with jobs, invesments, etc in my 25 years living here. My family was stable & my father a great example of success (he started working at NINE (9) years & was a business owner at 17 for the rest of his 82 years). He never taugh me how to invest in real estate or how to be a faithful husband ...... ever one word. but I SAW the example in my family .. we are all hard working people. Black Americans & poor Americans in general have lost and are losing the sense of hard work and the destruction of the families and absence of the MALE in heir household shows up in wealth & influence. contrary to the ignorant stereoype, latinos contribute a great deal to this economy and are compensate in the lower scale due to the lack of higher education. Black men, please come home and stick with one family. you have the same or better potential than the immigrants like myself. this is your beloved country, your ancetors paid a great price for the freedoms we all enjoy today. Dream, forget the past &have faith in America ... the beautiful land of opportunities.
Sounds more like NYC....replacing NASCAR with yankees of course.
Just remember, nothing destroys real estate values like naming a street Martin Luther King avenue. Chew on that a while.
Your ignorance is evident by your post. You are aware that there is more racial segregation in the north. Please refrain from anymore posting as it only displays your limited intelectual ability.
Look what the blacks do to their neighborhoods, of course no one wants them in white neighborhoods.
I am astounded that people believe racial steering doesn't exist. I once worked with a real estate agent that kept trying to steer me to lower-priced homes and actually said "it's nice that you want to see these houses but you need to show me that you can actually afford them." I am an attorney, my husband is a consultant. We had been approved for $800k, but wouldn't show us homes that were on the market for $350k. It was absurd. We would suggest a neighborhood with good schools, nice yards, etc, and he would recommend that we visit other neighborhoods that he thought we would like better – run-down neighborhoods well below our price point. This, all in the course of a weekend. We showed him a listing and he refused to show it to us; it went off the market the next day. We found another agent who respected us, the house we wanted came back on the market and we bought it after being shown other very nice houses. That racist moron lost a sizeable commission. Sometimes, people act against their own interests because they can't get over the fact that people of color are able to afford to live in nice neighborhoods.
BS, there is more to this story than Pam is telling us.
I don't doubt Pam. I had the same problem when going to open houses for two years in the $600K-800K range. I lost count of how many times I was singled out and asked by a realtor in a room full of other potential buyers "if I could afford a house in this range." I did eventually buy my 2nd home last summer ... for $1.1M.
What's the BS Rick, that a black person can actually afford an $800,000 house and you can't? Sucks to be you...right?
BS, I live in northern VA in a $500k+ housing neighborhood and its completely diverse. Maybe you need to look at a different area, or get another realtor. Wow there is a idea. The realtor's in my area are interested in one color... green money. I suggest you find one of those and stop complaining. I just wish the realtors would stop selling single family homes to 4 families of illegals !
Pam is right. A few months ago my Fiance' and I were looking at a home. I (am a black woman) was in the backyard getting a tour and my husband (a white male) went around the front. A gentleman was leaving his house ascross the street and engaged in a conversation with my fiance'. He told him that his house was going on the market within the next month and that he should look into it. At that time I walked out into the front. My fiance asked for the number of his real estate agent. The guy took one look at me and changed his story. He said that his house was probably too expensive and that he didnt have a real estate agent.
Discrimination is not segregation.
If you haven't noticed, people of similar ethnicity tend to flock around each other. We have Chinatowns, Latino neighborhoods, and black and white blocks. Segregation is when it's government policy to enforce laws that make different races live apart. Let's not exaggerate here, Kris.
And the fact that people may choose to live among people similar to themselves is the fault of the white male....and should be payed for with the futures of young white males.
"when middle class blacks move into white neighborhoods, whites are still inclined to move." Damn straight!!!!
Wow...another writer at CNN pulling the ubiquitous race card, not really surprising at this point.
As a Hispanic male who actually grew up in an predominately African-American community I can understand exactly why one would have this bias. When I bought my first home in a mixed middle class neighborhood in NJ I constantly had to call the police on the African-American neighbors teenage children for loitering, noise and curfew violations. Lets not even mention lack of pride in ownership of said homes. Will it kill you to mow the lawn and not leave the trash cans out front permanently? (For Hispanic and white families/homes these were non-issues.) I gave up trying to keep it real and have since moved to an affluent neighborhood that is 96% white. I'm going to go out and say. Cultural changes are needed in African-American culture before anyone outside that group deems them desirable neighbors. #RealTalk
It is a good thing you are hispanic and not white....if you were white you would be compared to Hitler.
I once lived next to some mexicans and had to do leave because they cook tacos all day and night. Based on Newarks example, all mexicans cook tacos all day and night. Therefore, why do you cook tacos soo long Newark man?
Perhaps you missed the part where I say I grew up around African-Americans. Reading comprehension fail. In any event tacos are tasty, but NJ really doesn't have large concentrations of Mexicans.
Nobody is holding the black community back except for the black community. As to the author insinuating that white people are able to buy homes because they have help from inheritances and down payment help from family is ridiculous. I left home at 17 with nothing but money I had saved from birthday parties while growing up and babysitting. My parents never gave me a penny. Yet, by age 23, I was able to buy my first house while working a receptionist job – a brand new, modest, 3 bedroom, 1400 sq. ft. home in a good neighborhood in the best school district in the area. And, no, this was not way back in the day – it was only 15 years ago. In May, I'll make my last house payment, too, because it was financed on a 15 year note. Anybody can do it if that is their goal. Home-ownership just isn't the goal of everybody. But, for CNN to come on here and say that blacks are segregated when it comes to housing is silly. If they are, it is because they prefer to live in a community that reminds them of where they grew up or where their friends or family live. It's certainly not anything forced by the big, bad white man.
The author isn't going to talk about how African-Americans live beyond their means. The pursuit of the illusion of wealth through frivolous purchases and material possession. Just listen to hip-hop and what it glorifies: Gucci, Fendi, Prada, Bentley, blah blah blah. I was investing out of college in stocks, 401K and buying my 1st home while my black friends were blowing their money on headrest tv's and chrome rims for their Escalades. (They still don't own homes or have 401K's into their 30's.)
Same here. And just like you have black friends who live beyond their means, have no retirement and have no homes, I know a lot of white people in that same boat. It's silly for the author to assume it is a black/white thing when in reality, it is a responsible/irresponsible thing and a matter of priorities. If it were simply black/white, I'd like to see her explain why we have "white trash" trailer parks. One guy I know had the same economic upbringing that I did – we actually lived in the same neighborhood and went to the same school. When he left home, he chose to party and drink and waste every penny of money that he had – money that he received from odd-jobs and likely selling weed. To the best of my knowledge, he's never had a steady job, which was really by his own choice. He's white by the way. He's now early 40's and living in a rat hole, but by gosh, he's got spinner rims on his ride and a nice stereo and flat screen inside. Did the white man hold him back, too, and prevent him from owning a home in an affluent white neighborhood or did he do it to himself? Exactly. Choices. Priorities.
Sure, it's a matter of individual choice, but blacks seem to make poor individual choices a lot more than whites do.
@Mitch, or, the choices of a select number of black people get generalized as applying to the whole race while the choices of select numbers of white people remain only their individual choices and not applied to the race at large.
Teri, lets be real. How many of "us" really learn to save money from our "birthday parties" and babysitting jobs with a goal to be able to buy a house? Clearly, somebody taught you about the value of money and how to save. So don't sit up here and shake your finger at the rest of the crowd, you know damn well, you can't even get black folks to buy life insurance, much less save money responsibly.
I absolutely agree. I currently live in a mixed urban community of affluent whites, with nearby Section 8 housing–one community is predominantly Hispanic, and one community is predominantly african-american. The Hispanic community is typically very respectful. When I walk by their homes, their youth say hello and are polite. The front yards are kept clean and people proudly display Puerto Rican flags. The community seems to exude a sense of pride. The African American community, however, does not exude this same sense of pride. Young children are out on the playground unsupervised at 11:00 p.m. at night. Police squad cars are often cited parked, with lights flashing, in the lots (I try not to think of why they might be there since I live nearby....). I don't like to walk in that area because the young men tend to yell rude and obscene things to women passing by, and I can't tell you how many times I have heard youth use the N word and other obscenities that I find offensive. This is the reason that people don't want these folks as their neighbors. Why would you want to live next to a community or a group of people that are rude and offensive, and that don't take pride in their property? Over time, I have learned a tough lesson that the low-income, urban African American community needs to take more pride in itself. This has been my experience in urban areas. I can't speak for the 'burbs. I am ashamed to have come to this conclusion because I have been trained from a young age that this type of thinking is racist. However, experience over time–seeing and hearing too much to the contrary...it's tough to deny anymore.
You must live in the mid-west somewhere where housing prices are substantially reduced from your east and west coast neighbors. There's no way a person with a receptionist's pay can afford a 15-year mortgage for a new 3-br single family home, at least not without a lot of help in the down payment department.
The author of this article is not seeing the forest for the trees. Black people like to live amongst blacks, Caucasians like to live amongst Caucasians, Mexicans like to live amongst Mexicans, Asians like to live amongst Asians.
Absolutely, and what is wrong with that? Isn't it normal for races to want to live around their own race? What next-make it illegal for whites to move to mostly white areas because it is racist? Give me a break.
Crazy, isn't it? I mean you can't legally discriminate and pick and choose a buyer of your home based on race. It's fair game to anybody with the bucks/credit score to buy it. So, what's next? Will the government step in and say to me "You can't sell your house to a white family because there are already too many white families on your street. You must find a black buyer." Heck, why not? We are already told – "you have too many white employees, you must hire a black" or "you have too many white students, you must bus in some blacks" or "you have too many white kids on scholarships, you must give some of that money to the black kids even if their grades don't warrant a scholarship." Is housing going to be the next area where we see this type of thinking? Funny how everybody is supposed to be treated equally, but we have a tons of areas where certain races get perks.
Uh, no. My wife is black and I'm white. We like to live in a diverse community. We will never live where there all one type of people.
And there's nothing wrong with this either. But if people of a feather didn't flock together, there would be no such thing as little Italy, little China, little Armenia, etc. Letting people live life how they want is the best practice.
How about this, many times people choose who they want to live with and where they want to live.....however, many people in this country want to use certain things such as lack of assimilation to get free stuff.
My $0.02, you should open up your generalization a little bit though, there are more Latinos/Hispanics than just Mexicans... In NY and Boston, there are more Puerto Ricans for example... this said from a man who has a Mexican (-American, 5th generation) Mother-in-Law.
This whole story is just another attempt to perpetuate the belief that blacks arent getting a fair shake, and that is the reason for all of the problems in the black community. In reality there is no other race that receives as many breaks and perks as the black race. From Hombuyer assistance loans to affirmative action and these are just the tip of the iceberg. There are loan programs designated to only blacks for the purpose of business loans as well as rental assiatance and mortgage payment subsidies. The author attempts to portray the black community as the victim of unscrupulous white realestate agents who steer blacks to cheaper inferior neigborhoods. Believe me there isnt an agent out there that wouldnt want a higher commission from a higher priced home. As far as segregated neighborhoods, if you can afford it anyone can live there but some people would rather spend $600 a month on a car note rather than investing it in home ownership and there are many who fall in this category. Instead of focusing on segrgation the author needs to focus on financial responsability.
Exactly. It's all a matter of priorities and not everybody places home owner ship at the top of their priority list. Some want cars or flashy clothes or to eat out every meal or vacations and they will live in a cheaper home in order to be able to have those. Not sure why "expensive home" has become the way to classify ones success. I live in a modest home and probably have a higher net worth than most people living in half million dollar homes. I just don't see being house poor. As long as it's not on the verge of being condemned and the neighborhood is safe, that's really all that matters to me. I don't care to impress people who drive by and want to oooh and aaaah at all the McMansions.
So Rick you know more about this subject than the Dr who has studied it in detail? I think not. Do some research and stop giving your misguided opinion. Research Restrictive Covenants, Red Lining, the history of Cross Burning on minority properties, and discrimination in hiring. By the way you right wingers like to throw out affirmative action like it is some kind of get rich quick scheme for blacks but in reality afirmative action ceased to exist with Bakke case back in the 70's.
I can honestly say I do more then some west coast liberal professor who has never been employed in the industry she is writing about. I have been for over 20 years , so yes I do have more knowlege in this subject. Just because someone has PHD behind their name does not mean they are experts in all aspects of our society.
Discrimination in hiring? Yeh, discrimination against someone who isn't a minority. If certain groups of blacks quit spending so much time playing the pity card and looking for a handout and looking to get back at the white man, they may be able to pull themselves out of the 'hood. Notice I said "certain groups of blacks" – not all blacks. But, I'm talking about the 'hood rats who want to think it is the white man holding them back when in reality it is fear of stepping out and doing anything different that is holding them back, fear of being taunted by those in their community for acting too white and trying to better themselves, fear of having to take responsibilities for any future failures. It is easier (and safer in their eyes) to sit back and play the pity card and blame someone else for their shortcomings. And, you see that in all races – all races have a subset of their population that wants to pretend they are being held back and victimized by another set.
1. Blacks do experience a higher rate of discrimination
2. Blacks have had to overcome more to experience success. Many Blacks really work hard!
3. Blacks have worked and attained tremendous success
4. Many Blacks have not taken advantage of the opportunities afforded them and have brought many problems/obstacles to themselves. For that we cannot blame anyone else.
I prefer my neighborhood where no one wears their pants around the knees, they aren't constantly grabbing their junk and we don't have tags on every building. It's also quite pleasant we have no spontaneous Mariachi bands. It's not racist if it's true.
I'm white and my wife is black and I can gurantee that NEITHER one of us wants to see what you described in our neighborhood.
You couldnt find a white girl?
Spontaneous mariachi bands?? This is really a problem???
last time i lived in a mixed hood my car was broken into, so was my friend's, and my roommates car was taken for a joyride. since i live in predominantly jewish hood now i can leave my door unlocked 24/7. maybe the author of this story should first attempt the uphill battle of solving all crime and poverty, then cry about people of different race/background living in separate hoods
You think people won't come in the Jewish Neighborhood and rob you there either?
Is she for real? Blacks don't inherit. That comes from someone who is ignorant.
It's my fault that my mom and dad worked their butts off to have something to hand down?
Listen to your local police scanner it's usually free online. You want an eye opening experience on why I won't live anywhere near the hood! It's every second black male last seen.. black male hooded sweatshirt.. You want something to hand down you have to change your ways. You can't keep hoping to pin your lack of control on someone else hoping you'll win the hand me down lottery.
Jeremy, maybe you are the ignorant one? Blacks are less likely to inherit money from their elders, than whites, because sadly most blackfolks don't create any wealth to hand down. We do leave a lot of debt though, including the funeral costs, because most of us don't buy life insurance.
Clearly you live in or near a majority black area. If you turned on a police scanner in the Midwest, you would hear the same thing except the descriptions would start with white male. How much do you want to bet that in Italy the criminals are usually an Italian male. Please go to the FBI crime statistic report online and see what race commits the majority of crime through out the U.S:
It just stands to reason that the race that has the greatest population would also have the highest number of people arrested. Don't believe everything in the news.
The author is so focused on black people that she can't see the ridiculousness of complaining about the disparity between blacks that have money and those who don't when the same can be said of rich and poor white. Is the author saying that racism is behind every thing? It wouldn't be cultures like to be with each other? I am never going to move into a hasidic neighborhood or move to utah. I must hate jews and mormons. Does she analyze the sports that are predominantly black and assume racism against whites? Good grief
With the current houseing market the way it is this is what you are worried about?
Want to know what really ruins a neighbourhood?...vacant houses and homeless people...well them and rednecks.
Ya...this article is a real problem.
Actually, "rednecks" tend to mind their own business.
I'll take them over nosy, lecturing libs any day.
He's probably mixing up rednecks and white trash – a lot of people do that. Not the same.
The people who go around lecturing their neighbors are mostly either proselytizing religious busybodies, lonely retired folks, or neighbors who have neighbors who infringe upon their property in some way. None of those are likely to be "libs"
Birds of a feather flock together. Come on, people. It's human/animal nature.
Lots of animal eat their own poop. Is that something we should solidify in our society as well?
People prefer to live among those like them.
Legislation to correct this horror of horrors is no doubt in the pipeline.
....huhmm,, sorry I dozed off. Was there a point to this article. I thought there would be relevant examples of current segregation not your college thesis on segregation.
I tend to think that no matter the person (Black, White, etc..), we all tend to look out for ourselves. If that is true then your suposition that Real Estate Agents steer Black people away from White neighborhoods, or inflate the price to make it unaffordable, makes no sense. I have a few Real Estate friends and it is a cut-throat business. They could care less the color of the buyer, all they see is the green of their money.. If you are going to make those kind of claims Ms. Marsh, you need to cite proof, otherwise the conversation degenerates into a he said she said arguement.
Sorry Kelly, but racial steering still occurs.
Since the enacting of federal laws and the emergence of movement organizations, there have been several lawsuits brought up against individuals and companies for racial discrimination.
Realty Forum vs. New York State Attorney General (1988): This case involves the New York State Attorney General suing a Yonkers Real – Estate agency, The Realty Forum in 1988 with racial steering. The Attorney General accused the firm of "providing listings of apartments in particular neighborhoods based solely on a client’s race or color". The Attorney General began investigating the Realty Forum after receiving complaints from the Westchester Residential Opportunities. The Realty Forum has since been found guilty.
Corcoran Group vs. New York State Attorney General (2006): This case involves the New York State Attorney General suing a real estate brokerage in Brooklyn Heights, New York City with racial steering. The National Fair Housing Alliance following up on a past report found "literal and blatant sales steering… where the agent applied a new trick – he used a map to tell whites instead where they should "flee to". The alliance then referred the case to the New York State Attorney General which subsequently placed charges against the group. The case is still pending.
Coldwell Banker vs Illinois Attorney General (2006): This case involves a Chicago real estate company being accused of racially steering prospective homebuyers by the Illinois Attorney General. The agency was first investigated by the National Fair Housing Alliance in late 2005. The alliance in their report accused the agency of "blatant discrimination…against African Americans". The alliance continues that white prospective home buyers were shown 36 listings while African Americans who were better qualified were shown only seven. The company denies any wrong doing and the lawsuit is still pending.
Century 21 Town and Country Vs. The Michigan Department of Civil Rights (MDCR) (2006): This case involves the Michigan Department of Civil Rights suing the Century 21 Town and Country of discrimination. The department issued these charges after receiving complaints of illegal steering of white homebuyers to predominatley white neighborhoods and African American homebuyers to predominately African American neighborhoods. The complaints were initiated by the National Fair Housing Alliance after their investigation which concluded in July 2005. The case is still pending.
Although individual firms have been accused of Racial Steering throughout the United States and found guilty, researchers point out that there have however been no accusations that would affect a significant amount of the United States population. Diana Pearce states that since "the passage of federal lesilation and a landmark Supreme Court decision, there has not been one large lawsuit about housing... in contrast [to] school desegregation and employment discrimination, where ... laws and court decisions have had compartively more impact".. She continues that "as long as it is assumed in the general lesilation and as long as lawyers and judges assume generally that the problem in housing discrimination is that of a few homeowners (or real estate agents who step out of line), practices ... will continue to perpetuate housing segregation".
Lots of lawsuits get filed. I dont know both sides of what you are using as examples.
@lotshelp, then look it up. There's a new thing all the kids are using now. It's called Google.
If you have money you can stay where ever you want PERIOD. The problem is that blacks want to stay in these pretigious suburbs knowing full well you cant afford the mortgage or paying those outlandish HOA fees. But you have to pay to live in those types of neighborhoods. I have never encountered any of this steering racism my experience with relators is all they see is green maybe that s h y t goes on in the North which is a fact that neighborhoods in the North are the most segregated in the country. Here in the South unless you make millions then you may find mostly white neighborhoods but that would be due to income and not skin color. This article is a bunch of bs because it is generalizing the whole country that way it would be credible if she wrote where this racial steering is occuring as far as states, regions, or cities. It is not a national problem maybe it is where she stays give us some facts instead of pulling your personal opinions out of your A Z Z. It's not what you know it's what you can prove. Show me a statistic when you make this kind of accusation Im not saying it doesnt happen, but one shoe dooesnt fit all. From a blackman
Here's what really happens. These white realtors....their parents have told them their entire lives that the system works for them and they can do over black people any time they want. So, they do......and then use colorblind racist rhetoric to cover up their faults....kinda like the rhetoric you use. Hey, are you a relator?
the problem withe the White race they have no clue That GOD created ALL of mankind in varing color and languages and when you HATE another person because of the color of the SKIN then you are hateing GOD's creation. Then ~~~WHO DO U HATE????
@spaulding I've been white for almost 45 years now, a realtor for almost 20 years, and my parents still haven't gotten around to telling me that I can do anything I want to blacks and get away with it. When do you think they'll get around to it, because they're kind of getting up there in years and I'd hate for them to die without passing on this vital information.
(That, by the way, is sarcasm aimed at your race-baiting.)
Yep Spaulding, that is what is happening all across America. Those white realtors were all taken aside and put in the same all white classroom and told to keep the black man down. It was universal across the country and it's a huge conspiracy.
Well I guess if you've never had that experience then it doesn't happen. My regular real estate lady who is white told me how she left a real estate company because they were told to steer blacks to certain areas.
Bill, don't let them know about the white classrooms or the meetings that all white people in American attend weekly.
So then, jb, the problem is with those real estate agencies.....one of the many problems recently with real estate agencies.
Sorry phillip granville spaulding, you should read a post before responding.. I said to Ms. Marsh that she needed to site proof otherwise it degenerates into a he said she said arguement. That is quit different from denying that there was any discrimination as you alleged... Please try to be accurate. And talking about your post, most of the cases you cite are just allegations that have not been adjudcated yet and we do not know what the determination will be. Finally, Ms. Marsh in her own commentary quotes Black residents of an affluent neighborhood as saying that they preferred living with other Black middle class families, and wanted their children growing up with other Black children. Maybe some of the steering was done because that is what the Black families desired.. Either way I am left wondering why she felt it ok that these Black families said this.. Would she have felt ok if White families had said the same thing?? Interesting to ponder..
Kelly you cant talk to ignorance it has to die out dont explain. These are the same people looking for goverment handouts the white blue=eyed liberals have brainwashed 90% of them into believing they are helpless, hopeless, and cant go to the bathroom unless told to mdo so. The white liberals control these black pet monkeys and find them amusing and will never accept them as their equal, THE ILLUSION OF INCLUSION. What they dont know they are being controlled by their white handlers through welfare, they tell these plantation monkeys vote for us and we will keep the welfare money comming to the hood. They think they are getting over paying $10 for rent, but we will see what happens when the bottom drops out of this economy if their white handlers will come to their rescue. FACT 70% of the U.S. budget is goverment assistance the average person that recieves these freebies amounts to $32, 495 these type of giveaways are unsustainable if you talk to any economist. But these plantation monkeys think life will be grand in the next 10years, but it want, those in the inner city are going to pay heavily see if the Congressional Black cacus comes to the rescue.
European type social order?? That's a new one.
What I find funny is the disdain and contempt that comes from some of the white people who disagree with the author. A few of you are obviously racist and yet appear angry at the notion that racism still exists. You reference black people as "them" and so forth. You complain at the very few "luxuries" that minorities have while seeming to forget that we as a race literally are far more well off than any culture on the planet. Not to mention, racially biased legislation creates the "ghettos" that we fear getting lost in. Many policies facillitate the poverty, crime and education inequality that we scoff at and fault folks for.
agreed, the folks on here just reaffirm the author's point, angry white people who feel like everyone should shut up and let them have their way.
I don't get why the author want to writing this article? Do you want a law to be pass that would enforce certain percentage of each minorities in each neighborhood or do you want the government to create a low interest mortgage plan to all African American? All I see is stating a fact that people already know or a fact that they don't believe in. I think articles like this is just pouring more salt into the racist wound that this country still recovering from.
Also when all other minorities ranked one single minority as the the least desirable to live by then there is something wrong with the minority itself. I not saying the other minorities are right instead I think all parties are equally liable.
CNN...I thought you learned about your race baters? Where is the story about Rolland Martin (your biggest race bater) getting suspended today for making slurs agaist gays?
CNN hasn't anywhere near the level of integrity to discuss that.
lol race baiter is right out of the kkk's dictionary
Test... because seriously, rubbish gets through and my previous post didn't.
One paragraph at a time until I see what's tripping the filter...
I'm happy to see the comment from your neighbor regarding their choice to live in a black neighborhood. Few articles I've seen dive into whether segregation is forced or chosen, and why some choose to live with people who look like they do. I wasn't around for the great desegregation debacle that began in the 50s and continued in force for the following two or three decades. But I imagine the overriding goal of black parents was to secure a better education for their children, not round out their kids' social skills by providing exposure to white playmates (many who parroted their parents' prejudices).
Ain't my fault whenever a community turns majority black it goes down the sinkhole. And does CNN always employ these damn annoying racist black commentators? Hey guess what CNN, my parents are immigrants, we are white, my dad came here with 6K dollars; we now own a house, two cars, two cats, and i have high aspirations for my future career.
Oh wait, that's right, maybe because whites in general have a culture for studying and not making fun of the "smart" kid so badly that the smart kid starts doing drugs to blend it. I'm sorry, but i would never want to live near a very black neighborhood, i am not racist, it's just that you seem to attract crime. Not saying all blacks are bad, but most all black areas are horrible. And if anything, whites are now being discriminated: Aff. Action (a black can get a lower score on his SAT then the lowest scoring white and still get in), can't say anything bad about them or it is hate speech. They hit you it's simple battery, you hit them it is attempted murder, a hate crime, etc...
Just my 2 Russian cents, the only group of people who know why it is bad to be PC.
Social scientific studies of that claim (neighborhoods go down once blacks move in) find no evidence of that claim.
And the hard working immigrant story is soo cute, but ignores provisions the U.S. gave voluntary immigrants. Oh, and then there's that thing called whiteness.....and the other thing called legacy clauses that have allowed whites with lowest SAT/GRE test scores admission into some of the finest universities in America. But of course, you likely wouldn't mind living next to or attending college with those groups because they're.....white.
Racism is such a horrible thing, and brings the worse out of people (as we see from your post, lulzsec).
And we see it from your post as well.
Why not learn to spell, use decent grammar and then...........criticize. There are some really pathetic comments here.
Have a great day.
Im black and I dont want to stay in a predominately black neighborhood I prefer to stay in a mixed neighborhoods in suburbs with upper income it's hard to having a conversation with somebody a politics or world events when all they want to talk about is the 20s on their car and big booty black women and sports. I stayed in a black neighborhood with mexicans and po white trash the neighborhood was f*** up.
Congratulations on the cats.
Natural segregation happens all the time. Animals do it. Humans are animals too. I'm sitting in a class right now and as I long around, blacks are sitting with blacks, asians with asians, women with women, white males with white males. No one was assigned a seat. Everyone made a choice to sit wherever. Next time you go to a movie, look around and see it before the lights go out. Look around at diners. People will choose to be around whomever they are most comfortable with.
Yes, but why do people segregate. We know from social science research that whits separate from blacks due to their prejudices against blacks.
Then why do the blacks sit with the blacks then? Females with females? Males with males? Could it be that they're choosing to associate with those they have more in common? I occasionally attend an arts and crafts show, or animal shows (cat, dog, horse) I *rarely* see blacks at these events, no more than a handful at most among hundreds. I'm fairly sure they're not being turned away at the gate because of a "no blacks allowed" policy. Or hiking on the trails or bicycling or skiing. Or even Science Fiction conventions for that matter. You can't say these are affluent people's pursuits. A good pair of hiking boots isn't going to cost more than a pair of any other athletic shoes. These are the kinds of people I gravitate towards because we have common interests and I can actually talk to them other than being at a loss after "Hello, how are you?"
Go back to your cell, CNN forbid truth telling, America is heaven theres no racsim here.
That's true, which why see that most progress in racial matters is generational in scope. People who grow up around people of other races and have positive experiences are generally more comfortable around them. People who have limited contact are likely to judge based on stereotypes because they have no personal experiences with which to evaluate the reliability of those stereotypes. This means that segregation, absent efforts to change it, is self-perpetuating.
This makes me feel really self conscious about always sitting away from everyone else...
White horses do not segregate themselves from black horses. White dogs do not segregate themself from black dogs. Lets stay with color and not confuse color and species. Don't mix apples and oranges.
Time is another factor. Change is a long road. Social change is perhaps the longest. It takes generations and often time so old ideas die with those who carried them and grow foggy and disappear for those the next generation to come. Even when this happens, there is the socioeconomic lag and that takes time too. Slavery, for all groups that have gone through it around the world- not just blacks and not just here in America confounds the process even more. Change is never fast enough nor deep enopugh for thos living through the period of frustration and denial. Then when one looks back at anci3ent history it seems hundreds of years just fly by. This period, too, will someday seem like change was fast but we all know it is excriciatingly long for us as we spend our entire lives trying to bring it on. It is happening though. Change is happening and for this we can at least know we are heading in the right direction.
Tell it to the republicans.
This article does a great job at pointing out segregation among classes and races. However, for African Americans, that is, there is a huge generation gap that prevents us from making the correct adjustments (i.e. career planning, family planning, and investment planning) that will fix the many problems of housing segregation. We help make housing segregation possible by letting the ghost of our past determine our future. Racism will always be hidden, in my opinion we could either accept it and act accordingly, or correct the problem as we know it, together. The government's programming and policy may change to accommodate the AA community, but it becomes a matter of fiscal responsibility on our part to bring us one step closer to home ownership. The article points out the we prefer living amongst each other and I feel there is nothing wrong with that as long as we are afforded the same opportunity and treatment as the rest of society.
Very interesting article. I was thinking this morning about the term “white flight” and what does it mean in 2012; especially with about 50% of Americans closer to lower class than middle. Meaning, with the current state of the economy (i.e. job market, freeze in credit, and lower evaluation of home equity) I would argue that racism is going to start rearing its ugly head. From my standpoint, what was thought of as “middle class” about 30 years ago was really “white working class” people. With the shift from manufacturing to a knowledge based economy more and more “middle skilled” jobs are gone and will never come back. SO, a lot of white people today are not going to have the ability to take flight; which is causing some animus (i.e. I want my country back). Keep up the good work. I am a fan.
Tell that to somebody who lives in Atlanta. Subdivisions are racially diverse. Schools are racially diverse. The fact that the author says that blacks want to live near blacks is reverse discrimination, isn't it? I get the sense from the article, written by a black woman, when a black person says they want to live around other blacks that that is different from a white saying "I want to live around whites", or am I missing something? I don't deny there is discrimination but it is done by alll races. Articles like this only add fuel to the fire.
Judy, where do you get your information? Data from the 2010 U.S. Census shows that Atlanta is one of the top 50 most segregated metropolitan areas in the United States. It is important to note that when whites no long want to live near blacks, they not only move, but use their connections with banks, the government, law enforcement etc. to keep blacks out and prevent blacks from moving in.
What connectons with banks? What connections with government? Do you know it is against the law for realtors to steer prospective clients away from where they want to buy a house, whether it be a black, white, blue, pink or red neighborhood.....against the law. Has it been done in the past....sure it has.....but that is why they are tough on agents who don't want to risk their licenses, get fines or face any other penalties imposed upon them..
Judy, I agree with you. I live in Atlanta and both my parent's middle-class subdivision as well as my in-town condo complex is very racially diverse, and appears to be increasing in racial diversity. Perhaps the welthiest gated-style neighborhoods still attempt to exclude racial minorities, I do not see this happening in middle-class areas. We have noted that many of the forclosed or distressed properties in the middle-class subdivisions are being purchased by minorities and I believe that the current economic environment is condusive to creating racially diverse communities.
To believe that racial steering doesnt exist is naive. Research continues to show that blacks are still steered into certain communities and, as the housing crisis showed, pay more for the same type of houses than their white counterparts (with similar credit ratings).
Although I applaud and believe what's going on in your Atlanta suburb, that suburb is not representative of the city or the United States. That is, while my comments should not minimize what's going on in your neighborhood, the statistics cited in a previous post should put your neighborhood in a broader context of this racialized society.
Mr. Spaulding, you feign trying to combat discrimination while spouting racial stereotypes youself, such as: "It is important to note that when whites no long want to live near blacks, they not only move, but use their connections with banks, the government, law enforcement etc. to keep blacks out and prevent blacks from moving in." I have noticed that you repeatedly challenge others to cite sources, so I will now ask you to cite the source for your racist rant.
Judy, I don't think it's discrimination to want to live where you're most comfortable, but is is a form of racial preference. It only become discrimination when the desire to live among people of a certain ethnicity becomes of policy of trying to exclude others.My family is black and white and we currently live in a predominantly white neighborhood. Before this, we lived in a prosperous majority black area. We moved for many reasons – more land, to be closer to an ill family member, etc. , but I'll confess that I tended to feel more comfortable seeing more black folk around. Part of that is probably just how I grew up. That's not to say that I don't enjoy living where we live now, but I would prefer a more diverse area.
you can put it however you want, the fact of the matter is that, it is called "white flight", whites run away a soon as blacks moves in an they try to block black from entering their neighborhood because they think we are all criminals.
I live on campcreek, in Atlanta GA and yes it is very segregated by whites, not the over way around.
as it should be !! black neighborhoods, 75% without fathers, are always more violent and the most raciest people on the planet are blacks go back to africa
Oh my....here's the "any mention of race is racist, but my admonishment that 'CNN white employees move in getto' is not racist'" poster again. Yay.
Oh NO! Polictical correctness face reality again! I wonder why don't all the CNN white employees move in getto they are so racist!
Politically correct, would be to act as if racism and discrimination of blacks was over.
It has been over, Blacks use it as a get out of jail, out of work, out of trouble card, give me give me give me- we want a free home,Reperations for being slaves, balck farmers in 80's total of 4 sued Agg dept for discrimination, in 10 years it was up to 49,000 black farmers- funny at the time of orginal law suites there were only 39,000 black farmers in USA bla bla bla
Blacks are more racists then whites falling all over themselvs to prove they are NOT & Racial divide has been going on when we realized Intergration in USA is not going to work- many groups have SELF Segregated – go with MY PEOPLE
Nope it would be the opposite.
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