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What's next in Arizona immigration battle?
A protester holds a placard during a protest against Arizona Senate Bill 1070 on April 25, 2012 outside of the US Supreme Court.
September 7th, 2012
08:15 AM ET

What's next in Arizona immigration battle?

By Michael Martinez and Mariano Castillo, CNN

(CNN) - A legal chapter closes now that a federal judge has lifted an injunction on Arizona's "show me your papers" provision of its tough immigration law, but the legal combat won't end and will merely take a new direction, analysts and attorneys say.

At the same time, implementation of the law will heighten a wary relationship between police who must enforce the law and Latinos who allege it will inevitably cause racial profiling. The court's demand for evidence of such profiling is prompting Latino advocates to police the police and monitor arrest practices.

The controversial provision authorizes local police, while performing other state law enforcement duties, to check on the immigration status of people they stop for another reason. The federal judge in Arizona this week based her decision on a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling upholding the provision, she said.

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  1. Filippo magistro

    If people knew are unfair and antiquated the immigration laws are in this country they would realize why many people cross the border or enter the USA illegally. There is discrimination in our immigration laws. We need to revamp the entire immigration laws and systm

    September 17, 2012 at 2:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Linda Hardy

      Sorry, but it doesn't matter why people sneak across the border............they know they are illegal! There is nothing about unfairness involved in this. The USA has laws that must be obeyed – and when you sneak into the country, you are offending those immigrants who are following the appropriate path and waiting to become legal. We cannot feel sorry for those of you who do this.....especially, since my (and many other peoples') ancestors did their paperwork and followed the legal path to enter the US.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:30 am | Report abuse |
      • Easterner

        The immigration policy needs to be revamped and the process needs to be done quicker. The current system is broken and messy, many legal ones ended up falling into cracks. My husband has PhD, I hold master – both in science – our lawyer hired by the company messed up badly, I ended up being 'illegal' and barred from the country for 3 years, leaving my family. Took me almost 10 years to get my legal paperwork so that I could start working and be a productive citizen. I have been on the other fence – and the community rallied behind us. We have the money, the education and the political and community support and yet ended up into legal battle with millions others – I can see so many others falling into the crack because of the current messy system. Revamp the laws, make it simpler and quicker.....

        September 17, 2012 at 9:26 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Laws that are unfair and make no sense will never be obeyed; never have been..and finally they will repealed or reformed. It is a matter of when, not if. Breaking such laws is needed to bring awareness to them and rally people of goodwill behind a good cause

        September 17, 2012 at 9:38 am | Report abuse |
  2. ILLEGAL IS CRIMINAL - PLAIN & SIMPLE

    Illegal means CRIMINAL – Man, Woman, Boy, or Girl – no matter what age....they should be loaded on cattle trucks and shipped back to the middle of the Mexican Desert. No pity – they are CRIMINALS!

    September 16, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Owl96

      They may be illegally, but a two year old child is not a criminal.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:44 am | Report abuse |
    • JJ

      So narrow-minded...

      September 17, 2012 at 9:08 am | Report abuse |
    • ALE

      Immigration, FYI is a civil matter, not criminal.
      A 30 year old present in The USA since infancy is an American just like any of us. I could not care less about paperwork.
      More so, he has already been unfairly punished for that which he is not to blame

      September 17, 2012 at 9:44 am | Report abuse |
  3. ALE

    The Arizona law cannot be implemented or enforced without racial profiling. It is impossible. There is no link between going through a red light or robbing a liquor store and immigration status. None whatsoever. The only way to do it is by looks, race, accent, dress, etc. And THAT IS RACIAL PROFILING, no matter how you dress it up.

    September 14, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • bill

      ALE, when 90% of a group of lawbreakers are of one particular minority, from one nearby country, that isn't profiling. It's betting on a sure thing. I only CA had the balls to call a spade a spade and stop coddling and making excuses for the millions of lawbreakers flooding this state. By the way, you should talk to a few legal immigrants from that particular country. You will find that the legal immigrants are as much against any sort of amnesty or special treatment for the illegals as anyone.

      September 14, 2012 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        No..that is 1000% profiling, racial profiling. It 's the definition of it and you are bolstering my point because those who wrote, passed and still today advocate for that law insist THAT(what you describe) would not happen.

        September 15, 2012 at 6:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      Until America says enough is enough the illegal entry into the USA will continue. If you think Romney will be better than Obama think again. Remember Bush did absolutely nothing as all prior presidents have done. Regan tried to do something but presidents after did not enforce the laws he put into place. NO JOBS available would stop it in a heart beat. Putting the culprit that hires them into prison will even do more. Rent to them and you become a criminal yourself. Stop the FREE health care and make anchor babies the same nationality as the mother. I will vote for that how about you? Or better yet shoot a few as they cross the border into our country.

      September 15, 2012 at 8:48 am | Report abuse |
    • JAKE THE SNAKE

      bull no matter who you are if the police are questioning you, you should have to prove who you are always

      September 15, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      I would go further. Every US citizen (both parents must be natural born citizens) would be required to have a Federal ID card. This card would be required in order to make any and all purchases, apply for a job, rent a residence, receive any state or federal license, and basically live here in the US. Anyone here illegally (regardless of origin) would have to leave of their on volition. We are drowning in illegals who don't pay taxes, abuse public services, and commit crimes then return home to avoid prosecution. If you love illegals so much, then move to their country and see how that works for you!

      September 15, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        The Card itself is not a bad idea. The reasons you present to advocate for it are a bunch of fat lies. Immigration both legal and illegal is at the lowest it has ever been. Illegals pay taxes just like everyone else in the USA who makes enough for it. 49% of US citizens pay no income taxes and that percentage among illegals is only a fraction higher.
        They also use services at the same rates than Us citizens with the lowest incomes and are convicted of crimes at the same rates.
        In essence, you don't know what you are talking about

        September 15, 2012 at 8:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • ALE

      First of all, immigration is a civil matter, not criminal. Second, if a blond robs a bank, then you know who did it, there is no discussion. Third, a person who "just crossed the border"can look like like anything plus you still have to prove they did it illegally.If you conclude they did so based on how they look, that is racial profiling and everything is wrong with it. There are millions of White Canadians, Europeans and Southamericans who have overstayed their visas for decades and it would not cross your mind to question their immigration status. Or it would but you would not dare because they are white.

      September 15, 2012 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • ALE

      "If you look like you just came across the border then you are a suspected criminal and should be checked out. Not because you look like a Mexican but because you are a criminal."

      You use terms loosely without having any idea of their specific meaning, contradict yourself within the same paragraph and you obviously have no idea of what your own system of laws works and looks like.
      You probably have not read the article either

      September 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      ah, it's simply a matter of if the person is here legally or illegally. if it's the later then there is a complete system in place that allows for American's to be victimized. and then there is the question of why would somebody want to victimize Americans' why?

      September 15, 2012 at 10:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill

      No one needs to profile based on race. It'll be much easier to profile based on the person's ability to speak english, which is probably a much more accurate indicator.

      September 16, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        That would be racial profiling as well. Plenty of Us citizens, greencard or temporary visa holders that speak no English whatsoever. And guess what..plenty of illega lentriers and visa overstayers who speak English perfectly..not even an accent

        September 17, 2012 at 9:49 am | Report abuse |
  4. TacoMan

    This is hilarious!....you all can rant and rave about how you all hate illegals, but the fact of the matter is they are here, and they are here to stay. You don't have to accept it, but its the hard reality, so get use to it!

    September 14, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • pogojo

      When we get a real president things will change, at least we now have a list to go with when the deportations start.

      September 14, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Sure..like the ten presidents before...none of them was a "real" president, right?
        What nonsense!..The president does not matter...The only solution is a system of immigration laws that make sense, which we have not had for half a century and this Arizona law is a step in the wrong direction.

        September 14, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • LL

        Obama has deported more than Bush and Clinton. Try again.

        September 14, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jake

        pogojo I do know what I am talking about – IF a new born little citizen has no home, no food, no way to help himself. What do you think he/she can do? Mommie and Daddy go to the nearest welfare office wtih their little new American and give their sad story. The office is NOT allowed to ask if they are here illegally. The new born has a SS# assigned by the hospital where it was born. Then the free thing begin to be generated. That is the reason that so many pregnant women are coming across the border into those border states to deliver. One hospital in Texas had to close it's doors because the free births and caring for the new born's was a financial strain that it could not take. I hope to see in the future a law that makes that baby the same nationality as the mother. Problem solved or as said earlier just shoot them as soon as they cross. They are criminals. It would only take about two or so shootings. Problem solved!!.

        September 16, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Supernaut..You need to read slowly and analyze further what you read. I am no happier than you are about illegal immigration and I am a native Californian. My point is that illegal immigration is the symptom, not the disease.
        We need to cure the disease by building a new system from scratch, not keep enforcing what it does not work

        September 17, 2012 at 9:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      a reality check: NumbersUSA is backing lawsuit against Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton. And just like AZ had the law of the USA finally upheld this too will pass and illegals will simply be a part of American history

      September 14, 2012 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • ALE

      And it is nothing new...It has been that way for 4 decades

      September 14, 2012 at 10:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • supernaut

        Ale, You have no argument. The detriments of illegal immigration into this country far outweigh the benefits .Come out to So Cal, if you have not visited recently, it is like a third world country. They are a strain on our already burdened school resources here, among other things.

        September 16, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • bill

      If the battle against criminals of all sorts makes you laugh, hooray. If it bothers you, good. I do hope you won't mind if we keep on trying, and do our very best to make staying where you don't belong as unpleasant as possible. But keep looking over your shoulders, for one day la migra will be there, and you'll get a free trip south.

      September 15, 2012 at 12:32 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        If you think that 30 year olds who have been here since infancy don't belong here, you are a disturbed hatemonger

        September 15, 2012 at 7:21 am | Report abuse |
      • Reply to ALE

        If they are not American Citizens, then they don't belong here, no matter how long they have been here ILLEGALLY.

        September 17, 2012 at 7:58 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        You would have a point if they were to blame for their illegal presence, but they are not and so your point is moot.
        Illegal presence from a paperwork standpoint maybe...from a common sense, logical, rational standpoint they are just as American as any of us are

        September 17, 2012 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      Taco Man I sure hope we don't have to accept it. I am looking forward to the day that the leaders of this great nation put a stop to illegals flowing across our border. I will never accept it. I love America. My ancestors have fought and died for her and if the citizens don't work together to stop it as you say accept it. I believe that 99 % of Americans are against these people coming here and taking away services that should be for citizens only. It is not fair to those who came here only after an invitation. You would think that after 9/11 tragedy the borders would be sealed but didn't happen. What will it take?

      September 15, 2012 at 8:54 am | Report abuse |
      • Holly

        a lawsuit backed by NumbersUSA. that's all.

        September 15, 2012 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jake

      Strange I did not read anything that said anyone "Hated" Illegals. We resent them coming into our nation without proper paperwork. That means we want to know who they are, are they a threat to America, are they bringing in diseases already eradicated in the USA?? We need to keep track on them and if it is time for them to exit the states – then they should return to their home land.

      September 15, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Jake.....The one who "generates"access to all those services is the baby born here, thus a US citizen like any US citizen. His/her illegal parents are sill not eligible. You deny this purely on emotions because on your mind and heart, the entire family is illegal and criminal, right?..Well...the 14th ammendment is not on your side and those US born babies have the same rights you have and for the same reason: They were born here. Much to your chagrin , the race , nationality, and immigration status of their parents is irrelevant.

        September 15, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bill

        I neither hate nor resent illegal immigrants. I really don't even have a problem with them being here. But we have become a society that requires a parent to get a background check to participate in the local little league, while millions of people run around the country and we don't even know who they are, let alone what they may have done in their home country. I question the sanity of a society that accepts such regulation of it's legal citizens while turning a blind eye to the millions of non-citizens who also may live here.

        September 16, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        That is an excellent point, Bill. And it bolsters mine. Repeal the present system and build a new one from scratch. One that works

        September 17, 2012 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
  5. rev101

    Poor Romney
    He was born this way
    He was born this way
    he's on the wrong road baby
    He was born this way

    September 14, 2012 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
  6. o3man

    I am Latino, but people must obey laws, otherwise social order breaks down. Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to millions of Mexicans. Result was even more illegals coming in. This did depress workers wages. Also, many illegals are wanted men. They flee their countries for a reason.

    September 13, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • ALE

      Laws that make no sense, are unfair, and are impossible to implement will never be obeyed. Never have been

      September 14, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • LL

        Why are immigration laws unfair?

        September 14, 2012 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      Agreed and our American companies Hire them. But they will not hire a USA citizen IF he has a mark on his criminal record. And they have no way of checking out the illegal. Check out the want adds. No person who has a past criminal record even as a youth should apply. But Jose you speak a little English so you get the job at minimun wage. But just go to the Health and Human Resources tell them you need a Section 8 housing voucher, oh yes food stamps and free medical. He ends up making at least $25 if you add in the free bees. While the American lives on the street.

      September 15, 2012 at 9:00 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Nonsense!!...Illegals are not eligible for none of that!..You don 't know what you are talking about.. You were lied or you are lying yourself

        September 15, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jake

        ALE you are so wrong my friend. They ARE elgible for services. I know I work in one of the offices that processes applications. If they have a baby born in the USA that baby generates the access to all services including, food stamps, SSI, section 8 housing of course free medical. All they have to do is go into an ER and they are NOT allowed to ask for a green card. They must treat them and give them a voucher for their medication. If you are American you also will be treated but you will be billed for it if you do not have insurance and others that do have insurance pay a higher rate to cover the expenses. Send them BACK NOW

        September 15, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
  7. tez07

    get used for political expediency, then ignored after the election

    September 13, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
  8. JustMe

    Such a sad argument this is. If we all had good hearts we would take care of our neighbors and vice versa. Yes, illegal immigrants fill jobs, but they also fill our belly's in the kitchen. If people are so upset with illegals taking jobs here in the U.S. I bet the same people are outraged that our government allows our companies to send jobs overseas to a perfectly legal citizen in India. This just makes no sense when you think about it. If you are so hard up about this misdemeanor of crossing into the land of the free and not East Berlin then slap their writs with a fine and be done with it.

    September 12, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      that's silly and sad since illegals currently scam billions from Americans. a reality check: NumbersUSA is backing lawsuit against Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton. And just like AZ had the law of the USA finally upheld this too will pass and illegals will simply be a part of American history

      September 14, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      If you cross the North Korean Border illegally you get 12 years. If you cross the Iranian Border illegally you are detained indefinitely. If you cross the Afgan Border illegally, you get shot. If you cross the Saudi Arabian Border illegally you will be jailed. If you cross the Chinese Border illegally you will probably never be heard from again. If you cross the Venezuelan Border illegally you are branded a spy and your fate will be sealed. If you cross the Cuban Border illegally you will be thrown into political prison forever. But come to the USA illegally and you get lots of good stuff. What a country!

      September 15, 2012 at 9:17 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Great point...We should struggle to be like those countries..!!!... They are a great role model for us!!

        September 17, 2012 at 10:04 am | Report abuse |
  9. more2bits

    What's next is Obama will open the flood gates by granting amnesty and enraging Americans. Basically, he already has done this by trying to shoot down AZ laws created to stem the tide of illegals flooding across the AZ borders. Obama is the worst thing to ever happen to this country–he is bankrupting us, shooting us in the foot–destroying the fabric of this country.

    September 12, 2012 at 5:38 am | Report abuse |
    • karek40

      You broke the code

      September 12, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      Remember we were bankrupted before Obama was elected. You know Cheney and Bush who had a surplus but had to start not one war but two so Halliburtion could rape us. Give me a break folks – you want to forget what he did to the nation but a few of us, even though we are not Democrats, will not let you forget. Right folks!!

      September 15, 2012 at 9:03 am | Report abuse |
      • Holly

        Helen, thank you for some facts that are common sense.

        September 15, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Report abuse |
  10. NPhxAz

    Well well well, it appears that our citizenry has been maligned and publicly lambasted by the likes of this ragassed offering of a "news" outlet... all for a buttload of nothing. Arpio is flipping boogers at the feds and obuma is still a thugpack's monkey with a cup on top of the organ grinder. Funny how this illegal alien crusade has now left many of us with a crystal clear vision of just what America does not stand for.

    September 11, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Person

      Excuse me but...what??

      September 12, 2012 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      H U H ??

      September 15, 2012 at 9:05 am | Report abuse |
  11. alexander

    Deporting citizens because they have Mexican parents in an immigration court system that is failing makes no sense. Read the Show Trials book and you will see the reality.

    September 11, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      So then you believe in rewarding chiildren of Illegls because their parents are criminals? They will now go through life believing it is OK to break the laws if you can get away with it. And they will not feel quilty about taking away jobs that Americans should have.

      September 15, 2012 at 9:07 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        It would not be rewarding at all. Just doing what is fair, common sense, rational and logical.
        And the parents are not criminals. Immigration is a civil matter, not criminal
        Ïn the 90's, immigration(both legal and illegal) was much higher than it is now, unemployment was below 4% and yet your posturing on immigration was the same as it is now. This has nothing to do with jobs but with your contempt for people who are different than you are, on the basis of race and nationality.

        September 15, 2012 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jake

        Ale People like you are what is wrong with America. We have laws in this nation and if you break them, coming into America without proper paperwork, you are indeed a crinimal and due to be arrested. The major problem with not arresting someone without papers it that the people who hire them, usually in the political arena fight so against it, that we have a nation full of people who we have no idea who they are or what they have in mind as far a terrorism to this nation. We have in place a process by which one can enter legally. It takes a little time but it is unfair to those who waited and came here legally. I would venture a quess that you are not here legally or you hire the illegals. Did I get it right?

        September 16, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • Reply to ALE

        One of the biggest problems in this country today is these people who just scream RACIST everytime that we fail to GIVE a minority something that a white person is expected to EARN. People like ALE.

        When a person sneaks into our country, violating our laws (fair or not) how can this person later be trusted to follow other laws that may exist in our country ??

        By accepting illegal immigrants as residents of our country, we are condemning them to a life of being a second class citizen. The only way for them to be treated equally with citizens, is for them to EARN their citizenship, and become American citizens. The real racists here are people like ALE, those who think illegal immigrants should be GIVEN something, because that only condemns them to a lifetime of being second class citizens.

        September 17, 2012 at 7:45 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        No Jake..you are absolutelly wrong about me and everything else. Immigration is a civil matter, not criminal. Period
        The "legal process"is only for about .0001% of applicants, regardless of wait time. There is no such thing for the rest.
        I am against illegal immigration just like everyone else. Further, I do not know anyone who is for it.
        The difference lies in what I think the cause of it is and what the possible solutions are.

        September 17, 2012 at 10:12 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        And I said that they should be given ...what?....And when did I say that?
        No..the problem with ANY country is people who rant about what they don't know and comment and criticize what they don't comprehend

        September 17, 2012 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
  12. WVLady63

    THESE PEOPLE ARE ILLEGAL!!!! DOESN'T ANYONE GET IT????? YOU ARE IN OUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, YOU ARE CHEATING AMERICANS OUT OF JOBS, YOU ARE BANKRUPTING OUR COUNTRY BY GETTING FOOD STAMPS, SECTION 8 HOUSING AND FREE MEDICAL HELP!!!! GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM WE ARE TIRED OF SUPPORTING YOU!!!!

    September 11, 2012 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      me too. NumbersUSA is backing lawsuit against Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton. And just like AZ had the law of the USA finally upheld this too will pass and illegals will simply be a part of American history

      September 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • ALE

      You are not supporting anybody

      September 15, 2012 at 6:37 am | Report abuse |
  13. doughnuts

    Fences aren't that effective. Random mine-fields would be better. Put them 10 feet inside the border with warning signs every 50 feet.

    September 11, 2012 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
  14. Helen

    I know what I hope is next. Stop allowing babies born to Mexicans to become USA citizens. Stop giving them benefits after they have that little citizen. They do not belong in America unless they have been invited. Thinking of this nation as a home – how would you like it if some one came and stayed in your home without an invitation. You have to feed them, pay for their health care and house them. How would you like it?

    September 11, 2012 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      and actually there is HOPE. NumbersUSA is backing lawsuit against Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton. And just like AZ had the law of the USA finally upheld this too will pass and illegals will simply be a part of American history

      September 14, 2012 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Mad Max

    Illegals don't necesaarily work in the fields, they take our construction jobs, waitress, hotel jobs...they are making minimum wages and some higher...if we need field pickers, there are plenty of prisons or jails, where we can get chain gangs to volunteer to work these fields. The owner pay the prisoners what they state pays them, less that $1.00 a day, if they work in the field they can get some of their sentences off, not talking about harden criminals. This would be a win/win situation. The farmers get their fields picked at low cost, the state gets paid by the farmer, the state doesn't have to pay prisoners...so what is the problem?

    September 11, 2012 at 9:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      They may be making min. wage but just add up all the free things they get from the tax payer and I would say they are making about $25 an hour if not more.

      September 11, 2012 at 9:42 am | Report abuse |
  16. CW

    What's next? How about following the existing laws of the land and having a shred of respect for the country you are sneaking into.

    September 10, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Merabell

    Wow how low has America fallen to forget how this country was started in the first place HELLO! IMMIGRANTS What ever happened to "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN AMERICA if you trace back to where you came from everyone came form a different country end of story! the only ones who have a right are the native Americans to send the rest of us back .And you must have a messed up job if "illegals" are stealing your job all i say is Good luck Arizona trying to find workers who will work in the fields for minimum wage.

    September 9, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • debg

      The problem is that was then, and this is now. Do we really need to be overrun by Mexico's illiterate masses? Or their families when they're granted amnesty? The downfall of America's education policy can be directly traced to the children of illegals, not legal immigrants. By and large we need educated people, not masses of uneducated. Every other western country has a points-based system, awarding immigration to those who a) speak the language; or b) are educated and can quickly assimilate. This country has been "Mexicanized", and not in the good way. This lawlessness is unsustainable.

      September 10, 2012 at 1:19 am | Report abuse |
      • Springsgranny

        When immigrants came to this country years ago (in the 20's 30's & 40's), they came to find a better life BUT they worked like hell to deserve it. They didn't take hand outs. They were proud people who were determined to learn the language and support their families and become Americans! Today, they come to take advantage of the system and they can, because we don't enforce the immigration laws. Big difference!!! Become legal, learn the language, and work to support your families and I will be happy to have you in this country!

        September 11, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • fiftyfive55

      STOP with the bogus"we are all immigrants"rant,and also the "native American rant" also.People beyond the first or second generations are "NOT"immigrants,they are Americans.150 years ago the indians became a conquered people,end of story except that back then it was the way of the world and mankind to expand and develop,we cannot continue to apply todays logic and thinking to what people were doing that long ago.

      September 10, 2012 at 6:57 am | Report abuse |
    • woodie

      We have never had an open border. The immigration service has existed for hundreds of years. All you have to do is apply for citizenship. We control how many come over the border. We always have and we always will.

      September 10, 2012 at 8:34 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        You do not know what you are talking about. You cannot apply for citizenship unless you have been a permanent legal resident for 3-5 years. And to become a legal permanent resident there must be a legal avenue that applies to you. For 99.9999% of would be applicants, there is no such avenue. That is why they are illegals in the first place!

        September 14, 2012 at 10:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Reply to ALE

        You are correct that you must be a legal resident in order to apply for citizenship. But there is a program in existence today, that would allow a non-citizen to enter the country legally, under a H-2A Temporary Agricultural Workers classification (for example) and yes, Mexico is a country that's on the approved list for this program. There are many other comparable programs that exist for different occupational skills.

        Of course, to qualify for such a program you can't have a criminal record, and you must have some employable skill. But considering how badly some American industries need workers, I don't imagine that many qualified applicants would be rejected.

        Illegal immigrants come to this country because they were unable to build a life for themselves in their home country. If they were unable – or unwilling – to do it in their country, they're not going to do it here, either. THAT's why their illegal immigrants. Our government has a policy, and it sounds like a fair one. All they have to do is follow it, and that's too much trouble for them. They'd rather rely on some whiny crybaby like you to call us racists because we don't GIVE them what they won't EARN.

        September 17, 2012 at 8:33 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        That program stands alone, is expensive, time consuming, awkward and does not establish residence, only temporary work permit. Does not pay enough to make it worh for workers to go back and reapply all over again. Last but not least, it does nothing for people with other skills and experience other than agricultural work.
        The system does not work. we need one that does, if you are serious about ending illegal immigration

        September 17, 2012 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      Nowhere on lady liberty does it say "Bring us your sneaks who want to take advantage of our open system. ...earn money and send it back across the border ithout paying any income tax on it"

      If the application for citizenship/or guest worker is too difficult...FIX IT,....but no matter how you want to repaint it....
      These people are NOT immigrants!
      They are ILLEGAL ALIENS, who are not attempting to do things the right way, to become a citizen.

      The should all be arrested and deported asap.

      September 10, 2012 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
      • Cyprustree

        Well said, Jim! Agree with you wholeheartedly.

        September 10, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • alice

        Jim You are so right! I have worked with illegals and they don't obey any laws. They send all there money back home. They have taken jobs, homes, schooling away from Americans.. They just come here and sign up for anything they can for free food, clothing, low income housing free schooling free day care and there ILLEGALS. Wish they would go home. They have filled our jails and brought gangs and crime to the streets.

        September 15, 2012 at 12:22 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Illegals pay Income taxes just as anybody else who makes enough. 49% of Americans do not pay income taxes. Among illegals such percentage is a bit higher because they generally make less than the average American.
        Your quarrel is with taxation and poverty, not with illegal immigration, except that if they were legal they would make more and pay more in income taxes

        September 15, 2012 at 6:46 am | Report abuse |
      • Helen

        Jim Excellent I could not have said it better. People who condone illegal entry are usually illegals themselves or they have a business that hires them for pennies. It is almost too late to do anything about it. Regan tried – gave all amnesty that were here already then it was suppose to stop at the border. It did not because our Federal Government refuse to enforce our laws. 99% of the American Citizens was it to stop and want those already here illegally sent back but it will never happen in my life time. Wish it would so I could at least vote for them. I love my America and I want to keep her safe but who is here without our knowledge and what do they have planned for America?

        September 16, 2012 at 12:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bill

        Well said, Jim! You are 100% correct.

        Ale, do you notice that you are the only person who didn't agree with Jim?

        September 17, 2012 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Yes, Bill..I noticed...That is what happens when a crowd of resentful hatemongers led by emotions are uncapable of analyzing the facts brought up by a loner who is far ahead of them in her command of the issue

        September 17, 2012 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
    • kls817

      Stop with the "indians are the real Americans" nonsense. Which Indians, anyway? The powerfuls tribes brually oppressed the weaker ones and took their land. There was no stability among the Indians. How would you like to have been in a small neighboring tribe of the Aztec, where the Aztecs would often come into your tribe and demand 20 men to sacrifice to their war god? Or how about the small tribes neighboring the Sioux, who were forced to ally themselves with the white man to prevent the Sioux from attacking?

      September 10, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      Major difference here. Did your ancestors come through Ellis Island and enter this nation legally? Mine did. They were charted, told to learn and use English, Checked for DISEASE and only then allowed to make this great nation their home. To sneak in across the border just because you can is a criminal act. No other way to put it. I am legal because my parents came into the USA Legally. Where do you think all the diseases are coming from that we had already eradicated in this nation? BED BUGS ??

      September 11, 2012 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
    • doughnuts

      "Native Americans"? Do you mean the "Ancient Asian Immigrants"?

      September 11, 2012 at 10:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      that's funny because the facts do not support the truth which is now clearly stated in the lawsuit. NumbersUSA is backing lawsuit against Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton. And just like AZ had the law of the USA finally upheld this too will pass and illegals will simply be a part of American history

      September 14, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jake

      My ancestors came through ELLIS ISLAND and were charted, checked for disease and told to learn English and use it. They had to check in evey so often letting the immigiration board know where they were located. They came here legally they did not sneak in like the many criminals here who would not do it the proper way. We must stop this and now. You go AZ and I hope that soon all the states will send these leaches packing.

      September 15, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
  18. TiredOf Illegals

    Goooo Arizona! All the rest of the states need to follow suit and drive these illegal parasites and their anchor babies out of here! Come to the USA legally and through the proper channels or stay the hell home! Illegal means illegal! What is so hard to understand about this???

    September 9, 2012 at 10:20 am | Report abuse |
  19. Jared

    I applaud Arizona and the other handful of states that are taking a stand to battle the illegal invaders who are destroying our nation and turning us into a 3rd world 2-class society right before our eyes, while our federal government does nothing but encourage more wrongdoing.

    September 8, 2012 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      Politicians who are paid for by big corporate send their kids to private school. It is our children exposed to the crime and now the new very serious problem of brain parasites brought in by illegals. look it up. it's real, spreading and right now a silent epidemic in CA. the major media won't touch it. become aware if the restaurants you frequent hire illegals – if they do you are very likely to have been exposed to these brain parasites. it's time for every American to get behind NumbersUSA who is financing the lawsuit against DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano and ICE Director John Morton

      September 8, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Kevin

    Well, I would hope that all the states were as proactive in the fight against ILLEGAL immigration and get rid of these job stealing people, who have better cars and trucks then most poor people in the country.

    September 8, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      a silent epedimic was just exposed in CA and the national media won't touch it – BRAIN PARASITES – brought in by illegals – infection our children who are forced to attend school with illegals. be very very careful where you eat. find out if there are illegals there – this is serious – look it up and then get behind the lawsuit backed by NumbersUSA against DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano and ICE Director John Morton

      September 8, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • southernsugar

        LOL I've never heard of 'brain parasites', but I agree with you. The leech illegals need to leave.

        September 9, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Pamela

    All them Mexicans will leave Arizona now. Good luck finding Americans who want to work on the orange fields. White people in Arizona will be working on the grape fields for $2/hr, they will be working in the chicken and fish factories for minimum wage and if those companies can't find cheap labors, they will move out of Arizona. At least 20% of Arizona's population is Latino and with them leaving, it will hurt their economy really bad. lt's a lose... lose situation for Arizona and Texas is next.
    Sincerely, @Pamela; read more

    September 8, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • magyart

      Legal Hispanics will NOT be leaving AZ. Hopefully, ILLEGAL mkigrants will leave. They can all be replaced with LEGAL migrants.

      September 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • JLO

        Yes, they will leave Arizona – and move to another state. They have it too good in the states and will not leave willingly. Until the government enforces the laws, we will always have the problem.

        September 10, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • magyart

        It's my sincere hope they move to Calif., which is now a colony of Mexico. Soon the financial burden of ILLEGAL immigration will bankrupt the state. A few cities have already declared bankruptcy and the clock is ticking for the state.

        September 11, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Then you will soon find another reason to blame them for all world evils, just like you did before with Germans, Irish, Jews, Polish, and Italians. Immigration status is a silly cover, a lame excuse. The real reasons are always xenophobia, scapegoating and hatemongerism

        September 15, 2012 at 6:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      Pam, you will find that AZ wages will go up not down, you find many businesses who have left CA now opening AZ. You may not remember the time when America was not invaded by illegals, but I do. Things will get better and better and better. Just exposed – a silent epidemic overtaking CA – BRAIN PARASITES – brought in by illegals. This is a very SERIOUS PROBLEM. look up and then get behind the lawsuit backed by NumbersUSA against DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano and ICE Director John Morton

      September 8, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alan

      It's a win win for Americans.

      September 9, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cyprustree

      First, it's all "those", not "them" Mexicans. Can't wait to see that happen. Go, get the f out of our country. We do not need these people here. Those who come here legally will get the work and the criminals can crawl back to the country they came from. These people cost our county billions of dollars a year, pay no taxes and breed like rabbits. We don't want or need more poor Mexicans here. Our economy can't sustain the continual hand-outs, while these slime send every dime they make back to Mexico. I have a real problem with that, especially when they then turn around and ask for and receive, welfare, food stamps, discounted housing and every other "free" benefit they can get their grimy hands on. They cost this county FAR more than they ... "contribute". I'm curious to know just what percentage of illegal immigrants you think actually work in agriculture?

      September 10, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • NPhxAz

      I am a tradesman and I am calling your hooey the steaming pile that it is.

      September 11, 2012 at 11:24 pm | Report abuse |
  22. TrueAmerican

    I agree with Holly, a big fat law suit backed by True Americans. We need to stand in large numbers and stop Obama from damaging this country further. I am tired of others jlustifying why we should have open borders. I completely disagree with Obama giving young ILLEGALS education opportunities. We have Americans who are LEGAL who need help with education. I am so tired of all this backwards retoric. This is our country that WE BUILT and we have to take it back.

    September 8, 2012 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      Hey lets not throw Obama under the bus. I too agree that he should have never given the children of Illegals amesty BUT lets just review what prior presidents have done to stop the influx of illegal immigrants. NOTHING absolutely nothing. I voted for Florida's Governor Scott because he promised to clean out our state of people here illegally. He tried and the Florida legislature refused to allow it because of the rich man who hires them. We need someone in office who loves America and wants to see her cleared of illegals. Sorry folks it ain't Romney either. Today is 9/11 and our borders are no more closed than they were back then when two illegals training in our flight schools did the dirty deed. NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN.

      September 11, 2012 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Obama did not give Amnesty to anybody. He merely granted a stay of deportation for two years to young adult Americans who grew up and were raised here, who happen to have been born somewhere else and whose parents entered the country illegaly. Those who will benefit from this are blameless, YET THEY HAVE BEEN PUNISHED ENOUGH ALREADY...IT IS ABOUT TIME!

        September 15, 2012 at 7:05 am | Report abuse |
      • magyart

        These young adults are NOT blameless. Upon their 18th birthday, they should return home, apply for a visa and participate in the legal immigration process. Many of them would easily qualify for a student visa to attend college. If poor and uneducated, they would have a difficult time getting a visa. Either way, this is how the system works. To change this is UNFAIR to all those waiting in line. Millions of people are trying ti immigrate legally. What do illegal residents feel they have the "right" to cut in line ?

        September 15, 2012 at 8:24 am | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Maygyart..Returning "home" at 18 after being here since 1? ....You must be kidding !! THE USA is their home, just as much as it is yours or mine!!
        They cannot "participate" in the process of legal immigration because there is no legal avenue for them to do so. Not even a waiver to the reentry ban. If they leave the US they are banned for reentry for 10 years, visa or no visa.
        Student visas(for which they would not qualify anyways due to the reentry ban) are not immigrant visas. It is only temporary and only for school.
        Most importantly...why should they go to school unless they want to? Why should that be a requirement for them when it is not for everybody else?
        If they have been here since infancy, they are Americans,period, regardless of paperwork or school.

        September 15, 2012 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • ALE

        Adult illegals have no choice but to be illegals because there is no "line" for them to wait in. So they cut in. They cannot play by the rules because the rules indicate they are not allowed to play in the first place.
        Still..that is NOT what we are talking about here. We are dealing with people who grew up here in some cases since infancy. They are Americans who were born somewhere else. They did not "cut in". They had no say in the matter.

        September 15, 2012 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
  23. TrueAmerican

    What's next? It is time for the True Americans of this country to TAKE A STAND and tell the government enough is enough. What part of illegal does the government not understand. Does anyone think about the people who came over here legally and learned the ENGLISH language?

    September 8, 2012 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
    • doughnuts

      Deportation rates have tripled under the current administration.

      September 11, 2012 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
      • pogojo

        obama math, always a strech

        September 14, 2012 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Robert wood

    Whats next? Laws will be enforced,no more cheap exploited labor, by businesses looking to profit anyway possible.Unions will be formed,working conditions will improve and collective bargainingwill be implemented!

    September 8, 2012 at 8:53 am | Report abuse |
  25. Debbie

    If you were born outside the US, its not hard to tell. I can tell the difference from white people in the US vs white people in the UK. Americans arent illegal immigrants in America. So you're looking for people who arent American. thus, its a nationality issue. And if someone's race is a clue to their nationality, the "show me your paper" is justified.

    September 7, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Person

      Trouble is, someone's race is NOT a clue to their nationality.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:15 am | Report abuse |
    • ALE

      It would be justified if there were a link between breaking other laws and immigration status, but there is not. The only way to implement this is going for accent, looks, skin color, dress and race. That is racial profiling.

      September 15, 2012 at 7:10 am | Report abuse |
  26. magyart

    Vote AGAINST Obama and every politician that supports ILLEGAL migrants, over LEGAL residents.

    September 7, 2012 at 10:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cyprustree

      You must not realize that Obama has deported more illegals than any president before him?

      September 10, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • magyart

        The President has deported more ILLEGAL migrants than Bush ever thought of. However, the manner in which deportations are counted has been modified. So I think it inflates this administration's number, but he still beats Bush. But this is what should be done. Unfortunately, Obama continues to NOT enforce immigration laws, has sued AZ, Sheriff Joe, and potentionally legalized two million "Dreamers". The country need comprehensive enforcement, not reform.

        September 10, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      Right lets put someone in office who handles illegals like George W. Bush who was friends with the Mexican president and allowed Mexico to bring their buses into America depriving our own citizens the work.

      September 11, 2012 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
      • middle class

        Bush has half Mexican grand children what do you expect.

        September 16, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • ALE

      Illegal immigration crisis is older than Obama is. You choose to forget that because you want to blame Obama for EVERYTHING..the rain in Seattle if you could

      September 15, 2012 at 7:12 am | Report abuse |
      • Helen

        Name something anything that Bush did in his 8 long years to halt the influx of the free loaders. One thing – can't think of one thing can you? Oh yes isn't he the president who made it LEGAL for trucking from Mexico to come into the USA taking the citizens hauling jobs away? Obama had been no better or worse than past presidents.

        September 15, 2012 at 8:42 am | Report abuse |
    • ALE

      Comprehensive enforcement is what we have had for 5 decades. It does not work because the system does not work.
      What we need is indeed reform. Knock the present system down, out and away and build another one..FROM SCRATCH!

      September 15, 2012 at 7:16 am | Report abuse |
  27. Holly

    what's next? a law suit backed by NumbersUSA and millions of Americans against DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano and ICE Director John Morton . that's what's next.

    September 7, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • NPhxAz

      When Nappy was the Governor here, she threatened to sue the feds for damages caused by (then Bush's) illegals. She went to DC and they sued Az on the behalf of THEIR illegals! Go figure. We cannot trust the unscrupulous woman to secure a bucket of rocks on the behalf of legitimate Americans.

      September 11, 2012 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |