By Moni Basu, CNN
(CNN) – Buried on page 45 of the 2010 Defense Appropriations Act, after pages on the maintenance and operation of the U.S. military, is an official apology to Native American people.
Mark Charles, a member of the Navajo Nation, stumbled onto the apology about a year ago after he heard GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney say that he would never apologize for America. That comment didn't sit well with Charles - nobody is perfect, he thought.
He wrote a blog post that cited several situations in which he believed it was prudent for America to say sorry. One of them was to native people.
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A reader responded that such an apology had already been issued. Charles went online and found the 2010 Defense Act.
The United States, acting through Congress ... recognizes that there have been years of official depredations, ill-conceived policies, and the breaking of covenants by the federal government regarding Indian tribes; apologizes on behalf of the people of the United States to all native peoples for the many instances of violence, maltreatment, and neglect inflicted on native peoples by citizens of the United States ...
It went on to urge the president to acknowledge the wrongs.
Charles wondered why he had never heard President Barack Obama publicly issue this apology. And if he had never heard it, then most certainly native people who lived isolated lives on reservations had not either.
He set himself on a path to rectify that.
On the anniversary of the passing of the defense bill - Wednesday, December 19 - he would go to the Capitol and he would read the apology out loud, hoping that others would join him in his cause and that it would attract enough attention so that people would hear about it.
At 11 a.m. Wednesday, Charles plans to read the entire defense bill out loud.
"As a Native American, I feel offended that the apology was buried in this bill," he said. "It demonstrates our country is not ready to apologize.
"Personally, I don't think it's a very good apology," he said. "It does not mention any specific tribe or any specific incident."
It also contains a disclaimer at the end: nothing in the apology could be used in a court of law against the United States.
Charles's mother is of Dutch heritage. His father's mother is Navajo. Born in Reheboth, New Mexico, Charles went to UCLA and lived in Denver. But he'd never called called the reservation home. He realized if he were to continue a dialogue about Native Americans - the people with whom he identified - he would need to experience the way they lived.
A few years ago, he took his wife and son and spent several years at a Navajo reservation sheep camp. It was off a dirt road and isolated.
There were only two kinds of outsiders who visited there - those who came for charitable reasons and those who came to click their cameras.
There was little there in the way of infrastructure, no running water or electricity. Charles lived by candlelight and hauled his water. But that was not the hardest part of living there.
"The hardest part was how incredibly lonely and disconnected you feel from the rest of the country," he said.
That's when Charles began to comprehend why many native people felt marginalized.
"I don't believe it's an accident that our people are marginalized," he said. "Our country is so undereducated in Native American history that most people don't even know why the country is apologizing."
Charles felt angry. He knew he had to channel his pain in a way that invited conversation and reconciliation. He began to reflect on a blog, Wireless Hogan, named after the traditional dwelling of the Navajos.
This is how he explains things to people:
Being Native American and living in the United States feels like our indigenous peoples are an old grandmother who lives in a very large house. It is a beautiful house with plenty of rooms and comfortable furniture. But, years ago, some people came into our house and locked us upstairs in the bedroom. Today, our house is full of people. They are sitting on our furniture. They are eating our food. They are having a party in our house. They have since unlocked the door to our bedroom but it is much later and we are tired, old, weak and sick; so we can't or don't come out. But the part that is the most hurtful and that causes us the most pain, is that virtually no one from this party ever comes upstairs to find us in the bedroom, sits down next to us on the bed, takes our hand, and simply says, "Thank you. Thank you for letting us be in your house."
Charles hopes all of America will hear his message when he reads the apology in Washington.
The Indian Massacre of 1622 took place in the Colony of Virginia, in what now belongs to the United States of America, on Friday, 22 March 1622. Captain John Smith, though he had not been in Virginia since 1609 and was thus not a firsthand eyewitness, related in his History of Virginia that braves of the Powhatan Confederacy "came unarmed into our houses with deer, turkeys, fish, fruits, and other provisions to sell us". Suddenly the Powhatan grabbed any tools or weapons available to them and killed any English settlers who were in sight, including men, women and children of all ages. Chief Opechancanough led a coordinated series of surprise attacks of the Powhatan Confederacy that killed 347 people, a quarter of the English population of Jamestown.
My ancestors, good Virginians, accepted this declaration of war and retaliated. The lesson is, if you start a war, whatever happens to you after that is your own fault. Deal with it.
Hmmm... and smallpox blankets? And selling land that didn't belong to the europeans? No retaliation was needed as settlers forced them from their lands, poisoned them with illnesses, or burned their villages to claim a farmland that never belonged to a european in the first place?
So... if I come to your house, kick you out, and say it belonged to me, holding a weapon, you would feel you should just let that go, eh?
The smallpox blankets is a myth everyone knows that now
@ Jimmy two times – the smallpox blankets were not a myth. There are other accounts of this type biological deception that happened in Australia and other colonized continents after it worked on Native Americans. Everyone knows that.. j/k, information is controlled by those in power but here in the midst of an Information Age we find other perspectives and hidden truths which were not as accessible or shared before
Are you kidding? How about invading foreign soil with armed soldiers? Would that not be considered an act of war? Of course they are going to retaliate. You have your facts backwards, but if it makes you and your ancestors feel better you can believe what you want. The bottom line is that Native Americans fought back because their land was being invaded by foreigners and they were being pushed out. How about we let a bunch of armed Iranians settle in Virginia and kick you out? Will you bring them food and celebrate with them? Or would you kill them?
Wow history according to fools
The US and the Crime of Genocide Against Native Americans
Hahahha......oh wait...you're serious?
I couldnt have said it better myself. Ive been to few reservations myself including Pine Ridge in South Dakota. And I find it disgusting how we did this. We persecuted them because of GREED. No-one would like it if they rounded up everyone in your family, kicked them out of their homes and told you where to go to live. And then sold your homes and keep the money. Sometimes the white man makes me sick with his rationalization for the crimes they did on these people and Im white myself.
If your people insist on being an "independent nation," then it is up to you to find a way to get water, electricity, schools, medical care – that is what a nation does for its people. You want casinos, and can have them because your land is not part of the state in which it sits. Your income is not subject to state taxation. If, however, you wish to be part of the United States, then join with us, come to our schools and colleges, get jobs, pay taxes, and use your civic power to get water, electricity, schools and medicine brought to you. You can't have it both ways.
You forgot that the indian "nations" which are actually more like states, can vote in US elections (:
Electricity, schools and medicare one can live without. Try living without the land to produce your food and water.
I didn't even realize that we had colonist in Connecticut in 1937, I thought it was a state and part of the US by then. The amount of history experts on this website is amazing. I am sure the majority never opened a book on the subject but were just enlightened by the supposed atrocities in the past.
Also I am sure the "biological" warfare comment is from the completely inaccurate rumor that Delaware Indians were given smallpox infested blankets purposely. That is completely false and has been dismissed as made up by almost every credible historical source. But wait that must have been written at the founding of our country in 1957.
The opposite of love is not hate; it's indifference.
The opposite of art is not ugliness; it's indifference.
The opposite of faith is not heresy; it's indifference.
The opposite of life is not death; it's indifference.
Because of indifference, one dies before one actually dies.
awful.. to quote something so weak.. god move on....
Native Americans should spend more time worrying about employment on on the reservation than apologies for supposed wrong doings of the past and team mascots.
we do...question is why are we having a tough time? what is the cause?
The cause? Seems to be apathy and resignation over deeds largely done before most of them and us were born.That negative mindset is not going to lift them up and out. Accept the new reality and move on, while beating the drum for concessions and apology in parallel. Seems mainly focused on the latter, IMHO. In due time, a successful Native Indian could rise to be our President. But that will require as much work on their part as it does for anyone, including a black person.
Agreed! Also, how about ripping your own people off by 225% interest rates on loans "watch the commercials if you don't believe me". The little tiny find print 225% interest. Don't screw your own and blame others at the same time. Get over it, move forward and stop looking back. You have the same rights as anyone these days.
How do you watch the white man get the job? Through the window of his office? If so, does he eat chicken salad sandwiches for lunch, because I am curious what the pilfering white man eats on his lunch break.
wow...the world is so simple to you and for you, isn't it? So all we need is employment and we won't have problems..we'll be like you. Affluence can only hold a number of people and as these people get greedier, the ones at the bottom of the social order will be right next to the ones they used to look down upon
i dont see how an apology today will do anything........yeah what we did was mean, but it happens all the time. im still surprised there was no official apology yet, consdidering we issued an apology i forget when for conquering the Kingdom of Hawaii.
"WE?" I don't know about you but I didn't do anything to native people that I owe them an apology. In fact I married one
American Indians felt comfortable with the environment, close to the moods and rhythms of nature, in time with the living planet. Europeans were quite different, viewing the earth itself as lifeless and inorganic, subject to any kind of manipulation or alteration. Europeans tended to be alienated from nature and came to the New World to use the wilderness, to conquer and exploit its natural wealth for private gain.
But for American Indians, the environment was sacred, possessing a cosmic significance equal to its material riches. The earth was sacred - a haven for all forms of life - and it had to be protected, nourished, and even worshipped. Chief Smoholla of the Wanapun tribe illustrated American Native reverence for the earth when he said in 1885:
No more implicitly tolerated social or economic oppression? You're not even paying attention, are you?
The Europeans saw themselves as the superior culture bringing civilization to an inferior culture. The colonial world view split reality into popular parts: good and evil, body and spirit, man and nature, head and hear, European and primitive. American Indians spirituality lacks these dualism's; language expresses the oneness of all things. God is not the transcendent Father but the Mother Earth, the Corn Mother, the Great Spirit who nourishes all It is polytheistic, believing in many gods and many levels of deity. "At the basis of most American Native beliefs is the supernatural was a profound conviction that an invisible force, a powerful spirit, permeated the entire universe and ordered the cycles of birth and death for all living things." Beyond this belief in a universal spirit, most American Indians attached supernatural qualities to animals, heavenly bodies, the seasons, dead ancestors, the elements, and geologic formations. Their world was infused with the divine – The Sacred Hoop. This was not at all a personal being presiding ominpotently over the salvation or damnation of individual people as the Europeans believed.
Good stuff. What's your source? I ask cuz I'm writing a thesis on Indigenous Knowledge.
FORMAL acknowledgement of guilt is the necessary prerequisite to paying reparations. Without the formal acknowledgement that the US was wrong it would be very difficult to extract monetary revenge from the US. That is what this has to be all about. GREED. They have the apology, just no money to go with it, therefore the apology is not enough.
From the article:
"As a Native American, I feel offended that the apology was buried in this bill," he said. Personally, I don't think it's a very good apology," he said. "It does not mention any specific tribe or any specific incident." It also contains a disclaimer at the end: nothing in the apology could be used in a court of law against the United States.
FORCED REMOVAL FROM HOMELANDS
For a brief periods after the American Revolution, the United States adopted a policy toward American Indians known as the "conquest" theory. In the Treaty of Fort Stansix of 1784, the Iroquois had to cede lands in western New York and Pennsylvania. Those Iroquois living in the United States (many had gone to Canada where the English gave them refuge) rapidly degenerated as a nation during the last decades of the eighteenth century, losing most of their remaining lands and much of their ability to cope. The Shawnees, Miamis, Delawaresm, Ottawans, Wyandots, and Potawatomis watching the decline of the Iroquois formed their own confederacy and informed the United states that the Ohio river was the boundary between their lands and those of the settlers. It was just a matter of time before further hostilities ensued.
with all that is going on in the US today this is what you are concerned about!!!
how selfish can you be....
and so you know I am part Cheroke..
Everyone has their causes. If everyone sat and just listened to, and debated the 'cause of the day'..nothing would get done, or worse, many more wrongs would come about. I totally agree with him and have forwarded it..and everyone agrees with the article, but most especially with his explanation/example. It is a fact that Native Americans were wronged, and they are still living horribly due to a situation that the govt created. Take care of them before you take care of the Sudanese. Fix our own territory first-then we have more people able to aid other peoples!
During American expansion into the western frontier, one primary effort to destroy the Indian way of life was the attempts of the U.S. government to make farmers and cattle ranchers of the Indians. In addition, one of the most substantial methods was the premeditated destructions of flora and fauna which the American Indians used for food and a variety of other purposes. We now also know that the Indians were intentionally exposed to smallpox by Europeans. The discovery of gold in California, early in 1848, prompted American migration and expansion into the west. The greed of Americans for money and land was rejuvenated with the Homestead Act of 1862. In California and Texas there was blatant genocide of Indians by non-Indians during certain historic periods. In California, the decrease from about a quarter of a million to less than 20,000 is primarily due to the cruelties and wholesale massacres perpetrated by the miners and early settlers. Indian education began with forts erected by Jesuits, in which indigenous youths were incarcerated, indoctrinated with non-indigenous Christian values, and forced into manual labor. These children were forcibly removed from their parents by soldiers and many times never saw their families until later in their adulthood. This was after their value systems and knowledge had been supplanted with colonial thinking. One of the foundations of the U.S. imperialist strategy was to replace traditional leadership of the various indigenous nations with indoctrinated "graduates" of white "schools," in order to expedite compliance with U.S. goals and expansion.
Who cares... I wasnt involved and neither were you... Wasnt my fault and you never fought against it... in fact no one on these boards or in congress had anything to do with taking over North America. Truthfully the native americans have been treated a LOT better than most conqured cultures have... go ask the tribes in central america what real cultural cleansing looks like. Your ancestors were unable to protect themselves (partly due to ignorance but mostly due to greed) and lost their land. Thats not my fault and not your loss. I am America and I have nothing to apologize for. Get over it... or at least quit trying to mask your attempt at extorition as outrage.
They were not able to protect themselves, not due to ignorance and greed, as you incredibly suggest, but because in the beginning they were trusting, and in the end they were outnumbered.
and stupid all along..... weak...
The Removal Act of 1830 set into motion a series of events which led to the "Trail of Tears" in 1838, a forced march of the Cherokees, resulting in the destruction of most of the Cherokee population." The concentration of American Indians in small geographic areas, and the scattering of them from their homelands, caused increased death, primarily because of associated military actions, disease, starvation, extremely harsh conditions during the moves, and the resulting destruction of ways of life.
In 1493, when Columbus returned to the Hispaniola, he quickly implemented policies of slavery and mass extermination of the Taino population of the Caribbean. Within three years, five million were dead. Las Casas, the primary historian of the Columbian era, writes of many accounts of the horrors that the Spanish colonists inflicted upon the indigenous population: hanging them en mass, hacking their children into pieces to be used as dog feed, and other horrid cruelties. The works of Las Casas are often omitted from popular American history books and courses because Columbus is considered a hero by many, even today.
Mass killing did not cease, however, after Columbus departed. Expansion of the European colonies led to similar genocides. "Indian Removal" policy was put into action to clear the land for white settlers. Methods for the removal included slaughter of villages by the military and also biological warfare. High death rates resulted from forced marches to relocate the Indians.
Good for him.
What goes around, comes around. I don't want to be alive to see that day.
And you wonder why people go crazy. Listen to all of the push back here just because someone wants help and understanding for a group of people who might have a legitimate gripe. All the man wants is to be listened to. We can go from there. The miracle of America is that we manage to get along despite our differences. The chatter about superiority and individual apologies is useless. Non of us committed those old crimes but people still suffer from them. The perpetrators cant fix it but we can. We are a country that gets it done and moves on.
"By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million. Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.
Funny last I checked it was a little over 3 million, I really wonder where you get your facts.
He was talking about Native Americans.
You are the typical man who believes that we Native Americans can just up and leave our home...you say, "If it is so miserable, leave. If you want running water, then drill a well, get some pipes and fix the place up'"...do you honestly believe it's that simple!? How the hell can we do that if my people are living in poverty!? You need to do some research before you even begin to offer answers to a problem that you clearly don't understand!
Dude, you've got an amazing house. Come on down and enjoy the party!
My great grandmother, of German decent, lived in Russia. Stalin suspected the Germans, so she had to leave. She never heard from her brothers again. I will spend the rest of my life trying to get that land back from Russia, with interest, and will get my sons focused on it to as they are victims of what happened close to 100 years ago. NOT!! It happened. My family thrived. I went to college, law school, etc. It's history. Now, if I were an alcoholic, or perhaps in prison, or perhaps if my life did not turn out as I wanted it to, instead of taking personal responsibility, I could blame Stalin and Russia for all my ills and failures. BUT, that's what victims do. Blame others. Get over it.
By Leah Trabich
Cold Spring Harbor High School
New York, USA
In the past, the main thrust of the Holocaust/Genocide Project's magazine, An End To Intolerance, has been the genocides that occurred in history and outside of the United States. Still, what we mustn't forget is that mass killing of Native Americans occurred in our own country. As a result, bigotry and racial discrimination still exist.
"In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue" . . . and made the first contact with the "Indians." For Native Americans, the world after 1492 would never be the same. This date marked the beginning of the long road of persecution and genocide of Native Americans, our indigenous people. Genocide was an important cause of the decline for many tribes.
Try telling that to black America. Everytime the month to celebrate black America comes up, I wonder if America would tollerate a month to celebrate native American heritage. I totally agree with your comment. Forgiveness, hard work and study are the only ways to combat something awful that has happened in the past. We can never forget though, because if we forget, we are going to make the same mistakes again.
I think injustices of the past pale in comparison to the destruction that tribes currently inflict upon themselves. Native americans should have become overwhelmingly successful long ago. It is a sad situation. The current dilemma is the welfare-type money (and tribe-owned housing) that is distributed by the tribe leadership to members. Young tribesmen become hooked on the handouts, and then fail to better themselves and are often unable to break free of the pseudo-poverty state. It is similar to the self-destructive behavior in urban welfare ghettos. Voluntary self-destruction is a very hard problem to fix.
reply to Truth:
Before the coming of the europeans to america there were clean drinking water all over both continents, from the north pole to the tip of south america. The first thing the euros did when they first arrived was dump their sewage, garbage and trash into the rivers polluting those once-clean rivers. The also polluted the once-clean aquifers which once held more clean waters than all of the north american lakes combined.
Before people of any sort come into an area, there is no polution. The volume of people in an area determines the amount of polution. That goes for ANY people. It's the population density that makes it difficult for nature to break down the effects of polution.
It's about much more than victory in war-that's simplistic. The fact is that a bunch of WASP's and Catholics crossed the ocean. When they reached land they said "OOhhhh I like it! Gimme!" No regard for Native rights. And don't forget all the treaties the US government broke.
The Indians were not the first to be North America. There were some before them so the Indians should apologize the the Nearnderthol man
@Tooltime Neanderthals weren't in America
The neanderthols (who were a female-oriented, matriarchal culture) were driven off of their lands by the euro males just as the euros did to the native americans thousands of years later.
wow, could you really be any more ignorant? Its apparent what your level of history of North America is.... war huh? go read a book, american trash is what you represent.
The American government SHOULD apologize when it has done something wrong. Just like many of us were raised by our parents to accept responsibility for our actions. A mature government will make mistakes and needs to stand up and correct those mistakes. All Mark is doing is making the apology public. It has already been issued, folks.
Just because a mistake was made years ago doesn't make it right. And I am saddened by any one who can't be adult enough to admit that sometimes our country will make a mistake.
We indeginous victims of the europeans do not need or want your apologies. We want you to reduce your population to zero thru the use of contraception, sterility, suicide, abortion and murder. That Newtown, Ct., massacare is an example.
You do realize it wasn't war, it was genocide
That's actually an awesome analogy!
There are still treaties in effect right now between the USA and Native Nations. That makes it relevent and not history.
We kept one promise. We promised to take your land, and we did. The treaty with the Souix nation is still being negoiated after 125 years. Build Casinos, make the white man pay!!!
The United States broke every treaty they had with Native nations. The Native Americans didn't break one first.
Apology or not, I really was surprised when I came to the US a few years ago that there is very little in the way of honouring the Native ancestors, unless you are one yourself. I was very much looking forward to learning about Native American culture and I really had to make a concerted effort to find any. I spent about a month in the southwest on travel holiday and spent time with quite a few Native families who were kind enough to open their lives and homes when it became clear I was not looking to exploit them, but rather just learn. They are a large part of the fabric that comprises your nation and I expected more attention to paid them. I was left confused as to why not. There is most certainly a feeling of isolation out there. Perhaps people just don't like to confront that part of their nations past. I wish you luck Mr. Charles.
The native americans did relatively little to make modern america as it stands today, so I don't know why you would be surprised. There was no written history, so the full history of the various tribes is non-existent (unlike Europe/Asia in the same time period). Archaeology is required for even recent history by European standards. That said, I would say that there is a significant number of interesting places to visit concerning native history. Mesa Verde cliff dwellings. Little Bighorn battefield site. Various museums throughout the US with pottery and other artifacts. Petroglyphs and pictographs are easily found in the west (consult topo map). Historical markers are also common for recent native historical figures (e.g. warrior chiefs, guides, etc), but they were erected by the "conquerers" of course.
The US, being much younger in history than say, Europe and Asia, learned aggression and obtained the feelings of superiority from Europe and other countries from past immigrants. With time, that should be diluted with each generation. It's funny that someone from another country would see this as an American problem when many of the immigrants were running from oppression in their own homeland. I see it as a problem we "Americans" inherited from other countries.
will retort like that it sounds like you need to get over something too. seek the bigger issue within before you regurgitate from your head what you call meaningful dialog.
Obviously you are not from this world.. where did you come from?
If an Apology is needed to help heal the wounds then I genuinely apologize for my white ancestors, Since I, like a lot of americans, are of mixed decent (both white and American-Indian) the other side of me excepts and is ready to move along to solidify my being into one and forgive both of us. NOW it is all better ... thanks.
An apology would be good..Elevating Russell Means to the status of a full Roman God and giving the American Indian Movement a handful of Nukes like we did for the Israelis would be better..Then when the the Colorado Militia comes to wipe them out and wear Indian women's uterus's as trophy's ..They can Nuke Denver..
If they haven't mastered running water or electricity, how will they be able to launch the nukes?
Sorry but this generation didn't cause these hardships and I feel whatever wrongs have now been made right. Time to move on.
Have you been on Pine Ridge lately?
Sorry, I just don't remember riding with the U.S. cavalry in the west in the 1800's. This is 2012 isn't it???
Sometimes it takes a different generation to apologize for the sins of the fathers. You may not realize that if you felt that your kind did no wrong. I guess that's what you expect from the no aplogies crowd. The ones that never take responsibility for any wrong doing. Exceptionalism at it's best right?
Well my father nor his father, nor his father, nor any other member of my family did nothing to native people, so I don't want anyone apologizing on my behalf.
reply to LostinSLC:
It certainly is time you ‘moved on’, LostinSLC, to your ancestral homeland!
You mean some corner of East Africa? Thats everyones ancestral homeland, what is the cutoff in years my ancestral homeland is Cleveland, should I go back there, I really hope you don't have children
The government may want to apologize, but in this case, it doesn't speak for me. All of my ancestors, and those of everyone posting here today, came from cultures that were conquered and conquerors. It's happened to every society in every culture on Earth. The Indians are no different. Suck it up and move on. The "plight" of the Indians just goes to show what happens when you don't have an effective immigration policy.
If a majority of Americans are decedents of people who immigrated here long past what happened to the natives why should we feel obligated to apologize for something people did 200 years ago? Why do you need an official apology to move on? And lets not pretend the natives were peaceful and have no blood on their hands. They were just as ruthless, they just didn't have the technology to compete. You did fight with the British (The ones who gave you those blankets tainted with small pox and yellow fever) against the Revolution. You did attack and murder (mostly defenseless) convoys moving west. So its not as if you were on "our" side to begin with. The 2 societies could not mesh making integration impossible and when you lose wars you lose land. Its a sad fact of life but it is true.
I don't feel obligated to apologize for something America did a couple hundred years ago when 3/4ths of my family tree immigrated here just this past century. The other 25%, I honestly couldn't tell you if they were here or not.
Your ancestors may have come here after the main thrust of destruction against the Native Americans, but the depredations have continued even to the present day (the office of american indian affairs was still rife with corruption and mistreatment into this century, and Native Americans are the only group in this country that suffers more violent crime from people outside their group than from those within) and, more importantly, they BENEFITED by what happened before they came here, building their own prosperity on top of what was taken from others. Saying that as a country we are sorry and that what was done to their ancestors by our country was wrong is the least we can do.
Wounded Knee happened in 1890 and modern Wounded Knee happened in about 1973
He's correct in the abstract but such is the history and tragedy of human expansion. The Amorites should apologize to the Sumerians, the Babylonians and Assyrians to the Israelites, the Mongolians to the Chinese, etc. All we need to do is track down the proper descendants, draw up the papers and all will be right with the world.
My father's family tree suggests I might be descended from some medieval Irish nobles, now just who screwed up my inheritance?
Being Native American in Washington state means free Government checks, free education, free medical, free dental, all the fishing (with barbed hooks) and hunting you want, your right to own Casino's and free golf to tribal members to those tribes buying up golf courses. I wish I was Native American so I could afford to put my children through college.
I went to college with many tribal people from Washington. They didn't get checks directly from the government, but from their tribes. Of course the tribes got their money from the goverenment, but they never aknowledge that. The funny thing is 90% of them drank themselves out of school in the first year. I wonder how many would do that if they weren't getting free college checks with no accountability. The US government should only apologize for encouraging people that should never be in college to go.
reply to Jimmy two times:
First the europeans stole what rightfully belonged to the natives then the euros gave a little of what they stole back to the natives and now the euros think the natives owe the euros something after having given back what the euros stole from the natives.
You should move to Alaska. After 9 months, you're considered a permanent resident, and receive a yearly dividend from the PFD (permanent fund dividend, which comes from oil revenues and is given to every resident).
I lost my 7th and 6th g-grandfathers to indians in 1744 and 1774. Where's my apology?
Did the Native Americans travel to Europe to kill them? If so, then I'm sure they will apologize.
Why does that matter? Well next time I see a person of Asian decent I will tell him to go back to Asia. I love the liberal world of history and fairness, I touched it first so its mine. So childlike.
Oohh, so your grandfathers were on this land for thousands of years and then "indians" came & just killed them & stole their land, then forced them to move further west? No? Oh, then shut up please and stop thinking only of yourself... that's kinda the point of this article...
Have you ever considered his grandfathers were indians themselves?
Noble indians, killing farmers and their families. So proud the Red Man.
that's about as snarky, and as immature of an uneducated statement I have seen in a while. Clearly mentalities like your's is what is eroding the foundation of America.
I advise that you go out and learn how to form a proper sentence. You sound like you need to wear a crash helmet for everyday life.
Are you serious? You want Native Americans to apologize for defending their lands from invasion?
So by your logic, I can go waste some illegals because I'm "defending my land from invasion".
Have you heard of "Stand Your Ground"?
If you see yourself as a victim you are a victim. What about all those atrocities committed by the Romans and my Gaelic ancestors? Italy has never apologized and neither has the Gaelic accomplices.
I’m sorry your ancestors were conquered by selfish idiots. History is full of such stories – just look to the middle east, Darfur, Kosovo to see real pain. Pull up your pants and move on.
Whereas american history books should be thousands of pages long those in schools are seldom more than 2-300 pages long. The reason that is so is because a vast amount of pertinent information has been purposefully omitted to cover up the truth about the white mans conduct. For example, the history books claimed (while George Washington was still alive) that George Washington freed all of slaves BEFORE he became president. The facts are Washington never freed any of his slaves, not even with his Will, which switched ownership of his 143 slaves from his estate to his wife’s estate, who then sold the slaves to other unknown slavers
Citation, please. Which specific books claimed that?
And it is ridiculous to say that school books should be "thousands" of pages. One book is for one or two semesters. There is no reason why a single school book should have every detail of 200+ years.
As the quote says"The winners write the history books" (I'm not condoning this). So when there is a war, the "winning" side writes the version of the story. My history books in 1991-1995 mentioned Christopher Columbus and how great he was for "discovering" a new land, and pretty much left out everything else. Only after I was 18 and on a road trip and met a native american dude in Wyoming did I really know the other side of the story. Same for Hawaii. Most people have no idea what happened (and still happens) there, with the overthrow of Queen Lilliokulani with the help of US Marines and sugar company plantation owners. My neighbor was a member of the estate of Samuel Mills Damon, and I know the descendents of Alexander & Baldwin, Inc. (Henry and the other guy) that "own" most of Maui and all of the subsidiaries. They had several $5-10M houses, while the Native Hawaiians (several of my co-workers) grew up on the lands that were left over, in poverty. The chapter on Hawaii is basically a paragraph saying that it gained statehood in 1959, and was a territory before that. Same for Alaska and the Athabascan Tribes and others, where I also lived at one point. The same stuff is going on with the middle east. They re-write their history books every week.
No treatment of the Native Peoples by the US can be justified and should be apologized. It was genocide. Also take a close look at the map. The Navajo were from the north. The land they now occupy was Hopi before the Navajo arrived. And Hopi stories say the Navajo did not exactly say please.
I didn't own slaves, none of my ancestors did (to my knowledge as we weren't wealthy) and I didn't drive Indians from their homelands and kill their buffalo so I don't see any need for any apologies. Let is rest for crying out loud, people, just go away. The Jews were the most wrongly persecuted people and you NEVER hear them whine!
Genocide really? Come on. People came from other parts of the world grabbed a piece of land declared it theirs and defended it. Just like the Indians did to other Indians. It wasn't until way later that the government went after Indians and that's because they were roaming around killing US citizens.
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A person who repeats a lie must also be considered a liar though his motives may be pure. It is a lie, for example, that the euros ‘discovered’ america yet the euros promulgates this lie each October as Dicscovery Day, a federal holiday. When Columbus ‘discovered’ america there were an estimated 120 million people on the north american continent.
Hop were living on mesas?
Are native americans sorry for using "rock pointed projectiles" that caused so much pain and suffering to the "white man" while causing slow death? If you are then come out and say your are sorry! I believe native americans used to stake white men to ant hills and let them be eaten to death by ants. Drawn and quartered was another favorite. Are you sorry for any of these? Let's hear how sorry, and how much money you are willing to cough up for repartations.
Other than that, let's all worry about today's world and just try to get along with each other, instead of worrying what my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather did to your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather, or vice versa.
The torture your ancestors endured by native Americans were brought from Europe. Scalping came from the French, drawn and quartered came from the English, ant hills from the Spainish. Bury my heart at wounded knee, by Pulitzer award winner author Dan Brown should be required reading in all High school history and English classes. That way we wouldn't have all these ignorant post.
The reply was for RAY...
i am actually shocked that so many people on cnn are negatively criticizing this article. Its a very good thing that Americans are dismissing this feel good BS that is meaningless. We got real problems in this world like jerks that go around shooting kids, not dumb waste of time stuff like this. Whats next, CNN should publish me for demanding an apology from Little Caesers because I didn't like their pizza last night.
Yeah, that's exactly the same. :eyeroll:
But I can agree that it may be time to move on. Many wrongs were done and many peoples were conquered throughout history. At some point you have to say it's happened to many others and here is where I am at today.
Exactly. The frame of mind 500 years ago is not the same as today's train of thought. Apologize ? Why ? What happened here is the same thing that was happening EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD,not just America,also,native Americans were more brutal to each other before the white man and were actually the first slave holders in America,even after the civil war they took slaves.
I grew up around and worked with Native Americans. I was also close to several who were part Native American, married one for a while. I lived in Maine. These people were treated very badly 50 years ago, let along 150 years ago. The indeed do need an apology.
50 years ago ? I doubt any of those people are even alive today and why would we apologize for something someone else did ?
Why would we apologize? To show we are better people than those before us. We may not have done the action ourselves. But we need to acknowledge that it happened.
Rebel my neighbor's dog keeps crapping on my yard. I want an official written apology from you concerning the matter.
Even if we didn't do it ourselves, couldn't we just say we are sorry this happened to you?
I love the way a blog like this attracts all the white supremacist Stormfront type apologists. All of you drop dead ,the apology is from the American government for basically breaking legal treaties it has nothing to do with who was here first or who stepped on your delicate little white toes.
The native Americans deserve way more than an apology. Just pointing that out.
As you can see from many of these posts Americans are not civilized enough to apologize. I feel sad for my country.
HUH...mmm....think you need to read history and read the news every now and then
So how come y'all don't go with "to the victor" when it's about the Mexicans? Because in that case you guys keep saying that you have a right to the land.
Yes, I agree. Americans get upset and thump their chest when immigration is brought to the table. Hmmmm... hurt much?
Our bad. Our bad.
Fine, 'nuf said...now everybody move on and stop living in the past (not even your past really).
Those who wish to forget the past, are doomed to repeat it. You rush to ignore things that should not be ignored.
Uh, John, it is everyone in this country's past, future and present. The US government occupies native American lands to this day.
Excellent, John, thank you. Everyone, we all get to go to John's house, take everything he owns, kill his parents, give his children smallpox, and he won't do anything about it, because he doesn't want to live in the past. We'll all move on with our lives.
Gen Yer: It want's "AMERICA" until be made it America. Up until then it was pretty much a barren land inhabited by loin cloth people running round with sticks and praying to the rain gods.
Trey: Are you as ignorant as you sound? Can't be. This IS the present I'm living in. If you event a time machine and do that crap 150 years ago, all the more power to you. If you tried it today, which I am living in, then you would know how the buffalo felt when the white man showed up. If you can't tell the difference between "today" and "150 years ago" I suggest you try looking it up. Until you get around to that, try going back on your medication.
Hey I can throw out idiocy too. Left wing loons are not smart, funny thing is it is a bunch of liberal fools from over a century ago that forced Inidians on to reservations for their own good. Liberals know everything.
does't ' matter..
No one is native to the western hemisphere
Mark keep up the good work...If anyone needs to apologize to the Native American, it is the people in the Baptist Church and all those in the bible church. Not talking RCC or the Mormons or some other cult but the bible believing church who hurt Native people. A preacher in colorado took out a whole sleeping village and shot babies point blink. Native people were willing to share the land but white greedy men had other ideas. Killed native people with their disease, small pox etc...this is Christian spirit? There were no other people here before...but native people had found this land before any other people.
The "native Americans" are as native as anyone else living here. They migrated from Asia and made their way to the Americas as pre clovis people. This is the most tired argument going and I cant believe people still put up with it. If your people had put up a better fight you might have won. Take an anthropology class, what the Euros did to the native Americans is no different than what a stronger civilization has done to weaker civilization throughout the entire history of mankind. Its called assimilation.
It is called greedy and using God to justify their Sin. They will pay for that when they meet God. Especially those who called themselves Christians.
Sorry but thats a poor argument. You may as well claim that no one is native to anywhere because mankind moved into those empty areas.
They were here for thousands of years before the settlers came. They have as big a right to claim native as anyone else have of any other area.
So if they moved here thousands of years ago, then THEY are not truly native Americans either, since they did to those living here what they claim we did to them.
So to be truly "natives" NOBODY, as far back as Adam and Eve, would be allowed to move, say 3 miles, from where they were born. That would be a pretty crowded world...with lots of empty space going to waste if you ask me.
Not a voodoo person here..hahaha you are an idiot...
Youre superstiious voodoo doesnt scare me. Yoiure no different than a witch putting a curse on someone. Invoking the punishment of some spiritual being? Psssh.
Who was occupying this land before the Indians arrived??
Wrong...there was always "somebody" here before the next people arrived. To say "no one" is to say life on Earth originated in what we now call "America."
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The natives were. They became indians after the euros arrived.
Ownership is a naive thought not a native one. Our creator never intended us to own anything, nor does the government of the United States. Certain rights are leased by it's citizens under law, whether through the government or God. America, hypocritically, only recognizes the rights endowed by our creator that are consistent with the wishes of the willfully blind. An apology does not exist without sincerity nor acknowledgment of the transgressions committed. Consider for a moment that the most atrocious genocide and holocaust in history occurred here. The United States was founded and on such an atrocity. An apology from the United States Government means as much as one from Hitler to the Jews. The leaders of our country are supposed to be the voice of our people. How would your God feel about that apology? This was an apology for rape, murder, assimilation, genocide, torture and slavery of our men, women and children. This was an apology for breaching treaties that paved the way for the safe development of this country. The idea that all men are created equal is naive as the idea that an apology from the US Government means something.
I take as much pride as being an American as I do a Native American. I take pride in the brave men and women who fight to protect and defend freedoms that they and I believe in. I am not anti-American. I am very much a proud American who recognizes that we owe an apology and reparations to all Native American Tribes, whether conveniently federally recognized or not. Once this occurs, the United States can consider itself the patriarch for the equality of all people.
My guess is that you are in it for the money!
Sounds like you want the apology to come from England, since that is the land that made the pilgrims flee in the first place. You "native americans" already get extra bennies like casinos, and deals like Western Sky Financial that is exempt from federal laws on intest rates, since Wester Sky can charge as high as 215% interest on loans. An "American" company would end up in jail if they tried something like that.
And what's with the "native American" bit anyway? It was not "America" when it was ruled by "indians" who went around attacking other tribes. Call yourselves "Pre-Americans" if you want, but "native" Americans is a bit of a stretch for me. I guess you could call me a "native American" since I was born in this country, from people who were also born in this country, etc.
Your ignorance is amazing. Aparently you have not heard of payday loans.
As far as the use of "Native Americans", we must comunicate on a level that you can understand. If we were to say "we the native people", you would say from where?
john: Western Sky Financial is not in the "pay day loan" business. And I had to look up what you meant by "pay day loan"...you apparently are quite familiar with this service, probably from past experience...I had never heard of them. I guess we come from different sides of the tracks. I'll keep my chin up...you keep your head down.
Wow. Ownership is naiive, in that case give me your shirt and pants their not yours
There is nothing for which the United States of America needs to apologize. What happened to the native peoples of the this land is unfortunate, but the values of 200 years ago were considerably different. As individuals, descendants of those peoples had and have choice, that they continue to suffer in their lives suggests that they continue to make wrong choices for their lives. But to claim that events of the distant past in which there were atrocities on both sides is misguided and continues a path that continues to victimize these peoples. It is time that the we stop treating the descendants of the aboriginal people of the area of the United States as separate but equal and make them full citizens of the United States. They are not peoples of sovereign states, those were never states and they do not warrant that recognition any longer.
If our values and just about everything else changed from 200 years ago then the 2nd Amendment is total garbage then right?
So what you are saying is people from a different country cdan come and take over America today and will be alright tomorrow? What if the US got invaded by China, would it be OK in the next few years to accept it? If we went on the premise that all civilization started in Africa then all the countries in the world are owned by Africans? After all, all amnkind started in Africa.
I totally agree with Loren. That was then, this is now. To say "hey, pay me mega-bucks" for something that happened 15 generations ago serves nothing more than to point out how greedy some people are. You want something, work for it...it earn it. Don't just sit on your butt and say gimme gimme gimme. I had an ancestor who was scalped by western indians, or Native Americans if you want. Do I get repartations for what your people did to mine? How much money do you owe my family for cutting off the top of my great uncles scalp? Does "pain and suffering" adder apply since he did not die until after they found him scalped?
Where did the article say anything about this guy demanding compensation? He just wants an official apology from the government that violated treaties and broke promises, and to raise awareness about such atrocities. Nowhere did I read that he is requesting compensation.
There is a song out there that goes somewhat like this, "yesterdsay is DEAD and GONE!". If we continue to look at yesterday and never move on with what we can do to make ourselves better and love each other more, then we will certainly revert back to the way it was. That would be really really really bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im of irish decent and have read many times what the italians etc. did to irish imigrants both in New York and Boston. When I was a child i was severly abused by my dad and step dads.....Soooooooo what. Today I have a thriving busness, great friends and great family.
Sure I look back at yesterday but only as a reflection of what not to do to the people around me, nothing more! Most people in this country would be well advised to do the same!
None of what you listed even comes close to comparing to what Native Americans have been put through.
There is no harm in a sincere and deserved apology. If anything, I think it would help bring closure so that we really can, as you suggest, "move on".
I am offended by all the "Native American" talk. They were born here and their ancestors came from Siberia. I was born here and my ancestors came from Europe. They are no more "native" than I am.
I see then that you will have no problem when the Latino population overtakes this nation and chile relleno becomes the official US lunch dish.
Natives are descendants of those people who were FIRST! to settle the land in question. FIRST TO SETTLE THE LAND!
Get over it and move forward. The British have.... and they didn't whine for an apology... especially several generations later from people who were not involved. We all know what comes after the apology ....more reparation$$$$$$$$$$$!! Get a job and stop whining to CNN.
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A theft by any other word is yet a theft regardless of how long that theft occured. The romans conquered england and held it as part of the roman empire for hundreds of years but the english refused to concede that their land belonged to the romans. In america, however, the english stole the land from the natives yet they not only refuse to return the land, they refuse to admit that they stole the land in the first place. Whats good for the goose dam sure is not good for the gander, too!
You need to put down the 40, get off the sofa, and get a job!
That might be the greatest comment I've ever read. Thanks, Kristine!
I couldn't agree more. If you aren't the first man to climb down out of the trees, then you aren't "native" to anywhere.
Get a life and stop living in the past, using the past to make current excusses for your failures!
Why would the US military give an apology to indians?The indians attacked and killed thousands of American settlers in addtion to thousands os their other tribes.I am more native Anerican that any tribal Navajo.
They killed american settlers because they were protecting their land. It's absolutely justified. If the germans came here & began to take over wouldn't the military kill them.
So it was absolutely justified from the American perspective too. no apology needed
Read your history about the Genocide of over 52 million indians, and the US Indian Removal Act of 1830. If any culture deserves an apology from the US, the American Indian does. Go to your local book store and get educated.
Wow Nazi references, a very common reference generally made by the people who know facts the least
I must echo some of the earlier comments. How was it their land to begin with? I grew up in an area with many Native Americans. I have friends to this day who are Native American. I have witnessed firsthand how the US taxpayers continuing to "pay for our sins" has, for the most part, only furthered the problem. I can recall many Native American classmates couldn't wait to turn 18 so they could "get their money". They would then run out and spend it on new cars, motorcycles, etc. and party away the rest. I recall a particular incident where my high school baseball team was traveling to an away game and the bus stopped at a sporting goods store. The non Native American players were told to stay on the bus while the Native American players were taken into the store to purchase any and everything they wanted. I saw the blank, signed check that was used to pay for it. These new purchases were then rubbed in our nose as if they deserved it more that the rest of us! How long are we going to pay? Native Americans already don't pay income tax. They also don't follow the laws of the USA but have their own laws and police because they are a "sovereign" nation. Are they a part of the USA or not? The Native American casinos that have cropped up in our area are making tons of money but are they being taxed like the rest of us? I'm thankful that I have Native American friends and, as with any race or culture, they are not all alike. I just think we cannot cotinue to "repay" them for what was not theirs to start with nor continue to pay for the rest of our existence. Where do we draw the line?
Mike, just a quick reply to your comment. You said that Native Americans do not pay income taxes. This is a common misconception. Native Americans pay federal income taxes and are only exempt from state taxes if the person lives on the reservation and their income is made on solely on the reservation. Considering that most tribes are in isolated areas, the reservation itself rarely is the source of a Native American's income. I invite you to look into reputable sources to confirm what I'm saying. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and have a happy 2013 !
Well said, I am Native American from a tribe who's grandfather was the chief. My father, siblings, as well as myself and family who has never lived on the reservation have paid state and federal taxes and still do. We never received free money for school or anything else.
The white population is in decline all over europe and it is estimated that within 40 years most of the people in europe will be brown, with whites in the minority. NOW is the time for all white people everywhere to return to the lands of their forbearers and help their countrymen maintain dominance of their ancestral lands.
I'm almostbetting that the apology, along with the one to the Chinese were place in to bill as a set up. For the President to come out and state it in an election year with the Republicans calling him an apologist to the world, would be political suicide.
While I think what happened to the natives was terrible and the destruction their beautiful culture a tragedy I do not believe there will ever be a large public apology nor do I think there should be. This country was founded on several ideas and one of them that is paramount is that children shall not be punished for the transgressions of their ancestors. We of the present generations where born into this country as it is but we are not responsible for the terrible things this nation did a century ago. At a certain point you have to let things go. It is terrible that the native way of life is destroyed, but it is gone and the people who destroyed are also gone and nothing can change that. I share heritage with many different groups, Greek, Jewish, Anglo Saxon, Irish and Scottish, Russian. I could look back on each of those and find something to be angry about or something to be sorry for but the fact is I do not own what my ancestors did and that is one of the positive things about this country.
Land was taken by force and guile. Native americans have done this between their own tribes before the white man came. When the white man did it to them, A LOT of native americans decided to assimilate. The descendants of those who decided not to assimilate are living in third-world conditions because they CHOSE NOT TO ADVANCE WITH THE REST OF US. They had every oppurtunity to forsake their aging and primitive culture...for their own good reasons, they didn't do that. Living on the reservation is the consequence of that.
I will not apologize for the choice another human being made for his/her self. Actions have consequences. I feel bad that an understandable, positive choice has negative consequences, but I CANNOT apologize for that, and neither can my family, my government, or my ancestors.
While I do not believe there is a need to apologize I do believe that you are ignorant to assume that our culture is superior to what was here before.
He is not ignorant to assume it is superior ?? It is clearly superior in many ways otherwise the native americans would be running things.. right ? Its clearly time for the native americans to quick the crying, act like adults and move on. Along with that.. stop the whining and babying about sports teams being named after tribes.. it is what it is.. They only believe the whining & crying will get them more money.. its not about their culture, its about how much money they can get.. Oh, and rain dances do not work wither....
Our culture is superior. The Indians chose to live a primitive life. What would you choose a steel shovel or a stick, a gun or stick, a wagon or a stick, a home or a stick and deer skin. White people did not reject Indian ways because they were prejudiced. The rejected the ideas because they are inferior. The same can be said for laws, government, medicine, and education.
The native american culture was superior.. Based on respect for all things..
it was the white man who was inferior.. Thinking instead that their ways were superior..
I use Hitler as an example..He did to the Jewish people and Europe the same thing..
Its the white man "insanity" that is impossible to fight..It can't be reasoned with..
Paul–most of these responses to your post leave me feeling ashamed for the posters. Are we really so arrogant as to assume that our culture is superior to any other?
OK. I will read any history book that puts me in this country 400 – 600 years ago, doing the things that require an apology. I will even get on my knees and beg for forgiveness for every single horrible thing that I did wrong.
Here is an even more novel idea..one of my ancestors is German. He came to the US in the early 1800s. How about I apologize for the Holocaust, because of the German blood in my veins? On the other hand, that same ancestor was married to a Cherokee woman. Should I just apologize to myself?
Sorry, was supposed to be a reply to a post from someone else.
Yes, as white men we are supposed to have no self esteem and should be embarrased by the fact that we even exist. On the other hand all minorities are supposed to be praised and all the good parts of their history should be taught.
I dont believe anyone is asking YOU to personally apologise for anything Larry.
They are asking the authorities of the country that perpetrated these acts, in the name of the country, to do so.
Last I checked the authorities of the country represent the people of the country, so yeah essentially this guy is asking Larry to apologize for something that happened over a century ago. I want an apology from you.
King of saudi arabia. Not too bright are you?
I don't see anything wrong with apologizing for past mistakes. It doesn't cost a thing and may make some Native Americans feel a little better about the treatment that they have received from our forefathers. No, it won't fix anything, but what would it hurt? I would like to thank the many indigenous peoples in America for their contributions to our great nation, and I am sorry for the wrongs that you have suffered and continue to suffer through no fault of your own.
Tony, well said and my thoughts exactly. Apologizing, saying your sorry doesn't cost a thing and it does make the world a better place, it goes along way as long as it is sincere.
How does an apology make the world a better place? Actually all it does is open the government to lawsuits by admitting wrong doing. This is ridiculous, native people have so many social problems as it is and this is what their focus is on, this and sport mascot logos, they should worry more about the domestic violence that is common amongst most homes on the reservation. Maybe getting running water to their homes instead of some stupid apology for supposed past wrongs of a conquered people. His example of the house is ridiculous, natives tribes conquered other tribes and stole their land too, all humans have, not one piece of land on this planet has the first people that settled it. The navajo conquered another tribe almost a thousand years ago for the land their at today. I am sure I will get backlash, because as a modern white man I should hate myself for the crimes of white men of all times, I probably should fly to France and apologize to the Gallic tribes for Julius Caeser.
True- Also as a native American of a federally recognized tribe, you receive FREE education, FREE medical services, you do not pay taxes if you live on reservation land, you are a minority and qualify for every scholarship, federal program, grant, etc..
I'm not sure where you get your information. I'm a member of a federally recognized tribe. My college was paid for by the GI Bill. I had to take out massive loans to pay for law school, loans that I'm still repaying. When I lived on the reservation, I still paid income taxes. I do get free medical care from IHS, but unfortunately that system leaves a lot to be desired. Trying to get seen at your local IHS is worse than waiting at the DMV. I prefer to go to the VA. I had to bust my butt to get where I'm at, so I don't feel comfortable having you spread lies about how I coasted my whole life.
Yeah – might not have paved roads, electricity, running water or even glass in the windows, but we got those awesome benefits.
Yes, because money = happiness, the most reliable mathematical formula of all time. It's not like they're suffering from widespread alcohol and drug abuse or anything.
THANK YOU for making some sense here. Too many of these comments are incomprehensibly vile to me. Disclaimer: Mark Charles is a colleague of mine, and I am a big fan of his work.
Native children were still being taken away to be raised by whites in the 1960's. Policies limiting native culture, language, and heritage from growing to the next generation are still affecting tribes today. After all.. In Aaron Huey’s words:
"The last chapter in any successful genocide is the one in which the oppressor can remove their hands and say “my god, what are these people doing to themselves. They’re killing each other. They’re killing themselves.”
While we watch them die.
This is how we came to own these United States. This is the legacy of manifest destiny. Prisoners are still born into prisoner of war camps long after the guards are gone. These are the bones left after the best meat has been taken…
How much of this history do you need to own?"
Think of it like this: Someone came and kicked your grandfather out of his house and off the land he and his ancestors lived in for centuries. That house and land were to be passed down to your father and then to you and your children. It was your birthright. And now some oil company owns the land and is making millions and you live on a reservation where your grandparents were forced to relocate. So, instead of having the advantages that wealthy landowners have, you fight to survive in a much tougher place. Now tell me that what happened 100 years ago didn't affect you.
Indigenous people? Are you serious? America was settled first by Indians and then by Europeans. Conquering has happened over and over in history, in many countries. Read a text book, please. Before you freak out and name me a Nazi, I have Native American friends who would say the same. I agree that asking the country for an apology is like asking the people for an apology and I won't apologize for something that I didn't do.
This is something similar to the slavery issue. Both topics occurred long ago in our nation's history. I had no part in either one. Neither did the person in the article. I am not suggesting that either horrible truth about history is OK. I am simply saying that I had nothing to do with it.
To continue his analogy of the house....
I bought a beautiful house. I made it into my idea of what a good house should be. Suddenly, strangers appear at my door, demanding that I owe them something to be able to live in my house in peace. I said I do not know you. They said, they do not know me, but the people who lived in this house 400 years ago had a conflict with their ancestors, so I need to apologize or I will never hear the end of it. I apologize, not out of a sense of blame, just to put an end to it. Unfortunately, the following week, they were back. They brought others for me to apologize to, and this time, they expected my money as well.
The problem with these apologies is that they set the stage for lawsuits and litigation, especially in the example of slavery. When the people involved (oppressor and oppressed) are dead, then who should get a financial award and who should pay?
I had nothing to do with slavery or with the wrongs done against native Americans. Why should I have to directly or indirectly (thru taxes) pay.
I think a better way to approach this would be for congress to pass resolutions condemning historical figures who did these things. For example in the case of the Native Americans, I know Andrew Jackson is considered an evil man for what he did to them. Ok, let's acknowledge that officially. If someone wants to sue him, good luck.
Kristine, as an attorney, I am sure you would LOVE the litigation! That's why you're all for the apologies!
I agree. The apology should have come from our forefathers since they are the ones that offended. It does directly resemble the same kind of apology slavery ancestors expect. Why should any of us be held accountable when we were not even alive when it happened?
If your ancestor were to have killed someone, should we lock you up if he was never caught?
Larry, your comparison is a little off, because you didn't move into an empty house. You moved in and locked the current residents in the bedroom–them and their descendants.
Why should I feel guilty for Americans taking land from native Americans, enslaving Africans, or placing Chinese in camps during World War II? I wasn't alive then. Let's stop apologizing and feeling guilty for situations where the victims are long past and we committed nothing wrong. Move on!
As a African American I do not expect Uncle Sam will ever apologize for slavery. But when I don't stand for the national anthem, do not celebrate the 4th and diss the so-call "so-called founding fathers, don't waste my time and ask me why. You already know the answer.
You can look back in to every single culture and you will find slavery (horrible) doesn't matter if your Black, Asian, White or Brown every culture has been enslaved at some point. It was an economic thing, doesn't make it right but that is the fact.
What about your own people owning slaves? Why is it that we never hear about that?
You are truly a pathetic creature. You certainly have no problem reaping the benefits of living in America though do you? Since you are a sniveling and angry coward with nothing to contribute to our society, PLEASE LEAVE PERMANENTLY. This will free up air for a worthy person to breath.
Ditto on that!!! I am haven't celebrated a single holiday of European origin in over a decade and actively discourage other citizen's of African descent from celebrating these holiday's as well. A battle is only won until the last warrior stops fighting or until the resistence ceases... and so it continues. Apologies in general do me no good. I only accept apologies from someone who unintentionally does me a disservice, surely not from someone who had every intent on doing the disservice and certainly not from anyone who's raped, pillaged, and CONTINUES TO DO SO.
Man... I wipe my ass with the 4th. LOL!!!!
Are you planning to move back to Africa? You share all the good in this country but dishonor it too.
Many White men AND African Americans died so that you could enjoy this country. Civil War, World War 1, World War 2, Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan. You dishonor those brave and honorable African Americans as well as the White men who died. Did you go to Africa to fight against the Tutsies for all the Rwandans that they slaughtered and committed Genocide on????? Did you go fight in the civil war in Liberia which is a country created by former slaves from America? Have you gone to help the Haitians after the earth quake?? You are the worst kind of African American. You have no allegiance to anyone but yourself.
Let's pretend we're playing Monopoly, you, me, and two other people. On our first 10 trips around the board, three of us are allowed to collect $200 every time we pass Go. You are not. Three of us are allowed to buy properties. You are not.
On the 11th trip around the board, is it accurate to say things are equal now? Everything's square? What's past is past, and you shouldn't complain about where you're starting from? Stop being a victim?
It's easier and neater to just wash away what happened in the past and pretend it has no impact on today. But that's not really how life works.
Interesting Analogy, its a good thing the Choctaw Indians of Oklahoma realized that every time there was a new generation born, the game started AGAIN. We offer many services, including medical to indan tribes that the rest of the US do not get. The game has restarted many times so your analogy is a failure. The man in this article, lived in 'Denver and attended UCLA, so he clearly isnt seeing it as though he could NEVER catch up.. He's making CHOICES on how to live his life and doing so successfully.
That might be the best analogy I have ever heard for just about everything in life.
Your analogy is lacking in one important fact. After the first 10 turns, new players take over. No doubt it is unfair. So, some of the people with the advantage – not all of them, but some – recognize this and take what steps that they can in order to make things more fair. Then, after about 100,000 turns, I start to play, but someone comes up to me and demands that I apologize.
I am not suggesting that what happened is good in anyway. I am saying that I – a current citizen of this country – did not do anything wrong and definitely not to any Native American.
Can the US government hold you accountable for a murder your ancestor chose to commit but was never caught? Why?
You weren't alive at that time and did not take part in the crime.
Let's also note that the majority of white people in this country are not related to the first generations of Americans who actually committed the majority of atrocities against the Native Americans. The Germans, Irish, Italians, etc. all came well after the early British and French first came.
Stop whining. Your analogy is ridiculous. It's more like on the first turn you didn't get your money, my family wasn't even playing the game, and the British/French did pass go. Fine. But there have been 15 turns since that first turn with new players every time. STOP MAKING YOURSELF INTO A VICTIM.
Ms.C,,,You fail to also visit the Ghettoes in this country as well. Have YOU visited them? Have you donated your time and given to them? Or is it that you only offer other Indians a well wish. There are poor balck kids,poor white kids,poor Mexican kids etc,,, Tell ur friend to mention these people as well.
Jack Abramoff ..... the promise of a bright future for the American Indians Tribes ... a sad recurring event of oppression that history will continue to do in this great American land of opportunity .... All the politicians had their hands out for their share of Indian moneys and before it was the land.
The "natives" aren't natives either. They just got here way earlier.
Excellent point. That totally justifies genocide.
Exactly, I'm from the Mik Maq tribe (Nova Scotia) Native American's crossed the Bering Sea from Mongolia. Most people that always make crazy comments don't even know that.
AGAIN! A native is a descendant of those people who were FIRST to settle the land.
Who owned the land before the Indians? Did you apologize for taking it from them? Did you ask the Spaniards for an apology? The French ? The English who settled her fled persecution just like the peole who keep on coming today and will continue tomorrow. What do you mean Youre Land ? Who gave it to you?
No human beings occupied North America before the Indians. They were the first.
Hmmmmmmm, i dont think you can state that definitively as a fact. SCIENCE history says they migrated from Asia across the ice, so in effect wouldnt those people be foreigners as well?
Yea maybe depends on what your definition of an Indian is. Current archeology suggests that the earliest settlers known came from france 10-14k years ago not asia where it is believed most native americans migrated from and their still digging. this time next year we could find out that soemone else was here earlier.
'Hmmmmmmm, i dont think you can state that definitively as a fact.'
maybe not definitively but extremely unlikely to be anyone else. someone had to be first and how often would the opportunity to cross into what would become the US have arisen?
'Current archeology suggests that the earliest settlers known came from france 10-14k years ago'
do what now? source?
I admire your determination! Some parts of our reservation is comparable to a third world country, it stinks that none of the people in the US government in Washington DC never see our side of the country, or if they do and they choose to ignore it. I think that goes for most big reservations in the US. Thank you Mark! May God Bless you out there in Washindoon!
Take a lesson from the Choctaws.. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and get out and BUILD your tribe and the facilities of the tribe. Many tribes in Oklahoma are THRIVING.. Others in other parts of the country are doing the same. Its just not a valid argument anymore, "poor us" is an excuse now. I think we should go back and ask those that committed the atrocities to apologize to those they committed them against, wouldnt that make sense? But that is impossible isnt it? In our society, we hold the criminal accountable.. Should we hold the children accountable for the crimes of their parents? should we put them in jail or make them pay for damage done by their parents? NO, we dont do that.. THINK ABOUT IT!
'Should we hold the children accountable for the crimes of their parents? should we put them in jail or make them pay for damage done by their parents? NO, we dont do that.. THINK ABOUT IT!'
i dont see anyone asking for anyone to be put in jail. I see someone asking the authorities of a country, not a specific person within that country, to apologise for actions taken by that country.
Well I would like to say thank you Mr. Charles, and all native people, for letting me be in your house, and for all I've learned from you about loving nature, respect for all life, wilderness survival, music, courage, and love itself. Thank you, and I hope to meet you all someday.
Yeah me too. I love my chalet in the mountains....Thanks Indians
"We want an apology! We want an apology!"
"That's not good enough!!!"
Why is it that the above example always seems to be the case? Listen, the apology you want are from the people who are long since dead and buried. You aren't going to get it from them. So the next best thing you get is an apology from those who are currently in power, those who weren't responsible for the initial infractions you feel wronged by, and then, when issued that apology, that STILL isn't enough? Sounds to me that the hypocrisy of saying one thing and meaning another lies squarely on both sides of the fence. So be bitter and miserable...but also know you're just as hypocritical and even worse, you can't admit it.
You are so blind and (I'm sure) not being native you will never understand. So think before you speak- or write!
Sorry Ms. C, but I will have to agree with "Rolls Eyes". Humans have to apologize one another for a whole lot of things, but the apology is worthless if the ones apologizing do not participate in the ofending act, and do not share the views or sentiments of those that did.
African Americans, Jews, Hispanics, women, persons with disabilities, and even white caucasian immigrant populations want appologies, but if they get them, they will not be honest, hearth felt appologies, they will just be politically correct check-in-the-box acts.
What everybody should be demanding instead of an apology, should be that the new leaders enact laws that no longer tolerate what happened before. After all, we are all americans now, natives, and non-natives. This is our reality.
I am sorry we ever ate you wonderful harvest bounty on that first Thanksgiving Day. My whole family got disentary and with only one outhouse! Do you know how troubling that was for us? We will never forget that day and paybacks are a 'B'.
The people in power today are still reaping the benefits of the acts committed by their predecessors. Native Americans are still being victimized by the US government. Case law, upheld by the Supreme Court as recently as 2005, is still based on the Doctrine of Discovery, a concept that says christian nations "discovering" a non-christian nation have rights to the people and property of that nation.
Yes, they are owed an apology, and yes we need to change how we are treating them today.
Yea.. kicked the collective butt of a bunch of folks who couldn't get it together enough to invent the wheel.
reply to Norm:
Everything the european males ever discovered, created, invented, manufactured or built has been detrimental to the planet, to the environment and to all of the other living things on the planet. From hunting, fishing, farming, logging and mining to sailing, flying, roading and rocketing everything they have ever done has proven damaging or destructive in one way or another.
Your house analogy is beautiful, sir. Thank you, Mark Charles. Thank you Navajo Nation, and all native people. Too many sacrifices and sorrows were leveled on you.
Interesting! Yes we all should apologize for the way the natives were treated! We are sorry we took over your house. Come and join us in enjoying it.
"On the anniversary of the passing of the defense bill – Wednesday, December 19 – he would go to the Capitol and he would read the apology out loud, hoping that others would join him in his cause and that it would attract enough attention so that people would hear about it."
Could you say "would" a few more times in that paragraph, please.
Well, Thank You! Thank You for letting us be in your house. I was born into this house but am still capable of recognizing that it wasn't my own family's house to begin with. I have tremendous respect for indigenous people, both Native American and Hawaiian alike. There is no apology that could change much but it would make sense to go forward from a starting point and I believe an apology and a thanks is the least we could all do.
It also wasn't HIS "house" to begin with, either. American Indians, like our ancestors, moved here from elsewhere. They're related, distantly, to my kids, who are mixed race because my wife is from one of the Asian countries. They didn't start here, they're not "indigenous" in the way you and others seem to think they are. And as for the Romney link to "I won't apology for America" that had nothing to do with the U.S. govt and the American Indian, so it's an ignorant example to use. Other than that, sure, an apology for broken treaties, for some of the crappy way the Indians were treated back in the 1800s. Then after that, an apology from the American Indians for the horrible, horrible things they did to American settlers and their wives, children, too. Right?
I think their ancestors coming here 13,000 years ago is enough time to say they are indigenous to the Americas
"Thank you for letting us be in your house"
I thought ownership of the land was something they didn't believe in.
Actually, many did believe in ownership, but people just assume that because 1 tribe does, all the others do.
The silent majority of Americans understand far too well what the founding of America did to its native peoples.
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