By Moni Basu, CNN
(CNN) – Mark Krolikowski has shoulder-length brown hair. He likes to wear multiple earrings and French manicure his nails. Students call him Mr. K.
Krolikowski, 59, taught for 32 years at St. Francis Preparatory School, a 150-year-old Catholic institution in Queens, New York.
Until August. That's when the school laid him off.
He alleges that he was discriminated against because he is transgender and that the school's attitude toward him changed in the eight months after he came out.
He recently filed a lawsuit saying the school and its principal, Leonard Conway, broke the law with his termination and that as a result, Krolikowski has been distressed.
"Teaching - it's my life," Krolikowski said Friday. "I feel that has been taken away from me."
His lawyer Andrew Kimler said Krolikowski's case has "significant ramifications for the LGBT community and is a wakeup call to employers in terms of employment practices."
Conway would not comment but referred questions to his lawyer, Philip C. Semprevivo Jr.
Semprevivo said he could not discuss details of the case since it was in litigation but said Krolikowski was terminated legally.
"We deny all the allegations," he said.
In the meantime, former students of St. Francis launched an online petition that describes Krolikowski as a beloved and well-respected teacher and urges the school to apologize.
Cristina Guarino, who started the petition on Change.org, said Krolikowski always had a "feminine edge," though it was nothing shocking. Some students speculated on his sexuality and wondered whether he was gay.
"I really never questioned his gender identity despite his somewhat feminized looks," she said. "It just didn't seem to matter, and it never affected his teaching style or his opinions. He never imposed anything on us."
She said Krolikowski's sex education class called Human Sexuality and Love - one that he developed 15 years ago - was one of her favorites during her four years at St. Francis. Krolikowski's gender identity never was an issue in class, she said. He was the kind of teacher who told jokes and acted silly in class to make students feel more comfortable talking about sex.
"I still laugh to this day when I remember it. Mr. K was someone who brightened our lives,” Guarino said.
Krolikowski said he was overwhelmed by the show of support from his students.
"I didn't realize I touched that many people," he said. "It makes me feel that my teaching career was worthwhile."
Krolikowski began teaching at St. Francis in 1980. Aside from his regular classes, he volunteered to lead students in many extracurricular activities that included music, performance of school liturgies and an international night and graduation ceremony.
"I wore a lot of hats," he said.
His account of what happened to him is described in the lawsuit.
He says the school never questioned his abilities, loyalty or dedication to the Catholic faith. But that changed, according to him, in October 2011, when he was summoned to the principal's office to meet with Conway and Assistant Principal Patrick McLaughlin.
Krolikowski says he was informed then that a parent of a freshman student had complained about the teacher's appearance.
He admits his appearance is considered unconventional. But he said he always wore a suit and tie, and his personal grooming conformed to school standards. Former St. Francis students who have signed the petition agreed with that description.
But Krolikowski was asked to change his appearance after the complaint. That's when the teacher informed Conway and McLaughlin that he was transgender.
Krolikowski said in the lawsuit that he was then asked whether he would "appear as a woman" in the next school year and was told that he was "worse than gay." The school officials allegedly told Krolikowski that he could not be seen at public events.
The teacher wanted to remain at the school and said he would "tone down" his appearance by removing his earrings and French manicure.
He continued teaching his sexuality class and another called Social Justice that focused on people marginalized by poverty, race, ethnicity and sexual orientation. He says he received straight As on his next teacher observation form.
But at the end of the school year, in June, Krolikowski was summoned back to the principal's office. He was told, he alleges, that he had been insubordinate and that he had not changed his appearance enough to satisfy the school. Conway and McLaughlin relieved him of his duties and demanded a letter of resignation, Krolikowski says.
"I was shocked," he said Friday.
The lawsuit states that Krolikowski was unlawfully discriminated against because he did not conform to the school's perception of how a male should dress and act.
"His appearance hasn't changed very much, so no one understands why this happened," Guarino said. "It wasn't an issue for 32 years. Why is it a problem now? It seemed very sudden."
The termination, the lawsuit says, violates New York state and city law.
New York state's human rights law states that an employer cannot discharge an employee because of "an individual's age, race, creed, color, national origin, sexual orientation, military status, sex, disability, predisposing genetic characteristics, marital status, or domestic violence victim status."
Carmelyn Malalis, an LGBT workplace lawyer with Outten & Golden LLP in New York, said the law has been used to protect transgender people.
New York City's Human Rights Law prohibits discrimination in hiring and firing based on similar attributes but specifically mentions gender identity.
Krolikowski's story has made headlines. And the online petition has grown to about 3,000 signatures.
One post from David Burkard in Queens Village, New York, said this:
"We the students/alumni/ and staff of Prep are supposed to be good 'Christians' and that means not only going the extra step to be kind to others, but also that we must be accepting and loving to EVERYONE. Mr. K always spoke out about public injustices, both domestic and international, and by doing so proved to be one of the MOST 'Christian' persons I've ever met.
"You cannot just fire someone because they 'don't reflect the values you wish to instill,' when clearly they do. The act of firing Mr.K has proved to me that the establishment is quite plainly ignorant, insensitive, and most importantly hypocritical. I was once a proud Terrier, but now I can honestly say I'm ashamed."
God is dead.
I want to shake the hand of they guy that shot him.
Well you are in good company with other men who thought God was dead...Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Idi Amin, Mao TSE Tung,
Pol Pot, Kim Jong, Il..
more hate. disgusting.
No Troll you are dead (inside). God is very much alive, & one day soon you will meet him & be ashamed of your ignorant statements. Don't knock what you don't understand, it does not make you look smart or cool.
I wouldn't want that weirdo anywhere near my children.
I wonder if the students have to follow a particular dress code? In a public school near me, there was recently a big fuss about a young man who refused to cut off his ponytail; he was threatened with expulsion. I'm only saying that if they have a written dress code for students and faculty and he violated it, then he shouldn't be surprised. If there is not such a policy in writing, then I'm curious to see what will come of this when it's no longer under litigation and the school will be able to present their side.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you and don't be shocked when you know your (recent) actions are completely contrary to your employer's mission statement. What if the guy in the next cubicle decides his longterm and formerly private nudist lifestyle needs to be carried out in public at the office?
irrelevant, illogical, and an argument only an idiot would make.
@CommonSense...actually it's not a dumn comment at all. It's an extreme end of the spectrum but you can't debate one part without including it all. I'd think a common sense person would know that and not resort to name-calling.
Yes it is illogical. Being nude in public IS against the law in most places. Mr. K's "behavior" was in no way illegal. Because the nudist example is actaully outside the realm of the law, it cannot be considered into the argument.
It is disgusting that the school laid him off. I hope that the school gets in a lot of trouble for this and that Mr. K gets his job back.
Let's keep church & state seperate right? Until it hurts someone's feelings....look in the mirrror hypocrites.
Religion hold on society is quickly crumbling. I love it. Religious, especially christians, are creepy. How can you adults tell other adults how to live? Soon christians will be outcasts and women, gays, men of all rays of the human spectrum can live in peace.
Amen to that.
Same way you athiests try to invoke YOUR "values" on Christians. God save us!
Our "values" are universal truths not outdated beliefs.
As someone below posted: Hate and discrimination are not values.
Yeah if only those other groups could learn to get along with each other first.
Can Christians live in peace in your world too?
The issue, in my mind, is that they kept him on for thirty years. I'd support the school's right to hire those that they felt supported it's values (and not hire those they did not), but thirty years? The teacher was right to be "shocked". He also appears to have been an outstanding teacher, but talent always fails against dogma.
The teacher should have to follow the same dress code for the students. If the boys had to wear their hair a certain way, was unable to wear earrings, etc, Mr. K should be held to the same standards. Plus, once he 'toned down' his look, did the school ever say to him, "it's not enough" ? I think that most of us know that the real reason he was fired really didn't have much to do about his appearance. That being said, since this is a school that has a religious base, I'm not sure if Mr. K is going to be successful with a lawsuit.
The school is wrong on this one, but he shouldn't be working in a place that hates him.
It's like a Black person complaining because the KKK kicked him out.
Wrong or not, depending on who you ask, I'm not sure if Mark will have much of a case with a private school. Technically private schools can hire based on whether or not the individual in question reflects the school's mission statement. Hopefully Mark's talents will be utilized at a public school.
"I don't agree with your lifestyle" doesn't equal "hate". or "I don't agree with your definition of marriage" doesn't equal "hate" either. Freedom is being able to speak and express your beliefs.
Yeah, and I don't agree with your skin color. Not hate at all.
Live and let live. Guns should be kept out of schools and so should those who fail to live by the laws of the land. cfa
p.s. I wonder if this could also happn in other Countries; i.e. Canada?
Not so much. See, people in most of the world are not the A holes we are here. If this is what our culture is being reduced to, I'll turn in my citizenship
Religion at work yet again ladies and gentlemen. Still care to put your faith in such a hate filled society? Let go already. Denounce religion as it should be. I did as a 12 year old 12 years ago upon discovering it's disgrace of an existence set behind lies upon mythology upon more lies. Surely adults can be intelligent enough to realize religion is a disgrace to mankind...right?
Are you sure age 12 is the point to make important religious decisions?
I agree. The Bible warns about religion as well. It was never mandated by God. The only law is love, with this one law everything else falls into place...<
Start and end your day with prayer, go to church regularly, donate generously to church whenever possible, spread the word of our Lord everywhere and be assured of a seat in heaven. Let not anything else distract you. Our Lord is waiting for you with open hands if you be a good Christian like I mentioned in my first line above.
How can you say that after this article?
Although I am against this nonsense concerning the litigation against the catholic school, I do still think that this really isn't the place to say those kinds of things even if they are meant for good.
Relgious liberty, is freedom from your irrational thought process. There are good medications and great therapy for your delluded though process. Get help, you can do it little guy.
You sound like a big creep giving a plug-in for Christianity. You're not helping your side (Christians) look credible in these moral/societal issues.
You forgot: Show disgust and superiority over anyone you do not approve of.
Carotta: You be careful man, hell is not a good place to be. Our Lord is watching you spew your hatred for his organization. Be afraid, be very afraid.
The amount of hate here is ridiculous. Christians, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You are all becoming just as bad as WBC. Jesus didn't teach hate, he taught love. Being Christian means you're supposed to be christ-like. I can't associate myself, ever, with people who vomit hate like you do. "Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged" Matthew 7:1
What a prejudice thing to say!!! The freakin school didn't do anything to insult or hurt the teacher!! They just laid him off!! It is that teacher who is overreacting and misinterpreting the school's decision as an act of discrimination.
Firing based on appearance and orientation isn't insulting?! I don't know how you can argue that especially since the school seemed fine with for the previous 30 years!
this dude knew he was transgender and working at a catholic school for him to act "shocked" is total crap. he had to have known his firing was coming if the school told him that someone reported him. he even said he would turn down his "gayness" so to speak. he gave in to their demands further validating the report that his appearance was very gay. how a teacher presents his or her or in this case itself is very important in a school. children are very impressionable. the school has the right to choose who they want working. he will most likely not win his lawsuit because he is going to be fighting a private school. (catholic schools are in the private sector in education), who will have more money and better lawyers to deal with this as opposed to a public school that wont have as good of resources.
Why he was employed since 80? As a former catholic I can attest to intolerance in the church. the guy deserves millions, hope he gets it.
The guy was employed there for 30 years and now the school suddenly gets cold feet and fires him? Any fault is with the school.
Yeah, my Roman Catholic Church never hires gays, right? Gimme a break.
No they just hire pedophiles, and when they get caught......these sickos get sent to another church to molest other children, and so on and so on. Wake up people.
I pray that he wins this lawsuit.
his lawsuit wont see the light of day
Its on the CNN Front page and the suit has been accepted and filed. Let there be light.
Yes it will and has in the past. His law suit is against the church and it’s a gay discrimination........he'll win, and win big. I know someone in my town that was a professor at a collage and he was fired because he was gay, he proved it (The College of St. Scholastica, Duluth MN) and he won big. I think that was in the 80’s.
So this guy will win, and he should. We all live on the same planet, we need to accept one another and move on with our lives. Discrimination is the ‘monkey wrench’ in the progression of humanity.
Me too, I pray he wins a lot of money.
I consider myself fairly liberal, but I think they had a right to fire him. Many Christian schools do not approve of transgendering oneself. Given that this is a church-affiliated school, if by his life he rejects their ethical views, then they should have the right to fire him. Otherwise it works against their whole reason for having a school in the first place.
Sue One does not "transgender oneself". This individual has likely been transgender from birth or early childhood and struggled to feel comfortable with the body he was born with. The school in acting on its Christian mission should have treated him with compassion not derision.
Don't be silly, after 30 YEARS.. because one student's parent who is intolerant? I hope he get's millions. He deserves it.
You got "fairly" right. This is yet another example of employer over reach. That, and we should revoke their tax free status.
Thanks for reminding us that religions are often the last holdouts of hate and prejudice. Religion has done so much damage in this world it is difficult to quantify.
It looks horrendous.
What is important is our Lord in heaven does not approve this Gay lifestyle. This is immoral, unnatural and above all against our Lord's wishes. We need to rid this country of all the LGBT population because this is causing a decay in our moral, Christian values we built this country on.
It's christianity that has cursed America with moral decay. We had to fight christians to end slavery, to give women equal rights, to prevent gays from being imprisoned. Every foothold of theirs we loosen, is a step toward progress and a fair civil society.
"Christians" were on both sides of the fence on slavery. Some of the greatest abolitionists were christians. Even outside of our country, men like Wilbur Wilburforce were stauch christians who wrangled and fought for slaves to be free. I would dare to say that religion gets used as an excuse for men's vices and causes in most instances.
GOD doesn't like self righteous or smug and you appear to be both.
Watch out for those lightning bolts!
Kevin boy- I am sure you will be a little uncomfortable in hell-fire. Our Lord has an eye on you. Be afraid, very afraid.
GO-GOOP Have you sought help for your dellusions? Please do This is No and turn in your guns, mentally ill people are not allowed to have them.
Our "LORD" created all of us, our "LORD" loves us all. Doubt you will be meeting "OUR LORD".
Niether will you, he doent exist.
You'd think if god felt that strongly about it, he'd have made it a commandment. Alas, even in your fantasy world, he did not. He did however strictly outlaw coveting and adultery. Why dont you be a good lil christian and go rally support against those folks?
Does your "lord in heaven" approve of hate and discrimination?
I could be wrong GO-GOP bit I get the strong feeling you don't believe a word of what you are posting. I think you are just pretending to be a Christian to get others to hate Christians.
Your judging is not helping the cause of people of faith. You do not know how our Lord works, or why people are the way they are. If you were so perfect, you would not be here. The Earth is a place for learning & growing so we can develop a relationship with the Lord Jesus. This world is a training ground & a starting point so we can eventually get back to the garden.
I support LGBTQ rights, but I don't get how this person can be surprised that a bigoted group would fire them. I don't think it's right, but you can't be shocked when a group with such closed minds reacts exactly as you'd expect their small bigoted brain to do.
I find it funny that people are focusing on what a few people did and making a generalization about the school and the people that go there. But completely ignore the students how are most likely part of the same religous group and are showing the compassion and love that their faith calls for.
The kids parents make the decisions, not the kids. Which I agree with...
I saw let the Catholics teach the way they want to, because those children are in for a rude of waking when they step into the real world. I guess they never realized religion is a faith not what you dress like, the bible never told someone how to dress, society as social norms and they pick and choose what ones they live by. What he does on his own time is really up to him and not on that school. How many of those christian parents drink or neglect church on sundays for football. ever go to a church? its quiet, but if you watch them watch football they root for their team like no other. I thought you were supposed to be loud for god? How about before you start sweeping someone elses porch you sweep your own :) the world is changing and so can you without loosing your faith. Its a human right to be who you are. I bet you would rather have a pedophile priest then a Mr.K blahahaha idiots!
Actually, yes, the Bible does tell you how to dress and does say that it's wrong to be gay. The teacher is gay and came out to the Catholic school administration. It doesn't take a genius to see that it probably wasn't a great idea to do that. They aren't going to change their worldwide religion of a billion people to accommodate him. He had zero common sense.
And before the little minds start in, I'm an atheist- not a Christian. But in this country, at least for now, people have the right to practice their religion, and this religion doesn't include gay and transgender people.
The teacher is transgender not gay. The bible DOES NOT say anything about gayness except in the minds of sick people who interpret the bible incorrectly – doesn't it say incest is best too? Gosh you people are sick.
"You cannot just fire someone because they 'don't reflect the values you wish to instill,' when clearly they do."
Deuteronomy 22:5 – A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.
You can't pick and choose the values you are supposed to reflect as a Christian. " For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it." (James 2:10)
...for all of it is not true and one should exercise caution when navigating a book of ignorance and wisdom combined. The bible is but a book, written by men who lived in a barbaric time indeed.
You have no idea that all previous generations were barbaric you are just making assumptions you cannot prove. If according to the Bible people once lived to be 900 years old, I think you could have been a pretty advaced civilization with that much time on your hands. Perhaps more than ours.
really? Do we want to really bring out bible verses? There are some that I think MOST Christians in America seem to be ignoring.
I can pull out the bible verse that says we should stone to death women that aren't virgins when they marry. I don't suppose your wife was a virgin or you either. Let's start stoning again. I kind of miss doing that.
You're totally picking and choosing by picking that passage. Do you also refuse to cut your hair, never eat shellfish, or mix meat and milk? Thought so. Not to mention Jesus taught about loving everyone...
"You can't pick and choose the values you are supposed to reflect as a Christian"
Yea, like you guys don't do that every single day. The only difference is this poor guy is in a small enough minority that you can get away with your bigotry. Notice how harsh you are on adulturers and divorcees? You tolerate that just fine because that group is too large for your morally bankrupt organization to lose.
So how do all of these Women go about wearing blue jeans. Never was this done for thousands of years and ever since the last few decades I see it everywhere. Womens in blue jeans makes God very very angry and if a woman teacher shows up to teach school in blue jeans she should be fired, right?
The first gentile convert to Christianity was transgender: the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8. In particular, eunuchs were denied access to the temple because of their damaged genitals. The Christian response by Philip is to ignore this bizarre & outdated impediment by baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch. The Catholic church should do the same: learn to stop confusing the confines of culture with God's law, and open its doors to all.
Eunuchs are not transgender. A man who has his genitals cut off is still a man.
Yeah... kind of misunderstanding the definition of a eunuch. You may want to look at their history too. A famouls little epigram:
"Do you ask, Panychus, why your Caelia only consorts with eunuchs? Caelia wants the fruits of marriage – not the flowers."
There are no religions that are capable of fully and accurately interpreting spirit and it's divine mystery. Man is but a fool to believe there is.
I believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints can and have accurately interpreted the Spirit. You should invest some time in researching and listening to their teachings, then you will understand the Spirit. They truly are marvelous if you open your heart to them.
how wrong you are you just have to know where to look the eunuch in the bible he said he didn't know but Phillip showed him because he was ordain to do so
Hey LDS – If god wanted Joseph Smith to spread the word of what was on those magic gold plates, why did god take them away so soon? And why were they written in a language only Smith could read? And do you really believe that you will be given your own universe to rule someday, just like Jesus? Doesn't that strike you as just a bit arrogant? Use your critical thinking skills and you'll soon realize that LDS, like the other Christian churches, is all man-made.
Becoming like Christ is not all that absurd of an idea. In Romans 8:16-17 it states the following: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
The removal of the plates from the possession of Joseph Smith is a simple one, the world isn't ready for that revelation yet. There are some things that we are not supposed to understand in this life. They were not in a language that only he could read either. He took them to professor to verify the translations, this man confirmed the correct translation but decided not to add his support because he did not believe that Joseph saw God the Father and his Son and that the angel Moroni led him to discover the plates.
I promise you that if you study the Gospel of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints it will forever change your life. We have living prophets today who communicate with God and can trace their priesthood authority directly back to Jesus himself.
You are a hard one to read Jaybird, however I agree with this eloquent statement...:)
He was not a eunech. That was a mistranslation of a word meaning cupbearer.
eunuchs chose to be eunuchs because that is the only men that the king would let around his Queen
Stories like this are a vital part of social change. Change starts slowly, then picks up momentum, then it "goes viral". I bet that that the Catholic Church will be half of its size in my lifetime and/or it will reverse some of its positions.
Guess again. It's only grown over the millennia, and it remains a powerful force both politically and spiritually. A few social fads aren't going to topple it, hon.
Catholic and christian numbers in the US are declining faster than ever. Less than 18% attend a church regularly. Less than 75% claim to believe in a christian god. Those numbers drop every year, and have for the last 20 years. When christians were persecuted in history, as the small minority, they always fought for justice, equality and the desire to be left alone to thier practices. Funny, that when they achieved a measure of power and influence, they did to others what was once done to them.
I will not allow my child to be taught by a man who come to class wearing earrings and have french manicures. It is not a matter of equality. It is that I would want my child to be exposed to a moral code of my own choosing until he/she is in college and is able to decide independently. If Mr. K. wanted to teach in a private Catholic school then he should not come out as a transgender. There is a place for him in public schools. He should have control his impulses.
Yeah, but you will be dead soon and your children will raise their children differently. Eventually, people won't be afraid of people who are wired differently from them.
It's always been amazing to me that the religious, who say every day how morally correct they are, are the most venomous and evil people. The same ones who worship a character who loved all, are the first ones to hate all. There is no hope for the human race.
Hopelessness lies within the religious heathens' interpretations of spirit. There are some who do not subscribe to ignorant religious interpretations but adhere to righteousness and wisdom.
But... you hating religious people is perfectly OK? Nice.
I will not allow my children to be exposed to ass holes like you. It goes against gods law.
Your children will encounter all sorts of people in their lives, who dress in all sorts of different ways. Don't you think it would be healthier for them to learn that people are people, regardless of what they look like? By limiting what kind of people your children are exposed to solely based upon the way they look and dress, you're not preparing them for what they'll encounter in the real world. Wearing earrings and getting manicures doesn't make a woman a bad person; why would it make a man one? It's high time we stop recognizing gender as a defining characteristic. Gender is just a physical characteristic like any other, which some people are more comfortable with others. Some people choose to lose weight; others choose to change genders.
I'd have to agree. That's why people spend their money to send their kids to a school like that. Unlike the little minds who assume that those parents are evil because they don't think exactly the way they do, I can see that they have the right to put their kids in the kind of environment that they want. For them, this isn't he environment they want. With him gone, it will be. It's pretty simple, really.
@Florist. Fine. This teacher has been employed at that school, with glowing reviews from everyone, apparently, for 32 years. One freshman's parents complained. Solution is easy enough. Freshman takes his/her bigoted parents and gets the heck out of that school. Better for everyone, including the other students.
Yes, because the quality of a teacher is totally dependent on thier piercings and manicure habits. You guys are so short sighted its amazing you dont trip over yourself when standing up.
And yet the kids in his class respect him enough to stand up for him as a HUMAN BEING, which is more than we can say about you.
Fear is the reason they let Mr. K go. Fear of losing future tuition from intolerant catholic parents. Fear of publicly supporting and accepting a teacher who doesn't fit the perfect Prep image (perhaps another negative financial impact). So after 32 years of devoted service with a stellar teaching record and reputation, Mr. K was kicked to the curb for being different. Unfortunately, as a former student, I can only reiterate what has become the motto for the Alumni Group (approx 3000 members) supporting Mr. K on FB ..."I was taught not to judge by those who judge."
Hopefully, you and all of your classmates will stop giving to the school and the Catholic Church. Hopefully, you won't raise your own kids to subscribe to their nonesense and give them money. It will take a few more generations, but the Catholic Church will either change or it will dwindle.
Good luck getting hired dude.
He will find a job. He lives in New York, the most diverse place on the planet. Why he would devote his energies to the Catholic Church and kids who woudl be educated by the Catholic Church is a mystery to me.
The sad thing is that some right-wing idiots will come out in support of the school. They will make huge donations to show their support of the school doing this. The school will wind up with more donations from firing him than they will pay out in a settlement to him, and way more than they will lose from alums refusing to donate anymore. Organized religion is toxic.
Actually, the school will be supported by those of that religion. Their political affiliation doesn't matter. I assure you, it is OK for people to think differently than you do. The kind of vitriol being spewed here against Catholics is disgusting. As an atheist I could put up with that religion for about three seconds, it isn't me that belongs to the church and supports it. Not everyone has to be exactly like me. It's ok for some people to believe things that you don't. I promise.
I was raised Catholic, even went to a Catholic college. I can assure you I know just as much about the dogma as you do. And there will be non-Catholics who support the school in light of this. Yes, there are politics involved in this. It's totally okay for people to believe things other than me. AND it's totally okay for me to disagree with you. I promise.
Crimsoninok: ahahahahahahahaha!! What. A. Neanderthal.
If you want to see creepy look in the mirror you bigot.
its a private religious school....good luck suing as you have no ground whatsoever to stand on
Not in New York state, brainiac.
I'd rather be gay than Catholic.
I read the article and most of the posts on here. I am so happy to be a part of the world, I only have one question to ask. Of the freshman parent that complained" if your child were to become ill and the only healthy blood to save his life came from Mr K. what would you choose to do?"
Ahhhhh I love the world.
I'd rather not have the blood of someone with a mental disorder. And you mean Mrs K?
Mr. K there should have taken everything into consideration before becoming transgendered and out at work. Everyone has to. Nice try, Mr. K. Nice try.
this is the same old story u find in public schools...the teacher is ALWAYS wrong no matter what the facts...schools are soooo afraid of being sued or attracting attention because of a student or parent complaint that they will railroad any teacher no matter how great they are... the education system in this country is a bust...if this person were a coach on a winning team they would still have their job..but teach a real class and someone complains..you are out the door.. i hope the teacher sues and wins several millions of dollars...more teachers should and hopefully put a stop to this
St. Francis is a private school.
If you are referring to the Principal, I would agree.
Based on the posts from former students on here, it appears that the students embraced the values and example of kindness, gentleness and love of the marginalized that the Franciscans imbued into this school over 150 years. They obviously came to love and respect this teacher for the inner beauty and values that he brought to the school for 32 years – the same values which most likely inspired the Brothers to hire him in the first place. It is a shame that a secular administration can undue 150 years of the work and spirituality of the Franciscans in such a relatively short period of time.
Secular? I must be missing something. No where in this article, nor anything I can find, suggests that the administration at the school is anything but Catholic, as it has been since it's inception; Being that the school is a Private Prep School.
To be honest, in firing him, the administration is upholding Catholic views, not secular ones. A truly secular administration wouldn't have even bothered asking him to change his attire, much less fire him for it.
I get that you don't agree with what happened here, but please don't sneakily blame anyone except the true culprit: Religion.
When I say "secular" I am referring to the fact that the Principal is not longer a Franciscan Brother – the ones who founded the school and imbued the students with the wonderful values that are now coming to light as they defend this teacher. The Brothers (I believe) are the ones who hired this teacher when they were in total control of the values and spirituality of the school. The people who are defending this man are Catholics (and part of religion) as well. There are good and bad in all religions.........sadly the leadership frequently reflects the bad. I do not believe, however, that was true of the Franciscans who obviously instilled great values in the students and alumni who are now defending this teacher.
I just realized that many do not know that in Catholic parlance, anybody who is not part of a religious order (like the Franciscan Brothers, for example) are referred to as "secular." Even diocesan priests (the usual priest in a parish) are actually referred to as "secular clergy" because they do not belong to a religious order. The Brothers, on the other hand, were not considered "clergy." They were referred to as "lay brothers" or part of the laity. A "religious priest" would be one that belongs to a religious order such as the Franciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, etc. Sorry for the confusion.
Dorothy - Anyone who is not part of the clergy is called a lay person, not secular. Secular means having nothing to do with religion.
Sorry Silence, you are wrong on that. There are religious priest and secular priest. Secular priest are those that do not belong to a religious order. That is common parlance within the church. Believe me, I know that for sure. Both are part of the clergy, but one is secular and the other is religious.
BTW, silence, if you don't trust me as a source (which why would you.....you don't know me from Adam) just google "secular priest" and you will see from multiple web sites (including ecclesiastical ones) that the definition I give is correct.
What lesson would you be teaching them?
Don't be transgender? I'm confused by what you mean.
Also, throwing stones at someone is very middle eastern... try and be mature.
What we have in our presence is the single living being in the universe who is 'without sin' and carries a bag of rocks everywhere they go. Be kind, this person must be tired from carrying the weight of all that hate throughout their life.
Very nice. Former students like you have obviously embraced the Franciscan values under which this school was founded. Sadly, it does not appear as though the current secular administration has embraced the values of the founding Brothers.
Well said! Bigots begone!
We're all pink inside. Only religions sees differences in one species. Let the person teach.
So if someone is degrading blacks or whites or Mexicans...then we presume they are religious, eh?
That makes no sense. Motion denied.
You'd be more likely to be right than wrong with this approach.
Gotta love these religious bigots. They are the worst. And the Catholics are such hypocrites – who are they to judge people when they have a Nazi pope.
Actually, Ted, most of the students and alumni who are defending Mr. K are Catholics (good Catholics) who have embraced the Franciscan values that they were taught.
LOL, that's funny. They judge him, you judge them. Guess that'll fix their wagons.
Ted, glad to see you haven't stooped to the same level of judgemental self-righteousness. Oh wait...
So Ted, you get it right? youre judging others because THEY judged someone.... Let me ask you something.. Did Jesus Christ ACCEPT the money changers in front of the temple? NO, he shouted at them, and overturned their tables.. WHY? Because they were doing wrong, they were harming the innocent people.. This Transgender is harming innocent children by confusing them.. Its that simple, nobody hates him, we just would like to see our children have good role models, and this is not one of them. He might be a great person, but that does not mean he is a great role model.. He brings confusion and incorrect ideas to these children and parents at a Christian faith based school should be able to decide who the teachers are, especially if they drastically change their lifestyle in front of the kids..
Interestingly enough, the money changers to which you refer were actually the accepted temple establishment of the time who embraced the narrow values of the time......much like the Principal in this situation. I think Jesus, St. Francis, and the Brothers who hired this teacher 32 years ago would be "overturning the desks" of the principal in this story.....not the teacher.
Its a private school. If it was at a private Baptist school it wouldn't be an issue. But because it's a Catholic school, it's all of a sudden CNN news. A private school can essentially fire a teacher for whatever reason they wish. Right, wrong, or otherwise, the school felt it created a disturbance. They have a right to operate as they wish. Separation of Church and State works both ways. I'm not even Catholic, but that is how private schools work.
Private or not....you still can't break the laws of the state.
And you can't use an emotional argument to win a court case. The school is private. There is no evidence of what Mr. K is saying, other than his word. That is hearsay in a court of law, and inadmissible as evidence. The school claims that they fired Mr. K for different reasons. Can you disprove that with facts? I can't. The school can say he was fired for a litany of as you call them "state law" approved reasons. I feel for Mr. K. I think people of all orientations should be treated equally. But using an emotional argument to start another witch hunt against the Catholic church just because it has had its respectability destroyed is not going to win Mr. K any compensation.
Sam – His most recent teach evaluation prior to his termination does not support any deficiencies....including insubordination.
@Sam – You're privy to all the evidence?
Obviously you never went to law school, or else you didn't make the first year cut.
1. Private companies are subject to federal, state and local laws.
2. Testimony of a party to a lawsuit is an exception to the hearsay rule. The Plaintiff will be there in court to be cross-examined, and he will not be repeating a statement of a third party, but admissions of his party opponents.
3. After 37 years with great performance reviews, they has better scramble to come up with a good reason for his termination. One parent's bigoted complaint will not suffice.
In a "hire and fire at will" state like Florida, yes. In New York state, no.
I don't care if you are gay, straight, bi, black, blue or green. Even if you are a teacher of my kids. It seems like he's a great guy. But if you choose to teach in a school that follows certain principles and values, please don't be surprised that being transgender is not ok. Catholicism is one of the least tolerant religions in the world (I was raised catholic).
I honestly cannot be upset. He chose to work in a school, knowing what principles they believe in. I'm sure he'll find a different job.
Oh yes, because the Westboro Baptist church is Catholic. And various Baptist Churches still don't allow interracial marriage. Just because a Church doesn't agree with you, doesn't make it "intolerant" you saying that it does makes you seem intolerant yourself. You disagree. Fine. But saying one Church is worse than others in terms of acceptance is a arbitrary argument.
............32 years..................this isn't news to the school, so there's something else going on here.
As it says in the story, he came out as transgendered 8 months ago. So obviously, after 32 years, that's what's going on here.
Agreed. Someone doesn't suddenly become transgendered, so his teaching at this school knowing what their views on such things were (as per magdavolk's post) has no bearing. He continued being a valuable asset to the faculty and students, which was shown in his evaluations, so the only thing left is discrimination. People are treated like dirt everyday, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
Being Catholic himself, it's most likely when he took the job that he didn't even admit to himself that he was transgendered.
A photo taken on "her" last day?.... Uh, pretty sure that's a dude.
The "her" in the photo caption refers to the female student in the picture. Guess you flunked English and grammar.
Last day refers to the student last day, not Mr K's.
You're right!!!!! Fire that Principal now!
That's a really sweet innocent picture. You can tell that girl loves and looks up to her teacher. It's a shame we can't all be as non-judgmental as she is. It would be a much different, much better world.
It needs to be locked up in a mental hospital. It is likely very dangerous. It should not be left around children.
I assume you are referring to the Principal?
I don't think that school has any priest in it.
Hopefully there will be a gay continent one day and we can put you on it with all the transwhatevers.That way you can all preach your wacked out ideas together and leave the rest of us in peace.
Based on just how he looks? If that were the basis for locking teachers up we'd lock half of them up and most likely we'd lock you up.
So what does a normal person look like? Do we fire any female teacher that has hair growing on her upper lip?
I don't remember growing up with male teachers with french manicures and hoop earrings teaching me...
A pronoun requires an antecedent for clarity. You obviously didn't learn much in your writing class...did you have a nice straight "teacher"?
Many posters did not even read the article. The real issue was not that he was teaching about a transgender "lifestyle" or even dressing inappropriately, it was about prejudice against the perception of transgender individuals. If he had not been honest, he most likely would not have been fired.
Real life Mr. Garrison
Come on!, ...This "Thing" wants to get paid for being a freak! No child should be exposed to this! Disgusting!
Spoken like a true god fearing christian.
And your ignorance of transgender issues makes you a greater danger to society than almost anyone else. Get a little education about the issue before acting the part of a fool. The law disagrees with your viewpoint and most of society disagrees with your viewpoint. You are the problem not Mr. K. BTW, your post borders on hate speech which IS against the law. Unfortunately, ignorance and trolling is not. Hopefully, Mr. K will be able to return to his job and the principle will find himself unemployed.
New Yorkers' tax dollars are paying for THIS?!!!
No, they're not. If you read closely, you'll notice that the government's only involvement is the law it passed. This is a private school being sued by a private citizen using private lawyers.
No, it is a private school. They can make whatever rules they wish. If he doesn't like it, then go to a public school. While I feel sorry for him, he has no basis to sue.
Then as a private business owner I can make up my own rules? Pay will be reduced to $1.25/hour, if you are late or miss a day of work you're fired, if you smoke you're fired, if you ride a loud Harley you're fired. Hey, I'm liking this! Oh, and anybody who is named Sam or is related to anyone named Sam, well, you're fired too.
See picture above! He doesn't look like a woman. Costume is a mens' suit. He agreed to loose the earrings. Lots of men wear earrings. Popes outfit looks feminine to me, but I'm not Catholic so I have no opinion on right or wrong. Students support him. Good teachers needed badly, leave him alone!
The Franciscan Brothers who hired him 32 years ago felt he was a good hire then and had no problem with him over his tenure with the school. It would seem that the only "bad hire" here was the secular principal who apparently has little understanding of the Franciscan's love for God's anawim.
What is wrong with society? If you legalize gay marriage you have to prepare to teach about the transgender culture to your children. They must work and pay taxes. So firing a person is not the solution, teaching acceptance is the solutuion. Why? becausee the more they come out of the closet the more they look for quick avenues to become rich and the present administration we are under is no HELP they encourage this type of behavior from people who are fired just as any other person would be if they were not gay or transgendered and a reasonalble decision was their to terminate them.
The clothes don't make the man. Sorry, if your lifestyle is defined by wearing certain clothes, it seems pretty shallow to me. Who you are is NOT defined by your garb. I cannot wear T-shirts to work. WOE IS ME. I CANNOT EXPRESS MYSELF. I AM BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.
Oh, T-Shirts aren't a lifestyle? I'd reckon there are more lazy people other there than transgendered. Are we not a lifestyle, are we not a political group?
Again – I'm very liberal. But there is a difference between personal rights and personal preference.
He's wearing a suit and tie! That is fairly conventional.
Dorothy – honestly my post is in response to other posts, not really the article. Mr. K sounds like some teachers I had, I don't begrudge him anything – I just think it's silly that **some** people's response is to overwhelmingly state it is never ok to set rules of social conduct, if it might offend any person.
Stefan – If the guy is within the written dress code then he should be left alone. He apparently was and has been within the dress code for the past 32 years. The Franciscan Brothers that hired him 32 years ago most likely knew that he was unconventional then and had no problems with it. For a secular principal to come in and take issue with it 32 years later is over the top.
Stefan, I get what you're saying, but I don't think it relates to this case. There was never ANY issues with this particular teacher for 32 years. One parent complains, school says tone it down, he does and is fired anyway. I think he was trying to conform and it didn't matter because the administration had already made up its mind to let him go. Dress codes are normal in society, in business, but I don't think that's what the argument is about.
What does your comment have to do with the article? He was not fired for job performance issues, he was fired because of straight up discrimination.
"I didn't realize I touched that many people," he said. <– probably not the greatest statement to make while working in a school
Omigod you should like totally write for Jay Leno or something lol hahaha and so on and so forth.
God created man in his own image, male and female he created them.
Wow.....so this is one of God's greatest creations.......he has a little of both.
I´m not religeous at all, but I would guess that "God" made transgendered people transgendered, because he/she
wanted them EXACTLY that way. Good luck, Mrs Krolikowski!
If they don't want him to wear his transgender garb to school, they need to have that as part of their uniform policy. Employers DO have the right to enforce uniform policies. Looks like a lot of them will need to do that since people can't use common sense and be professional when they are at WORK. Just for the record, I respect the right of all people to make their own choices and their own lifestyle, but not to demand to do so with my children at school. School is a job, not a place to make a statement about your personal life.
So anatomically born women can wear the same stuff he does, but because he has a phallus in between his legs it's unacceptable? Seems like you're the one who's uncomfortable here... because I don't see, logically, how him wearing earrings affects his role as an educator. And his students agree.
Did you read the article? It says that he wore a suit and tie to school!!!!!! In a religion where the head guy wears red prda shoes and its clergy run around in red hats and capes, that sounds fairly conservative to me!
Is it wrong to ask people to keep their personal life to themselves? What if all teachers decide to show off their shoulder tattoos or butt cheek tattoos?
You are correct. I am extremely liberal – but I wear standard work acceptable clothes every day. I don't want to wear a tie, it's uncomfortable – so what is the difference between me and Mr. K? What if I made the case that it was philosophically, or spiritually uncomfortable for me? You have to draw the line somewhere.
Mr. K, when you are not at work, do what you want. Be with another man, wear a dress, I don't care. I'll buy you a beer at the bar. But when you are work, you have to meet the general standard others do. This is not discrimination.
After 32 years it most certainly is. They cannot fight against their own history with him. Any court of law will see right through their complaints. They shot themselves in their own foot, so to speak.
Did you not read the story, or are you a hypocritical bigot like the school that fired this teacher?
What if tomorrow I should decide that I was meant to be born a superhero?
I'd come to work dressed as Spider-Man, and anyone that had a problem with me pretending I was something else would simply be a bigot!
because that's as ridiculous as this argument sounds. We're dealing with choice and fantasy, not a burden this man was born with.
No really... did you just type that? Seriously?! He not wake up and CHOOSE to be a superhero, because that's well...stupid. He was born the way he is. But go ahead... be a super hero, because that is your right.
My point was simply that if he was born a man, then he is a man, regardless of any amount of pretending. Wearing a costume does not make wishes come true.
It's not fantasy, it's fact. You just choose to remain ignorant because for some reason the alternative frightens you.
It's a fact that he is a woman?
No, I believe you are wrong there.
Sigh* let me try to explain this to you. It's is fact that he relates to being a woman. It is fantasy that you believe he can change that.
Hey Seyedibar!, ...You're right! Why should anyone have to endure the sight of this "Freak" in their workplace!? It's simply foolish (and SELFISH!) to dress like something you're NOT!, ...and demand that the people around you accept it! Disgusting!
Hyperbole... this guy wore a suit to work... and had a French manicure. Hardly worth comparing to tattoos on butt cheeks.
He DID keep it to himself. He only brought it up with his employer during a conversation where he felt it was relevant.
By all accounts he really did keep his private life separate from his work life – except for one conversation. He wore suits and ties and never talked to his students or others at the school about it.
The employer clearly took a single conversation – not his behavior – and made it the basis for his firing.
People who ignore history are condemned to repeat it. If you look at the history of the Catholic church its hierarchy has always been a few centuries behind in understanding their errors. Even the patron saint of this school (St. Francis) was at one point at risk of being accused of heresy. The church silenced Galileo because of his heretical and anti-biblical belief that the earth was not the center of the universe and that the sun did not circle around it. Luckily, the majority of Catholics understand the truth despite (not because of) its hierarchy.....which is one reason why so many are standing behind this teacher.
Why do people who have standards bother you so much? Can you not live up to standards?
Actually, people with standards don't bother me at all. It's the hypocrites that pretend they have standards and that hide behind dogma to justify their hate that tend to bother me a bit.
The bible says a thousand times that if a man divorce his wife and marries someone else he is guilty of Adultery. The Church never follows that standard and marries thousandds of divorcees. The apathy towards gays is not standard.. its HATE......
Standards are not the problem. The problem is arrogant, bigoted people who want to impose their standards on everyone else. People like, let's say, you.l
This dude is trying to pad his severance before he retires. He knew there would be backlash and he's looking to cash in on it. Don't pay him squat. I don't care what he does in between the sheets and with who, but no money for this cat. Period.
I support the guy and I think the firing was stupid. But he works for a religious employer who is allowed to hire and fire based on the tenets of the religion. When you work for a religious organization you have fewer employment rights and you should know that going in.
Incorrect. They still have to follow state employment law.
"...the teacher wanted to remain at the school and said he would "tone down" his appearance by removing his earrings and French manicure". Lol!! The life Mr. Garrison!!
As usual, the Catholic Church protects the pedophile and condems a person for the way they express themselves. What was wrong with him for 32 years. He was too good to the students, he taught them to have good morals and not to condem anyone. Maybe the church should try what they teach. In other words, "What would Jesus do"!! Why do they just transfer the pedophile to another location without telling them what the new parish is getting. Why not transfer him to the church in the desert and you gain interence by going up in a bucket, I think the name is St. Catherine's.
Ah, private Christian schools. Serving up a mediocre education with a side of bigotry. They do so much good for our species.
You call it bigotry. Others call it values.
Definition of bigotry – a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance. It's not name calling. It's a noun.
Liberals can't stand for people to have values. It makes them look like immoral perverts by comparison.
I agree. Values are still important, though obviously lacking in 2013. We need more schools to stand up for these values before our children's minds are poisoned...
Values??????? This man could potentially have both male and female parts and he was born that way...how do you call that values??? Give me a break.
Hate and discrimination are not family values.
Not all values are created equal or deserving of respect.
After 32 years? Yeah, right.
He did not spend three decades dressing as a woman at school. That was only a recent development.
He hasn't changed in 32 years. And if you would actually read the article it says he wore suits to teach, he never dressed like a woman.
I would counter the lawsuit with an accusation of fraud. If you're a teacher and your teaching license says you are a man, don't come to work as a woman and expect to keep your job.
The truth is usually quite predictable.
It's painfully simple: if you 'come out' go teach somewhere other than a Christian school. Hey, I want to be Miss America but I'm not thin or beautiful and it would be futile to sue for that. Let's not make life more complicated, folks.
So you're saying that religious schools have the right to be bigots, should they choose to be? I find your line to thinking seriously flawed.
What does your line of thinking consist of other than name-calling?
Religion IS bigotry. It's not as if the two can be seperated.
"Let's not make life more complicated, folks." How do you even haul your sorry self out of bed every morning with that amount of crippling apathy in you?
Kindly refrain from dragging emotion into an employment issue.
Show me the name calling. No seriously, be an adult.
@Susan, lol-your comment is great!!!
Get ready America. This is the next thing the liberal Marxists are going to try to tell you is normal and natural.
Maybe you would feel better living in a society that better suits your bigotry. You can choose from several countries in the Middle East or Africa. I suggest you move to one of them, don't worry, we won't miss you.
You seem to think that everyone should share your opinions. Isn't that the definition of bigotry?
I share his opinion as do a very large percentage of people in this country who are open-minded and aware of what "liberty and justice for all" means.
The only thing I may be bigoted about is bigots... so, I am ok with that.
And I'm okay if you call me a bigot. I call it having standards. What you call it is not my problem.
And if someone doesn't accept and embrace your beliefs, you accuse them of being liberal and/or Marxist. Who's resorting to name calling? You might want to look in the mirror, examine your own heart and stop judging others. I don't believe you learned that at church. It might just be an extension of your own arrogance and sanctimony.
ALL THOSE GREAT YEARS OF TEACHING GONE================.Y ? ONE UNEDUCATED PARENT.
sorry, mr. k, but there is a large difference between gays and flamers. gays are fine, no harm done. flamers are attention seekers, there is nothing else to say.
Sorry, but when you deal with a private church school, people pay good money to send their kids there because they want them brought up in a specific moral code. If you don't conform to that moral code, you should probably be teaching at a school that doesn't have that particular moral code.
What moral code are you referring to? The one where he faithfully showed up for 32 years, taught children that ultimately became successful and who now stand behind him and support him. It seems that the ones that paid for the private education are quite happy with him and his morality.
The laws that apply to public schools also must be followed by private, so your logic does not apply. They don't get a free pass to be bigots.
@Jeff, couldn't agree more!!! We work hard for our money and would be disappointed to find out we were paying to send our children to a school that is misrepresenting their beliefs!
Moral codes...hahahahha!!!!! Jesus would not approve of this I am sure..
There's something about them keeping him on for 32 years that bugs me. Why would they keep him for such a long time and then dump him.
Sort of like a "don't ask, don't tell?" Once he came out, then they felt justified in letting him go, perhaps?
Because he no longer fit the perfect image of what a Prep teacher should look like. Plus, the one parent who complained most likely threatened to pull her kid out of school and convince others to do the same. All in all, the one word that answers why Mr K was let go after a 32 year stellar record ... FEAR. Fear of promoting an alternative lifestlye image that clearly doesn't fit with their hypocritical beliefs about love and acceptance and fear of losing money. Problem is they're going to lose money anyway. Plenty of alumni are so upset about his firing, fruitful donations are stopping already and Prep will also be writing him a hefty check when a) they settle out of court or b) he wins his disrimination case.
Enough is enough after 32 years of it...
Moni Basu, before writing your next article why don't you take a minute and think about the person you are writing about and HER wishes?! This person is TRANSGENDER and in her case, identifies as a WOMAN so why don't you show some RESPECT and use the correct pronouns? If you can't show some decency in your writing I can't imagine the person you are, absolutely rude.
because he was born a man with masculine DNA, and no amount of pretending or surgery will ever alter that.
His lawyers have stated that he prefers male pronouns and still wants to be called Mr K cause that is how his students have always known him.
There will always be the occasional oddball or two. The emphasis should be placed on the initial vetting process.
I thought this was a free country where people could decide who they want teaching their kids? Guess liberals don't see it that way or you get a lawsuit...
i had the pleasure of taking Mr. K's class and he was by far one of the nicest teachers ive ever had and really enjoyed his class ! i dont support what the administration is doing in this particular situation but overall they do a very good job ! Go Terriers!
I also took Mr. K's class in 1994-1995. He was one of the most professional teachers I ever had. His class was enlightening and forward thinking. He helped shape me and my morals. Thanks Mr. K. We're standing with you. I'll not be donating any money to St. Francis Prep any more. Instead, I'd be glad to donate to Mr. K's legal fund.
Great post. Maybe you can get other former students to start a movement?
Throughout history, the Catholic Church's hierarchy and leadership have been their greatest source of embarrassment – from the crusades to the inquisition to the debacle over Galileo to the present day scandals. Its faithful, however, have been its salvation – caring for the poor, fighting for civil rights, to the present day where 59% of Catholics support gays and their fight for equality (that stat is based on the Poll taken after Biden expressed his support for gay marriage). This is evident again in this situation where the students and alumni are standing behind this faithful teacher of 32 years!
Wow, where to start.
God's laws are far older than your liberal opinions.
Catholicism and the Dogma and Truth of the Catholic Church are not up for vote.
Truth is Truth, not up to the liberals in California to decide.
Find a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and educate yourself.
Love the sinner hate the sin.
Oh.....you mean like the age old teaching that the sun circled around the earth that got Galileo into such hot water? The church hierarchy has always been a century or two behind God's revelation. They are too busy with Holy Wars, Inquisitions and Scandals. It's a shame nobody learns from history.
Oh....and I do love the sinner, but hate the sin. Despite itself and its tainted history, I still have a bit of fondness of the hierarchy. They do give a certain fabulous flare in their pointed hats and flowing garb.
The dogma of the church has been up for vote many times. A modern King James bible bears little resemblance to the same stories told in the Nag Hammadi books, mainly because it has been edited many times. There are even parts (such as Gideon) where the medieval editor breaks the story to interject his opinion.
Rewriting the stories to modernize them and remove the contradictions is the only way the bibllical religions have survived this long.
So what you are saying is that 400 years ago the church's teachings and activity have not bearing on today and that we have nothing to learn from history. What and interestingly sad point of view.
Pat, you are just flat out wrong. That's all I can say. Your beliefs are inconsistent with how people should treat each other.
3,000 former students of Mr. K (myself included) are vouching for how good a job he did teaching us. The school vouched for him for 32 years. Now, he says hes transgender and all of a sudden he's fired. I know many St. Francis Prep students who are appalled by this situation because it's not consistent with what the Franciscan brothers taught us for four years.
This, and your reaction Pat, are really disappointing.
Wow, where to start? Faith is not truth. Faith is inherently unable to be proven, hence the word, "faith."
Faith is more than trusting the unproven. It is also denying evidence regardless of how compelling.
The Catholic Church in Rome is under the control of Pure Evil, they seek to Control and Rule, something Jesus did not mention a vision of. Thankfully the Keystone antics of the Bishops and Cardinals is shinning the Light on how out of touch they are with Humanity and its evolution. They do protect Child Rapists and keep them from prosecution, is that something Jesus supports????
All deists are athiest to thousands of religions. All religions of man are false. (there could still be Gods/creators). All religions of man are false. Deriving values from inane, archaic, moral-less belief systems is folly. oh no, I stubbed my toe...
Pat, your argument that the Catholic Church does not support Mark's lifestyle falls flat. The Catholic rules and regulations were created by MEN, men who seem to take a fancy to young boys. I'd be ashamed to wear the collar. This man has more integrity and righteousness in his little finger than the entire Catholic Church does. My high school students simply refer to priests as child molesters and I don't correct them. At least Mark is being truthful about who he is and not pretending to be holier than thou like your priests. God created Mark...he did not choose to be this way. Jesus taught compassion and love. You may not like or agree with his lifestyle, but he is being true to himself.
And yet you will willingly drop your kids off at chior practice, send them out
with the priest, a manwho according to the statistic, will, or will cover for
another closeted catholic, that the church claims don,t exist... your kids
should be taken away from you for endangering them... grow up and realize
the real world
The act of firing Mr.K has proved to me that the establishment is quite plainly ignorant, insensitive, and most importantly hypocritical. <~~~ Hey, the current politicians did the same with Obama care. Good enough for the people but not for them. Get used to it.
Mr. K: I'm trans. I lost my law firm because of discrimination and bigotry. Please, hang in there. You are a role model for the youngsters coming behind us! Show the haters your compassion, and yet your resolve.
Congratulations. You must be very proud. You've indoctrinated your children into hatred, fear, and bigotry. I'm sure they'll grow up to be amazing people...
No, not really. I'm not counting on that at all.
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ...Matthew 7: 1-29
I agree fully with his being fired because his way of life does not agree with that of the church. The church should not have to turn away from its core values to meet the whims of those who violate these core values...PERIOD
Good for the school for sticking to their values. I don't care what they do on their own time, but don't brainwash/confuse our children just because you're confused!!!!!
Post this again please, we missed it the first few times you posted it.
Who is spreading the propaganda here. You judge and call someone names and think that being liberal will make them gay or that they will try to force that lifestyle onto you. I have known quite a few gay people in my life and none of them have tried to force their lifestyle onto me or made me or any family or friends feel like we should be living that way. So quit being prejudice toward those you don't agree with and stop spreading hate.
The principal and school will get the punishment they deserve, and it will cost them a lot of money... this is 2012, not 1962... Gender equality applies to all environments.
Doesn't he have to at least pick one gender to claim gender discrimination?
I'll give you a hint at his gender... It's in the name that his students called him.
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ...Matthew 7:1-29
I agree, if I am going to pay good money to send my kids to a private school associated with religion, the staff should live their lives with integrity, so as to be examples to their pupils. Let him do this in some alternative school....
I know! How dare someone be great at their work. That's un-American.
Why would you go to work for an organization you know doesn't condone your lifestyle?
According to a recent pole (taken after Biden stated his support for gay marriage) 59% of Catholics do support his "lifestyle" – whatever that means. It would appear from what gays are fighting for in the courts that their "lifestyle" consists of 1. Marriage – so they can live in legally recognized monogamous relationships. 2. Family – so they can raise their kids in a stable home as a couple and 3. Honor – so that they can serve their country in the military. That sounds pretty consistent to the Catholic values I was raised with.
Only you forgot the part where marriage is between a man and a woman.
Get with the program Kitty......its not anymore in a growing number of states and in a growing number of civilized countries.
I agree, I pay good money to send my kids to a private school where I expect the staff to live their lives with integrity and lead by example. Let him do this at some public alternative school.
The only people who didn't act with integrity were the school leadership......I agree....THEY should be fired.
School leadership acted with integrity. When people pay for a product/education we expect to receive that product the way it is represented to us. Get him out of there, as obviously he is not living in accordance with the values this school is selling. It's nothing personal, people make these things personal. In my profession I also have to comply with a dress code/uniform appearance and if not, I would be fired also. Rules are rules for a reason. I'm tired of people trying to milk money/attention by trying to manipulate situations to make themselves appear as a victim when they clearly violated the rules...
When people pay for a product/education we expect to receive that product the way it is represented to us. Get him out of there, as obviously he is not living in accordance with the values this school is selling. It's nothing personal, people make these things personal. In my profession I also have to comply with a dress code/uniform appearance and if not, I would be fired also. Rules are rules for a reason. I'm tired of people trying to milk money/attention by trying to manipulate situations to make themselves appear as a victim when they clearly violated the rules...
I've always wondered the same
He looks British.
Pardon....*the. I am so tired of society and our cultural thread of being "accepting" to any freak or abnormal person. Especially people of the muslim faith, has anyone noticed that every news story we read about features Amad, Mohammad or Hassan....I am sick of it...Also if you want to get rear-ended, thats great but don't expose our children and he population to it, keep the HIV in your house
hahahaha its the real Mr/s. Garrison from South Park
LMAO ... my vote for best response! And yeah he/she does!!
CNN is digging hard to find the people that are both exemplary and that it feels were discriminated against. Had this been a mediocre transgender teacher, no one would have thought twice about it.
How attractive is your hypothetical mediocre transgendered teacher?
...and I wouldn't want you around me. Clown.
Let us know when you yourself becomes perfect so we can take what you're saying to heart. Always pointing the sinless finger at the guilty sinners.
It's a good thing divorce is also reviled in the bible and any of you care about that. I don't take your religion seriously since you don't either.
Does ANYONE seriously take religion seriously in the 21st century? I know there is lots of posturing, and money being made from it, but seriously?
It makes me sad when people use my faith as an excuse for hatred. This teacher is a child of God too. God did not make us all the same and we have no right to reject those who are different. We're supposed to be following Jesus, and he was a person who loved all the people that his society rejected. Go back and read about him again... see how he responded to those who used religion to declare themselves superior and better than everybody else. Check yourself every day. Make sure you're not doing that. Christianity is about loving God and loving each other, and whenever we find that we're doing something that doesn't fit those guidelines, then we know we need to make some changes.
It's not exactly easy to do. Sometimes it feels scary because you end up encountering things that are new to you, unfamiliar, maybe even uncomfortable. You don't get to take it for granted that you're doing okay, because the second you put yourself on a holier-than-thou pedestal, it's a sure sign you've already started messing up. You don't get to get all smug and self-satisfied because you're human and you're fallible and you're trying to understand an infinite God. On the other hand, you get to take off the blindfold and look at the great big beautiful world as it is, and see all the variety in it and all the sorts of people God made. If you stayed in your little world where everyone was exactly the way you were, you wouldn't get to see that.
Amen! Religion does NOT and should not need to be about hatred and intolerance. What do you think Jesus would have done in this situation? Call him names and demand his resignation, despite being a great teacher?!? “It matters not who you love, where you love, why you love, when you love or how you love, it matters only that you love” – John Lennon.
How about a simple lesson in basic biology: anatomy and physiology, minus religion? Still doesn't make sense/fit...literally...
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