Researchers: African-Americans most likely to use physical punishment
Researchers said African Americans are among the most likely to use corporal punishment on children.
November 10th, 2011
11:50 AM ET

Researchers: African-Americans most likely to use physical punishment

A switch, a belt, a shoe, a hand. Paddling, whipping, whupping, spanking. The instruments and language of corporal punishment vary, but what connects them is how often they are employed as parenting tools.

Researchers who study corporal punishment say that parents of all ethnic groups, socioeconomic categories and education levels practice some form of physical punishment with their children.

“The majority of parents across all ethnic groups spank at some point,” said Elizabeth Gershoff, a professor and researcher on corporal punishment at the University of Texas at Austin.

But among the groups most likely to use it: African-Americans.

In a study Gershoff co-authored that examined 20,000 kindergartners and their parents, she found that 89% of black parents, 79% of white parents, 80% of Hispanic parents and 73% of Asian parents said they have spanked their children.

But why do so many black parents approve of disciplining their children that way? The answer is complicated, experts said.

Some researchers have suggested it's a legacy left by the brutality of slavery. Some say it's rooted in fear - that if parents don’t use force to demand obedience, someone else will. Others said African-American parents, in aggregate, are disproportionately lower-income, have less education and are more likely to follow a religion that implores them not to spare the rod for fear of spoiling the child - all factors that correlate with use of corporal punishment, regardless of race.

Numerous studies have pointed to negative consequences for all children who are spanked, regardless of parents' race, ethnicity, income-level or education level. Kids who are physically punished face higher risk of anxiety and depression, higher rates of aggression toward others and a more distant relationship with their parent, Gershoff said. Those risks are in addition to the risk of injury from parents who cross the line from a hard smack on a behind  - still damaging, researchers said -  to abuse that leaves children bruised or bleeding.

Dr. Alvin F. Poussaint, a Harvard Medical School psychiatrist who has studied mental health issues and parenting in African-American communities, is a leading voice against corporal punishment. It’s an uphill battle.

“It’s culturally embedded in America that spanking is a legitimate and good way to discipline children. But the fact is, nearly all studies, except for a few, say it is not a good way of disciplining and can actually produce damage,” Poussaint said. “We have such damage in the black community, when you add to that parents beating their kids, it’s sending the message that violence is an OK way to solve problems.”

Nevertheless, Poussaint said, questioning corporal punishment can provoke a defensive or angry reaction from parents.

“Usually some people stand up and say, ‘Well, I was beaten as a kid and I turned out pretty well.’ Well, did they?” Poussaint said. “If you dig more deeply, you don’t really know that… beating may have left scars in them that they don’t really understand.”

Poussaint dismisses the biblical imperative so often used as a justification for corporal punishment as “a tired excuse.”

“Violence begets violence, anger begets anger, and the loss of control makes it all worse,” he said.

There are researchers, community leaders and parents that are trying to change attitudes toward spanking and corporal punishment among African-Americans.

The Harlem Children’s Zone, a nonprofit community organization that provides education and social services to a 100-block area in New York City, is working to convince parents that corporal punishment isn't the answer. It spends two sessions of its Baby College program for parents of children ages zero to 3 talking about how physical punishment is harmful and why it shouldn’t be used. Since the nine-week Baby College began classes in 2001, more than 3,600 parents have graduated.

“Sometimes there is some pushback during those sessions, sometimes they go home and are told by older relatives that they’re spoiling the child,” said Marty Lipp, an Harlem Children's Zone spokesman. “We have to equip them to be able to make the case to themselves and possibly to their relatives and neighbors.”

Asadah Kirkland, an African-American mother and educator in Brooklyn, was inspired to write her anti-spanking book, “Beating Black Kids,” after a friend said “something about how you just need to beat kids sometimes.” The book includes adults discussing how spanking affected them, and also offers parents alternative methods of discipline.

Kirkland now gives workshops encouraging parents not to use corporal punishment, and she often encounters resistance from parents who believe it’s necessary. They passionately defend their right to raise their children as their parents raised them – with switch in hand.

“They don’t want to be incriminated, they don’t want to incriminate their parents,”  Kirkland said. “They need to validate what’s happened to them.”

Kirkland said more parents must realize that parents need to use discipline in a way that gives kids skills for handling conflict in the future: negotiation, respect of authority and courage.

“Whatever you want your future to look like, that’s what you need to be rearing and creating in your children’s future,” Kirkland said. “These are the people who are going to run the future, and if they’re coming up beaten up and resentful, that’s the way they’re going to be when they grow up.”

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  1. That guy

    I feel as though corporal punishment is entirely acceptable, it just depends on how it is administered. Some parents do go too far, but how can parents advocate the abolishment of corporal punishment when they received it themselves? I serve as a teacher in a public school system and I have come to notice is that the main children that cause problems are ones receive "talks" and "time-outs". The problem is not only in the African-American community, it stems from everywhere. One last thought, how many African-American children have done school shootings?

    November 14, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wally Bunker

      Thousands. It happens every day across the country. Although the thugs prefer knives as they're easier to sneak into schools.

      November 14, 2011 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Rational Adult

    You are all idiots.

    November 14, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Nicole M.

    My mom used to beat me when I was a child. I'm 32 years old and resent her to this very day for it and NO it hasn't made me a better person or made my life better in any sort of discernible way. Don't beat your kids to keep them in line; it's the same mindset that the overseers used when beating our ancestors back on the plantation. In most cases it's not necessary, and it's not right. It's dehumanizing. I was a child but I was still a human being, not some dog or some (less-than-human) object to be beaten with a belt (whip) in frustration.

    November 14, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Angie M

      Nicole, I'm very sorry that your mom or dad beat you, but there is a difference in beating and whooping.

      And to this report. I can count on my hand the number of times i had to whoop my children. Maybe you should be speaking to some of these parents who do not whoop their children, but their children are constantly telling them to shut up and cursing them out in the streets (mostly white).

      I had two whoopings in my life and i am 44 years old and to this day i do not disrespect my mother and i definitely don't use foul language in front of her or smoke or any of this other nonsense that i am seeing from parents who did not whoop their children and also don't seem to have any control over them anymore. I don't believe that this is always necessary, there are different ways to discipline at different times.

      As far as economics go. anybody can buy their childs way of out of trouble if you have enough money.

      November 14, 2011 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nicole M.

        "Whooping" is nothing more than LIGHT BEATING. While my mother was swinging a belt or a shoe at me it sure as hell felt like a "beating" to me. That's because that's exactly what it is. A beating under any other name is still a beating.

        November 14, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nicole M.

        And another thing: I'm so, SO tired of hearing black folks justify beating or "whooping" their kids by saying that white kids talk back to their parents because the parents refuse to beat/whoop their kids. I feel like it's nothing more but a sad and violent attempt to gain a sense of power and control that we all too often lack in this racist society of ours. Are you saying that the only way that kids can grow up to be respectful is if they get hit with a belt/switch/shoe/etc.? Why don't we just take it one step further and say that our slave ancestors should have been thankful for getting the crap beat out of them? I see no difference between that and what you benevolently call "whooping" our kids.

        November 14, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Aries Lady

        I agree Angie. My mom used to whoop us occasionally when we would get out of line. There is a huge difference between beating a kid within an inch of his/her life and tapping that behind with a belt. My mom had a paddle that she liked to use until it broke (that's a story for another time). I have no scars emotional or physical behind my upbringing. My sister and I are both in our 30s, college graduates, and productive people in society. Of course at the time I didn't appreciate it, but I can say with 100% certainty she did the right thing.

        November 14, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Don

    Spare the rod, spoil the child is NOT FROM THE BIBLE. Do your research!

    November 14, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |

    I hate to disagree with the other blacks here, but I have to agree with the article on substance although I question the motive of publishing it all. As someone who had the benefit of living amongst Blacks as well as living in an all white suburban neighborhood – my 45 years of human experience does in fact support this study. But this article does not look at socioeconomic factors which I think plays a critical role as well.

    November 14, 2011 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
  6. queenbee10

    which race is more likely to rape or touch kids?

    November 14, 2011 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Bartone

    What race is more likely to rape, pillage, enslave an entire people, try to eradicate Jews from the planet, colonize so that they could steal the resources from countries around the world and then create a religion with a blond haired, blue eyed god so that they can convince the world that they have divine superiority over every other human being? What race was more likely to hold Blacks as slaves for over 240 years followed by 100 years of Jim Crow? What are the statistics on the level of evil that would have to reside in a people to be capable of that?

    November 14, 2011 at 12:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ed

      Most of that applies to just about every race. Pick your period of history, pick your geographic area. You need to broaden your lens a bit.

      November 14, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lars

      I see...so in Africa there are no black groups in power that are mutilating children and turning them into warriors or killing them? There are no Asians peoples that have tried to take over the world. Your choice to try and turn this into a race baiting exersize is sad. I don't like this article either but the fact that they started with research that defines corporal punishment by ethnicity doesn't mean its racist – it means its trying to explain a dynamic that has certain perimeters.

      November 14, 2011 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lance

      racism is so ingrained into their dna that they don't even realize when their exposing themselves. This is what they do. A white man gets caught beating the crap out of a disabled child on video and the conversation turns to Black pathology.

      November 14, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
  8. black man

    My father told me that if he didn't whoop me to set me straight, later in life, the police would. I'll be graduating from an Ivy league university in the spring. I thank God every day that my father used corporal punishment to discipline me as a child because I found that what he said was 100% correct and I can't argue with the results.

    November 14, 2011 at 11:51 am | Report abuse |
    • asian man

      My mom did the same to me and feel the exact same way. If she didn't discipline me, the cops would be doing it.

      November 14, 2011 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Moli

      Great parenting by your father, what people confuse is ABUSE with DISCIPLINE. I was discipline by my parents and they have 3 college grads. None of us have been in any trouble not even speeding, why because you know not to be an embarrassment to your family or slurry for family name. Shoot, we don't drink or smoke either and all it took was my older brother getting caught at 13 by the neighbors.

      November 14, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Dean

    Some researchers have suggested it's a legacy left by the brutality of slavery.-------Have you lost your mind?

    November 14, 2011 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
  10. John in OH

    I weighed this article against my own reality check. It's true that there are cultural differences between us, but the black parents I have friendships with have raised model kids, both academically and socially. Their kids are respectful, happy, and well-balanced. The mom and dad in these households are undeniably the authority and I know every one of their kids have experienced corporal discipline at some point. The only conclusion I can draw is this: Whatever they're doing produces good and enviable results because the foundation is laid in love and respect... Without love, their use of corporal punishment would be child abuse.

    November 14, 2011 at 10:17 am | Report abuse |
  11. Ab4qqy

    Can't we just use catch & release on feral children (yes just like the animals they are and release them back into the jungle!!) that way we'd have a lot less crime in our neighborhoods. (It's either that or bring back the use of duct tape...)

    November 14, 2011 at 9:21 am | Report abuse |
  12. Anthony Bennett

    Tony Bennett

    This has got to be one of the worst comentaries I've ever read. CNN should be a shamed for publishing this report. This is a minor thing compared to those who beat their children into submission and even death; or for that matter the kids that kill their parents because of how they've been beat or because they are not allowed to play a video game, or the ones that go out and shoot up and kill their fellow classmates. Who are these parents and children? Satistically they are people of color. Think about it. Pray about it. Resolve it!!!

    November 14, 2011 at 8:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Anthony Bennett

      Sorry, that last comment should have stated that they are not people of color...

      November 14, 2011 at 8:55 am | Report abuse |
  13. Rod

    Wait what Judge is now famous for whipping his child? lol. To whip or not to whip. That is the question. Do not whip children that listen and can be disciplined with words or having some other non-violent punishment. Whip those that only respond or mind when the light laying of a belt is the only thing they will listen to.

    November 14, 2011 at 8:16 am | Report abuse |
  14. Will S

    Correlates strongly to college graduation rates (by race)....no surprises here. Smart people use their wits, the rest hit their kids.

    November 14, 2011 at 7:48 am | Report abuse |
    • NFN8

      Wrong, I share the same education as the psychiatrist, and totally disagree. Many times we allow dominant culture to define what is the norm, however that doesn't mean they're right. Also whatever compass we as individuals use to define how we raise our kids is rightfully our own. I can give many examples of how not following the right guide, the Bible, ends with poor character children, just turn on the tv, or go to the mall and watch how majority culture kids disrespect their parents. At any rates it is useless to try and use these loose studies to draw sweeping conclusions for an entire population. Our current scientific method is bogus, most "studies" are rapidly disproven within a few years as popular (dominant) opinion shifts with its very fickle wind patterns.

      God bless

      November 14, 2011 at 8:19 am | Report abuse |
  15. Archie Bunker's ghost

    So the point of this article is that blacks are no good?

    November 14, 2011 at 7:47 am | Report abuse |
  16. Danny Tosh.0

    Ha! Is it really a surprise? Black guys beat their wives, why wouldn't they beat their kids? But I do feel sorry for the little moon crickets.

    November 14, 2011 at 7:45 am | Report abuse |
  17. The Octagon

    I am surprised at this. Considering that the number of black children that are being raised by grandparents, I wonder if they have expanded the word "Parent" to include caregivers?

    Also, you would think that if the AAs were such disciplinarians that their children woudl not be so out-of-control. Interesting.

    November 14, 2011 at 7:32 am | Report abuse |
  18. Raymond

    Who is doing the statistics on this ? The BIBLICAL IMPERATIVE – dismissed in such a cavalier fashion – is the ONLY reason why there is less corporal punishement amongst the Asian groups. Religions (ALL of them) and CHRISTIANITY in particular are responsible.

    November 14, 2011 at 4:24 am | Report abuse |
  19. Mike R

    Kids just want attention from the adults that raise them. If they are emotionally-neglected from parents, is it possible that the sub-conscience of the child would create a cause for attention? In cases, leading to too much attention with the belt?
    Your kids just need the right amount of your attention.
    And, if we ask our politicians on their oppinion on the matter, they might suggest waterboarding....

    November 14, 2011 at 3:27 am | Report abuse |
  20. *SIGH*

    So the numbers are fairly similar across the board. The next question to figure out is why blacks and hispanics produce more lazy idiots, failures and criminals percentagewise than Asians and whites.

    November 14, 2011 at 3:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Mike R

      Looks like someone knocked some IGNORANCE into you when you were a child. Your way of thinking is a disgrace, not only YOUR own race, but to humanity in general.

      November 14, 2011 at 3:29 am | Report abuse |
    • ANON

      You have a point, but it is people like you who go out of your way to make sure they don't succeed just so you can point and say you were right all a long. poopface

      November 14, 2011 at 4:10 am | Report abuse |
  21. Bill

    Oh, but you only need to watch Russell Peters' routine about immigrant parents to know it's true – white parents are wimps when it comes to discipline. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI

    November 14, 2011 at 12:44 am | Report abuse |
  22. Jenn

    While the studies they are referring to are correct, the way it was racially presented here is unnecessary. Instead of reporting on the studies and actual cultural & developmental issues, they drag readers in with the topic of "Black people do bad things". The discussion here is more telling than the report itself.

    November 13, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brian H

      Good point and I agree. One thing here on CNN is that its used as a tool to divide people in this nation either by political party or recently race. It appears that the general population has had enough of the political division and are not biting on that carrot anymore. Now the race issues are coming up once again to keep the masses fighting. CNN and FOX and most of the other news outlets are not here to provide a balanced news source rather they are a tool to keep the masses occupied on sideline issues while this nation is in deep because of our politicians.

      November 14, 2011 at 6:59 am | Report abuse |
  23. jeanette

    Yes, Asian parents do practice corporal punishment, only in different ways...

    November 13, 2011 at 11:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rollo

      Like bamboo splinters under the fingernails like they did in 'Nam? Actually, this article is completely correct, blacks do smack their kids more than other groups. You see it in public, like the grocery store or laundry. If you've ever known,spoken to, or worked with many blacks, almost every one of them will tell you how they were beaten as kids, and how they believe in it for their own children. It may sound racist, but it's true, and the truth hurts...literally.

      November 14, 2011 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
  24. Ruthie


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  25. Ruthie

    So glad to see that people don't just take some person's word/writing as the ultimate authority. Question the studies, the movtivation, where our society is heading, popular beliefs that dominate this generation... we'll see how it changes in a few years and they discover they made a mistake or not. Whatever it is that is written, I hope we can all agree that "media" is a very powerful tool. It can do much good, or can do much harm...people have made tons of money and started powerful movements, using the media.

    November 13, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
  26. aparent

    races need to love each other more and hit each other just parents need to love more and not beat innocent children. beating people isnt ok even when they know what they are foin.. why is it ok if they are a kid who is still growing up? your fearrs of kids who dont beleive in consequences is deeply flawed. hitting just gets m md and mkes me more rebellous towards someone not intellegent enough for patience and reason. patience is too hard for childish adults.. these adult babies have no respect for the innicence and fragility of a developin human being... therefore they esort to the childi acr of aggression.. i deploe the ue of fear instead of reason.. my kids will be much smartwe thaan the beaten ones who are being taught to be afraid.. and to listen without question. i guess that becase i am patient and wise a role model who knows that aggression is not for kids! we only need aggression for enemies ready to harm u.. and weed to ue it asa last resort. this isnt an energy to scare our youth with.. groww up america.. white or black

    November 13, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • aparent

      ps. its really hard to type on a kindle.. sorry about typos.. i have big thumbs

      November 13, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
  27. John

    I have thought about this quite a bit and the only conclusion that makes sense about blacks having a 10% higher percentage, is that black kids are targetted by entertainers pumping out violent rap music that encourages them to do all manner of violence, disrespect, disobedience, and mayhem, including killing each other and looking forward to it as a life's goal. Where are the black leaders on this? Why don't they put a stop to it? Do blacks honestly think there won't be any consequences when you feed your kids all manner of evil in music lyrics? They will act up just like the songs tell them to, and you'll beat them, and the percentage will go up. That's the only reason that makes sense as to why the number is highest for blacks.

    It's so easy to blame someone else, especially someone else that's not even involved in it. Take some blame for what you do and what you allow your kids to listen to. It matters, think about it, it does matter probably more than you realize.

    November 13, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dr Bombay

      So, assuming this study is even remotely accurate, does your message also apply to the 79% of whites who use physical punishment on their kids? You're pretty quick to draw non-statistical conclusions, please share your methods.

      November 13, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        It's an estimate assuming that blacks would be similar to other races, they would care about their kids and punish them at the same rate as other races. If it is statistical error, the study could be repeated multiple times to see what the typical error would be. If the error is very small between surveys, then there would need to be something to correlate to for blacks to have a higher percentage, something to push their rate higher. I assume all races have heard violent rap music aimed at black kids, but not all kids embrace it. The lyrics in the violent rap songs tell kids to steal, carry weapons, disobey, join gangs, and basically kill people to get what you want. I can imagine what that does to the black families where they're raise, the kids would rebel more often, and the parents would beat them more often. It makes sense to me that this would boost the percentage up some for the black population.

        November 14, 2011 at 12:03 am | Report abuse |
      • Dr Bombay

        'm not denying that negative influence some rap or any other types of negative media – movies, videos, etc. – have in our society. I do however take exception to your suggestion that black parents are responsible for the proliferation of bad media and somehow condone these types of influences on their kids. They don't. But, you've avoided accounting for the 79 percent of whites who beat there kids in your analysis. If you suggest that corporal punishment is bad, then why wouldn't 79-percent of white parents equally at fault for negative media? Why just focus on the 10-percent +/- TBD difference between the two races? (Especially, considering the study hasn't published any confidence interval with their statistics)

        November 14, 2011 at 12:44 am | Report abuse |
      • John

        I stated above that if the races were to be assumed to be similar in their punishment rate, then some contributing factor would be needed to boost the rate for blacks. Of course other violent negative media exists, video games for instance, but those are not specifically targetted to any specific race. Violent rap music is targetted at black youth. Parents have have the option of limiting what comes into the home, or complaining if they don't like the lyrics in music their kids listen to, as do black leaders. It's also possible the parents themselves in listening to violent rap musch, that they might punish more harshly or more often. It's a negative influence targetted at blacks, so it would have to be a potential contributor for the higher percentage, if that percentage difference is not simple statistical errors, or errors that occurred in the interview process.

        November 14, 2011 at 1:43 am | Report abuse |
  28. DC

    Which race is most fed-up with CNN's race-baiting propaganda? ALL OF THEM.

    November 13, 2011 at 8:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brian H


      November 14, 2011 at 7:00 am | Report abuse |
    • NFN8

      Very true, way to sum it up, its nauseating how they do, and borderline juvenility.

      November 14, 2011 at 8:23 am | Report abuse |
      • Informed

        Tell you the truth, everytime I read these back and forth racial fights I get angry. But, it also keeps me aware that the intensity of racial hate that existed years ago still exists today. You can make some assumptions just in the fact that the replies are coming from this site on the internet that the people who are responding are not complete idiots but actually do carry enough intellect to navigate the internet. They have enough intellect to want to stay informed of what is going on in the world by visiting this site. They also have enough intellect to read this article and know how to respond to it using the forms on this site. That means you more than likely belong to the latest generation who is computer savvy as well. So what does that tell me? That I'm more than likely not talking to the hatred of old, but this is fresh hatred raised and held by my peers and those younger than me. It also tells me, unfortunately, that I can't use intellect as a barometer for those who I should feel comfortable and safe around. Most of all, it reminds me that I am not as welcomed as I thought I was, and gives me another truer barometer for the kind of hatred that still exists against me.

        November 14, 2011 at 9:11 am | Report abuse |
  29. Bubba

    I'm not sure what the picture of the black woman consoling a child is support to represent. She obviously didn't just beat the kid. And to use statistics to try to place african-american in a negative context is pathetic, CNN. You should know better. Its more of a wealth/education issue in which black american still gets the shaft. The uneducated and unducated will get a larger share of this type of behavior, regardless of race.

    November 13, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • egg2419

      Consultation after abuse isn't common, but after corporeal punishment done correctly, there's nothing strange about it. The article is biased against corporeal punishment though, so I guess I have to agree on the whole "wth is that doing there?" thing.

      November 13, 2011 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
  30. scott

    its funny we always bring race into everything cant we all just be americans just sayin

    November 13, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
  31. mm

    Let's not forget that African Americans learned to use the whip because it was the White man who first used the whip on the African American! This is a learned behavior.

    November 13, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • jason

      Whites put Jews in gas chambers but I don't see Jews doing it to their children. Jesse Jackson said he was sick of hearing about the Holocaust over 30 years ago. Can we stop referring everything blacks do wrong to injustices that happened over 150 years ago, please?

      November 13, 2011 at 5:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        If true, this is actually a good point because Jesse would have said it 35 years after the Holocaust ended. Slavery ended about 155 years ago, about 5 times longer out in time, so by Jesse's estimation, slavery is long since, a non-topic.

        November 13, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • BongoBongoBongo

      ... oh that is SO reasonable ... and the Africans in Africa ... they learned to kill each other from colonialists too, I am guessing.

      Like when the Xhosa and Zulu almost wiped out the Koi San before whites arrived. Yeah, makes sense.

      How absurd. Let's everyone take responsibility for your own actions.

      November 13, 2011 at 5:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        right. Including the actions of whites from the 1500s to the 2011 to blacks in Haiti, Brazil, South and North America, the Carribean, Trinidad, WEst Indies, etc–take responsibility for all of it–liike the Iraq war–it is what it is–and all the FUBAR that it is, we all have had a hand in it–we can point at blacks but actually culpability is not just blacks–the only thing is whites appear incapable of facing what they do wrong. It is not about Zulus and many battles–it IS about the black African diaspora here and the parts whites played from Dutch to American colonialist we can talk forever about what AFricans did–but there really is no need we don't hold whites accountable for what Africans did or did not do–the accounting for whites start when they assumed and bought the slaves–from that moment on–the sins and blood and denials and refusals are all at your door because for whatever happened before–the rest was a book written by Americans an colonialist in America.

        November 13, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Blacks have used spears on other blacks, so given it's a learned behavior, they must be also spearing their kids as well. No, I don't think so. Unless you're saying blacks don't have enough intelligence to be able to decide to beat their kids or not, like they're some kind of trained animal in a circus. Blacks are not as stupid as you are portraying them to be. They can decide to do whatever they want. And so can I, I learned long ago how to spell curse words, and as you can see, I'm not typing any, nor am I blaming blacks for my using them, or not using them. I'm accepting blame for my actions. Please ask blacks to do the same rather than blame other races. In fact, leave races out of it all together, call us all people, and ask people to take blame for what ever they do, because it's they that are doing such, not me or some other nebulus people out there with some common physical characteristic that isn't exactly the same as some other person.

      I personally think it's the violent rap music targetted at black kids. It probably confuses them, upsets them, causes them to act up, and their parents overcorrect in the punishment department.

      November 13, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
  32. mm

    Yea. And African American kids are the least likely to kill their parents.

    November 13, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Actually, African americans ARE the least likely to kill or even fight their parents. But that is not what Jason asked–it was not even a blame session he wanted to know what made it so easy for Jews to move on but not blacks–and the fast answer is that Jews did not have 400 years to evolve or devolve based on their diaspora, they remained masters of their destiny IN BEYWEEN their persecutions–blacks were never given that kind of opportunity nor that kind of sovereignty over their own bodies or minds or even tongues.

      November 13, 2011 at 5:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tina

      You're 100% correct. I agree to the fullest.

      November 13, 2011 at 11:51 pm | Report abuse |
  33. T3chsupport

    Willfully ignoring basic reality isn't helpful to anyone.
    Guess what! There are different races, and the people in them are different than others! Oh noes! The world is the way it's always been!

    November 13, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
  34. jo

    Violence is a 'learned' punishment....It can be stopped by one generation...I was 'whipped'...I did not hit my children, they now, do not hit theirs....I forgave my mother for her hitting me but we were never as close as my daughter and me...

    November 13, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      violence and treachery learned in a generation as an act CAN be stopped in one generation–but violence BRED is not so easily shaken off and violence and a certain mind set and psychology are not as easily discarded when a people have had almost 400 years of training because the horrible truth is-the African slave became so debased by slavery that in the end, he did not have to be whipped–he whipped himself and he did not have to be tethered–he did not know how to leave and he did not have to forced to not make ties or bonds he already knew that. survival was key and what blacks represent more than Jews (because most of their perps were in Germany) is that they represent the capabilities of depravity man can visit upon other men just because they look different and many cannot face that–in fact many blacks still play roles they would have played on the plantation–such is psychological evolution–it is amazing what is a wonder are the ones who can make the leap because the ghetto is its own equalizer made to keep blacks enslaved for the profit of a few enterprising blacks.

      November 13, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        Slavery in America ended in 1865. The holocaust ended in 1945, some 80 years after slavery.

        Maybe ask Jesse to retract his statement?

        November 13, 2011 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • egg2419

        It can still be erased by one generation, 400 years isn't much in terms of genetic evolution. It's just a lot harder to convince that one generation because of what had been handed down from generation to generation.

        November 13, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Report abuse |
  35. jason

    "Some researchers have suggested it's a legacy left by the brutality of slavery."

    Over 30 years ago Jesse Jackson said he was tired of hearing of the Holocaust yet I never hear anyone say that the screwed up behavior of a 25 year old Jewish person is due to the legacy of 2000 years of persecution. Can anyone explain why we still see the slavery card played, sometimes by the same people who complain so loudly about Jews?

    November 13, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hooligan

      and conveniently forget it was their own brothers who sold them in to said slavery for a large sum.

      November 13, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • chuck

        under threat of a gun...some choice, huh.

        November 13, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        no matter what "our brothers did to us" It will never justify the sick and twisted lives forced on us by slavery and THAT whites did with no help from anyone. Don't try to mitigate your own evil about pointing out anyone elses. Africans may have turned other Africans over to slavers but what took place for the next 400 years to those slaves and their decendants the blood and the sins are on white hands, and you better know this.

        November 13, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        you are wrong–blacks do not forget that–but whereas whites latch onto that to diffuse blame–blacks KNOW that blaming the slaver for selling the slave in no ways exonerates the slave master for what he did to the slave and what his descendants did and their descendants and the ones after and after again and again and again and finally when slavery was gone, what still went on and in some places still go on. Some white people have imagined and looked this horror full in the face and put themselves int the place, the mind the heart of a slave–but others do not or cannot do that. They want to pretend it never happend or does not count–they do not know what a grandmother tells her daughter who tells her daughter and granddaughter–how they are taught to fear white males for their power to destroy–to rend and rape and that even now a lot of white males seek out black females and many refuse them –not because they simply don't like white men–but because blacks have an oral history that often stretches back generations and it is a kind of mystery and history and whites do not know that stories of events that happened maybe 200 years ago are told until the child almost believes it happend to them because blacks want bred into the bones of their children the memory of who whites are and what they did–and now I have to go do some work in my real life–and yeah I expect scoffing and disavowing and denial because we were taught to expect that too.

        November 13, 2011 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • chuck

      Because they were beaten by their parents...that's obvious enough!

      November 13, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • chuck

        I think the historical truth is that those that 'sold' their brethren were actually coerced under threats of death to do so...

        November 13, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        chuck those who sold slaves did so out of greed–and also many they sold llike many of the squaws given to whites were already enslaved. the main slavers were Nigerian (yoruban) in the end, they also began to enslave political enemies–the only coercion were for coral and turquoise and venetion beads–BUT Nigerians did not know the lives that awaited their captives–in Africa eventually they were traded and made wives of the chief or a nobleman–the men were often killed or traded back for Yoruban warriors–but they had no idea we would be bred like dogs or white men would rape us. Taking a black African woman in rape would have been as final and horrendous as a black man doing that to a white woman who was the flower of the south with no interest in black men. It is a soul destroying things–and the women had to bear up and the men had to stop caring, which was hard when some were really of the same tribe and maybe even family or married–but don't think in terms of blacks in Africa being guiltless. I have longed believe the horrors of AFrica are retribution for what they did and the cost is in lives now to repay for lives then–I also believe in balance so I know whites especially American whites have a comeuppance coming–especially hard because they remain unrepentant and defiant and see nothing they are fault for. God did not say the "sins of the father are visited upon the next generations" for nothing. It's coming and I believe those who are truly sorry or see the horror will not have to pay–the pay will be for the ones who could careless and pretend they owe nothing–you owe everything and if your fathers did not pay–you will or your children will–GOD promises that.

        November 13, 2011 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Jewish persecution was intermittent not continual and they were always allowed to retain their language, culture, knew how to read, and for the most part could choose their own marriages and where they went–all denied to slaves–further the Holacaust was from 1939 to 1945 slavery was from the mid 1500s to 1862.

      Slaves were often raped prior to arriving in the new world –repeatedly and not just the women, also girls and young boys–the boys were buggered for fun, the girls, just in case any were of child bearing age–pregnant slaves netted more profit. slaves were ballast –during storms, they and horses were often tossed overboard to lighten a load still manacled to each other. Slaves were nt allowed to retain their old religions or rights to their own tribes or tongues or anything–Jews suffered a diaspora of wandering and looking for a place to settle down in–blacks suffered a forced diaspora and were intermixed not only with tribes that may be taboo to them but also with the seed of white males which rendered them "contaminated in the eyes of Africans to this day. That is part of it

      November 13, 2011 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jesse

        Are you kidding me? They were trying to get rid of all the Jewish people- they were put in gas chambers, starved to death, operated on while they were still alive, had to dig their own graves among a lot of other things? I can assure you know one was picking a partner or learning to rid in the concentration camps. Blacks are not the only race in the world that has had terrible things happen to them. You need to learn to be more compassionate and tolerant.

        November 13, 2011 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        I agree that blacks were not the only people who had terrible things done to them but blacks remain the only group who Ameicans did terrible things to and do not want to compensate for those deeds. To this day, Israel gets about 80 billion per year and it has been so since 1948, blacks get blamed and maligned and ridiculed and expected to shake off 400 years of behavior and training and evolution in 50 years (after civil rights–

        November 13, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Jesse– I was a student of the holocaust from the time periods of 1938-1945 and wrote a cross comparison from Chelmno and Treblinka and Babi Yaar to Berkenau and Sobibor - and Dachau–but the moderator will not let it be printed–Jason asked for an explanation–I am not about to try a one upmanship for the most horrific event of modern man when some people made killing jews an industry–but I did try to shed some light on the diaspora people only want to get angry about and dismiss–because the people are a different color and look differently with different noses and hair and lips and ways–I was attempting an explanation not to minimize the Jewish experience but to point out what they were allowed to hold onto and BE–and what their subsequent assimilation has been like and what is not like for blacks but people do not want to either discuss or admit to a difference that is cloaked in racism and it is not about jobs or the way blacks act–it is about control and needing an underdog and scapegoat and why blacks –have a hard time–some do well–others cannot and why they are their own worst enemy I crosscorrelated it all but the moderator did not let it post–sorry

        November 13, 2011 at 5:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      There have been wars throughout history, so if you like, you can pick any war, trace some ancestors to the war zone, then claim that is the reason you beat your kids.

      Or you could blame violent rap music targetting black kids, and their parents beating them when they act up after hearing it.

      November 13, 2011 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
  36. Hooligan

    uhhh, are you kidding me? The fact that we even need to discuss HOW a child is reprimanded by THEIR parent is ridiculous on it's own... to try and make it a racial issue is even MORE stupid.


    November 13, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Urban Girl

      Yes, Hooligan, exactly!

      November 13, 2011 at 5:47 pm | Report abuse |
  37. queenbee10

    That's what I said–I think there are a few fake apologists (Thia and Dee) who would take umbrage with anyone who dares to call the author out–we can't criticize him–because he is ... WAIT for it...black and in Whitese–that means no one can talk about him because as a black blacks can't be racist. (sarcasm intended)

    November 13, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
  38. LPW

    My problem with this article is that it focuses too much on black families, whereas the 79% figure for whites is also too high - as are the figures for the other ethnic groups. It's not just a black problem.

    November 13, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • MashaSobaka

      I agree. So one ethnic group has a higher percentage...big whoop. It's barely even significant. Targeting them won't solve the problem at all. It's time to stop sorting people into groups based on superficial differences and start looking at the underlying problems.

      November 13, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • egg2419

      Why is 79% too high? Remember, we aren't talking about abuse, we are talking about corporeal punishment.

      November 13, 2011 at 6:20 pm | Report abuse |
  39. cj

    There's a lot of queenbee 10 here. Purge, you should write a book. Factually! Thank God for our 1st amendment.

    November 13, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      catharsis is only helpful in the end, not during, will whites EVER stop their behavior or is denial to be in perpetuity?

      November 13, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  40. KM

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with corporal punishment. We have used it when we felt it appropriate for behavior that was beyond the pale when our son was young. Once we had established this early on, we seldom use it at all now. Our son is very well-behaved and respectful to us and others. If you do not establish uncompromising disciplinary standards when your children are young, you may very likely suffer the consequences of out of control behavior when they are older. It is a personal decision that should be left up to parents as long as it is used appropriately and within set boundaries.

    November 13, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave

      It's convenient to hit your children when they are young helpless, isn't it? Violence has no place in the household, period. If you can't find ways to discipline your child without violence, then you've failed as a parent.

      November 14, 2011 at 9:51 am | Report abuse |
  41. TonyBklyn

    As a black man who grew up with stern discipline from his parents, I'd like to share my thoughts. Growing up my siblings and I received "whippings" that sometimes were absolute beatings, for the most minor infractions. These were coming from two of the biggest sociopaths I've ever run across, my parents. They like to play the role of the "great parents" while both mired in their own misgivings, (alcoholism, misogyny, adultery) you name it. It seemed that what ever we did was always worse when something wasn't working out for them. I grew up with an absolute fear of not knowing when or if something would set them off, as well as this terrible need to please others...I was afraid people would find out about the constant corporal punishment, and was embarrassed of what they may think of me. To put it mildly myself, as well as my siblings had a difficult time adjusting to adulthood since we were basically not permitted to think for ourselves, and the absolute fear of physical punishment if we did. Cut to my adulthood and subsequent two sons. I remembered everything from my childhood, and made sure I did the exact opposite of everything I learned growing up. What I've learned now that my son's are adults..."sparing the rod" can very well produced happy well adjusted people. My son's don't feel the consequences of being a whipping board for two emotionally dysfunctional people, and I see them in their early adult life (mid-20's) educated, adjusted and enjoying life in a way I really didn't learn 'til I met my wife and was well into adulthood. I for one feel that the level of corporal punishment in the Black community is the DIRECT CAUSE of the problems with learning, acting out violently, and the feeling of hopelessness that plagues so many of my people.

    November 13, 2011 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Maude

      I blame the white people for this.

      November 13, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      really...I am sorry your life was like that–but honestly you sound so white–if your parents had known you weren't really a black child, maybe they would have lightened up...seriously–I don't think I EVER heard a black so eloquently describe his raising esp since getting whippings was common among all blacks and not subject to "embarassment" in fact, back in the day, not only could your parents beat you but "aunties and people in the neighborhood who kept an eye out for you could also. Very sad indeed but I have to say you sound so white, I am doubting your blackness....

      November 13, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • LPW

        So . . . you apparently accept the premise that black is synonymous with violence.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        He sounds white because he's intelligent and articulate? Wow. Now we really do see that you are a troll. Run along now.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        i accept the premise that humans are susceptible to and practice violence and white people are some of the biggest hypocrites God still lets breathe air.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        "Queen" – did you bother to google the author of this article? Looks like the joke is on you. The author is not white. LOL. Please go back under your rock now.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • Stop

        Stop stereotyping. It's impossible for skin color to be seen through the way someone types. And it's ridiculous that you associate "educated" and "white". They are not the same thing.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        I agree, Stop. QueenBee is so racist it is almost laughable – if it wasn't so sad. I hope she gets the mental help and counceling she needs to be able to live a happy life.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Thia–you must be white also. Whites tend to be oblivious to nuance. I could careless what color the author is. Blacks are capable of racism and self hatred. Clarence Thomas is exhibit A, that has nothing to do with writing a racist article. I have met gays against gay marriage and blacks who felt the best remedy for other blacks was white censure and condemnation. That you fail to understand my remarks are not based on the authors race but his intent and verbiage sort of says a lot about you. The study was not scientific and it was not based on culture. It sought to pit the races against each other for some purpose. It succeeded. It is not the first time or the last–and just like we have had black apologists and overseers who often were even uglier and meaner than the masters they served, we have black enablers.

        It changes nothing, except it also shows your true colors and regardless of your race–enables me to hold YOU in as much contempt as anyone who dares to single out one group for something that all races do and many more do than the black race.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        LOL. First, the author is a "her". Please learn to read. Second, I don't believe you are african-american. I think you are nothing more than an angry troll looking to stir the pot. We see you for what you are. Now run along and find something productive to do with your day. No one is reading your posts except to laugh.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dee

        @QueenBee....You really need to get out more.You never heard "a black" describe themselves so eloquently huh? That is so ignorant, I would have kept it to myself. For the record, plenty of us "blacks" are capable of self-expression, reading and writing. Maybe if you took off your hood,you would realize this.

        As a black,female attorney, now 36, I am proud to say my parents never thought beating me was justified or served as a solution to disciplinary issues. QueenBee, maybe you would like to join one of our mixers which are filled with minority and female attorneys. You would be astonished at how well spoken we all are. I am sure you would not fit in based on the low level of intelligence you display, but it would open your eyes to reality. Every "black" is not a reflection of your stereotypes and prejudice.

        Thanks to the previous poster for stopping the cycle and apparently raising well adjusted, open-minded children without beatings.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Stop–given my proclivities for verbiage that can hardly be the case–who said I associated articulate typing with what I suspected? Did I say that or was that YOU and THIA who came up with that analysis?

        November 13, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Dee– I was being facetious when I described the eloquence of the person. I am black so I am used to eloquent speech as well as articulation what I am and was surprised at was the level of emotional masturb8tion in the post–but why are you guys spending so much time on that? That is deflection. The fact is, more whites beat than blacks and the article should have focused on cultural criteria and not on race–and I stand by that assertion no matter how you guys want to make it about that man's post. LOL

        November 13, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        Now who is deflecting, TrollBee? LOL. You are too much fun. Run along now.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Thia–what you believe about me is not relevant. The topic is this article and the fact the author strove to underline race and once again show blacks in an unfavorable light–I can engage in discourse if YOU can stay on topic–but if not, I see no need to waste my time with you as I don't come to play with kids. This issue is serious and how blacks are continually depicted is serious and I have no desire to be deflected by TROLLS. In short, I rarely feed trolls–you want to discuss this article fine, you want to debate who or what I am out of an A and B post conversation–play with and by yourself.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Thia–deflecting means to move away from the topic. Believe it or not it was not about another persons post or whether he or she was a he or she–had I known your mind was so limited, I would not have bothered to post to you in the first place–you really should just have a little troll arrow or something over your head–now–so you do not think this article unfairly cast blacks in a certain light and minimalized how whites were depicted?

        November 13, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        You actually said that you "doubted" the author's blackness of this original thread that we are commenting on and then are trying to backtrack. If you don't like the way that the african american author depicted statistics, then take it up with her. She has a twitter account and a FB page (according to google). It shouldn't be that hard to find. I think you just like crying injustice because you have nothing else to do and want to spew your hatred and anger.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • TJS

        Fantastic, I am glad that grammer, intelligence, and articulation are synonomous with white culture. Thank you queen. If I were black and you were to call me an Uncle Tom I would probably say "thank you". I think it's sad Queen that the "black community" would rather be "true" to their culture than come across as well read. I think instead of looking into the stigma of swatting your child on the butt, we need to look into the fact that "black folk" would rather embrace ebonics than be told they sound "white". We are truly all just humans. I personally am sick of everyone telling me to treat people equally when they are constantly pointing out their different. My family was not here for slavery when they "got off the boat" they were shoved straight into the Union Army and fought to keep this country together as well as for everyones right to freedom. I am done being punished for something I wasn't here for and for something my family fought for prior to even being citizens of this country.

        November 13, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Maude

      Thia, I have read all your comments and that of Queenbee's with interest. It seem to me you attack the person rather than arguing and discussing the subject at hand. All of Queenbee's comments are very well thought out and articulate.
      Challenge people with facts. Stop shouting through your e-mails.

      November 13, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Ah... I see–I was speaking about doubting the blackness of the author of the post not of the article, that would be Tonybklyn a person who writes any post is the author of that post and in posting to them I was speaking about him feeling sorry for himself. It had nothing to do with the author I seldom speak to authors of articles within blogs–unless they are blogging. You were confused–but now that I know where you are coming from–please go back and read my comment to TonyBklyn (that is who we are posting under) my remarks were for him or her, not the author–though I have commented that the author appears to be biased, I dialog with bloggers not writers on Cnn. is it more clear NOW?

      November 13, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        Actually, no, you are wrong. I was speaking of the author of the post. You keep doubting his "blackness" because he is articulate. You don't see anything wrong with that???

        November 13, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • jo

      Well said....I agree...and I will repeat...'THERE IS NO REASON FOR ONE HUMAN BEING TO STRIKE ANOTHER...should be and I believe will be, someday, a felony....

      November 13, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • egg2419

        Well I don't know about you, but if someone was trying to kill me and my family, I would remove their capability to do so by almost any means possible.

        And on a less serious note, ever heard of boxing? MMA? Some men fight for fun. If both parties would like to engage in recreation requiring minor bodily harm, is there anything wrong with that? I would rather play football than do something more closely related to striking with the intent to harm, but some people do like it, and they aren't trying to cause harm, and rarely do.

        Back to the serious note. If you can parent without corporeal punishment, good for you. As for me, I'd rather swat me two year old on the bottom when he runs out into traffic than lecture him on how dangerous it can be, only to have him do it again because he doesn't understand both the words and the concepts.

        November 13, 2011 at 6:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • egg2419

      I'm not sure all the people out there supporting a ban of corporeal punishment realize that corporeal punishment is only as much abuse as sending a child to timeout. A flick on the back of the hand counts as corporeal punishment. Can corporeal punishment be abused? Yes. Definitely. Can all other form of punishment be abused? If there's one that can't, I'd love to hear it. Nobody is saying that you have to use corporeal punishment on your child either, if you don't think it works on your child, don't use it. Most of us don't believe in a swat as the first response to most misbehavior, but there comes a time when some sort of punishment is required. Many of us believe a swat works much better than grounding a child – at least in some cases.

      I'm sorry that you were abused as a child, but corporeal punishment doesn't have to be instantly abuse, or caused by anger.

      November 13, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Report abuse |
  42. CarolinaKate

    Queen B:
    Your first 4 are correct: There are virtually no black serial killers, serial rapists, or mass murderers. Both the real number and statistical percentage are miniscule. The last 3 are incorrect, in part because you're comparing percentages to numbers. In the case of “in prison,” both the number and the percentage are incorrect. The majority of inmates are black, and the per capita percentage of the total racial population is higher. But it is not necessarily because more black people commit crimes – there are a lot of other variables, including economic factors (who can afford the best lawyer), recidivism and multiple-crime offenders, sentencing bias within the legal system, and bias within the local or regional pool of potential jurors. It appears that more white people use methamphetamine, and more black people use crack – they are equally dangerous in terms of potential violence.

    However! We need to quit throwing racial rocks at each other and look at the real problem: The largest percentage and number of inmates and criminals, as well as the number of crimes committed, come from the skyrocketing increase in people, frequently younger and mostly male, that are either gang-affiliated or gang members. Gangs rule our jails and prisons. They maintain the peace, and administer the discipline. Gang hierarchies are structured like corporations and the ‘top dogs’ order their subordinates to do the dirty work. If the ‘top dogs’ get caught, they can afford the best lawyers and escape the hard consequences.

    Regardless of race, ethnicity, culture, etc., we, as a society, have got to figure out why our young people feel so disenfranchised and powerless that they join gangs – criminal corporations – to feel safe, have a sense of belonging, and receive the support and encouragement they need. We are rapidly losing the best, brightest, most enterprising, and most organizationally-minded individuals of the upcoming generation(s). They are actively recruiting youth who show intelligence, demonstrate a willingness to commit to and dedicate all they have or ever will be to an organizational concept, and show the strength and courage to do whatever-it-takes to rise up through the gang’s ‘corporate structure.’

    If we do not see the gangs for what they are and find a way to address the underlying issues, people like Stan “Tookie” Williams or Raymond Washington, co-founders of the Crips, or Omar “OG Mack” Portee, founder of the Bloods, will be sitting in the Oval Office, with “Monster” Kody Scott, and “Smokey” Ernesto Miranda, as Vice President/President of the Senate and Speaker of the House. Hell’s Angels and Outlaws also clean up nicely. The leaders of these gangs are smart, cagey, driven, organized and not afraid to get their hands dirty to get what they want: power, recognition and money.

    November 13, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      we know why people join gangs. They join for protection, a sense of self and identification and for power and a certain amount of street and personal credibility. All gangs demand fealty and rites of passage not dissimilar to joining a military platoon but the nature of ghetto life allows people to be myopic and not see "selling street pharmaceuticals" as wrong and that they are not businessmen with an undercover tax free business. As for gangs in prisons–prisons are a world unto themselves with hierarchies that even the guards and warden respects–they run the joints. most blacks know this–what black males fail to understand is :

      1. That the braggadocio that gets you street cred will also get you arrested or targeted by police

      2. Once in the system it is hard to get out as cops will often coerce and frame men to rat on others or pretend like they did to compromise their safety and then get them to help the police. Most blacks either have a family member or friends who are or have been in prison. We all know how it goes.

      We also know that the police force is one of the biggest, meanest and crookedest gangs around. That said–thank you for correcting my stats–I have not looked up new stats for years believing most to be static or barely changing. I do know that the fastest growing population in the US is hispanic but have not taken the time to look at new prison stats. The last time was in 2009 ans while many stated statistically blacks were the largest demographic based on % of black males–whites were still the largest represented group though they were no longer in the lead for new arrests –rather that was being take over by hispanics and blacks

      November 13, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • truthfl1

      There were black serial killers and one of those in the news maybe early 80's. A Chicago public school student of my mother's was one of the victims. She was maybe 6 yrs old, went down south TN maybe to visit relatives and disappeared.
      He was caught Don't remember details or his name. It was on national news, people forget.

      November 13, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • CarolinaKate

        The only one I can think of is Wayne Williams, in Atlanta, GA. That would be close to the same times frame, but most or all of his victims were boys. Nonetheless, black serial killers, serial rapists, etc., are almost unheard of.

        November 14, 2011 at 9:04 am | Report abuse |
    • a slozomby

      "There are virtually no black serial killers, serial rapists, or mass murderers" unless you count most of central africa

      November 14, 2011 at 2:55 am | Report abuse |
      • CarolinaKate

        That's an entirely different situation. The behavior may be the same, but you really can't the two.

        November 14, 2011 at 9:10 am | Report abuse |
      • CarolinaKate

        ... can't compare the two. (Sorry, I missed a word.)

        November 14, 2011 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
  43. docB

    I feel very sorry for people who can't handle statistics. If you don't like the statistics then help change culture one person at a time. The hatred and bitterness toward white people expressed on this site especially by queenbee10 appearently runs very deep and there are good counselors that can help you and you family deal with the race issue and help put an end to racism one person at a time.

    November 13, 2011 at 12:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Maude

      Don't feel sorry Doc, just stop the hatred and applozise for what your ancesters did in past. Yes you people are to blame- now go away.

      November 13, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        Apologize for what our Ancestors did? Umm...ok. I'm sorry that my ancestors were thrown into concentration camps. Now what on earth does that have to do with anything? Stop blaming other people and tihngs that happened 200 years ago and step up and take accountability for yourself.

        November 13, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        And maybe you should quit with all of your assumptions and learn history. I'm not jewish nor was my family. Jews weren't the only ones thrown into the camps.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        @TrollBee – why don't you acknowledge what your people are doing in the Sudan and reflect on that for a while?

        November 13, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thia

      "QueenBee" needs some serious medication.

      November 13, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Maude

        And now you think you're a doctor prescribing Queenbee medication. How did you come to a conclusion that QB needs medication? This is typical behaviour by you people. I still stay that Doc needs to applozise for his ancester's mistakes. Take responisiblity for all the mess they caused on this earth including throwing there own kind in concentration camps.

        November 13, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Maude- Obviously Thia is a troll whose sole purpose is to race bait or try to bait individuals, what she does not do is debate. I propose we ignore her–she obviously has no opinion and like most Trolls only wants to matter and wants attention. Not someone I want to waste even a scintilla of a sentence on any longer.

        November 13, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        "You people". What does that mean??

        November 13, 2011 at 10:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      ..and I feel sorry for people who skew stats to their own ends and minimalize or ignore the ramifications of those same stats to their own group and problems–or can you not see that? LOL

      November 13, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Brendan

    Corporal punishment has made the African-American community so messed up. They think violence is the solution to everything these days

    November 13, 2011 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Kierra

    Actually, the phrase "Spare the rod and spoil the child," comes from a poem:

    Contrary to popular belief, this exact statement was not found in the Bible. It was from a poem written by Samual Butler in 1664.

    If matrimony and hanging go
    By dest'ny, why not whipping too?
    What med'cine else can cure the fits
    Of lovers when they lose their wits?
    Love is a boy by poets stil'd
    Then spare the rod and spoil the child

    Proverbs 13:24 Most likely refers to 'the rod' as the Staff of Jesus, not an instrument to be used in violence.

    "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is a distillation of the proverb.

    November 13, 2011 at 12:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • J.

      Well said. The old adage probably had nothing to do with violence whatsoever.

      November 13, 2011 at 12:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • PS

      Thank you for pointing this out Kierra. I discovered this recently as well when arguing with friends who still think "whupping a child's butt" is okay. They didn't exactly respond when I pointed this out, and also found a Christian article that states the "rod" referred to in Scripture was more like a staff used to *gently* guide a flock, not to beat the hell out of the sheep.

      November 13, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • egg2419

        II'm not sure all the people out there supporting a ban of corporeal punishment realize that corporeal punishment is only as much abuse as sending a child to timeout. A flick on the back of the hand counts as corporeal punishment. Can corporeal punishment be abused? Yes. Definitely. Can all other form of punishment be abused? If there's one that can't, I'd love to hear it. Nobody is saying that you have to use corporeal punishment on your child either, if you don't think it works on your child, don't use it. Most of us don't believe in a swat as the first response to most misbehavior, but there comes a time when some sort of punishment is required. Many of us believe a swat works much better than grounding a child – at least in some cases.

        November 13, 2011 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • a slozomby

      the biblical punishment for not listening to your parents was stoning to death.

      November 14, 2011 at 2:57 am | Report abuse |
  46. queenbee10

    You know what is different about this article? The amount of people calling this mess out. It is like most of us have had enough and so , when they try the latest in the "see how terrible blacks are and we should tell them what to do" Others are seeing it and calling them out on it. THANK YOU. Whites could never, ever take the kind of treatment they have meted out to blacks and Hispanics and Asians and Indians and yes Native Americans and Latinos all of these centuries–they can't even take Affirmative Action.

    November 13, 2011 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
    • soupinabowl

      I happen to be black, never laid a hand on my kids. Do I mind these statistics? No. I remember the treatment I recieved as a child, that's why I raised my children differently. I know what went on in my neighbors homes, heck even out in public. A smack upside the head so hard the hand is bruised because jr says something "stupid" is taken very likely in too many households. The abuse needs to stop and so does the denial.

      November 13, 2011 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Bayousara

    My father woke me out of my sleep at age 6 to take me to the garage and beat me with a stick. He lost me as a daughter at age 17 when he strangled me to within an inch of my life. I got away and he came after me. Had it not been for a friend who had just showed up at the house, I would be dead today. Too many kids are treated brutally like this. Parents, if you don't want your newborn, don't strangle it, just take it to the fire or police station. Parents, if you need to beat your kids, call Children's Services and ask that they be removed from your house. Or find another relative or family friend (if you have one) to take them. I hated my father till he died and rejoiced when he did.

    November 13, 2011 at 10:44 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      I hear you and feel you–but just so you know–right before I sent my oldest away to his father–he forged my name (yet again) on my credit cards then a drug store called me and told me he was stealing. I brought him home and did not beat him–I called the police instead and asked that they come and get him–they told me they could do nothing until after the fact. I then called DCS (that was the name before CPS) they said the same thing, they told me to call an abuse hot line. I had to lock myself in the bathroom. In the end, he did not get the whipping from me–but as I learned later–he did similar things to his dad and his dad wore him out. He was so grateful to come back to me 4 years later. And those whippings made him a changed person. The thing is–he cannot forgive me for "sending him away" but somehow he has no problem forgiving his father for beating him over and over all those years.. THATS the way love goes.

      November 13, 2011 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
    • J.

      "Parents, if you need to beat your kids, call Children's Services and ask that they be removed from your house." – So the children can be beaten and raped (or worse) by strangers in foster care? How about calling 911 and asking the police to remove and arrest the perpetrator for assault and keep the rest of the family together.

      November 13, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Chris

    Probably as soon as someone with credibility joins the protests...

    November 13, 2011 at 10:20 am | Report abuse |
  49. rebecca19

    Queen bee shut up already. I have never been racist and have dated black men. My daughters daycare is run by a very nice African American family and are our best friends. My kids dolls are black, her favorite princess is black....yet I have to hear about how racist i am every god-damned day. Some boys keep jumping in front of my moving vehicle and throwing balls at my windshield while I am driving through the neighbourhood and when I finally talked to the father about it he shouted at me about me being racist. What?&??? Stop MAKING me racist and forcing me to hate you.

    November 13, 2011 at 10:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Rebecca19

      And no, I'm not 19. I'm 30, but can't type very well on my cell-phone, hense the #19.

      November 13, 2011 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Who you have dated is not relevant and telling me to shut up is silly when you are not in a position to make me. You have no credentials as far as what I am writing goes–I am calling out this article and those who defend it –if you have a point to make on the article, do so, if your only point is to silence me and for some reason, you think dating black men means something, then regardless of your age, catch a clue and grow up. I will shut up when I finish what I wish to say and not a minute before–if you don't want to read what I post–no one is making you.

      November 13, 2011 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
      • Maude

        Shut up already !

        November 13, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      If you hate people who point out racism–the problem lies in you–no one makes another person be racist. If you are due to my point of view then you have much deeper problems than a boy throwing balls at your window. I call it like I see it and I state what should be the obvious–but if it bothers you–kiss my natural black (as opposed to tanned ) round (as opposed to bootie pops) bottom.

      November 13, 2011 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
      • Travis

        Sounds like you are the racist one in this conversation. Kiss my Black round bottom? Are you serious? How mature of you to make such a comment. I'm sure if some body told you to kiss their white flat bottom that would be racist. Grow up,,,,,,,,

        November 13, 2011 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Travis–I really wanted to tell her to kiss my natural black azz but I was not sure the moderator would let that slip in and I am grown–grown people do curse occasionally and since she wanted to shut me up–I can offer up whatever I like as for being racist–trust me-my level of racism could never equal what whites have said and done to me and others–just rest easy–I don't lynch and I don't use the government or my color to dominate others or excuse my people–can you say the same? LOL

        November 13, 2011 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
  50. WCJ

    Why are we wasting time and money studying which ethnic group uses corporal punishment more often ? It is wasted money.America is supposed to be a melting pot. The media tries to make alot of things into a race thing which helps keep America divided. Go study something that will help turn the American economy around instead stuff like this.

    November 13, 2011 at 10:09 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      If this was the only way we were divided that would be one thing.. but if not this then it is money–if not money then it is religion and if not religion then it is politics–no matter what keep us distracted, in the mean time, we are not supposed to notice the stores are carrying only just in time inventories, and businesses are deteriorating and taking longer to meet or place special orders and the politicians are acting like they are on a burning ship and trying to grab all they can before it sinks.

      Race is the best distraction and on its heels are abortion, gay marriage, politics and religion–if they can keep us at each others throats then they can loot us and the treasury and by the time we realize our country has gone under, we will only be willing to point at each other and never will notice what they have done to us.

      November 13, 2011 at 10:35 am | Report abuse |
  51. peaceearth88

    Queenbee10 may be very strident in her defense of the African American people but it is true to me that most of the media appears to use these statistics to make the blacks "look bad" and to implicitly make the Caucasians look good. Most of the statistics in studies on CNN show that Asians 1) do better in school, 2) are less incarcerated, 3) beat their children less, 4) stayed married more etc. etc. but the media likes to ignore those facts since it doesn't sound sensational or makes the Caucasians look somewhat inferior by comparison. There was a group recently at Berkeley who made a price list for muffins which gave the highest price to the whites and lowest to the blacks as symbol that blacks have been given preferential treatment in society. Its makes a good story to let whites know that they are the good guys and the poor blacks the bad guys given preferential treatment yet still not making it. The real story behind that story is twofold; that white students have a legacy system in place that allow some 10-15% of students get in because they are related to the school or the parents are big donors etc. (Legacy students are overwhelming white) That is a lot more people who get in that way than through affirmative action. The media does not like to talk about it because it doesn't make the white kids look good in my opinion and therefore not good news story. The other part of the same story is that Asian kids have significant higher GPAs and SATs etc to get in the same schools as the whites did. It may simply be because of the high percentage of white kids who get in because of the legacy system which brings the overall GPAs down. The Asian kids are probably the only group that does NOT have some kind of affirmative action system in place ( compared to whties, blacks and Hispanics)

    November 13, 2011 at 10:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Banny Mellweather

      Wait a minute, doesn't the media often report on the "model minorities"?

      November 13, 2011 at 10:32 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Affirmative action is for ALL minorities including Asians and females (including white females) the only group excluded are white males but AA also only mandates a set aside of 5% of jobs for minorities and females (either/and /or) with the rest going to white males and this only applies to companies who do business with the US government.

        November 13, 2011 at 10:41 am | Report abuse |
  52. Eric

    There is no such thing as race, we are all humans. people dwell to much on what makes us diffrent. I say we are all worthless. go find some real news to report . Here is a topic for you: Why is it that stupidity is more abundant in people that interject everything into race?

    November 13, 2011 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
  53. Jaded

    The President of the United States is black. Stop making excuses and blaming past generations for you being down trodden. Get over it and save your community.

    November 13, 2011 at 9:39 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Downtrodden has no bearing on skewed stats neither does the past–stop ignoring the fact that 158 million whites beat their kids and that number is more than all the black, Hispanic and Asian people beating combined. Clean your own house first–not to mention whites are more likely to :

      1. serial kill
      2.serially rape kids and kill them
      3. beat or harm their parents or families
      4. mass murder or rampage kill
      5. be on welfare
      6. be in prison
      7. use violent drugs like crystal meth

      Stop pointing fingers at every other race and CLEAN YOUR OWN HOUSE. But first –take a real good look at your own house–take a look at your teenage pregnancy rate and the glorification of it on tv while denigrating other races with the same issue

      Take a look at your welfare rate and stop thinking all or even most blacks or on welfare and admit that 75% of the recipients are white

      Stop whining about rap music when death metal, punk and some rock advocate destruction and denigrate women also

      Stop trying to pretend there is not a negative racist, poll or study out almost twice per week pitting the races against each other.

      Stop nursing wounds over the past and willing to cherry pick aspects of the Civil war and abe Lincoln while ignoring the parts you do not want to remember.

      Stop talking about racism being dead when many whites are racist as hell

      As for Obama–stop declaring his half whiteness (as you do with most light complected black singers or actors as if you must lay claim to them–then turn around and throw them at us to prove something.

      If Oprah is rich and Obama is President that says NOTHING for the remaining 44 million 999, 990 people who are not President or rich any more than Dahmer being a cannibal says anything about other whites and what they eat.

      Stop acting like a black going to jail means we all have gone to jail–unless when you have a lying or killing or stealing or mass murdering white we are supposed to think all whites do that too. We are not the borg–we are individuals and we are tired of whites being so insecure that they spend most of their waking time trying to compare us to them. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR RACE Get it together–don't bother telling blacks to make it on their own merit if yours consist of putting others down to make yourselves look taller. EVERYONE SEES YOU –and really you don't even like yourselves.

      November 13, 2011 at 9:57 am | Report abuse |
      • Chris

        Somebody's cranky.

        November 13, 2011 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Chris–yes I am and it has been 50 years in the making.

        November 13, 2011 at 10:43 am | Report abuse |
      • CarolinaKate

        Your first 4 are correct: There are virtually no black serial killers, serial rapists, or mass murderers. Both the real number and statistical percentage are miniscule. The last 3 are incorrect, in part because you're comparing percentages to numbers. In the case of “in prison,” both the number and the percentage are incorrect. The majority of inmates are black, and the per capita percentage of the total racial population is higher. But it is not necessarily because more black people commit crimes – there are a lot of other variables, including economic factors (who can afford the best lawyer), recidivism and multiple-crime offenders, sentencing bias within the legal system, and bias within the local or regional pool of potential jurors. It appears that more white people use methamphetamine, and more black people use crack – they are equally dangerous in terms of potential violence.

        However! We need to quit throwing racial rocks at each other and look at the real problem: The largest percentage and number of inmates and criminals, as well as the number of crimes committed, come from the skyrocketing increase in people, frequently younger and mostly male, that are either gang-affiliated or gang members. Gangs rule our jails and prisons. They maintain the peace, and administer the discipline. Gang hierarchies are structured like corporations and the ‘top dogs’ order their subordinates to do the dirty work. If the ‘top dogs’ get caught, they can afford the best lawyers and escape the hard consequences.

        Regardless of race, ethnicity, culture, etc., we, as a society, have got to figure out why our young people feel so disenfranchised and powerless that they join gangs – criminal corporations – to feel safe, have a sense of belonging, and receive the support and encouragement they need. We are rapidly losing the best, brightest, most enterprising, and most organizationally-minded individuals of the upcoming generation(s). They are actively recruiting youth who show intelligence, demonstrate a willingness to commit to and dedicate all they have or ever will be to an organizational concept, and show the strength and courage to do whatever-it-takes to rise up through the gang’s ‘corporate structure.’

        If we do not see the gangs for what they are and find a way to address the underlying issues, people like Stan “Tookie” Williams or Raymond Washington, co-founders of the Crips, or Omar “OG Mack” Portee, founder of the Bloods, will be sitting in the Oval Office, with “Monster” Kody Scott, and “Smokey” Ernesto Miranda, as Vice President/President of the Senate and Speaker of the House. Hell’s Angels and Outlaws also clean up nicely. The leaders of these gangs are smart, cagey, driven, organized and not afraid to get their hands dirty to get what they want: power, recognition and money.

        November 13, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • lol @ you queen bee

        go to sudan or darfur and tell me that blacks dont eat and rape eachother.

        November 13, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        But that would mean that QueenBee (sooo much is said with her username) would have to race reality and we know she isn't going to do that.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        ol @ you queen bee

        go to sudan or darfur and tell me that blacks dont eat and rape eachother.–YOU are weird. I don't need to go to Sudan or Darfur–MY HOUSE is here and this is what I focus on and take care of. I don't need to do more than take care of my own and defend my own and repudiate stupid azz comments made by apologists for racist bs. And I can do all of that and never leave the US–as for who eats who–who cares–the point is we do not blame all whites for what ONE has done, they need to do the same for blacks and they also need to take care of their own issues before trying to get knee deep in ours. That's it.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • tensor

        FYI: The two most notorious serial killers in the news over the past year are black, though the unifying factor is they are male. There likely would be more but the victims are always female and the U.S. doesn't really give a crap about females, especially black ones, so the body count just doesn't get anyone's attention until the black serial killer screws up so boldly that he gets himself caught.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
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      • elenore

        Maybe it's not whites and Blacks, but Boomers who happen to be whites and blacks who can't get over Racial Nonsense and continue to as the controllers of media and politics to fan the flames of racial and culture wars.Until Boomers are gone nothing will move ahead,Maybe it was WW2 generation who destroyed Detroit,Flint,and Pontiac Michigan with racial fighting(many who who southern implants both Black and White)But Boomers won't let it go.And let young generations rebuild the Metros.

        November 13, 2011 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Maude

      half black my friend, half black !

      He had a white mother

      November 13, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
  54. DelFuego

    Yeah we are still burning witches, putting people in stocks, throwing them in debtors prisons and on and on ad nauseum. Oh wait no we aren't. We learned, we got better and moved on. Using slavery as an excuse for people 4 and 5 generations is absolutely the weakest excuse ever. I am willing to bet that when American slavery has been gone for 500 years we will still be hearing the same excuses. I for one am sick of it.

    November 13, 2011 at 8:19 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      It's not about slavery–it is about the white tendency to focus on what is wrong with others while being in denial about their own faults–and most other races are SICK of that from white people. Clean your own house and you can start with WHITE penal issues, WHITE social problems, WHITE criminality and 158 million white people beating kids–then when you have yourselves all figured out, maybe other races will listen to you–because by then you just might be for one of the first times..CREDIBLE.

      November 13, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
  55. wildagreen

    what a surprise, huh?...it's not like they commit the most crimes or that they score lowest on every test of intellect no matter how it's constructed or tailored to help them pass, it's not like they have the midas touch in reverse when it comes to neighborhoods, property values et al, it's not like every black government on the planet is a basket case of the most atrocious criminality and greed since ancient rome...if any of the above were true, then i'd believe this. but i think this is just white racism...this can't be true...not these people...

    November 13, 2011 at 7:13 am | Report abuse |
  56. Lepke

    This is not a race question. It is cultural.

    November 13, 2011 at 5:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Zalpha

      Hear hear!

      November 13, 2011 at 8:32 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      WHAT THIS STUDY REALLY MEANS IN REAL NUMBERS–it means that in the USA, (if the numbers are accurate) it means 39 million blacks are beating their kids and 158 million whites are beating their kids and around 48 million HIspanics are beating their kids–but lets focus on the black ones because since they have the "highest %" even though more whites are beating than Hispanic. Asian and Black parents COMBINED. THAT is what this means. BUT OF COURSE TO WRITE IT THAT WAY WOULD BE UHM..RACIST, RIGHT?

      November 13, 2011 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
      • Buck

        Blacl racists like you are a dime-a-dozen, and you're boring. Get over yourself.

        November 13, 2011 at 8:49 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        LOL. Yep. Nonetheless more whites beat their kids than ALL the other races combined and it shows up in the numbers of them in jail, on meth, beating and killing their parents and families, serial killling and raping and mass murdering and shooting up schools and raping/molesting kids in schools –can't deny those numbers–we black racists exist as a counter balance to all the white racists, though statistically speaking, you white racists outnumber all the racists of blacks, Hispanics and Asians combined. LOL

        November 13, 2011 at 9:04 am | Report abuse |
      • Richard

        yea and the jails are mostly filled with your kind!

        November 13, 2011 at 9:07 am | Report abuse |
    • seattlekatie

      "This is not a race question. It is cultural."

      VERY well put, Leske.

      And ignorance is also NOT a color.

      November 13, 2011 at 8:49 am | Report abuse |
      • tensor

        night, so you think the only racist people in the world are white. LOL. You didn't finish 3rd grade, did you? There is not one single successful black-led city in this country, despite whites voting for and giving blacks the benefit of the doubt beyond all reason.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      I agree–but as long as it is played out or depicted as race and as long as we remain the barometer by which whites judge themselves or compare themselves–we are going to have problems because we are not going to let the term "culture" be the new euphemism for race. if it was about culture then those aspects of culture should have been the polling criteria–it was not. And culture is not race, right? So instead of asking what color people were , the study should have focused on economics, education, geography, religion–you know–ACTUAL ASPECTS OF UHM..CULTURE?

      November 13, 2011 at 10:02 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Then cultural questions should have been the criteria and THOSE are what should have been asked. Instead the only focus appears to have been race and its sole purpose to measure each race against the other–racist.

      November 13, 2011 at 10:45 am | Report abuse |
      • DW

        Coercing people that have little interest in each other to live together is failing miserably. Separation is the only peaceful solution, everything else will be messy. And no, telling everybody to get over themselves and get along is stupid, people like those that are like them and share a common worldview. People typically don't think about or, for that matter dislike, those that are not around them. How many extra unnecessary problems are experienced by navigating this so-called multicultural society where increasing numbers of people base their life around who they don't like? Who believes this can end well?

        November 13, 2011 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
  57. blacks

    blacks will take all the racist compliments: best athlete, big pe – nis, etc, but will throw a fit if it is not positive. Furthermore, CNN will always not talk about race if it falls in the latter. Lets face it the races are not equal just call it for what it is. blacks bring down property values, I've seen these guys move in my neighborhood in long island before i moved out. they destroyed a suburban community and there are helicopters flying all over the place and random violence even against the elderly.

    November 13, 2011 at 4:44 am | Report abuse |
  58. herbys

    Or maybe African Americans are more transparent about it. Or maybe there are more than do it but do it less often.
    I think the numbers are so close (all ethnic groups are very likely to use physical punishment) that drawing any conclusions is baseless. I mean, if60% of African Americans did it and 20% of whites did it, it would mean something. But 89% vs. 79% means nothing.

    November 13, 2011 at 4:12 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      About the only thing I can think of that could skew the numbers would be that blacks are targetted with violent rap music as something to embrace and look up to. Kids are impressionable, and if they're told violence is good through music, they could act up more, and their parents might feel the need to disipline more. That might be enough to increase the incidence by 10% It's an indirect influence, but it might be enough to skew the data depending on where the data is taken. For example, how about in other countries, how about over time, at times when music didn't idolize violence for a specific race?

      November 13, 2011 at 4:55 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      And if it is ever correlated to violent rap music targetted at blacks, well black leaders, what do you have to say for yourselves? And not just black leaders, but everyone, why promote violence in music targetted at black kids? It's not good to do that, it's bad, and there is a very real possibility that the 10% higher number for blacks is a direct result of violent music aimed at blacks. Instead, wouldn't it be better to give black kids role models that love and care about others, and to reject violence and to avoid doing stupid things that hurt others? What a shame if that is the cause of it.

      November 13, 2011 at 5:43 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Hmmmm let's think about the violence in say–Insane Clown Posse or Marilyn Manson? hello pot, meet kettle. There are no halos here.

        November 13, 2011 at 9:06 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      actually herbys it means that in the USA, (if the numbers are accurate) it means 39 million blacks are beating their kids and 158 million whites are beating their kids and around 48 million HIspanics are beating their kids–but lets focus on the black ones because since they have the "highest %" even though more whites are beating than Hispanic. Asian and Black parents COMBINED. THAT is what this means.

      November 13, 2011 at 8:33 am | Report abuse |
  59. John

    At some point black racists will need to stop blaming whites for everything, or sooner or later, you will have to blame me being white, as the cause of Oprah being a billionair. At the point blacks realize this (after they stop listening to the racist propaganda drone into them day after day), blacks will realize, my being white, I'm not the cause of any of it. I didn't make Oprah a billionair, and I didn't cause any blacks to do this or that, or anything else. They and I, we both do whatever we want. Oprah's a billionair, and there are lots of white familes on welfare, their race didn't stop them from advancing, or help them advance, black or white.

    November 13, 2011 at 3:07 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      And at some point, whites (racist or not) will have to not only take ownership of what they did or did not do in the past but what they refuse to recognizze now–like the facts concerning serial killing, the amount of white people on welfare, the white teachers molesting minority students, the mass murders, the propensity to murder/suicide their families, their plethora of killings involving guns and random strangers at their jobs–some blacks but many more whites–and their tendency to not see the other side of stats or present that other side. Like I said and I have yet heard a white person acknowledge–158 million whites that these stats indicate beat their kids trumps the combined total of Asians, Blacks and Hispanics and rather than continue to castigate or decry the black plight and their kids–take a good, long look at yourselves–at what you do–at how your race hides from the things you do–how your race pretends that the poster child for welfare is black and for prison is black and how your race sugar coats the rapes/killings of kids left and right and all the molestations and all the women who drown their babies or kill them then blame them on nefarious black m en, ignoring your meth labs, making reality tv shows for your pregnancies, etc–CLEAN your house more.

      BEFORE you present yourself as either an arbiter or child rearing or a fount of wisdom to Blacks or any other group–clean your own mess–because as long as that is ignored–all the races will ignore your opinions, and pronouncements and your kangaroo bogus science studies which only prove that once again you need a self esteem boost at the expense of blacks. Unlike whites–blacks do not look down to compare themselves to others –we set our sights higher and hypocrites, liars, war mongers, torturers and fakes are last on our list of people to look up to.

      November 13, 2011 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
    • soupinabowl

      It's over lady. Deal with that and work on seeing what you can do to help these parents who are struggling and taking it out on their children. You do not understand the affects of abuse, it's obvious.

      November 13, 2011 at 12:05 pm | Report abuse |
  60. vankimber

    I don't understand the point that is constantly made about people using the same methods they were raised with, no matter what their ethnicity may be. Don't these people remember what that was like for them? The terror, the pain, the screaming until you ran out of breath-how can you remember that and then inflict the same on your own child? Yes, I was beaten, but I raised 4 terrific kids without passing on that nightmare of a legacy. I would rather be shot than hurt my child that way. Why don't people remember? And, oh, what I would give to be able to forget!

    November 13, 2011 at 2:19 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Our weekly dose of white vs black comparison. Now, do all of you whites feel better? See ya in 2 days or so when a poll will be out comparing whites and blacks again...as if there are no other races–all done so whites can breathe a sigh of relief and "feel good " about themselves–too bad the self esteem boost never seems to last more than 3 days or so and must ETERNALLY be done. PATHETIC.

      November 13, 2011 at 2:25 am | Report abuse |
      • John

        What's pathetic is that stupidity is being branded as racism, and we're supposed to buy into it and prop it up. If some stupid white guy kills a black, for some reason I'm supposed to listen to a long winded rant about how blacks are down trodden and my being white is the cause of it. Why is that? How about just calling the white guy that did the stupid stuff, call him stupid, how about that? Why is it white and black and not stupidity? Likewise if a black guy shoots a white guy and he's in the hospital and later dies from the wounds, now I have to listen to whites saying blacks are too violent etc... how about just saying the black guy was stupid and did a stupid thing? Is there some law against calling people stupid for doing stupid things? Why is stupidity rebranded as racism? Why should I care about racism if I don't care about someone's race? I'm white and I don't give a damn if someone is black, just like they don't care if I'm white, or care that Oprah's a billinoair so who's holding them back, and who's downtrodding the poor white family on welfare... I just don't care about it. Racism is rebranded stupidity. That's about all that can be said about it, that makes any sense.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:40 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Then you give us your long whiney rant. Let us know John, when blacks can expect white people to stop the comparison ad nauseum that they have been engaging in for the past 200+ years and still do...like now...LOL Guess what? Blacks are more tired of this BS than whites who are usually the ones perpetuating it.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:57 am | Report abuse |
      • John

        And there you go, you're saying that "whites perpetuate it". No, it's stupid people that are perpetuating it. Why does someone being stupid, or saying something stupid, have to be about their race rather than about their stupidity?

        November 13, 2011 at 3:16 am | Report abuse |
      • herbys

        John, you are right, but suck it up. It is the price of having enslaved and mistreated other people for generations. The "abuse" whites have to sustain today is a joke compared with the real abuse previous generations whites inflicted in blacks. Yes, it is different people, and you are all much better people now, but when you see unfairness today, always look at what caused it, and you'll see that all your complains are petty compared to what came before.

        November 13, 2011 at 4:15 am | Report abuse |
      • DelFuego

        herbys- Why must people pay for the sins of their fathers? Your statement is apologetic beyond belief. At what point does it stop? I really hope your comment was sarcasm.

        November 13, 2011 at 8:05 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Del fuego, people must pay for the sins of their fathers, because people as a rule continue to benefit and exploit the rewards of those same fathers. If the South still mourns and lives then so does the legacy of slavery. If Lincoln can be invoked, so can John Brown. if we can use the media to call up bogus stats to castigate or cloak blacks in negativism, then the same data can indict whites. it is all in who wields it and frankly it is about time, whites are made to also stand in the sheet piles they keep making then saying everyone else stinks.

        November 13, 2011 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        John–if you lob a ball of hate or racism at blacks–KNOW that the days are gone when blacks just quietly take it or sing Kumbayah or accpet their lot. We are going to start throwing the mirror right back with all the sins whites try to pretend they do not have–and if whites as a race want to play the race card or try to continue to make blacks their whipping boy then we are going point out the hypocrisy because for too long (like since the 1600s) whites have managed to do a lot of evil and NEVER take responsibility always blaming it on others and trying to divide people. Well , if the bogus stats say a lot about blacks they say even worse things about whites–and we did not do the study or write the article–a black person just went the next step and did the calculations of the %.

        As for perpetuating...if whites do not want stuff lobbed at them maybe they ought to stop dishing stuff out. Because its RIGHT BACK ATCHA DAY.

        November 13, 2011 at 9:13 am | Report abuse |
      • John

        To take the blame for slavery, I would have to have owned a slave in the past. I did not, I would have to be about 170 years old for that, and I'm no where near that. You might not realize it, but Indians also bought slaves, and some slaves were white. So to be true to the view you propose, you also need to ask Indians to accept blame if they're 170 years old and lived in the south. I don't live in the south, so I'd have to be even older to be a slave owner. And if all you want is fair, then neither of us should live in America, it was pretty much taken from the natives before then, so both of us should move out of America if you want make things right. But that's not all, our ancestors fought in many battles on multiple continents, and because they lived on to produce us, a lot of other people died and had their pocessions taken. We owe them too, to the point that we probably shouldn't live anywhere on the planet.

        Given that we're both going to do the right thing, see you on Mars when I get there.

        November 13, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
  61. fairfax358

    IIf you really blame white race for them beating their slaves in the old days and think that affects you for being a descendant of slaves, then you should be thanking the white race! If they did not have those slaves and if history did not go the exact way it did, you would never have been born!

    November 13, 2011 at 1:35 am | Report abuse |
  62. Mary

    Beating children is not the answer. Only a coward would beat innocent, defenseless children. Not much better than an animal.

    November 13, 2011 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Based on the stats in the article if 89% of blacks are likely to beat that would be around 38 million blacks...if 79% of whites are likely to beat that translates to 158 million likely to beat–now in REAL numbers guess which is more? Sans the new math of stats which allows us to skew actual data and facts? YEP talk to the 158 million whites who may beat then to the 38 million blacks then there are the 80% of Hispanics which if they are 57 million means that 46 million are getting beat–still more than blacks stats more than anything are ALWAYS used to make blacks look bad–eternal poster child and scape goat for whites. Loved the new stats on mass murderers and serial killers given that you can count black ones on two hands but you could not count all the white ones like that and then t hey say white ones are higher profile–don't think so–that is a LIE–whites would love to report more black serial killers if for no other reason than to take away the stigma of being the ones who do it the most. LOL

      November 13, 2011 at 2:07 am | Report abuse |
      • John

        I would like to see a "White in America" catagory on CNN, and I'd like to see them both talk about whites in the same manner (which is degrading, I agree) and they should drop in all the "Black in America" articles and see how quickly those articles are branded as racist when dropped into a "White in America" section of the site. It's only then that they'd realize just how racist the articles are, because they are not "unbiased news", they're racist articles with an agenda to talk about a specific race and promote a racists view on life.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:52 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        John–that will never happen–the need to debase or negative compare only goes one way. It is really sad but there is something ominous in it–it does not paint a true picture of either race–and when people are faced with an anomaly (like a smart black person or dark skinned black woman who takes their white boyfriend–yes it does happen) there is confusion and the fear that they have failed a race–the problem with propaganda is that it backfires–Bristol Palin being preggers (teenage pregnancy AND High School drop out) and a show dedicated to glorifying that should have taught us.

        We will know we have made progress when race is no longer compared and when a perp is not identified by race or ethnicity at all–then we will have gotten somewhere but right now–there is a need to keep our minds on comparisons and not on the social fabric of our country being deliberately ripped apart by BOTH political parties–see the price of food lately? Even more scary seen how many different foods are no longer on the shelves?

        November 13, 2011 at 3:02 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        John: whites could never take the level of negativity that they dish out to other races. Their egos are sooooo fragile that they need boosting with comparison to other races statistics at least twice a week. White could not even stomach affirmative action which was supposed to award 95% of jobs to white males and SPLIT the other 5% among all minorities and women in businesses that did business with the government. They can't even get over 3000 people dying on 9/11 though they have no problem with killing hundreds of thousands in Iraq and expecting those people get over it. The fact is, many whites are like spoiled, kids, too childish to see or admit what they do to others and with the eternal expectation that they be feted and pat on the hood and told how they are the best–except they are very NEEDY.

        You speak of whites having similar dialog to us with focus like we have–there would be an uproar like you would not believe. Whites are not a weak people but they are very weak psychically. It is if they have no connection to reality or the natural world and require it to be reaffirmed and validated DAILY and that it too bad. Part and parcel to that is that they continually seek out and compare themselves to blacks again almost daily.

        WORD TO THE WISE: people on top should be more secure. they should NEVER EVER compare themselves to the people they say are on the bottom NOR should they EVER try to copy their speech, their mannerism, even their physical traits like their butts and lips–it speaks of a mentality that is not sure of itself and must mimic others. It speaks of a lost type of being –"single white female personified" It speaks of a creature so foul and so forgotten that the only way they know how to compete is by nullifying those it is afraid of.
        What are white people afraid of with blacks? Why all the polls and studies and comparisons?

        It's like whites expect, want no NEED blacks to admit that whites are superior–and that will never happen–because there is more to existence than technology or commerce or who is marketed as the prettiest or smartest–and deep down whites know that too–if they did not–they would be secure on their perch and would not give blacks a second thought–instead they are OBSESSED with blacks–how they sing, act. what they say or do and they want to control us–they are like a prodigal son who wants to be accepted and acknowledged as superior and no matter how much they tell themselves they need us to say it–and instead–blacks IGNORE their request and just build our own standards. That must really be hard to take–to have all these standards and have a race of people you say you look down on but can

        NEVER stop comparing yourself to or trying to control....

        November 13, 2011 at 9:27 am | Report abuse |
      • soupinabowl

        Deflect deflect deflect!!! A racist calling anyone who disagrees a racist. And around and around we go. Why try and absorb truth when it's easier to just blame others? There will never be a day when a black man can blame a white man for the black man's murder-EVER. Accept that and move on. Times have changed. In my 60+ yrs I KNOW they have changed because I have experienced the changes. Stop whining and let the world move on. No one deserves any special treatment, we're all in the same boat. It's you people who sit and point your finger at the "other race" that hold everything up.

        November 13, 2011 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
  63. kasey

    OMG!!! dumb freakin article. another excuse for people to come on here and talk crap about other races. i'm really getting sick and tired of CNN posting these types of articles every other day. c'mon. enough already.

    November 13, 2011 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      I hear you–GENERATIONS of this crap week after week–year after year as if only the whites and blacks exist in this country and as if whites keep having to measure themselves against blacks–I thought people measured themselves on those SUPERIOR to them not keep comparing themselves to the group they eternally portray as inferior. The continual polls are kind of weird but it does say alot about the difference between what the marketing and media say and what they really think. Blacks beat more? And yet the white judge beat his daughter and it was on tape–nice deflection CNN. LOL

      November 13, 2011 at 1:35 am | Report abuse |
      • DelFuego

        This is the media comparing races, not white people. There is not a secret society of white vs. black comparison groups. Place the blame where it lies. There are people of all color working at CNN.

        November 13, 2011 at 8:03 am | Report abuse |
    • tammi

      Oh CNN is very degrading when it comes to race issues. I know that calling a black man a boy is like calling him a Ni##er and also calling him son. Well when you call a black woman a Gal its the same type of slam against a black lady. CNN often will state in its heading and only on Black women "Gal shoves coat in panties" was one of the latest ones. Before that was "Gal beats father over game" but never is a white woman called more than woman or lady. Also they will call a 18 yr old white kid a teen but a black kid who is 18 is always listed as a Man.

      November 13, 2011 at 8:20 am | Report abuse |
  64. R Burns

    There is a huge difference between making a point when a child is out of control by using a short swat and beating a child with a belt or something. I raised my children the way I was raised, and my grandchildren are being raised the same. One thing my mother emphasized to us and followed herself is that hitting with the hand, but not with anything else, and never in the face or anywhere on the head, was a valid way to punish. There was never more than one or two swats, and no bruising or anything was ever left. I have to say the one time she violated that rule, when I was 14 and must have really frustrated her to no end, she picked up a flip flop and swatted my behind once. This was enough to erode my trust! Not because she had hit me with something. If she had done that before, or hadn't stressed the policy against it so strongly, I probably wouldn't have felt violated. Parents need to have some tools to discipline children who will not listen to "a good talking to" unless some physical means is used to make the point, and they need to be consistent by following up when discipline is threatened. But to actually beat a child, threaten them with "the police" or further physical harm is just wrong. It's equally wrong to be afraid of the child or to use means of "discipline" so weak that the child grows up thinking there are no consequences for his actions. Society suffers equally with both ends of the spectrum.

    November 13, 2011 at 12:57 am | Report abuse |
  65. terry

    "numerous studies prove...
    I want 10 studies listed each study needs to show:
    who conducted the study - their credentials
    who funded the study
    results of the study in depth
    the length of the study
    the participants in the study
    The results of the study.

    November 13, 2011 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Whereas I just want to know why whites continually compare themselves SOLELY to blacks as if they are playing "catch up and secretly blacks are superior and they keep seeing if they are making strides. TAlk about an inferiority complex and from the dominant group, no less.

      November 13, 2011 at 1:36 am | Report abuse |
      • DelFuego


        November 13, 2011 at 7:57 am | Report abuse |
      • Winifred Johnson

        In my reading of comments here, Queen Bee shines as the biggest hater. (LOL)
        QB: News flash – It is YOU who is dividing the nation. Why can't you judge people based on their character, not the color of thier skin? Stupid and even hateful actions are committed by all kinds of people. I can tell from your posts that you are an educated person...why do you let your hate define you?

        November 13, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
  66. abtime

    The mistaken belief that the phrase "spare the rod and spoil the child" is biblical forms the basis for many African Americans to beat their. No where in the King James Bible is that phrase written. Their needs to be some way that African Americans could be made to see just how often they beat their children. SOME HOW IT HAS TO BE STOPPED.

    November 13, 2011 at 12:04 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      And what is the reason whites beat? Why the Judge beat? I think most blacks beat their kids because talking does not work and neither do time outs but their kids understand a good butt whipping.

      November 13, 2011 at 1:37 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Blacks are not beating their children due to the bible. For most blacks beating is the last resort. There is a certain type of personality and mentality that does not bend or "take down" will not obey–cannot be cajoled, pleaded with or even bribed and only can recognize brute force or something stronger than they are. You can see this type of behavior among some animals and yes among prison populations and yeah–even among some whites–it is that "something" that cannot be bargained with that viscerally feels only that "might makes right" if you are ever in the presence of such a personality they can literally wreck your world before you either turn them over to the courts, wring your hands and end up on meds or decide you are the top dog in your home and make sure they know that. for such a personality (and it is prevalent among many black boys–to talk or time out or ground them appears weak to them. I remember when my oldest was 3 and told me that I better not hit him–yeah–if I knew what was good for me–he was 3, and no one in my home spoke that way. When I tried to reason with him as he went to his room with me holding his arm, he told me that I "bettah regnize" that's right–and he said it in much the same tone as his father, who he had not seen since he was about 8 months old.

      Well 8 years and no whippings later, I now feel not beating him was a mistake as it led him down a certain path and I left it to his father to correct when I finally sent him away.

      November 13, 2011 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
  67. conrad

    It is unfortunate that articles like this prompt people to come out and decry the African American population (and reveal latent racism) ... when you look at the statistics they are only slightly more likely than any other group to do it. That is assuming that the other groups aren't just less likely to admit/report hitting their kids.

    This is an annoying, pointless, and devisive article. Knowing which race does it a little more doesn't really help ... just report on its negative effects and hope it deters some ...

    November 12, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Conrad–most blacks who exhibit racism (speaking from experience) our "racism" is a reaction to years of overt and covert racism to us by whites. The main difference (if there is a difference) is when blacks are racist, most can tell you in glaring detail the many things that were said and done to them over the years and their "spouting off is a result being "mad as hell and not going to take it any more" For my part- this attempt was only one of MANY this year. What for many may be one article they respond to is only one of many in which blacks are once again held to a standard that is using stats to pretend a fake pseudo science while many people "weigh in about the "black problem" and what should be done about it. I have noted that most people who weigh in , like that are very opinionated about blacks and our supposed problems but are less than receptive about having the same mirror put up to them or having the same data analyze them. That is what is meant by double standard. But I also know that many Blacks and Africans and yes Carribean, and even some Latinos are sick of this double standard and not content to let a few white people offer palliative defenses.

      White people need to know that as much as they like pointing out our crap–we see theirs and no matter how much they want to pretend like they do not crap–we see it, smell it and are more than prepared to begin rubbing their faces in it like they rub ours. Fair is fair–albeit to many "fair" is not something they are used to –but like I said the knife cuts both ways and I don't expect this to be the last comparison this year either–too many weeks left–white people cannot go that long without being assured of how else they are better off or simply "better" than blacks–but like I said–WHO compares themselves to the supposed people they say are on the bottom? Whites do–which must mean for all their pronouncements, where we really are in their minds must be somewhere where they feel a need to "measure up" GO FIGURE."

      November 13, 2011 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
  68. Stupid Article

    The correlation is not race directly, its the level of poverty and education in a community. A history of discrimination and lack of opportunity has made one ethnic group more likely than another to resort to violence to cope.

    November 12, 2011 at 11:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • conrad

      Not only that, but the prevalence in ALL groups (as reported) is really high. This is obviously a shared issue among all of us. Does pointing out that another group does it a little bit more somehow absolve the rest of us?

      November 13, 2011 at 12:01 am | Report abuse |
      • Stupid Article

        no more than it suggests Asians are better parents than anyone else.

        November 13, 2011 at 12:07 am | Report abuse |
    • abtime

      It does not matter what the level of education or money, African Americans beat their children too much. And worse they take pride in doing so. These children need protection and some how the message has got to get through. This is not a "stupid article," it is a very necessary article.

      November 13, 2011 at 12:11 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      No–another race comparison. Let's see, so far this year–higher poverty, less jobs, more likely to commit certain crimes, bad health, promiscuity and the least desireable women and yet they outpace whites in having babies and as bad as their kids are, they are not the group who serially rape and kill others or mass murder –statistically speaking that is–though they do seem to steal more....

      November 13, 2011 at 1:40 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      LOL. silly Rich people beat too. Ask the Nusbaums.

      November 13, 2011 at 2:10 am | Report abuse |
  69. conrad

    I agree there is no such thing as race, but there is a such thing as culture or learned/shared norms in groups.

    November 12, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      What about those of certain skin colors who are not in their "groups. Stop acting like all the races are from the borg. Whites always lump people into race or ethnicity when it comes to bad behavior but they never lump themselves into groups like that (like are all white males serial killers or child rapists? Are all white teachers child molestors?

      November 13, 2011 at 5:40 am | Report abuse |


    November 12, 2011 at 11:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • abtime

      It is not "a bunch of garbage." African Americans beat their children too much and it has nothing to do with their socioeconomic status.

      November 12, 2011 at 11:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        White people do not beat their kids as much because a good portion of whites CAN'T HAVE KIDS> But you'll NEVER see those stats on sterility and infertility among the races because we ALL KNOW what those would say...

        November 13, 2011 at 1:41 am | Report abuse |
      • DelFuego

        queenbee10- You have continually made postings that reflect your true feelings toward other races. You appear to try to act above the fray but post disgusting hate filled garbage. By the way check your "facts" for accuracy before you post. There is no need to continually prove your ignorance of facts.

        November 13, 2011 at 8:13 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        DelFuego–what facts are you talking about? The actual facts we can deduce from these "stats" or the pseudo facts white people post to try to mitigate the implication of being the group most connected with sterility, mass murder, serial rapes/murders of children, teacher–student molestations and pretending like their sheet don't stink?

        November 13, 2011 at 11:51 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        GEt it right del fuego–not toward other races–not even towards all whites–towards that particular type of white that incessantly points fingers at blacks and rhapsodizes over black transgressions without any acknowledgment or recompense of their own–THAT kind of white person makes most minorities DESPISE dialog with whites–in such denial.

        November 13, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mary

      Ironic your complaing about stereotypes then you stereotype Texans. UT Austin has researchers and students from all over the world and is a progressive liberal college.

      November 13, 2011 at 1:33 am | Report abuse |
  71. sam

    I don't THINK SO... Asian mostly Indian are more abusive than you think

    November 12, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
  72. jason

    African Americans make up about 13% of the population and about 17-20% of serial killers.
    Whites make up about 72% of the population and make up about 70% of serial killers.
    No, whites are not overrepresented as serial killers and blacks aren't underrepresented.

    November 12, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10


      November 13, 2011 at 1:47 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      WHITES –100% of convicted teachers who molest? FIX THAT ONE. White fertility always an excuse funny how the stats always have a defense for whites but when they can, they try to target blacks as worse. Stop defending the numbers and try to figure out what is wrong within the white race–you focus so much attention on blacks you fail to see the teen age pregnancies, meth addiction, increase in poverty, serial rapes and killings and mass murder within the white race. Talk about trying to deflect blames. And enough with the stats–take a good long look in the mirror instead of eternally comparing yourself to blacks–talk about playing the race card–WHEN do whites EVER have race off the table?

      November 13, 2011 at 2:20 am | Report abuse |
    • DelFuego

      No use trying to have an intelligent discussion. Unlike others she is allowed to have her own set of facts. Obviously her hatred runs to deep to allow for objectivity.

      November 13, 2011 at 8:23 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Del fuego ...Address the remarks not just deny them–we all see the news–from killing their own families to molesting kids or like teachers predating students–a lot of white problems as for this article–the numbers are right here–3539 million blacks beat their kids vs 158 million whites beat their kids and you think you have room to discuss black people and their problems? Discuss your own and all your kid beaters and while you are at it, discuss all the ills we all know are in the white race that you refuse to acknowledge while you point the finger at everyone else.

      YOUR PROBLEM is that you are not used to anyone confronting and telling you like it is. ...and the word is "too" not

      "to". white, boy.

      Finally "objectivity" requires simply facts no personal or anecdotal information or conjecture–deciding why blacks beat is ridiculous–reasons/rationale probably as myriad as there are blacks (with few trying to rely on scripture in any form or fashion) and objectivity also requires factual parameters–NOT something one can have without a control or using non biased or subjective criteria–the author failed to do that–but don't let rationale stop you–you still have not taken the time to discuss the 158 million white kid beaters–but since you are white and facing home truths is NOT your forte–we really do not expect you to do more than bluster, exclaim your tiredness of blaming slavery and then go on and on never actually addressing anything. It is the best that you can do. We understand. We are laughing–but we DO understand.

      November 13, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Del fuego–please DO share some objectivity about the ills of white people (criminally, socially, economically) and about the correlation between those ills and 158 million white people beating their kids. I am curious if you even DARE to address that issue.

      November 13, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
  73. secularbear

    Actually, the racial distribution of serial killers pretty much reflects the racial distribution of this country – mostly white, but about 1/8 black, 1/8 Hispanic, and around 1/10 Asian. It's only street crime where African-Americans disproportionately dominate the statistics, even income-adjusted.

    November 12, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Not 1/8 sorry to disappoint, there have been 3 recorded AA killers and few Hispanics or Asian for mass murderers and killers the profile is a white male and that is not because whites are 98% of the country BUT they are over 98% of those kinds of killers–must not have been beat enough as kids.

      November 13, 2011 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      It is common knowledge that most serial killers are white males and it is also common knowledge that if there were black serial killers whites would be pasting it all over the news if for no other reason than to remove such a crazy stigma from themselves–but since they can't they state fake stats. Truth is, you cannot name 10 black serial killers but we most certainly can name over 10 white ones and you cannot name 10 black mass murderers but we can name 10 white ones and finally when it comes to molesting teachers (whose victims are often minorities) they are ALL WHITE and now, FIX THAT with some fake stats too. Most of the country and the world know the difference between what whites try to promote and the real deal–between the lines are a race going terminal–you are going sterile your men know it and your women know it–the women try to mate with other races to improve their odds and your men kill as many people as they can–guess they figure if their genetics are going bye bye they will take as many people with them as they can....

      November 13, 2011 at 2:16 am | Report abuse |
    • Tina

      QueenBSbee: you're not very smart. You say there are 3 recorded AA serial killers. 64 is the correct answer. There are 64+ AA serial killers. Please do your homework and then join the discussion. All you have to do is a little Internet research. You got serious issues.

      November 14, 2011 at 12:20 am | Report abuse |
  74. secularbear

    Not really that surprising... African-American communities are extremely violent and crime-ridden in all regards, even when income-adjusted, relative to other ethnic/racial groups. Anybody who lives in a big city knows that the sisters are quick with the smacks.

    November 12, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      99% of serial rapists that also kill their victims are WHITE as are all (so far) molesters who are teachers and the majority of mass murderers. Since you want to speak on the violence. Profile of a serial killer –white male, mid 20s to mid 50s may or may not eat their victims after raping and torturing them and that is a stat from the FBI. Enjoy.

      November 13, 2011 at 1:44 am | Report abuse |
      • jon

        You made up your statistics...here is an expert from the real FBI crime statistics:

        44.5% had white offenders and 33.6% had black offenders , while the 36,620 black victims had a figure of 100% black offenders, the remaining being of other or unreported race, with a negligible number of white offenders.
        Blacks make up only 12% of the population, so when you consider 33.6% of the rapists are black, that's a huge number

        November 13, 2011 at 6:30 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        For serially killers? seriously? for mass murderers? seriously? then we know those stats are lies too–but then you guys control the media. When the FBI announced that the profile of a mass murderer or serial killer was a white male in their early 20s and 30s lower middle class–from then on–on line, all whites went into damage control–because every time you tried to point out the crimes of blacks–we began to pull out all the mass killings, and child rape and murders stats–and after that (like the fertility issue–new "facts" started popping up. Tell you what Kilroy–Name 10 mass murders by blacks in the past 30 years and name 10 serial killers–we'll wait--and tell us the sites to look up the information on too and don't let it be a white supremacy or neo nazi site.

        November 13, 2011 at 12:02 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Nadine

    I fully agree with you comment. Too many people reading this are so gullible and ignorant to see that.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Seine Ham

    The study was very mixed up, I believe, for I think Asian parents tend to hit their children the most.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • conrad

      Maybe they are just less likely to admit it when asked by a pollster?

      November 12, 2011 at 11:51 pm | Report abuse |
  77. Anna

    I think it is interesting that black people overwhelmingly believe in corporal punishment as a means of raising good citizens and obedient kids, yet they represent the largest population in the prison system. I get that their are other reasons for that, like prejudice, etc., but clearly all that "whuppin" is not keeping their kids away from crime.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • kane497

      And notice AA MALES are supposedly more in the prison population not females and it's, OVERWHELMINGLY BECAUSE of prejudice. Let's not skim the surface.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Anna–you do not know that. There are (at this time) around 5 million people in prison/jail reformatory at this time. if all were black that would leave 40 million NOT in jail–for all you know most who are not in jail may not be there due to whuppins. Say what you know–which when it comes to a subject like this-may entail keeping quiet...

      November 13, 2011 at 2:22 am | Report abuse |
      • Jeff N

        After reading your many posts there are several things I have noticed. 1. You were a single mom who made bad choices and sent off your child. 2. You have done NOTHING to contribute to this world except look for excuses in hopes to blame others for your sad little life. Chances are you are not well educated, and can only blame another race. GASP every race has been slaves at some point. OH wait this is still going on in Africa right now! If a ghetto is created then who's fault what it continues. Where is your precious Jesse Jackon? Is he attempting to better these communities? Oh no thats right he is too busy claiming racist antics instead of promoting better live choices. But alas that will never happen because it is easier to blame others. Those who beat their children usually have less education, and believes speaking with intelligence is a crime and of course expect something for nothing. If you are 50 years of age, you have wasted so much of your life and if you actually one race is the cause, then you should move elsewhere. After all if you are not around white people, then your problems should be over. GET OVER YOURSELF.

        November 13, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • lawschool10

      Anna- that's called racial profiling my dear. Ask a black man how many times he has been pulled over or asked what they were doing by a cop compared to their white counterpart.

      November 13, 2011 at 10:03 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      LOL–unless it is the 11% that do not get whipped that are the criminals–did you think of THAT ANNA? Lol

      November 13, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
  78. kane497

    So what.. the proportions are really close, and the article is really stupid and border line racist.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • conrad

      I agree. I don't know why a study like this was even done.

      November 13, 2011 at 12:06 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        iT WAS DONE so people would start back on race (the common tool to deflect) and get off the subject of Judges who beat their kids with NO repercussions. Simple

        November 13, 2011 at 1:48 am | Report abuse |
      • DelFuego

        queenbee10- what does on judge beating his child have to do with this article?

        November 13, 2011 at 8:26 am | Report abuse |
      • Chartreuxe

        To learn where the research and support dollars need to go to stop these actions and behaviours. Is it so difficult to figure out the reasons behind the science?

        QueenBee, the white judge who beat his older daughter has now to visit his younger daughter under supervision. Your claim that he beat his child with impunity is spurious, and that white people get away with their crimes whereas other folks do not seems a tad, dare I say, racist? Shoe's on the other foot.

        November 13, 2011 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
  79. Durham, NC

    You would think CNN would choose better choice of words...I hope it was an ignorant mistake rather than a thoughtful choice...

    November 12, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      You mean like that psychology today article about black females was another mistake? They make a lot of "mistakes" don't they?

      November 13, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
  80. Richard

    Must be AM mothers since the fathers are rarely around.

    November 12, 2011 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • jj

      But a man may still be in the house...

      November 12, 2011 at 11:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Can't be African American mothers–we all know that all black men are with white women now–black females must not be having any kids–this article has it all wrong....LOL

      November 13, 2011 at 2:47 am | Report abuse |
      • Thia

        Well, can you blame them?

        November 13, 2011 at 10:16 pm | Report abuse |
  81. AuggieDoggy

    Finding that very hard to believe. but then again, a violence prone sub-culture probably is more likely to strike their children. No wonder there's such a drug culture there.

    November 12, 2011 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • x_kemuri

      a "violence prone subculture"? first of all, african americans are not a subculture. yes, the black community has their own culture, BUT it's part of AMERICAN culture. secondly, calling black people "violence-prone" is extremely problematic. there is a lot of violence in the black community but its not BECAUSE they're black. it's because of a myriad of social and economic problems that have stemmed from racism. a lot of young black men who are raised in the ghetto have no options besides selling drugs or weapons if they want to make good money, of course, those kinds of "occupations" involve a lot of violence. there's also a lot of gang-related violence, but gangs are a result of young men creating their own little worlds with their own rules and messed-up version of morality and honor. they do this because they have no place in regular society.

      November 13, 2011 at 12:32 am | Report abuse |
      • Big Bob

        Public School is free. Oh, but if you're educated, you get accused of acting white!

        November 13, 2011 at 10:04 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Said the group whose crack of choice is METH and RISING...

      November 13, 2011 at 1:49 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Whites are more likely to be beat up by their children. FACT

      November 13, 2011 at 1:50 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      The price of self righteousness–Meth gone wild within the white youth (and rising) white version of crack

      2. Dissolution of marriages (backlash for talking about black single moms

      3 Black males also making babies with white females then leaving them

      4. teenage pregnancy (when teens can get pregnant) backlash for whites continually pointing fingers at black females who get pregnant

      5. Increase sterility among both white males and females–adopt all you want, it does not change the fact white genes are dying out. Last to mutate (of the races) first to disintegrate and what fuels it? Maybe there really IS something to that judge not lest you also be judged stuff. Keep it up.

      November 13, 2011 at 1:54 am | Report abuse |
      • burnz

        You seem to have a hate on for white people.
        Obviously, more white kids in America, it's usually whit ekids doing it too. White kids beat up children of other races more than any other race. FACT

        We're not going sterile, your numbers are dropping as fast as ours. We weren't the last race, Inuit and aboriginals came after. You sound like a black stereotype. QueenBee? Wow. How bout this? Black people can have the colour yellow. Seriously, whit epeople can't pull it off anyway, the colour yellow is now yours.

        November 13, 2011 at 5:44 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        burnz–how about this? Just let black folks be and let them have their own self determination (instead of telling them what color to have) no other race is willilngly called a color besides whites and they stopped calling others by colors. How about blacks can call themselves whatever THEY decide and whites cease the habit of thinking they have a right to critique, rule or decide for them and if whites want to call themselves a color–so be it–but how about letting people choose for themselves without throwing a hissy fit and acting like blacks doing or deciding anything for themselves 9that whites do not sanction) is sacrilege? Sound like a plan? as for a black stereotype–I don't doubt I sound like one–rumour is, whites have a stereotype for every single race and anything we come up with–I can't waste my time in angst over what whites think of me–just what they attempt to do to me and my people. How about that?

        November 13, 2011 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
  82. rose

    When our 3 boys were 1, 3, 5, we took them out for a rare outing to a mom and pop type restaurant. This was a treat because we couldn't afford to eat out. The service was very, very slow and they were hard to control. When we finally got out of there, we vowed to never go through that again. We didn't take them to a restaurant again until their mid teens. It was McDonalds for the next 10 years. The other customers didn't deserve our presence either. I wouldn't have dreamt of taking them on an airplane.

    November 12, 2011 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Anna

      There's any easy way to resolve that without hitting or being permissive. But it causes the parents inconvenience at first. Tell the kids how they are expected to behave before you go. Bring books or crayons for them to use while they wait. Don't take them out when they should be in bed. If you do all that and they act up, they get to leave the restaurant and sit in the car doing nothing, with one parent standing watching,k while the other kids are with the other parent in the restaurant, having fun. Same with the store, etc. If they act up, groceries get left in the car and kid goes right home. Do it a couple of times and the kids get the message.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        I want to see the stats of how many children beat their parents or kill their own parents or grandparents and I only want to see it broken down by race, please.

        November 13, 2011 at 8:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Alex

      I know the feeling. We usually go out to eat on off hours, and it always seems rushed. If the service is too slow, I just let my kids act up. It gives the waiter an incentive to hurry up and bring me the check.

      November 12, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • 17701774

      This is where I would have been like..."Kid's menu? Pass. Just three sides of broccoli please, skip the dessert."

      November 12, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
  83. pmmarion

    What a crock of ess-aitch-eye-tee.

    November 12, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
  84. John

    What I would like CNN to do, to show they aren't racist and propagating racism against blacks, is to create a "White in America" catagory, and then post all the racially slanted black articles in that "White in America" catagory. The racially motivated statements about blacks when made in a "White in America" setting, would be a breath of fresh air, because at that point, eveyone would notice how racist the articles are... even though they only changed "Black" to "White" in the catagory the articles are posted under.

    Why don't blacks speak up when they see this day after day? It's got to be brainwashing, or some form of it.

    November 12, 2011 at 6:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • enough alreadycnn

      Dear John, 'two wrongs don't make it right'. Black america is not brainwashed. If you have problem with it continue to speak out.

      November 12, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        I think the reason I feel I have to say something about it, is that it seems that the focus is and has been all wrong. The problem is not race, or needing racial catagories for news articles, so much as it is that there are people that (if I can be frank about it) are basically stupid that see a difference in race, language, etc... and they become upset and violent about it. This is then called racism, when in fact, it should be called what it is: stupidity. The reason they did something stupid, is because they're stupid. What happens next is everyone gets labled based on their race, and they're told to compensate for what the stupid people did. The focus ends up being put on race rather than the stupidity that caused the problems in the first place. I don't like being associated with that, in being white, or being told I have to care about race when I don't think anyone should care about it. The stupid people that attack others based on their race, are stupid and violent, and that's where the focus should be, that they're stupid, not that anyone is black or white. Best to you.

        November 12, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
  85. enough alreadycnn

    I am starting to think that cnn is purposefully trying to pit black vs. white with these 'black in america' specials. Historically the U.S. has been extremely racist against black people, anyone that disputes that is a racist, crazy or extremely ignorant. But I am tired of feeling like a science experience to be studied. Were the differences so great that it required an article be written about it, I dont think so. I believe the study stated a difference of 10% between black and white. I experience being a black woman every day I don't need to watch a program about it. I wish they would focus more on the positives. I know racism still exist and is sitll a problem, but overt and violent racist acts are becoming rare. Move on cnn.

    November 12, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • conrad

      I agree, a study like this serves only to divide ... and for what, a higher melanin content??

      November 13, 2011 at 12:13 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      The problem with stats and polls is that it makes the assumption that most people are truthful when they respond, but to be honest, some of us hate polls so much we often attempt to skew the poll just because we feel the questioner is out of line for asking such things in the first place. I have answered many a poll with untrue answers–if I deigned to answer at all.

      November 13, 2011 at 3:40 am | Report abuse |
  86. Don't Hurt Your Kids

    I was abused as a kid, and I turned out to be horrible. I have a crippling case of PTSD, and there is no cure for it.

    November 12, 2011 at 6:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • conrad

      I am so sorry you were abused as a child.

      I am sure however, that you are not 'horrible'. You may 'feel' horrible, but that doesn't mean you ARE. Your value is still great, you are still worthy of love. You are completely redeemable. Abuse does not take away what is good in you it only makes you look away from it, focusing on the pain you endured you forget you own magnificence . I assure you it is still within you ... sit quietly for a moment and you may catch a glimpse.

      November 13, 2011 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
  87. momo0828

    Here is a suggestion for those researchers who have nothing else to do but waste time and write their PhD thesis on studies like this one. Go have kids of your own and try to raise them in the environments the African-Americans live in. Until then, I have two a couple of words for you.
    Shut up and be quiet.

    November 12, 2011 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Don't Hurt Your Kids

      But isn't it better to try and help the kids?

      November 12, 2011 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Anise

      Well, that's a depressing approach... Is it inevitable that people who are oppressed will punish their own children physically? It's a choice. Stress gives everyone a shorter fuse, but when a person snaps, they could just as easily say Go to your room as smack the child.

      If you aren't capable of being patient with children...don't have them. This is 2011, almost 2012. There are about a thousand methods of birth control if you think this life is too hard for you already.

      November 12, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Quigly

      What you don't realize is there are entire university departments dedicated to racial studies, often at the insistence of the race being studied. I was forced to take a native american studies class and it was the most biased bigoted endeavor I have ever been forced into, focusing on how Indians were perfect till white people showed up and then every problem they have had since were solely caused by white people. When you have a department studying race, and you want to grant graduate degrees, you have to conduct research on that race. Should you disregard every study that may show problems with a race and only allow studies that show how they should get more government assistance and sympathy?

      November 12, 2011 at 6:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • NYCSocialWorker

      Poverty is not an excuse for physical discipline. Yes poverty has a very strong impact on lives but there are many other parenting tools that are far more effective. The research is not blaming race but cultural precedent that has been around a long time and is difficult to impact. Recognizing the harmful effects of corporal punishment is important for all parents regardless of race and saying these studies have no merit is ignorant and further perpetuates this cycle of violence.

      November 14, 2011 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Ameejo

    What truly amazes me is how much time researchers “others” study African Americans and usually exploit the negative points, to their so-called scientific studies. And while currently enrolled in a University I have noticed that numerous of my text "studies" point out this or that negativities. All while avoiding the “others” socially constructed “race” MAJOR role that has contribution to these failings, Presents a flawed study. Therefore it is my belief that without analyzing the substantial evil role that these "others" have perpetrated towards African Americans; benefits no one; these researchers whose very livelihood depends on “poverty pimping.” Uh, I mean researching of African Americans that benefits no one but for those who need publishing prestige.

    November 12, 2011 at 5:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      A lot of this is pushed onto blacks. For example, they're told that they're African, but America is no where near Africa, and they're supposed to obsess over it while worrying about being black. Meanwhile, Oprah is black, lives in America, and she's a billionair. I don't know how much money she would have made in Africa, probably not as much as she did in America. But they want blacks to focus on living somewhere else I guess, where they won't make as much as Oprah did, and obsess about being black. That's what it looks like here anyway.

      I will never understand why blacks put up with this nonsense. "White in America", you don't see such a catagory on CNN, and it's obvious why, because it's ridiculous and everyone realizes it... for some reason they don't see it when it's called "Black in America". I'm an American white person, I live in America. I don't need anyone to pamper me over my being white, or make excuses for it, or tell me my ancestors came from who knows where. What difference would it make? None, it's something stupid people worry about and focus on.

      November 12, 2011 at 5:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Don't Hurt Your Kids

      I think we sould all be asking ourselves why we put up with child abuse. If African Americans are doing it more often, then they need to ask themselves why they are doing that too.

      November 12, 2011 at 6:16 pm | Report abuse |
  89. P

    I thought I clicked on a cnn discussion forum...not a klu klux klan meeting

    November 12, 2011 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • The Queen

      Amen to that!!

      November 15, 2011 at 8:16 am | Report abuse |
  90. Candyce

    I'm thinking pacific islanders. I know so many kids who got the crap beat out of them by their parents and I see them do it in public quite a bit.

    November 12, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
  91. Mike

    So having a low income means you are religious and dumb? What a great article. Good work cnn.

    November 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike V

      Perhaps cause and effect is reversed here?

      November 12, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  92. Scowl

    The article touched upon the true crux of the matter, which is education level and not race. Looking at the numbers betwist the races they are not that far off, but I'm sure if they did a study on corporal punishment amongst economic/education levels you would see a vast difference between those with higher education/economic levels and those who are lower on the scale. Religion also factors into it as the higher up the educational ladder you go the less vehemently religious people are.

    November 12, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott Fischer

      Then why the hell did my "educated" step Dad who was a Doctor, and have money, beat the crap out my Brother and I. I don't think its education or money – some people are just screwed up in the head and think they do no wrong.

      November 12, 2011 at 6:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Don't Hurt Your Kids

        I think some people are just born mean, and they are going to abuse any one they can. On the other hand, there are some people who are born normal, but if their society tells them to hit their kids/wife, then they will. More education and more money (less stress) probably reduce the chances of abuse.

        November 12, 2011 at 6:19 pm | Report abuse |
  93. JimboThrasher

    Racist Study; CNN is implicitly racist for writing about this as if it is "news". Just another reason why I browse the CNN website to scoff at.

    November 12, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
  94. trey

    http://bit.ly/tWSeMu just a question i have in my facebook page your oppinion is appreciated this is not spam i promise

    November 12, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
  95. cencible1

    Researchers: American researchers most likely to make stupid racist studies.

    November 12, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
  96. John

    Hey CNN, where are the "White in America" articles at? I need to contact the National Association of White People and see what they think about all the black this and black that. I am sick of black people telling me I need to constantly think about their blackness. I don't give a damn about their blackness, any more than they give a damn about my whiteness.

    Grow up CNN

    November 12, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scowl

      I'm white and I don't give a crap about your "whiteness" either. Didn't see you in one of those old pictures posing in front of a lynched black person?

      November 12, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        Again with the "worry about someone being black". I don't care if someone is black, or someone else is white. Some stupid person killed another person over a stupid concept, that their skin color was different, or their language, etc... that's stupid. Stupid people worry about those kinds of things, and stupid people do stupid things, like kill others over it. A better catagory for these racial articles might be "Stupid in America"

        November 12, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky

      Every time you read about NASCAR, country music, or the Tea Party / GOP, you're reading about White in America. Happy now?

      November 12, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        There is no "White in America" catagory on CNN's site because everyone realizes that only stupid people would care about it.

        November 12, 2011 at 5:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Alex

        I've been reading a lot about Herman Cain. Are you trying to say he's white because he's GOP?

        November 12, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
  97. nick

    Well I am seeing a lot of "stop the race card" users and was just wondering why? when it comes to applications for higher education they look at race becuase minoritys(other then white) would be considered. as for the % of race that punish there children they are not far off from one race to another

    November 12, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      Here's a clue, "nickie". When America stops her racism (like yours), we won't need mechanisms for redress. I'm white, and I support those mechanisms 100%

      November 12, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • trey

      when i fill out a job application and it ask me
      about my race i think its an excuse for racist to throw it out....sorry got enough blacks already

      November 12, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
  98. Susan Albiey

    It's funny how this "study" comes out after the youtube video of the white judge is beating his white daughter is all over the net.

    November 12, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mira


      November 12, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      Where is the LIKE button when you need it? LOL

      November 13, 2011 at 12:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • truth

      don't forget she was disabled!

      November 14, 2011 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
  99. Ravensun

    I am really, really sick and tired of hearing "race this," and "race that."

    Down with the race argument! Cats and DOGS are different races. I'm a human. I happen to be of very mixed Western European descent, but my race is human. The only time I give a rat's behind what color someone's skin is is when I'm pointing a camera at them, so I know where to set my lights (closer for darker skin, to get a better image!)

    Getting really tired of the race card.

    November 12, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan in Colo

      Dogs and cats are different species. Race in humans is analogous to breeds in cats and dogs.

      November 12, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bob

        No, it's not.

        November 12, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tex Gritter

        You are right, Dad. I dont think "Bob" has enough to think with to know that "fat meat is greasy". Most Liberals don't, really.

        November 12, 2011 at 4:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tex Gritter

        Sorry, I meant Dan, not Dad.

        November 12, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lynn


      November 12, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • umm

      I think you're confusing "race" and "species."

      November 12, 2011 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amerisian

      Not everyone thinks like you do. Most nobody does.

      November 12, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scowl

      That's a nice sentiment and would be nice if the world thought that way. It would also be nice if it rained gumdrops and everyone farted out rainbows. Unfortunately none of things happen.

      November 12, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • cupcake

        I'm sorry, I was just out brushing my unicorn Sparkles with my best friend the ogre, did I miss anything?

        November 12, 2011 at 5:14 pm | Report abuse |
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