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November 29th, 2011
02:04 PM ET

Family says undocumented student killed himself over fears he'd never go to college

By Rafael Romo, Senior Latin American Affairs Editor

(CNN) - Joaquin Luna was only 18. The senior at Juarez Lincoln High School in Mission, Texas, dreamed of going to college. But since he was in the country illegally, that was nearly impossible.

Luna was quickly losing hope of ever going to college, his family says. The Friday after Thanksgiving, Luna put on a suit, kissed his family members, went into the bathroom and shot himself in the head, according to family members.

"He didn't see no other way or no other option," his brother Diyra Mendoza told CNN affiliate KGBT.

Mendoza found the body after hearing the gunshot.

"As soon as I pulled him out to the kitchen, I could see the bullet hole and there was no movement, no signs of anything," Mendoza said. "He was gone."

Mendoza says the letters his brother left behind reveal his fears about being in the country illegally. He also was frustrated because the DREAM Act - an initiative that would legalize young immigrants who have been in the country for more than five years if they attend college or serve in the military - never passed.

It's estimated that the DREAM Act would benefit about 2 million young people. It failed by five votes in the Senate last December. A new push by Democrats in Congress this year also didn't go far.

Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, a Democrat, who has been pushing for the measure for a decade, testified at a congressional hearing in June. "The Dream Act would make America a stronger country by giving these talented immigrants the chance to fulfill their potential." Durbin said.

But Republican lawmakers call the bill "blanket amnesty" and have strongly opposed it. Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, calls it "a band-aid and maybe worse, it would provide an incentive for future illegal immigration."

The DREAM Act was also a hot-potato issue in the November 22 CNN debate of Republican presidential candidates. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich spoke in favor of the DREAM Act. "I don't see any reason to punish somebody who came here at 3 years of age, but who wants to serve the United States of America," Gingrich said.

Mitt Romney agreed with Gingrich saying the he "would staple a green card to the diploma of anybody who's got a degree of math, science, master's degree, Ph.D. We want those brains in our country."

But Michele Bachmann denounced it, warning the measure would "offer taxpayer-subsidized benefits to illegal aliens. We need to move away from magnets not offer more."

Back in Texas, Mendoza is thinking of other young immigrants like his brother. "It's like all these kids that are here. They're all dependent on that DREAM Act to keep on studying," Mendoza said.

But with a Congress unable to reach a compromise to reduce the deficit and presidential elections less than a year away, the chances of any immigration bill being passed seem unlikely.

soundoff (1,898 Responses)
  1. JJ

    So there are no colleges in Mexico?

    November 29, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Derptard

    It's too bad he didn't have the opportunity to go to college so he could join the occupy wall street movement after his student loans piled up.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      I couldn't have said it any better

      November 29, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Dolores

    Who caused this young man all this stress? His PARENTS who came to this country with out legal authorizartion.I am so sick and tired of all these sob stories, and so called good reasons the US needs the Dream Act. Go Dream somewhere else.We have enough with American childen getting an education. When my children were in school, I had to pay for their meals while the illegal kids got to eat for free on my dime.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • ojassa

      I'm sorry that you are sick and tired of something that is way older than you. What I am sick and tired of is the fact that when people condemn people who are here illegally, they forget to mention how easy their own forefathers had it. In the very recent past, people entered into this country illegally and worked their way to citizenship. Out of selfishness, those same people decided that the population of immigrants is becoming overwhelming so the rules must be changed, thereby criminalizing what most of them had benefitted from. There are two sides to every issue so think twice before you feel sick and tired. Parents who bring their children here do not just bring their children here to break laws. But, how can you understand? If you've never been hungry in a third world country you think being homeless in America is the lowest form of poverty.

      November 29, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Danielle

    How dare you blame America for your child's death? YOU are to blame for putting your child in this situation. It is incredulous that you would use your child's death for politics. SHAME ON YOU. You make me sick.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
  5. get it right

    If you don't want illegals in the us, you should think about pay double or triple for the food you eat. because no legal American will do the work needed to get it to market. Georgia got "tough" on illegals and the produce rotted on the vine. The local legals couldn't handle the work of picking, they complained and quit before the day was half over

    November 29, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Danielle

      Nice to know you support slavery.

      November 29, 2011 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • AesopsRetreat Dot Com

        Hahahah You hit the nail on the head.
        The Left don't necessarily like illegals, but hey, who's gonna pick dat cotten?

        November 29, 2011 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Should've Stayed in Mexico

      I'm positive there's not 11 million jobs for illegals to pick produce.

      November 29, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • scedbl

        There are already legal procedures in place for immigrant seasonal agricultural workers...he is just rolling out an often used argument to try and justify illegal immigration. And it works on uninformed people.

        November 29, 2011 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • Should've Stayed in Mexico

        Ya I had to reply because everyone seems to try to use that argument, so I had to point out the obvious.

        November 29, 2011 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • get it right

      Oh yea I forgot . They tried to pay the locals double what the illegals got and they still quit

      November 29, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • AesopsRetreat Dot Com

        Do you happen to have a LINK we can look at? 🙂

        November 29, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • DrWu

      The United States will collapse on itself because we don't have some illegals to make us a salad? Give me a break. If they all disappeared tomorrow, I think we'd learn to get along just fine. And I would dodge a few less 5 gallon paint buckets on the freeway.

      November 29, 2011 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • real citizen

      sounds like someone has illegals working in the family, now doesn't it??

      November 29, 2011 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • mdamone

      The B.S. theory that Americans won't do the work that illegals do has never been proven to be true on a scale any larger than small selective cases here and there...and even then the problem was only short-lived.

      Check this out, brainiac: who did the work before the illegals were doing it?

      I'm not sure what's worse – your assumption that all Americans think of themselves as "above" labor...or your assumption that the best illegals can do for themselves is pick produce.

      I promise you that if you combined a lack of illegal immigrants with today's 9+% unemployment, there would not be any fruit 'rotting on the vine.' You miss the point completely – employers of labor DON'T WANT Americans working in the fields. Then they would have to pay for health insurance, unemployment and more. Plus Americans would demand 4x the wages and fit working conditions, including breaks, overtime and lunch as mandated by Federal employment law. Goodbye profit margin.

      November 29, 2011 at 10:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • pogojo

      in America we accept over 1 million legal immigrants a year, we can have some of them pick, i believe we have a visa just for this. if a business cannot survive without illegal workers they need to fail, its time to enforce laws. if an American commits a crime they go to prison, but there is never any complaint about breaking up their family

      November 29, 2011 at 10:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • MGrant

      I'll take any job, as long as it pays me a wage I can actually live on!
      Georgia's labor shortage problems are its own fault: they didn't pay enough...THAT's the real problem..

      November 29, 2011 at 10:41 pm | Report abuse |
  6. jiba

    so sorry to hear that. All children are equal and should have the same right in this country regardless parents

    November 29, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Paz

    I have no words to respond to most of the commentaries.. just to say that most people lost their humanity! I am so sad for you all!

    November 29, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • geaux_Tigers11

      It is a shame that folks have lost their humanity, compassion & willingness to see that this 18 y.o. is a human being. It's sadder yet, that one is called a "liberal" when doing so. Totally upset by the stupid, insensitive, senseless comments here. Is this what our country is all about now???

      November 29, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • danny

      What about your compassion for your fellow Americans? Should an American be denied a seat in the University so that this kid could have attended? I suppose you think so.

      November 29, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • MGrant

      PLEASE! Save us your sob story!
      Illegal means illegal..plain and simple!
      Criminals are not wanted here!

      November 29, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
  8. atheos

    god i love CNN, the things they decide to report on are so agenda driven. their drive to create/change policies knows no bounds, they will literally dig up a childs body and animate it like a muppet to try and make a political point....open your eyes folks, this is priceless infotainment. keep up the good work CNN

    November 29, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Thomas

    Last time I checked, universities were not exclusive to the United States. In fact, I hear Mexico has some Universities, and some of them are even free to Mexicans...

    November 29, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      My White American uncle got his PHD in Mexico, and he's doing great.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Erks

    Your comment brings shame to all humanity...

    November 29, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Should've Stayed in Mexico

      You must be a typical Lib... but anyway, everything I said was quite possibly true correct? We paid for his education, now we don't. He would not have killed himself if he stayed in Mexico, because he wouldn't have 'worried' about being illegal.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Really?

    It's tragic that someone ended their own life. But the article is pathetic. It's sad, but he could have gone to college in this country. The article abuses this poor boy by making it look like "If only the Dream Act passed he would have had a chance!" Well, again, he did have a chance. Tons of illigals in college right now. It's sad that the writer took advantage of a tragedy to promote his own agenda.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
  12. sosorryandsad

    You said it right on!

    November 29, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Listen Up

    Mexican = White if you're talking about race. If you're talking Ethnicity, it is Hispanic or Latino. Get educated. End of story.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nah

      Yeah, that makes no sense.

      If you're talking about race then Mexicans are "white", but if you're talking about ethnicity then Mexicans are "hispanic"?

      Much less, "hispanic" refers to Spain, and "latin" refers to Italy. Stop using them.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mr. N

      Ha, ha, ha!! You're too funny! Get educated? Well, then listen to yourself, boy! Most Mexicans have native American blood in them (Aztec, Olmec, Mayan, Tarahumaran, etc.) mixed in with Spanish (which usually is a mix of white with some Northern African/Arabic). If anything, on average, they're probably more Native American than White. Goes to show what passes for "education" nowadays! Ignorant people that try to "educate" others just make my day.

      November 29, 2011 at 10:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • But Further

      Actually, Listen Up, is correct except for the fact that one termed Hispanic or Latino would have to have been born in a Foreign country instead of here. As for the Race, they are correct, it is indeed white as per the state. And Italians are indeed latins, just like Mexicans, but the term Latino makes reference to those who are of a South American descent but again bear in mind that Mexico is part of North America not South America.

      November 29, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mr. N

        Per what state? Certainly not California. As far as race, they classify most Mexicans as Native Americans. At one point California considered them "white" because "white" was sort of a catch-all category for everyone not black, Asian, or US-born Native American, but that hasn't been the case for years! And yes, "race" is very arbitrary, which is why, I may add, sometimes one doesn't have to be a racist to be a bigot.

        November 29, 2011 at 11:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • And Further

        The bottom line rests in looking at any Mexican-American, Hispanic, or Latino's birth certificate! Their race will be listed as white no matter the state they live in or you can check with the state they live in to be told the very same thing. End of story.

        November 30, 2011 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
    • MGrant

      Just shows you how arbitrary the concept of race is...what a joke!

      November 29, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
  14. erik

    He had much deeper problems. There were still many, many avenues open to him. Why couldn't he have gone through the citizenship process, or gone to university in some other country? Really, he had emotional problems, or was simply a moron for killing himself if he supposedly had so much potential.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Sarah

    Although this is tragic, his parents have no one to blame but themselves. If you come to this country legally, like I did, you can aspire to any dream you have. If you don't take the time to be a citizen the legal way, or get a Visa/green card, then you can't get upset that you don't have the same opportunities as Americans. This kid was lucky he was even allowed in a public school.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
  16. texgirl2762

    Oh, please. I am Mexican myself, and while I am very sorry this young man took his own life, I am astounded that his family or anyone else would say this is about the DREAM Act not passing. My family is from McAllen, TX, just up the road from Mission. It is desperately poor down there, with lots of drugs and crime and violence all around. THAT may be why he killed himself, or family problems, or teenage angst, or any of the other terrible reasons kids kill themselves. CNN should be ashamed of posting this story as some type of political commentary - exploitation at its most vile.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nah

      Thank you.

      CNN didn't give any information showing that this kid committed suicide because of the DREAM act, because of college, etc. They merely gave hearsay from people who have every reason in the world to make statements in their own self interest.

      It's exploitative and it's disgusting.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • another latino

      very well said! his parnts made a lousy decision and didn't tell the kid that due to his illegal status he would not be allowed to attend college! CN nneds to do a better job reporting this story!

      November 29, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • bornntexas

      that story was so sad to hear but i feel bad for his family.im so sorry for your lose ..i lost someone i very loved a lot who was my uncle who passed away on saturday this past weekend. )):
      and this story just made me cry a lot *crying8

      November 29, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • bornntexas

      that story was so sad to hear but i feel bad for his family.im so sorry for your lose ..i lost someone i very loved a lot who was my uncle who passed away on saturday this past weekend. )):
      and this story just made me cry a lot *crying*

      November 29, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • don P

      Yeah!!

      November 29, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Jesus

    What I find odd about the American situation is that the first people that claim others are illegal people are also the first to claim that government has too much say in our lives. Government should have say in border actions and the lives of those across the borders, as it has been, but not in your own? What has America done to subjugate those beyond our own borders, and how have those who fear their own subjugation denied the plight of others? I am tired of others dismissing this as something simple as citizenship, I wish they would realize that the hardship others struggle through and continue to struggle because of you and your government is not something to ignore, but it is something to question. Those who just simply want a simple answer are those who live in fantasy lands and will continue getting their own fantastic failures as a result.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      We have that right when they come into our territorry, cause problems and the other country does nothing about it

      November 29, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
  18. TheDudeOfLife

    Open the floodgates, let em' all in before they kill themselves!

    November 29, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Narcosis70

    Frankly, I'd be more than willing to grant amnesty and a path to citizenship to every single person whose only crime was illegal entry into the U.S. in return to securing our borders once and for all so no more can sneak in to the country.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tired of it all

      We've already had multiple illegal amnesties declared and it all backfired on us each time! NO MORE!!!!!!

      November 29, 2011 at 11:25 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Really?

    This is a pathetic article. So many options. So many illigals going to college in CA today, he could have too. They just don't deserve the benefits citizens get or citizenship. It's cutting in line of those trying to do it right! Half of the Dream act is great IMO. If you risk your life for this country, you deserve to be a citizen when you've served your term. But going to college? Ok, lets just give everyone who graduates on a student visa citizenship. Yeah, that makes sense. If this goes forward, I pray it actually sets the bar high. Masters degree? Ok, sounds good. Stay legally. BA in Music (or anything)? No citizenship.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
  21. It IS a Crime

    I'm sorry for this boy, but I have a feeling the story is being slanted for editorialism. However, for those that seem to be uninformed and seperating this sad suicide from the topic of immigration....It is a crime to be here illegally. Look up 8 USC 1325 and 8 USC 1326 in the Code of Federal Regulations. Because of the LARGE amount of illegal immigrants apprehended every day at the border and those already in our country, the courts cannot handle the number of prosecutions that would be required. For that reason, in most cases, the criminal act is adjudicated civilly, hence enforcing the law while avoiding clogging the courts.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dom

      that and we need to take care of our own right now, too much debt to pay for more people to live here.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
  22. BK2OC

    i wonder why his parens werent quoted in this article? was it b/c they do not speak english....hmmmm

    November 29, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Sarah

    Unfortunate that this kid committed suicide, but doesn't Texas have a state law that allows the children of illegal immigrants to attend state colleges at in-state prices, assuming those kids have graduated from Texas public schools? Why did he need the DREAM Act to attend college?

    November 29, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Report abuse |
  24. The Viking

    I would say that this kid had more issues than the article depicts. This was nothing but a bunch of tripe produced my a liberal news rag to keep trying to promote their agenda.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Jack

    Well, now he's definitely not going I guess...

    November 29, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
  26. puya sasani

    i guess this is what i think. my father was born in iran, under the reign of the shah, or king. the country was in absolute turmoil and millions of people wanted to leave. the problem was, firstly, no country would allow them to enter, nor could they leave. my father, who was very fortunate, was able to get a professorship here in the us, allowing his family to come. this is unusual case, and my family and i were very fortunate. but for those who cannot come here legally, what can they do. all they want is better life for their family, and are willing to suffer PERSONALLY for it.

    the system to get an American citizen ship is brutal.despite living here for nigh on 20 years, my father still cannot become a citizen, despite his best attempts.

    Yet on the other hand, i understand that some argue that the illegals are "leeching" on American taxpayers. While this may be true, the money required in order to find, isolate and reprimand these people by far exceeds the amount of economic damage that they may do. from a purely practical standpoint, it is not feasible to root them out. from a humanitarian standpoint, why not help them? if we have already paid to educate them through high school, and they have served their country in the military, why not give them scholarships, as so many other inteligent men and women, as well as soldiers under the gi bill? i dont know too much about this issue, but this seems reasonable.

    please explain your point of view. i would love to hear from some people with a more conservative viewpoint.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nah

      The entire problem with the belief in the "humanitarian" view is that 1) it encourages more immigration, and so while spending on immigration enforcement now "may" cost more than leaving illegals alone, the more illegal immigrants in the U.S., the worse off it will then do.

      2) No one has a right to move to another country, against that country or its people's wishes. Hence, the illegal immigrants have no right to come to the U.S. - only so they can take advantage of its economic opportunities - merely because they want to.

      Appealing to the "fact" that "illegal" immigrants ousted the Indians 400 years ago is unavailing. The Indians who were wronged no longer exist, and their wrongdoers are no longer alive.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Asi

      I'm fairly conservative and here is my reasoning. In many ways, I agree with you, your logic does sound fairly reasonable. However, I think people forget that there isn't some limitless pot of money that can be apportioned out to anyone who deserves it due to their intelligence or potential. There are limited funds and the more people that are eligible for those funds, the less there is to go around, or the requirements to receive money must change (i.e. you must have a lower income to qualify). I grew up in a middle class family (parents were public school teachers) and they were very financially responsible. In other words, they saved and didn't spend all their money. When I applied for financial aid, I was not offered any "free money." A few loans, yes, but grants no. My parents expected yearly contribution to my college education was $30,000. The more low income people are included in the pool for financial aid, the less will be given to middle income families. I have no problem with low income American citizens receiving financial aid before me. I encourage it. They need it more. However, I do have a problem with people living here illegally, no matter how seemingly deserving, receiving financial aid before middle class citizens. I would encourage them to do what many of my middle class friends did. These friends whose parents made too much money to get decent financial aid, but whose parents either couldn't or wouldn't help them with tuition, they were still able to get an education but it was a longer and harder route. These students worked a lot, went to school part time as they could afford it, and eventually graduated even though it took years longer. There are so many options, some just aren't very easy.

      I am very sorry to hear that this young man took his own life.

      November 29, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
  27. agentgirl

    Wow the posts on here, just wow. So much ugliness and hate. It deeply saddens me that Americans are turning on each other.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:39 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Mike P

    Sad to hear about this, but (1) his parents never should have brought him (or themselves) into the country in the first place, (2) there are career paths in life that don't go through college, and (3) nobody pulled the trigger on him but himself.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:39 pm | Report abuse |
  29. What a bunch of hypocrites. Our founders would be ashamed of you.

    Have any of you considered that maybe he sacrificed himself to become a martyr to get people talking about how messed up our hypocritical immigration laws are? Just a though...

    November 29, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nah

      *yawn*

      First, the founders were here "legally". Why? Because by the time the founding fathers existed, they were living in British colonies.

      Second, whether or not someone has committed a wrong in the past (immigrating to the Americas) has no bearing on whether or not immigration laws should be followed and enforced here and now.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • scedbl

      somehow, no, I don't think he was all that together to make such a profound decision-I am guessing he was more likely very disturbed, and needed support in the clinical mental health area, rather than tuition...

      November 29, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
  30. Sean

    Being a US Citizen and having the opportunity to live in some other countries (I'll let you guess which ones), I have to say that many people in this country think that anyone should be able to live anywhere. The paperwork and effort I had to go through to work in other countries was enormous and under great scrutiny of the host country. While living in other countries as an Ex-Patriot (someone who has left there country to live in another), I have to say I lived under the constant threat of being exported for any reason (or no reason at all as I had seen).

    So why is it that America has to be unlike most other civilized countries and their immigration rules. If you have not gone through the effort and work to live abroad, how can you know what people have to go through.

    Remember, the word "Illegal" is defined as "forbidden by law or statute" as says dictionary.com, so if you are here illegally, than you are here against the law of the land. If I had been living in another country illegally, then I would have been deported or even imprisoned for breaking their laws.

    That is the real world people.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Beck

      Most common sense post on here.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • JemimaPD

      Excellent post Sean!

      November 30, 2011 at 5:44 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Truly Sad

    It is truly sad to see a young man like this with a great future ahead take his life due to the bigotry that exists in this country!

    November 29, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
  32. stubbycat

    The Dream Act, amnesty or not, has nothing but positive potential for America. Alas, for the soulless Republican party which resists America's forward motion. Alas, for this young man who killed himself who could embrace no higher vision for himself other than the Republicans' ammoral failure to give him and others like him a decent break.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • It ShouldPass

      You are Absolutely correct! The Dream Act Should Pass and Now! Lack of passage is denying many brilliant minds a chance to learn and become even more brilliant through college training and then being Productive to the U.S. That is what is truly sad about this matter. In a time when many are simply fools in this country, we have those who truly want to study and learn more and we say no. How truly sad. It's no wonder we have what we have due to no learned people with brains to offset the majority of fools.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Danielle

        Coming from someone who doesn't even know English grammar? Give me a break.

        November 29, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
  33. confused

    I feel sorry Joaquin killed himself. Life is already too short and too precious as it is. The article seems to be more focused on the Dream Act then the young man and his battles. It seems the military or out of country schooling could open the door for possible education and maybe future citizenship.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Raja Drambo

    ATTENTION IDIOTS: What your relatives did 80-90+ years ago is no reflection on you. In fact, you're pretty lucky. Lucky that your relatives came here when they did and now you live in this fabulous country, through no actions of your own, mind you.
    You were born here by God's Grace.
    Quit acting like you own America.
    Goldman Sachs owns America.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
  35. Dan

    I don't mean to sound cold. After all, he seems like a good kid and has a family that loves him. However, Joaquin was most likely clinically depressed. College would have only been a temporary fix. He didn't need college, he needed help. It is distasteful of Mr. Romo to tie this family's misfortune and a mental health issue to immigration policy.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Betty

      I wish there was a like button on your comment. I'm appalled that Mr. Romo would use the tragedy of this young man's death and use his family to push a political agenda. Shameful!

      November 29, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sandra

      I agree 100%

      November 29, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
  36. JulietSierra

    He DID have options – He could have gone back to the country from which he came here ILLEGALLY. The DREAM Act is ridiculous, unfair, and an absolute perfect example of why our country is in the state it's in- We are so busy taking care of everyone else that we can't/don't take care of our own. Ridiculous story.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      The DREAM act IS about looking out for Americans. Illegals are here to stay; we simply do not have the resources to secure the southern border and keep the illegals out. We can either continue to spout out ideologies that will never take root, or deal with the reality of the situation. Encouraging the illegals to get an education or serve in the military is HELPING our country. I'm not saying it's the best option out there, but at least Mr. Gingrich is pushing in the right direction.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • scedbl

        well heck, not enough resources (because of lack of money, no doubt), so let's just give anyone who shows up a free ride! that'll solve the problem! The cost of securing the borders would pale in comparison to the cost of supporting anyone who decided they wanted to come here and live...sheesh

        November 29, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
  37. Marc Condos

    So political milage can be made from an obviously disturbed person's act...pathetic. His taking his own life is tragic, using it for political gain is just sad.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Draeggo

    Very sad indeed and absolutely the fault of whomever brought him into this country. Not the responsibility or fault of a single American citizen alive today unless they conspired to bring him into the country.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marc Condos

      Don't point out the truth, it only confuses people. (I suppose it was impossible for him to move out of his house and go to college in Mexico)

      November 29, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
  39. ScottinNYC

    Such an unnecessary and tragic, tragic loss. I have no idea why anyone opposes the Dream Act. Almost all Americans have roots outside the continent, so who are we to deny others the same freedoms that our ancestors took advantage of??!! Anyone who wants to make his/her life better and contribute to the world should be allowed the opportunitiy for U.S. citizenship and the benefits it would allow. I strongly hope the Dream Act becomes a reality and allows the dreams of millions of people to come true. Let's not let this young man's life pass in vain.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2blackcats

      Yes, his death is a tragedy. But you and LaRaza keep forgetting one thing: Our ancestors did come here from somewhere else. But that was back when the U.S. was being built and we needed the population. Now we have way too many people and clearly not enough jobs to sustain even a middle class way of life. Seen the news lately? If we let everyone in who wants in, this country will be a 3rd world sewer like India or Nigeria in no time. Is that what you want?

      November 29, 2011 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • ScottinNYC

        You have no facts or logic to substantiate what you're saying. Populations are expanding all over the world and holding onto restricted borders will not do anyone any good. Try letting go of stale, tired ideals and accept the future.

        November 29, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tired of it all

      What about our legal citizens or legal immigrants child(ren)'s dreams? Should they be uprooted just for an illegal's dreams? Our prodigy may have dreams of going to college and earning a degree too, but no money in the pot for them. They may have dreams of getting a job, but there aren't very many of those to go around. They may dream of owning a house someday, but without a job – which may require a college education they couldn't get – there's despair there too.

      Barring all that with no education, no job, and no home what are our legal citizens and legal immigrants to do? File for food stamps? Well, guess what... many illegals draw those too and there just isn't enough in the budget any more to help our own with even the most basics of needs.

      November 29, 2011 at 11:38 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Youre Showing

    Patrick, didn't you know that Mexicans are white people too! So, quit insulting 'your people' as you say because they are your fellow whites to the South of the border! Just ask any agency about that. They'll tell you.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
  41. Ron

    Do they not have colleges in other countries? Maybe if he and his entire family went back to wherever they ARE citizens of, college would have been available. Just a thought....

    November 29, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rach

      Perhaps if you were educated about social and economic situations from which "these people" came from, you wouldn't find it necessary to ask such a dumb question. Lord help you.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Steve

    Who brought him here, they are responsible for his death. He had the ability to be educated in mexico or south america but chose neither. His education in america would have ensured that he would have been accepted however he would have had to pay like the rest of his countryman. So this author wants you to believe he had no options other then self destruction which is total not true. Had he stayed in Mexico I wonder how good his education would have been, so at very least he had a superior education to those he left behind in mexico and he complains.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • MashaSobaka

      ...are you freaking kidding me?

      November 29, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
  43. brokenteeth

    No disrespect to the dead , but he should have moved to San Francisco .

    November 29, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Sonia Noviango

    This is sad. I wish I was there to help him and anyone else who feels this way. There are so many ways that he could have gone to college. this was def not the way..... he had a better chance of going to college alive than dead. I think there is more to the story than just college.... I am so grateful to be in college. When I am rich, I'm going to help as many people as I can go to college.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      Ms. Sonia Noviango vows, " When I am rich, I'm going to help as many people as I can go to college."

      I hope you will. That is a most-noble thing to do.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • scedbl

      No kidding-he had a better chance of going to college than most so-called 'white' actual citizens of the US...and on someone else's dime!

      November 29, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
  45. The middle class

    It is regrettable that this young man felt the need to commit an illogical act like suicide. I am a conservative yet I support the DREAM act or similar legislation requiring specific benchmarks is achieved to reach citizenship after the border is secure. Additionally, I find the fact that CNN is trying to turn this young man’s death into battle cry for ratification of the DREAM act as pathetic. If a conservative student hung him or herself because they did not want to live in a United States that subsidies health care for all would we have read about it, I think not?

    November 29, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • confused

      liked

      November 29, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
  46. FluffyNipper

    Something tells me that Juan Diego is not Latino at all. IMHO Juan Diego is a white man who is trying to stir up things racially. He is doing a good job of it.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
  47. American

    If you fight for America, you're American. If you make this country better, you're American. Here in America, we believe in capitalism. If there's an illegal guy who can do a good job for less pay, I would want to hire that person and get a better bottom line. But I can't. If a US citizen or legal alien wants a job for higher pay, they better do a better job than that illegal and add more value to my operations. But they don't. So, I'm going to make my operation lean and not hire anyone.

    Plenty of opportunities in this country to make money. You just need balls and a vision.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sonia Noviango

      I like

      November 29, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Franxizco

      honestly 3 (me) out of our family of 7 are working in labor agencies-minimim wages we are just earning our living and not more. just a little luxury(who dosen't after working 7:00-3:00)

      November 29, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Truthof theMatter

    I bet that makes you feel like a really Big Man, Patrick. With your pea-sized brain rhetoric you don't even know that Mexicans are members of the White race, do you! They are. Just check with the state. As for your use of the words 'your people', it is Your people who show time and time again just how imbecilic they truly are with their words which reek of bigotry over and over. Truly sad it is.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
  49. scedbl

    The problem is note hate of the illegal immigrants or their children so much as it is a dislike of 'giving' them something not earned. Already, illegal immigrants are taking advantage of the welfare 'given' to them by the government in the form of aid. And on top of that we should educate these children in our universities for free because they are 'victims'. This young man obviously had some deeper issues than the "DREAM Act". As a legal citizen, I was not born into a family that could afford to pay for my college-I had to work and pay for it myself. Why should we continue to perpetuate the 'victim' culture by allowing people to continue to claim they are 'victims' because their parents brought them here illegally. We already have a victim culture perpetuated among black youth because of something that happened to some people of color years ago, that none of them have ever experienced, or can even describe in any detail because they don't care to learn. The silly argument that we are all 'immigrants' because we aren't 'native Americans' (in the context that the people who lived in what became the US have lived here always, and did not immigrate themselves) is pure ignorance. Of course so-called native Americans 'immigrated' here. If we want to give away college educations for free (which is about what they are worth) to illegal children, then why not just give it away to everyone-make public education free through college. Perhaps then we'll get some folks with at least a HS education out of it. And the asinine comment equating illegal immigration to "going 28 in a 25 mph" zone fails to mention the cost involved to society for a speeding ticket vs. supporting a family of illegal immigrants via the government for their lifetimes. Is it fair that the children should be denied access because of what their parents did? Honestly, no. But should they get a free ride because of what their parents did? Because if you answer yes, then I am one person who would certainly take the risk, were I from outside the US, to get in and make that sacrifice for my children. If I can sneak in and get away with staying a minimum number of years with detection, and the result is that while I may be denied rights, my children get a free ride?! Pass the DREAM Act and you'll see illegal immigration like you've never seen before-but not just working age people coming over-entire families. And they will suck at whatever government teat that is provided, because they are now classed as victims, and will live the victim lifestyle, and play it for all it's worth.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      Mr. Scedbl says, "The problem is note hate of the illegal immigrants or their children so much as it is a dislike of 'giving' them something not earned."

      It's not so much "earned," because US Citizenship is usually not earned. It is a right... and a right that comes to one in very specfic ways. Living illegally in the US for any number of years is simply NOT one of those specific ways.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • tk

        Yeah – like anyone who was born here "earned" the right to be American by virtue of being born to American parents. Give me a break

        November 29, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • R3MG

      Scedbl: Run for public office ..You have my vote.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • scedbl

        lol...thanks, but not rich enough!

        November 29, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rebecca

      Agreed. It is sad that this kid decided this was his only option...but I am a citizen with four kids and not a penny for college either – we can barely keep food on the table working our butts off! One of my kids is a Junior, studying hard with great but not scholarship grades. Sooooo....when I tell him, realistically, college is expensive and you are going to have to work your way through, go to community college (whatever credits you can afford) get what assistance you can through financial aid, and do what you have to do...he gets it. Times are hard for everyone! Perhaps he had other issues, anxiety, depression, and very high expectations placed on him by himself or others....maybe at some point in time, someone could have told him there were other ways to go about success...or perhaps proponents of the Dream act are using this sad story as a publicity stunt. Sad all around, something I would not wish on any parents.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
  50. cameryxle

    We have immigration laws that apply to everyone and every nationality. If you are a german or english student you also would have the same limitations the illegeals from Mexico have. So I don't see how racism has anything to do with it. I want to immagrate to England or Sweden but I also must go through the proper channels or am equally illegal and sent back to the USA. It's not like we are the only country who has inforced immigration laws.
    Also, state colleges are subsidised by American citizan tax dollers. We can hardly afford to provide the tax subsidies to our current legel student population much less the population of Mexico or any other foriegn nation.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
  51. You ReallyShow

    Patrick, you're showing your ignorance yet again! You mention White people and also your people, well, I've got news for you, bro., Latinos and Hispanics ARE members of the White race! How does that grab you, bubba! Do your homework. Hispanic is an Ethnicity not a race! Learn for once what you are talking about and don't try to jump to the very first of the line to show everyone what a great ignorant Fool you are!

    November 29, 2011 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Miles

    It's irresponsible to report on a suicide, and say that what caused the suicide is rampant in our society...ALL without even mentioning that suicide is an awful and wholly selfish act that can never be excused. The author is JUSTIFYING SUICIDE.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jimbo

      Absolutely right, Miles. People who kill themselves don't truly care about those they leave behind.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Snookie

        That's bullcrap, Jimbo, and an outright hateful thing to say to people who have had loved ones kill themselves, you self-righteous pr1ck.

        November 29, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave

      No. The piece is saying that these right wing extremist policies have real consequenes for real people. This is tragic, but certainly not isolated. We are hurting ourselves as a society when policy is driven by fear, paranoia and hatred.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • Geez

        So Dave, what you are saying is that the article is even more slanted than the origional poster suggested... If you want to look at hatred and fear take a look at oneself. Sounds like you have an unhealthy fear and hatred of the right wing. That my friend is also tearing our country apart... please, to blame this on people of a different political theology is just irresponsible.

        November 29, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      Actually, the article is attempting to blame the young boy's death upon the US Congress in order to goad them into passing a law that the author obviously wants passed. But this is A) a shameful misappropriation of a family tragedy, and B) utterly incorrect in many ways as so many posters here have pointed out.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Peter

    I am really amazed at the lack of education that people who post on all the sites, as if they haven't read any history books. Simply all Europeans came here uninvited and destroyed a life that other people had here, from all of North America to South America. and this life isn't any better, with all this Fuc%#!%@ corruption and stress, I would rather live in a teepee and have less people here from all over the world, screwing it all up. The natives here are native Indians, Mexicans come from Native Indians and some have different European blood. Most of southern USA belonged to Mexico, so for some uneducated people to talk like they do on these sites is completely ridiculous. But ignorance is bliss, let's wait till China takes over, then see what these stupid people say then. They will be the 1st kissing AS$#$$#, that is for sure, while talking about their new masters behind his/her back.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joseph

      Peter, you clearly don't get it. It's not that people don't know about the history involving Indians or Mexican lands, it's that your arguments are irrelevant. This is not Mexico. It is not Indian territory. This is the United States of America. We exist because of our past, but our past does not dictate our future. If you are here illegally today, you should leave or do the right thing and get legal status. That goes for all immigrants, not just Mexicans. But obviously they seem to be the most prevelant in our society.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      First my ancestors did not come here illegally, as far as Indians and Mexicans when you go to war and lose their are consequences now this is our country not theirs not the mexicans nor the french or the english its ours and we are keeping it.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • PlayfulDreamer

      If the Mexicans or Native Americans want the land so badly, we can give it back to them... as we found it. I'm not entirely sure that's what they'd want though, am I right?

      November 29, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mack

      How far back in history do we want to go with the 'white guilt'? Most places in the world were taken over forcibly by other civiliations at one point or another. For people to whine that white people took this land from Native Americans and Mexicans is really meaningless. As meaningless as ancient Romans taking over lands back in that time. The present is the present and we have our borders and sovereignity as other nations do. We need to protect those. It's much easier for South Americans to come over our borders and rely on the sympathies of the citizens (and liberal-mindedness) here to allow them to stay and give them various things, than it is for them to take action and fix their own countries.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • scedbl

        yep, and the so-called 'native' Americans who immigrated here fought among themselves once here, up until a stronger influence arrived-just as is the case with almost every civilization in the world...no matter the color of skin. The black slave trade (by blacks) was going on in Africa LONG before the white man ever set foot there. He merely provided another consumer for a 'product' that had been sold for centuries.

        November 29, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Blue

    Nice. Arrogant stupid wretches followed by a pious amen.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
  55. 1gadawg

    It's a shame that anyone gets to a point that they feel total hopelessness and give up on life, my best friend did because of alchohol, but couldn't he have gone to the University in Mexico City? There are University's outside of this country, or returned to Mexico and then come back legally? ...still a shame....

    November 29, 2011 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Loreatha

      I agree. His suicide was not because of society. Fault the individual (s) who brought him into this Country illegally. They are to blame. They caused this stress on their family. There are Universities in other countries. If it was really that important, pack up the family and go where illegals are accepted in college. Sorry he made this choice. The parents are to blame.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Anna

        For whatever reason, this young man decided to take his life. Let's not blame his family or anybody else for his actions. It is just a tragedy. Hopefully your kids or family members won't ever commit suicide...otherwise it would be your fault...right???

        November 29, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • OneAnnoyedGal

        Parents fault? Really? Hahaha!! You must not have kids but must have a low IQ.

        November 29, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Report abuse |
  56. Ihatehippies

    You want Cali back? Come get it. Oh... wait... your military is too busy losing the war on drugs.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
  57. Republican with sense

    I hope all these people who post "illegal means illegal" and that every law needs to be enforced consider: First, being here illegally is not a crime under federal law; it is a civil status offense. It is amazing that people who are so opinionated about this issue have never researched when illegal presence in the Country is a crime and when it is not.

    Second, how many Americans do not ascribe to that "all laws need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent" philosophy when driving, paying taxes, using influence to get themselves or their kids out of trouble for indiscretions, etc.

    Third, the legal immigration process is broken and unworkable. For example, in 2000 Congress authorized the issuance of up to 10,000 "U Visas" per year to those in the US illegally who were victims of crime and helping in a criminal prosecution. The 2000 legislation required the government to develop procedures for the administration of the U Visa program. Those regulations were not released until 2007 - so for 7 years there were crime victims who were eligible for legal status in the US who could not apply for it because the regulations had not been issued. The law allowed them to stay but there was no process for the implementation of the law. This is the disfunction that exists in the system.

    Fourth, In 1980, the United States Supreme Court ruled that our schools could not ask the immigration status of any child that sought to enroll and that the child must be educated regardless of immigration status. IT IS THIS RULING by the United States Supreme Court (which is the law of our land) that placed the children eligible for the Dream Act in the position that they are in. Educated in the US, but eligible for deportation at 18. Now there's a result that makes no sense.

    Fourth, you can waste all the money, time and wind arguing that everyone here illegally (even those brought here as children) must be deported, but the US does not have the money, courts, law enforcement, etc. to identify everyone, round them up, determine their immigration status and then have a hearing to deport them. So, wouldn't it be great if we could identify those individuals who were brought here through no fault of their own and who have the skills and willingness to contribute to our Country and give them a clear, meaningful path to citizenship. That way all our government systems could concentrate on dealing with the people who are hear illegally but are negatively impacting our society. Then we could move this debate forward.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott from NH

      Wow!!! I wish there were a lot more Republicans like you!

      November 29, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lisa

      Agreed. When we fix the laws, women get to vote, African Americans are free and people who would make this country great get to stay.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amanda

      Though I (somewhat) agree with you, I'm having a hard time taking someone seriously who wrote the fifth point as the fourth.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mrs. M

      I HAVE read Immigration Law. Your statements only prove that you have NOT.

      It's my opinion that "DREAM Act" legislation was a carrot dangled in front of illegal aliens for the sole purpose of enticing Hispanic voters to support a Democratic ticket. It worked. They did. We now have the most incompetent sitting President in the history of the United States of America.

      At 18 years of age, any illegal alien (including the one who committed suicide) has the option to enlist in the United States military. Service in our military that includes combat service is a guaranteed path to citizenship.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave

      My friend, you aren't just a Republican with sense, you are a true Republican. I don't know who these nutjobs are that running the party, but they are conservatives.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Franxizco

      that's exatly what our family(and many other families) are trying to do. we HAVE to work(minimum wage) to achieve legalization(on progress) we have no intent to become thugs/robbers/killers. we are just trying to live in whatever honest way POSSIBLE, yes we have had minor crimes (just traffic). but whatever people say we have work to EARN money otherwise how can we pay in the first place. paying taxes or whatever, the thing is we are here and we are just trying to live(not tax free)

      November 29, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • It is a crime

      It is a crime. Look up 8 USC 1325 and 8 USC 1326 in the Code of Federal Regulations. Because of the LARGE amount of illegal immigrants apprehended every day at the border and those already in our country, the courts cannot handle the number of prosecutions that would be required. For that reason, in most cases, the criminal act is adjudicated civilly, hence enforcing the law while avoiding clogging the courts.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:35 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Pooby

    He KILLED himself because he feared he would never be able to go to college??? Are you kidding me?! How disgusting, that the family of this kid will exploit his suicide for political purposes, and CNN follows suit.

    What would his chances for success be in Mexico? Or, what would MY chances be in Mexico, if I were to go and stay there illegally?

    I'm sick and tired of all these Mexican hypocrites who want to come here and "fix" America, rather than stay home and fix Mexico.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mack

      Very well said–my thoughts exactly. Using this person's suicide as a political argument is wrong of the family. Maybe they actually believe this, but as others have said, I think there was a bit more going on than him fearing he would never go to college.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
  59. ihopper

    Go tell God or his parents your funny little joke and see if you still think it's funny.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • BK2OC

      i did. Allah dont lilke ugly or the deaf, dumb and blind

      November 29, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
  60. Scott from NH

    They check your immigration status to get welfare and food stamps. Every single illegal person I know uses a fake green card, pays taxes, and in fact, pays into Social Security that they will never collect on.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Franxizco

      correct, you sir really know how it works, thumbs ups

      November 29, 2011 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
  61. DoNotWorry

    You act like it is some kind of monstrous deed to send people back to their native country. How ridiculous these articles and posts are... woe is me, some young man who was mentally ill because of his family life, no doubt, committed suicide. I am sorry he was mentally ill and that his family did not find help for him. He lived in Texas, which would allow him to go to college at in-state tuition fees. He got an education for free every year he lived here illegally. He and his family are crooks. Would you change the nation's laws because illegal aliens came in with their mentally-ill son who committed suicide? Perhaps if his parents had decided to not live a criminal lifestyle, this would not have happened. Bogus R U.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
  62. What a bunch of hypocrites. Our founders would be ashamed of you.

    tkb, I take it you're a Native American. Because otherwise, you have to go back to. Your ancestors did NOT have the permission of the indigenous peoples of this land to come here, therefore you are not legal either.

    Bye. Don't let the gate smack you in the ass as you go.

    If on the other hand, you are Native American, (full, 100%, by the way, not a drop less) why should it make any difference to you whether someone is here illegally from Europe, Asia, or from "South of the Border"?

    November 29, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Patrick

    I wonder what phrase or word I used that my post was denied, since CNN seems to have rules it would be nice to know what they are so I and others don't waste time creating content only to have it blocked by some rule no one knows anthing about. In my post I said no swear words, no racists remarkes and nothing even close to being objectionable yet it doesn't show. How about it CNN becase your terms of service didn't cover anything I posted.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      It would be nice if there were consistent rules, but it just seems arbitrary.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Youre Showing

      But you have said racist remarks in your other posts! You are truly showing what you are little man!

      November 29, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
  64. IfWeHadMoreMoney

    -___- Your looking at things at a one-sided perspective. I'll just copy & paste my other post.

    ... The wealth we claim to have are not ours anymore, they belong to China and we owe them a lot. Also adding on more salt to an open wound, if we legalize the illegals, then we are basically spending more money that we physically don't have, the govt would have to pay their welfare, healthcare, and college loans. If they can't repay for their college loans w/ interest, then the whole financial system defaults again just like 2007-2008 but this time, they can not claim Chp. 13 – bankruptcy on student loans, meaning they are screwed for life affecting the rest of the Americans out there.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
  65. ihopper

    Send the bill for his funeral to Mitt and the gang care of the RNC and Mike above.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mack

      And why would we do that? They had nothing to do with this. If the family was over here illegally, they need to go back and make their country a better place rather than just hopping over the border to take from ours. Perhaps the people there need to have another revolution?

      November 29, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Chuck

        Mr. Mack is entirely correct when he points out that Mr. ihopper is entirely wrong.

        November 29, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Franxizco

    SIN ZETAS

    November 29, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
  67. Scott from NH

    First... 10% of them already left in the past 2 years. Second... sending every illegal out of America would cause an instant depression. When Malaysia threw out all the illegals their factories shut down and their economy went into free fall, they ended up spending tens of millions on campaigns to convince them to come back!

    November 29, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
  68. Wolf

    That is exactly why the US should just take over Mexico and make it the 51st state.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • What a bunch of hypocrites. Our founders would be ashamed of you.

      Wolf, we are in full agreement, provided the reason you want the US to annex Mexico is the same as mine, which is to recognize in law, what is true in fact, that our two countries are in fact one, and with the hope of alleviating the misery our national drug problem has caused so many in neighboring Mexico. We share the same plot of land, millions of our citizens live in their country, (where it's cheaper) and untold numbers of theirs live here.

      Every reason we were given, when Bush lied to us about why we had to invade Iraq, is actually true of our southern neighbor, and unlike Iraq, we actually DO have a legitimate reason to go in there, and liberate the people of Mexico from the oppression of their marginally functional joke of a government. By applying US law to Mexico, (after annexation) we would no longer have US companies abusing the poverty of Mexico to ship jobs from here south, and we would not have the lopsided narcotics enforcement (waaaay harder to grow it here than there) making it so lucrative to grow it there, and then ship it here.

      Our laws hurt their citizens. By rights, they SHOULD be invading US, (and some might argue that they are, and more power to them, I suppose) but it would be better for the man on the street, or el hombre en la via, if WE invade THEIRS, and install a FUNCTIONAL GOVERNMENT, accountable to the people.

      The Mexican government makes Chicago politics look honest and on the up-and-up by comparison. We allow almost unfettered access to guns, and have a ridiculous drug problem. We have an economy that still functions (mostly) and are relatively prosperous.

      Hey, bigots, you want all of "them" to stop coming here, or go back? Consider this: the reason they're coming up here isn't because they know absence makes the heart grow fonder, and so they want to get the jump on missing their families so they will love them more, and it for DAMN SURE ain't the warm weather, or the friendly, open-armed welcome America provides them. They are modern-day slaves... the only difference between the oppression of the Mexican today, and the enslavement of imported Africans in the 1700s through the 1800's, is that it was then enslavement by the individual. Now it's enslavement of a class, and all the members of that class, "illegal" immigrants, are denied the basic liberties we all take for granted, like equal justice before the law, for example.

      By the way, before a bunch of you try to shout me down saying that our laws should only protect our citizens, consider that the laws weren't established to ensure YOUR privileges, but to assure that we would not have a return to tyranny. The denial of protections from government subjugation to ANY ONE is subjugation of ALL.

      People keep forgetting that there is NO FUNDAMENTAL difference between YOU and an "illegal" Mexican. You're not BETTER, you're LUCKIER.

      Try to remember.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
  69. SirOcelot

    If he was smart enough to go to college in the first place he wouldn't have been dumb enough to kill himself. Furthermore, illegal is illegal no matter how you spin it. I'm not against immigration, I am against illegal immigration.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott from NH

      Since you are not against immigration, and there is currently no way for them to come here legally, why don't we just declare them legal, then you don't have to be upset anymore!

      November 29, 2011 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ihatehippies

        if we took in every immigrant our major cities would develop favelas; the cap is there for a reason.

        November 29, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
  70. Mr Jimmy

    thieves... you stated...

    "Now now Mr. Jimmy. lets not forget it was your people who came to this land illegally. It is you who is here illegally. How good it must feel to point your finger at someone else and how the feeling of the word illegal must be rolling off your tongue. Shame on you Mr. Jimmy"

    Shame on you Sir...

    "My people" came here legally on a boat from Germany. They were/are legal naturalized citizens... Thank you!

    November 29, 2011 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
  71. Franxizco

    Correct, i want to highlight "You can not live in the US and be a freeloader". take a look at alabama, not work, move on, if no more options=back to own country.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
  72. nick

    you, sir, are an idiot.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
  73. Scott from NH

    America is a great country in many ways, but in empathy and compassion we are close to last. I can't think of another country where someone would feel proud to brag about their utter lack of concern over a teenagers death. I'm not sure what is wrong with America that it turns out people as hateful as you.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
  74. name

    pay taxes and its k

    November 29, 2011 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Majestic_Lizard

    My guess is that your ancestors are not Native Americans. You are the one who should go back home to Europe.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Majestic_Lizard

    Whether or not you believe he should have been allowed to stay, you should feel empathy for someone who had known the USA as his only home and who had worked hard to better himself. If you cannot feel compassion for other people, you have no benefit to society.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
  77. guest

    It's a shame to lose a young life like that. No matter what, parents should teach kids the survival skills, help them adapt and adjust, including to the prospect of returning to Mexico. It's hard enough to immigrate legally. Parents need to think this through before bringing their kids over without a legal status.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
  78. scranton

    I don't buy any of this crap.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick Lewis

      Violates your world view, does it? Paints Mexicans as something less than sub human orange pickers? You might want to examine why you are someone who thinks a dead kid is crap.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
  79. dscon

    Juan you've just made a bunch of heartless comment's
    Perfectly Justifiable.
    POS!

    November 29, 2011 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
  80. Miles

    Yeah, being responsible for one's own actions is totally a cultural thing, and primarily is an issue in the white community. That's why all non-white societies never have any problems with crime. Because everybody's responsible!

    Are you sure you're not using a little too much of your own product? Careful, you have to pay the supplier eventually!

    November 29, 2011 at 8:55 pm | Report abuse |
  81. What a bunch of hypocrites

    If our country enacted a law making it illegal for you to breathe, would you respect that law? The laws, the racist and bigoted laws we have that deny someone the blessings extended to 300,000,000 people by the happy accident of their place of birth, effectively condemns them to misery. The puritans were not "legal" immigrants, there was no law that allowed them to come to this land. They, and their descendants, took by deception, by guile, and sometimes by open warfare and atrocious acts of rape and murder, what was not theirs. When you state you want "them" kept out, you are standing on your high-horse, defending your "rights" to stolen property. Our laws essentially tell people, "sorry, you have to stay in misery and squalor in your home-country" and we expect anyone to respect that law?

    Many people fled persecution to come to America, including leaving their own countries illegally. Like the tens of thousands who over decades fled the totalitarian thugocracy of a place like the Soviet Union. Maybe we should verify, you sanctimonious pri cks, that your ancestors did not violate the laws of their own countries by leaving them without permission to come to the US. I see no valid reason why it should make a difference if you're parents, gp's, ggps, etc., broke a law by being here, or if they broke a law leaving there, as so many people do when fleeing prosecution. If your 'rents broke a law by coming here, I guess that means we should strip you of your rights and privileges, and send you back too. If your name doesn't sound something like "Sitting Eagle" or "One Tree Stream" or "Black Bear Paw" or whatever, YOU ARE THE CHILD OF IMMIGRANTS, NO DIFFERENT FROM THIS BOY.

    This is a tragedy and a travesty. I don't think our stupid, hypocritical laws penalizing those about whom all you smug, self-righteous lost souls should see and realize that there, but for the sweet and tender grace of the ever-loving, everlasting, almighty Lord of Hosts Himself, GO YOU. The only difference between most of us, and most of "them", is that you had the good, and THOROUGHLY UNDESERVED, and, I can't stress it enough, UNEARNED great fortune to have been blessed by Hashem, He who is also called Adonai, and Eloheinu, (Hallowed be His Holy Name, the LORD OUR GOD,) to have been born on THIS side of an imaginary and arbitrarily line drawn on some map.

    Thank you, all of you on CNN.com, who made comments praising this tragedy, just as the terrorists who hate America danced and sang in praise of the attacks of 9/11, for making sure to spew your evil hatred for your fellow child of God, to issue your venom, to let fly free the telltales of your own inequity, to hoist them high aloft for all to see, RIGHT SMACK DAB IN BETWEEN THANKSGIVING, a day in which we should all reflect on the mercy and bounty we receive from our Lord, the Most High, and CHRISTMAS, when so many people in this world should be thanking God in Heaven for the deliverance of all mankind through the sacrifice of the Lamb, God's own precious Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, from such sins as you have eating away at your hearts, that you can be happy that a beautiful and flowering young man of such promise, so precious to our God, was driven to such despair that he did this thing...

    All I can say is that I sincerely hope God has mercy upon your souls. You don't deserve it, but you sure as Hell need it.

    Reflect on that, you arrogant, stupid wretches.

    God, please receive the soul of this poor child into your everlasting mercy. Amen.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Harry

      You're so right in what you say in your response. Your comment makes the most sense of any and all comments. It's good to know that there are some intelligent, sane, non-wingnut people in this country. Thank you for your comment and shining a light through the haze of bigotry and hate.

      November 30, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • davy

        cool you wrote "the happy accident of their place of birth" cool ha ha

        November 30, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
  82. angelaD

    You can not be a welfare country and an immigration country at the same time. I'd prefer an immigration country!

    November 29, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick Lewis

      Illegals don't get welfare, moron. They are illegal. They can't even call the cops if they are robbed or worse. A free pass to rape someone is what we are giving out here because we have two classes of people in this country, ones with rights and ones with none.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Asi

        Patrick, but they can and many do receive free money in some form. When I was a nurse in LA and my husband was going for his masters, we lived on a street with poor college students and illegal immigrants. Every immigrant I knew had some type of assistance-WIC, food stamps, etc. In the 24 bed ICU where I worked, we gave out millions and millions in free care to illegal immigrants who never bought health insurance. Everything was a complete write-off. Not all illegal immigrants receive free assistance, but it is entirely possible.

        All that aside, the story of this young man's hopelessness is tragic, regardless of my personal opinion of the DREAM Act.

        November 29, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
  83. Saith

    It is not the fault of a young child whose parents choose to bring them here illegally...I feel bad for this kid. He didn't make this decision, and it ruined his life. I feel allowing citizenship to someone who serves our military for 4+ years and/or acquires a degree seems very reasonable. If they can't hack either requirement, send them home.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joseph

      His situation (being an illegal immigrant) is 100% the fault of his parents. His suicide is 100% his fault. There are options out there. Yes, he could have served 4 years in the military (as one option), then gone to college. But no, instead of delaying his education to serve the country he wanted to be a part of, he chose death. Sorry, but I'm not buying the articles reasons.. there had to be more to the story. But if not, then honestly I don't believe he was smart enough, even if he was here legally, to have gained admittance into any self-respecting university.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • hello

      its not the American Tax payers fault that his criminal parents brought him to the Us . They should not expect or demand US to support them just because they are here. I am sure his country has educational choices. They have colleges just like we do here. The US is no the only country that has colleges. If he wants a free education he needs to go to HIS country and demand his country's Tax payers to pay for his education not US.
      There are 7 billion people on this planet is the US tax payer expected to provide welfare and free education for the whole planet... NO..BUT .. H3LL no. If he wanted an education he needs to go to his country and get it there,

      November 29, 2011 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
  84. RC

    I do believe they have colleges in Mexico.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
  85. Chuck

    It's a right of birth.

    But, while the right-of-birth that makes me an American Citizen is a pretty good one, it is not the best one I could have gotten. Had I been born a citizen of Saudi Arabia, for example, then as a right of my citizenship I would have been eligible to receive a world-class college education - all the way through doctorate - for FREE! I would also have received excellent FREE healthcare all of my life. Come to think of it, even though this American thing is pretty good, maybe I should just move to Saudi Arabia and expect them to give me all those benefits?

    Just as if I was to illegally move to Saudi Arabia, I could have no expectation of being given the benefits of Saudi citizenship, so also a non-American can not just move here illegally and expect to be showered with the benefits - meager as they are in comparison to those of Saudi citizenship - of American citizenship.

    I no more have the right to claim the benefits of Saudi citizenship any more than this unfortunate boy had the right to claim the benefits of American citizenship.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
  86. B2Tall

    There are tens of thousands of non-American who are LEGALLY attending colleges and Universities in this country. It can be done under existing laws. They may have to jump through an easy hoop or two but every year thousands of foreigners graduate from our schools and thousands more start their higher education here.

    The days of immigrants coming to this country to embrace the "American Dream" is long gone. I live in S. Florida – the crucible for immigration – and I see it every day. Immigrants just come here to pick up a paycheck, nothing more. Latin America, Europe......it's all about the money. Most don't even care about learning the language other than the bare minimum to get a job. They care NOTHING about American values, culture, or history.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      Mr. B2Tall correctly points out, "There are tens of thousands of non-American who are LEGALLY attending colleges and Universities in this country. It can be done under existing laws."

      That is true. You just need an appropriate visa.

      November 29, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Victor

        Hard to attend college without being able to get student loans or work–idiot!

        November 29, 2011 at 11:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • JemimaPD

        Victor,

        There is no need to be rude.

        There are thousands of foreign students studying in America. If they do not qualify for grants from their own governments or scholarships from the US universities then they need to find different options!

        There is a GREAT post farther above, that makes a good point about the limited amount of funds available for grants and scholarships-money which should first go to deserving poor and middle class American citizens or legal residents.

        November 30, 2011 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Raven66

    Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. In this case the illegal in question, could have corrected the problem he had encountered by becoming a citizen. However, I believe that there was more going on inside this kid's head then what's stated here.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Mia

    He deserves going to college more than those who go to college to party, drink, and skip class.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      The question is now whether or not he deserved to go to college, just where.

      November 29, 2011 at 8:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ricko

      He only deserves college if he pays for it not me!

      November 29, 2011 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • hello

      if the only way he felt he could get an education is FREE from the American tax payers.. then he is stupid and does not deserve an education. He will not be missed... dumb $$$__h–tt.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tired of it all

      Who's to say that once he got to college, he wouldn't have done the same exact thing as any other teenager fresh away from home and parental influence? There are many legal citizens and legal immigrants out there who earn their way to college by earning scholarships while in High School too, but then toss it all away once they're there. Teens who were once declared "responsible", "honorable", etc have been known to fall of the wagon once they get to college.... It happens in all walks of life, so assuming he wouldn't have done this when he was already apparently troubled (since he did commit suicide) just means you're just being small minded about the additional possibilities.

      November 29, 2011 at 11:56 pm | Report abuse |
  89. draxta

    This kid shot himself in the head in the bathroom of his families house. I doubt that he had the capacity to add anything substantial if he was this fragile. God knows what could have happened and what he would have done had he actually made it to college and had problems while attending.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
  90. Mark

    Mostly this debate sinks because the employment of illegals is breaking the law. How come so many want to blame those who came to work, but fail to denounce their employers. With no comprehensive immigration reform, there is will be no truly secure ID system, so the status quo largely continues and employers continue to profit. For every illegal deported, we should have an employer serving time in jail and that would quickly end this mess. But as long as the right wing demands deportation for everyone, there will be no reform and so they continue to profit from the mess the way it is.
    I for one see law enforcement as being totally lop sided on this issue and hope others understand that without the employers there would be no illegal workers.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lulu A.

      You're exactly right but here's the thing: Republicans don't really want to deport illegals; they just say that to appease their angry base. They WANT to provide cheap labor to their corporate masters. Repugs allowed more illegals into the U.S. than any Democrat and they never really do anything substantive to stem the flow. Same thing with abortion. Of course, there are always a few zealots thrown into the mix but by and large, Repugs don't want all those unwanted babies being born, taxing the system, especially when so many won't be the right color.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
  91. bresson

    When you educate someone in your community, regardess of legality, it improves your community. I'd rather have (and help pay for) educated "illegals" in my neighborhood, working and paying taxes, than uneducated unemployed illegals who are desperate enough to steal for their survival. This racist and spiteful resistance to those in your community is to the detriment of your community. Cant you see that?

    If we somehow rounded up and deported every illegal in this country, prices would skyrocket, especially for every day items such as food, hotels, and other amenities... And if we take a hard line on things like education your community falters as well.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • JT

      So do it. Quit with all of the high-sounding talk, get out of your chair, walk down the street, pull out your wallet, and help an illegal immigrant kid get an education. But don't tell me that all of society should have to walk in lockstep with you.

      November 29, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • bresson

        We already do, thats the point. It comes out of our taxes and thats a good thing. In fact we need to do more. The DREAM act should have passed. Providing for those in your community is an essential part of maintaining your community. This isnt "high sounding talk" this is reality, people are here trying to participate in our society and we are preventing them from doing so on a technicality of where they were born.

        November 29, 2011 at 8:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • JT

        Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it? Go back and read what I wrote, then get off your chair, walk out of your house, and put your money and time where your mouth is.

        November 29, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • mark

        Brenson: We can't afford to give every kid (illegal or not) a free college education. Who would empty the garbage cans anyway? There are enough people going to college to "maintain society", as long as they don't get liberal arts degree in pottery...

        November 29, 2011 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • hello

        and how many million shall we put you down for to pay for college.. Can we put you down for about 5 million?
        Must be nice that you can offer to pay this... how many illegals do you have living in your house and garage? couple thousand?

        November 29, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • -

        everybody has the right to be education, no matter where they're going, or where they're from, because they cannot choose the place to be born, but they can choose the place to live, an this has to be respected. the world doesn't belong to anybody alone, but all of us together.Just a person with they're eyes closed eyes, and a hard head thinks this country belongs only to them.

        November 29, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • bresson

      Racist. How many do you know or spend time with? My guess is you see hispanics at your local fast food establishment who speak with an accent and roll your eyes, complaining that we're a hispanic country now, when in reality the ones you see working are probably here legally anyway.

      Making a dismissive comment like they are "animals" or something is just disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself.

      November 29, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lulu A.

      Bresson, I'm already paying to educate many, many illegals in primary, middle, and high school. I certainly cannot afford to help send them to college too. I have my own two kids to educate and I lose sleep every night wondering how I'm going to do it. I live in a small town and we have tons of illegals who work in the surrounding affluent communities but live in ours because it's more affordable. Guess who sends them to school? The rich people exploiting their parents' labor? No, the poor schmucks who pay taxes where they live. Do the Feds help out? No. Does anyone? No. So, sorry if I can't summon up more sympathy. I too lost out on tuition aid in college because though I met the financial qualifications, I wasn't considered disadvantaged (read, I was white). But my friend who was not a citizen (not sure of her status) got tuition, book money, and a living stipend to attend a private Catholic university. I worked my way through a city college. Is that fair?

      November 29, 2011 at 10:11 pm | Report abuse |
  92. Benjamin Nagurski

    Seems many of you americans forget where you came from. Unless you're a Native American, you came from somewhere else, just like the Mexicans. I don't recall americans ever asking permission to settle here, they just came and stole the land and murdered the indigenous native people. Get off your high horse and admit, you are as much an immigrant as those just arriving. Shame on America for forgetting where you came from. And by the way, this isn't your homeland.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Miles

      Yo, Native American's weren't here first, either. History doesn't only go back to where you learned in school...

      November 29, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Benjamin Nagurski

        Sounds like you had a good ol' american education. Say it enough times and it becomes true. It doesn't work here though, anthropology is on our side.

        November 29, 2011 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Miles

        Just because a group of people were the first human beings in a region doesn't make it their right to be the only ones ever living there, nor does it mean they are expected to stay there forever. Have *you* ever moved?

        How far back in time are you willing to go? Are you going to argue for the poor downtrodden plants when quadripedal and bipedal life developed? It seems you're willing to go just far enough back in history to look like you have a clue and that you're sympathetic, but its clear that there's no point to saying that the native americans were "here first". I was the first one at the movie theater last night. Guess what? It's today, and different people are there now. The means by which USA was colonized were bloody, yes, but what are you defending?

        November 29, 2011 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • JT

      So was it wrong for the native Americans to fight back? If not, then why is it wrong for the United States to defend its borders?

      November 29, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • ahmed abderaman

      Finally someone saying the truth. This is exactly what i meant to say. Well said man tell them, remind them, where are they from.

      November 29, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • cmc

      So, Ben, do you propose we just get rid of border agents, passports, visas, etc. and just open the floodgates? Why bother having to differentiate between "legal" and "illegal" immigration based on your argument? We could have swarms of Al Quaida here in a week if that would make you happy. Seriously, if we want to point out all that was wrong centuries ago, you owe me something because as a woman, I wasn't allowed an education or an equal opportunity to work or vote or own property! Should we go back that far since you've already opened the wound of centuries old injustices?

      November 29, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      So in your rational we should just open the borders and not worry about controlling who enters the country. Not worry about who is paying taxes to keep the colleges, roads, ect... running. A free for all.

      One thing your missing is that when the first Europeans came to North America there was no country and hence no borders. Now there are countries and all countries control their borders and immigration into their country. It's not a new concept and has been working this was for many many years.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • hello

      I think there should be a volunteer fund for those who want to pay college and welfare for illegals. That would NOT be tax deductible for donors... so those who support the dream act etc.. it will be from only those who ant to pay for it.. NOT forced from Tax payers. . Now American families can hardly afford to pay for their kids education. do you really think they will be willing to pay for illegals to go? NO... Why can't their native country's pay for their education...Why is the US tax payer forced to do it.. We do not OWE them an education....or a life time of welfare...
      There is nothing for those bleeding hearts to pay for illegals education...you want to education them then you pay for it.. NOT ME.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • scedbl

        I agree-but politicians only vote to get more votes, not to do what's right, so ain't gonna ever happen...

        November 29, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nick

      you are naive. But if you want to play that card, anthropology. There is alot more of you to dig up, because you couldn't develop past a diaper and a bow an arrow. Is that harsh? If you are a citizen of this country don't come here and attack it. OR go home OR leave? no no no , you are too coward for that. You want to talk indians were cheated and get compensation, casinos.

      November 29, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Report abuse |
  93. Patriot

    Do not come here illegally. Do not live here as an illegal immigrant. One life to live, do not waste it.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      Oh yeah, they had better get back to living in their luxury mansions with enough time on their hands to not have to worry about being robbed or the fact that they're starving to death Mr. I finally have something to complain about

      November 29, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
  94. SPLAT

    ANOTHER FEEL BAD FOR THE IMMIGRANT STORY.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Eagle

    I doubt this story. The student had problems and his family and others are exploiting it so others can stay and continue to suck off of our system. I dont trust liars and illegals are full of lies.

    As for those, such as Emila, I don't give a rats a-. What part of illegal dont you get? Return to your country and then do what other LEGALS do – work to come here legally.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • tvmc

      Displaced anger. The illegals are not at the bottom of the latter. They are at the top. They have convinced you that the culprits are the poor. Look for those who control the wealth. They have created a system that makes bad behavior legal. They define legality (influence congress) and then rely on narrow minds that think they are patriots and uphold the law. How about questioning the law and the people who pay millions to lobbyist to make their own laws. Try to go beyond the law and think about what is right. Helping the poor, regardless of legal status is the RIGHT thing to do. Don't get angry at what I"m suggesting. Just think through it, pray a little and see if there is any value to what I"m saying. I submit this to you with best intentions.

      November 29, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • tvmc

        My error: ladder, not latter.

        November 29, 2011 at 9:01 pm | Report abuse |
  96. TJM

    No, he didn't kill himself because he thought he had lost the opportunity to go to college. Truth. That's just ridiculous. There were much darker things going on within this young man that. The truth will be found somewhere in his family and his social life. Don't be fooled by the reporter's technique: "Let me tug at the peoples' hearts...and then slip 'em my ideology."

    Here's another truth: Our western progressive culture has so perfected the art of coddling that our young people can't deal with adversity in their lives. They are increasingly angry, rebellious, envious of others...and depressed.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Miles

      Yeah, and with a growing number of editorials like these implicitly providing excuses for the inexcusable and wholly selfish act of suicide.

      It's plain irresponsible to report on a suicide, blame it on something, and then say that what caused it is really rampant in our society....all without ever saying that suicide is wrong. What are you really saying? You're giving people a REASON to commit suicide, if anything!

      November 29, 2011 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nick

        Thank you for some reason here. CNN needs a suspension or something for reporting this in this fashion. If you read there is basically two responses: common sense "this story has no place here, god rest his soul". And all the other idiots about stepping on indians, and immigrants deserve a chance. If you are technically an immigrant out of your own country, then go be in immigrant in.....Pakisatn. OR China. Go on then people, immigrants, run along

        November 29, 2011 at 11:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • tvmc

      Denial.

      November 29, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
  97. Cheryl

    I am surprised the article does not say how his parents feel about committing a crime that led to their son's death. If they had been lawful people, their son would have never been in the position to kill himself over their crimes.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
  98. Mike, formerly from Syracuse

    We let in 1 million people legally each year. That's more than then the rest of the world combined. So yes, those who want to come can wait their turn.

    November 29, 2011 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
  99. Let Them LEARN

    here is this one young man who lost hope in furthering his education... but in response hundreds of un-educated and ignorant comments get blasted in response... If you think that furthering the education of "illegal" residents is your problem, I would reflect on your own lack of education ... you want to stay ignorant? fine... and let those who want to learn LEARN

    November 29, 2011 at 8:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • IfWeHadMoreMoney

      Sure but not with tax payer money at this condition in our economy. By all means use your money to fund these people.

      November 29, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • PutYour MoneyWhere

        Well since you use your money as toilet paper but would still deny opportunity to learn to those who want to, what can we say except that you are an non-compassionate fool who truly believes in breeding more fools instead of good, learned people!

        November 29, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Right YouAre

      Woo Hoo!!! You are totally correct in this! I give you many Kudos for your brilliance in thinking in a truly Humanitarian way. Let those who would throw their own families under the bus do so. But as for those who WANT to learn, give them Every Opportunity! In time, they will become productive members of society and God knows we need more of them instead of bigots and racists like what is being shown here in many postings!!

      November 29, 2011 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
  100. cmc

    It is sad that although when he was younger, his parents probably felt they were doing the right thing by bringing him here illegally, but sadly, their activities caught up with them and their son suffered for it. It's the same thing when American parents break the law....they get caught, they go away and then their children end up suffering for the "sins of the father".

    November 29, 2011 at 8:41 pm | Report abuse |
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