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As California mandate looms, some LGBT curriculum already in place
California schools must meet a January deadline to include LGBT history in their curricula.
December 10th, 2011
06:00 AM ET

As California mandate looms, some LGBT curriculum already in place

By Debra Goldschmidt, CNN In America

(CNN) - In 10th grade English at Los Angeles’ Grover Cleveland High School, Danielle Taklender's students read the book "Luna" by Julie Anne Peters.  It's a story about a transgender teen.

Taklender has been teaching the book for seven years without any fanfare or push back. It’s getting noticed now as her school district takes the lead in developing a plan to comply with the first state law mandating lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender history and social science curricula. The California law, which takes effect in January, stops short of dictating how schools are to comply and leaves that up to the districts and schools themselves to figure out.

Taklender uses "Luna" to expose students to new vocabulary and different ways of thinking about pronouns. The students discuss gender identity versus sexual orientation, as well as gender roles in literature.  Taklender said she teaches this book the same way she teaches every other book.

She says the only negative feedback she has run into was a parent who once requested an alternate assignment after the class finished reading the book.

“No students ever say they changed their sexual orientation because of it,” Taklender said.

The new law, called the California Fair Education Act, also requires schools teach about the contributions of Native Americans, and people with disabilities. It also bans instructional materials that adversely reflect on a person due to their sexual orientation. The requirements are actually an expansion to the education code already in existence, which requires lesson plans to include various ethnic groups.

But it is not without controversy. Some opponents have religious objections, others say it’s part of sex education and belongs at home not in schools.  Others simply don’t want this taught to their children.

So far, opposition efforts to repeal the law, which passed last summer, have failed. There are currently at least five initiative measures awaiting review by the attorney general that could make their way on the ballot for next year's election, but it’s too late to stop the law that takes effect next month. If any of the ballot measures pass, they will undo the curriculum that is already in place.

Although individual teachers, like Taklender, have innovated LGBT studies, there aren’t any system-wide models for districts to duplicate, said Jill Marcellus, a spokeswoman for the Gay-Straight Alliance Network.

The Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network’s 2009 National School Climate Survey found that about 13% of students were taught in a positive way about lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender people in any of their classes.

Scott Hirschfeld, director of curriculum at the Anti-Defamation League, said kids can go from kindergarten through 12th grade without ever learning about an LGBT person.

“They are really getting an incomplete history,” he said. “The reality is that in most schools this is not a standard part of curriculum.”

In California, many schools have taken a wait-and-see approach, but not the Los Angeles Unified School District. In September, they set a 60-day deadline to develop a new curriculum. This was added to a resolution for affirmation of the district's anti-bullying measures to protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

The change isn’t much different than in 2004, when the districts had to update health materials to address gender and sexuality, said Judy Chiasson, program coordinator for Los Angeles Unified School District’s Office of Human Relations, Diversity and Equity. At the time, the district had to create its own material, she said, because there wasn't anything similar out there.

The district has reviewed what is already working in some of its classrooms.  Educators have also looked at materials by groups including the Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, University of California Los Angeles and University of Southern California. Those materials are the basis of a draft implementation plan for Los Angeles schools that is currently under review by the district Superintendent, a spokeswoman said.

In the meantime, at Downtown Magnets High School in Los Angeles, Daniel Jocz's eleventh grade history students continue to discuss lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues. The subject has been part of Jocz's lesson plans since he started teaching seven years ago. Some days, that means a discussion about language: the negative use of the word 'gay' or using 'guys' to describe women.  His students will often compare and contrast the use of  these words with racial slurs.

The students have also looked at case studies that compare the 1955 murder of 14-year-old African-American Emmett Till in Mississippi with the 1998 murder of gay Wyoming college student, Matthew Shepard.

"There are parallels between the gay situation and the civil rights movement,” Jocz said. "If you don't include it as part of the narrative, you are ignoring it. You have to acknowledge it.”

Every generation has altered the way history is taught in schools, New York University history and education Professor Jonathan Zimmerman said. In the 1920s, it was the Irish, in the 1950s and 1960s, it was African-Americans and in the 1970s, it was Latinos.

“There was a time when history books only had white guys,” Zimmerman said. “Over time, successive groups fought to have their story become part of the main story.”

Adding lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender studies is no different, he said. But schools must be careful not to just celebrate the group - they need to address tough questions and do some hard thinking. For example, he said, sending soldiers to fight for freedom for others while denying gay freedom in the military.

“We need to think about why we’re including them and what the purpose of these stories is in the first place,” Zimmerman said.

Which is why schools are looking at Taklender’s English class and Jocz’s history class.  They are still trying to learn how this generation’s history will be taught.

Taklender and Jocz say they are just doing their jobs.

"Even though I knew it was revolutionary,” Taklender said, “I didn't think it was a big deal."


Filed under: Community • Education • History • How we live • Sexual orientation
soundoff (2,229 Responses)
  1. tuffy

    Someday the entire world will be gay and Earth will be a happier place.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Steve

    Government is so oxy-moronic. You can tell the result of any given bill, it will be the opposite of what it is called. For example, the Patriots were the people who revolted against Britain for the very same civil liberty infringements that the "Patriot Act" imposes. Here we have an "Fair Education Act" that imposes fairness by elevating a one group over others.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
  3. WiseOneWithAnEducation

    hahahahahahahahahahahaha you are soo cute.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve-o

      Now now "WiseOne", don't say the word "cute" or you'll be expelled like that little boy from last month. He said his teacher was "cute" and nearly got expelled permanently. That's big trouble in the American School system.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
  4. clearfog

    What about left handed people? Always left out. It is sinister.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Doesn't left mean "sinister"? We learned that in organic chemistry. lol.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • clearfog

        Yes,

        December 10, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      it is a funny point but in a way true. In high school and college I rarely could get a desk that let me support my left arm properly because most/all of them were right-handers. Maybe they should have classes on famous left handed people. I hope they were included in this "fairness act".

      December 10, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jonathan

        Nice try lefty! There are no famous left handed people! Take your liberal agenda elsewhere!

        December 10, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        The school board told me wanted nothing to do with my curriculum suggestion unless I was a gay left-handed person.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • von spoo

      i saw what you did there. 😉

      December 10, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Matt

    Valid law. But how about instead we mandate tougher math and science classes so we aren't dumber than the rest of the modernized world. I think that law would benefit Cali and America a little more.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jonathan

      That would be too sensible. The government doesn't work like that.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • aroomadazda

      Your assumption that "we" are dumber than the rest of the modernized world is erroneous.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Suze

      I agree. It's embarrassing how dumb Americans are now. Not just academically but in pure common sense. I've worked with the public for over twenty years and every time I think I've seen the worst...

      I talk to people in the banking industry all day long and every DAY come across someone who can't subtract 6 from 11 without a calculator to figure out the year they were hired. I once worked in a store that sold art reproductions and lost count of the scores of people who hopefully asked if the Van Gogh 'painting' on the easel near the front door was authentic or not. Even when I tell then that his last painting sold for a hundred million dollars they'd say, "So is it real or not?' - At $350 dollars you tell me. And social status made no difference. The rich were as dopey as the poor, maybe even more so.

      The very fact that a law has to be put into place to force intelligence and acceptance is proof we are in serious trouble.

      Maybe this law, eventually, will finally put and end to idiot school systems that feel they have to replace the word 'gay' with 'bright' or 'grand' in 200 hundred year-old Christmas carols to keep second graders from snickering. Dumber than dumb and terribly sad for the kids.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve-o

        Your Van Gogh comment was priceless and I believe it too.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Another Opinion

      That wouldn't appease the Gay Nazi left who supports the morons who get voted into office in California. They have an agenda, and it is not education, it is indoctrination.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
  6. JP

    Maybe they should concentrate on teaching their illiterate students to read & speak English and maybe even spell before they start worring about this ridiculous BS!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      Most of the fear mongering people posting on here need to go back to school and learn how to spell.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
  7. CN

    wow. the ignorance being posted is truly mind-boggling. i wonder how many of you are posting this nonsense without realizing that without alan turing, who was gay, you wouldn't be able to, as he fathered the modern computer. ah, that might be because your rigid, intolerant, plain ignorant views drove him to commit suicide. after all, it's not important that he helped father the modern computer, or that he helped save the world from fascism (he broke the nazi codes)–what matters is who he sleeps with. it was only with the help of secularists that society was able to demand an apology from the british government for their appalling behavior to this poor old fellow, who should have been knighted for his great service to humanity, more than many of you hosers have ever accomplished. it's interesting that sixty years after people like you drove him to suicide, you keep wanting to practice your bigotry–irrefutable proof that you're primates.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • MonkeyZLuffy

      I would rather be labeled a primate than have future generations forced to learn this brain washing pro-gay nonsense that they have some how snuck into schools.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chucktown

      Actually, we're all primates.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Relictus

        Republicans are some form of flatworm or maybe reptile. It's so hard to tell.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Equis

      Maybe he smoked cigarettes or drank too much also? Should we make sure that is noted about him as well? Yes, we realize that bad habits do not preclude a person from doing great things.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Northerner

      Alan Turing fathered the modern computer? Because he was gay? Because he couldn't father children?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • mb2010a

        What makes you think gay men can't father children???

        December 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • CN

      oh, i know we are all primates, chuck. some of us are better at hiding it than others, though.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • CN

      equis–if he did, so what? many great writers smoked and did drugs. history is about teaching facts–not what you do or don't like.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Equis

        The point these people are trying to make is that being gay is okay, by linking it with accomplishments. My point is that a person se xual choices do not have any thing to do with their accomplishments. We all know that smoking and excessive drinking are not good for a person. We dont encourage those behaviors because they are dangerous. Gay s e x is the same leading to a 20 % A I D S/ H I V inf ec tion rate in those who engage in it It is a behavior that should not be encouraged.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      I can appreciate Alan Turing without knowing he is gay. I really don't care what his orientation was. And I learned about him in computer science so why do we need a class/materials that focus on him from a gay perspective. If I want to read unabridged biography of him then fine.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Funny, nothing in that list of contributions has anything to do with his $exual orientation. It is irrelevant. As irrelevant as his favorite color or preferred hair length. Why not include his shoe size, the color of his eyes, the length of his hair? Why? Because those things don't matter. It's what he did that matters.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
  8. von spoo

    i love my gay friends. i will fight for them to have equal rights all day long. that said, this school mandate thing is stupid. who cares what preference anyone has?? if it comes up because their spouse/partner lent a hand in the discovery, then fine, mention it. but making it a point to teach something that has ZERO relevance to the material is stupid. it's like making sure we teach kids whether or not someone was right or left handed. it should be about the accomplishment, NOT the bedroom details.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Geri

    As a CA public school teacher if I am forced to teach this then I will leave after this school year and teach at a school with freedom of curriculum choice. Or I'll change my profession. We will not have our 2 year old son leave his wonderful preschool and be forced to learn this lgbt agenda, either.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      Good, this country does NOT need teachers like you.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • MrMeem

      I'm relieved to hear this. I hope other teachers with the same close-minded and unrealistic view of the world follow. I'm sure there are some cults somewhere in need of a heavy dose of lies and ignorance.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • dcsf88

      Geri, don't let the door hit you in a*s on the way out!

      December 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      It is usually ppl like you, yes you, that end up with a gay kid...careful on getting too high and mighty.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Another Opinion

      It is the schools job to teach, not to indoctrinate. Parents may have a very different view of LGBT issues, let them teach their own children what they would like. With all that there is to learn, why waste valuable class time with this politically correct nonsense. Parents need to object loud and clear.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Charlie_In_VA

      Good riddance. People with closed minds such as your own don't belong in the academic field to begin with. Go teach seminary school, if you must.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Northerner

    I am left handed. I demand they start teaching about the accomplishments of left handed people. We are people too.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • MrMeem

      If you were forced to overcome oppression and prejudice as a result of lefthandedness, and as a result you actually did something noteworthy, I'd want to know about it and would support it being taught. However, I don't think left-handedness is shunned by society to the same extent as say, being a woman has been, or being black in America, or being LGBT. Maybe I missed a protest march somewhere however.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Northerner

        What about fat people, short people, etc.. Should they get special recognition and educational curriculum because they have been persecuted too?

        December 10, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • MrMeem

        No, it’s not just about persecution. It’s about achieving great things in the face of that persecution, more specifically despite that persecution. That’s a very critical distinction.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ryan

      Do left-handed people typically feel incredible shame about what their friends/family might think? Do they hide it for years? Do they date right-handed people out of extreme pressure to do so? Are they forbidden to marry in most of the world?

      Try to clearly think through an analogy before you draw one.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
  11. whome

    And the continuing of the decline of are more values proceeds at an ever increasing pace.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      LOL, says the person that says more values instead of moral values...somebody needs to go back to school...

      December 10, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jason

        LOL, and "are " instead of "our". Go back to school hillbilly.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Johnjon

      what did you say?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
  12. JP

    Jesus! Doesn't Californicatenia have enough to worry about with this silly crap? Why any rational person would choose to live in that state is beyond me.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
  13. GaLiberal

    What really needs to be found is a cure for stupid asssholes like you. Maybe a law that prevents people like you from breeding or mandatory abortions. I mean stupidity like yours is a threat to the future of the human race.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Bobby

    This is silly. It has nothing to do with teaching the accomplishments of LGBT people - those accomplishments would be taught anyway. All this will add to the lesson plan is:

    "You know the guy who invented [whatever]? By the way, he liked to sleep with dudes."

    December 10, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      You are preoccupied with "sleeping with [people]." Shows you can't recognize that it's about love.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      Most people that fear/hate gays are actually gay themselves, FACT.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bobby

        Jason – I'm very supportive of LGBT people. I just think this particular proposal is ill-conceived. Ok?

        December 10, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Equis

        Actually that is not a fact at all. Making things up doesn't make them real.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Andy

    The lack of intelligent, informed, objective, and educated comments mainly from those who oppose these progressive steps toward inclusion and diversity are a reflection of the past biases and inadequate school that they have had.
    So when they say that these school systems don't need to change their curriculum, it reflects their lack of will and know-how to improve their school systems.
    Clearly, they are not going to push for increased math/science education, b/c they would have done so already.
    They just want to wallow and continue in their own pathetic backward and inferior ways of educating (excuse me, brainwashing) their students.
    And I find it hard to believe someone who says we don't need additional coverage of these topics if they have never been a minority before.
    Of course you would have an objection, b/c history has ALWAYS focused on you (the majority).
    Being a member of two (or three, depending on how you look at it) minority groups, people like me get a unique perspective on what it's like to be an outside in America, being a citizen politically but not necessarily so in the social fabric of life.
    So before you start making accusations about how we don't need to include the accomplishments of minorities and the issues they face, just be aware of how fortunate you were that your ancestors bestowed upon you this "privilege" that you so willingly abuse. Note: Consult a sociology textbook for a phenomena we call "white privilege". It'll explain why you have your viewpoints.
    See it from our vantage point, that minorities need to be discussed, b/c we are already at a disadvantage.
    So we're not being "special"; we are raised up to where the majority is, b/c we started out much lower than you.
    And believe me, you would want help and a little boosting when you are inundated with hateful and bigotrous comments like this.

    And FYI, despite the issues that the California school system is facing, how come they, as well as more progressive parts of the country (NE, Midwest), still produce more students who are the high-achieving students in this country? Clearly, the school systems are doing something right, if these kids form the bulk of the ones going to Ivies, the new Ivies, public Ivies, and are not from the hinterlands of America.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • xjoba

      "California school system...still produce more students who are the high-achieving students in this country"

      Sources?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • chipchap

      I agree completely. Thank you for expressing your point of view and attempting to explain the rationale behind such a law to all of those making comments who refuse to open their minds or hearts to not logic, but to the existence of other human beings.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
  16. leonid7

    Doesn't the fact that you don't know any kinda support the idea of teaching about them?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Jason

    I suppose we should leave 9/11 out of the history books too? How about slavery? Christians make me sick, They are going to love hell.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Rob

    History should teach the EXCEPTIONAL not the "Here is the exceptional, and here are some people that came close, but have a different lifestyle than what is "normal"". The only qualifier for teaching something in class should be "Will this help our children compete?" It's sad when our schools teach something not because it's significant from an academic standpoint, but because its political correctedness run a muck.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Joyce

    Idiot. It's comments like yours that make a case for GLBT education. You must be a liberal, because conservatives are more about tolerance, and have to good sense not to make comments that make them sound completely ignorant.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Fozzyspeak

    If orientation is not a big deal then let them teach about it a little while and see what impact it has. If it truly is no big deal then why are you so opposed to it. Maybe because you know that it is the next step to curtailing everyone's favorite doormat. Your opposition speaks volumes. And all you people who start your statements "I like gays just fine" your not fooling anyone.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lean6

      Your "reasoning" is circular at best. There are many of us who don't even give this the time of day until we're beat about the neck and shoulders with it. The "with or against" argument is utterly ignorant, shallow, tiresome, and alienating. Alienation is the seeming goal just hype the appearance of struggle from a distance...usually I don't argue with such f-o-o-l-s. Intuitively I think there would probably be a great number of historical figures who were LGBT. I really don't give a rat's patooty. This sounds like a college elective Social Studies or Humanities credit.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
  21. JJ

    North Korea would be proud of brain-washing like this. I think the nation needs to send a "Get Well" card to the mentally ill state of California.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Midwestmatt

      Really? Who is getting brainwashed? The achievements of black people were routinely left out of classrooms and textbooks, as were other minorities because the power structure in charge dictated that kids would only learn about white men, not even white women.

      So what? Someone who achieved or invented something was also gay or a lesbian? Who cares? But don't leave them out simply because they were LGBT. That's what the real problem is and this will go a little way to making sure that everyone gets the credit they deserve for positively impacting our society no matter their race, gender, religion or orientation.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Just because they put their pen+s in the wrong place!!!???

    I thought what they did in the privacy of their own bedrooms was their own business...why are we now bringing it into the classrooms??????

    December 10, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • MonkeyZLuffy

      Because California is a hippy state, thats why its bankrupt.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      It's not about a bedroom. It's about who you fall in love with. You must be preoccupied by the bedroom. HA.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
  23. MichaelJC

    Thankfully you are just a troll and are not real – or else we would have problems.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • dtboy

      Man up MichaelJC!

      December 10, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Tyler Durden

    I hate to break this to you, Puritanical Conservative TightA$$es... but history is already full of their accomplishments. Is the point now that we identify them?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Feyheart

    Anything that gives students a well rounded education is fine by me.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
  26. California Girl

    I'm born and raised a Cali girl and love my state. But this is just sad. Even my gay friends think this is crazy. In fact, one said he feels it's like making a designated parking spot in a lot as if being gay is something special. He just wants to be a regular guy without being pointed out for being gay. I agree. Accomplishments are just that.. not because of what you do in bed.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      It's not about a bed. It's about who you fall in love with. You must be preoccupied.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Feyheart

      I think the idea is to include gay activists in the lesson plan about civil rights, not to point and laugh at the LGBT community.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • amelai

      well said Cali girl. I don't have alot of gay friends but a good childhood friend who says the same thing. He is not defined by who he is in love with.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      if he's gay he will never be a regular guy

      December 10, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • boo

      lol I read this as born and raised a CALL girl...

      December 10, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Jason

    It would be nice if Christians would stop pushing their agenda on the rest of us!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Mike

    Also look up Oliver Sipple, he was a gay ex-marine who saved President Ford from being assassinated. Check out how he was treated for his actions.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
  29. sally

    California always thinks they are progressive and leading the country in this or that trend. But the rest of the country isn't following. They are just pointing and laughing.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • silly people

      Are you kidding me. we carry this damn country. without us, the rest of the country would be nothing. a laughing stock to the rest of the world.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lean6

        Yeah...you're silly alright.... "California carries the rest of the country." What ignorance. You should be ashamed of the state of your state given the amount of industry within. California is a worn out w-h-o-r-e for the wealthy's gratification.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
  30. yourmom

    Who cares

    December 10, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • MichaelJC

      Probably the over 1,000 people who have commented. Go back to "your mom", and leave the grown-ups to talk.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Just because they put their pen+s in the wrong place!!!???

    Yes, and add domestic violence and promiscuity to the list..

    It's just generation brainwashing and telling children how to think...that's the agenda.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Mark

    Amen to that!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Jason

    Hate to break it to you, but straight people spread AIDS more than gay people.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      Or HIV actually...

      December 10, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Observer

    RastaLife,

    If you really care about sin, you'd trash the far greater number of Christians committing adultery by remarrying. Just pick and choose the sins you like. It's all hypocrisy. Ignor the Golden Rule.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
  35. RealityChecker7

    No wonder that nutcase state is bankrupt and failing. We need to trade them to Mexico for 2 half eaten tacos.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      Im waiting for California to be seperated from the rest of the U.S. God please send a earthquake and let it float somewhere in the Pacific

      December 10, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
  36. TJ

    This is why California is the land of the fruits and nuts. I know, because I live here. And this is why Democrats are failing in Washington. They are so busy worrying about silly things like gay marriage, that they consistently flunk Economics 101.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Actually, the Republicans are the dumb ones who increase spending and lower taxes. Thanks, Reagan, you phony actor.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Wiser one

        And where was Reagan from?

        December 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
  37. Justin

    I don't have anything wrong with gay or transgender people but I don't see why they are so special that they need a curriculum all about them just for the sake of bringing them up. I mean are we going to have curriculum's for mentioning any other groups soon just for the sake of mentioning them?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fozzyspeak

      If orientation is not a big deal then let them teach about it a little while and see what impact it has. If it truly is no big deal then why are you so opposed to it. Maybe because you know that it is the next step to curtailing everyones favorite doormat. Your opposition speaks volumes. And all you people who start your statements "I like gays just fine" your not fooling anyone.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Shira

      Yes – California law already requires that the curriculum include the contributions of other historically oppressed groups. The FAIR Education Act didn't create a special gay curriculum; it simply added LGBT people and also people with disabilities to a long list of groups who are already included in the curriculum.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Oldwool

        California, without a doubt, contains the most self-absorbed population in America; nowhere else is so large a group of people distracted by triviality. It stands as a fantastic example of an unintended consequence of freedom. That it is the world's leading exporter of entertainment is surely no coincidence.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
  38. lrf

    LGBT is a progressive liberal veichel to politically indoctrinate one's children. As a christain we are constantly attacked and force to apologize our beliefs; Our voices are sequester in the public areana ; our right to raise our children is undermine by public school which has been coopted by the liberals in this country. This curriculum is best left in the college levels where one's critical thinking is better developed and a honest discourse can be appreciated. This however will not to do to the liberals because they would rather capture a child while cognitavely young inorder to brainwash thier thinking... Meanwhile our children educational performance continues to digrass.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Your views are almost as bad as Islamic extremism.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • lrf

        Is that the best you got?

        December 10, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • GEM

        Wise,

        You are spouting many things but nothing constructive. It is only your belief and nothing else.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brendan K Callahan

      @lrf New inventions: Home school and private schools. If you don't want ideas taught to your children, don't educate them on the public dime - when you pay for it, you can teach them whatever you want; when everyone pays for it, they get taught what everyone wants. Religion is never a good excuse for bigotry.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • lrf

        I do pay for it so with my tax dollars...I am simply expressing my dime woth.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Don

        it is not what everyone wants
        just look at all the replies

        December 10, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Atlantan

      Learn to spell "vehicle" if you want to be taken seriously. However, you probably won't be taken seriously even then.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • lrf

        Got your attention...thank you for pointing out my grammer.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joyce

        I think your digrassing form the convarsation.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      There are no more public schools only indocrination camps. Move to the South we are the last holdup against liberals and their demonic ideology

      December 10, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      It's amusing to see a Christian talking about brainwashing.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • lrf

        Pete,
        I criticize the curriculum and because of it in a relatively short period of time I have been label a bigot, a terrorist, close minded, and yes my faith has been attacked. I humbly ask you read my post again and tell me where I am wrong.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • IQ 153

      Irf, you said it well. Don't let the freaks beat you down.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lrf

        Thank you.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
  39. nik green

    With Liberty and Justice for....... what is it about the word "ALL" that so many people fail to comprehend?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nick

      what does that have to do with this article?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
  40. MrMeem

    It's so sad to see so many people using hand-picked religious doctrine to hide their fear. It's even more sad to see the exact same arguments used to prevent blacks and whites from marrying not long ago ("It's not natural!! I don't want my kids exposed to that!!"). Have we as a society learned nothing? I'm hopeful that it's just a small, ignorant minority that wishes to keep their children small and ignorant as well. I believe the majority of Americans do not wish to live with fear, intolerance and outright denial of reality.

    Our children should be educated in such a way that they have a complete view of the world in which they live. Whether this happens at home, in a public school, or being raised by wolves is entirely up to the family. But please, please, don't lie to your children and make them as fearful as you. Please strive for your children to be wiser, more tolerant, and with higher standards for humanity than you.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Lesson # 1: What you do is what matters in this world. What you are by virtue of genetic happenstance does not make you good, bad, relevant, or significant.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • MrMeem

        You're absolutely right, Kevin. What I think you're missing, however, is that an oppressed minority (whether women, black, LGBT, native American, etc) must most often achieve greatness by overcoming that oppression. That amazing accomplishment, therefore, is a critical part of the story.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        Groups of people, no matter how you decide to draw the boundaries, are not a collective conscience. I do not feel the pain of someone moreso because their skin color is closer to mine or because they prefer the same sort of $ex partners.

        I believe that when you make the significance of an individual tied to traits he or she has no control over you completely undermine the significance of the contributions that person made in the first place not to mention making those who share similar (uncontrollable traits) think that they're somehow special or should be proud just because there's something about them that's similar. I'm not proud to have blue eyes. I'm not proud to have size 12 US feet. They are just things over which I have no control. I am proud to have made it through my academic studies and a number of other things over which I have the choice to succeed or fail and could have found any number of excuses to do the latter.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        If students need to be made to feel good about themselves then have a class on 'feeling good about yourself.' Hire some counselors. Whatever. Don't ba$tardize another discipline for the purpose. It's almost as absurd as the NASA mandate to encourage Muslims to feel good about their contributions to science and space. Are Muslims so insecure that they don't already know this? I doubt it. Are LGBT so insecure that they can't see for themselves who they are and what they want? I doubt it. Personally, I would be horribly offended if some social program were launched to try and make me feel good about myself under the presumption that I wasn't already acutely aware of who I was and what my potential is. It's an insult.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      it's sad to see when the goverment tries to force a abomination down our throats trying to make recognize a pig as a duck

      December 10, 2011 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
  41. Jason

    Casting judgement on others is a sin.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Greg M

    Private schools are going to see a Huge increase in students now. Ours are on a waiting list to get into three different schools due to this very law. Parents are responsible for what their kids are taught. Don't take this sitting down, folks.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • TexasNative

      So we can expect ignorance from your kids as well then huh?....good to know...

      December 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      Yes they will and my concern are black children who cant afford private schools have to listen to this caca.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • mabear87

      You are sad. Sending your children to a private school to be illiterate as to how to deal with people. Do not waste your money. The gay people I have met are generally intellectually superior to those who have gone to privae schools. And based upon the recent college sports situations, I would think twice about sending a child to a private school where they might be faced with a difficult situation.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • Another Opinion

        Ever notice that the very people who insist on this crap in our schools in the name of tolerance and diversity, and some of the most intolerant and least diverse in their thoughts?

        December 10, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
  43. jt_flyer

    Very fashionable. Any room for science and math?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • nate

      well said!

      December 10, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Jason

    They do, we learn about the Nazis don't we?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brendan K Callahan

      Best non-Godwin'd answer 🙂

      December 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Billie

    Leonardo Da Vinci
    Oscar Wilde
    Eleanor Roosevelt
    Barney Frank
    Just to name a few neighbors – seriously, get a grip on reality!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
  46. Raka

    Expect the unemployment rate to rise in Cali.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      What does that have to do with anything about letting kids know that it is okay to be gay and that there have been many gay people throughout history?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
  47. WiseOneWithAnEducation

    You have missed the entire message of the bible. You are so unintelligent and hopeless.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Billie

    Leonardo Da Vinci
    Oscar Wilde
    Eleanor Roosevelt
    Barney Frank
    Just a few next door neighbors – seriously, get a grip on reality!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
  49. WiseOneWithAnEducation

    hahAHAHA Shawan you are unintelligent, too. Just because I can instantly prove myself right does not mean that I'm gay. hahahahaha

    December 10, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Nickolai Saint

    This seems like an unreasonable bureaucratic constraint on a teacher's ability to educate. I wouldn't have as much of a problem if California instead mandated the creation of a Civil Rights class, but the article implies that the law's requirements are to be fully integrated in the school's curriculum. As a professional, an English teacher should have the flexibility to judge a literature or writing on its own merits, and then decide if it fits in with the overall theme of the class. It is very bad policy for bureaucrats who do not have education backgrounds to micromanage a teacher's to curriculum in this manner.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Shira

      The law already requires that other historically oppressed groups be included in the curriculum. This didn't carve out a special curriculum for LGBT people – it simply added them to the list.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        How about adding animals who have contributed to the history of the US like Flipper, Lasie, Mr.Ed, Rin Tin Tin, Petey the dog from the Little Rascals, and other animal celebrities. No other race has contributed mor than African=Americans 400 years of free labor tell me what other race has contributed more. In fact, if it were not for black people there would be no jazz, rock n roll, gospel, blues, hip-hop, football, Motown, basketball, and track. So stop fu*king complaining

        December 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Wow

    Great, but what did being Gay have to do with his accomplishments, and why do the children need to know he was Gay? isn't knowing that he as a person did a great thing, what does being gay and s///king other men have to do with anything?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
  52. leonid7

    "with liberty and justice for ALL"

    December 10, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Joyce

    But it's their accomplishments that mattered, not whether they were gay or not.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
  54. gretchen

    Who cares???????? Who cares, or needs to know that anyone was or wasn't "gay?" Many people who have made contributions were not "straight" but we didn't cram that fact down the throats of our kids!! Are you saying that every time someone who is NOT or was NOT gay, is part of a teaching plan, should their straightness also take up precious class time? Should teachers have to say, "Oh, and so and so was NOT gay?? You will be tested on this!" to make it all equal ?? This is the most stupid development to hit the classroom in ages, and it is going to make things worse academically. Even more class time wasted on poorly written lesson plans, and even more poorly trained kids to seek jobs they cannot do. Good job, California! Another homerun of stupidity!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Trev

    Oh there haven't really been that many important lgbt people, right? i mean who cares about gilgamesh, alexander the great, almost every roman emperor, and plenty of kings.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Their $exual orientation isn't what made their contributions important. The agenda of this teaching plan suggests that the purpose is to seek out individuals to include _because_ of their $exual preferences, which is absurd.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jason

        How dare they say Martin Luther King Jr. was black!!

        December 10, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        Are you suggesting that MLK's contributions were because he was black? If the outcome had been exactly the same with a major figurehead who had been white would the contribution have been any less significant? (obviously his colour and religious influence played a roll in his ascension, but this is for the sake of argument)

        December 10, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jason

        LOL, really??? You are so naive, Steve.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jason

        Err, Kevin...

        December 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        And you missed the point of the post, presumably because you were too anxious to lob a personal insult. The point is to discuss and analyze the impact of the action or contribution to the direction of events within whatever boundaries, be it in this country or in the world. Making it about the details of the individual person who contributed is an irrelevant exercise. By making MLK's contribution to society an issue of his personal color (or any other personal features) does a disservice to the contribution itself. As I said parenthetically (which you apparently decided to ignore) it obviously influenced him AND the people around him, including his religious qualities. The main point is what's more important – his contribution or his color? Read before commenting or making some silly one-off comment about naivete.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • SeanC

        It is not about searching out people because they were gay, it is about not ignoring the fact that they were gay.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      what tha FFFFFF are you talking about, you cant make gay normal no matter how hard you try. Read your bible.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
  56. shawan

    Get back to the closet please.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
  57. shawan

    You are angry and disrespectful, and it that is what gay is all about, I certainly do not want your kind around my kids

    December 10, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Tom

    Look it's Simple: You snip your PENI5 and you will get Bullied/Teased/Ridiculed no matter what Tolerance/Education/Political Correct Programs the Government shoves down our throats. Lesbian/Bi/Gay should be accepted by society as need to kick the Transgenders out of the Group.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • STFU

      Why?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bryan

      Accepted by society, not forced upon by government. It is up to society to accept them. If they do, they do. If they don't, they don't.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jason

        I love how Christians are all going to burn in h3ll.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • B WHite

        Jason, and I love the certainty with which you imply that your superior intellect will save you from whatever comes after this life. If there's Nothing, you're home free. If there's Something which politely asks for an accounting of the sum total of your beliefs and actions, then if I were in your seat, I'd go with Pascal's Wager and double-down quick.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
  59. leonid7

    Acknowledging is not promoting. Would it not be ridiculous to fail to mention the religious beliefs of the Puritans?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nick

      if it is just acknowledging that's fine. but why can't a teacher choose to do that? Why make it mandatory part of the classroom unless there is some level of effort to make sure students are sympathetic to certain philosophies?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • leonid7

        I believe that's why schools have approved curricula, so a teacher can't pick and choose at their leisure. Again, what if a teacher decided to simply gloss over any mention of religion in history class? There are many gay individuals, like Alexander the Great or Oscar Wilde, for whom their orientation was very important in their life narrative.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve-o

      Acknowledging is not promoting, but mandating it promoting. When teaching a subject becomes mandated, then it leaves no choice, which is wrong. This is forcing ideas onto the whole of the population. This should not be illegal. I remember a man by the name of Adolf Hitler doing such a thing to the German population in the 30s. The comparison is clear and simple.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • leonid7

        Large sections of American history already are mandated. The comparison is not clear, as it is quite off the mark. Teachers don't get to just pick whatever they want to teach.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • leonid7

        and BTW, Hitler was also about restricting what was taught, and would never allowed gays to be acknowledged.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve-o

        You're right leonid, gays were wronged, but, it is the premise of the NAZI era in teaching new ideals that were incorrect but reflective of what California is currently doing. Making law to teach language, math, and science is good. But to mandate law teaching a "lifestyle" which is completely subjective to the whim of a populace is reflective of NAZI Germany. What they did is to force a "way of thinking". This is always wrong. California is doing the same thing. They're forcing a way of thinking thru law. Count my words; teachers will either teach this or face firing or jail time in the future. The NAZIs did the same thing to their own populace.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • B WHite

        Leonid, Hitler took it a step further and murdered them. Do you remember any of their names?

        December 10, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • SeanC

        Just like mandating the accomplishments of African-Americans is "promoting"? The only time something has to be mandated is when it is not happening in the first place.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve-o

      In addition leonid, the NAZI propaganda machine began creating books and literature to mold the general populace and teach subjects in the school system to indoctrinate their school children into a subversive mindset. This new thinking promoted a "way of thinking" was also law after a time. California is doing the same thing by mandating and creating law that LGBT be mandated. This new teaching requires school children to be taught a new way of thinking. Why? To change their thinking into what the new propaganda machine wants them to believe.

      Want proof? Tell any kid to show any discontent in class? See what happens. They'll get expelled. Have any kid kiss another girl? They'll get expelled. Have any kid hold hands with girl and see what happened. They'll get expelled. But if boys do this with other boys, they'll be protected. If girls hold hands, this is "cute" and will be protected.

      You may laugh at my comparisons with NAZI Germany, but it's closer than you think. When ideals become law, you have to follow such ideals or face jail. Ask any teacher to not teach LGBT and see what happens? They'll get fire (this time). But sooner or later, the California gov't will impose jail time.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • CN

        steve-o–you dare mention nazi germany? without alan turing, who was gay, there is a fair chance that we would be living under fascism. grow up.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • leonid7

        You have a vivid imagination. BTW, teaching about someone who was gay is dissemination of fact, not a how-to manual.
        Your post is replete with signs of your prejudice.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • leonid7

        And I went to CA schools: they don't suspend anybody for kissing or holding hands.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve-o

        @CN, Turing was an English citizen. I was talking about the NAZI government imposing "lifestyle" indoctrinated teachings on their own populace. Your post is complete idiocy. LOL.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve-o

        leonid, pay attention to the news. It's happening if not weekly, then monthly. Little boys and girls can hardly show any social interaction without the principle and teachers admonishing these kids. This is done to "change" their view on normal thinking. By doing this at a young age, it re-wires these kids into thinking a new way. What is this new way? The liberal way of thinking that the LGBT way of life is normal. These same school teachers are also having & e x with school children at the age of 12. Recently there was a school boy at the age of 11 in the news. They're getting younger. I believe we'll see even younger school age kids getting getting molested in 2012. The public school system is getting more and more brazen and will stop at nothing per its agenda and will use the law to back it up. Once the agenda is backed by law, you have no choice such as with California. Again look back to NAZI Germany. Same thinking just different values.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      you know in Islam they kill gays talk about that, you cant go to the middleeast they execute gays those loving muslims.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
  60. C

    I think they should include the accomplishments of unmarried/divorced people in their curriculum. Instead of waiting until minorities marry to justify including their societal contributions in public indoctrination.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
  61. MFlo

    God WILL reveal His glory in this! And bring on the anti-believer comments if you must. In man's weakness, He IS strong!!!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • MichaelJC

      ....And YOU are hateful and ignorant.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      Right On!!!

      December 10, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
  62. larry5

    When I read this story I realized that today I woke up on the other side of the mirror. If all this is true and it appears to be a serious article then I must have slipped to the other side.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Nick

    consequence of a a free society, bro

    December 10, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Jay

    Look up Alan Turing.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      Turing accomplished killing himself with cyanide, great.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • James

      Jay, the point is: Why do we need to know about Alan T.'s orientation?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
  65. David

    Do a little a research before you post.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
  66. rei

    Your iPad will soon teach you all what you need to know about life.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
  67. Logos81

    He was not just a man he is God in flesh, the messia.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:09 pm | Report abuse |
  68. Kevin

    What about agnostics and all those other non-religious types who think that teaching irrelevant aspects of one's personal life in a history class is ridiculous?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mikemd

      Then they shouldn't have any reason not to teach acceptance to kids.At least the religious have the whole bible thing to hate us....Because God says to hate those not like you!!

      December 10, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Then teach acceptance in 'acceptance class.'

      December 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
  69. David

    I don't believe in God. I say that up front to avoid the "Just another Religious Fanatic Smackdown" being used by so many on this site. It's the imposition of laws like this that have resulted in the state of California needing more government subsidies per capita than any other state in the country. Meanwhile it leads the nation in gang violence, drug use, broken homes, and prison occupancy. Not to mention it’s the number one recipient of Recovery Act funding in the US. Make no mistake about it, the entire nation is paying for California’s liberal self-indulgence.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • STFU

      God created them and you are the one who should be ashamed for not loving your fellow man unconditionally. God tested you and you failed.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • DarkMarcsun

      Federal Taxes Paid to Washington by Californians:
      $289,627,000,000

      Federal Spending Received:
      $242,023,000,000

      Where should we send the bill for the other $57 Billion?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • DarkMarcsun

        $47B rather.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      heathen without direction

      December 10, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
  70. AM

    The national A.P. College Board curriculum and textbooks have "long since" incorporated issues of lesbian and gay Americans into their approved courses. As part of different historical rights movements and the perspectives of different individuals from various periods in history (generally the 20th century). It's really no big deal and just contributes to the concept that America always has been, and always will be, a very diverse and interesting nation which supports civil and human rights.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
  71. Kevin

    I can't believe that they didn't say anything about Adam Riess's $exual orientation & preferences today when they announced that he had won the Nobel Prize in Physics. What could be more important than what he does in his bedroom??? Oh yeah, his actual contribution to Physics. Silly me.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • gretchen

      Right on, man

      December 10, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • shawan

      Well articulated. I could not agree more with you. This issue is just ridictulous

      December 10, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • ArizonaYankee

      I pretty much agree, but my problem is why are we constantly celebrating this way of life ? It doesn't matter. STOP already with this libtard LBGT bull schitt....

      December 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Let people live their lives the way they see fit and in a way that brings them happiness (or they think will bring them happiness). "It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." But don't destroy a perfectly good discipline by trying to turn it into some feel-good therapy session. If students need attention along those lines then provide it if the funding allows. Otherwise let the significance of the contributions of history determine what is in a history class. If multiple analyses are considered important for the sake of perspective (including analyses by LGBT) then that's acceptable, assuming the situation warrants it. But seeking out people to include simply because of what they did in their personal time is ridiculous.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
  72. toad

    this topic is just gay!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
  73. EHamilton

    Sure makes me glad I have the option of homeschooling. Last century it was the Chinese and Russians who were indoctrinating their students into fanatical ideology, looks like this century we'll see a role reversal.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Are you suggesting that if he weren't gay he wouldn't have broken the code? Maybe if he hadn't eaten the same type of sandwich at least twice a week he wouldn't have broken the code. Here's a crazy idea ... his contribution was breaking the code. His $exual orientation was irrelevant.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • gretchen

      Amen- keep up the good work

      December 10, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve-o

      Do not forget the NAZI's too. How soon we all forget.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
  74. Patricia

    My Granddaughter is reaching school age this year. We live in San Francisco. Because I have custody of my Granddaughter and I do not believe that she should be taught this and many other Social Engineering courses of study in her schooling – she will not be attending school in California. She is starting Catholic School in Virginia, where the Socialist of California cannot reach her.

    I thought I was going to have a quiet retirement however life intervened with the deaths of my son-and-law and daughter, therefore I took on my responsibility of raising my loved one – and as her parent I AND ONLY I will determine what she will be taught – not the LGBT Community and certainly NOT the state of California!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • shawan

      You are making the right decison. I let my kids go to a "liberal" high school, and mind you we are liberal, but we went through hell with the gay activist in school trying to "recruit" our good looking kids. Thanks God they graduated from College, because I would be so angry if we had to deal with this issue as well.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • bwc2221

      Sorry to hear about the death of your daughter and son-in=law, but I think you are doing the right thing. My children both attended Catholic high schools. My daughter is a freshman at a state university and told me. "Everything they taught in my freshman math class I learned last year at Bishop Foley."

      December 10, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wayne

      Patricia, my condolences for the untimely loss of your daughter and son-in-law. Kudos to you for raising your granddaughter to the moral code you believe to be important. The "LGBT community" preaches "tolerance", but no sooner you mention prayer in schools, or religion in general, they (the Liberal Leftists) fly off the handle... so much for "tolerance". These people have no respect for any agenda but their own, and I believe that to be true. This material is something that will forever remain controversial, it has nothing to do with tolerance, diversity or acceptance. If that were the case, these same people who spit on religion would be equally as interested in championing religion.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve-o

        @Wayne: "These people have no respect for any agenda but their own, and I believe that to be true. This material is something that will forever remain controversial, it has nothing to do with tolerance, diversity or acceptance. If that were the case, these same people who spit on religion would be equally as interested in championing religion".

        Just like NAZI Germany. As long as citizens they believed in the propaganda-forced thinking being thrown at them, , they remained "free". But once anyone opposed this thinking, it was soon jail time.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Wayne

        @Steve; A day without a Liberal referencing "Nazi Germany" is like a day without head lice. Come on, man... really? What is there to teach about LGBT's in history? Stonewall? The state has NO business dictating to a parent this sort of curriculum. See, its always this way with people like the Liberals... They have to have it their way, or no way at all. The more you push controversial legislation like this, the more unpopular you will become, costing elections. I cannot wait for the GOP to take back the helm next year, repeal all of this nonsense legislation. This is what happens when you give the Liberals any sort of control.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patricia

        Thank you all for the condolences.

        December 10, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • James

      Do you not realize how ridiculous you sound? You live in San Francisco.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Wayne

        @James; Not ridiculous at all. There are still those among us who will not sacrifice our beliefs and morals. Sorry, you can't pass a law to force this on people. I'll tell you what IS ridiculous... Ridiculous it is talking to kindergartners about two men/two women being in a relationship. Some people have no shame whatsoever. Incredible. This is for a PARENT to decide – NOT the state. Period, end of story.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ryan

        @Wayne – Parents will get over, just as they did when evolution started being taught in schools. There's always a kneejerk reaction to change. That's what this is. The fact of the matter is that various minority groups face extreme challenges and social injustices, and those should be discussed in school lest we take them for granted.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Wayne

        @Ryan; No, parents will "not get over it", nor should they have to. By your view, you should "get over" legislation being passed to require children to pray in school, taught "the golden rule", etc. For the record, I am gay. I just happen to respect the viewpoints of other people. I have lost so much respect for the Liberal Left. "Everything under the 'tolerance' clause"... It's pathetic. People have a RIGHT to have and hold onto personal beliefs.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patricia

        Yes, we live in San Francisco, is there a problem with that?

        And no I do not want my "agenda" as if I have one forced on you. It is that I don't want the agenda of others forced on me and mine. And I get damned sick and tired of the Liberals crying – Nazi, Nazi if we disagree with them. I grew up in Germany Hamburg and West Berlin if you want to be specific, I knew some of those Nazis in my younger days! And I can tell you that those folks put the LGBT crowd in the camps just as they did others.

        As for Priests bugger my Granddaughter – what a bunch of judgmental folks you are – just because a few priest are perverts not all are. Same could be said about football coaches.

        I don't care how you educate your children, however I do care how my granddaughter is and she will not be educated in California – because I as her parent believe that teaching the LGBT agenda is wrong for her!

        December 10, 2011 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gavin Ford

      Seriously, Patricia, you would rather send to a brainwashing religious school where your child is likely to get buggered by a priest than have her learn about what people in a wrongfully maligned minority group contribute to society? I cannot believe in the 21st century that people still would rather believe in myths.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Another Opinion

        Hmmm, what to do, what to do. Send them where as you say 'they may get buggered by a priest' or to a school where they will teach them how wonderful men who bugger other men are. Forcing this down the throats of innocent children is WRONG. Parents need to put a stop to this.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      fight on i agree 100%

      December 10, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mel T

      @Patricia; good job. Ask any Phsycologist when the best age for children to be taught? It's between 5 and 8 years old (I think). If you get them indoctrinated at this age, they're yours forever. Why do you think NAZI Germany had the Social Youth?
      I picked this up from a web page. Sounds very much like what California would do to its teachers:

      Education played a very important part in Nazi Germany in trying to cultivate a loyal following for Hitler and the Nazis. The Nazis were aware that education would create loyal Nazis by the time they reached adulthood. The Hitler Youth had been created for post-school activities and schools were to play a critical part in developing a loyal following for Hitler – indoctrination and the use of propaganda were to be a common practice in Nazi schools and the education system.

      Enforcing a Nazi curriculum on schools depended on the teachers delivering it. All teachers had to be vetted by local Nazi officials.

      Any teacher considered disloyal was sacked.

      Many attended classes during school holidays in which the Nazi curriculum was spelled out and 97% of all teachers joined the Nazi Teachers' Association.

      All teachers had to be careful about what they said as children were encouraged to inform the authorities if a teacher said something that did not fit in with the Nazi's curriculum for schools.

      Subjects underwent a major change in schools. Some of the most affected were History and Biology.

      History was based on the glory of Germany – a nationalistic approach was compulsory. The German defeat in 1918 was explained as the work of Jewish and Marxist spies who had weakened the system from within; the Treaty of Versailles was the work of nations jealous of Germany's might and power; the hyperinflation of 1923 was the work of Jewish saboteurs; the national resurgence which started under the leadership of Hitler etc.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
  75. WrightOn

    This is an agenda against opposing values. Why does anyone, including the liberal left, think that they have the right to impose their morality upon someone else's children? Folks, teaching values and morality starts in the home and it is the PARENTS right and obligation to raise their children. Parents own this privilege, not the state! The state should be teaching the facts of reading, math, and science so our citizenry can vote intelligently. That's it! WHO CARES what the orientation is of historical figures? It shouldn't matter. Trouble starts once someone else force feeds their values onto one's own children. It is not the job of the state to make decisions on social values. The state is out of control when they embark on efforts to make one segment of society "feel good" about themselves. Everyone has the right not to have someone else's values imposed on them or their family. I'll raise my own children, thank you.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      they dont teach anymore they train for community activist

      December 10, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
  76. toad

    my intolerence?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
  77. RastaLife

    SODDOM AND GOMORRAH......................

    December 10, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      RastaLife,

      I'll bet you don't know what the Bible says was the "sin of Sodom and her daughters" without looking it up. Since you likely don't know, I'll give a clue. It had NOTHING to do with gays.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        the bible doesnt say anything about child molestation either would that be OK?

        December 10, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • gretchen

      you are right, Rastalife

      December 10, 2011 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
  78. Rich

    How many have been given an opportunity?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
  79. Jason

    wow...

    December 10, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      sickness....pure sickness.....

      December 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
  80. Chip C

    Yawn!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Frank

    Thank goodness you were spared the detrimental effects of education!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
  82. Rich

    Another closeted gay.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
  83. Yeah-how-awful

    It's wrong to treat people different than you with respect, huh? Where did you learn your morals?

    December 10, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Chip C

    Then if you cannot accept all Americans without calling a a minority evil, maybe you need to go back to where you came from. I personally don't like this law either, but to call a group of Americans evil is wrong!

    December 10, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
  85. Angie

    I wonder if they will also stop claiming Columbus is some great hero. Might as well reform everything to include at least a shred of truth.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • andy

      columbus is no great hero but the events that kicked off as a result of his exploration changed the world. no denying that.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
  86. jaybee

    you, apparently, are confuse enough

    December 10, 2011 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Yeah-how-awful

    So you think that an innocent child who growing up and attending at school who realizes that he's attracted to boys and not to girls should be told that he's worthless and that his parents should disown him, society should shun him, and he will burn in hell if he doesn't magically change who he is? Because THAT sounds awful to me. Or maybe you think that the other innocent children should turn into bigots like yourself. That would be awful too.

    December 10, 2011 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
  88. WiseOneWithAnEducation

    It's not a lifestyle. This is something that people are born with and if it weren't for gay people, we never would have cracked Hitler's enigma code. That code was broken by a gay mathematician. Gay people are often geniuses, such as Tchaikovsky, Shakespeare, and of course, the enigma codebreaker of WWII. Get a life and shut up.

    December 10, 2011 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
  89. Mia

    Oh yes, God forbid we teach students about a lifestyle we don't all adapt! We'd better eliminate the Civil War from the curriculum as well - don't want to go shoving slavery down the throats of innocent, straight children.

    December 10, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
  90. rick

    send the kids to parochial schools, then other lifestyle can be shoved down the innocent kiddie's throats

    December 10, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
  91. todd

    oh yeah doctors and engineers have no future. better to be an unlicensed plumber

    December 10, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nick

      women's studies, philosophy etc majors don't have a future. doctors/eng make up a small fraction of people in college. yes, an plumbing job is much brighter for a lot of people

      December 10, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
  92. todd

    instead they will only have your "view" forced on them. so in effect before they had a choice between you and them, now they dont

    December 10, 2011 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kenneth

      All part of the gay agenda to have schools teach gay education in the name of "equality" What a bunch of sick-minded people. Gays are a cancer on society.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • shawan

      She happens to be the parent you know. Gays would be more than happy that children do not have "concerned" parents; it will be far easier ot get on the kids pants, don't you think?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marina Scott (school nurse)

      Awesome statement Todd!! The highest result of Education is Tolerance. "Helen Keller"

      December 10, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • RedSox2007

      So Todd your saying the government should have more of a say in what children learn than their parents?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patricia

      When you have custody of our children you can determine what they will be taught – until then "Concerned Parent" has every right to determine what her children will be taught – as do I – and I am sending my Grandaughter to Catholic school where – those of the LGBT Community and the state of California – who think they have the right to determine what other's children are taught cannot reach her!

      December 10, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
  93. just asking

    Does J. Edgar Hoover count?

    December 10, 2011 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
  94. jenn

    GaG!

    December 10, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
  95. todd

    i know what conservatives excelled at in school: dramatic theater

    December 10, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rich

      Morals like those of David Vitter, Newt Gingrich, John Atchison, Brian Doyle, etc., etc. Serial adulterers, pedophiles, and johns? Those morals, Mike? Nice work.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
  96. Ricker

    Obviously because some parents aren't doing their jobs of teaching kids what's right and what's wrong.
    If we want to have a functioning society with less problems, the government has to be the mediator sometimes. Same with civil rights not too long ago. Little kids getting taught how evil black men were by their parents, and we all know that was morally wrong, and thus the government came to set things straight for the good of the country and our morals.
    How can we claim to live in a Christian society of love, trust and harmony if you're condemning people of different lifestyles and orientation? I mean I'm straight but I don't think we should judge those based on who they fell in love with. Its not like gay is a new movement threatening our children's morals, nonhetero orientation's been around since the dawn of time.

    December 10, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
  97. Eric

    I suspect that tBagr is merely being sarcastic.

    December 10, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • tBAGr

      Someone finally got it. Thanks Eric.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
  98. Terry G

    No question about it.

    December 10, 2011 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
  99. jmh

    Caps key is on your left, and easy with the punctuation keys. A bunch of exclamation points in a row doesn't make you any less inarticulate... We can see that you're angry, which is why we're laughing at you and not with you.

    December 10, 2011 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
  100. Tex Gritter

    You hit the nail on the head, Sir! Very astute observation.

    December 10, 2011 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
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