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As California mandate looms, some LGBT curriculum already in place
California schools must meet a January deadline to include LGBT history in their curricula.
December 10th, 2011
06:00 AM ET

As California mandate looms, some LGBT curriculum already in place

By Debra Goldschmidt, CNN In America

(CNN) - In 10th grade English at Los Angeles’ Grover Cleveland High School, Danielle Taklender's students read the book "Luna" by Julie Anne Peters.  It's a story about a transgender teen.

Taklender has been teaching the book for seven years without any fanfare or push back. It’s getting noticed now as her school district takes the lead in developing a plan to comply with the first state law mandating lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender history and social science curricula. The California law, which takes effect in January, stops short of dictating how schools are to comply and leaves that up to the districts and schools themselves to figure out.

Taklender uses "Luna" to expose students to new vocabulary and different ways of thinking about pronouns. The students discuss gender identity versus sexual orientation, as well as gender roles in literature.  Taklender said she teaches this book the same way she teaches every other book.

She says the only negative feedback she has run into was a parent who once requested an alternate assignment after the class finished reading the book.

“No students ever say they changed their sexual orientation because of it,” Taklender said.

The new law, called the California Fair Education Act, also requires schools teach about the contributions of Native Americans, and people with disabilities. It also bans instructional materials that adversely reflect on a person due to their sexual orientation. The requirements are actually an expansion to the education code already in existence, which requires lesson plans to include various ethnic groups.

But it is not without controversy. Some opponents have religious objections, others say it’s part of sex education and belongs at home not in schools.  Others simply don’t want this taught to their children.

So far, opposition efforts to repeal the law, which passed last summer, have failed. There are currently at least five initiative measures awaiting review by the attorney general that could make their way on the ballot for next year's election, but it’s too late to stop the law that takes effect next month. If any of the ballot measures pass, they will undo the curriculum that is already in place.

Although individual teachers, like Taklender, have innovated LGBT studies, there aren’t any system-wide models for districts to duplicate, said Jill Marcellus, a spokeswoman for the Gay-Straight Alliance Network.

The Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network’s 2009 National School Climate Survey found that about 13% of students were taught in a positive way about lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender people in any of their classes.

Scott Hirschfeld, director of curriculum at the Anti-Defamation League, said kids can go from kindergarten through 12th grade without ever learning about an LGBT person.

“They are really getting an incomplete history,” he said. “The reality is that in most schools this is not a standard part of curriculum.”

In California, many schools have taken a wait-and-see approach, but not the Los Angeles Unified School District. In September, they set a 60-day deadline to develop a new curriculum. This was added to a resolution for affirmation of the district's anti-bullying measures to protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

The change isn’t much different than in 2004, when the districts had to update health materials to address gender and sexuality, said Judy Chiasson, program coordinator for Los Angeles Unified School District’s Office of Human Relations, Diversity and Equity. At the time, the district had to create its own material, she said, because there wasn't anything similar out there.

The district has reviewed what is already working in some of its classrooms.  Educators have also looked at materials by groups including the Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, University of California Los Angeles and University of Southern California. Those materials are the basis of a draft implementation plan for Los Angeles schools that is currently under review by the district Superintendent, a spokeswoman said.

In the meantime, at Downtown Magnets High School in Los Angeles, Daniel Jocz's eleventh grade history students continue to discuss lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues. The subject has been part of Jocz's lesson plans since he started teaching seven years ago. Some days, that means a discussion about language: the negative use of the word 'gay' or using 'guys' to describe women.  His students will often compare and contrast the use of  these words with racial slurs.

The students have also looked at case studies that compare the 1955 murder of 14-year-old African-American Emmett Till in Mississippi with the 1998 murder of gay Wyoming college student, Matthew Shepard.

"There are parallels between the gay situation and the civil rights movement,” Jocz said. "If you don't include it as part of the narrative, you are ignoring it. You have to acknowledge it.”

Every generation has altered the way history is taught in schools, New York University history and education Professor Jonathan Zimmerman said. In the 1920s, it was the Irish, in the 1950s and 1960s, it was African-Americans and in the 1970s, it was Latinos.

“There was a time when history books only had white guys,” Zimmerman said. “Over time, successive groups fought to have their story become part of the main story.”

Adding lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender studies is no different, he said. But schools must be careful not to just celebrate the group - they need to address tough questions and do some hard thinking. For example, he said, sending soldiers to fight for freedom for others while denying gay freedom in the military.

“We need to think about why we’re including them and what the purpose of these stories is in the first place,” Zimmerman said.

Which is why schools are looking at Taklender’s English class and Jocz’s history class.  They are still trying to learn how this generation’s history will be taught.

Taklender and Jocz say they are just doing their jobs.

"Even though I knew it was revolutionary,” Taklender said, “I didn't think it was a big deal."


Filed under: Community • Education • History • How we live • Sexual orientation
soundoff (2,229 Responses)
  1. andy

    You demonstrated ignorance is why this law is needed. Don't like it? Move out of CA.

    December 10, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
  2. andy

    One of California's leading civil rights heros is Harvey Milk. How do you talk about Harvey Milk without mentioning he was gay?

    Gay mathematician Alan Turing was credited by Churchill as winning the war in Europe by breaking the german's Enigma code and ushering a new era of "computers", don't know if you've heard of those. He is the father of computer science. Yet, he committed suicide after his career was destroyed by bigots, because he was gay. How do you discuss that without mentioning he was gay?

    You would know these things if you studied history. The fact that you don't is why this law is necessary.

    I live in CA. Don't like it? Don't live here.

    December 10, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michelle

      There were and are a lot of people who commit suicide who are not gay. No one teaches you about them now do they?

      December 10, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • mikejones

      shall we rewrite all of history to satisfy less than 1% of the gender-benders in this country? What was the gender preference of Einstein, Edison, Whitney, Lincoln, etc, and how does this preference relate to their accomplishments?

      December 10, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peggy

      Should they also mention if they ate pasta, wore their wives underwear every other Friday, sang christmas songs in July or were avid nose pickers in public. This has NOTHING to do with their accomplishments yet is part of who they are to so why not throw all that out there to learn also? Because it's ABSURD to teach that in the classroom to our children. They are not there to be forced to learn acceptence of every cause or issue of everyone who thinks they are right. If thats the case I think every child should be given a wand, a pet owl, and a broom to take to school... hey who are you to judge that Herbology wont help mold the mind of a future doctor or pot farmer for medical purposes... of course. Bottom line is, its the persons historical impact, achievements, accomplishments that should be taught in grade schools, the more deeper education should be taught at college levels when that child is who they are and wish to learn it.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
  3. J-Pap

    Explain gay animals.

    When everyone believes in a book that has been re written a zillion times, the end is near.

    December 10, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
  4. maifangzi

    American students learn nothing of real value

    I will make certain my children do not elect these classes.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      Put them in a mythology school. There are plenty of them and that's what they're there for.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Truthlover

      They probably won't be elective. You'll probably need to find a private school or homeschool.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        and with that who is forcing who's idea on who.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really???

      Patrick you need to stop being a religious bigot. The "Mythology School " taught my children that gays are God's children too & we should love them, not hate them. Look at your own hatred & be ashamed.

      December 12, 2011 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
  5. Krechec

    I like German. Has a nice ring to it.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
  6. SFC Mike

    Christians have been saying the "end times" are near since shortly after the Romans leveled the temple in Jerusalem. It ain't happening.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Eddie Russo

    GOD MADE ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN,,,,, HE DID NOT MAKE 2 MEN OR 2 WOMEN,,, WITH OUT MALE AND FEMAL, THERE WOULD NOT BE 7 BILLIION PPLE IN THIS PLANET.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      And if he wanted everyone to reproduce every time they had $ex we'd have about 500 billion people on the planet right now. What do you think the food supply would be like?

      December 10, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • AlwaysRight

        And if stupid people like you would stop thinking the wrong things and actually get things done, and stop being total idiots, we might have a way to feed 500 billion people now.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • NOBAMA2012

        God invented HIV and similar diseases to keep the population in check. Otherwise folks would be S&F all day long.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        Again the corruption of sin is also in the body.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Trap Trapson

    Son, we're moving to Brazil.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Gays are accepted more in Brazil than they are in the USA. Have a nice time!

      December 10, 2011 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Huckf1nn

      Brazil called. They said that they have reached their quota on bigots so they aren't interested. awwwww bummer.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Jason

    But Jesus was gay. Are you saying God makes mistakes by allowing kids to be born gay? So Christian of you...

    December 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Miss B

      Jesus was what?!?! Where did you read/hear that??

      December 10, 2011 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Monte253

      People arn't born gay it's a choice,When a country or Nation gets so corrupt and gives up good values and princeples it will fall as they have throughout history.Thank God I was'nt a child now days I probebly would have ended my life for sure if I had to grow up in such a perverted society so unnatural.God will fix it himself soon,No more sickness

      December 10, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
  10. NamCbtVet

    1426 responses so far; I wonder how many are from California citizens? They are the ones who elected the officials who passed the law. The non-California whiners would better serve their own school systems by concentrating on fixing education issues in their state.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • mikejones

      as long as you (Californians) keep voting in the likes of Pelosi , you will keep living in your dream world. One day it will all lay at your feet and you'll never understand why.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Dee

    They took over la la land a long time ago. Between them and the Dems, CA is going to hell.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Josh

    People who have a problem with this happening, just don't like gay people. The benefits of showing the contributions of the GLBT community to America are obvious. The talking points against are those of bigots. I don't really mind the bigotry though, just stop try to mask it and pettifog the issue. Just be the hateful cretins you are, at least I could respect the honesty, all else is is annoying.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dee

      Good, I will continue to ba a cretin

      December 10, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michelle

      I'm still waiting for them to talk about my ancestors and the things they did. You don't read about the IRISH and the wonderful accomplishments that only IRISH people made. This is ridiculous.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • mikejones

      your are not a bigot if you teach your children that its "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" Apparently, anyone that differs in their thoughts is labeled and demonized . Do something positive for this country, not tear it down.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
  13. VRage13

    This info should be discussed at home or in the church. Public school, which is paid for by everyone through taxes, has no business pushing a social issue on everyone, particularly kids. How about the NRA getting public school time paid for by everyone? How about the Rancher's Association get there agenda put in the school books much to the chagrin of PETA and the vegans and all the others? School needs to be about FACTS not opinions or agendas. Bad move CA.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • NamCbtVet

      NRA must already get time in school; there are certainly enough guns in schools.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • SeanC

      "Pushing a social issue"? Do you mean like school integration? At that time, what was being taught in the home and the church was how inferior races other than white were.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • J-Pap

      None of the examples you list above face physical persecution.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Coug9

    The State of California can force schools to teach Pro-LGBT curriculum, and justify this by claiming it upholds the rights of "alternative lifestyles".........yet it bans Anti-LGBT materials from being taught???? If this isn't pushing an agenda on our children, please tell me what is?!?! It is NOT the job of the State to tell OUR children that the LGBT lifestyle is acceptable! That is our job......and if you are for it or against it, either way, we should ALL be OUTRAGED at this absurdity!!!!!

    December 10, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      Wait, what??? So are you saying schools should teach racism is good also if they choose too?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Monte253

        That is not racism far from it a huge difference

        December 10, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Randy

      Exactly. They don't want to hear any other point of view. What would happen if a Christian kid carried a Bible to class? Would he or she be arrested? I don't care who's gay or not, the kids are graduating and they can't freakin read!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      There is no "agenda". People are born gay, not a choice, sorry to inform you.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Coug9

        If you were born gay, natural selection would weed you out of the population........and thats a "scientific fact"

        December 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jason

        Obviously it hasn't, you fail.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • leonid7

        There are hundreds of species that exhibit gay behaviour...so no, but nice try.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • MrMeem

        At least you had the good sense to put "scientific fact" in quotes.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • SFC Mike

        Coug9 – well, if you want to oversimplify "natural selection" that way, every individual who, for whatever reason, does not have children to pass along his or her DNA is "weeded out."

        December 10, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • Truthlover

        That is simply not true.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Coug9

        SFCMike- that true.....it is not an oversimplification

        December 10, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        It is not so the Natural use is man with women.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      Every mainstream science, medical and psychological association says it's acceptable. Get over it.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Coug9

        The only reason that LGBT has not been given a DSM category is because there is an agenda within the "scientific" community not to do so..........any competant pscyhologist knows that a LGBT person will be influenced by that lifestyle, often in a negative way.....they are just afraid to admit it pubicly due to backlash

        December 10, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Monte253

        God does'nt and that's is what counts in reality

        December 10, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Truthlover

        The Bible says it's an abomination, and the Bible has been around a long time, and will continue to be around a long time. The opinions of the "experts" you refer to change every week.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        The Bible does Not.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • mikejones

        LGBT should be treated by the mental health professionals, not the school system

        December 10, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mumu

      @Randy "I don't care who's gay or not, the kids are graduating and they can't freakin read!" Thanks for the laugh, that comment was hilarious! Give your head a shake, twit.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      You are just another dumb American who can't understand acceptance and diversity and the brilliant contributions and capabilities that made society great. Hopefully you will have a gay kid, or perhaps discover that you are gay yourself, and you'll stop being a dumb American.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Trap Trapson

    It's a trap!

    December 10, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Chris from Iowa

    Liberace, Waylon & Madame, Rob Halford, Richard Simmons, etc. etc.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • andy

      Alan Turing, Harvey Milk...

      December 10, 2011 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Michael

    Ah, California, where the kids will graduate knowing all about the gay community and Hispanic history, but they won't even know how many states there are in the US or be able to do simple math. Welcome to the state of Fruits and Nuts.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      But at least they won't be ignorant h0mophobes.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Michael

        Everybody is a h0mophobe to you people. You don't want equal rights, you want to be worshiped. How does learning the orientation of an inventor have ANYTHING to do with stopping hom0phobia?

        December 10, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Walter

        They will just be ignorant.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • VRage13

      Observer – nor will they be productive member of society. They will turn into the next generation of OWSers seeking everything be handed to them on a silver platter while they sit and complain about something.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      VRage13
      "nor will they be productive member of society."

      So that's what will happen because they hear references to gays in social studies classes? That's a classic!

      Thanks for living proof of the failures of our educational system.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • SFC Mike

      Ah yes, poor ignorant California – where we have the largest economy of any state in the US, larger than most countries in the world, actually,. and a never ending influx of people moving here from other states with lesser economic opportunity.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Monte253

        Not for long

        December 10, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      You are just another dumb American who doesn't know anything about how respect and awareness are taught. Dumbbb American.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • mikejones

        another one of the "I'm better than you" community. you forgot the "It's all about ME" clause.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Report abuse |
  18. jane

    I think the girl in the back of the pictured class is sleeping. Before we teach our kids about the LGBT agenda we'll have to get them to stay awake. Public schools are an absolute disgrace and waste of time.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Randy

    why can't we just teach American History and quit worrying about who's gay or not? We're all Americans so teach American History like they used to do! The good and the bad! They are learning how to be gay but they can't read their diploma when they graduate. Then they can't find any other job except flipping burgers so they move out of mommy's basement to a tent at Zuccoti park, and we all wonder why our country is going straight to hell!

    December 10, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Dee

    California, the land of fruits and nuts!

    December 10, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
  21. tk

    Wow, you obviously have no clue. Maybe you should head back to high school and take one of these improved history courses. For now, go look up Oscar Wilde. If reading is too much, see the movie J. Edgar in theaters now. Alexander the Great, Francis Bacon, most of the artists that you would consider geniuses...add the closeted folks...the list goes on...

    December 10, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
  22. sean green

    As long as they don't leave out important ones why should they go out of the way to bring up irrelevant ones?

    Off the top of my head jay Edgar Hoover and the ancient greeks are the only important ones aide from one US president, James Buchanaan

    December 10, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • andy

      and that is exactly why it is needed. There are signifiant contributions by hundreds of LGBT scientists, artists, inventors, philosophers, civil rights activists and politicians. Isn't it sad that you can't name more than 2-3?

      December 10, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • mikejones

        OK, educate me, who are the hundreds?

        December 10, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Northerner

    Celebrate M0RALITY.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
  24. WiseOneWithAnEducation

    You are a dumb American...soo dumb.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
  25. mark

    Amen!

    December 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
  26. tuffy

    I prayed to the Lord and she came out to me and said she was gay.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Isabel

      Hell is a very hot place, just sayin'

      December 10, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • WiseOneWithAnEducation

        You are just another dumb American, just sayin..

        December 10, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Fuyuko

        Actually, there is no biblical evidence of the existance of hell.

        December 10, 2011 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dee

      It is not only hot but large to accomodate a lot of people.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      Yes. Hell is very warm and very crowded with Christian hypocrites.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Pretty funny, God pulling up this comment on his computer and then torturing someone for eternity because of it.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Monte253

        Hell is death period and the true God doesn't torture no one but does cut off the wicked of all peoples

        December 10, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Isabel

    Right is wrong and wrong is right.
    It's just the way Satan likes it.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      I try not to let the Christian bible define "sin" for me since it condones slavery(Lev. 25:44), beating slaves(Exodus 21:20), incest(Genesis 19:33-36), r@pe victims being required to marry the r@pist(Deuteronomy 22:28-29), treating women and children as property(Genesis 19:8, 1 Timothy 2:11-14, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35), requires battered women to remain married to abusive husbands(Matthew 19:9, 1 Corinthians 7:10-12), condones jihad type warfare where all children are ki11ed save the virgins who are a 'reward'(Numbers 31:15), and makes no mention at all of child molestation, the worst possible crime.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        It is only a offensive state to you if you believe you will remain in that state of ever, and every man will stand be fore God for what he has done.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dee

        That is just the history of man bubba.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patrick

        Oh my mistake, I thought it was "God's Word" as it says of the old scriptures in the New Testament (2 timothy 3)

        December 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        The Bible is the divine inspired word of zgod the bible is also the account of Man fallen state.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Monte253

        You should study more and pray for better understanding,as you should never misrepresent our Rightous Creator.

        December 10, 2011 at 6:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Silence

        Hate to break it to you, but the old testament is the Jewish book. The new testament is the "Christian Bible" and it does not promote slavery, rape, murder or any of the other offenses you mentioned.

        December 10, 2011 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • SFC Mike

      Oh yes, gotta run off to good ol' Satan. You believe in a God who supposedly created mankind, all life, the earth, sun, the all the contents of the universe. So why do you think he created Satan? Why is the all-powerful God you believe in unable to simply elminate Satan, rather than letting him run amok? Or if He is able to eliminate Satan, then ask yourself why He chooses not to? Sounds like a logic-challenged adolescent playing a power game to me.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        he is the tool he has used to create free choice

        December 10, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Truthlover

        Why don't you read Revelation and see how it all turns out?

        December 10, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • bornhere

        Satan was an angel in heaven, equal with heavenly angels. He became a fallen angel when he said that he shall become like God, he wanted power, like God. We have the choice to become saved or not. The Bible is clear that every toungue will confess Jesus is the Son of God (whether while here on this earth or at the judgement seat after their death).

        God gave mankind a free-will do accept Christ and God or live as though they are themselves God. God doesn't make anyone become a Christian, however, those who are Christians were fore-ordained before the foundation of the world was set in place! God knew from the beginning who is going to abide in Him and who is going to despise Him. It's everyone's free choice. Go to heaven when you die or go to hell, either place, for ETERNITY.

        I know where I am going, if you deny Christ and God, that is your choice.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Fuyuko

        Satan is just a bogeyman created to scare unbelievers into conforming. No good god would allow the devil to exist or allow anyone to be tortured for eternity.

        December 10, 2011 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      Since the Bible supports slavery, the inferiority of women, discrimination against the handicapped, and hypocritically condemns incest which was twice used by God to populate the earth, it doesn't look like Satan may be wrong after all.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        All these things you talk of are the product of fallen Man, from the beginning it was not meant to be so.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Observer

        The Bible supports all of them. Blaiming it on man is totally irrelevent.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • kacierae

        That's EXACTLY what I've never understood. If there was only Adam & Eve how DID the world populate without incest?????

        December 10, 2011 at 5:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        The bible New Testament actually embraces all of those people

        December 10, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • mark9988

      The Bible, according to Patrick, lacking any sense of historical, biblical, social or economic understanding. Picks, chooses and misinterprets verses out of context, attempting to support his point, and missing the scriptures in the same passages that clarify and explain the subject.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patrick

        Leviticus 25:44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

        Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

        Genesis 19:33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

        34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

        36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.

        Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man happens to meet a v1rgin who is not pledged to be married and r@pes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

        Genesis 19:8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

        1 Timothy 2:11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

        1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.

        34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

        Matthew 19: (Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $exual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

        1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

        Numbers 31: (Moses Speaking) 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now ki11 all the boys. And ki11 every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

        2 Kings 6:27 The king replied, “If the LORD does not help you, where can I get help for you? From the threshing floor? From the winepress?” 28 Then he asked her, “What’s the matter?”

        She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’ 29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”

        FORGIVE ME CHRISTIANS IF I'VE TAKEN SOMETHING OUT OF CONTEXT. PLEASE EXPLAIN THE CORRECT CONTEXT AND HOPEFULLY, IF THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES YOUR EXPLANATION, YOU WILL DRAW SOME SOULS TOWARDS CHRIST. (THIS SHOULD CLEAR OUT THE FORUM)

        December 10, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        A slave only remained a slave for 7 years at with his debt or service was over and he was to be free.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        You are mixing Law and Mans sin together.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • mark9988

        Half the verses you quote are spoken by people who are clearly portrayed as sinners, and yet you say the Bible 'supports' these things. You also miss the Year of Jubilee and the Lev passage about slave redemption by self or family members. We won't change your mind. But what you've said is simply wrong.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patrick

        Only 7 years if they were a local slave. If they were bought from another land it says they can be a slave for life. And that their children will be an "inheritance". No biggie.

        If God wrote the bible he would have simply said "slavery is wrong".

        December 10, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Observer

        Dakotaarms,

        Bad try. Beating slaves/servants doesn't cut it. Try again less hypocritically.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        It sound like you know a little a bout the bible, Mind if you share how you have come about this knowledge?

        December 10, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Observer

        Deciding about the meaning of life is very important. That's why I read a lot.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        I do not claim to know the mind of God, but I do know him as my savior and his redemption plan is wonderful and is for all man kind. Man Is eviel and God is longsufering and desires that all come to the Knowledge of him. I am a fallen Man saved by the work Of Christ.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Observer

        Dakotaarms,

        Everyone should be free to worship how they want in their homes and places of worship as long as they don't infringe on the similar rights of others. Too often this is not the case. Too often Christians chose passages that encourage hatred rather than love. Too often Christians ignor one of the most important passages of all when trashing gays, etc. - the Golden Rule.

        If your religion makes your life better, don't use it to make someone's life worse.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepTep6598

        @Patrick do you study the bible in depth you have to study scripture and the history of what was going on at that time and the context it is in, You cant grab verses and not know what's really behind that verse I can tell you are not a student of the bible. You have done your self a disservice. Study the bible in depth before you copy and paste and not lean to your own understanding which means go study.

        December 12, 2011 at 10:05 am | Report abuse |
  28. Dakotaarms

    Romans 1:24-26

    December 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tr1Xen

      Idiots: 1-2.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dakotaarms

      Yes I am to love my enimies but I am not to embrace their doctrine, or Ideas.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      Dakotaarms,

      Since you don't believe in and support all of Romans, there's really no valid reason to quote it to use to pick on others. It's not a completely reliable source to you.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        its 100%

        December 10, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Krechec

    AIDS was created by a unique group of people. The Black Death was a general affliction that has yet to be specificity identified. Sandusky...well he's famous. You just can't tell us about your GOOD points now can we????

    December 10, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
  30. vote_for_rickperry

    This is so wrong, it is wrong to force the LGBT agenda on people . To stop this we must vote in Rick Perry as president .

    December 10, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • baatman74

      Brahahahahahahahahahaha! Might w(i)rk If he wasn't such an idiot!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      He's a combination of George Bush II's intelligence and Reagan's 8th year senility. Get real.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Suze

        LOL so true and so scary.

        When being dumb is admired (like it is among the Sarah Palin crowd– She's just like us! gush, gush!) we may as well flush the toilet and let the whole country go down the drain.

        December 10, 2011 at 5:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      Rick Perry is making George W. Bush look intelligent.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Monte253

      you are so right this is wrong, and it is no wonder this countrys such a mess,I get so sick of this sick society where everything is more twisted all the time.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Josh

        you always have the option to leave...

        December 10, 2011 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Concerned

    Hard to believe we are wasting precious resources developing a new curriculum for this nonsense when we are falling terribly behind in subjects that really matter like STEM. Why not focus our money on having everybody learning what they need to excel and become accomplished....including our LGBT friends. This is a disgusting waste of money...California Board of Ed should be ashamed.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      If they were cancelling math and science courses in favor of GLBT courses you might have an argument. But they aren't and you don't.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • dirtydog1776

        True, math and science courses are not being cancelled. But the quality of education is dropping all the time. Students graduate without being to read, write, do simple math or think for themselves. They know gay history, how to use a condom and political correctness, but are unqualified to find a job.

        There is no shortage of jobs in America, just a shortage of people qualified to fill them.

        December 15, 2011 at 9:10 am | Report abuse |
  32. Arkmark

    why can we not just focus on peoples accomplishements and leave out the political correct stuff. GW Carver's ptioneering agricultual research and the like only inject race/ saxual orientation re|igionwhen it is significant (tuskeegee Airmen/ Womens sufferage. Our shools have enough problems without this stuff.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • mark9988

      I agree. By adding and emphasizing the PC label, it demeans the person's accomplishment. We recognize GW Carver for his contribution to science on its own merits. To emphasize his race is equivalent to saying we didn't expect a person of color could actually achieve anything.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • M in Oz

      That's true mark9988, if we just make their accomplishments seem normal, then other people won't think these accomplishments are beyond their abilities.

      December 11, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Isabel

    How long Lord must we put up with this perversion?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      You're the pervert.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • J-Pap

      Keep waiting. I'm guessing GOD doesn't exist as you claim it does.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Monte253

      I hear that Isabel

      December 10, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • AlwaysRight

      You're exactly like those who my sunday school teachers were talking about. Getting the wrong thing out of bible verses just to prove a point that you think is right, even though it isn't.

      December 10, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Oscar Wilder

    Oh yeah, like your folks in West Virginia are the shining light of the nation....NOT!

    December 10, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
  35. Relictus

    Tectonic plates assure that we won't fall into the ocean ... we are constantly being pushed "up", which is why there are earthquakes. And that's your 3rd grade science lesson for the day.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
  36. CT

    I'd love it if lightening would strike you and all of the idiots like you. Now that would be good riddance because the gene pool is getting much too shallow.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      Shoot, if he has a sister, maybe I will get a date for once. Or will the cops ticket me for that "b" word?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
  37. jos

    Come quickly, Lord.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sanity

      I don't think God looks kindly on bigots like yourself.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • AlwaysRight

        Bigots like you. Being devoted to the belief that his belief is wrong.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Adam

        Nothing wrong with bigotry. Who made that a bad word anyway?

        December 10, 2011 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • People LikeYou

        People like you, Adam, people JUST like YOU, that's who made that a bad word!

        December 10, 2011 at 6:20 pm | Report abuse |
  38. ZE

    and this is why you take your kids to private school. public schools are deciding to teach too many things that should be taught at home. i couldn't care less about the orientation of "successful people in history" – the only reason it should ever be included is if it's directly related to the story or accomplishment. no reason to go out of your way to say, "oh, and that person was gay!".

    i want my school to teach the basics and focus on work ethic / responsibility. not about values or principles. that's what parents are for. this country is full of lazy parents and lazy people and schools shouldn't take on responsibilities where parents fall short.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oscar Wilder

      America has the lowest IQ scores of any of the developed nations and its easily proven by reading the majority of responses on this post. Other more enlightened and successful nations have taught and celebrated the accomplishment of gay folks for years.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nick

        so California should soon become a prosperous state then? Great!

        December 10, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        too busy teaching about gays and lesbians in history

        December 10, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        Oscar you must be gay you want change any minds here go put on you pink panties

        December 10, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        O.W.

        I suggest you go to : Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen (2006). IQ and Global Inequality (its on Amazon).

        Your statement is incorrect regarding IQ rankings, not to mention the spread over the rank. That is, 99.9 is greater than 99.8 but not necessarily significant, at least relative to 100 versus 70, for example.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • superflatz

        Troll!!

        December 10, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Yes, please name some enlightened/successful nations that have mandatory gay/lez curricula and how you know it is a result of this fact that makes them "highly successful".

        December 10, 2011 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • BorrowThem FromYou

        YepYep6598, that's like the pot calling the kettle black since he'd have to borrow those pink panties from You that You're wearing! LOL!! 🙂

        December 10, 2011 at 6:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      America is falling short because people like you don't increase acceptance of diversity which builds acceptance. You are just another dumb American.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        For someone who claims, at least implicitly, to loathe stereotypes you sure seem to use them a lot ("dumb American").

        December 10, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • NamCbtVet

      In California, it is the law. Failure to comply is illegal. What don't you understand about illegal?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve-o

        Education played a very important part in California (Nazi Germany) in trying to cultivate a loyal following for LGBT (Hitler and the Nazis). The California Public School system (Nazis) were aware that education would create loyal Gays (Nazis) by the time they reached adulthood. The LGBT courses (Hitler Youth) had been created for post-school activities and schools were to play a critical part in developing a loyal following for Gays (Hitler). Indoctrination and the use of propaganda were to be a common practice in California Public (Nazi) schools and the education system.

        Enforcing a California Public School (Nazi) curriculum on schools depended on the teachers delivering it. All teachers had to be vetted by local school (Nazi) officials.

        Any teacher considered disloyal was sacked.

        Many attended classes during school holidays in which the California Public School (Nazi) curriculum was spelled out and 97% of all teachers joined the California Public (Nazi) Teachers' Association.

        All teachers had to be careful about what they said as children were encouraged to inform the authorities if a teacher said something that did not fit in with the California Public School (Nazi's) curriculum for schools.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve-o

        All I did was replace NAZI and Germany with California and LGBT and it sounds like it's happening today.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Very well said. I love the comments on here from people saying crap like this will "force intelligence". It pleases me most that there are zillions of kinds of people. I think that should be celebrated, just not in a public school and certainly not hand picking certain groups to be mentioned while others are not. It is not possible to talk about them all which is a good reason to leave school neutral.

      December 10, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Report abuse |
  39. J. Allen Frye

    Thrilled, to see that the state of California and their education system have solved all their problems to the point that they can spend more time and money on yet another social engineering project.

    In the past, school goals were teaching children to read, write, perform long division and families were expected to extoll their own set of virtues and priorities onto children as well as feed them.

    Now it appears goals have changed. Federal programs have created a great need for local schools to force school lunch/breakfast programs on kids. Our children may not be able to write a complete sentence but they sure know the great literature of LGBT authors. Our children do not know the fifty states but they do know proper condom use.

    Our kids cannot solve for X; but they do spend a month will feel-good black history and Latino history months.

    What if America changed the social compact. What if parents were expected to teach calculus as the schools were expected to teach that no lifestyle is evil or wrong. Let's just put in writing.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • NamCbtVet

      Whine much?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • me

      they can also not get arrested for a crime if they can catch a football. so what is your point

      December 10, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Why?

    What accomplishments?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Hitler's enigma code was broken by a gay mathematician. You wouldn't be here without him! also, DaVinci, Tchaikovsky, and Eleanor Roosevelt were gay. Open your eyes, dumb American.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve-o

        It's irrelevant that they were gay. This is the point that you miss.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • SeanC

        It isn't irrelevant to the student sitting in class wondering if anyone like him/her had a place in history. When taught about Garrett Augustus Morgan it is always stated that he was African-American and the son of former slaves. This law is not about putting in, it is about not leaving out.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • WiseOneWithAnEducation

        Haha don't even go there. Students will realize that gays are just as awesome as straights and this builds society. You are just as dumb as the guy I posted to. Dumbbbb Americans.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        Don't waste your energy. Anyone who doesn't fall in line with WiseOne is a "Dumb American." He/she sounds no different than the most extreme of religious nut jobs.

        You make the mistake of assuming that we need to be instructed that gays are capable of doing great work. Why are you so willing to make that assumption about people whom you do not know? Is this an inferiority complex? There are certainly idiots out there who are willing and do try to impose their religious perspectives on the lives of others and you most likely are not going to reach them. But your entire argument is based on the notion that people do not already recognize the obvious – $exual orientation does not limit intellectual capabilities. Given that as a fact, or postulate if you prefer, then your entire argument falls apart. Ultimately, it's the contribution that matters, not personal preferences or genetic predispositions.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • WiseOneWithAnEducation

        Okay, so I see what you're saying, Kev. BUT, this is where my argument proves the point. Socially, American youth are mostly taught by their culturally different and ignorant parents, and this is detrimental overall to society. So, if students are brought to enlightenment that gays are actually the same as straights accept their love attraction is different, then this will build society as a whole and diminish the invalid and ignorant thoughts of their "dumb American" parents. The objective here is helping students embrace awareness and decrease ignorance.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        Then have a class on social awareness. Focus on that issue directly.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        And by the way, in case you haven't studied much history, _all_ countries are loaded with 'dumb' people. Have you been to Asia? I have not seem much of any tolerance there. Don't even think about the middle east (e.g., Dubai – different punishment for murder depending on the ethnicity of the person you kill). How about Germany and their love for Turks? How about France and the burqa ban? The various factions of Africa and the discrimination between different tribes and shades of black that results in the mass murder of hundreds of thousands? The world is an ugly place as it is. Highlighting 'dumb Americans' does a disservice to the validity and thoughtfulness of your comments.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
  41. gandfs

    Since when have we not learned about gay people in school? I guess we never learned about Alexander the Great, Socrates, Francis Bacon, or Andy Warhol then. The list goes on…Why can’t we just teach American history? Forget all these silly divisive categories we put historical figures in. Are there achievements any more or less admirable or deplorable because the person was gay, Black, disabled, Asian, Native American or female?? I just see a contradiction since everyone is equal now right?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Allllllmost a valid argument, but MLK was acknowledged for his increase of social acceptance which built society, so the same needs to be done to increase social acceptance for gays. For example, Tchaikovsky, DaVinci, and the enigma Hitler codebreaker of WWII were all gay, and we celebrate these contributions now. Increasing social acceptance builds society.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      Not to mention, Jesus was gay as well. Can you tell me when Jesus had a girlfriend or kids?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        @Jason I didnt know miscarriges could crawl out of toilets you are the 1st.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • GOPDisillusioned

        YepYep6598, you bit on a troll. Next time, just argue his point with whatever factual information you have.

        December 10, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oscar Wilder

      Years ago, whites said " blacks never accomplished anything". Thats what white kids ( and black kids) heard from the cradle. Finally, with the advent of civil rights came the realization of the accomplishments and contributions of the Afro-Americans. It is the same with gays. After years of " pervert", "sinner" "hairdressers" etc. finally the schools can set the record "straight" as it were. The gay mathematicians, scientists, military heroes, artists, playwrights, scholars can now proudly be talked about openly and young gay kids can go home with a smile, knowing that they are not alone.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • SeanC

        Exactly.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
  42. RonFromNM

    Yet the average student didn't know what Pearl Harbor was in a poll on Dec 7th. Way to make sure important American history is covered in our schools. And if the particular LGBT people are famous it's not for what they did in bed.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • James W.

      100% agreed!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
  43. cop

    Here's a formula for a failing school system. Teach what's politically correct and ignore material that really helps our kids compete in an international economy. Forget material that stretches our kids intellectually and pound them over the head with "an agenda" that gets them nowhere. Good luck to these kids in the California school system. They're going to need it.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      Like teaching black history and slavery?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        Jason, Jason I can tell you are a skinhead. Blacks have been here 400 years are you saying that shouldnt be recognized? Tell me what other minority group has endured and suffered like we have at the hansds of your great grand pappies, we have contributed more this country than any othe minority group, read your history.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • TheySure HaveSuffered

        YepYep6598, if blacks have been here for 400 years, let it be known that history recalls gays being here much much longer, in fact, since the beginning of time! And their suffering has been much like the black folks with the beatings, discrimination, maimings, and killings and all because they are gay! It's no wonder news reports have brought out that Coretta S. King, wife of the late Rev. Dr. Martin. L. King, likened the two groups due to their sufferings. She was so right!

        December 10, 2011 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • gandfs

      Well put...I'm glad you touched on the "agenda." Its all over the media and here it is seeping into the schools...folks are going to have a lot to answer for one day

      December 10, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
  44. schoolsub

    What's next? Will we be acknowledging the accomplishments of zoophiles? self gratifiers? infantilists? It's time to stop validating deviant behavior, whether it's done by entertainers, newscasters, congressmen, or DWTS personalities.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Michael

    We already teach the accomplishments of gays, we just don't harp on the fact that they are gay. Who cares? You want to be considered normal people, then great. Just get credit for what you do, not your orientation. Why is it necessary for us to focus on someone's orientation? Just be a person.

    Also, this guy wants people to think differently about pronouns? WT F? You are born a male or a female, it's nature. Are we going to invent new genders just so people who have mental issues can redefine themselves?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      I can't believe they teach black history, how dare they!!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      It shows that gays are normal and awesome just like everyone else that is awesome. If it weren't got a gay mathematician, we would never have broken Hitler's enigma code in WWII!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Are you suggesting that if he weren't gay he wouldn't have been a successful mathematician? Isn't that the same as saying that being gay would prevent someone from being a good mathematician?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • WiseOneWithAnEducation

        You missed the boat. Being aware of this shows that gays are capable of the same vital contributions that straights contribute. See? Boom. I win.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        You are assuming that I needed to taught that gays were capable of making a significant contribution. The problem is with you and what you assume of others. I was never under the impression that $exual orientation had a thing to do with being a capable individual.

        Stop assuming what other people think. It does you a disservice.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        By the way, for someone who claims to be of "higher education" you sure waste a lot of energy on pithy comments, "boom I win," "dumb american."

        Again, if you say that someone's contribution to mathematics was because of their $exual orientation the you must admit, by symmetry, that one could be intellectually hampered by the same. The moral message bit - go join the religious nuts with that nonsense. Not everyone needs to inundated with social programming.

        I cannot believe that the discussion section on an article about gays, lesbians, and transgenders would censor any word containing "$ex;" hence the $. Ridiculous.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jason

        It is letting gay kids know that it is okay to be gay, they are born that way. letting them know there have been famous people throughout history that were gay might help change their mind about killing themselves or might change a bully's mind about picking on someone solely because they are gay.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lrf

        I have read your post and comments and I am impressed with your line of reasoning ...Well done!

        December 10, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        I wasn't under the impression the purpose of studying history was to make people feel good about themselves. As transparent (and ridiculous) as the patriotic stuff was back in the day I took HS history this attempt to be all inclusive must seem equally to so these kids.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
  46. Atlantean

    This is not a shift in education curriculum; it is propoganda. And it has a very familiar precedent: Germany during the 1930s, when Adolph Hitler changed the culture of an entire nation in a single generation via flooding the citizenry with rhetoric and in particular focusing on German youth. Those kids became loyal, brainwashed supporters of a genocidal regime who were absolutely certain of their genetic superiority.

    In short, the unspeakable happened in Germany because the wrong people seized control of power and took strict control of all information. Political correctness is no different in its methods; if you think it is then try publicly saying anything contrary to it today. Today's American youth and twenty-somethings are so certain of their intellectual, scientific, and moral superiority compared to previous generations; sound familiar? Kruschev's prediction of America being buried without its enemies firing a shot has come true...and via our own unwillingness to take a stand against evil.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • FlyonteWall

      oh the hate mongers are out today!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve-o

      @Atlantean; nice post.

      And no I am not Atlantean just in case someone thinks I changed my screen name.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Dano

    Time to take our country back and stop all this nonsense. Our military has had to conform to (gay) soldier's behavior now we try to twist the minds our our young students. Sad

    December 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Nothing's getting twisted and there is no "indoctrination" that you wish there was. Get a grip, dumb American.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Schmoogalicious

      Teaching fact is not "twisting minds", although to some folks apparently it is. Are you afraid kids will learn the truth?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alaina

      Go back to Fox News. They miss you over there.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • FlyonteWall

      What sad is that you sir are an outdated old rhetorical bigot, relegated to the backwaters of obscurity in an ever changing world. Good on you for your Archaic sad beliefs that you are the only important and awesome person on the planet.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        i guess one day being a pedophile will be ok to you

        December 10, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      Dano,

      Education is winning out over bigotry. H0mophobes are getting educated.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Brian

    We should have a federal school system as most countries do. If you leave it to the local yocals you will have odd, strange things like this.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  49. Dave Kovalak

    I'm fine with creating lesson plans to recognize LGBT individuals, but isn't there an inherent problem in doing so. How do you recognize such individuals who haven't or never did come out? Sure, we could guess on some people from the past. But is it fair to anybody to speculate?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  50. WiseOneWithAnEducation

    Suuuch an ignorant and irrelevant post..dumb American.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Relictus

    That distinction, the Black Death, was an equal opportunity killer. Look it up. Death is fascinating.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Charlie_In_VA

    I'm gay, but still a little uncomfortable about this. My main objection is why do we have to single out people of great accomplishment as gay? Or black? Or Latino? Or whatever minority group they may affiliate with? My fear is that this will single out gay students and make them targets of bullies or hateful, closed-minded teachers who are being "forced" to teach their "sodomite past." I know that, for myself, I'm not a flag waving, parade marching kind of gay man, and if we're going to do this, don't make any bigger deal about it than black history, Latino history, etc. I still think it's sad that in America we're still having these conversations in the first place ... such a backwards, demon-haunted society, where we have to force a false sense of compassion and acceptance on people.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Jasonn

    It's no wonder that folks call the People's Republic of California "The Land of Fruits and Nuts." A special lesson plan for LGBT accomplishments? Really? How about the Albino Hunchbacks? Who is looking out for them? Smaller lobby, eh?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      I am a white hunchback. I want my lobby! =)

      December 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • boo

      by gosh man, you're right!! All those albino hunchback teenagers who keep killing themselves really need help!!!!!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
  54. James W.

    Our kids are lagging behind in math, science, literacy, and much more. But that's OKAY. They are at least well versed in LGBT history now!!

    December 10, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Social acceptance through awareness builds society.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • James W.

        Right... Now wonder we are ranked so "high" globally in getting kids educated...
        Get off your low horses.
        This is all misplaced priorities!!

        December 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • boo

      Whoa, James! Wait till you hear about how math, science, English and social studies are actually separate classes with different teachers! IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
  55. chicagok

    How about Sandusky at Penn State?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      What about that church-going "family values" Republican with a wife and kids?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Your comparison is invalid. Dumb American.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • FlyonteWall

      Sandusky is a child molester.....he hurt unwilling participants with his power and position......this story has nothing to do with common thugs and criminals.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        so if they were willing that would have made it OK. Someone probably needs to watch you near children

        December 10, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
  56. mb914

    If this saves the life of one human being, it’s worth it.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle Wagers

      You sir, are one of the only people on this forum that has the right idea and true message of this change to the California education system.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
  57. Damien Tobin

    God is as real as Santa Clause.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
  58. wwrrd

    No problem seeing LGBT people. Just watch Project runway, Americas next top model, the design shows on HGTV. They are crawling with flamers. Or just watch Glee.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • boo

      I'd rather see an out gay rapper, or movie action hero, or high ranking politician, or NBA player, etc... then we're talkin.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        you must be gay boo with a name like that

        December 10, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Jason

    Jesus was gay, so you shouldn't have a problem with it, unless you have a problem with Jesus.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
  60. superflatz

    You know, there'd be no problems if someone would keep their orientation to themselves. They scream that they're different and then cry when they're ridiculed. I don't yell that I'm hete-ro. Why put yourself in that position unless you are truly just crying for attention? Just shut up and go to work. Wanna marry an earthworm – who cares!!!

    December 10, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • superflatz

      Another mo ron needs to put his accomplishments in his name!! Not getting enough attention, unwiseone? Hey, chris matthews at msnbc needs a new tingle up his leg – hurry on over!!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • James W.

      So your entire "education" only taught you about how to scorn people who does not agree with you? LOL

      December 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • superflatz

      Trolling again Jason? Good luck with that, bonehead!!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      I'm obviously smarter than the socially conservative and ignorant uninformed freaks.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      How is that trolling, just telling the truth.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      If you have a problem with gay people then you have a problem with Jesus; being he was gay.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • jaichele70

      "Jesus was gay" - This is the dumbest statement I've heard in a long time. Whoever told you that must not have read the New Testament at all. Good news......Jesus was most certainly NOT gay, so we can rest in that.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • boo

      i agree it shouldn't matter but some people cant hide that they are gay or some people pick up on it, or pray on people's insecurities, and even if the gay kid doesn't say anything, they start to get bullied.

      Also, although lots of kids get bullied for various things, some as silly as hair color, its different when the person bullying you has been raised to truly believe that you are representing satan or go against what is natural. I mean, how do you deal with THAT?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        you are representing Satan and all his demons

        December 10, 2011 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
  61. Observer

    Repent,

    Please show us what YOU know about Sodom. What did the Bible say was "the sin of Sodom and her daughters"? No fair looking it up. You are SUPPOSED to know this.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Willl

    That's actually I good point, but why teach people about things that aren't relevant? We aren't taught about the personal lifes of most straight famous figures because they aren't important to history. So why teach about the personal lives of gay famous people?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Jonathan

    GOOD!

    LEAVING THE LIES OF THE PAST BEHIND!

    December 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Professional Education

    I can't wait for the fence to go up around California the new Sin State of America.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • superflatz

      troll!!!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      He is not acting. And I did not see his birth certificate, so we don't really really know if he's American.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      I wish that California was the "Sinful State"! I couldn't get a date in the produce aisle of the local grocery store ... the foodies will get the joke.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
  65. Dave

    Similar to what Brian said earlier: Teach about people who made noteworthy contributions. End of story.

    California government is always pushing their agendas...

    December 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
  66. fedup

    prejudices will end when we finally stop focusing on our differences and recognize each other as human beings.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle Wagers

      Prejudice will never end. People will always have opposing views. As a country all we can do is grant the right of every single human (who is a citizen) to have equal rights.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • chris

      Psalms 12:8

      December 10, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kyle Wagers

        You are free to believe in what you want to, and I'd be wrecking my anti-prejudice philosophy if I condemned you now for strongly disagreeing with the bible verse you just put. Agree to Disagree.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • FlyonteWall

        The Christian bible is an outdate old history book written by bigoted men from an area of the planet that is still so backwards they strap bombs to themselves and kill each other just because they disagree. hmmm. BURN ALL BIBLES!! BAN THE BIBLE!! then maybe we would all get along better.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Northerner

      Celebrate MORALITY.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • FlyonteWall

        There is not a christian preacher on this planet whom is moral!! They all have boyfriends, do cocaine, steal from the parishioners cheat on there wives, and own Porsche's!!

        December 10, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Report abuse |
  67. Donald

    This is outrageous. It's only been in the last few decades that this LGBT "agenda" has surfaced (what does transgender mean anyway? If you have a penis, YOU ARE A BOY). This country, founded on godly, biblical principles, has done fine for a couple hundred years without these people moving about in open society. I see no reason why it has to change now. Religious arguments aside, their agenda is often counter-productive and subversive. If they want recognition, perhaps they should move to a more accepting country, or create their own. In this way, it would be easier for God to do His thing when He's ready.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      You can't leave everything up to "God." You have to help society by building social acceptance which builds society, as discrimination and prejudice and clear ignorance are detrimental. Observing and acknowledging the great accomplishments of gays to society, such as the cracking of Hitler's enigma code by a gay mathematician, the arts of Tchaikovsky, and the overall genius of DaVinci greatly increases awareness and acceptance, and this builds society. You have a lot of learning to do, American.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • WiseOneWithAnEducation

        I'm not disagreeing, I'm putting their ignorant heads in place. They are most definitely American.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • James W.

        I agree with Nick. You are just a troll.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oscar Wilder

      Fortunately, people like you are quickly becoming part of the minority. I certainly hope that none of your family is gay and has to deal with such petty small minded bigotry.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        90% of Texans voted no for gay marriage not a minority in this state.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hooligan

      you really don't read much do you?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Suze

      It is exactly your type of ignorance that these laws are necessary. I pity you.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      Poor Don. To answer your question "Transgender" is when the face in the mirror is the wrong gender. Some of us – despite our best efforts – will never "man up" because we are girls. Or never "cowgirl up" because we boys. You have absolutely no idea. =)

      December 10, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
  68. Kevin

    Respectfully, I disagree. It's an interesting side note, no more no less than a famous scientist came from abject poverty. Or another scientist fled a country under threat of death or oppression due his religious beliefs. It makes for a good story, and likely accounts for some components of the person's personality that catalyzed their success, but by itself it is a distant trailer to the contribution.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • leonid7

      Not if you are a member of the group in question, who has sufferred the same discrimination, and is in desparate need of a role model. Look at what Joe Louis meant to people. Overcoming prejudice is vital to his story and may live on as a more important aspect of his life than his boxing accolades.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • leonid7

      And Einstien fleeing to America is not a side-note.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Maybe we should teach people to stop relying on role models, or rather, to stop assuming everyone is in desperate need of one. I think assuming that randomly assigned groups of people need sunshine blown up their backside is an insult. I know a ton of gays and lesbians, several quite well, and not one of them comes across as insecure and in need of feel good lectures about their lifestyle.

      If this sort of thing is really needed then why not dedicate a lecture to it? I think that making accomplishments a function of traits that are beyond the individual's control undermines the will and strength of the individual himself. It diminishes them.

      Do you need a pep rally for who you are? Short, tall, fat, thin, white, black, whatever? Do you need affirmation that you are a good and capable person simply because there are other people out there that look like you who were good and capable? Such a strange world.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Actually, Einstein fleeing to America is a side note. I'm not terribly familiar with General Relativity, and am comfortable with Special Relativity (just not that bright!!), and nowhere in what I've seen of them is there anything about Einstein's struggles or religion (short of the what-was infamous cosmological constant). His struggles make for a good story but they are not his contribution.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
  69. Northerner

    I love sheep! There, I said it. Oh, and I invented velcro mits, and I'm designing an app for all you sheep lovers out there. Now, I want sheep lover curriculum taught in all schools. Please don't mention any gay sheep lovers though. That's just wrong.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
  70. Gerry

    Jesus Christ said "if anyone causes one of these little children to stumble it would have been better if he had never been born. It would have been better if a large stone were hung around his neck and he be thrown into the sea." If a LGBT lifestyle is pleasing to God, nothing to worry about.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
  71. superflatz

    You know, I don't care if these humans sleep with toadstools. But, if you were born with a pair, act like you have a pair. If you don't want them, cut them off!! I don't care to see your "statements" when you walk down the street.

    Again, if you want to sleep with fritz the cat, I don't care!! Just keep it to yourself!!

    December 10, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oscar Wilder

      I really don't enjoy seeing heteros shoving their lifestyles either. So If y'all will keep your business behind closed doors, perhaps I will too. UNTIL THEN, my boyfriend and I are going to walk hand and hands down every street we care to and FRECNH KISS on the sidewalks.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • superflatz

        The law says you can. Just don't cry horse tears when someone ridicules you!!!

        December 10, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        try that shyt in Texas and see what happens

        December 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • boo

        lol Texas is not as gayless as you think. Ever been to HOUSTON? or even DALLAS , lol. Also, Oscar Wilder... keep struttin!!! 😉

        December 10, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      by the way trick i stay in Texas and it is obvious you dont. That shyt aint cool here.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
  72. Rick

    Until we all consider ourselves Americans and not Hyphenated-Americans, this country is doomed to fail.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      it's already failed

      December 10, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
  73. Northerner

    So fat people, short people, etc.. who have accomplishments should get special recognition and educational curriculum because they have been persecuted too?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • James W.

      Gingers. We need to recognize the contributions of gingers!!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • superflatz

      Don't forget spongebobs and catdogs.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Schmoogalicious

      The fact that an accomplished person was fat or short is not covered up or denied like it is for LGBT people.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Northerner

        Nor is it specifically mentioned. Nor should it be, because it's not relevant to the achievement.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joyce

        When a fat or short person accomplishes something, no one says that they accomplished something in spite of being fat or short; it is simply not mentioned. As it should be with LGBT accomplishments. It's irrelevant.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Schmoogalicious – it isn't mentioned because it isn't relevant. No more than their hair color or favorite flavor of lolly pop.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Schmoogalicious

        Sometimes it IS mentioned that someone of notable accomplishment was fat or short (Napoleon anyone?) but even if it isn't mentioned explicity, it isn't covered up - and it's obvious from the pictures or portraits. The same is not the case for LGBT folks.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kevin

        Not mentioning it is not the same as covering it up. There have been a slew of fantastic authors who were gay but it was rarely mentioned, or only so in passing (in my classes, which I hate to say were over 20 years ago now), because it wasn't relevant to the quality of the work. The work spoke for itself.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Fat and or short people are not treated as 2nd class citizens, they can marry whom they chose regardless of size and they don't have to deal with being shunned by their families for being the size they are. There isn't a book in every hotel room in the USA that says you should be murdered for being fat and or short or that you will go to hell for being fat or short.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
  74. James W.

    Misplaced priorities. This is all about misplaced priorities.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Thought Police

    The comparisons between the civil rights movement and the current qay rights push are getting absurd... It's not like qay people are born with an obvious physical characteristic that will grant them inferior status for life. It's not like qay people can't vote, can't attend the same schools, can't use the same public transportation, etc. as normal people. qays can quietly disappear into the background if they want, blacks don't have even that option.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Dumb American.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      The idea is that gay people cannot change who they are. All of your perspectives are so OLD. Gay people, just like black people, can contribute greatly to society. Hitler's enigma code was broken by a gay mathematician. DaVinci, Tchaikovsky, and Eleanor Roosevelt were gay, and look at how brilliantly they lifted society. Gays are born the way they are, just like straight people and black people. Step by step we increase social acceptance, and then we build society.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oscar Wilder

      What a ridiculous and ill informed statement. Gays are discriminated against daily. What do you think the current rash of bullying suicides is all about? Just like blacks 30+ years ago, gay folks deserve their history be displayed with as much importance and relevance as any group that has contributed to our civilization. How else will kids learn that Baron Von Stueben ( a gay man) was responsible for whipping our troops into shape during the Revolutionary war? How else will they learn that Alan Turing ( a gay man) was responsible in large part for the invention of the computer? ( and of course he wound up being punished for being gay. Di Vinci was gay, Andy Warhol was gay, Michelangelo was gay, Virginia Wolf was gay, Truman Capote, the list goes on and on. Our Children need to see gays as the talented and sensitive people that they are.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Schmoogalicious

      Right, Thought Police. So if black people *were* capable of choosing to "blend in" and look like everyone else (i.e. the white majority), it would be OK to discriminate against the black folks that chose to be themselves instead?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joyce

      Why are you calling them QAY?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Thought Police

    The comparisons between the civil rights movement and the current gay rights push are getting absurd... It's not like gay people are born with an obvious physical characteristic that will grant them inferior status for life. It's not like gay people can't vote, can't attend the same schools, can't use the same public transportation, etc. as normal people. Gays can quietly disappear into the background if they want, blacks don't have even that option.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Comparing this to that and this to that simply proves that you aren't very well thought-out. Discussing the awesome contributions of gays and also the same for straights embraces social diversity and acceptance and this builds society. There is no alarmist "indoctrination" going on here, as you would like to believe. Clearly, you are just another middle-American that is rather dumb.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Another Opinion

        Most Americans, of all stripes, have had it up to their eyeballs with 'diversity'.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        im glad i dont stay in california. i feel soory for that state.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      You have no clue do you?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • YepYep6598

        no you dont have a clue my black skin is my sin and hated by most. grow a dyck

        December 10, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thought Police

      I said nothing about indoctrination, I just don't appreciate gays comparing their situation to that of blacks who know real discrimination.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jason

        You obviously don't know any gay people if you really think that. I hope you have a gay kid one day so you can see what they truely go through.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thought Police

        I have gays in my extended family, and while they probably aren't thrilled with certain aspects of the legal code I've never heard of them being denied the right to vote, being forced to use subpar schools, being denied public transportation, or experiencing any other forms of systematic discrimination on the part of society.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      The idea is that gay people cannot change who they are. All of your perspectives are so OLD. Gay people, just like black people, can contribute greatly to society. Hitler's enigma code was broken by a gay mathematician. DaVinci, Tchaikovsky, and Eleanor Roosevelt were gay, and look at how brilliantly they lifted society. Gays are born the way they are, just like straight people and black people. Step by step we increase social acceptance, and then we build society.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      ... and of course the argument of who is or has been more oppressed must come up. I sometimes wonder what people would have if they didn't have some genetic tie to a time of defeat and oppression.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
  77. Jason

    Should gay kids think they are a freaks of nature and not know there have been famous gay people throughout history?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thought Police

      Should everyone else be forced to listen to irrelevant pieces of history that are unimportant save for the fact they involve gay people, while they instead could be learning something valuable, like math or science...

      December 10, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • WiseOneWithAnEducation

        You are a dumb American that doesn't understand that seeing the awesome contributions to society from different groups builds social acceptance and thus society. This decreases ignorance. You should be in school again.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jason

        Or black history? You have no clue, they aren't going to be turning your kids gay, that is impossible. Kids need to know that people are born gay and have contributed throughout history and that they are not freaks and want to kill themselves. Grow up, your kids will be just fine.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • leonid7

        So you learned math and science in your history class?

        December 10, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thought Police

        Or, you know, we could treat everyone the same instead of constantly dividing people up into groups... The constant fixation on race, gender, gay rights, etc. only causes backlash and causes both sides to resent each other. Hardly the formula for mutual acceptance.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • YepYep6598

      and do you think by forcing down peoples throat is going to make it better, you only infuriate people to anger you cant make people accept something that's against their belief PERIOD.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • boo

        lol, no. the only thing that combats ignorance is education. especially in kids. YOU may be too late to change, I'm afraid, YepYep, but then again you are a bitter old man.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • superflatz

      Yeah, I once heard of a gay crossing the street wearing headphones. Awesome. How about the one that actually put mail in a mailbox. We need to study these phenoms.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • boo

        yeah... I'd rather read Samuel Pepys diary for the THIRD TIME. Riveting stuff about a rich white man's daily errands.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
  78. Bob

    So gay....

    December 10, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
  79. Artos

    unless they are famous for something why?

    December 10, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Report abuse |
  80. ShutUP

    So now I bet the GOPT are having fits of rage over this as the waco evangelists. The thing is, that these people are citizens too and religion should not be allowed to take their rights.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Dakotaarms

    I believe in God the father, and The Son Jesus Christ And the Holy Spirit. The holy Trinity and that the word of God is inspired word of God and is infallible.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      God loves everybody. God would want everyone to know of the great contributions of diversity.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • ShutUP

      Good, now keep that in Church and out of Government.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        Christ is the governing body of my life so their for I can not move or except anything that is contrary to his teachings and the divine word.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • WiseOneWithAnEducation

        Schools aren't government. Your argument is invalid.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kyle Wagers

        Actually you are the governing body in your life that is choosing to put your deity that your controller, although at the end of the day you are making your own decisions, opinions, and interactions. You can be jesus happy all you want, but that's not going to change the discriminating of others in the United States. If you feel conflicted by your religious beliefs to not support LGBT's then that's your decision. Just it would be nice for some ACTUAL equality for once.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakotaarms

        Their is no Conflict in my beliefs, read romans.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      Jesus was gay, so why do you have a problem with it?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle Wagers

      I believe that no one cares about your religious beliefs. That has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      I believe in Sparkles the Unicorn, and he is better than God.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • boo

        When I was 13, I knelt down before a rainbow and I prayed and let Sparkles into my heart. And I knew at that very moment that I was reborn.

        December 10, 2011 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
  82. Jason

    How dare they teach our kids anything but what straight white Christian people have done throughout history. The NERVE!! "sarcasm"^^

    December 10, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      SRSLY!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      Srsly, kids need to learn about the best black gay rugby player from Tibet!

      December 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • aowercd

      We don't need a gay history lesson, it's not akin to being black, not at all. Leave schoolchildren out of it.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
  83. aroomadazda

    Clearly, what is needed here is another mandate. History classes should also teach about the contributions of bigoted, closed minded people so that perhaps they can start to feel better about themselves.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle Wagers

      I love you. You can be "republican" all you want, fine by me, but this country needs to become socially liberal, fast.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • WiseOneWithAnEducation

        SRSLY! Thank God we have people like you in American society.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Dakotaarms

    God does not make mistakes but Man does.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
  85. Viper1j

    Good Morning Students,, Your weekend assignment will be to write a 5 page book report on The Philosophy Of The Bedroom by the Marquis De Sade..

    School was never that much fun when I attended. We never even got to read Lady Chatterley's Lover. 🙁

    December 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      It's not about the bedroom. You must be preoccupied, you freak. Please don't be another dumb American.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • ShutUP

      Republicans Need to get out of people's bedrooms. Evangelicals and their Damnable Dominion Theology need to be kept out of Government.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      You are my hero. Marry me? =)

      December 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
  86. Thought Police

    What about red haired people? There is clear evidence that they suffer severe discrimination and their acknowledgments are rarely, if ever acknowledged...

    December 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Schmoogalicious

      There are well-known redheaded historical figures - like Thomas Jefferson or King Henry the Eighth. Nobody tries to cover up that fact, and everyone knows about it.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • boo

      its because of that damned Leviticus passage!! They never let me live it down... 3:17: "Thou shall not suffer a Ginger to live."

      December 10, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Dakotaarms

    Jesus Christ was and is not Gay.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Glenn

    Chines master calculus while California kook kids master Harvey Milk. And they are forbidden about g*ys historical figures that were villans like Catholic priests, or mass murders like Muhammad. All these brainwashed kids, future Democrat voters and Ooccupy Protesters need to do to learn about GLBT is go on craigslist right now for their city. Click on men seeking men, or women seeking women. Being g*y is not same as being black. If it was, g*y people that mated would have only g*y babies. You can't change your color but you can select your orifice to pleasure. GLBT are the real 1%.

    December 10, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • WiseOneWithAnEducation

      Straight people do all the same stuff. You are disgusting. Dumb American.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Glenn

        You folks are just full of hate. Gays will never be happy because they will never have a baby from both gay parents. A donor egg or sperm will be necessary until we have a gay President that signs an executive order permitting cloning.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle Wagers

      I love how you feel like you're making a good point but yet you censored the word gay, which in the LGBT community isn't offensive at all in the manor you are using it. Sigh.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      Chines?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Glenn

        Chinese. You know, the mass murdering communists folks you liberals all want to emulate.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
  89. Dakotaarms

    Posting

    December 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
  90. Andy

    Look...for all the haters and naysayers out there (of anything gay rights or minority rights in general)...you can rant and rant about the logistics and how things are going to get affected regarding this change...but the bottom line is that...

    You are intrinsically bothered by the fact that two people of the same gender are sleeping together and are engaging in physical and intimate relations.
    It really comes down to that.
    You have a preoccupation with their intimate lives, b/c you can't reconcile your own personal viewpoints with what someone may be do that you consider "deviant".
    And please, being not of Caucasian descent, a lot of things that I do in my culture/home would be considered "deviant" or "aberrant" or "weird".

    It all comes down to you bigotted and close minded people that apply your heteronormative and ethnocentric views on the rest of the world.
    Your ancestors did it to my people, and you continue to hold this backward view.
    But alas, it is human nature to fear the unknown.
    To overcome this fear and to achieve a true understanding is the ultimate beauty and finesse of the human psyche and existence.

    So for once, engage yourself in this practice of stepping outside your heteronormative and ethnocentric "zone" and really get a glimpse of what we "weird' people do in our daily lives.
    You'll be shocked (but hopefully pleasantly surprised) that due to our humanity, we are not so different after all.

    =)

    December 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      I feel sorry for you that you only see a black and white world. People can be critical of this law and not be all the horrible things you are saying they are.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Andy

        Once again, once you push away all the fluff, you can see it as clearly as I see it.
        You just fail to acknowledge this.
        Things can be as simple as you make it; we just have a tendency not to.
        And please don't feel sorry for me, I'm happy where I am.
        You feel pity upon yourself for not seeing the light. I'm perfectly fine the way I am ^_^.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • chipchap

        I agree that there can be real, substantive, rational disagreements with this law. Unfortunately, the voices of those who are intolerant and attacking the law for intolerant reasons are drowning out any real debate on the issue. So the cycle continues.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Listen to you, you no better than they. You presume to know what everyone else thinks and why. High on your horse and you can't even see that you are doing the same thing as the people you criticize.

      I don't care what anyone does in their private lives. As the man said, "it neither pics my pocket nor breaks my leg." Happiness is hard enough to find as it is so if you've got a bead on it then more power to you.

      BUT, turning history into an effort of putting non-relevant factors in front of historical contribution, which is presumably the mean of the implementation of this plan, is ludicrous. A piece of literature is made no better because the author is gay (or straight). A scientific theory or a ground breaking experiment is not more or less influential because there was a black guy on the team and two lesbians. Let the important of the action speak for itself. Don't seek out contributors to include in a history lesson because of details of their personal lives or genetics. Talk about sending the wrong message... It isn't what you do that matters, but what similarities you share with other people; things beyond your control.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Report abuse |
  91. NitaBear

    Wonder why people are concerned about what is happening to our country. With this going on, the reason should be obvious.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Genevieve

      So, "WiseOneWithASubParEducation"...seriously you're being ridiculous. You are trying to belittle people by labeling them as 'Dumb Americans' when they are trying to express an opinion about, more than likely, a group of people they are ignorant on and don't know much about. You are seriously doing the same by unfairly labeling a vast majority of people that make America. Tolerance goes both ways, even if you are trying to seem like you are standing up for the understanding of the LGBT people, your hatred and superiority issues are bringing your contributions down.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • superflatz

      genevieve, don't waste your breath. He's a major troll. Always is.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
  92. Alisha

    “In the final analysis it is between you and God, it was never between you and them anyway.”
    ― Mother Teresa

    December 10, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
  93. Dakotaarms

    test post

    December 10, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • James W.

      test test

      December 10, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • mb2010a

        Let's try to be civil here...nobody needs to get testy.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
  94. Brian

    I don't get it. Why not just teach history and social studies and include people who made noteworthy contributions (good and bad) and not worry about what label they fit under.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Most people already know plenty of gay people who have made great contributions to society, all the more reason this is a superfluous and idiotic act.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      How dare they teach our kids anything but what straight white Christian people have done throughout history. The NERVE!! "sarcasm"^^

      December 10, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Donald

      "Social acceptance" ??? "Building society" ... Our society has existed for several hundred years without accepting this ungodly lifestyle. Why is now any different.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • StupidIsAsStupidDoes

      Absolutely agree. Noteworthy contributions shouldn't have anything to do with gay/not gay. So are minor contributions (not really noteworthy) going to now be identified just because the person was gay? If so, ridiculous. Or are significant contributions from the past from gay people now going to be re-identified as being from a gay person? If so, ridiculous. I'm glad that I'm in the process of moving from CA.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
  95. WiseOneWithAnEducation

    Pedophiles and transgendered people are not gay people. You are a dumb and unintelligent American.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
  96. Steve

    Here is what is wrong with America. We churn out kids that can't read or write, but at least now they'll know Alan Turing was gay.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Libs are so hilarious. There are only 2 kind of people in the world to them. If you are critical of this education "fairness act" then you must be a tea partier, GWB fan, and anti-gay. It must suck to have no opinion other than what you perceive that your half of the country has.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • boo

        lol, you mean the opinion of "those damn libs on the east/west coast..."

        December 10, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • jeff lehl

      Jason, you blame Christians for everything? How convenient. Nice to see you have everything figured out. I hope you get your society sin Christians someday.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • J.P.

      Where did you come up with the idea that the Tea Party wants to remove slavery from history text books?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
  97. Erik P.

    leonid7, thanks for posting a comment that sends the correct message. I feel that there are a vast amount of similarities to the African American civil rights movement that we are seeing now in the LGBT community. I find it interesting that religious views that justified hatered, killing, and murdering people are passed on from one minority to another. All, in the name of God. However, as people have learned religion and faith is a gift from God that shows compassion and love, especially to those who are being persecuted. Not many people wish to acknowledge that the LGBT community has been burned, stoned, humiliated, segregated, hanged, beaten, and essentually murdered in the name of God. Sadly, Jesus whom encompasses our ultimate passing to our father never taught those things. We will see that the prejudices we see today for the LGBT community will still be around like those towards African Americans but once the ignorance is lifted and people learn that they are no different from anyone else we will move on from them and find yet another minority to pick on.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joyce

      If I'm not mistaken, Christianity is all about loving one's neighbor. You are mistaking prejudice for Christianity, and while there may be prejudiced Christians, there are also people of other religions who are prejudiced. Don't lump all Christians together.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • chipchap

        Joyce, you make a wonderful point. Those supporting gay rights should not lump all religious people together – stereotyping is exactly what we are fighting against! Unfortunately, the intolerant religious individuals' voices drown out the tolerant ones. I wish and hope that more like you would use your voice to show that not all Christians feel this way. It would help everyone.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Erik P.

        Joyce I do not know the names of the exact individuals who executed those hate crimes. So, I'll clarify that I'm talking about the religious members who harm others in the name of God.

        December 10, 2011 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
  98. Sari in Vegas

    It's school. It doesn't matter whether the person you are reading about is GLBT, handicapped, or Superman, it is going to be taught in a way that sucks all life or interest out of the subject matter. If you don't believe me, go watch a high school lit class teach Machiavelli's "The Prince". How they turned an impassioned text about the proper manipulation of the populace by a monarch into dry and dull 7th period crap is beyond me.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • JayhawkHoya89

      You must not have gone to a very good school. My teachers did a phenomenal job of teaching the classics. Certainly, my college professors were more adept at this, but I owe my college success to the enthusiasm of my high school teachers.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sari in Vegas

        Too true, I did not go to a very good school growing up. Too many of them are bad schools, across the country. My passion for learning has enabled me to catch up for college, for which I am fortunate.

        December 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
  99. mike

    If I lived in California and had a child I would ensure that the GLBT agenda would not enter our house.

    December 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • MrMeem

      I strongly suspect it's already in your house.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • aroomadazda

      Why, are you afraid that merely talking about it and recognizing that it exists would make your child want to be gay?

      December 10, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • gimmeabreak

      Aw, life is tough for gay kids, is it? How is it easier for straight kids? How about ugly straight kids, or fat straight kids, or short straight kids? I for one and really tired of gays thinking that they are somehow special and deserve special treatment because they are gay, like it is some kind of handicap. A handicap they seem to be quite proud of, by the way – what with those stupid parades and rainbow stickers on their cars..

      December 10, 2011 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
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