After Latino boom, Georgia town's population shifts again
Some in the large Latino community in Dalton, Georgia, gathered to celebrate their church's 30th anniversary.
December 12th, 2011
07:19 PM ET

After Latino boom, Georgia town's population shifts again

By Nick Valencia and Leslie Tripp, CNN

Dalton, Georgia (CNN) - Pastor Ernesto Mendez looked over his congregation as sunlight poured through the windows of the Iglesia Bautista Nueva Vida church one recent Sunday afternoon. The church was celebrating its 30th anniversary, and some 300 parishioners, nearly all of them Latino, were there to hear the service in Spanish.

On a projection screen behind them, there was a sentence in Spanish: “God sent Rev. Ernesto to Dalton for us.”

In this small southern town near the Tennessee border, it’s not uncommon to see huge crowds of Latinos gathered at church, at work or in school. The Latino population grew for decades as workers came to work in the city’s carpet and textile industry. As of 2010, 48% of the city’s 33,000 residents were Latino, according to the U.S. Census.

But Georgia’s new immigration law, known as HB 87,  has caused some concern for Dalton’s Latino community. The law has been in effect about six months, though some of the strictest parts of the bill are under a court challenge. Those provisions would give officers the right to check for citizenship during a criminal investigation or to penalize someone knowingly transporting illegal immigrants during the commission of a crime. Speeding or driving without proper equipment could be considered crimes.

The law is not as strict when compared to the new immigration law passed in neighboring Alabama. Still, the law has impacted the way Latinos in Dalton live and act. Some Latino-owned businesses on the town’s main boulevard have been abandoned.

“Police are racist here,” one bakery owner who did not want to be identified told CNN. “Buildings around us have closed. Look,” he said, pointing out the window to a group of vacant buildings across the street.

The image is a lingering reminder of the sea change Dalton went through just a few years ago.

‘We needed workers’

Dalton, known as the “Carpet Capital of the World,” went through an economic boom in the late 1980s. Demand for labor in the carpet mills reached an all-time high.

“Twenty years ago, when there was close to 300, 340 carpet mills. We needed workers. Everyone who wanted a job had one,” said former Dalton Mayor Jim Middleton, who welcomed the first major wave of Latino immigrants while he was in office.

Middleton, who left his mayoral post years ago, says Dalton’s carpet factories were aggressive about courting Latinos to the town.

“The carpet mills would go and send trucks to pick them up from Texas at the border and bring them back here,” he told CNN. “It just fit. It was a situation where this community had to reach out somewhere. I understand the criticism. You want them to come over legal, but with the demand of work, there just wasn’t that time to do that.”

Middleton said the town didn’t keep a record of how many Latinos immigrated to Dalton in those days, but he said the numbers were in the thousands and their arrival noticeably changed the social demographic of the town. It’s since slowed, but today, with border arrests down to levels not seen since the 1970s, experts say illegal immigration from Mexico into the U.S. is down overall.

Middleton has a good-old-boy look and Southern twang characteristic of the region around the North Georgia mountains. But his opinions on immigration fall far from those who voted in the new changes to Georgia’s immigration laws.

“If we had not been able to get people to come here from Mexico…it was so busy… the carpet industry wouldn’t be where it is without them,” he said. “It was a little bit scary to start with, but as you get to know the Hispanic community, they’re some of the finest people in the world.”

Like many other Latinos at the time, Mendez, the pastor, was recruited to Dalton, sponsored in part by non-Hispanic community leaders who saw the demographic of the town changing.

For the Latino community in Dalton, Mendez is the ambassador of American life, ushering newly arrived immigrants - most of them from Mexico– through the cultural challenges of coming to this small town. The role is exactly what he had envisioned for himself when he arrived in the north Georgia community about 20 years ago.

“I wanted to be a doctor and go into medicine, but I got a calling,” he said in between bites of the chicken and rice dish passed out to the congregation for free after the service. “This community needed leadership.”

‘Prejudices disappear and acceptance increases’

Driving through the city, the signs for businesses on the freshly-paved main boulevards rotate between English and Spanish. Beauty salons and auto body shops sit next to Mexican bakeries and taquerias. Signs in store fronts read “Se Habla Español.”

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But Georgia’s new laws are creating a new dynamic in the town, where Latinos and non-Latinos agree they’ve worked and lived together seamlessly for decades. Hispanics aren’t considered a “novelty,” said community leader Jim Baird, but rather, a part of Dalton.

“When people become familiar with each other on a one-to-one basis, a lot of the prejudices disappear and acceptance increases. That’s happened in Dalton because so much time has elapsed,” Baird said.

Baird, 69, is a Boston native who moved to Dalton in 1971. After encouraging more Latinos to move to the city in the 1980s, he started Centro Latino to help Latinos learn English, learn to get green cards or offer life skills instructions on cooking and financial planning. Centro Latino has since dissolved, but the retired social worker has continued his mission to help integrate Latinos into the community by teaching classes in community rooms or the backs of restaurants.

“I started doing it because I wanted to improve my Spanish language skills,” he said. “The mystery of the different cultures turns out to be no mystery at all. People are people.”

But prosperity and acceptance have not touched everyone in the Latino community, especially those without documentation to be in the U.S.legally.

‘It’s not like it used to be’

Ten years after moving to Dalton from Guerrero, Mexico, Minerva, who did not want to want to be identified by last name, said she feels safe in Dalton, but it’s tough to find work without immigration papers.

“The factories are always an option for Latinos to work, but sometimes we get treated poorly by the Latinos who have risen in the ranks of the factories,” she said after leaving Mendez’s church. “Those who get papers and naturalize don’t pay back into the community. They are the ones who treat us the worst. Not the whites. It’s very difficult to find work here. It’s not like it used to be.”

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But local public school teacher Dalia Martinez-Santiago said many Latinos, at least those with children, will find a way to stay.

“We started this school year with more [English for speakers of other languages] students than last year,” she said. “The families are staying here.”

Martinez-Santiago came to Dalton in 1997 from Monterrey, Mexico, as part of the Georgia Project, a private program started by a non-Latino community member.

With the influx of Latinos, community leaders felt their school system needed Spanish-speaking teachers to help the newly arrived students and their families. The Georgia Project offered teachers from Mexico a three-year stint in Dalton. In exchange, about 30 teachers from Dalton went to Mexico to learn about the culture and education system. Today a handful of teachers, like Martinez-Santiago, remain in the city.

“I see this as home. It’s where I met my husband and where I have decided to raise my two sons,” Orlando, age 7, and Jose, age 5, she said.

“My own kids, even though they’re Mexican and have the culture, they’re Americans. They integrated because we did. A lot of the other Latino kids did too. They assimilate. They integrate. We celebrate Thanksgiving.”

Santiago-Martinez said her kids are typical Dalton kids - vaguely aware of what adults call “immigration issues.”

“Sometimes they talk about their friends’ parents not being with them (because they’ve been arrested or deported),” she said.

But they don’t have a strong sense of what makes races or ethnicities different. Their friends have white skin, and brown skin, the boys said.

That attitude seems to prevail among Daltonians, whether they’re new residents or they've resided in Dalton for awhile. The Georgia Project and Centro Latino, which were created to help Latinos assimilate, were discontinued because they were no longer needed. Today, there are also fewer carpet mills so there’s less of a demand for immigrant labor.

Two decades after arriving in Dalton, Mendez said his church has seen a lot of change, but he plans on being around to witness more.

“Our people are staying in Dalton,” he said, “and we are staying in Dalton.”

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    April 9, 2012 at 8:38 am | Report abuse |
  2. p

    im so intrigued to hear that these people pick the crops...do the jobs that americans wont do...blah blah blah...the state i live in these people only been here for the last 10 or 15 years – who did all this before their arrival – did the crops pick them self..did the burgers flip themselves?? seems like jobs stolen to me

    January 7, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
  3. KeninTexas

    They said "but it’s tough to find work without immigration papers." ,,,, Okay, isn't that the way it should be? If you're illegal, you are not supposed to be here are you? Just how hard is that to understand? This companies and their shills are the reason the country has this problem. They are so greedy that they lure people from other countries and showing them how to break the law. These illegal immigrants are for the most part just trying to improve their life. And who can blame them? But this doesn't mean they can break the law doing it. Too many of them exploit the welfare system that has to be paid by legal citizens. No one with any common sense can condone this kind of activity. Look just at the hospital costs that go unpaid by illegals who crowd the emergency rooms, get treatment and just skip out. This runs into the billions of dollars of extra expenses. Again, it's the employers who hire them that should be vigorously prosecuted. If there are no jobs for illegals, it should stop this inflow from other countries. And then congress has to get their act together and work out a workable guess worker permit system and immigration policy.

    January 2, 2012 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |
  4. JOSE0311USMC


    January 2, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Hank

    Soon white America will know with it is like to be a minority

    December 28, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOSE0311USMC


      January 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Report abuse |
  6. SeanK

    Too bad the carpet factories didn't court the whites or blacks looking for work rather than run busses to TX looking for illegals. Too bad the carpet factories didn't raise their pay a dollar or so to attract local labor. These factories are clean and quiet. They are not like Tyson chicken factories or rendering plants. They broke the law. Period.

    December 28, 2011 at 8:09 pm | Report abuse |
  7. JOSE0311USMC


    December 23, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
  8. anon

    i live in dalton, dalton was amazing there was jobs everywhere all the time, everyone got along blacks whites Hispanics

    it was crazy i always looked at dalton as a super small city were everyone new each other, the mini highways were always packed.

    but ever since the the crack down on immigration. everything went downhill fast, i left dalton for a year while it was still prosperous , when i came back it was heartbreaking seeing this once beautiful small town a ghost town, because thats what it was nothing but a ghost town the streets were no were as close to busy as they used to be

    you would see hundreds of cars pass by every minute. now you see like 5-10 cars evrey minute
    the town is dead

    its were i grew up its were all my friends and family are

    its just sad seeing it so empty

    oh and this is to you lilibit

    my sister is an american raised and born

    but we never got any benifits from her being a citizen we never got any social security help at all

    we servived thanks to pure will and our family sending money to us to survive in the country we call home

    i was born in mexico brought here illigally as a baby i did not hop no border i did not cross no river i simply was carried here as baby

    i know nothing but the united states i was raised being told i was american

    then one day while i was talking trash about my own country "mexico" my mom broke it to me she told me i was really born in mexico she told me i was an illegal

    i bet you dont know how it feels to be told that at 11 years old its horrible i bursted out crying telling her why would she say that, my life ended that day, i was now living on borrowed time , i sarted to think that i am now put into the catergory of every other illegal immagrant, i watched the news and watched people say how they didn't want us here even if we were brought here without our consent

    but why why would you want to kick someone out that mentally is american knows nothing but america , to a country that he knows nothing about has no memories of his real country
    i may not be physically american but i am american and i dont care what anyone says

    im not leaving my country my only hope is for the dream act

    if the dream act does not get passed soon then my only way out is through a gun im tired of being depressed and thinking about my future that i might not get.

    for now i live for my mom and brother and sister if nothing changes then i see know point in staying in this world.

    December 23, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • SeanK

      I feel bad for you. You should be very angry with your mother. You don't even know Mexico or your home town. Yes we need to find a solution for children who grow up (illegally) in the US. But the parents are still guilty of violating US Federal law.

      December 28, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • JOSE0311USMC


        January 2, 2012 at 12:37 pm | Report abuse |
  9. JOSE0311USMC


    December 22, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Michae Baron

    They need workers? If only there were some people around the area who were looking for work. http://preview.tinyurl.com/7vz27of

    Jobs Americans Won't Do™

    (for $8/hr with no benefits and no safety regulations)

    December 21, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
  11. 2Legit2Quit

    If american businesses want cheaper labor they should move all their operations to Mexico! Problem solved! Everyone will go back to their country to work.

    December 20, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Johnny Young

      Whatever dude! Keep dreaming

      December 20, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Racism

    If their is one thing I can't stand its racist. Now if they illegally immigrate to the US then they are to be persecuted to the full extent of the law. But saying "the mexicans are taking my job" oh boo who. Then go to college, get a degree, or get better at your job and stop complaining. Remember. WORK will WIN when WISHING WON'T

    December 20, 2011 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
  13. brokenteeth

    Blame the feds for unbalancing everything . There will always be racism and prejudice against everyone but let justice , equality and fairness prevail.

    December 20, 2011 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
  14. truth

    Oh who are the 'Americans'? Weren't they immigrants? just saying ..

    December 19, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • ChicagoLoop

      @Truth who said, "Who are the Americans? Aren't they immigrants. Just saying." An immigrant is someone who migrates to a country other than the one in which they were BORN. Any person born in the United States of America is an American. The rest of you (who were NOT born in the United States) are immigrants when you enter this country. What a different story about immigration we would have today in the U.S. if Mexico was a developed nation. The perpetual tide of the poor infiltrating the U.S. would cease to exist. Mexicans need to resolve the dire situation of their country and build a developed nation. My advice: Turn around, go home, and get to work.

      December 20, 2011 at 8:13 am | Report abuse |
      • mannycl

        Excellent answer

        December 21, 2011 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
    • eat the truth

      They were immigrants who lawfully became citizens. That's all we ask of them. It's the law. Just like in any other country, except easier than any other country. That simple. First try making your country better. Don't come here to ruin ours. If you have something valuable to offer, then legally become a citizen. That is all.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
      • What?

        Here's the thing. Your assuming this person is mexican. Thats's wrong. And you can't get mad at someone because their government is too concerned with, oh I don't know, the mass killings of the drug cartel.

        December 20, 2011 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOSE0311USMC


      December 23, 2011 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Dalton Businessman

    So much racism. Anybody want a job creeling yarn in a 125 degree heat set plant this summer? Pays 7.50?

    I love hard working people of all races.

    Abolish free rides. No handouts for anyone but the indigent. Legalize marijuana. Tax it.
    Bring back the chain gang. If you go to prison. You will do forced labor.

    Quit Hating.
    Problems solved.

    Oh Yeah. If you are a politician who gets caught screwing the people.......forefiture of all posessions.

    December 15, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • ChicagoLoop

      Let's begin by addressing the issue of the employer paying sub-standard wages, because that IS the core of the immigration issue. Greed-driven business owners who see an opportunity to exploit workers and reap windfall profits attainable only through financial restraint placed heavily in the cost of labor production are those who support the employment of illegal immigrants. Your wage proposal of $7.50/hr. is ludicrous to American workers, yet attractive to those wandering into this country from under-developed nations, used to being paid meager wages of only a few dollars a day. The massive influx of illegal workers has eroded wages in the U.S., but has been effective in filling the coffers of those by whom they've been employed. You want to manufacture carpet in the United States, then operate a legitimate company that compensates workers with wages commensurate to their production.

      December 20, 2011 at 8:29 am | Report abuse |
      • al

        Bad news bud, the federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Thank conservatives for keeping it that low. Thank socialist/union democrats for even having a minimum wage. People like GinGRINCH want to abolish it.

        December 21, 2011 at 9:40 am | Report abuse |
    • mannycl

      I have no problem with that as long as you pay for their children's schools, their hospital bills, and all the goodies they get for free in this country, Just come to New York and you'll see that it full of Mexicans crowding the schools system, multiplying like roaches, living a bunch in an apartment and bankrupting hospitals. Besides that's a Mexican problem not ours.

      December 21, 2011 at 10:02 am | Report abuse |
    • JOSE0311USMC


      December 23, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • daltongirl

      i agree with you, i am a 9 generation american i am cherokee/irish decent i have lived in dalton 45 years i was born here in 1967 the problem isnt a race issue its a work issue. the last 15 years it seems like if you are legal you cant get a job because they just dont want you. my cosuin was fired because he didnt know spanish the people next door to me are american-mexicans and because they are legal they are having a hard time geting work i was told the only way they could keep their jobs is if they acted like they were illegals and thats a shame. now the carpet mills are closeing there is no work for any one legal and non legal something has to be done. my heart goes out to the illegals but we have to put our own town first. i dont see homeless illegals on the street but just inside town there are about 20 to 30 homeless ameriacans living in a park and out behind bilos these people are not bums most of them are just to old to work. if we cant help our own people we shouldnt let in outsiders

      June 25, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
  16. DSBsky

    Really? You need workers? That's your reasoning? Well the united states economy needs "TAXABLE" revenue and all the illegals do not give back to the country at all. They evade taxes and we the people pay for them every day. We pay for their school supplies and medical care, we pay for all the government assistance and most of us won't even have have pension or retirement funds the ways things are now.

    You think we should keep shelling out money like Obama did to the unemployment issues? Did that help? No it did not and neither will letting in more illegals. You want to be here that's great. But do it legally and pay like the rest of us or your just a blight to our community and a dead weight, tied to our ankles, slowly drowning us.

    Thanks for being so considerate of our needs and not just your own when you came over here, thinking only about yourselves. So we should stop caring about our own well being and care more about the people who didn't care about us?
    Now we get to pull their dead weight and pay the taxes they should be paying.. How "fair" is that?

    December 15, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Missoula

      Burl (2011) is absolutely correct. “You don’t hafta to be a genius to give an uneducated opinions.”

      December 15, 2011 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Welfare

      Your also paying for the people who sit at home all day without a job, drive Hummers, and live on stamps because of LBJ's new welfare idea. It's not just immigrants who eat up our tax money. 90% of it is the people on welfare who think the taxpayers of America owe them something.

      December 20, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • wondering

      So, you're native American? You weren't here because your ancestors immigrated to the U.S.?

      December 25, 2011 at 9:02 am | Report abuse |

    America is slowly becoming a new kind of "Hitler" Socialism.

    December 15, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
  18. GordonZ

    Our fed government and presidents (current and previous) could solve this problem easily. Just enforce the immigration law as enforcing other laws. No new laws are needed. However, they talk year after year, nothing has been done. They can talk another 10 or 20 years, the problem will still be there if they do not enforce the law of the land. Illegal is illegal. Stealing is stealing, Killing is killing. Is is is. It's that simple. Any excuse is not going to help.

    December 15, 2011 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
  19. Fred

    If you feel you must move to the country that my ancestors built, please respect and try to assimilate into american culture rather than forcing your foreign culture on us. America is a melting pot, not a chopped salad.

    December 15, 2011 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |

      Who built this country? Oh, it was built on the backs of force labor (aka slavery)

      December 16, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • tonya miller

        after it was taken from the native americans.....dont remember them ever getting a chance to assimilate.....when white mans culture was forced on them. Freds a pucking poron.

        December 20, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • tonya miller

        not to mention the native americans........dont really remember them being given a change to assimilate to the new culture when whites came and slaughtered them for thier land.....fred's a puckin poron

        December 20, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
  20. CynicalOne

    Soooo, are they having a labor shortage or not? I live a few hours from there and would be willing to move to red neck country for a decent job.

    December 15, 2011 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
  21. Rich

    The mexicans are the only people who want to work ....It's the white trash that sits around doing meth and oxys...

    December 15, 2011 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Ali

      So, apparently you think it's OK to make racist comments about Americans to attempt to justify law breaking by illegal aliens. Fact is, illegal aliens are liars, cheats, and line jumpers.

      December 15, 2011 at 9:54 am | Report abuse |
      • Mr.Limon

        Her comment was not racist, and you do not know what in the hell you are talking about. Please go walk in front of a train.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:28 am | Report abuse |
      • situationalawareness

        Actually no, it's correct. By very definition, illegal immigration is cheating the system & "line-jumping". Only the facts were spoken.

        December 22, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Barry

      People forget that latinos have had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of years to improve their latino countries. People make a home what it is. People make a town what it is. People make a country what it is. If their countries of origin is crap, who made it crap? The people that's who. Their latino countries are so messed up they don't even want to live there. People make a country what it is. And people bring with them, who they are. Coming here won't change them. They will make this country crap too.

      December 15, 2011 at 10:13 am | Report abuse |
      • You're a f00l

        Funny, that's exactly what the Native Americans – you know, the only REAL Americans – said of you and your family.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
      • Mr.Limon

        Something tells me "Barry" hasnt ever seen another country outside of the U.S.A and is merely demonstrating the racist ignorance and fear of brown folks that so many in this country have exhibited because of the failing economy caused by their Anglo counterparts. Place your misery where it belongs you frightened little schoolgirl, grow a pair and confront your blue eyed brethren.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
      • situationalawareness


        It sounds like your idea of an anglo is from some world war 2 german propaganda film of blonde haired/blue eyed boys and girls. Calm down, get with the times, and look around you.

        December 22, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2cnts

      Thats fine Rich,think it's ok for people to take the law in to their own hands? Still think its ok when it's a two way street? Sounds like a story told in the history books..

      December 24, 2011 at 10:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • daltongirl

      rich that is so untrue its not because americans are lazy its because they want cheap workers who will work over time day in and day out for next to nothing and wont complain. do you think an american would work that hard for pennies no we wouldnt. my aunt worked at a big time carpet mill in dalton from the time it opend till she was way in her 60s and when she was let go she got noting from them. she wasted her life away in that mill working 6 days a week 12 hours aday. she was far from being lazy

      June 25, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Odin999

    Why can't the Federal Government just do their job? Deport all illegal aliens, secure the border and fine anyone who hires an illegal. That is the law. If the Federal Government had been doing its job this would not have happened.

    December 15, 2011 at 9:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Mr.Limon

      Did you read the entire article you blowhard? Cheap labor was brought in by the truckload to work the carpet mills, by AMERICAN COMPANIES!! This has been going on since the industrial revolution, this country imports as much immigrant spine to work the fields, mills,rails,stockyards,etc as it takes to reap more profits regardless of the "Federal Law". So go back to reading The Turner Diaries and leave the real thinking to grown folks, you goosestepping robot!

      December 15, 2011 at 10:43 am | Report abuse |
      • situationalawareness

        You in no way rebutted what he/she said. You just threw insults out, hoping that it clouded the conversation.
        Please, stop with the slurs and insults, and have constructive conversations/rebuttals. Thanks.

        December 22, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Rich

    If they voted for the GOP they would be welcome.....don't ya get it.....votes

    December 15, 2011 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
  24. Carl29

    This situation is not the fault of illegal immigrants – They are only taking advantage of an opportunity this Country provided for them. If you want someone to blame, then blame US businesses who break the law by hiring them, as a means to get around US labor law and fair market value pay. Next blame the right-wing half of our Country that constantly demands no oversight, no regulation of businesses, and weak enforcement of law in this area.
    If the USA wanted to correct this situation, it would be pretty easy – But the truth is, businesses want it this way, because breaking the law in this way allows them to rake in more cash for themselves.

    December 15, 2011 at 9:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Ali

      Sure, businesses want it this way–and so does the government of Mexico. Illegal aliens are also to blame–they CHOOSE to come here illegally rather than pushing for reforms in their own countries. Mexico, for example, is one of the richest countries in the world and home to the world's richest man, yet Walmart creates more jobs there than he does!

      December 15, 2011 at 9:55 am | Report abuse |
      • Mr.Limon

        What do you know about the culture and present political climate of Mexico? And WALMART creating jobs?, good paying jobs with benifits? Its only a matter of time before that company is responsible for repealing the minimum wage and cultivating a bigger class division just so you and the rest of the lazy nitwit teabaggers can buy Doritos and soda by the crateload for 50 cents.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
  25. barbiedahl

    It amazes me that these companies shipped all of these people in!!!! And now that they've used them up, they want to spit them out saying that the they are illegal. It's true they are illegal. But that didn't stop them from hiring them to work for them!! And probably paid them pennies on the dollar to what they would have paid a regular American!!! So basically it's ok for companies to hire them, but god forbid they live in these towns!! All of a sudden they're aren't good enough and are ignorant, as some keep saying above. Yet this article is only about Latino immigrants. We keep forgetting about all the other illegals from other countries that come here illegally. What about them??

    These companies and their rich owners are the guilty ones for breaking the law!!!! Why aren't they in jail??? Why aren't they being prosecuted??? They broke the law too!!!! I could say that most of the owners of these companies are white and I'd probably be right!! We don't hear anyone here complain about white people who are breaking the law!! Or all the bankers and wall street hedge fun managers who stole billions upon billions of dollars from our pockets and yet not one single one of these white people are in jail!!!!

    December 15, 2011 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      If you want to see racism –really ugly racism watch what happens when blacks are around Mexicans (different from Latinos) . Many Mexicans do not like blacks though Mexican girls often like black men–it seems the women are the problem. When an attractive black woman is around a bunch of Mexican women–they can be very hostile to her. I know this and I have seen it especially in TX, they really get upset if they see a Mexican man with a black female.

      December 15, 2011 at 9:29 am | Report abuse |
      • Zafarrano Wolffe

        Latinos are different than Mexicans? What planet do you live on?

        December 15, 2011 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
      • UmYeahOk

        must be a texas thing because out here in Cali...that's TOTALLY not the case...actually most black men that I know tell me its the black women that drive them out of thier own race...and yes mexican people are very racists...if your too dark you get made fun of if your too light you get made fun of...but again, being mexican and growing up in East Los Angeles black men are almost NEVER on the top of latina's list...usually its the white boys and then latinos....i think black men are attracted to latina's (as is most of the world) but having three sisters and all thier friends I know for sure black men are at the bottom of that list...sorry just what i've seen and grown up around...

        December 15, 2011 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
      • ignorance

        to queenbee and umyeaok, u both sound ridiculous.. I'm in the military and i've seen the most Latino/black couples there, than in ANY part of the world.. umyeaok, Latino woman are worse than white women when it comes to black men in some parts of LA (my bestfriend who's a Latina is married to a dark chocolate man from Georgia and so is her sis) and i know for a fact Latino men in TX love black women because thats where i met and married my husband of 4 yrs, u and ur 3 sisters don't speak for a race, no more than the community where u experienced ur hostile moments queenbee.. The world is diverse, and different ppl like different things, and some ppl like what that they know. there's no science too it.. u two sound prejudice when u try to generalize a race based off ur own experiences and families.

        December 22, 2011 at 9:21 am | Report abuse |
      • situationalawareness

        Yes, Latino is another (badly made) term that basically can be "Hispanic". It encompasses from South America to mexico. "Mexican" on the other hand is emcompassing a country, alone.

        December 22, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Carlos

    Latino here (obviously)... Wow! There's a lot of racism!

    I absolutely consider myself much smarter than most Americans, in fact, I speak better English (and without an accent) than most of Americans and I've been in this country 6 years. There are a lot of latinos out there who contribute greatly to this country. Now, just like in the news, people only see the bad things, so you only know about the latinos that are in gangs, that are murderers, illegals, child abusers, etc.

    Please know, this latino is a Mechanical Engineer, speaks 3 languages, has a website about Prime Numbers, Builds Telescopes as a hobby, rides his bicycle to work (To help my pockets, to flip off oil producing countries, and to go green), pays his taxes, and loves the American way of life. But is also really annoyed by the bigots that roll their eyes when they hear him speak spanish.


    December 15, 2011 at 8:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Cathy Middleton

      One question: did you come here by means of the legal process? If so, congratulations! If not, shame on you.

      December 15, 2011 at 9:11 am | Report abuse |
      • Carlos

        That's a funny question... I came here quite legally, only thing is the only immigration overhaul the government discusses is helping out Illegals!! It has been 6 years and I still don't have a green card, in fact my latest visa renewal is 4 months in limbo! I will eventually get a green card, but it is a plight! My wife is not allowed to work, I have to renew my license every year (always get a really angry teller interrogating me), and I've spent 10's of thousands of dollars in immigration fees! It's a great business the government isn't willing to part with! It almost makes productive people like me consider alternative countries. Imagine that, make it easier on illegals and give hell to the bright minds that come to this country! Really, all modesty aside!

        December 15, 2011 at 9:18 am | Report abuse |
      • Albert Einstein

        F U Cathy (spoken from an American born in the USA–in the south, no less). Cathy, did YOU come to this country legally?

        December 15, 2011 at 9:27 am | Report abuse |
      • Carlos

        "If not, shame on you"

        I find this phrase so utterly hilarious! People are so blind!

        December 15, 2011 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
      • You're a f00l 2

        Before calling Carlos' hand, show us YOUR cards.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Zafarrano Wolffe

      Great reply, Carlos. Remind readers, also, as you create such responses, that Spain once owned half of the United States and, also, that until the middle 1800s, Mexico owned Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California and the lower half of Colorado. Many Mexican families have lived on US soil longer than - or as long as - the East-Coast, invading forces from Europe, aka, Pilgrims.

      December 15, 2011 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
      • daltongirl

        i cant belive all the things im reading here. i do agree with some but not all like i have said before the problem has noting to do with race. and have people forgotten that a lot and i mean a lot of mexicans are native american. what makes them mexican is what side of the border they were born on. i am half native american and proud of it as well as being proud of my Irish side. if we dont like how america is being run lets vote them out of office. sponcer people of our own choice. lets not put all the blame on people who just want a better life. i am an american and i know i would like a better life. my dad worked hard all of his life untill he was in an accdent and hurt his back he died with out ever geting his disabillity and back then we didnt get food stamps or any kind of help if we didnt plant it we didnt eat. i was born with a disbillity so i couldnt help out as much as i wanted and in the 70s if you couldnt walk you didnt go to school. so i know about all kinds of predjutices (and i cant spell) its like this the rich get richer and they dont care how they get that way and the rest of us just get poorer. both countries need to stand up and do something!

        June 25, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ali

      Carlos, just why is it you're HERE and not in your home country? Could it be that opportunities are better for you here? Ignoring, of course, the fact that the US has record unemployment and that programs such as H1-B enable employers to keep employees under their thumbs–and to put AMERICAN workers out of work. Your post also implies that despite the drawbacks of the program (including the fact that your wife can't work without getting her own visa), you'll put up with that because of the eventual green card. Fact is, many of those who have gotten green cards find out that they're now competing with what they once were, H1-Bs–and being displaced by them.

      As for people cringing when you speak Spanish, you're surely aware of the large number of Hispanic illegal aliens we have in this country, most of whom do NOT speak English and make little attempt to, preferring that WE learn Spanish and provide services in their language. I wonder if your homeland would be nice enough to accommodate me by providing services in English for me if I were there illegally–or even legally? When I lived in Turkey, it was up to me to provide my own translators and some of the locals were none too happy when I spoke to them in English and not Turkish. And Turkey doesn't even have a lot of American illegal aliens–just tourists.

      December 15, 2011 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
      • Carlos

        Do you really believe I should leave?

        December 15, 2011 at 10:49 am | Report abuse |
  27. scott

    Not sure who they spoke with about the Latinos and Whites living in harmony. I live near there and do not see that same story, especially without the anesthetic of the jobs boom we saw in the past.

    December 15, 2011 at 8:42 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      This is the age old voice of discrimination and racism. Many people would like to believe ALL of any group is just like the few highlighted in the news–but the odd thing is–when some races do that, they only think all other groups besides their own is a condemnation of a race but they seldom think when people of their own race are like that that is condemns THEIR entire race.

      December 15, 2011 at 9:03 am | Report abuse |
  28. Jorge

    Aside from the fact that illegal immigration is a very real problem in the U.S. today, a lot of the posts here reflect a mindset that is about the same as that expressed below the Mason Dixon line during the 1950s, when literacy was about 50% on average. I'm convinced that if all the illegal immigrants were removed today, this country would fare no better academically, technologically or culturally (although there would be a wealth of jobs for the unskilled boneheads), because the human material for it is simply not there. By the way, before you start to spew, know that I was born in NYC, my father is a retired Army noncom who was born in Puerto Rico and I like to play Salsa quite loudly in my drafting/plan room, thank you.

    December 15, 2011 at 8:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Ali

      Jorge, if illegal aliens were removed, we'd still fare poorly academically because we'd still have plenty of minorities who do poorly on the international tests and draw down our average. You forget–we've had nearly fifty years of Third World immigration, and what we see now in our schools is the result of that.

      December 15, 2011 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
  29. Mike R

    One word: Manifest Destiny. Kharma is b__ch, ain't it......

    December 15, 2011 at 4:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Mike R

      That was two words by the way.
      America is becoming an idea that many years of tv and movies shaped. Real america is really world-wide, thanks to the global outreach of the internet. So, be free in your minds, and everything else will follow....

      December 15, 2011 at 5:15 am | Report abuse |
  30. skrappy

    Once Mexicans have a majority in this country, they will continue to be the same cruel, corrupt, immoral, and godless people they are in their home land. -Count on it. This country will be a sewer of ignorance and gang-warfare. There will be no going back. Ever heard of a town called L.A,?

    December 15, 2011 at 3:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Ralph Bones

      I've been to Mexico many times nice place to visit ! But what a messed up country !!! It's the most violent , corrupt country I've ever seen !!!! And most of the people are not to smart !!!!
      Don't forget mexicans are not a race they are mixed breeds !! So it's not there fault ! And you can't blame them for wanting a better life by coming here !!

      December 15, 2011 at 5:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Daniel

        Did you honestly just say "and most of the people are not to smart" ?! Not TOO smart, honey. I love when people think they're high and mighty and can judge people but don't know simple things like the differences between to, two and too, or your and you're. Educate yourself before you insult others.

        December 15, 2011 at 7:34 am | Report abuse |
      • queenbee10

        Ralph: People are not dogs or other animals no such thing as a breed among humans. The correct spelling for "it is not there fault" is "not their fault" If it is a country where the people are not too smart–sounds like you would fit right in. On second thought , stay right where you are, because the US is a country with far more mixing in races going on than Mexico will ever have.

        December 15, 2011 at 9:08 am | Report abuse |
      • jersey3038

        If you go back far enough we're all half breeds. Oh and it is their fault. They need to fix their house not break into mine. Can you imagine your roof leaking really bad so you just move into your neighbors house and they have no say in the matter? We need tougher laws. As for the textile companies needing workers. BS they want workers for less than a fair wage. Put those who hire illegals in jail and watch them deport themselves.

        December 19, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • capcity

      ur a jacka$$

      December 15, 2011 at 8:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Barry

      You are so right. People forget that latinos have had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years to improve their latino countries. People make a home. People make a town. People make a country what it is. If their countries of origin is crap, who made it crap. The people. Coming here won't change them. They will make this country crap too.

      December 15, 2011 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
  31. skrappy

    CNN has to sensor me, because I know the truth. We're being FOOLS. America!

    December 15, 2011 at 3:26 am | Report abuse |
    • scott

      ....."sensor," nice

      December 15, 2011 at 8:39 am | Report abuse |
    • queenbee10

      That would be "censor" a sensor is something that detects movement or heat and is usually found on security equipment or weapons. The illiteracy in our country is appalling–so, do you say a dieter wants to "loose some weight" or "lose some weight"? LOL

      December 15, 2011 at 9:11 am | Report abuse |
  32. Happy

    the white trash people can't work in this kind of job because they're too lazy

    December 15, 2011 at 3:16 am | Report abuse |
  33. skrappy

    YOU PEOPLE IN DALTON ARE NUTS!!! -Take from a Californai guy, The Mexican's won't stop coming. -Ever. Same as Earl, Arkansas, and a few other Southern Towns I could mention. In a year the "Bilingual only" jobs will be the only ones in the paper. In three years, you will be completely overrun. Five years, you'll be looking at criminal gangs moving in, and corrupt Mexican Politicians (Like we have in California) GO AHEAD. Let these people STEAL YOUR FUTURE! What can any of you Americans recieve if you go to Mexico??? -NOTHING! This is wrong! Americans should have those jobs! OCCUPY DALTON GEORGIA! -PUSH THE INVADERS BACK!

    December 15, 2011 at 2:51 am | Report abuse |
    • ken

      Blaming Mexicans for coming here illegally is about like blaming a rattlesnake for biting. The ones at fault for this situation are the ball-less wonders in Washington. Maybe we could bribe them to pass immigration reform, bribes seem to be the only things that get their attention.

      December 15, 2011 at 8:56 am | Report abuse |
      • Ali

        Politicians are likewise doing what comes naturally–lying and cheating. No surprise there. But "doing what comes naturally" does NOT absolve you of responsibility or consequences.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Lives in Dalton

      Only the people who grew up in Dalton know the real truth, the carpet industry wanted cheap labor, at or below minimum wage and they found it with the illegals. It put a lot of people who have lived here forever out of work. The illegals get food stamps, free medical and public housing, something most real americans have a very hard time getting even when they really need it. The illegal mexicans claim enough dependents so they are not with holding taxes, they live multiple families in one house to share living expenses and send most of their paycheck back to Mexico. Just try to mail a package at the post office, it is lined up with purchases of money orders to send back to help more come across the border illegally. And yes to get a job in Dalton you already are required to speak spanish. They are not required to learn to speak english!!!!! even though most do, they just don't want you to know they can. Since the demand for carpet has been replaced with hardwoods and tiles, manufacturing is shutting down all over the area, the jobs go with it.

      December 15, 2011 at 9:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Murphsmom

      I live in Dalton and I have to drive 50 miles one way to work because all the jobs in financials I see are for bilinguals. I don't speak Spanish, but I have an MBA and I can't be considered. Ridiculous to me...

      December 15, 2011 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
      • Lives in Dalton

        I also have to drive 48.9 miles one way, to another state, Chattanooga TN because I too do not speak spanish. But I have to pay Georgia State income taxes even though Georgia can't provide me with a job BUT Georgia needs the money to pay for the illegals welfare I guess, that should also be against the law if your state can't provide you with a job and you have to drive out of state to have a job, even if that state does not have a income tax, you shouldn't have to pay states taxes that has no jobs.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:47 am | Report abuse |
  34. ComeOnMan9

    I looked up one day and every where I turned there were latinos. I would be wee bit concerned but I never hear much of a peep out of them because they work 10-12 hours every day and you? They don't lounge in ER's with stupid problems because they got work to do. Some times they get jobs to come in and help rehab the place you lay around in waiting for a job to fall in your lap.

    December 15, 2011 at 2:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Ali

      Strange as it may seem to you, what illegal aliens are doing NOW is the very thing my immigrant grandparents fought against 100 years ago–and that resulted in today's labor laws which illegal aliens are breaking. YOU benefit from a "cheap" worker who'll work 12 hour days without overtime. And you'll benefit because you don't have to pay SS or workers comp. If the illegal alien gets sick or injured, we pay for it, literally. For example, a couple of illegal aliens have been injured falling off roofs and ended up paralyzed. They cost hospitals (and by extension, the rest of us who pay taxes or for insurance) millions of dollars because they can't be released to nursing homes for custodial care. Yet, you think it's just great that you can get "cheap" labor. And that's not counting the costs of the kids and the services they use.

      December 15, 2011 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
  35. Dalton Native

    I am a Dalton, GA native and I want someone to please print OUR side of the story for a change, but I won't hold my breath as I wouldn't expect CNN to give a hoot what these ILLEGALS have done to our town. The millionaire carpet owners had one thing, and one thing only on their mind when they hauled the illegals by the busloads to our town. CHEAP LABOR = BIGGER PROFITS! They have put thousands of native Americans out of jobs and some now live in tent cities while the taxpayer gets stuck with the tab of keeping these illegals and their broods of kids up through food stamps, Medicaid and WIC. The carpet mill owners raked in the millions while we got the shaft. Now our town looks like a filthy third world country while the millionaires rest well at night behind their gated community, while we kept up their illegal employees. Someone please do a story on our native citizens please as this article is just another sob story to drum up pity for the poor illegal aliens and their broods. We're fed up!

    December 15, 2011 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Johnny Young

      Why has your town turned into something like a third world country ? Is it because you see brown skinned people all over the place or is it because the carpet industry has collapsed like the auto industry and the town has no funds to maintain infrastructure ? Either way, you can't blame the latinos for the state your town is in, can you ?
      Wake up racist pig and get a job!

      December 15, 2011 at 3:25 am | Report abuse |
      • Mighty7

        ...Probaby because this yokel thinks anyone who isn't pasty white and protestan is evil. Standard Southern Logic.

        December 15, 2011 at 3:53 am | Report abuse |
      • Matt

        I think what he is referring to is the fact that these Mexicans, instead of embracing their new home, come in and turn it into Mexico or destroy it. Take a look at any predominantly populated mexican neighborhood or society and you will see a S**t hole (East L.A., East San Diego, Mexico). Not all Mexicans are this way, just the overwhelming majority. There is a lack of discipline missing in the family values and it starts at birth and is perpetuated by every generation. If Mexicans ever want to stop getting the bad rap they get, they must start raising their children with some better values. If that ever starts happening, Mexico could start thriving and we wouldn't get so many illegals. In that case Mexico may start getting illegals from North of the border. But that is a pipe dream because it is not in the majority Mexican mentality.

        December 15, 2011 at 8:51 am | Report abuse |
      • Murphsmom

        I agree with Matt. I live in Dalton and grew up in neighboring Calhoun, GA (about 20 miles away.) I wouldn't say Dalton is a third world country, but there are areas I definitely stay away from. My husband and I went to buy a house this year and it was hard for us to find a neighborhood we could afford that hadn't been "trashed" by multiple family living. I'm sure other factors play a part but when you have 5 cars parked in front of a house and kids toys and bikes and other objects scattered around your front yard you can't help but think that it's a multiple family living situation. We looked at renting too and our realtor took us to a condo with 4 bedrooms 3 baths. He said they have a lot of problems with those condos because they legally can rent to 8 tenants (2 per bedroom) and it just becomes a major problem. As a Daltonian, this is one of my major problems! I feel like it's running down our neighborhoods.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
      • Ali

        Johnny Young, it may surprise you, but Latino isn't a race. Latinos may be and are of any race, including White. Moreover, the Census reports that 70% of Hispanics also identify as being racially White. Now, why YOUR assumption that the illegal workers in this town are NOT White? What a racist idea.

        Fact is, Latino is an ethnicity and Latinos bring their culture with them. Many of those coming illegally are probably the least educated of their countries and the issue is more of CLASS than of ethnicity. The educated (and legal) Latinos I know would be horrified to keep farm animals on their property in the 'burbs, to throw trash in the streets, or to seek out and rape young girls–all of which has been done by Latino illegal aliens in this area and others and justified in the name of "culture".

        December 15, 2011 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
      • Dalton Native

        Johnny, the way I see it, you have no dog in the race and when you have no argument, you result to playing the race game. Typical liberal mindset.

        December 15, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • cowboy

        Your the pig,go waller in the mire you have made,-lattina

        December 16, 2011 at 8:20 am | Report abuse |
    • ATR

      Your rant make NO SENSE.

      December 15, 2011 at 8:06 am | Report abuse |
    • ChicagoLoop

      Call upon the media to tell your side of the story; the rest of the country wants to hear it. I concur that the employers who willfully employed illegal immigrants are to blame for the dire situation we have in our country surrounding the entire issue of illegal immigrants. (Johnny Young, who posted below, obviously failed to understand your position or he wants to deflect attention away from the real issues concerning illegal employment and its devastating impact on the Dalton, GA community. ) Maybe Dalton is the next place for the fed to begin a clean-sweep to send all illegal immigrants back to their respective countries. The tide has turned, a wave will follow.

      December 20, 2011 at 8:45 am | Report abuse |
  36. vee greene

    blacks/colored is more accurate more diverse/are just as accomplished as whites.-required reading slavery by another name who do you think built this country for free.. You must start at the beginning to understand the end.It is impossible to get up when there is a foot on your neck. try harder( please.!!!!This is a repeat of the 30,s propaganda AA,s
    don,t fall in the --.It is still there, open your eyes.You were created ,you did not appear from nothing. Remember that ! no- hype.Stay BLACK AND PROUD>IT IS YOUR BIRT RIGHT.

    December 14, 2011 at 11:17 pm | Report abuse |
  37. Economystic Extraordinaire

    The NUMBER ONE issue to tackle which incidentally will solve five major national financial problems at once is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. The best way to CREATE JOBS is to deport all illegal immigrants NOW. First that will create thousands and thousands of seriously needed immigration and border patrol agent jobs right off the bat. Second, as the illegal immigrants are removed and deported the jobs they leave will be available for TRUE AMERICANS. Third, by having TRUE AMERICANS employed then the TAXES WILL BE PAID to the government (instead of the employers of illegal immigrants keeping that money to avoid being detected for employing illegal immigrants). Fourth, by deporting illegal immigrants we SAVE OVER A TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR as a nation since hard working TRUE AMERICANS currently pay taxes to support THE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND WELFARE BEING USED BY THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO WILL NO LONGER BE HERE. (NOT COINCIDENTALLY THIS IS ALMOST EXACTLY EQUAL TO OUR ANNUAL NATIONAL BUDGET DEFICIET) Fifth, we won't be spending real taxpayer dollars on health (including anchor babies) education and welfare on multiple fraudulent/fake identifications for each of these individuals. And finally, as a BIG BONUS it will prove to America and the rest of the world that we are serious about getting our country back on our feet which is the biggest inducement (GLOBAL CONSUMER CONFIDENCE) that will be immediately affected. America and the world need to witness this confidence. Finally, we will show everyone we are serious about protecting our country and our borders from terrorists.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • NatAz

      u cannot use the phrase "true americans" to denote US citizens; any person born in the Americas is a "true american" and the Americas encompas North, Central, and South America.

      December 15, 2011 at 1:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Johnny Young

      Hey tool....read the following article before talking about illegals taking your jobs!


      December 15, 2011 at 3:29 am | Report abuse |
      • Ali

        The Pew Hispanic Center reports that only 25% of agricultural jobs are done by illegal aliens. The rest are done by legal workers. So, we do NOT "need" illegal aliens to do this work. You might also note that we have LEGAL guest worker programs for seasonal agricultural work, so any claims that farmers can't get legal workers are bogus. Moreover, there are only about 2 million agricultural jobs in total, but roughly 8 million illegal alien workers, so more than 6 million illegal aliens are doing non agricultural jobs, using stolen SS numbers. ICE audits regularly turn up such illegal aliens working alongside AMERICANS at jobs Americans obviously are doing.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
    • ATR

      Well maybe if America had not "taken, stolen, strong armed, or robbed" the Native Americans of their land then we would not be in this situation now would we?

      December 15, 2011 at 8:11 am | Report abuse |
      • Ali

        Maybe if the Spanish hadn't raped, pillage, and robbed the Native peoples of what is now not only the United States, but Mexico and Latin America, we wouldn't be in this situation. How is it that with several hundred years of Spanish rule and influence, Mexico and Latin America are STILL not places Latinos seem to want to live?

        And remember, Americans are just as ethnically mixed as Latinos, meaning that plenty of "White" and "Black" Americans actually have Native American ancestors.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Economistic sez what?

      As soon as you get the Border Patrol volunteers (they'll work for no salary, of course, unless you increase government agency expenditures – people, infrastructure, et al) and a list of legal American citizens to do that kind of work for that kind of salary, I may consider your concept.

      December 15, 2011 at 10:40 am | Report abuse |
  38. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Farmers won't pay enough and offer the benefits that Americans deserve. The farmer I read about in Georgia was paying $2 for a 20 lb box of tomatoes. Tomatoes sell for $2 per lb. So the 20 lb box is worth $40 and the picker only gets $2? That's 5%. When I worked the fields when I was a kid it was 25%, 5X what the farmers pay now. In most states the prison system is allowed to use prisoners for labor as long as they don't use them to make a profit. So most prison labor in fields is to supply food to the prison system only.

    Basically what you have is these farmers using those convicts for their labor except that those illegals haven't been processed into the prison system because they provide cheap labor. Prisoners get treated better than these illegal immigrants¬. The prisoners don't have to work more than 8 hours a day. Prisoners get fed, clothed and housed. The illegal immigrants don't get fed, clothed or housed and work 16 hours a day if possible.

    The best way to CREATE JOBS is to deport all illegal immigrants NOW. create thousands of needed immigratio¬n/border patrol agent jobs. Second, as the illegals are removed/de¬ported jobs will be available. Third, having AMERICANS employed TAXES WILL BE PAID instead of employers keeping that money to avoid detection for employing illegal immigrants¬. Fourth, SAVE OVER A TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR to support ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (NOT COINCIDENT¬ALLY THE NATIONAL DEFICIET)

    December 14, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mighty7

      Get a job you useless pendejo.

      December 15, 2011 at 3:56 am | Report abuse |
      • Ali

        Sounds like you need one. And I'm going to report your use of obscenities.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
  39. Economystic Extraordinaire

    George McCubbin, a president of the National Border Patrol Council, the agency's union. He believes the U.S. government needs to crack down on employers who hire illegal immigrants, increase penalties against those caught in the country illegally, cut off social services for others and put more agents at the border.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Prison labor has long been utilized to maintain prison functions. In Leavenworth prisoners operate leather shops and repair shoes and other items, they have a barber shop, and farming & ranching are major contributors to the dietary program there. They have their own dentists as well. However none of these functions can be used to profit the prison. None of these services are offered to outside consumers. In this country you can not profit off prison labor. It is a definite good way to train inmates to work so that they have a skill and a work ethic when they are released.

    I repeat, it is against the law to profit from prisoner labor. For instance in the south most notably Georgia recently, farmers are complaining that they can't use illegal immigrants for farm labor because of new laws there. In effect they were using prison labor except that those illegal immigrants were not prosecuted before they were put to work at the very same work that prison laborers perform. Illegal immigrants however work up to 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. The prisoners work no more than 8 hours a day 5 days week and get food, clothing and housing which the illegal immigrants do not.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:54 pm | Report abuse |
  41. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Farmers won't pay enough and offer the benefits that Americans deserve. The farmer I read about in Georgia was paying $2 for a 20 lb box of tomatoes. Tomatoes sell for $2 per lb. So the 20 lb box is worth $40 and the picker only gets $2? That's 5%. When I worked the fields when I was a kid it was 25%, 5X what the farmers pay now. In most states the prison system is allowed to use prisoners for labor as long as they don't use them to make a profit. So most prison labor in fields is to supply food to the prison system only.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:54 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Basically what you have is these farmers using those convicts for their labor except that those illegals haven't been processed into the prison system because they provide cheap labor. Prisoners get treated better than these illegal immigrants. The prisoners don't have to work more than 8 hours a day. Prisoners get fed, clothed and housed. The illegal immigrants don't get fed, clothed or housed and work 16 hours a day if they can.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:52 pm | Report abuse |
  43. Economystic Extraordinaire

    If this border issue is going to be such a divisive issue I think we should establish a DMZ zone along the entire border. Anyone caught in the middle, just like in the Korea DMZ, is subject to be shot. We should fill the rio Grande with perahna fish and cotton mouth water moccocins.

    Even Canada is starting to build a wall/fence/moat to keep the messickans that are freely crossing our border into America from entering Canada. That is how bad this is getting.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:50 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Economystic Extraordinaire

    It is not hate, it is the law; a law that has been being abused by too many, for too long. It is time to stop the abuse. We hate being abused. We want it stopped. This is the way to stop it.

    We have immigration laws to prevent many abuses-criminals, health concerns, overcrowding and others. Right now there just too many illegal immigrants in our country. We have long passed the man who sank the lifeboat using the lifeboat paradox in which everyone wants in the lifeboat but too many will sink the lifeboat.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Its not the work – ITS the MONEY. If farms would pay a decent wage then
    Americans would do the work but the farmers know they don't have to pay decent wages because there are so many illegals here that will work for substandard wages in substandard conditions for excessive hours with no benefits. (And democracy is supposed to support human rights. This is the kind of capitalism overkill that prompted child labor laws, building codes resulting from the sweatshop fires, etc. )

    "Many immigrants, both legal and illegal, take jobs that few native-born Americans would willingly occupy." Americans are unwilling to take those jobs at the wage, benefit and working conditions that criminals accept. If the employers would pay The American Standard, Americans would take the jobs. By utilizing criminal labor, employers can reduce their costs. As all employers, collectively, commit this injustice that reduces the value of the outcome of their production efforts, and again collectively, devalues our GDP and our country.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Carl29

      Exactly. It's a way for businesses to get around paying minimum wage or fair market value for work. If you want to blame someone, blame the businesses and citizens who support letting businesses do whatever they want (no serious oversight/regulation/enforcement of laws). It's not the illegal immigrants fault; they are just taking advantage of an opportunity that our Country provided for them.

      December 15, 2011 at 8:59 am | Report abuse |
  46. Economystic Extraordinaire

    We just need to continue to give them the incentive to leave. More drug busts, more employer busts, more deportations. And announce that they will all have 6 months to leave the country at which time they will be arrested and DNA profiled and put on work camps near the border in the desert areas of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona for two years then they can walk home to mexico. Also after the 6 month grace period we need to place a bounty on them. $10 a piece; $20 for any employer who hires them and any landlord who houses them. Those landlords and employers will be fined $1,000 per day for each illegal they house or employ.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Put an import tariff on all goods from those countries that these illegal immigrants originate from. Mexico-Corona beer, fruits and vegetables, cars, trucks anything we import to America from Mexico and Central and South America – put a tax on it such that the total funds will be enough to capture, house, maintain and return the illlegals, and pay to protect our borders from their people. Increase the price of visas from those countries too. If they want to get here make them pay for it. Then we can use the money to pay for sending them back.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Here is the answer:I believe an acceptable compromise would be to change the 14th Amendment (remember, ratified in 1968, this was not something the founding fathers wrote) to require at least one parent to be a U,.S. citizen to allow the born child to be a citizen, and if it is the father then a DNA test would be required. Naturally if the mother is a U.S. citizen the witnesses at birth will be able to swear witness to the fact that she gave birth. Also we leave previously so called anchor babies with their citizenship and those without American citizenship illegal immigrants be required to leave. These people knew the risks when they entered the country illegally. The time has come to pay the piper. I am sure they wanted a better life for their children-they got it. The price for that is to go home. Give them a year and then if caught in American illegally they will be banned forever.

    It wouldn't be fair to deport the "anchor babies," but it is fair to deport anyone who is here illegally. So let's draw the line there. Give the people who are here illegally a year to leave. That is not an amnesty for a year. If they are caught here in that year as illegals they will be deported and not allowed back for 7 years. As previously suggested that if they are caught here after the year they are banned forever.
    Now for the Amendment: Change it. This Amendment was ratified in 1968. This was not something the founding fathers could have anticipated. It is creating a problem so we need to fix that. It is not like we have never fixed an amendment before (18,21).

    December 14, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Johnny Young

      On seeing all your countless posts here, it looks like you have too much time on your hands. You seriously need to go look for a job....OH WAIT.....your job has been taken by the illegals! darn it!! Those illegals!!!

      What a nut job you are....there poor workers only do jobs that pathetic losers like you wouldn't dare to do....

      December 15, 2011 at 3:32 am | Report abuse |
      • Dalton Native

        Johnny, instead of finding a job, why don't YOU go back to school and learn to spell? LOLOL Or better yet, find a city to occupy as this seems to be your mindset.

        December 15, 2011 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
  49. jimzcarz

    Just another issue we've waited too long to fix...

    December 14, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Anne

    These statistics, if a person is called "Latino" because of the great-great-great-great-father was latino, it looks like there is more latino population than it really is. A person born in USA and with parents born in USA, you should be called "American" that's it, even if your last name is Lopez, Piazza, Schwartz...it should not matter. I find so ridiculous how in this country the statistics by race and ethnicy are so important. Really, nobody should be called minority and everybody should have the same rights.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • pogojo

      they dont really want to be american, they want to remain latino.

      December 14, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Anne

        And Italians remain Italians, Polish remains Polish, everybody keep some of their culture.

        December 14, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |

        "AMERICAN" is a nationality.

        "LATINO" is a cultural groups united by language, culture, and heritage.

        December 14, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Guest

      I agree with you. Some of my friend have parent that came from other countries and they do not identify as Latino or other nationalities,for the simple they were not born in that country.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:46 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Ramon F. Herrera

    The funny thing is that the ones filled with hatred are the same ones who go to church every Sunday.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • TiredOf Illegals

      YOU are part of the problem as YOU don't know what the difference to what a illegal and legal immigrant is amigo.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • minime111

        Amigo–You know the difference alright. You're smart. Only problem is that you are never happy–you see an illegal Latino–You hate his ass. You see a legal Latino , you hate him too.Damn if you do and damn if you don't. Moral of the story is, "What's the big deal about knowing the difference between the two?"

        December 14, 2011 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Chicano 2.0

        Your response has nothing to do with what he said, and in fact serves to illustrate his point. You are a bitter, racist, miserable excuse of a human being who is unable to face the truth of the shifting demographics of this country. Not a single one of your inane, ignorant, and bigoted remarks will alter how this country evolves.

        Immigrants, legal and otherwise, will continue to come to this country and raise their children here. The generations born here will learn English, assimilate into American culture, and demonstrate their superiority to the cringing, whining, woefully undereducated masses to which you belong. I teach, and I see both these immigrants and their children and how hard they work to make their lives better, not wasting their time hiding behind a computer screen spitting racist invective and misspelled gibberish.

        All your moaning and all your impotent rage can do nothing to change this. And my grin could not be broader.

        December 15, 2011 at 3:12 am | Report abuse |
      • skrappy

        One question, Chicano. Why do all the new Immigrants have to be Mexicans? And If Mexicans are such godly, hardworking, and family-oriented people, why can't they build a country they can live in? Why to you need to invade a nation of White Trash and Black Ignoramuses? -Makes no sense. What you people want is to double-dip. -Have your cake while eating someone else's too. How can you take pride in shifting demographics that will eventually un-make this country? I want to be there the day you realize that a country full of Mexicans is in nobody's best interest. -least of all YOURS.

        December 15, 2011 at 3:40 am | Report abuse |
  52. Ramon F. Herrera

    “The carpet mills would go and send trucks to pick them up from Texas at the border and bring them back here,”

    It is not an INVasion
    If you are INVited

    December 14, 2011 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • TiredOf Illegals

      IDIOT wetbac. Figure out what the difference is to what a illeagl and legal is.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • minime111

        You need to learn how to spell.

        December 14, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • scooby

        you are so idiot the first thing you need to do is go back to school and learn how to write

        December 14, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mensaboy

      So we should throw the carpet mill execs in jail along with their illegal workers. I have no issue with that.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ali

      It is if you're "invited" by people who don't have the authority to "invite" you–and companies don't have that authority. They can apply for visas for you, but if they bring you in illegally or help you to work illegally, they're guilty of breaking the law and so are you.

      December 15, 2011 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
  53. Ramon F. Herrera

    Este sistema de foro es una gran cagada de mierda!!

    December 14, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • x3zy

      Ummm .... has dicho una mala palabra! Tú también eres un racista ya que no lo dijo en Inglés! Usted está en serio!

      December 14, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        2 malas palabras.

        December 14, 2011 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chicano 2.0

      هذا المنتدى هو نظام سخيف القرف!
      Овај форум је јебено срање!
      এই ফোরামের সিস্টেম একটি যৌনসঙ্গম বিষ্ঠা!
      מערכת הפורום הוא חרא מזוין!

      December 14, 2011 at 8:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • joepub

      ♠ ♣ ♥ ♦

      December 14, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • TiredOf Illegals

      Va faire in culo amigo.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Ramon F. Herrera

    "If current Hispanic voting and demographic trends continue (*), as early as 2020 the Republican party will be unable to get enough electoral college votes to win another presidential election EVER"

    – The Wall Street Journal, not quite a liberal rag

    (*) The trends have accelerated, thanks to Arizona and the Tea Party.

    Political pundits are trying to predict how long will it be between the time Hispanics become a majority in Texas (they are already, in Houston) and the time the GOP ceases to be a national political party.

    December 14, 2011 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • JavaBen

      No, you've got it wrong. All of the Americans that aren't extremest leftists will bail out of the Democratic party and move to the Republican party, leaving the Democrats only without any independent voters, and any voters that can think for themselves and work to support themselves. So the Democrats better enjoy their last and final election.

      December 14, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        When can we expect your study and article in the Wall Street Journal? Anytime soon?

        December 14, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        De Nile is not just a river in Egypt. The Repubs are committing Demographic suicide.

        December 14, 2011 at 9:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ramon F. Herrera

      With all due respect:


      December 14, 2011 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Del

      But illegals can't vote, or do they vote illegally? Democrats want illegals to become legal so they will then have the papers to show that they own them. DEMOCRATS own Latinos!!!

      December 15, 2011 at 12:46 am | Report abuse |
      • JOSE0311USMC


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  55. oscar

    One way to stop them coming and breeding like rats and absorb our social services is to forfeit from them any welfare, hopitals services, schools,food stamps and so forth. Me and my wife pay thousands of dollars in taxes so they can deliver babies for free, go to schools for free , get free citizenship?? c'mon wake up America.
    Shame for those senators Robert Menendez and Luis Gutierrez who defend people who BROKE the law. This is a country of law!!! and nobody is above the law!!!

    December 14, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chicano 2.0

      My wife and I have paid thousands of dollars in taxes to pay for the free education of these sub-literate Americans, the welfare checks of countless American trailer trash NASCAR and pro wrestling fans, and support the right of the ignorant blue State cretins to continue to take their right to vote for granted, but who pay to call in to American Idol. Maybe these racist folks should go back to the countries their forefathers came from.

      December 14, 2011 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • x3zy

        As a white man who lives in a trailer, I am completely offended with your ignorant stereotypes of us by saying that you give us the shirts on our backs! We wear wife-beaters, thank you very much! Don't sell yourself short...you also support Pres Obama's illegal aunt who lives in public housing in Boston who exists on food stamps while not working a single day in over five years!!

        December 14, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • What

      These latinos show up everywhere these days

      December 14, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Anne

      I think you could say the same without your offensive first sentence.
      Don't bring your traumas and complex to the forums, it gives bad karma.

      December 14, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • minime111

        Anne–Please get your guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        December 14, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • scooby

      if you have no papers you can't not get food stamps, or welfare so don' lie

      December 14, 2011 at 11:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lilbit

        If they have a child born in the U.S (anchor baby) then they are eligible for food stamps and all the other types of social welfare that the US offers..

        December 15, 2011 at 7:45 am | Report abuse |
      • Lives in Dalton

        That is the way it should be, but not in Dalton. Lilbit... the laws need to be changed, just because a mother makes it illegally into the US, it should not be the responsibility of Americans to support her child. No other country does this. Our laws were written in good faith but have long been abused by people who want everything given to them but not willing to do anything for it. I really don't have a problem with people from other country coming to the US as long as they go through the process, become citizens and abide by our rules and laws.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:04 am | Report abuse |
      • situationalawareness

        In Arizona, you can.

        December 22, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
  56. wallace

    Ok conrad, try this. What country has the most useful inventions to the world?

    December 14, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chicano 2.0

      Ok wallace, try this. What country has enslaved the most Africans throughout the last 200 years?

      December 14, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • TiredOf Illegals

        And what country that borders the southern USA is a pick of crap? Ahh..it's Methico! Stay home and help your own country.

        December 14, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Frank

        Only 5% of slaves arrived in what is now the United States. The vast majority went to Latin America and the Carribean. Get an education.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
  57. wallace

    Conrad, sorry you carved out a meek living and show dislike to an American that has followed all rules and manners and pursued my happiness thru hard work. I enriched this country and hate no one. I post because I see soo many that don't want to contribute to this country. I'm half scottish and half american indian. Ask what not of your ....legal citizens can fill in the blank.

    December 14, 2011 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chicano 2.0

      "Ask what not of your ....legal citizens can fill in the blank." Okay, I can't do this any longer. Please do yourself a favor open a book instead of the TV Guide.

      December 14, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • TiredOf Illegals

        YOU suck. Go back to Mexico and take 10 million of your amigos back with you.

        December 14, 2011 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Phoenix_MAN

    THIS JUST IN – crime has surged in Georgia – record numbers of homicide, theft, and assault. Why these numbers aren't published with the unvarnished proof that illegals bring these things with them, we will never understand.

    December 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • conrad

      Where is the evidence that it is all Latino crime?

      December 14, 2011 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Stunned

        Holy Cr@p!,..these people breed like rats!

        December 14, 2011 at 7:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        Baggers need no evidence, only hatred (plus ignorance).

        December 14, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • gfg

      crime is at the lowest rate in decades...try again

      December 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ramon F. Herrera

      > we will never understand.

      Because it is a lie, based on hatred.

      December 14, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • TiredOf Illegals

        It is based on illegals. Speak the truth and you're a racist huh? Idiot.

        December 14, 2011 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
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