After Latino boom, Georgia town's population shifts again
Some in the large Latino community in Dalton, Georgia, gathered to celebrate their church's 30th anniversary.
December 12th, 2011
07:19 PM ET

After Latino boom, Georgia town's population shifts again

By Nick Valencia and Leslie Tripp, CNN

Dalton, Georgia (CNN) - Pastor Ernesto Mendez looked over his congregation as sunlight poured through the windows of the Iglesia Bautista Nueva Vida church one recent Sunday afternoon. The church was celebrating its 30th anniversary, and some 300 parishioners, nearly all of them Latino, were there to hear the service in Spanish.

On a projection screen behind them, there was a sentence in Spanish: “God sent Rev. Ernesto to Dalton for us.”

In this small southern town near the Tennessee border, it’s not uncommon to see huge crowds of Latinos gathered at church, at work or in school. The Latino population grew for decades as workers came to work in the city’s carpet and textile industry. As of 2010, 48% of the city’s 33,000 residents were Latino, according to the U.S. Census.

But Georgia’s new immigration law, known as HB 87,  has caused some concern for Dalton’s Latino community. The law has been in effect about six months, though some of the strictest parts of the bill are under a court challenge. Those provisions would give officers the right to check for citizenship during a criminal investigation or to penalize someone knowingly transporting illegal immigrants during the commission of a crime. Speeding or driving without proper equipment could be considered crimes.

The law is not as strict when compared to the new immigration law passed in neighboring Alabama. Still, the law has impacted the way Latinos in Dalton live and act. Some Latino-owned businesses on the town’s main boulevard have been abandoned.

“Police are racist here,” one bakery owner who did not want to be identified told CNN. “Buildings around us have closed. Look,” he said, pointing out the window to a group of vacant buildings across the street.

The image is a lingering reminder of the sea change Dalton went through just a few years ago.

‘We needed workers’

Dalton, known as the “Carpet Capital of the World,” went through an economic boom in the late 1980s. Demand for labor in the carpet mills reached an all-time high.

“Twenty years ago, when there was close to 300, 340 carpet mills. We needed workers. Everyone who wanted a job had one,” said former Dalton Mayor Jim Middleton, who welcomed the first major wave of Latino immigrants while he was in office.

Middleton, who left his mayoral post years ago, says Dalton’s carpet factories were aggressive about courting Latinos to the town.

“The carpet mills would go and send trucks to pick them up from Texas at the border and bring them back here,” he told CNN. “It just fit. It was a situation where this community had to reach out somewhere. I understand the criticism. You want them to come over legal, but with the demand of work, there just wasn’t that time to do that.”

Middleton said the town didn’t keep a record of how many Latinos immigrated to Dalton in those days, but he said the numbers were in the thousands and their arrival noticeably changed the social demographic of the town. It’s since slowed, but today, with border arrests down to levels not seen since the 1970s, experts say illegal immigration from Mexico into the U.S. is down overall.

Middleton has a good-old-boy look and Southern twang characteristic of the region around the North Georgia mountains. But his opinions on immigration fall far from those who voted in the new changes to Georgia’s immigration laws.

“If we had not been able to get people to come here from Mexico…it was so busy… the carpet industry wouldn’t be where it is without them,” he said. “It was a little bit scary to start with, but as you get to know the Hispanic community, they’re some of the finest people in the world.”

Like many other Latinos at the time, Mendez, the pastor, was recruited to Dalton, sponsored in part by non-Hispanic community leaders who saw the demographic of the town changing.

For the Latino community in Dalton, Mendez is the ambassador of American life, ushering newly arrived immigrants - most of them from Mexico– through the cultural challenges of coming to this small town. The role is exactly what he had envisioned for himself when he arrived in the north Georgia community about 20 years ago.

“I wanted to be a doctor and go into medicine, but I got a calling,” he said in between bites of the chicken and rice dish passed out to the congregation for free after the service. “This community needed leadership.”

‘Prejudices disappear and acceptance increases’

Driving through the city, the signs for businesses on the freshly-paved main boulevards rotate between English and Spanish. Beauty salons and auto body shops sit next to Mexican bakeries and taquerias. Signs in store fronts read “Se Habla Español.”

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But Georgia’s new laws are creating a new dynamic in the town, where Latinos and non-Latinos agree they’ve worked and lived together seamlessly for decades. Hispanics aren’t considered a “novelty,” said community leader Jim Baird, but rather, a part of Dalton.

“When people become familiar with each other on a one-to-one basis, a lot of the prejudices disappear and acceptance increases. That’s happened in Dalton because so much time has elapsed,” Baird said.

Baird, 69, is a Boston native who moved to Dalton in 1971. After encouraging more Latinos to move to the city in the 1980s, he started Centro Latino to help Latinos learn English, learn to get green cards or offer life skills instructions on cooking and financial planning. Centro Latino has since dissolved, but the retired social worker has continued his mission to help integrate Latinos into the community by teaching classes in community rooms or the backs of restaurants.

“I started doing it because I wanted to improve my Spanish language skills,” he said. “The mystery of the different cultures turns out to be no mystery at all. People are people.”

But prosperity and acceptance have not touched everyone in the Latino community, especially those without documentation to be in the U.S.legally.

‘It’s not like it used to be’

Ten years after moving to Dalton from Guerrero, Mexico, Minerva, who did not want to want to be identified by last name, said she feels safe in Dalton, but it’s tough to find work without immigration papers.

“The factories are always an option for Latinos to work, but sometimes we get treated poorly by the Latinos who have risen in the ranks of the factories,” she said after leaving Mendez’s church. “Those who get papers and naturalize don’t pay back into the community. They are the ones who treat us the worst. Not the whites. It’s very difficult to find work here. It’s not like it used to be.”

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But local public school teacher Dalia Martinez-Santiago said many Latinos, at least those with children, will find a way to stay.

“We started this school year with more [English for speakers of other languages] students than last year,” she said. “The families are staying here.”

Martinez-Santiago came to Dalton in 1997 from Monterrey, Mexico, as part of the Georgia Project, a private program started by a non-Latino community member.

With the influx of Latinos, community leaders felt their school system needed Spanish-speaking teachers to help the newly arrived students and their families. The Georgia Project offered teachers from Mexico a three-year stint in Dalton. In exchange, about 30 teachers from Dalton went to Mexico to learn about the culture and education system. Today a handful of teachers, like Martinez-Santiago, remain in the city.

“I see this as home. It’s where I met my husband and where I have decided to raise my two sons,” Orlando, age 7, and Jose, age 5, she said.

“My own kids, even though they’re Mexican and have the culture, they’re Americans. They integrated because we did. A lot of the other Latino kids did too. They assimilate. They integrate. We celebrate Thanksgiving.”

Santiago-Martinez said her kids are typical Dalton kids - vaguely aware of what adults call “immigration issues.”

“Sometimes they talk about their friends’ parents not being with them (because they’ve been arrested or deported),” she said.

But they don’t have a strong sense of what makes races or ethnicities different. Their friends have white skin, and brown skin, the boys said.

That attitude seems to prevail among Daltonians, whether they’re new residents or they've resided in Dalton for awhile. The Georgia Project and Centro Latino, which were created to help Latinos assimilate, were discontinued because they were no longer needed. Today, there are also fewer carpet mills so there’s less of a demand for immigrant labor.

Two decades after arriving in Dalton, Mendez said his church has seen a lot of change, but he plans on being around to witness more.

“Our people are staying in Dalton,” he said, “and we are staying in Dalton.”

soundoff (481 Responses)
  1. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Farmers won't pay enough and offer the benefits that Americans deserve. The farmer I read about in Georgia was paying $2 for a 20 lb box of tomatoes. Tomatoes sell for $2 per lb. So the 20 lb box is worth $40 and the picker only gets $2? That's 5%. When I worked the fields when I was a kid it was 25%, 5X what the farmers pay now. In most states the prison system is allowed to use prisoners for labor as long as they don't use them to make a profit. So most prison labor in fields is to supply food to the prison system only.

    Basically what you have is these farmers using those convicts for their labor except that those illegals haven't been processed into the prison system because they provide cheap labor. Prisoners get treated better than these illegal immigrants¬. The prisoners don't have to work more than 8 hours a day. Prisoners get fed, clothed and housed. The illegal immigrants don't get fed, clothed or housed and work 16 hours a day if possible.

    The best way to CREATE JOBS is to deport all illegal immigrants NOW. create thousands of needed immigratio¬n/border patrol agent jobs. Second, as the illegals are removed/de¬ported jobs will be available. Third, having AMERICANS employed TAXES WILL BE PAID instead of employers keeping that money to avoid detection for employing illegal immigrants¬. Fourth, SAVE OVER A TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR to support ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (NOT COINCIDENT¬ALLY THE NATIONAL DEFICIET)

    December 14, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mighty7

      Get a job you useless pendejo.

      December 15, 2011 at 3:56 am | Report abuse |
      • Ali

        Sounds like you need one. And I'm going to report your use of obscenities.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
  2. Economystic Extraordinaire

    George McCubbin, a president of the National Border Patrol Council, the agency's union. He believes the U.S. government needs to crack down on employers who hire illegal immigrants, increase penalties against those caught in the country illegally, cut off social services for others and put more agents at the border.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Prison labor has long been utilized to maintain prison functions. In Leavenworth prisoners operate leather shops and repair shoes and other items, they have a barber shop, and farming & ranching are major contributors to the dietary program there. They have their own dentists as well. However none of these functions can be used to profit the prison. None of these services are offered to outside consumers. In this country you can not profit off prison labor. It is a definite good way to train inmates to work so that they have a skill and a work ethic when they are released.

    I repeat, it is against the law to profit from prisoner labor. For instance in the south most notably Georgia recently, farmers are complaining that they can't use illegal immigrants for farm labor because of new laws there. In effect they were using prison labor except that those illegal immigrants were not prosecuted before they were put to work at the very same work that prison laborers perform. Illegal immigrants however work up to 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. The prisoners work no more than 8 hours a day 5 days week and get food, clothing and housing which the illegal immigrants do not.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:54 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Farmers won't pay enough and offer the benefits that Americans deserve. The farmer I read about in Georgia was paying $2 for a 20 lb box of tomatoes. Tomatoes sell for $2 per lb. So the 20 lb box is worth $40 and the picker only gets $2? That's 5%. When I worked the fields when I was a kid it was 25%, 5X what the farmers pay now. In most states the prison system is allowed to use prisoners for labor as long as they don't use them to make a profit. So most prison labor in fields is to supply food to the prison system only.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:54 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Basically what you have is these farmers using those convicts for their labor except that those illegals haven't been processed into the prison system because they provide cheap labor. Prisoners get treated better than these illegal immigrants. The prisoners don't have to work more than 8 hours a day. Prisoners get fed, clothed and housed. The illegal immigrants don't get fed, clothed or housed and work 16 hours a day if they can.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:52 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Economystic Extraordinaire

    If this border issue is going to be such a divisive issue I think we should establish a DMZ zone along the entire border. Anyone caught in the middle, just like in the Korea DMZ, is subject to be shot. We should fill the rio Grande with perahna fish and cotton mouth water moccocins.

    Even Canada is starting to build a wall/fence/moat to keep the messickans that are freely crossing our border into America from entering Canada. That is how bad this is getting.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:50 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Economystic Extraordinaire

    It is not hate, it is the law; a law that has been being abused by too many, for too long. It is time to stop the abuse. We hate being abused. We want it stopped. This is the way to stop it.

    We have immigration laws to prevent many abuses-criminals, health concerns, overcrowding and others. Right now there just too many illegal immigrants in our country. We have long passed the man who sank the lifeboat using the lifeboat paradox in which everyone wants in the lifeboat but too many will sink the lifeboat.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Its not the work – ITS the MONEY. If farms would pay a decent wage then
    Americans would do the work but the farmers know they don't have to pay decent wages because there are so many illegals here that will work for substandard wages in substandard conditions for excessive hours with no benefits. (And democracy is supposed to support human rights. This is the kind of capitalism overkill that prompted child labor laws, building codes resulting from the sweatshop fires, etc. )

    "Many immigrants, both legal and illegal, take jobs that few native-born Americans would willingly occupy." Americans are unwilling to take those jobs at the wage, benefit and working conditions that criminals accept. If the employers would pay The American Standard, Americans would take the jobs. By utilizing criminal labor, employers can reduce their costs. As all employers, collectively, commit this injustice that reduces the value of the outcome of their production efforts, and again collectively, devalues our GDP and our country.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Carl29

      Exactly. It's a way for businesses to get around paying minimum wage or fair market value for work. If you want to blame someone, blame the businesses and citizens who support letting businesses do whatever they want (no serious oversight/regulation/enforcement of laws). It's not the illegal immigrants fault; they are just taking advantage of an opportunity that our Country provided for them.

      December 15, 2011 at 8:59 am | Report abuse |
  9. Economystic Extraordinaire

    We just need to continue to give them the incentive to leave. More drug busts, more employer busts, more deportations. And announce that they will all have 6 months to leave the country at which time they will be arrested and DNA profiled and put on work camps near the border in the desert areas of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona for two years then they can walk home to mexico. Also after the 6 month grace period we need to place a bounty on them. $10 a piece; $20 for any employer who hires them and any landlord who houses them. Those landlords and employers will be fined $1,000 per day for each illegal they house or employ.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Put an import tariff on all goods from those countries that these illegal immigrants originate from. Mexico-Corona beer, fruits and vegetables, cars, trucks anything we import to America from Mexico and Central and South America – put a tax on it such that the total funds will be enough to capture, house, maintain and return the illlegals, and pay to protect our borders from their people. Increase the price of visas from those countries too. If they want to get here make them pay for it. Then we can use the money to pay for sending them back.

    December 14, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Economystic Extraordinaire

    Here is the answer:I believe an acceptable compromise would be to change the 14th Amendment (remember, ratified in 1968, this was not something the founding fathers wrote) to require at least one parent to be a U,.S. citizen to allow the born child to be a citizen, and if it is the father then a DNA test would be required. Naturally if the mother is a U.S. citizen the witnesses at birth will be able to swear witness to the fact that she gave birth. Also we leave previously so called anchor babies with their citizenship and those without American citizenship illegal immigrants be required to leave. These people knew the risks when they entered the country illegally. The time has come to pay the piper. I am sure they wanted a better life for their children-they got it. The price for that is to go home. Give them a year and then if caught in American illegally they will be banned forever.

    It wouldn't be fair to deport the "anchor babies," but it is fair to deport anyone who is here illegally. So let's draw the line there. Give the people who are here illegally a year to leave. That is not an amnesty for a year. If they are caught here in that year as illegals they will be deported and not allowed back for 7 years. As previously suggested that if they are caught here after the year they are banned forever.
    Now for the Amendment: Change it. This Amendment was ratified in 1968. This was not something the founding fathers could have anticipated. It is creating a problem so we need to fix that. It is not like we have never fixed an amendment before (18,21).

    December 14, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Johnny Young

      On seeing all your countless posts here, it looks like you have too much time on your hands. You seriously need to go look for a job....OH WAIT.....your job has been taken by the illegals! darn it!! Those illegals!!!

      What a nut job you are....there poor workers only do jobs that pathetic losers like you wouldn't dare to do....

      December 15, 2011 at 3:32 am | Report abuse |
      • Dalton Native

        Johnny, instead of finding a job, why don't YOU go back to school and learn to spell? LOLOL Or better yet, find a city to occupy as this seems to be your mindset.

        December 15, 2011 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
  12. jimzcarz

    Just another issue we've waited too long to fix...

    December 14, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Anne

    These statistics, if a person is called "Latino" because of the great-great-great-great-father was latino, it looks like there is more latino population than it really is. A person born in USA and with parents born in USA, you should be called "American" that's it, even if your last name is Lopez, Piazza, Schwartz...it should not matter. I find so ridiculous how in this country the statistics by race and ethnicy are so important. Really, nobody should be called minority and everybody should have the same rights.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • pogojo

      they dont really want to be american, they want to remain latino.

      December 14, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Anne

        And Italians remain Italians, Polish remains Polish, everybody keep some of their culture.

        December 14, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |

        "AMERICAN" is a nationality.

        "LATINO" is a cultural groups united by language, culture, and heritage.

        December 14, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Guest

      I agree with you. Some of my friend have parent that came from other countries and they do not identify as Latino or other nationalities,for the simple they were not born in that country.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:46 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Ramon F. Herrera

    The funny thing is that the ones filled with hatred are the same ones who go to church every Sunday.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • TiredOf Illegals

      YOU are part of the problem as YOU don't know what the difference to what a illegal and legal immigrant is amigo.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • minime111

        Amigo–You know the difference alright. You're smart. Only problem is that you are never happy–you see an illegal Latino–You hate his ass. You see a legal Latino , you hate him too.Damn if you do and damn if you don't. Moral of the story is, "What's the big deal about knowing the difference between the two?"

        December 14, 2011 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Chicano 2.0

        Your response has nothing to do with what he said, and in fact serves to illustrate his point. You are a bitter, racist, miserable excuse of a human being who is unable to face the truth of the shifting demographics of this country. Not a single one of your inane, ignorant, and bigoted remarks will alter how this country evolves.

        Immigrants, legal and otherwise, will continue to come to this country and raise their children here. The generations born here will learn English, assimilate into American culture, and demonstrate their superiority to the cringing, whining, woefully undereducated masses to which you belong. I teach, and I see both these immigrants and their children and how hard they work to make their lives better, not wasting their time hiding behind a computer screen spitting racist invective and misspelled gibberish.

        All your moaning and all your impotent rage can do nothing to change this. And my grin could not be broader.

        December 15, 2011 at 3:12 am | Report abuse |
      • skrappy

        One question, Chicano. Why do all the new Immigrants have to be Mexicans? And If Mexicans are such godly, hardworking, and family-oriented people, why can't they build a country they can live in? Why to you need to invade a nation of White Trash and Black Ignoramuses? -Makes no sense. What you people want is to double-dip. -Have your cake while eating someone else's too. How can you take pride in shifting demographics that will eventually un-make this country? I want to be there the day you realize that a country full of Mexicans is in nobody's best interest. -least of all YOURS.

        December 15, 2011 at 3:40 am | Report abuse |
  15. Ramon F. Herrera

    “The carpet mills would go and send trucks to pick them up from Texas at the border and bring them back here,”

    It is not an INVasion
    If you are INVited

    December 14, 2011 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • TiredOf Illegals

      IDIOT wetbac. Figure out what the difference is to what a illeagl and legal is.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • minime111

        You need to learn how to spell.

        December 14, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • scooby

        you are so idiot the first thing you need to do is go back to school and learn how to write

        December 14, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mensaboy

      So we should throw the carpet mill execs in jail along with their illegal workers. I have no issue with that.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ali

      It is if you're "invited" by people who don't have the authority to "invite" you–and companies don't have that authority. They can apply for visas for you, but if they bring you in illegally or help you to work illegally, they're guilty of breaking the law and so are you.

      December 15, 2011 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
  16. Ramon F. Herrera

    Este sistema de foro es una gran cagada de mierda!!

    December 14, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • x3zy

      Ummm .... has dicho una mala palabra! Tú también eres un racista ya que no lo dijo en Inglés! Usted está en serio!

      December 14, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        2 malas palabras.

        December 14, 2011 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chicano 2.0

      هذا المنتدى هو نظام سخيف القرف!
      Овај форум је јебено срање!
      এই ফোরামের সিস্টেম একটি যৌনসঙ্গম বিষ্ঠা!
      מערכת הפורום הוא חרא מזוין!

      December 14, 2011 at 8:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • joepub

      ♠ ♣ ♥ ♦

      December 14, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • TiredOf Illegals

      Va faire in culo amigo.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Ramon F. Herrera

    "If current Hispanic voting and demographic trends continue (*), as early as 2020 the Republican party will be unable to get enough electoral college votes to win another presidential election EVER"

    – The Wall Street Journal, not quite a liberal rag

    (*) The trends have accelerated, thanks to Arizona and the Tea Party.

    Political pundits are trying to predict how long will it be between the time Hispanics become a majority in Texas (they are already, in Houston) and the time the GOP ceases to be a national political party.

    December 14, 2011 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • JavaBen

      No, you've got it wrong. All of the Americans that aren't extremest leftists will bail out of the Democratic party and move to the Republican party, leaving the Democrats only without any independent voters, and any voters that can think for themselves and work to support themselves. So the Democrats better enjoy their last and final election.

      December 14, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        When can we expect your study and article in the Wall Street Journal? Anytime soon?

        December 14, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        De Nile is not just a river in Egypt. The Repubs are committing Demographic suicide.

        December 14, 2011 at 9:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ramon F. Herrera

      With all due respect:


      December 14, 2011 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Del

      But illegals can't vote, or do they vote illegally? Democrats want illegals to become legal so they will then have the papers to show that they own them. DEMOCRATS own Latinos!!!

      December 15, 2011 at 12:46 am | Report abuse |
      • JOSE0311USMC


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  18. oscar

    One way to stop them coming and breeding like rats and absorb our social services is to forfeit from them any welfare, hopitals services, schools,food stamps and so forth. Me and my wife pay thousands of dollars in taxes so they can deliver babies for free, go to schools for free , get free citizenship?? c'mon wake up America.
    Shame for those senators Robert Menendez and Luis Gutierrez who defend people who BROKE the law. This is a country of law!!! and nobody is above the law!!!

    December 14, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chicano 2.0

      My wife and I have paid thousands of dollars in taxes to pay for the free education of these sub-literate Americans, the welfare checks of countless American trailer trash NASCAR and pro wrestling fans, and support the right of the ignorant blue State cretins to continue to take their right to vote for granted, but who pay to call in to American Idol. Maybe these racist folks should go back to the countries their forefathers came from.

      December 14, 2011 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • x3zy

        As a white man who lives in a trailer, I am completely offended with your ignorant stereotypes of us by saying that you give us the shirts on our backs! We wear wife-beaters, thank you very much! Don't sell yourself short...you also support Pres Obama's illegal aunt who lives in public housing in Boston who exists on food stamps while not working a single day in over five years!!

        December 14, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • What

      These latinos show up everywhere these days

      December 14, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Anne

      I think you could say the same without your offensive first sentence.
      Don't bring your traumas and complex to the forums, it gives bad karma.

      December 14, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • minime111

        Anne–Please get your guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        December 14, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • scooby

      if you have no papers you can't not get food stamps, or welfare so don' lie

      December 14, 2011 at 11:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lilbit

        If they have a child born in the U.S (anchor baby) then they are eligible for food stamps and all the other types of social welfare that the US offers..

        December 15, 2011 at 7:45 am | Report abuse |
      • Lives in Dalton

        That is the way it should be, but not in Dalton. Lilbit... the laws need to be changed, just because a mother makes it illegally into the US, it should not be the responsibility of Americans to support her child. No other country does this. Our laws were written in good faith but have long been abused by people who want everything given to them but not willing to do anything for it. I really don't have a problem with people from other country coming to the US as long as they go through the process, become citizens and abide by our rules and laws.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:04 am | Report abuse |
      • situationalawareness

        In Arizona, you can.

        December 22, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
  19. wallace

    Ok conrad, try this. What country has the most useful inventions to the world?

    December 14, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chicano 2.0

      Ok wallace, try this. What country has enslaved the most Africans throughout the last 200 years?

      December 14, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • TiredOf Illegals

        And what country that borders the southern USA is a pick of crap? Ahh..it's Methico! Stay home and help your own country.

        December 14, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Frank

        Only 5% of slaves arrived in what is now the United States. The vast majority went to Latin America and the Carribean. Get an education.

        December 15, 2011 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
  20. wallace

    Conrad, sorry you carved out a meek living and show dislike to an American that has followed all rules and manners and pursued my happiness thru hard work. I enriched this country and hate no one. I post because I see soo many that don't want to contribute to this country. I'm half scottish and half american indian. Ask what not of your ....legal citizens can fill in the blank.

    December 14, 2011 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chicano 2.0

      "Ask what not of your ....legal citizens can fill in the blank." Okay, I can't do this any longer. Please do yourself a favor open a book instead of the TV Guide.

      December 14, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • TiredOf Illegals

        YOU suck. Go back to Mexico and take 10 million of your amigos back with you.

        December 14, 2011 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Phoenix_MAN

    THIS JUST IN – crime has surged in Georgia – record numbers of homicide, theft, and assault. Why these numbers aren't published with the unvarnished proof that illegals bring these things with them, we will never understand.

    December 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • conrad

      Where is the evidence that it is all Latino crime?

      December 14, 2011 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Stunned

        Holy Cr@p!,..these people breed like rats!

        December 14, 2011 at 7:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        Baggers need no evidence, only hatred (plus ignorance).

        December 14, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • gfg

      crime is at the lowest rate in decades...try again

      December 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ramon F. Herrera

      > we will never understand.

      Because it is a lie, based on hatred.

      December 14, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • TiredOf Illegals

        It is based on illegals. Speak the truth and you're a racist huh? Idiot.

        December 14, 2011 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
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