Perceptions of discrimination a black and white story
When it comes to discrimination, a recent study finds that blacks and whites are not always seeing the same signs.
December 12th, 2011
09:47 PM ET

Perceptions of discrimination a black and white story

By Stephanie Siek, CNN

(CNN) - A study that examines three years of opinion survey data says that black and white Americans are still miles apart regarding their perceptions of equality or inequality among blacks and whites. It identifies racial bias among whites as a potential reason for that difference in perception.

"Post-Racial? Americans and Race in the Age of Obama," released Monday by the nonprofit Greenlining Institute, found a link between white survey respondents' perception of blacks and whether they believed discriminition to be a major problem in today's society.

When asked how much discimination currently exists in America, 56.4% of black respondents said there was "a lot." Among Latinos, 26.9% gave that answer. About the same amount – 26% – of respondents who reported their race as "other" said that. But only 16% of white respondents said they thought "a lot" of discrimination existed in today’s America. The majority of white respondents said there was either "some" (44.4%) or "a little" (39.5%) discrimination.

White people who said there was "some" or "a little" discrimination were more likely to agree with statements such as "Irish, Italians, Jewish and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up. Blacks should do the same without any special favors," and, "It’s really just a matter of some people not trying hard enough; if blacks would only try harder they could be just as well off as whites."

The Greenlining Institute study analyzed data from the American National Election Panel Survey (ANES) conducted by the University of Michigan and Stanford University, as well as census data. The ANES researchers spoke with a representative sample of about 1,800 Americans on 12 occasions between January 2008 and July 2010. Greenlining is a nonprofit policy and leadership institute whose stated goal is to work for economic and racial equality.

"Americans are diversifying and if we want to keep ahead and keep America going forward, we have to acknowledge these disparities. If we don’t, it makes it hard to tackle them," said Dr. Daniel Byrd, the Greenlining Institute's research director and the study’s primary author.

Tim Wise is anti-racist essayist and activist whose work often deals with white responses to racism.  He says that white disbelief in black claims of discrimination is nothing new – and that white people need to take a closer look at why so many people of color believe they are subject to prejudice.

"I think they need to reflect on why there’s such a division," said Wise, who is white. "There’s only two ways you can interpret it: You can either interpret that [black people] are insane and borderline neurotic, that they don't know their own life; or you could look at it and say maybe black people do know their own life, and maybe it's worth listening to them about it."

Among the study's other findings:

  • Although 62% of white people questioned in the survey believed that blacks'  level of health was about the same as their own, only 43.8% of blacks agreed. But according to statistical data from the National Center for Health Statistics and the Office of Minority Health, there are definite disparities in health and health care.  As of 2007, white life expectancy at birth was 4.8 years higher than for blacks.  The infant mortality rate among black women was almost two and a half times higher than for white women. The asthma rate among black children is double that of white children.
  • More than two-thirds of black people surveyed (67%) believed that black people in general make less money than whites. But the majority of whites (59%) believed that they made about the same. According to U.S. Department of Labor statistics, blacks' median weekly earnings were as much as $500 less than the median earnings of whites between 2009 and 2011.
  • Another question asked who the U.S. government treated better: blacks or whites. Twenty-eight percent of whites believed that blacks were treated better, and 63% thought the races were treated about equally. But only 1 percent of blacks thought they were treated better, and most blacks believed that whites either received better treatment  (56.4%) or were treated about the same by the federal government (42.5%).

Why is there such a gap between how much discrimination is reported by blacks versus how much is believed to exist by whites? Wise says that the reason why whites don’t know or don't acknowledge the racism or discrimination experienced by blacks and other people of color is because they don't have to know or acknowledge it.

"No matter what I want to do with my life, to demonstrate that I know the reality of people of color is not going to be on the test," Wise said. "But for people of color to get a job, any job, they’re going to have to know the things that white folks in those fields think are valuable pieces of information. People of color have to know white knowledge, white wisdom, and what their experience is, but white people don’t have to know the experiences of people of color."

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  1. GI Joe

    Most people don't see it but there is racism within are military it just isn't in the open like
    regular society they try to sweep it under the rug, make it seem another way

    December 13, 2011 at 5:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Thor

      One of my CO's in the Navy said: " If you think that you won't ever experience racism, you need to go to Hawiaii with me. I'll show you what racism is up front, close, and personal.!"

      December 13, 2011 at 5:58 am | Report abuse |
      • OrangeW3dge

        Been there and your CO was right. But try landing in Thousand Oaks, or western South Dakota some time.

        December 13, 2011 at 6:04 am | Report abuse |
      • Thor

        ...or Miami-Dade County.

        December 13, 2011 at 6:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Sgt Slaughter

      The only racism that exists in in the military harbored by whites is how white men are continually passed up and advanced more slowly than minorities and women. There is a true disparity when 32% of your population garner over 60% of the promotions. I have seen it for years... Airmen are informed that they are going up against a female or a minority for Below the Zone or STEP promotions and their first thought is "Well I tried" followed by a sigh. This is not a racist response, it is a LEARNED response backed up by historical data!

      December 13, 2011 at 9:14 am | Report abuse |
  2. OrangeW3dge

    I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. in the 60's, and White people thought it was outrageous. Some of them would stand on the sidewalk and literally yell at us, some threw bottles and stuff. They just didn't get it. 50 years later a lot has changed, but there are still a lot of Whites that still don't get it, but they say the discrimination is mostly over? Swept under the carpet, is more like it.

    December 13, 2011 at 5:42 am | Report abuse |
  3. MikeT

    dude, that is the dumbest comment ever. Let's say my grandparents came from Italy, ok I am Italian-American, not European-American, cuz you know what country. If you are African-American it is because you cannot trace lineage due to the fact your descendants came over as slaves.
    Whereas I know know many Africans in America who do not call themselves African-America, because they were post-slavery, thus may say Nigerian-American, or Congolese in America, or whatever, but the point is they know where they are from.

    December 13, 2011 at 5:28 am | Report abuse |
    • OrangeW3dge

      Mike, no offense, but that is the core of what this is all about. You dismiss an entire culture by saying that they don't know where they come from? You need to seriously get out of the house more often because you seem to be lacking in any direct human contact.

      December 13, 2011 at 5:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Black

      I am agree with Jason why Black peoples call them-self African American none of any other nation call them-self from their origin. It is silly to give example of slavery because there are other nations too but black peoples call them-self African American because still they are first African and then American. I see more racism from Black peoples as compared with any other nation they need to come out of their world and compete openly.

      December 13, 2011 at 5:59 am | Report abuse |
  4. me

    white 79.96%, black 12.85%, Asian 4.43%, Amerindian and Alaska native 0.97%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.18%, two or more races 1.61% (July 2007 estimate) –

    Source: http://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us

    December 13, 2011 at 4:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Sarai

      white 79.96%...hmmmm...you'll need to break this down a bit. Since this % include non whites such as Hispanics/Latinos along with individuals from the ME and let's not forget those who are Jewish since they have catagorized themselves as minorities (can't have it both ways) The % would be much lower.

      December 13, 2011 at 6:04 am | Report abuse |
  5. me

    white 79.96%, black 12.85%, Asian 4.43%, Amerindian and Alaska native 0.97%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.18%, two or more races 1.61% (July 2007 estimate) –

    Source: http://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

    December 13, 2011 at 4:54 am | Report abuse |
  6. sameeker

    Wake up people! It is about class, not race. We all need to get on the same team.

    December 13, 2011 at 4:53 am | Report abuse |
  7. jim

    Yikes, CNN is censoring me. I didn't use any profanity or lewd language. Let me post, CNN!

    December 13, 2011 at 4:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Will

      They censor me all the time. Just make sure everyone understands this is not a freedom of speech area...

      December 13, 2011 at 4:44 am | Report abuse |
  8. Howard

    Maybe one reason for the disparity of viewpoints is the tremendous ambiguity in the words, "a lot," "some," and "a little." What's the quantifiable difference between "a lot," "some," and "a little?" Is it possible that someone who suffered a single, but very humiliating, act of actual racism would respond with, "a lot," even though it might have been the only real act of racism he ever personally experienced? Is it possible some of those who feel discriminated against ("I didn't get the promotion because a white person did.") are responding because of cultural influences and pressure rather than because there was any actual discrimination ("Yes, a white person got the promotion, and a lot of other white people also didn't get that promotion.")?

    If we're ever going to really understand how much racism there is in America, we're going to have to come up with some better way of measuring it than just relying on personal perceptions.

    December 13, 2011 at 4:25 am | Report abuse |
  9. jim


    December 13, 2011 at 4:20 am | Report abuse |
  10. Dan

    The only White privilege left is with the elite universities that publish many of the racial articles and studies. The Ivy League schools publish studies frequently with race as the only variable to make differences appear fully racial rather than by class. However, in their admissions, they admit legacy students, who are mostly White and wealthy, at a far higher rate than non-legacy students and then use affirmative action to force in a few minority admissions in the non-legacy students. Studies and articles like this one are nearly useless when they only factor in race and not class. Life expectancy is only mentioned by race in the article, but there is also a 4-6 year difference in life expectancy by class.

    December 13, 2011 at 3:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Sgt Slaughter

      Ivy League schools... like Dartmouth who caters to blacks and allows the black students there to form black only fraternities, allows black only dormitories, but will not allow white only dormitories, and indiscriminantly allows the black students to change the name of dorms at will to the names of militant black leaders from the founders of the university? (Cutter hall to Shabazz hall). Even after the Rodney King incident, the college even did not do anything against black members who marched up and down the main streets shouting threats at town residents like "What white boy, you think just because this isn't LA that it ain't gonna happen to you?" and "This town can burn down just like LA" because their threats were "free speech"? Maybe you should try another Ivy League school like Berkeley then... Oh we won't even get started with that one... they are all too busy bussing over to Occupy Oakland right now anyways.

      December 13, 2011 at 8:11 am | Report abuse |
  11. charms

    if you look at colleges, interracial datings are huge. isn't that post-racial?

    December 13, 2011 at 3:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Howard

      FYI, that statement sounds pretty racist to me.

      December 13, 2011 at 4:16 am | Report abuse |
  12. JP

    Let's stop talking about racism and start talking about what the real issue is.......I hate idiots. I hate white, black, hispanic, asian, Jewish, and all other forms of idiots. I give every single human being an equal chance at the beginning. But the minute a black person starts complaining about racism.....IDIOT. The minute a white person starts with the racist stuff...........IDIOT. Idiocy is at an all-time high and I think we need to stamp it out.

    December 13, 2011 at 3:46 am | Report abuse |
  13. eggy31

    Are you a Rush fan?

    December 13, 2011 at 3:35 am | Report abuse |
  14. nomad

    Who cares, K Kardashian like black guys.... anyways

    December 13, 2011 at 3:22 am | Report abuse |
    • yyz

      nomad, your post is garbled. It seems that the white power structure has intercepted your post and encrypted it!

      December 13, 2011 at 3:28 am | Report abuse |
  15. liberties101

    Umm in case you hadn't heard, CMT stands for Country Music Tv while BET stands for Black Entertainment Tv. If CMT were actually WMT (W for White) then I would agree with you.

    December 13, 2011 at 3:21 am | Report abuse |
  16. eggy31

    Nice try, greg

    December 13, 2011 at 3:15 am | Report abuse |
  17. ns


    December 13, 2011 at 2:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Seth

      NS, that was wrote in 1988. Affirmative Action and the liberal media pounding into everyone's brain that minorities are mistreated and unfairly put has essentially catipulted them to the front of everything.

      December 13, 2011 at 3:01 am | Report abuse |
  18. Thor's Hammer

    I don't have anything to add. I just think "Thor's Hammer" is a cool name.

    December 13, 2011 at 2:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Thor's Pile Driver

      Needs work.

      December 13, 2011 at 3:22 am | Report abuse |
      • Thor's Hammer

        Keep trying. I started three hours ago with "Thor's Swiss Army Knife" and just kept refining it.

        December 13, 2011 at 3:35 am | Report abuse |
      • Thor's Toolbox

        His pliers have gone missing again guys.

        December 13, 2011 at 4:31 am | Report abuse |

      It gets that way.

      December 13, 2011 at 6:03 am | Report abuse |
  19. Disciple of Eris

    I'm just tired of being profiled as a racist simply because I am white.

    December 13, 2011 at 2:37 am | Report abuse |
  20. Mauser

    You're right, but it doesn't matter. Most people are simply unwilling to pay the price attached to racial realism. It's just easier to be deliberately obtuse and continue the pretense. When it comes to race, the less you know, the more knowlegeable you are assumed to be.

    December 13, 2011 at 2:37 am | Report abuse |
  21. Hayley

    There is only racism because the government and media keep it alive. Like with schools its easier for nonwhites to get into college. It should be just GPA and test scores that matter because that's truly equal, but in California a school has to accept a certain amount of blacks/hispanics/asian/native americans/pacific islanders/etc. It's not fair that I can work so hard and not get into a college and someone with a lower GPA than will get in just because their ancestors were treated bad. Judge people by the content of their character, not by how they look or what happened to their ancestors.

    December 13, 2011 at 2:36 am | Report abuse |
    • eggy31

      Amen, Hayley

      December 13, 2011 at 3:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Q-ant

      How do you think Asians feel, we have to do BETTER than white folk to attend the same colleges.

      December 13, 2011 at 3:43 am | Report abuse |
      • Thor

        That's only because you Asians are smarter than every body else, and that you are mathematically pre-disposed to rule the world.

        December 13, 2011 at 6:03 am | Report abuse |
    • OrangeW3dge

      "But only 16% of white respondents said they thought "a lot" of discrimination existed in today’s America"

      December 13, 2011 at 5:53 am | Report abuse |
      • Sgt Slaughter

        To me that just shows where racism is being kept alive in the hearts and minds of its people.

        December 13, 2011 at 8:16 am | Report abuse |
  22. adam

    So what this study / article is telling us is that people are still hung up on the " grass in greener on the other side bit?"

    December 13, 2011 at 2:17 am | Report abuse |
  23. FloridaTipo

    Scott, you must be one of the clueless members of the Majority that this article spoke about. White racism towards People of Color most certainly exists. The last time I checked, all of the Supremacy and Militia groups in this country, whose memberships have risen since '08', were ALL exclusively White. As far as Herman Cain is concerned, yes...he was SO well liked by the Republics that he had to ask for Secret Service protection. I'm sure the death threats he received were Probably not from other People of Color. Furthermore, the information regarding alleged history of harassment and infidelity was leaked by another Republican candidate...as per Herman himself. Hmmmm, that sure looks like true "love" to me from his fellow Repubs........Not.

    December 13, 2011 at 2:12 am | Report abuse |
  24. Q-bert

    yep,you got us.

    December 13, 2011 at 2:07 am | Report abuse |
  25. David K

    Someone said...

    "Conservatives value freedom more than equality,
    and liberals value equality more than freedom."

    Anyone disagree?

    December 13, 2011 at 1:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Conservatives are in favor of freedom and equal opportunity. Liberals are in favor of slavery and equal outcomes.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:55 am | Report abuse |
      • shawn L

        Equal opportunity as long as you are wealthy and christian.

        December 13, 2011 at 6:04 am | Report abuse |
      • Thor

        I don't know of a single liberal who finds that flying the Confederate flag, or some symbolance of it, offensive. All of my liberal friends think that it is ok for a black student in the South to fly a Confederate flag, even though most blacks find it offensive. I know of no Republican friends who would even think of it.

        December 13, 2011 at 6:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Ronnie2You

      All you have to do is look at the DOJ statistics (btw, the boss of the DOJ and the boss's boss of the DOJ – ie the President – are both black) to see that according to DOJ statistics, American blacks are 7 times more likely to MURDER than American whites.

      You're a brainwashed drone if you don't "get this", and anti-racism is a code word for anti-white.

      December 13, 2011 at 2:07 am | Report abuse |
  26. Steve

    People keep reporting my posts to moderators, or CNN keeps deleting my posts.

    Look – I was here for an honest and open dialogue, which requires a degree of candidness. If people have a problem with me relating actual experiences that might go against what they wish were true, then so be it.

    I'm not going to be censored. I'm walking away from this discussion.

    December 13, 2011 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
  27. joey

    human beings will never be post bigotry

    December 13, 2011 at 1:33 am | Report abuse |
  28. Jenni C.

    Just because the articles stop it will never mean that the racism will stop. Awareness and articles are the key to getting the message out there that racism is alive and well in this country. Not matter what race you are, you should understand how negatively other races are treated in our country. Just because we no longer have separate bathroom for blacks and whites it doesn't mean that we are equal. We are far from it.

    December 13, 2011 at 1:22 am | Report abuse |
  29. Yacov

    A white woman I know tells me that affirmative actions needs to be abolished because race should not be a factor in our society. While I agree with her sentiment that race is a poor qualification for most anything, I strongly disagree with her that it's time to end affirmative action.

    Here's her story: when it was time to enroll her kid in middle school, she wanted her kid to go to school X. But school X was full and was only accepting minority students. Not surprisingly, she was upset by this news. This lady had been benefiting from White privilege her whole life. She hadn't experienced the racism minorities face on a daily basis. She's never been pulled over because of her race. Minorities don't get the same benefits; the expression "driving while black" is based on a real phenomenon.

    My experience with many White people is that the first time they experience inequality based on race, they're ready to make the ethical argument that race shouldn't be a factor in our society. What they fail to see is that race has always been a factor in our society; they've been benefiting from white privilege for their whole lives...

    December 13, 2011 at 1:20 am | Report abuse |
    • Q-bert

      Well there is one "privilege" she will not be enjoying, affirmative action. Oh yeah and race based scholarships, loan incentives, business owner grants, etc.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:24 am | Report abuse |
      • Yacov

        While the lady I wrote about will not benefit directly from affirmative action, our whole society benefits when we give everyone a fair shake. This is precisely the point of affirmative action – to fix the EXISTING imbalance.

        I find it funny that when we started to acknowledge and correct the inequalities in our society, White people are the first to jump up and demand that race not be a factor. It is ALREADY a factor for minorities; it has been a factor for hundreds of years. We need to make a correction before moving forward.

        December 13, 2011 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Yacov, we made the "correction" two generations ago. Can we start moving forward yet?

        December 13, 2011 at 1:58 am | Report abuse |
      • IndyTraveler

        Affirmative Action is an excuse for failure.

        December 13, 2011 at 7:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Sgt Slaughter

        Yacov, Affirmative action has changed from a necessary tool to fix an imbalance to a crutch for the unworthy to get ahead. Case in point... New Haven Connecticut firefighters race-neutral entrance exam. During a mass hiring too many white males scored higher than black males on the entrance exam (because they worked and studied harder for it) and the City of New Haven threw out the test results because it did not want to hire too many white people over black people. The 20 white males who were passed up for jobs when the jobs were given to 20 black males sued the city, took the case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court (after the state supreme court rules in favor of the City of New Haven's racist policy) and won in the U.S. Supreme Court. Who was leading the State Supreme court and was accused of mishandling the case with activist bias? You guessed it... Current U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor! This racist/activist "Justice" was placed into the U.S. Supremem Court by Obama himself MUCH to the disagreement of both sides of the aisle. Even Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito (famous for the O.J. trial) said of Sotomayor:
        "the Supreme Court's June 29, 2009 Ricci opinion and they posit that all 9 of the Supreme Court justices agreed that Sonia Sotomayor and the Second Circuit panel mishandled this important case. The Supreme Court justices were also critical of Judge Janice Bond Arterton's handling of the case at the district court level."

        The key power broker in the political process??? Oh yeah hear what they said about him"
        "The City of New Haven's handling of the case was so corrupt and odiferous that, in his concurring opinion, Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito devoted several paragraphs specifically to the slimy role of the black Rev. Kimber in violating the fire fighters' rights. Reverend Kimber fashions himself as a "black power broker" in the tiny, little pond of New Haven politics, and he routinely and reliably delivered the black voting bloc to the city's politically malleable, left-leaning mayor, John DeStefano (DeStefano deservedly earned the honor as the named defendant in the Ricci lawsuit). Justice Alito also specifically mentioned the Reverend Kimber's famous threat that some new fire recruits wouldn't be hired because "they just have too many vowels in their name[s]." I guess the Reverend Kimber didn't much care for Italians. Who knew?"

        Yes Racism is alive and well in America... predominantly harbored and even perpetuated by activists within the black communities.

        December 13, 2011 at 9:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      I guess just be aware that affirmative action does sit poorly with a lot of white people.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:29 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      Your response sounds extremely bigoted and racist to me. Why is any race even asked for on a school enrollment? Or gender for that matter. If a child lives in a certain district and is eligible to attend a certain school and there are openings; race, gender, religion etc...should not even be a consideration and never be asked. The application should perhaps be submitted with simply a social security number and prior educational records. No affirmative action crap that is inherently racist. What I'm hearing in this comment is "It's Wrong to discriminate against us...But it is OK if we discriminate against you"

      December 13, 2011 at 1:39 am | Report abuse |
    • johanna

      so true, yacov. thanks for pointing that out.

      December 13, 2011 at 2:32 am | Report abuse |
    • eggy31

      Two words, Yacov... reverse discrimination. Society has been trying for years to correct the mistakes made decades ago. The corrections have been made. Problem is, minorities do not want to accept them. Thus, they pull the "race card"
      . So, to correct this, society goes to the other extreme. And you get what was stated in the first sentence... reverse discrimination.

      December 13, 2011 at 3:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Brad76

      There's no "white privilege". African Americans need a serious wake up call, black people in other countries don't behave this way. Blacks have got this hatred and anger that gets passed from generation to generation, and no one even questions if it's fair.
      Let's be honest here shall we? White American people back in the 1800's and early 1900's were terrible people, but this isn't the 1800's anymore guys and girls. The president of the United States is black, if that doesn't finally get through to blacks that these silly race wars have long since been over, then I don't know what will.
      This has to stop, it's not right.

      December 13, 2011 at 3:49 am | Report abuse |
    • OrangeW3dge

      It's like 4 hours or more since you posted this and you probably won't see this, but I gotta say You're Right.

      December 13, 2011 at 5:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Thor

      What is the difference between affirmative action and taking money as "taxes" from the wealthy and giving it the lazy? Affirmative action is redistribution of wealth. Redistribution of wealth is Communism and Marxism. It seems to me that Affirmative action is a subtrafuge of Communism and Marxism.

      December 13, 2011 at 6:10 am | Report abuse |
  30. Reality Check

    "It’s really just a matter of some people not trying hard enough; if blacks would only try harder they could be just as well off as whites."

    How many college degrees and expensive cars does one need to stop being harassed by police? Economic disparity may be a sign of current discrimination or it may not be, but blatant profiling has no basis other than racial discrimination - that is selecting an individual for unequal treatment based solely upon perceived race.

    December 13, 2011 at 1:08 am | Report abuse |
    • Ignorant america

      Racial profiling? Is it wrong to assume someone who has a 60+ percent chance of commiting a crime is going to somehow harm you or cause detriment to your belongings? No... Its called having common sense.

      December 13, 2011 at 4:50 am | Report abuse |
  31. Lets Produce

    "and whether they believed discriminition to be a major problem in today's society." Discrimination is alive and well and probably will be for generations to come. Discrimination has many faces. It's not just about skin color as was the focus in this article. If your not an attractive person, you know the pain of discrimination. If your short, you will be discriminated against. If your physically handicapped, you know what it feels like to be discriminated against. As advanced as we humans imagine we are, were still a primitive people. Humans emotions are still a work in progress. Give us a few hundred more years and maybe will get beyond our disdain for anything that;s different from ourselves. Until then, people need to be patient. Evolution moves at it's own pace.

    December 13, 2011 at 1:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Andrew


      December 13, 2011 at 1:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Bwllm

      Thank god I'm a young, tall, handsome, wealthy, fit, white male. The only time i get discriminated against is at the end of winter when I'm paler than Macaulay Culkin butt.

      December 13, 2011 at 3:03 am | Report abuse |
  32. Steve

    So what is the point of all this? To raise awareness, or to demand handouts?

    December 13, 2011 at 1:04 am | Report abuse |
    • theraven71

      To maintain the awareness that true equality does not exist in this country. This has nothing to do with demanding handouts and it's that kind of thinking that is the reason for this article. You just demonstrated the reason for keeping the issue of racism fresh in people's minds with your comment. People think all blacks want handouts. We just want to be treated equally and fairly without having people judging us by the typical stereotypes that blacks are lazy, criminals, are unintelligent. Those stereotypes are false.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:09 am | Report abuse |
      • Boulevardier

        Raven, with all due respect – I'm not so sure the stereotypes ARE false. I, like a lot of white folks have friends who are black that I admire, enjoy being with and have high regard for. But taking the "races" as a whole why is it that there is a greater percentage of black Americans who are receiving public assistance ("handouts") than other races? Yes, I understand the poverty cycle is difficult to break but it seems to be perpetuated and encouraged within the black community.

        December 13, 2011 at 1:36 am | Report abuse |
      • ns

        Clearly the person that responded to you has no clue that more WHITES are on public assistance in this country than blacks.. Sorry.. it's true.. check the numbers.

        December 13, 2011 at 2:31 am | Report abuse |
      • NoFreeRides


        All these gov't programs and affirmative action do is promote and extend the idea that Blacks cannot compete with whites on an equal basis. How often are blacks hired to do a job where they are NOT the most qualified person for the job but simply allow the gov't or the employer to check off that all important rqacial background "box"? If your child or parent were severly injured in an accident and needed emergency surgery would you want the white doctor who earned A's in school and was admitted to med school on their merits or a black doctor who was admitted in order for the school and society to appear stylishly hip and without predjudice? Tell me who would you want to do that operation? May be we should become 3 or 4 separate countries and see who would thrive and who wouldn't. Show me ANYWHERE on thsi planet where blacks have been in charge for decades and even centuries where "Black Rule" has been successful? Waiting.....! You can't. It doesn't exist and never has except of maybe in ancient Egypt when the Nubians ruled (over 3,000 years ago). I learned a long, long time ago that we (Whites) don't need you but you REALLY need us. That's a fact. How I wish that we could just part ways with all of you and see where we all end up in a 100 years. You're part of America would resemble the chaos that exists in Africa today. Our (white) America would resemble a paradise. Now that is CHANGE we can believe in!!!

        December 13, 2011 at 5:17 am | Report abuse |
      • Thor

        Raven, the United States Military has the most aggressive affirmative action recruiting program, yet, given the opportunity, the numbers of black fighter pilots, and submarine nuclear reactor operators wane so far behind other races. That is because one MUST prove that they are academically qualified to enter the program. Blacks just do not have the mental ability to compete.

        December 13, 2011 at 6:17 am | Report abuse |
      • theraven71

        Thor, I qualified for the Navy's nuclear program. In fact, once they saw my test scores, they tried to push me into one of those programs but I decided not to enter the military and to go my own route. So there, many blacks do qualify for those programs but choose to do something different. I chose to work my way through college and graduated with my engineering degree. Don't knock all blacks because of what you see on TV or hear on the news. You seem to be perpetuating the idea that blacks are uneducated and that's just simply not true. Blacks may have the opportunities but if some people were made to feel uncomfortable in those situations, then they're less likely to follow through. Me and quite a few other blacks on the other hand said "get out of my way" and "I'm not going to let *YOU* choose for me".

        December 13, 2011 at 9:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Tgallant

      It is to maintain the stereotype that all white people in America are racist. That it is always the fault of white people. It will never matter what white people do. It is the same phenomenon in all mixed race societies. The majority is always seen as the racist in the group.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:18 am | Report abuse |
      • Yacov

        You think that it doesn't matter what White people do; that they will always be blamed. But if there are real problems; a real disparity that is systemic, then your statement would preclude anyone from investigating it.

        Take a look at our society; Do you really believe that Black people are more prone to criminal activity than White people? I certainly don't. Yet the prison system has a disproportionate number of Black people compared to White people. The explanation lies in our racist society.

        December 13, 2011 at 1:27 am | Report abuse |
      • Ronnie2You

        All you have to do is look at the DOJ statistics (btw, the boss of the DOJ and the boss's boss of the DOJ are both black) to see that blacks are 7 times more likely to MURDER than whites. You're a brainwashed drone, and anti-racism is a code word for anti-white.

        December 13, 2011 at 2:04 am | Report abuse |


      December 13, 2011 at 1:21 am | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      It was a fair question. It's election season.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Q-bert

      It's CNN, what do you think?

      December 13, 2011 at 1:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Brad76

      Black people have become what white people in the 1800's used to be. The very thing they hated and fought against. When will it end?

      December 13, 2011 at 3:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Thor

      It is to promote Marxism.

      December 13, 2011 at 6:12 am | Report abuse |
  33. Cu_Buff

    People talk about the plight of white people but if you look at data such as median household income and percentages of races other then Asian or Caucasian in fields such as engineering, teaching in higher education settings, doctors, programming, and law shows that African Americans and Hispanics still have a long way to go even with the incentives and extra help. I am white by the way.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:52 am | Report abuse |
  34. Nikos

    ""There’s only two ways you can interpret it: You can either interpret that [black people] are insane and borderline neurotic, that they don't know their own life; or you could look at it and say maybe black people do know their own life, and maybe it's worth listening to them about it."

    OK, we should all listen to each other, can't argue with that. But for those of us who are not black and who have been accused of racism when none was intended–even when such experiences should be treated as isolated experiences–these experiences serve to skew our biases toward the first option above. I wouldn't be as uncharitable to say "insane" but I'd say that when you are looking for discrimination you will find it even when it's not there. There is a whole generation of African Americans that deliberately passes on this mentality to their kids (ie look for a racial explanation first before other explanations for a failure you experience) in the name of survival. The sad truth is that such mentality does reflect reality for some parts of the countries, in some companies and fields, among some individuals. But it REALLY DOESN'T FOR MANY OTHER FOLKS, COMPANIES, AND PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. I have no idea what to do when accused of racism, it just feels like reverse racism (the worst interpretation is assumed because I'm not black!) and it just makes me too tired to deal with this whole issue

    December 13, 2011 at 12:49 am | Report abuse |
  35. Dave

    Want America to be "Post-Racial"?

    Get rid of things like Black History Month, NAACP, and Affirmative Action. Stop all the continuing BS coming out of California where they are going to begin to shove LBGT "history" down the throats of students.

    WHy keep pointing out race? We're all Americans here. Let's focus on the achievements of students and adults instead of pigeonholing people by their race.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:48 am | Report abuse |
  36. Mauser

    Asians have a higher median income than whites. How did THEY do it?

    December 13, 2011 at 12:41 am | Report abuse |
  37. ComeOnMan9

    I think I am race talked out. CNN does this weekly and I get tired of speaking up for all of the mud people not just my kind. Whatever man, I guess we bicker because we are not phyisically capable of experiencing first hand another's culture. CNN what's up with this race topic every week. Honey the new color is not black white or brown but GREEN, if you got it you is good and if you don't well.....

    December 13, 2011 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
    • zoundsman

      BS-If you were "tired" why do you speak up? And who's forcing you. "Mud people? You're the throw back.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:50 am | Report abuse |
  38. theraven71

    Ronnie, you are completely ignorant of the fact that racism still exists in this country. Articles like this keep the issue fresh in peoples minds so that they don't forget it. You have no clue what it's like to be black in this country. All of blacks who just want to be honest and contributing members of society are fighting an up hill battle from the start. People automatically think blacks are lazy, going to rob them blind, or just aren't smart enough or aren't hard working enough to make it without help. That is a total fallacy. It's been very difficult for the black community to make it because they're still fighting those stereotypes that have been around since we had slavery in this country. Blacks were forbidden from getting an education during those times. They weren't allowed to learn to read and were punished if they even tried and those that tried to help them were also punished. As recent as the mid 1900's it was illegal for blacks to attend universities. And even today there are still people who believe that blacks don't deserve equal treatment. So, it's not hard to see why blacks feel that there is still there some racism in this country. That's because it's true. You can't begin to understand that unless you've ever been a victim of it.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Tyrone

      Stereotypes for a reason my brotha.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Ronnie2You

      As a white, I know too well what it means to be the victim of racism in America. If you don't, then you're either living in Vermont or some other granola part of the country OR you're a brain washed self-loathing drone. Anti-racism is a code word for anti-white.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:56 am | Report abuse |
  39. zoundsman

    To date: every time I form some negative opinion on a "race," e.g., Samoans, Filipinos, Blacks, Whites, Native Americans,
    Vietnamese, Yanomamo Indians etc., I'm proven wrong. They'll be a member more educated than I am, richer,
    more moral, basically nicer than I expected, etc. So, I'll continue to just judge people as I meet them face to face-
    works for me. Peace.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:34 am | Report abuse |
    • ComeOnMan9

      tell the truth like this all the time.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Dre


      December 13, 2011 at 1:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Reality Check

      Why do you keep forming negative opinions based on "race" if your experience tends to ultimately refute that view?

      December 13, 2011 at 1:13 am | Report abuse |
  40. Boulevardier

    I'd be curious to see these same surveys applied to countries other than the USA. Is it just "us" or is this a universal situation?

    December 13, 2011 at 12:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Mauser

      Are you serious? You are aware that some Arabs still enslave black Africans, aren't you? No, it's not just us. Blaming white America for all problems foreign and domestic is a cottage industry among decadent pseudo-sophisticates.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:35 am | Report abuse |
      • Boulevardier

        Yes, I'm very serious – but I trust you got my subtle suggestion. "Minorities" in the USA have far more opportunity than in any OTHER country yet WE continue to get bombarded by articles like this that propose that not enough has been done to level the playing field.

        December 13, 2011 at 12:45 am | Report abuse |
    • theraven71

      Boulvardier, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that this problem is not just a problem in the United States. Racism is a world wide issue. Blacks are discrimiated against all over the world. The country almost doesn't matter at all. I've seen it in Australia, Brazil, and I've seen it in Eastern European countries as well. I've also seen it in Italy and France, especially in soccer games where black players are taunted with racial slurs by the spectators.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:05 am | Report abuse |
      • Ronnie2You

        ...and yet raven probably refuses to believe that Africans are not racist....oh yea, never mind, they probably have a "right" to be racist.

        Anti-racism is a code word for Anti-white.

        December 13, 2011 at 2:02 am | Report abuse |
  41. Paul

    There is lots of racism all around. My son was the victim of racism today and was attacked by a group of mexicans. It was 100% race related. A lot of people want to say "reverse" racism, there is no such thing, anybody can be racist, and there are many of them around and not all of them are white.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
  42. Dre

    I don't understand the rash of 'anti racist' CNN articles that have popped up the last few months. Each one plays upon how racism still runs rampant at a subclinical level in the US. Do I dispute that? Not quite. Racism definitely is around, but it doesn't hold anyone back the way it used to. Blacks, Hispanics, Asians-each experienced and still experience racism right now, and quite amazingly they stereotype and look down upon each other. Growing up Asian in the US, I've had slurs thrown at me left and right from elementary school till now. And I'll be honest, they mostly come from the blacks and hispanics, not from the white man. What else is amazing is that I grew up in California, the Bay Area, one of the most diverse places in this country.

    These articles on CNN overplay racism about how blacks' ish don't stink and somehow white man still holds everyone down is just ridiculous. My family lived/lives the American dream. My parents came with nothing but the clothes on their back. My dad worked on a farm before he saved enough money to go to a state school in the midwest. We lived in an apartment in a terrible area and then moved out and up. You've just got to work hard. In this day and age, stereotypes are ingrained in peoples' minds. While not morally justified, you can't get hung up on that. Work hard. This goes to the 'Occupiers' too.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Well said. This article and other like it are hate bait. They have white males so paranoid to say anything for fear of race card being played. They won't even respond how they feel on surveys, I know this is an issue amongst all my friends. It is just much easier to take the high road and move on, but the problem is that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. All the other racial groups whining how because they aren't being given something or some one tells the no that it has to be a race issue, not an issue of character.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:34 am | Report abuse |
    • theraven71

      Dre, you are downplaying the racism issue a bit too much. You cannot begin to understand what it's like to be black unless you've lived within the skin. Being Asian is nowhere near as bad as being black. At least you guys have the stereotype of being hard working and smart. Being black you're constantly fighting the stigma that because you're black, you're lazy, you're a criminal, or just lack the intelligence to do anything. And I can tell you those stereotypes do play into blacks having to fight extra hard to make it in some cases. For example, if you applied to work for a company and the person who reviews your application has a prejudice against blacks because he believes they're not hard working or they are more inclined to steal from the company, he's much more likely to pass over that application for someone not black. This is the stereotype that does the most damage. People say work hard and you'll make it. While that's true to some degree, in many cases, blacks have to prove themselves over and over and over again and it gets very tiring to have to continue to fight that stigma. So you can't blame some people for lashing out or getting angry because they feel they've been discriminated against in a particular situation. You don't know what that person has had to deal with.

      BTW, did you know that it was illegal for a black man to learn to read or get an education in this country during times of slavery? Even after slavery was ended and as late as the mid 1900's blacks weren't allowed to study in some high schools and universities. Those schools had to be forced by law to allow blacks in and once they were allowed in, they were degraded, intimidated, and terrorized so it was really difficult for them to make it. The ones who were able to ignore all of that and didn't cross paths with some of the more evil racists who set out to do physical bodily harm were the ones who were successful. The ones who, in spite of being physically harmed or threatened, made it through to become successful.

      One more thing, in the 1900's people were murdered for being black and in a great many cases there was no justice given to them because they were seen as less than human. Things have gotten much better, but there is still a long ways to go. Being black in this country, you're still fighting an up hill battle just about every where you go.

      I don't think racism is over played at all. People should not ever forget the injustices that blacks have had to endure and still have to endure today. Racism just isn't specific to the United States. There is racism all over the world against blacks. I saw in the article where they pointed out that the Irish, Italians, and Jewish were discriminated against and they've all been able to make it. Well, get this – they're not black. The color of their skin gives them a pass that blacks don't have. That's the problem right there. Blacks are fighting a very negative stereotype (and a false one I might add) that these people don't have to fight. So, you should back off of the 'overplaying racism' message. You can never over play that message when you have a whole group of people who are discriminated against just because of the color of their skin.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:00 am | Report abuse |
      • Dre

        History is history and one shouldn't use it as a crutch now. Yes, I know about slavery, banned from education, lynchings and all that. I learned about the Bus Rides and was downright outraged by the actions of the white mob. But I'm not trying to downplay past racism. An entire nation was hooked on opium by the British. The chinese were made to build railroads. Asians were banned from living in certain areas in white territory and yes, Asians were even lynched. But my point is, that's all in the past.

        People should deal with their situation now. Blacks and Hispanics have a much easier time getting into college and getting scholarships than white people or Asians. All it takes to get there is hard work, hell or even slacking off and working jobs during high school like I did and many of my friends did. I have plenty of friends of every race, color, creed, and religion and most are very successful people now. We all differ in backgrounds, but the common thread is we all worked hard enough to get to to where we are.

        Everybody has their own obstacles and everybody has got to deal with them their own way. Without using the crutches of history. Even if the obstacles include a more minor form of racism today.

        December 13, 2011 at 1:09 am | Report abuse |
      • Ronnie2You

        raven – have you checked the news lately? In the early 2000s there are people being murdered for being white! Google christian-newsom murders, and enjoy.

        Anti-racism is a code word for Anti-White.

        December 13, 2011 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
  43. Cu_Buff

    Many say that democrats in the 1860 to 1960s are the same as today but this is not the case. Andrew Jackson was the first Democratic President and would line up more with today's far right then the left. The main opposition to Jackson was the Whig Party led by Daniel Webster and others until the late 1850s when the republican party was made by a collation of northern anti slavery groups. Jackson who is consider the father of the democratic party was a southern and therefore his party favored policies which would be popular in the south until republicans came up the south first approach to winning national elections. Ignorance is bliss when it comes to history saying the democrats are putting down black people since 1860s is like saying the republicans are facists. Read a book and you will understand why certain groups do what they do. Also by the way the reason why we have a two party system is because we have a first past the pole system.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Reality Check

      First time I've been impressed by a forum response.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
  44. BP POET

    This story is pitiful but true in this day and age. Pitiful that race is an issue, but true in the fact that no matter what we all know there are still people who feel some people because of the color of their skin are beneath them. And for those of you have not paid attention check out the new story from Buffalo NY about the High School Girls Basketball team that were suspended due to using the N word for a chant just before a game. And they said it was just a word, despite the one and only African American (Black) Female on the team letting them know she did not appreciate it. It became more then just a word when it led to a fight amongst team members. So it is pitiful that the kids of today just do not believe the History of our country the ugly truth that is.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:14 am | Report abuse |
  45. Tim

    I really hate getting into the fray on this issue. I will say this though, I strongly believe that there is no such thing as a post-racial America, nor will there ever be until we try to examine the problems that exist. We are not yet mature enough to have a conversation about this. In reality that is all that really needs to happen. Leave the politics at home, sit down and have a discussion about the problems our nation has concerning racism and discrimination and move forward.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      The problem is that when there is a "sit down" either Sharpton or Jackson show up to remind everybody how the white man is keeping them down.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:37 am | Report abuse |
  46. Ronnie2You

    I wonder if, as long as CNN is quoting federal agencies such as NIH, they will quote the DOJ and articulate just how disproportionately atrocious the black on white crime in this country.

    Hey CNN – anti-racism is a code word for anti-White.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Red

      There's a small war going on in Flint, Michigan where it's 53% black. Shootings every night, all night long. People being shot in their cars when they stop at a Stop sign or light. But the News refuses to report the race of the suspects. There's a big cover-up going on but sooner or later there going to have to send in the National Guard.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:21 am | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        Wonder why they aren't tellin' the courts have determined that it cannot be a hate crime if the victim is white. Prosecutors won't touch it, political suicide.

        December 13, 2011 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
    • FloridaTipo

      Ronnie, you OBVIOUSLY never consulted the DOJ website yourself. If you actually had looked, and checked the figures for "race in crime", particularly Murder, you would have seen that vast majority of Murders in the US are "intra-racial" Now, just in case you Don't know what that means, the fact is that most people are killed by someone of their OWN race. FACTS: More that 80% of White are killed by other White; Over 90% of African Americans are killed by other Blacks. So, White on White crime is Just as prevalent (albeit, slightly less) as Black of Black crime. You might want to check out a few fact before you spew......

      December 13, 2011 at 2:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Ronnie2You

      Florida – irrelevant (unless you value interracial murders more highly than intraracial). Disgusting. The fact is, as stated by the DOJ – black males are 7x more likely to murder than white males. PERIOD. Learn reading comprehension.

      Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White.

      December 13, 2011 at 4:27 am | Report abuse |
  47. Emigdio

    even though segregation is no longer a policy, blacks are still living separated from whites. in my math class the africans sit on one side of the class while whites sit on the other, even though there's no reason for it. they just want to stay on their own side.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:09 am | Report abuse |
  48. madjim

    You are exactly why there is clearly a difference in perceptions and ignorance in this country.
    “Thats right, WE DON'T CARE and LEAVE US ALONE!”
    We? Us? Black issues are American issues. We sir are ALL American. We lived together in this country and are part of each other’s community. We work together, fight the wars together and help build this country together.
    As a neighbor, a friend, a co-worker – all it is, is about RESPECT. Obviously you have none. Just like you or your brother or your son – we want to live our life and do the best and hope we can have a fair chance to succeed.
    In all religions, we are told to care about our neighbors. I hope you are teaching your children to be better and that it is the not the point you have to acknowledge or to think about black issues. But the fact to be mindful of your community and how we can better ourselves and our neighbors – so we as a nation can be strong. It is sad that you have so much hate and need to separate yourself from other human beings who are just like you.

    December 13, 2011 at 12:07 am | Report abuse |
    • Red

      madjim, there's no "hate" in my world, that's just a figment of your imagination, another delusional concept of the blacks. I don't represent anyone else, I was merely agreeing with Wise's comment about whites. Ya know a black girl once wrote that she thought white people sit around talking about black people all day. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd? When in fact I never think about black people, it's just not something in my life and that's the point I was trying to make. I don't think that makes me a bad American.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:00 am | Report abuse |
  49. Big Ron

    Did everyone know there are more poverty stricten white children in America then all other ethnnic groups combined.Stop whining about everything.Stop having more children then you can afford.Start educating yourself and your children properly.Become a useful member of society.This country has many opportunities for everyone but,YOU MUST EARN IT!!!!!!

    December 13, 2011 at 12:06 am | Report abuse |
  50. Stuart Hughes

    I generally don't take the opinions of people who ghostwrite memoirs for their cats seriously

    December 13, 2011 at 12:05 am | Report abuse |
    • cnnssiek

      Oh, I see you have googled me. So much for trying to inject a bit of levity in my biography, lest I be accused of not having a sense of humor. Thanks for reading!

      December 13, 2011 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
  51. TS

    Race baiting article - NEXT !! (CNN you REALLY need to grow a pair and stop bending the psychotic liberal manias with ADHD)

    December 13, 2011 at 12:01 am | Report abuse |
  52. JC

    When you are at a stadium and your team scores or wins the games, there is no racism. The black folks don't withhold high fives from the white people. The white people don't say, "I wish that black guy didn't burn the white guy for 35 yards!" We all get along on Sunday afternoon, too bad we couldn't do it everyday.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jammaster

      Great point JC.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:16 am | Report abuse |
    • theraven71

      Go to soccer games and Europe and you'll change your opinion quickly. Black players are intimidated with racial slurs a lot there.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:15 am | Report abuse |
  53. Supra

    I think we are in a post-racial country by and large, because if you look at asians, specifically indians who are just as colored as blacks, they are faring quite well. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if their average median income was slightly above whites.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • amanda

      i guess sambo's comment got bleeped.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Red

      That's right, Asian average median income is about $10,000 more than whites.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        For the most part, their culture values hard work and responsibility.

        December 13, 2011 at 12:50 am | Report abuse |
  54. amanda

    i didn't even read the article. all these stories about racism, post-racistm, blah, blah, blah can be summed up/resolved with one statement:

    we will not have equality and the perception of equality until we get rid of public assistance, affirmative action and everything else we are doing to help the underclass. i say this and i am not even against social engineering,. it is just painfully obvious that things just keep getting worse the more we try to do to make things easier for select groups of people.

    for the love of the US of A, please let everyone, black or white, get on their feet on their own. when they've accomplished that and have become success stories in their own right against racism, discrimination, basically despite it all, we will have gotten over racism because there will be nothing to be racist against.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jammaster

      Thanks Amanda. You just confirmed everything in the article.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:18 am | Report abuse |
  55. Mary

    It would be great if every white person turned black for about a year(not all at once, separate times), then they would understand what being black in America is like.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Darryl

      That is a great liberal thought – and it might make more people more liberal to the plight of the Blacks – and yes, it is a plight – they are in an eternal circle of bad luck as the mothers can't raise their children and so the children learn from the street to either make problems or start having kids themselves. They need serious help of cash to stop the mothers from working multiple jobs and serious help of Black role models.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ronnie2You

        Darryl – you're a brainwashed drone. Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White (which ironically is in and of itself, inherently racist. Oh the hypocrisy)

        December 13, 2011 at 12:15 am | Report abuse |
      • theraven71

        Ronnie, anti-racism is *NOT* code word for anti-white. You completely missed the point if that's what you think. Blacks just wanted to be treated fairly just like everyone else.

        December 13, 2011 at 1:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Then I could finish my last semester of college for free and get some help getting a job. It's really hard finding a job right now being a white male.

      December 13, 2011 at 2:45 am | Report abuse |
  56. thaicoffee

    Nice article well written. Thank you. BTW, I have never heard such a seething viperous pit of white privileged vipers since I left Appalachia (speaking of all but one or two comments posted).

    December 12, 2011 at 11:40 pm | Report abuse |
  57. Newt

    White people don't have the ability to be racist. What's wrong with you people.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:38 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Mary

    So this proves that Blacks will always think people are racists towards them, whether that is true or not! So many white people don't believe racism exists because they are actually not racists! So really black America get over yourself!

    December 12, 2011 at 11:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kile

      Exactly. If you take the liberal bias out of the article and actually analyze the logic, it becomes very apparent that the author of believes that when it comes to racism, blacks are credible and whites are not. Why the double standard?

      December 12, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Well it's because white people are lying devils.

        December 13, 2011 at 1:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Elizabeth

      Health problems among blacks alone should concern us compassionate Americans. This is not about an emotional or mental state, but the state of health and safety of many Americans who have paid their dues in every generation. These are people who served in every war, who have helped make America a great country, and whose families have been here longer than most others. I love the song, "R-E-S-P-E-C-T," it says it all.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Kile

    Very well said. Quit dressing and acting like idiots and we'll quit treating you like idiots.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:34 pm | Report abuse |
  60. Randall

    Look, I'm inclined to agree that we're in a post-racial society and that anybody can succeed if they try hard enough. I was once homeless, with nothing but a bag of clothes and $20 to get back on my feet – and I have fully recovered. But, I work for a restaurant whose owner won't even put up a help wanted sign because he doesn't want black people applying. You come in, ask if we're hiring, and he'll tell you if we are or we aren't, even though we usually are. That's not presumption, that's an admitted fact – he won't hire a black person. Racism does still exist, and in significant ways.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Randall

      It should be obvious but I'm a white man.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sambo

      Thank you for identifying your race, Randall. Why you do dat?

      December 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • amanda

      yes, it's obvious you are white. but why does the owner not want to hire a black person? is it because he has had a history of black people not showing up for work on time or just disappearing without enough notice to get someone else in? or do they have bad presentation that turns off customers? maybe they don't speak proper english and he wants to run a "nice" place?

      i ask this because i worked for a small firm in philly while i was in college. i am not white and worked for the nicest man. but he had a policy of not hiring black women for the receptionist and secretarial jobs because he said they don't take the job seriously and speak with poor grammar which doesn't bode well when clients call/come.

      but then, we had a black temp one day and she was very well presented. she only had a high school degree but she spoke very good english, had good phone manners and was ALWASYS on time and consummately professional.

      so then he hired her as a permanent employee. he wasn't racist. he just had a series of bad experience with black employees who didn't perform.

      always try to look beyond the surface and try to give everybody the benefit of doubt.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • theraven71

        Amanda, that behavior is typical to *ALL* races. I've seen more lazy white workers who show up late and don't want to work than I've seen black workers. It's irritating when you get someone working for you and you have to deal with that. People automatically think that of black people but won't give it a second thought to white people. What you described is racism pure and simple. The guy may not have been racist, but he used race to screen potential employees and that is what the black community has to fight. People say 'work hard and you'll make it'. Well, if you can't get your foot in the door because you're black, how can you 'work hard'? I'm black and I've had to fight this stereotype more times than I want to admit. It's truly demoralizing when people don't think much of you without giving you the opportunity to prove yourself. But for myself, I did work hard and I did ignore those who said that "because I'm black I'm not likely to make it". And I have proven them wrong. But like I said, it's irritating to run across people who think just because you're black you're not worthy of the potential opportunity to prove yourself. That in a nutshell is what blacks are fighting every single day.

        December 13, 2011 at 1:27 am | Report abuse |
  61. Darryl

    This just proves that no matter what affirmative action we do, it doesn't work. Many Blacks will always feel they are owed something and are being downtrodden. And many Whites will always think we are doing too much. Affirmative action is important, but what needs to happen is more Black men need to step up and be positive role members for the children single Black mothers. At the same time, black women need to be able to earn enough money to where they don't have to work 3 jobs and let they streets raise their children. If we can't raise their income, churches need to step up and assist. Mother's need to raise their children and Fathers or, at a minimum, Big Brothers or step-in fathers need to be there. If not, the circle will continue until there is another revolution.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:30 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Kile

    So, you are saying that blacks are credible because they say racism is a big problem, but you say whites are NOT credible when they say they are not racist. Maybe blacks believe life is easier for whites and don't give them credit for actually working hard and achieving things. Maybe blacks have a self defeating outlook and are raised to believe the deck is stacked against them so they blame every setback on their race rather than themselves. Believing the deck is stacked against them and then after failing once attributing that to racism, they give up and quit trying but a white person in the same situation doesn't blame racism but their own inadequacies and work harder to do better the next time.

    Asians come to America with nothing and within a generation they are at the top of the academic and professional ladder. Why do we believe that racism applies to blacks but not to Asians?

    December 12, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • theraven71

      Kile, blacks believe life is easier for whites because it *IS* easier for them. Blacks are raised to believe the deck is stacked against them because it *IS* stacked against them. You will never understand it unless you put on black skin. All you have to do is read through the comments here about hiring practices of some people where they will not hire someone because they're black because of a stereotype that they believe about blacks. so *THAT* is having the deck stacked against you. If you have to fight an up hill battle against a stereotype whereas a white person doesn't have to deal with that that is the advantage of being white versus being black. In many cases blacks aren't even given a chance to prove themselves because of that. It's hard for whites to see that because they've never had to deal with it or have never witnessed it. But as a black man, I've lived it, seen it, and dealt with it. Even though I've missed out on opportunities because if it, I've never let it hold me down. For some people, it's hard to maintain a sense of self-pride when you're constantly told just because you're black, your worth is less than someone who's white so it's easy to understand how some people give up fighting. So instead of being a part of the problem, be a part of the solution. Racism is alive and well and it's not going away until people start to realize that the stereotypes that blacks have is the main reason for them being disadvantaged.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      They also have sharpton and jackson reinforcing this for their own profit.

      December 13, 2011 at 2:50 am | Report abuse |
  63. Johnny Be Good

    There are plenty of articles to read on CNN, but you chose to read this one. How can you complain about a choice you personally made?

    December 12, 2011 at 11:24 pm | Report abuse |
  64. prinzy

    I can see I was just sucked in to another race baiting article. When will I learn to not click the link?

    December 12, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Darryl

      Probably never – most people don't learn.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Woogwit

        Reading these race baiting articles is like picking a scab – if we could just leave it alone it might go away, but we just can't resist.

        December 12, 2011 at 11:31 pm | Report abuse |
  65. myself

    America will never be deemed "post racial" as long as there are politicians and commentators who can get professional mileage out of keeping the beehive stirred up.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • LibsLie

      This is the fact..........

      December 12, 2011 at 11:40 pm | Report abuse |
  66. clone

    Racism labels are only used as a tool to further someone's agenda or viewpoint.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:20 pm | Report abuse |
  67. Andy

    Morgan Freeman had it best. Just stop talking about it, you are not a black or white man, you are a man.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ed

      Proud of what? A melanin deficiency?

      December 12, 2011 at 11:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ty

      Thanks, I read that in his voice too. Will he ever run for President? He's played the role often enough...

      December 13, 2011 at 6:25 am | Report abuse |
  68. tekstep1

    You are the reason race relations have devolved.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:10 pm | Report abuse |
  69. Garrett FItzsimmons

    I'm really getting sick of hearing this all the time. How about we stop obsessing with racial issues, and maybe we will truely go into a post racism era. Of course there will always be racism. But people like this only push this farther along and keep it alive. And enough of the double standard of race specific scholarships. It's pathetic that we have scholarships based on race, let us go back to a world of merit and character, rather than race.

    December 12, 2011 at 11:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Johnny Be Good

      If we close our eyes in a fire, is it no longer there? Is it no longer destructive?

      December 12, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Darryl

      You kidding? You want to go back to where Nazi Germany pretended nothing was happening. If we don't talk about then it really isn't there. Do you close your eyes when you are scared the boogie man is in the room?

      December 12, 2011 at 11:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • Garrett FItzsimmons

        Did I say I want to go back to Nazi Germany?

        December 12, 2011 at 11:53 pm | Report abuse |
  70. Dre hit the nail on the head

    The product of white guilt

    December 12, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
  71. anon

    There are several points that I would like to make regarding this piece:

    1) The majority of whites perceive racism as no longer an issue is that the majority of whites simply aren't overtly racist (clarification on this in the next point). It's hard to comprehend blacks struggling with racism when you don't know any racists.
    2) EVERYONE is slightly racist, regardless of color, but the vast majority of this racism is subconscious. Based on the media we consume and our brains flawed strategies for understanding the world, anyone and everyone who has grown up in America is at least a little racist against blacks – and this includes blacks! A recent study presented subjects with pictures of white or black people and had them type specific positive or negative words. Both white and black test subjects took longer to type positive words and were quicker to type negative words when presented with the image of a black.
    3) The struggles still facing blacks in America and the disparity that still exists is not something well publicized. Ironically this data is left out of the discussion or whitewashed in an attempt to not be racist. To those who have been trained to believe everyone is equal, a candid discussion of where blacks still lag behind whites comes off as trying to portray blacks as unequal. Therefore qualifiers like socioeconomic status and geography are used to hide what needs to be a black/white discussion
    4) While intended to fight the effects of racism, affirmative action is today the biggest source of racism (against blacks). When a white perceives blacks as getting special treatment and sees that they are still lagging behind, they may interpret this as due to inherent failings in blacks. Affirmative action has created dangerously widespread resentment and undermines the legitimate accomplishments of individual blacks. In many cases where a black achieves success they are written off by whites as having only succeeded due to special treatment. It isn't fair, but it is clear that affirmative action is no longer a solution but a problem. If it is going to continue its existence, it must be based on economics rather than race. This way it will still disproportionately help blacks but won't elicit the same level of hostility and resentment.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • LibsLie

      Both statistically as well as factually there is more black racism to whites than the oppisite. Go to a predominately black neighborhood or bar or resteraunt or church tell me how it goes.........been there done that ...........come to my bar, my church you will not hear a peep..........or actually get waves or handshakes and smiles not, how many whites on BET or how many whites work for the Jesse Jackson Rainbow C.?

      December 12, 2011 at 11:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        No joke.... Not a welcoming crowd.

        December 13, 2011 at 3:00 am | Report abuse |
  72. bannister

    And why SHOULD America be post-racial?

    December 12, 2011 at 10:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • bob

      because i am tired of blacks complaining about everything.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • David K

      Has ANY country EVER been post-racial? Ever?

      December 13, 2011 at 1:50 am | Report abuse |
  73. Dre hit the nail on the head

    It's white guilt. Without it, none of this would be this way

    December 12, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      True, however, I refuse to feel guilty.

      December 13, 2011 at 3:24 am | Report abuse |
  74. sleepytime

    Dear Nyan Bat,

    Are you drunk or just illiterate?

    December 12, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
  75. GetReal

    Of course there's racism in this country, duh. Why don't blacks "get ahead" easily? Their ancestors came to this country on slave ships, they were separated from their families, traditions, values, and lore. Not so with Asians, Jews, Muslims, and so forth. That being said, it doesn't surprise me that we have a black president. It won't surprise me when we have a woman president. But I doubt I'll ever see the day when we have an Asian-American or Muslim-American president. Not in my lifetime, anyway. No African leader ever bombed New York or Pearl Harbor, and that's why. American politics have manufactured an "us and them" mentality when it comes to certain ethnic groups, and it's false and misleading, but boy, is it powerful.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kile

      True, but man African leaders sold other Africans into slavery.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:32 pm | Report abuse |
  76. mslman71

    The media make their money off of hot button issues. [cue sad piano music]

    December 12, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
  77. bridget

    because white people don't do such a thing...grow up!

    December 12, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
  78. JcReliever

    And the wretched pot of racism gets another roiling stir.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
  79. JcReliever

    *wear, not where. Dolt.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:42 pm | Report abuse |
  80. Dre hit the nail on the head

    They never talk about asians. How is it that asians, who are even more of a minority, can succeed at such high levels? Why oh why do they never bring that up?

    I'd love to know how you can become a "anti-racist essayist and activist".....I wonder where his paycheck comes from....

    December 12, 2011 at 10:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • GetReal

      Very good point. I don't know, but I'm guessing a lot of "real Americans" (sarcasm) see Asian-Americans as foreigners, even if they've been here four generations.

      December 12, 2011 at 10:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kile

        Even if your assertion is true, why do Asians excel in education whereas blacks do not?

        December 12, 2011 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |
  81. mslman71

    So, let me understand, if blacks say discrimination exists disproportionately to whites then it's, by default, because whites are racist?

    I know if you tell any group of people, black white green blue male female asian whatever, that whatever happens to them is someone else's fault they'll end up believing it. It's always easier to hold someone else responsible.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • mslman71

      And despite what the SCOTUS says, unequal outcomes (health, median income, etc.) are not equivalent to discrimination. I think they are artifacts of a policy of discrimination but large scale statistical discrepancies cannot be assumed to be due to [active] discrimination.

      December 12, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
  82. white guy

    actually, you should probably accept that they do. then get over it.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:41 pm | Report abuse |
  83. sleepytime

    Wow. Thanks for sharing those brilliant insights.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nyan Bat

      If its not true, why do youchoose to respond?

      December 12, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • sleepytime

      Er... because it's not true?

      December 12, 2011 at 10:49 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Flipper

    When African-Americans are constantly subjucted to race hustlers like Jackson, Sharpton, the NAACP, and the Democrat party who constantly claim that *certain* white people (and certain conservative black people) are racist and that African-Americans need to rely on them (the race hustlers) and the government rather than themselves, it should be no surprise that many blacks think that discrimination against blacks is alive and well, whether or not they have been victimized or not. Of course, it doesn't help when many media outlets pander to African-Americans and perpetuate that story (can you say CNN and "Black in America?").

    December 12, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
  85. roger

    well duh, of course we're not post discrimination... as long as conservatives keep pushing their anti minority bills(like they did with slavery and segregation), then we will never be post discrimination. Look at the connection, slavery took place in the south, segregation took place in the south. The kkk and other hate groups are mainly in the south. Conservatives are in the south. see the connection?

    December 12, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Flipper

      Roger, it was the Democrat party that was the party of slavery, segregation, and the KKK. It was the Democrat party in the South that fought viciously against the 1960s & 1970s civil rights movement. The most integrated part of the country is in the South, controlled largely by Republicans. The most segregated parts of the US are major cities like Boston, Philly, Detroit, St. Louis, etc. Guess what party controls those areas?

      In the future, please spare us your uninformed commentary.

      December 12, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • roger

        if you knew anything, you would know that the parties used to be switched. Democrats were conservatives, and republicans were liberals. Many ppl get this confused. In my original comment, i said conservatives, not repub/dem. next time, try reading the actual comment and know a little history.

        December 12, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • southerner

        Yeah, but all those southern democrats switched to republicans...you should also know your history.

        December 12, 2011 at 11:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kile

        It is the Democrat party that insists on keeping blacks ignorant and dependent upon the government for their very survival so that they will keep voting Democrat. The democrats control the schools which fail to educate inner city black children. It is the democrats that control the unions that control the schools. It is the Democrats that prefer to give blacks just enough to survive but not enough to thrive. It is the Democrats that keep preaching racism and hatred. Democrats are the blacks worst enemies.

        December 12, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • flybender

      History supports the racist laws but the Democrats were no better or worse than the Republicans. Look it up. Remember Lincoln was a Republican.

      December 12, 2011 at 10:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • roger

        yes, and if you knew anything, you would know that back then, republicans were liberals, and democrats were conservatives. when did i ever say republican/ democrat??

        December 12, 2011 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • GetReal

        Abe was a Republican, but he risked his life and lost it because he 1) didn't want the US split in two, and 2) believed a man should be paid for a day's work. He bore no resemblance to the Republicans of today. The label is useless on him.

        December 12, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • HM8432

      The kkk and other hate groups are mainly in the south. Conservatives are in the south. see the connection?...

      Obviously you haven't noticed the neo-Nazi groups that are prevalent in places like Idaho and other parts of the West and Midwest. The South is not permanently stuck in 1964 like most hypocritical Northerners would want you to believe. At least in the South, blacks and whites live mixed together in communities of every size, while up North you guys tend to cram your African-American populations in inner-city ghettos and tenement buildings. I spent some time in upper New England, and there simply weren't many blacks to be found; in fact, some of the worst racial jokes and comments I heard were from Yankees who were usually quick to wag their fingers at supposedly 'racist' Southerners in almost the same breath!

      I've had African-Americans tell me that one of the reasons they prefer the race relations of the South over the North is that at least in the South, they're able to recognize who the racists really are because of their honesty...Northerners tend to only PRETEND they like black people, that is until they go back to their all-white small towns and suburbs. Don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about. Remember the forced school bussing riots in Boston back in 1976? If not, there are some great photos from it on-line. NYC was also VERY pro-Southern before and during the Civil War. Northern slave ship captains made a huge profit off their trade even after the Confederate government abolished the slave trade in 1861...they simply transported their contraband to places like Cuba and South America instead, all the way until 1865, when the Federal government was able to fully focus their attention on ending this illegal practice at New England ports. People like yourself fully share our guilt, but lack the personal candor to admit it.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Arcady

        You live in a mixed environment in the south because the whole south is a ghetto.

        December 13, 2011 at 12:13 am | Report abuse |
      • Mark

        Now there's the paranoid schizophrenia at work: "they only PRETEND to like us"
        Now who is seeing boogeymen? I like who I like and many of those I like happen to be "black". I am not PRETENDING to like them. I really do like them. And it is because I like individuals based on how they act as individuals. I hate tons of "white" people as individuals because of how they are as individuals. I am not PRETENDING to hate them. I think they really suck as human beings regardless of their skin color. The same goes for INDIVIDUALS of every "color" because we all have different amounts of melanin in our skin and so "color" isn't really a good indicator of an individual's likeability.
        But thinking people are PRETENDING to like you is just insane and paranoid. See a psychiatrist.

        December 13, 2011 at 6:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Kile

      Learn your history, son. Jim Crow, segregation and all of that was all put in place by the DEMOCRATS. The Emancipation Proclamation (that thing that freed the slaves) was signed by a Republican. The 1964 civil rights act was passed through congress by the Republicans over the objections of the Dixiecrats (southern Democrats). You must be a product of public education um, I mean indoctrination.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • dan

        if you actually believe the republicans passed the 1964 civil rights act you have no idea what you are talking about. the majority of votes for it in both houses came from democrats (who also controlled both houses overall), and it was signed into law by a democratic president. but what's more interesting isn't the parties specifically, but the ideologies and geography of who voted for what. The primary bloc in favor of the act were northern dems, with a major assist from northern republicans. The southern republicans were almost unanimous against it, and southern dems were vastly opposed also. most of those dems ("dixiecrats") joined the republican party in the following years. Throughout the country's history, the people/parties pushing equality, civil rights, etc have been based in the north, and later also in the west and midwest, which today are mostly democratic strongholds (new england in particular). the old south has opposed those goals, and today it is the republican base. so long story short, if you are trying to claim that the modern republicans are responsible for freeing the slaves or civil rights or whatever, you are an idiot.

        December 13, 2011 at 12:08 am | Report abuse |
      • Jacob

        dan, that was a great post. I salute you, sir!

        December 13, 2011 at 6:47 am | Report abuse |
      • HM 8432

        Arcady: You live in a mixed environment in the south because the whole south is a ghetto.
        Mark: But thinking people are PRETENDING to like you is just insane and paranoid. See a psychiatrist.

        An uninformed statement. The North is really the ghetto; it's not called the 'Rust Belt' for nothing! We here in the Sun Belt are progressive and we have a booming job market and better economy down here because all the manufacturing plants we have here now. New construction and urban revitalization everywhere, no Detroit's here. The South also has some of the best universities in the country, and unlike places like Yale or Harvard, most of these schools have a healthy black population.

        It was the BLACK people I was referring to who think that many Northerners pretend to not be prejudiced against them. It looks like a number of you misinterpreted my post, I could care less what Northerners think of blacks, because I know that as a 'racist' conservative from the South, I love them for who they are, as MOST people from the South really do. I'd challenge anybody from up North to come to North Carolina where I live and find the mythical local KKK chapter...you won't, because they are socially passe' and have not been popular in the South for decades!

        December 13, 2011 at 8:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Kile

      Roger, classical liberalism is what today is called conservatism. Small government, self reliance, free markets, low taxes, basically FREEDOM, are all classical liberal philosophies as opposed to monarchy, despotism and feudalism. Now let's look at the parties. The Republicans believe in freedom from over regulation and high taxes of big government. Democrats believe in regulating every aspect of your life and confiscating your property to use as the ruling elites sees fit. Which do you prefer, freedom or submission?

      December 12, 2011 at 11:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Megadeth

        I prefer to take Kile out back and shoot him for being a traitor to his country. Any questions?

        December 13, 2011 at 6:49 am | Report abuse |
  86. Stew

    The reality w/ black america is that hundreds of years of subjugation created the african american culture that we see today. To assume that this can be turned around and every thing a-ok borders on delusion. I would think that it would take 10x as long to undue the negative affects of the racist society that was promulgated and not reversed in course until the CR movement, but that is an extremely depressing outlook.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bob Brown

      You need a history book. From 1776 to 1861 is less than 100 years. So, you say, racism didn't end in 1861, and that is true, but "subjugation" did, by 1864. There is no "hundreds of years" of subjugation.

      December 12, 2011 at 10:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • southerner

        If that's the case, please explain certain voter registration laws designed to keep blacks from voting. And, please explain why some cities in states (Lake Oswego Oregon) passed city ordinances preventing blacks from purchasing property until 1981.

        December 12, 2011 at 11:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • readalittlebit

        hundreds of years of subjugation:


        December 12, 2011 at 11:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • readalittlebit

        also....to clarify our terms:


        December 12, 2011 at 11:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • guest

        idiot! Subjugation didn't begin in 1776. What a foolish comment.

        December 12, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tim

        Funny, because I remember reading that the slave trade and the importation of slaves to these shores occurring before 1776, and even before 1676. Certainly not hundreds of years, but it got pretty close or over 200 years.

        December 12, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • ML

        1619-1964 = 345 years

        So yes "hundreds of years of subjugation" would be a fairly accurate statement in this context.

        December 12, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • CG

      Jews have been enslaved, persecuted for 1000's of years, constantly living in countries as minorities, and of course had massive genocide committed against them... why has their culture not similarly suffered? They're consistently one of the most successful members of society wherever they are. To most whites, unfortunately what you're saying sounds like lame excuses. Slavery and segregation were obviously horrible, but it's 2010 – blacks must move on and take responsibility and stop blaming others and externalizing their problems. Name me a race/nationality/religion of people that HASN'T been persecuted at some point.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • southerner

        It's simple. The lighter the skin the better to blend. Jews have the ability to blend better. Dark brown people (be it from India, Australia, Africa, Brazil, etc.) can't blend.

        December 12, 2011 at 11:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • theraven71

        southerner, you hit the nail right on the head. For the life of me I can't understand why people can't see this! The darker your skin, the more likely you'll be disadvantaged.

        December 13, 2011 at 2:08 am | Report abuse |
  87. Will

    Hasn't the racism horse been beat to death? Whenever class conflict starts rising up they turn up the racism campaign to divide the people. The people who make a living from promoting awareness are often propagating more ignorant racism and they know it. Why are there still all black colleges? Affirmative Action is inequality, in the name of equality. I don't know what the answer for black America is. I will agree that "try harder" isn't working very well. I think racists are the minority.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • thaicoffee

      I think you are making a reference to HBCU's (Historically Black Colleges and Universities). That status is just in reference to those schools that were segregated by law. Today they are open to all and a few years back the Valedictorian of Morehouse (possibly the most famous of the HBCU's was a white student. That doesn't change the fact that a similar white student with the same grades, the same degree and the same job with the same company is statistically likely to make substantially more than a black student.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Report abuse |
  88. sleepytime

    A very interesting study but also a very poorly written article.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
  89. mochica

    While a student at the University of California I noticed that no one on campus dared say anything that might be perceived as racist, yet social groups were divided along strictly racial lines. No matter what your race you were destined to be locked into that ethnic group. When I lived in the South there were many instances of overt racism including racist comments, but there was also more interaction between people from different backgrounds.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
  90. Kevin

    I didn't know that white knowledge and white wisdom were any different from black knowledge and Black wisdom. Is there a book for these items, if so maybe that is why I am stupid. Will the government provide me these manuals for Black and White knowledge and Wisdom? Is there are book for Pacific Islanders or Asians on knowledge and wisdom so I can help my children get a leg up on the WHITES. This article in itself is racist and bigoted.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • steve

      when we don't get our way, just call it racism!

      December 12, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • JcReliever

      Good comment. I can tell you are quite wise, and I have no clue, and it really does not matter, what your ethnic make may be. Like you, until this article, I thought wisdom was just wisdom and had no particular "color'.

      December 12, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • mslman71

      There's a difference between the two when it serves an author or industry; when there's money to be made or positions of power to be taken.

      December 12, 2011 at 10:52 pm | Report abuse |
  91. Ironic

    Post racism? The fact that the survey includes other ethnicity as "Other" and do not put into the effort to separate and distinct them, already shows intolerance to people of race. America is not only made up of black and white. To truly overcome race is to acknowledge all race. So no, we are not over racism.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Woogwit

      I have a dream of a time when everyone answers "other" to the race question. That's what I do, and I would encourage everyone to do likewise. Reject the question and the racemongers who pose it.

      December 12, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jugger

        I agree. Whenever I am asked what "race" I am, I answer American. Even did this on the census form. Labeling race is one of the things that divide this country even farther. African-American, Latino-American, Asian-American, by using these terms we are segregating ourselves. Go to Britian and ask a black man what he is, he'll say British. Ask the same in the US and you will get African-American. I believe if you were born in Africa and became a US citizen, you can call yourself African-American. If that person has a child in the U.S. their child is American. End of story.

        December 13, 2011 at 9:13 am | Report abuse |
  92. Wayne

    Using a decades old picture to headline the article. Instead of playing the race card why not travel out to Texas for a present day picture of the painted rock.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
  93. kyle

    I think the questions were not asked appropriately. Instead of asking "in general" do blacks make less then whites, ask specifically if black and whites working the same job for the same company make the same money. If you look and see that garbage men in mississsippi are 80% black and make 35k a year, and the average garbage man in san francisco is hispanic or white and makes 50k a year, is that a real pay discrepency?

    December 12, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • chris

      but 35k a year in ms in cost of living terms is way more than 56k in cali..

      December 12, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Garbageperson

      "Garbage MAN" you say? That's gender discrimination!

      December 12, 2011 at 10:46 pm | Report abuse |
  94. anonymous

    Of course there's still racism. But now there's a big gap between people who like to joke about it and people who think racial discrimination governs everything... Heck I used to be racist, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
  95. TheRationale

    Isn't it odd that aliens that invade earth don't have these problems? They all work together. Heck, in Star Wars people from completely different species and I daresay higher-ordered taxonomic classifications worked together just fine, yet humans in real life can't even get over the smallest of physical differences.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
  96. WTH

    We all know black people can't be racists. I love how the author contrasts these seemingly striking difference and leaves the reader with a sense of "it's not fair and what are the white folks or government going to do about it."

    December 12, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
  97. Jon

    Apparently all these whites who responded that there is little or no discrimination haven't applied to any colleges recently.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steffen

      Yeah, how there is a lot more "black only scholarships" and that there are no such scholarships for only whites. That i believe is racist.

      December 12, 2011 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alex

      Exactly. Why do they even ask for your race on applications? Because they are USING it as a determining factor. Remember that University of Michigan graduate student. The white student had a better academic record than a black student who got accepted. That went to the supreme court and he won.

      Race has, and will always be, a problem in this country. I already got thinking about the "white flight" my family dealt with growing up in Detroit. Don't even want to get into all that.

      December 12, 2011 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Seriously? The college I am attending is at least 20% black males and another 20% hispanic. Well above the population demographic. Many top colleges are basically begging for black students and cannot find them. Your comment also reinforces that race should be taken off entrance applications and quite possibly even the names replaced with numerical cross reference so even the names cannot give idea of race.

      December 13, 2011 at 3:17 am | Report abuse |
  98. ElreyJones

    Of course we are not post racial. Look at all the black on white rapes, lootings, and murders. Over 300,000 Americans (whites) have been murdered by africans (blacks) since MLK marched on DC. And to think the internationalist bolshevik media covers this up. Shame on the bolsheviks. Yagoda, Kaganovich, etc. Covered them up too.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • marty rogers

      your racist statement (and untrue) proves that racism is alive an well. thanks

      December 12, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • TheRationale

        Actually if you check the US crime records, blacks are historically statistically much more likely to commit homicide than whites. Draw what conclusions you will, but those are just the numbers.
        You can Google it if you want. I did. Look at Wikipedia.

        December 12, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        Actually "any other race" against white is the absolutely highest crime statistic, especially violent crime. Yet whites have the highest rate of "hate crimes" filed against them. Many courts have argued that is impossible for any other race to commit the thought crime of "hate" crime except whites.

        December 13, 2011 at 3:22 am | Report abuse |
  99. razz

    Oh man. Wait for the white people whose privilege is about to show when they leap on this as "anti-white discrimination"...I'm white and I haven't heard anything so ridiculous as "anti-white racism". P-lease. Gimme a break. I'm doing nifty.

    December 12, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • sodef

      Just try to get a job in an all-black business. They'll look at you with amused contempt just for wanting a job.

      December 13, 2011 at 6:55 am | Report abuse |
  100. Dre

    of course, asians are once again ignored. at least these other racial groups were polled..

    December 12, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kai

      Asians don't care about this crap. They're too busy earning doctorate degrees and becoming wealthy from running successful business enterprises ... DESPITE the racism they've encountered.

      December 12, 2011 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
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    • cnnssiek

      You make a good point. The thing is, the ANES study used for analysis by the Greenlining institute didn't ask questions about Asians, Latinos or other races/ethnicities specifically; it focused on perceptions about blacks and whites. I agree with you that there isn't enough data that looks at racial attitudes among ethnic groups other than black and white people.

      December 13, 2011 at 12:54 am | Report abuse |
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