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After years-long legal battle, transgender woman returns to work
Vandy Beth Glenn was fired from her job with the state of Georgia after transitioning from male to female.
December 26th, 2011
02:41 PM ET

After years-long legal battle, transgender woman returns to work

By Emma Lacey-Bordeaux, CNN Radio

Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) - Four years on, Vandy Beth Glenn still gets choked up thinking about the day she was fired from her perfect job.

The petite brunette recalls exactly what her boss said that October day, how the reasons behind the termination sparked a lawsuit that could have far-reaching implications about how transgender people are treated at work.

Vandy Beth Glenn was born Glenn Morrison. At a young age, she says, she knew she wasn’t a man.

“It’s like a constant voice in the back of your head telling you ‘This is wrong. This isn’t the life you are supposed to be living,’” she said.

The voice grew louder as the years went on, but the Georgia native moved through life, earning a journalism degree from the University of Georgia and serving as an officer in the U.S. Navy. She’s fascinated by language, she says, loves to see how government works. In 2005, she landed her perfect job as a legislative editor at the Georgia General Assembly.

Around that time, Glenn’s life outside work began to change, too.

She received a formal diagnosis and name for something she’d long understood: She had gender identity disorder. It’s a somewhat controversial diagnosis but listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the final word for most psychiatrists. The condition is marked by discomfort about one's own biological sex and gender expression.

Working with a therapist, Glenn decided to make the outward change. She began to dress like a woman, and in her personal life, the shift went smoothly. She beams when she recalls the support she received from friends. Some people who transition, she says, experience dramatic breaks with friends, but “that experience is alien to me.” In October 2006, she informed her work supervisor that she planned to become a woman. Her supervisor also expressed support for Glenn and for the decision. For Halloween, she made a first tentative step toward transitioning at work. She decided to come to work dressed as a woman.

The Office of Legislative Counsel at the Georgia General Assembly, where Glenn worked, is responsible for preparing bills for the legislature. The office does serious work, and it’s paramount that it not appear to take any side on matters in front of the legislature. But like in many other workplaces, employees came to work in costumes on Halloween.

Glenn wore conservative women’s business attire, nothing flashy. The outfit did not sit well with the head of her office, Sewell Brumby, who sent her home. He would later testify that he made this decision because “it’s unsettling to think of someone dressed in women’s clothing with male sexual organs inside that clothing.”

Brumby didn’t know that he sent Glenn home because of an outfit she hoped to wear to work every day.

One year later, Glenn, aided by her therapist, decided she’d come to work as a woman: Vandy Beth. She’d continued the charade – a woman at home, a man at work - long enough. Looking back, she quipped, “it’s odd to have two identities and not be fighting crime.”

Glenn's supervisor made Brumby aware of Glenn’s decision. According to court documents, he felt concerned that a transgender employee might be viewed as “perhaps immoral, perhaps unnatural, and perhaps liberal or, if you will, ultraliberal.”

On October 16, 2007, Glenn got the summons she’d dreaded. She was nervous and suspected she was going to lose her job. She questioned whether she would remember the words and reasons her boss used to explain the termination, so she came with a hidden audio recorder.

“Based on previous events that had occurred in the office, I had good reason to believe that I was going to be fired, and I knew that if I was going to pursue any legal action, I would have to have my facts straight,” she said. “I didn’t trust that the man who fired me would necessarily want to accurately report the details of that last conversation, so it just seemed like the prudent thing to do.”

What fuels transgender backlash?

Under Georgia law, Glenn could lawfully record the conversation without her boss’ knowledge or consent, something she knew from a journalism class in college.

“I also thought that, against all odds, that if I didn’t lose my job that day, then the recordings would be a reminder of a great moment in tolerance,” she says.

It wasn’t.

Glenn’s boss said the way she dressed would make others uncomfortable. He told her that her gender transition would be disruptive.
It all happened so quickly. Before she absorbed the gravity of the moment, she was cleaning out her desk and sitting at home, stunned, with her cats as comfort.

Many months later, in July 2008, Lambda Legal filed suit on behalf of Glenn. The organization, which works to establish equality for the gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual and queer community through courts, represented her for free.
Greg Nevins, Glenn’s attorney, knew he’d found a good case when he heard about the recording.

“It was very clear what the reasons were” for her termination, he said. “It was very clearly centered on a belief that people should look a certain way if they are a certain gender in the workplace.”

Indeed, Glenn’s former boss made his reasons plain in his deposition, reiterating a belief that Glenn’s actions were wrong. The state argued that the move did not violate federal law and sought to have the case dismissed.

But despite the legal help, Glenn faced many other costs in the years it took the legal battle to unfold, the costs to her time chief among them.

Months passed before the court ruled on procedural matters, and she had to learn to be patient.

“It wasn’t so important to me how long it took, because I knew it would end,” she said.

Financially, though, the process took a toll. Glenn had to find a way to make money.

She cashed in her retirement savings and drew down her savings. She found work through a temp agency and got editing work from a friend, Chris Lund, who she said “did more than any other one person to keeping me out of bankruptcy in the last several years.” She remembers moments of despair and anger but says she never lost sight of the end point to the suit.

There were costs to her privacy, too. Glenn made news when she took on the state in federal court. She faced probing questions about her genitalia and which bathroom she uses. She had to relive the day her boss fired her again and again. What seems to trouble her most, though, is that nobody ever asks about anything else.

“I’d like to think I’m about a lot more than this. I’m not just a lawsuit plaintiff,” she said. “I’d like to think I’m an intelligent person and a good conversationalist.”

When she speaks about growing up transgendered or facing uncomfortable personal questions, her voice grows soft, almost hard to hear.

But when she speaks about movies or astronomy, she lights up. She rattles off lists of esoteric film directors - Werner Herzog is a favorite - and eagerly explains why Mars fascinates her: “We’ve actually been there. It’s not just some other light in the sky.”

She speaks slowly and deliberately, like she’s thinking about the impact of every word. She weaves in little jokes about grammar and language, then sits back to wait for her audience to catch up.

Still, it was court case that pushed her back into headlines in December.

A U.S. district judge had already found that Glenn was the victim of sex discrimination and said she could return to her job, but that decision was pending the outcome of an appeal.

Months of legal wrangling went by before the case went to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, housed in downtown Atlanta, which has jurisdiction over federal cases from Alabama, Georgia and Florida. It’s one tier below the U.S. Supreme Court and typically viewed as a conservative panel.

But after Glenn’s attorney completed his oral argument in front of the three-judge panel, Nevins says, he had a good feeling. So good that he went home and opened a bottle of champagne.

The judges seemed to readily grasp his argument and even agree with it.

His instinct was right. The 19-page decision leaves little room for interpretation: The judges held that Glenn’s firing met the characteristics of sex discrimination, writing that “all persons, whether transgender or not, are protected from discrimination on the basis of gender stereotypes.”

Now, after years of freelance work and living on her savings and retirement accounts, Glenn finds herself back at work and back at the job she loves. The boss who fired her has since retired.

“It feels great to be back,” she said, but she pauses when asked more questions about her return. “I can’t really talk about my job.”

She's not bound to silence by any legal action, but she’s not comfortable discussing the job she fought so hard for.

She didn’t get back pay but did receive full pay and benefits starting in August 2010, after her victory at the federal district court, even though she did not return to work during that time.

Lund, the friend who helped Glenn find editing work, says her return to work is the first step “towards making her whole.” He stresses that she still has a tough road ahead to get back to where she was, professionally and financially, before her termination.

But Glenn says she hopes the suit will help others in her position.

“I know it sounds like a line, and I’ve said it countless times, but this was never about me,” she said.

Employment lawyers say the ruling may, indeed, go broader than Glenn’s case, as employment lawyers and professors think through the implications of the precedent.

Jamie L. Dodge, a law professor at the University of Georgia who represented employers in discrimination actions, says that because of the decision, she’d recommend that employers revise their policies concerning transgender employees.

The state of Georgia still has the option to appeal this ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court. The attorney for the state did not return calls for comment about the option.

But Dodge says a reversal of the decision seems unlikely.

“The Supreme Court already indicated that this was the way they were looking at these issues,” she said.

In the appellate court’s decision, it cites a Supreme Court case from 20 years ago in which a woman was denied promotion because she was deemed too “macho.” The Supreme Court found that behavior to be discriminatory on the basis of sex.

Now, the 11th Circuit has said the same protection the law affords to others applies to transgender people as well: A person cannot be lawfully terminated because an employer objects to the way an employee expresses his or her gender.

But transgender advocates caution that the ruling will not end workplace discrimination. They hope for legislation at the state and federal levels that bars discrimination based on gender. Currently, only a handful of states protect transgender employees.

For the second consecutive year, a measure that would protect gay, transgender and bisexual state workers will be up for consideration in Georgia’s General Assembly. Glenn sees these moves as part of a trend. She expects prejudices against people like her will fade in her lifetime, although, for some, it will always “get their dander up.”

“Just hope,” she said, “they don’t have power over you.”

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  1. Wheelz

    I think I'm gonna puke!

    December 26, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOregon

      Next time don't drink so much

      December 26, 2011 at 10:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeInMaine

      Make sure you're on your back and asleep when you do so.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
  2. leelou

    We are so happy for you keep your head up and be proud of who you are. No one has a right to judge you nor do they know what their children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, husbands, wives, and daughters will be in the future. There are millions of people still stuck closets and marrgies afraid of becoming who they really are. Some are straight today and gay tomorrow same same !!Know that Hun. God loves you no matter what!! Unconditionally. The sad things is most of the people who left comments of evil will reap just that in their lives karma has away of give us back what we give others. We love you Hun and hope this sends a strong message to other employers for future trans people worldwide. We hope you find a man would love you for who you are. Nowadays marriages come easy for everyone. The best to you

    December 26, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leeroy

      You are as confused as he is.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Robdeneil

    Brava, Vandy! Hang in there, lady!

    December 26, 2011 at 10:08 pm | Report abuse |
  4. immobee

    she looka like a man

    December 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm | Report abuse |
  5. bptsj

    Best wishes to you Vandy. I hope you have a long life in a loving relationship. If I met you when I was in my younger years I would let my heart guide me.

    Brian

    December 26, 2011 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leeroy

      You're as bad as he is.

      December 27, 2011 at 8:27 am | Report abuse |
      • bptsj

        I rather say I'm as good as she is 🙂

        December 27, 2011 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
  6. crp0499

    WOW! these sick pervs keep pushing and shoving this garbage down our throats whether we want it or not. don't they understand that the vast majority of the world knows them as abhorrent immoral sinners who DO NOT want them around? I mean why keep shoving this down people's throats? Do they think it will change how people feel? The courts can write all the orders they want. People, good god-fearing, bible educated people will recogonize the perversion and flee from it. gee whiz...when someone doesn't like you or want you, why on earth would you want to hang around them anyway? go away freaks of nature!

    December 26, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeInMaine

      You are the sick perv. Why should you get to discriminate against someone at work, whose does their job, because you don't like their private choices? Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia or Iran where religion rules everything? You're an un-American fascist.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tex Gritter

        Why dont YOU move to Norway or France, you filthy sicko. Yeah, I sympathize with the rest of the NORMAL folks in this world. I am sick of Federal inter-meddling in OUR States business. SICK is the final word.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan Barron

        Pipe down, Tex! The adults are talking...

        December 26, 2011 at 10:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Athens guy

      Prove that the vast majority abhors "them". Besides, since when is prejudice a valid parametr to judge someone? Short sighted people are everywhere.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rob

      I agree this is disgusting. I'm gay and freaks like this make me SUPER uncomfortable and there should be no requirement that you be forced to employ someone who knowingly castrated themselves

      December 26, 2011 at 10:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Rob

        So in your book, how would you feel about a transman? They take testosterone, opposite of Castration.

        December 26, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan Barron

      You may as well face facts. You're side is losing. Should be completely over and done in, oh, about 10-15 years or so.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan Barron

        *Your* side...

        December 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • bptsj

      No worse than you Religous Right wing-nuts pushing religion down our throats. Live your own life and leave everyone else alone. If you want a religious society go buy an island and start your own country.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • rjo3491

      Crp, nobody cares what you think. So just deal with it.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • slupdawg

      Because they need to make a living, you fool. I suppose they should go to the leper colony and beg for alms? Remember your Jesus who walked amongst them as well. Should you not try to be more like Him, rather than what you are now, which is an intolerant, holier-than-thou, hypocrite. Have an awful day.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alexa

      Not to alarm you but you have used "shoving this down people's throats" twice in a single paragraph about a transgendered person whose simple existence appears to enrage you ... your Freudian slip may be showing.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • MikeInMaine

        ROFL!

        December 26, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • PhillUranus

      I find the "god-fearing" expression the most ridiculous thing among the church freaks.
      Are they worshiping the devil to be so afraid?

      December 26, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tex Gritter

        This will probably fall on deaf ears, but the phrase "god-fearing" is a reference to people who RESPECT their God, not that they tremble in fear of Him.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan Barron

        What?!?

        December 26, 2011 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakota2000

        The ignorant fear god because they are so full of hatred they know, deep down in side that they would burn in hell if one existed. So, of course they fear god. Duh.

        December 27, 2011 at 12:14 am | Report abuse |
      • Carl

        What you said makes no sense, whatsoever.

        December 27, 2011 at 12:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Gee Wizz

      Why would someone be "good God fearing people" if God is meant to be compassionate? I don't get the concept.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • m

      Your disgust about the way this person lives their life is the same disgust that millions of people in this country have about your religion. There is no proof of a "gawd" and the bible you cling to so tightly is filled with historical errors. Try actually reading it to find that the "alignment of planets" that supposedly hailed the birth of jesus actually happened in what would be 6 B.C. That the current date for christmas was stolen from the winter festivals by the Romans because it was the only way to grow the cult of christianity.

      This country was founded on people being different, though like you many of them very disturbed. It is the same, old, tired complaints that were given about blacks, minorities, women, etc that religion held back for years. Face facts, people with different lifestyles are around you every day. Where you work, where you live & despite what you think in that hall of bigotry you go to every Sunday.

      Freedom of choice is essential to all life. This person living the way they want is not forcing anything on you. It is you trying to smoother them that is the problem. You aren't being asked to live with them, sleep with them or do their laundry (maybe laundry, you seem stupid enough for a lowly job like that). Hopefully in my lifetime your kind of hatred will go away but with the lack of education in the south, it is unlikely.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ronny

        Amen, brother.

        December 26, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Carl

        You tell me only two things there were not mentioned in the bible. The alignment of planets, and the actual date of Christ's birth. If you must know, Christians are aware that his birth was probably in late fall to coincide with the harvest.. The roman catholic church chose the 25th of December to counter the pagan festival celebrating fall. WHen he was born is not important.. the fact that He was born is.

        So tell me of these "errors"....

        December 26, 2011 at 11:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakota2000

        ".....‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than this.."
        Well, that was my take away message after 12 years of a Catholic education.

        Religion reinforces the innate desire to love all people. Hatred is the result of thick skulls and ignorance. Don't blame it on religion.

        December 27, 2011 at 12:12 am | Report abuse |
      • Carl

        Clearly you have not read any metaphysical journals which state that the universe as we know it could not have happened by chance.

        If you want to provide an intelligent response, please educate yourself in the area in which you are speaking. Otherwise, you sound like a fool.

        December 27, 2011 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
    • crp0499

      The angry responses do nothing to further the discussion here. There is a right and a wrong and the man clearly an evil, sinful and perverted man. That's not written to be mean. Those terms are quantifiable. The man is a sinner, he's perverted and going against nature and God and as he continues to pursue this course, he is clearly evil.

      The world will not suffer these immoral people any more than we will suffer pheodphiles or rapist. This man should turn to God and ask for help.

      Poor man and his supporters. I'll pray for you all.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan Barron

        Self-righteous p rick.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • SosYourMom

        No. TRUE evil is someone like you who distorts and perverts God's word to justify oppression, hatred, and intolerance. Yours is the path of darkness when you wish ill upon your fellow man. You have no right to speak for God or to sully the plan He has for all of us, including Vandy. God has His reasons for creating people like Vandy and they are not mistakes. The person here who has the most to fear from God's retribution is you.... no one with so much hatred in his soul truly has God in his heart.

        December 26, 2011 at 11:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • LookIn YourOwnBackyard

        Oh, and you're so pure and holy, crAp0499? You need to remember what Jesus said "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." (from the King James Bible). But with your con-voluted mentality I suppose you think you are very pure and sinless no less, so that you can criticize others! But I've got NEWS for you!

        December 27, 2011 at 10:09 am | Report abuse |
      • crp0499

        you see what i mean? just evil and vile responses to rational thinking. there is a God and He will hold this man accountable for his immoral behavior, as he will hold me accountable for mine. it's not a one way street. all men fall short and for that reason we need Christ. I just want a spade called a spade and avoid the misdirection and appeals for compassion for sinful behavior. This man needs help! He needs God. Let's avoid the meanness and focus on solving his problem.

        December 27, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leeroy

      Although I agree with you . . . I think we have to work on our tact. I'm learning that people have a hard time with the truth. I read about that in the scriptures. 🙂

      December 26, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      Nobody that I know wold ever give you the time of day. You are a sad excuse for a human being.

      December 26, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Tom

    The fact that people are defending this thing speaks volumes about modern society as a whole. How is it possible to defend this? It is literally disgusting and frankly makes one queasy. Also, I hope it has fun working at a place where literally no one form management on down will want to work with it.

    December 26, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom

      from*, that is

      December 26, 2011 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Athens guy

      Maybe your ideas are too old? People have been saying the same as you for centuries. She is not a thing. She is a human being.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tex Gritter

        SHE used to be a HE. I agree with you, Tom. It is one freaky little world.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeInMaine

      Who elected you to speak for everyone else? How about you move to Iran or Saudi Arabia and live under the rule of their religious ideas?

      December 26, 2011 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tessa2U

      Take a "tums" Tom and get over it...SHE deserves the same rights as you and I do.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • JustJ

      No. It doesn't make one queasy. It makes YOU queasy. You have nothing to do with this person, and she has nothing to do with you.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leeroy

      I'm with you Tom. Sign of the times, no doubt. But no surprise if we read our scriptures. Sad times we live in. But also good times when we are on the right side. 🙂

      December 26, 2011 at 11:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • What Mentality

        You're on the right side, Leeroy? That's EXACTLY what those who were with the INQUISITION thought and what Whites thought during the fifties in this country as they dis-crim-inated against blacks! Keep on fooling yourself, brother, Hell ain't half full as yet and with your way of thinking they'll surely welcome you one day!

        December 27, 2011 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
  8. Dee

    DO NOT BRING RELIGION INTO THIS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MATTER AT HAND. It has everything to do with the fact that someone was discriminated against and sought justice. Period. End.

    December 26, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leeroy

      Religion has everything to do with it. It's at the root of our values system and legal system.

      December 26, 2011 at 11:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • Carl

        That depends on whether or not you are religious. I believe in God, it is my life and I live for him. There is nothing you can say that will change that.

        December 26, 2011 at 11:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • What Mentality

        Go present that lame and naive argument to the FIRST AMENDMENT scholars, you Fool!

        December 27, 2011 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
  9. moe smith

    why the heck would you want to return to some place no one wanted you? To prove a point? typical woman...

    December 26, 2011 at 9:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Craig

      Agree to the first part. It won't last there long, it's hard to work at a place where no one wants you there

      December 26, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • JOregon

        It didn't say no one wanted her there. It said her supervisor who has since retired didn't want her there. BIG difference.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • neuron2003

      It wasn't "no one"– it was the supervisor.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan Barron

      That's it. Willfully ignore the part where it says that most of her co-workers supported her, including her immediately supervisor. It doesn't even sound like the fathead that fired her actually worked *with* her at all.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Tim

    Way to Go Vandy. My Best Wishes for the New Year!

    December 26, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tessa2U

      DITTO...congrats and thanks for paving the way for others...you should be very proud that because of you, others will be spared the discrimination that you endured. Good luck in your new (old) job!

      December 26, 2011 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Brad

    So now the company can't fire "her" even if "she" performs badly. Nice going! Talk about job security.

    December 26, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • SFC Mike

      Actually, they can. Just not for the over the top reason that the supervisor thought she was "immoral" or "liberal," lmao or that people would be "uncomfortable" around her. Job termination for reasons that are not unlawful is still available if warranted.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeInMaine

      Typical scare tactic baloney! Performance had nothing to do with why she was illegally fired. I'm surprised she didn't get back pay for the whole period.. she should have.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • JohnInMichigan

        Why? She was working then at the place, getting pay for nothing to me sounds like a union job. Opps me bad 🙂

        December 26, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
  12. woodrow

    Bully for her/him. Now in this day and time, you'd think a supervisor would think twice before wasting an employee because they don't like something for some personal reason. People are stupid and you have to account for that everywhere you go.

    December 26, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Quee Taiyang

    I think we should take the words 'In God We Trust' off of our currency, because it's obvious that the US government at every level is supportive of those who have no trust or faith in God.

    The biggest problem I have with so-called 'transgendered' people is that they are questioning God's placing of them in this world in the gender that they have. They will have to answer to God when they meet Him, but in the meantime I don't think that the government or those people should force me to be accepting of what I consider blaspheming of God's will – in the workplace or anywhere else.

    December 26, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • mingo

      Does the word 'paranoia' ring a bell for you?

      December 26, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Qwerty

      Well god created small-minded biggots. Why not transgendered people?

      December 26, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • steven

        God created the entire universe that is composed of trillions of stars in thousands of galaxies spread out over billions of light years with the possibility of thousands of other civilizations, and he personally placed this woman in a man's body. You have to love personal attention. Nature is the ruling power and with nature anything and everything will happen.

        January 10, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeInMaine

      Finally you get it! Our laws are those that we have put in place thru the democratic process. The fables in the bible are not our laws.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOregon

      In God We Trust was placed on our money in 1864 – almost 100 years after this Nation was founded. This Nation was not founded on any religion. That was made clear in 1797 when our founders read the translation of the Treaty of Tripoli out loud in the Senate and UNANIMOUSLY signed it into law.
      Article 11 reads:
      –"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."–

      December 26, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakota2000

        Your my new hero! I knew the quote but did not know where it came from.

        December 27, 2011 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
      • Carl

        We aren't talking about our money.

        December 27, 2011 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
      • JOregon

        That's right Carl money is irrelevant, but Quee was trying to make some kind of connection to God, Money, and Transgendered people.
        Usually that follows the argument that the US was founded on the bible, which it wasn't.

        December 27, 2011 at 1:11 am | Report abuse |
    • YBP

      Which god? The god of the ancient Middle East? Why would anyone in this day and age look to the ancient world for wisdom, values or ethics, particularly that region, which to this day remains as backwards and barbaric as it ever was?

      December 26, 2011 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2Smart4Tea

      Why is it that backward bigots always have to drag their imaginary god into questions like this? No wonder people are leaving religion in droves – the actions against this young lady were WRONG, and saying that your god supports them is saying that your god agrees with discrimination, bigotry, and hate. I'd ask that you think about this, but apparently you don't think about much of anything, so I'd be asking far too much. Goodnight, bigot!

      December 26, 2011 at 10:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • GaryB

      Your comment makes no sense. Should a child born with a cleft palate be denied surgery because he was born that way? Should an infant born with a hole in his heart be denied surgery for the same reasons? Should a soldier who steps on a landmine be denied a prosthesis because God obviously wanted him to have one leg? God gave us brains to figure out when things are wrong and figure out how to fix them.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • Radical Rick

        Umm...yes? That's part of what religion is. Your whole entire life is in God's hands. If its your time to die, it's your time to die. We have emotions and thats what causes us to try and save someone from death or change. If you are religious and don't realize that every single moment of your being is God's doing, then I feel sorry for you.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • SosYourMom

      Who are you to interpret God's will and to speak for God Himself?! Only God can make such proclamations. He has a plan for all people, including the transgendered. Who is to say that what Vandy has done is not His will? Watch yourself, for God may have words with you about how you claim to be His voice.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Siva

      Wow – what ignorance! You do know this is a form of aberration that happens during fetal development right. While most of the fetuses are matched between mind and body, some are not. These are those people. In olden days they were condemned. Now they are able to assert themselves because we are a society of equality. Don't get me started on "the way God wanted", etc. Then you should be against saving every child that is born with a hole in their heart or some other fatal anomaly!

      December 26, 2011 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Couch

    There is no such thing as gong from a she to he or vice versa. The proper term is "IT"

    December 26, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2Smart4Tea

      and the proper term for you is "ignorant bigot" – just to get our terms straight...

      December 26, 2011 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • VelveteenLady

      Those "its" as you call them, are someone's daughter, son, brother, sister, father, mother. Where is your proof of membership in the deity, which would give you the tiniest right to judge? How about checking into your own family. There is much that is not spoken about and much that is unknown. So, don't be so quick to judge. I wish for you the same discrimination that you heap upon folks, whom you don't even know. You're pathetic.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Craig

    Jesus it's gross how this article refers to this abomination as a "her". Just disgusting. Imagine how awkward it is for it at it's work

    December 26, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      Know what else is gross? That you would make such statements following the word "Jesus." Jesus would want nothing to do with your bigotry.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • lin

        right on- well put

        December 26, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Craig

        First I'm not even religious, and second, do you think Jesus would be okay with this? God creates everyone in his image after all, to go against that is blasphemy, no? This is nothing short of an abomination.

        December 26, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • YBP

        Actually, in Mark's gospel (the original version of the tale of Yeshua the Nazorean, before Matthew and Luke edited and corrected much of it), Jesus is a bit of a bigot himself, referring to Gentiles as dogs, and others as pigs. Not a word about peace in Mark's version. And the only time that Jesus utters the word 'love,' is when quoting scripture, referring to loving his Jewish neighbors. The historical Jesus wouldn't touch a non-Jew with a ten-foot pole. He was as violent and backwards as the time and place in which he lived. And that's what got him killed.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeInMaine

      Grow up.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • YBP

      Do some research. Take a class. Whatever it takes to cure all this ignorance about Jesus and gender.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dakota2000

      There is no possessive form of "it" that is spelled "it's." You should write "its."

      I therefore conclude that you are uneducated. Oh, wait, I could have guessed that form the substance of your text...

      December 27, 2011 at 12:22 am | Report abuse |
    • steven

      What a troll. ROFLMAO.

      January 10, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
  16. DaveG

    I applaud your courage Ms. Glenn.I fought alongside men and women who share your courage, for your (and everyone's) right to live in a free society. There will always be those that choose to hate, and I fought for that right also. Those I fought against would choose to stone you for who you are, and I thank God we're above that in this country... though it's hard to tell from some of the comments I've read. Good luck in all your endeavours.

    December 26, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dakota2000

      I think it is likely that everyone fits on a line between male and female bracketed by Hulk Hogan and Marilyn Monroe.

      How many men are as macho as Hulk Hogan? How many women are as feminine as Marilyn Monroe?

      December 26, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Leeroy

    I wrote a Nobel Peace Prize worthy entry and it apparently got chopped. Anyway, I mentioned how there are a lot of us who believe in the scriptures we read daily and believe that there in fact was a place called Sodom and Gomorrah and that the world today has become much more wicked then in those days; thus, we are clearly headed for the same outcome. We also know that it is individually wrong to simply roll over and let the people who are wrong to continue to try to confuse everyone else; including our children. Therefore, we will fight for what we believe in. Not with our fists (unless you take the first swing), but with the legal system . . . not with anger and hatred, but with love and patience. As the Prophet said, "Love the sinner; hate the sin" . . . or something like that. Anyway, get ready for a fight. Collectively, it looks like we will lose the short term fight as you continue to confuse more and more people. But make no mistake . . . we will win the war. Which side will you be on?

    December 26, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOregon

      –As the Prophet said, "Love the sinner; hate the sin"–
      Who said that? The only time I have ever heard that attributed to anyone was Calvin of Calvin and Hobbs fame.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      This has nothing to do with starting a war. It has to do with someone being born transgender and being fired illegally. It has nothing to do with religion either If you want to "start a war" good luck with that. You will be on the loosing side. We as people are advancing and evolving for the better in a lot of ways with the exception of people such as yourself.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • On JesusSide

      Which side will we be on you ask? On the side that Jesus was on, of course! And you have to remember that Jesus spoke Not One Word about gays or other related people! And it is by the Blood of Jesus that we are Saved! What's YOUR excuse!

      December 26, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • YBP

        Jesus was a hateful, indignant Zionist who wanted the Romans, a far more advanced culture, out of his country. Period.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan Barron

        YBP, I'm an atheist and supportive of this person's assertion of her rights, but that there you just posted shows that either you've never read the New Testament or you have a perverse understanding of what it says. Jesus never spoke once against the Romans–indeed, he said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"–and his unwillingness to rise up against the Romans in active revolt was probably the main reason Judas betrayed him.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rob in Atlanta

      Why can't I simply say I don't want to try to figure out whether you are male or female. I guess you are an it!!

      December 26, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOregon

      The bible does not command us to go into all the world pointing out what we think are sins.
      We are commanded to go into all the world and preach the gospel.
      The meaning of "gospel" is good news.
      The Good News was deliverance from sin. Both the penalty of eternal death and the grip of sin in life.
      I am so sick and tired of pretend Christians running around pointing their fingers at others .... Look down at that hand of yours those other 3 fingers are pointing right back at you.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeInMaine

      Your anti-American, anti-democracy sentiment is what's scary! Wouldn't you just love to live in a Christian theocracy? A Christian Taliban maybe? How about you go somewhere else and make that happen? Antarctica maybe?

      December 26, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2Smart4Tea

      "I wrote a Nobel Peace Prize worthy entry...." WOW, after this bunch of BS I couldn't even read any farther!

      December 26, 2011 at 10:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Find PeaceWithin

      Leeroy, unfortunately, YOUR anger, prejudice, and hatred of God's children is most overbearing! You need to read this http://whosoever.org/v6i6/cindy.html and I hope you find peace in your heart for your fellow man despite his or her differences!

      December 27, 2011 at 10:39 am | Report abuse |
  18. jamesd

    Good for you Miss Glenn –You are tough enough–I hope you get a Jillion $ from the Jerks–

    December 26, 2011 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leeroy

      Sinse when is mutilating ones self, by choice, worth anything . . . let alone a "Jillion" dollars? Again, confusing right and wrong and good and bad. This was fortold long ago.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • MikeInMaine

        Your concept of morality is evil.

        December 26, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • steven

        Foretold? Whatever you say is not worth the dirt on my shoe. It has been foretold that the world will end in less then a year from now. So, who cares what you think.

        January 10, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
  19. MonkeyZLuffy

    Why does society have to accept social weirdos like this? If I was his boss I would have fired him to. It would damage the reputation of any business to have a weirdo like that working there.

    December 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOregon

      Do people accept you?
      What you said is about as much of a social weirdo statement as anyone could make.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • MonkeyZLuffy

        I'm not from San Fransisco my response is pretty normal where im from.

        December 26, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • JOregon

        Too bad for you Monkey. There certainly are pockets of ignorance in the world.
        I don't live in SF either, nor does Vandey.

        December 26, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • MonkeyZLuffy

        There are no "pockets"

        Social weirdos like that will never be accepted by the greater majority anywhere.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • JOregon

        "There are no pockets" says the person living in a pocket.
        Some of the biggest problems on this planet are because people can't accept others for who they are.
        Control freaks. Need to try and make others fit their mold.
        You can see the result of this mentality in places like Iran, and that pocket where you live.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • LindaU

      You would have done the same thing, and you would have cost your company tons of money in legal fees. And in the end it would have gotten you nowhere, because you would have been forced to take back in the same employee you decided to discriminate against.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Never Debate

      Your user id matches your character, you are a monkey.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • chris

      Because the court says so and if you fired her you would be in the same boat he was in. Why does it matter if the person can do the job and can do it well without issue I don't care if they come to work in an elephant suit.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      Some of these comments are unbelievable. What rock did some of you people crawl out from under? wow So much ignorance and hate and total lack of understanding for a fellow human beings plight. Open you eyes (and your heart) people and educate yourself as well.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2Smart4Tea

      And if I were the company owner I'd fire you for discrimination in violation of company policy and against the law. Then I would rehire her – into your old job.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      Are you for real? Nah....not possible haha nobody could be so ignorant.

      December 26, 2011 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
  20. J R Brown

    I'm kinda lolz'g at the article who quotes the subject as "hearing voices in his/her head"...if that ain't a qualifier for "crazy", I'm not sure what would be.

    Why am I supposed to feel empathy toward a mentally ill person fired from her job because her mental illness is disruptive in the workplace?

    December 26, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • SosYourMom

      I know many people who claim they talk to Jesus, and often hear His disembodied voice in prayer. If that doesn't qualify as "crazy", I'm not sure what would be.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • J R Brown

        As an atheist, I can't refute your comment. Although, I'd suggest to you that people who smoke are equally mentally ill....after all, doesn't deliberately poisoning yourself contradict the primal survival instinct? I'd would think smokers to be more mentally ill than the transgendered or religious.

        December 26, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joplin

      Hell you elected a President who heard a voice in his head that told him to run...

      December 26, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • margaret

        Everyone of the Republicans running for president claim God told them to.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • sqeptiq

      You have my sympathy.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • David B.

      U are an ASS

      December 26, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • J R Brown

        So, I'm an ass...doesn't mean I'm "wrong".

        December 26, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeInMaine

      Yes u are an ass and you are wrong. Your baloney excuse has been used throughout history to justify discrimination... don't let blacks in the military – it'll be disruptive, don't let women out of their houses – it'll be disruptive.. better yet, cover them from head to toe and send them to jail if they dare get raped.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Myrrhine

      Because (thankfully) you cannot fire someone legally for a disability or mental illness unless that condition actually prohibits the individual from performing their job duties. If a man or woman can perform a job duty without limitations to the expression of their gender, it is illegal to discriminate on those grounds or for being transgendered.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Johnny

    Why is it that when a guy changes to a woman, it's not so bad. When a woman change to a guy, you have things like Cher's daughter/son. YIKES! They need to do a better job of turning into guys.

    December 26, 2011 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOregon

      The last picture I saw of Chazz (spelling?) surprised me. I thought he looked like a pretty much grown up young man. I couldn't tell you if the women found him attractive but he certainly looked better than a lot of men do. The picture really did surprise me

      December 26, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Ray in Vegas

    I think it's kind of like someone who has fangs implanted in his mouth, starts drinking blood and sleeping in a coffin, and then insists the whole world acknowledge him as a real live vampire. A kitty a mangled p.p. does not make. Live in your fantasy world if you want to .. but I don't see why the rest of us should have to play pretend games.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • J

      Vampires are made up. Men and women are not made up. In the womb, the growing brain either changes to accommodate male parts or female parts. Sometimes, the brain does not accommodate in the right way. And that's what is transgender. So her brain developed to give her female parts despite having male parts. And that's why she transitioned. So her mind and body did not conflict.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • sqeptiq

        You can't use reason and logic to persuade a moron.

        December 26, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ray in Vegas

        "Sometimes, the brain does not accommodate in the right way. And that's what is transgender." So you aknowledge it's a mental disorder then?

        December 26, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rich

      Did you mother drop you on your head? There is nothing pretend about this. You actually think she's thinking, I want to pretend I am a woman and will go through grief for years in this pretense. Oh, I'm sorry, you DON'T think.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tim Jackson

      I am sure at one time or another you wore clothing that would reflect the values of your group assosciation ie., rockers, punks, mods, mullet-heads. I am sure you would expect some sort of recognition from society for your choices of dress, mannerisms, and habits. I am pleased to say that any person who does not "harm" me is indeed recognized by me as a person under God and worthy of respect. These people lead lives of torture from the onset. They need our help, concern and acknowledgement. Just because they are.....

      December 26, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • stoneage

      Exactly. Transgender people are like "someone who has fangs implanted in his mouth, starts drinking blood and sleeping in a coffin,". Just like b4 the civil rights movement, black ppl were less than human. Tomorrow, all the children of God will demand equality...goooshh what's happening to society.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • SosYourMom

      Who is asking you to participate? It's her body and she can do what she darn well pleases with it. You have absolutely nothing to do with it. If it offends your flower delicate sensibilities, then so what.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
  23. mingo

    'jbmmm' wrote at 8:31 pm:

    'God says its an abomination. God say!! We are Christians. We follow God. Its not a rule of our making.'

    You're hilarious.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Dude

    Didn't Areosmith make like a zillion dollars on some kinda song that has to do with this subject? Chances are now baby girl will write a book a make back all the $$$ she missed out on working for "THE MAN". So it doesn't matter if dude is a lady. You dig?

    December 26, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
  25. DeDe

    They all have giant hands and need to shave twice a day.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • PotsCalls theKettle

      Talking about shaving, Dee Dee, the hair under your feminine arms has become a real bush! So what's YOUR excuse?!

      December 26, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
  26. fda

    I apologize if I were offe nsi ve. Just let it be known that there is a secret body of knowledge about the g a y community that will never be revealed in the media. The life cycle these people undergo is sometimes normal. But in alot of cases the picture of a tran sgen der is a dark and starkly lonely road for people to walk on.
    Accepting them is the correct thing to do. Allowing the person to be at ease with ones being is the first stage of recovery. But the mistake most make is to stop there, if you know a g ay or tran sgen der in your life get to know that person. If you can do that you will begin to understand that there s ex ual ity is a result of abuse from earlier stages in life (NOT ALL, I didn't say ALL – there are many other reasons).
    But denying ones se xual role or gender is an ill ness. You only have to step back and think about it for yourself to realize it. But you first need to understand the benefits of a true het eros exual relationship to comprehend the contrast. And then conclude the obvious medical hypothesis that the person is in fact ill.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • T3chsupport

      How many other 'illnesses' are 'diagnosed' by some random guy on the internet 'stepping back and thinking about it'? How many people are disabled only by the way other people view them, though without that treatment they are happy, productive people? I understand hetero relationships just fine, I have a particularly awesome one. I also understand that, while I would never be able to be in that kind of relationship, because I am not attracted to women, that doesn't mean that someone else is needing help or pity because they feel differently. The only reason gay people have a problem right now is because of the ways other people treat them, and their fear of that treatment. That doesn't make THEM the problem, that makes people like YOU the problem.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • fda

      People love that argument. Its an easy one to agree with. Unfortunately, its just fueling the fire. And if you don't believe me from a medical perspective, just take the theological perspective or natural history perspective.They can all be twisted to sound great but its just not normal. And you are denying reality as well as the healthy lifestyles of the people who need help the most.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
  27. DeDe

    I worked at the corporate office of a major bank when I was in college, and we had a couple of transgender women working there. The only think strange that I noticed about them is that they only hire their own kind, sort of like what Mormons do, and other types of nepotism.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • T3chsupport

      I don't work with any transgendered that I know of, but two of my bosses are le-sbians, and another department head was gay, and I can say that it happens with them, too. There are a lot of gay people in this city, but we've got a very high ratio of gay to straight, something like 1 in 5, or more. Not that there's been anything wrong with that- our office runs like a machine, and my co-workers are all fantastic, open minded people.

      I wouldn't go as far as to call it nepotism though, I think it's a symptom of the times more than anything else. Only recently have 'out' people been able to get hired and not get fired for it, much less rise through the ranks to a hiring position, so if there's the belief that they've been oppressed and can help, that may be what's going on. Once everyone calms down and all are equal, it will all even out again.

      May also have something to do with more attractive people being hired, even when someone else has the same or better credentials, usually with women, don't know about men on that one. People gravitate to who they gravitate toward, whichever orientation. Straight people do it all the time, hire people who are straight and not hire people who aren't. Hire more attractive people instead of uglier people, younger people instead of older people. It may not be right, but it's no worse than anything else.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan Barron

      Did you know that most straight people hire other straight people?!? GASP!!!

      December 26, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • margaret

      That must be some trick, since they are such a tiny percentage of the population.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • VelveteenLady

      First of all, there is no "kind". Secondly, there is a huge difference between a Mormon hiring other Mormons and a transgendered person hiring other transgendered persons. Mormons can get any job, for which they are qualified. As a group, they are not barred from participating as full members of society. On the other hand, transgendered folks have been relegated to the same societal position as blacks were for the first 80 years (or so) of the 20th century, probably even worse. Whatever happened to the belief that so long as someone is qualified for a job, she/he has equal opportunity to compete for it? That it so not true of the transgendered community. Something that is no one else's business establishes a huge barrier for them to live peacefully and to have the right to support themselves. So, your analogy is faulty.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:41 pm | Report abuse |
  28. bbkingz

    eeeeewwwwww!!!!

    December 26, 2011 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan Barron

      Pipe down. The adults are talking...

      December 26, 2011 at 10:16 pm | Report abuse |
  29. BobDole

    Id hit it

    – The Dole™

    December 26, 2011 at 8:41 pm | Report abuse |
  30. ronincalifi

    As an HR guy I have had several of these situations during my career. We were compelled by law to not discriminate and make accommodations for the transgender employees. We did the Legal thing was it the right thing? I can tell you the transgender person in my experience causes a huge disruption among other employees and customers. They seem to become very self-righteous indignant if every demand isn't met exactly as they want it. There are relationship issues with other employees which it seems the Transgender person believes is everyone else's fault. Also, there were deep psychological issues which impacted the work place.. Maybe it's different with others this is just my experience.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • bbkingz

      was your role as an HR person complicated in any way because of the relationship you had with several of these he/she's?
      concerned co-worker
      Los Angeles, Ca.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • LindaU

      I really do believe it depends on the person. Everyone reacts differently, and everyone carries a certain amount of personal baggage to the table.

      I couldn't imagine there being that many accommodations to be made. After all, the facilities for women and men are already there. If the person has fully transitioned, then they should blend in without many problems.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ronny

      What "accommodations" did your company make?

      December 26, 2011 at 11:32 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Rod

    Why Though?

    December 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Brad

    daaaaaaaamn!

    December 26, 2011 at 8:37 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Sally

    Big deal, I've been fired for not sleeping with my boss. They always make up some other excuse as to the reason you're being fired. If you're a cute young woman, all male boss want is someone that can do the job and screw them, too. Ask any woman that you know, and they'll tell you that all bosses try that. I get fired all the time, but because I have impeccable references and have a great educational background, I always find another job. Who wants to work with jerks anyways, even if it is a great job. Life is to short....

    December 26, 2011 at 8:37 pm | Report abuse |
  34. J

    As a young person with transgenderism, I am so happy this lawsuit was won. Yet another reason to be proud of this country. If I was in the middle east, a person like me would have been killed. This country has supported me and upheld me. And I shall do the same for it and all its people (whether they be Democrat/Republican/Religious/Secular/etc).

    December 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • bbkingz

      TRUE DAT MY BRUTHA/SISTA!!

      December 26, 2011 at 8:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • J

        TRUE DAT MY FELLA HUMAN =)

        December 26, 2011 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2Smart4Tea

      AGREE!!! Excellent post!

      December 26, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
  35. infonomics

    I can understand the biological changes but what about the neurological? How does one go from thinking like a man to thinking like a woman without flipping some switches in the brain?

    December 26, 2011 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • SKyle

      The "neurological switches" were already flipped at birth. This woman never thought like a man even when she was trapped in a male body. That is the very definition of transgendered. Read a damn book.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • J

        This person was asking a question. There is no need to be rude. By saying "read a damn book", you are discouraging people from asking questions. In fact, there are not a lot of accessible books about transgenderism and its causes.

        December 26, 2011 at 9:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gisela

      That's an interesting comment – how to learn to think like a woman (or in reverse, how to think like a man): I'm a woman, born and live like a woman, love being a woman, and have been told countless times that I think like a man. Could this be a stereotype, that because I'm logical and analytical that it means that I think like a man?

      December 26, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • You Bet

        Yes Sir! That's EXACTLY what it means!

        December 26, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Report abuse |
  36. Roscoe Chait

    It is a tough world we live in. It's tough enough making a living, finding good friends, and creating good relationships. Why can't narrow-minded, intolerant people just leave other people alone? If Vandy believes she is a female and decides to pursue that objective, that's her business. Based on her interview, she seems like a loving, caring, courageous and worthwhile human being. We need more people like her. Thank you, Vandy, for standing up for yourself and all others who strive to be someone better, maybe someone different, maybe someone who won't be beaten down by bullies, racists and society's foolish norms.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • wowww

      "Based on her interview, she seems like a ... worthwhile human being" Good to know that people's worth, in your eyes, is based on disposition.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brad

      we need more people like her?! why?

      December 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • mikecorp

        to make us all laugh

        December 26, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • chedar

      Deep in our skin we are all made of the same blood and flesh. What we differ in each other is our consciousness and what level of enlightenment we are in. Understand everyone with compassion, and each one of us can go very far as human.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
  37. kebcarerra

    This person has such courage. I think she should be rewarded back pay plus, just for standing up for herself. All the excuses given by her boss are lame. Where does anyone get off telling others how to live their life ?

    December 26, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Report abuse |
  38. The Doctor

    Who really cares anymore?

    December 26, 2011 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Not theDoc

      Not the Disbarred doctor that's for sure! All others Do Care!

      December 26, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Missouri1

    It looks like CNN draws in the suckers with the weirdo stories. I think they are "trolls"

    December 26, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Adam

    "Jamie L. Dodge, a law professor at the University of Georgia who represented employers in discrimination actions, says that because of the decision, she’d recommend that employers revise their policies concerning transgender employees."

    In other words, she would recommend employers stop discriminating? Pretty sure she should have recommended that a LONG time ago.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:26 pm | Report abuse |
  41. JStanley

    It is her body and she can do whatever she wishes to do. Why the hell are some trying to judge/criticize her?

    December 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Duane Charles

    With everything that happens from conception to birth, it surprises me that people can't grasp the concept that some people might just come out different. If I remember correctly, the only thing that separates a female and male during the early stages of birth are hormones. WE don't always get the perfect mix. That's just life.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
  43. 2busy4fun

    I agree with you. Just because you surgically alter it does not change what it is.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
  44. nadine

    My cousin fell in love with what he thought was a woman only to discover that she was actually a transformed he. Till today my poor cousin feels completely disgusted with that person and he feels like he was psychologically raped.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Turtleguy

      Sorry to hear your cousin is so insecure about himself. Maybe if he'd been brought up in a more loving and tolerant family, he wouldn't have these hang-ups about what others might think. If he liked this person, why did knowledge of their past matter so much?

      December 26, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • agathokles

        Great response, Turtleguy!

        December 26, 2011 at 8:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • DG

        Groooooosssssssssssssss!!!!!!

        December 26, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • 2Smart4Tea

        I think Nadine's cousin must be a little backward and ignorant - of course that's just a guess.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • DG

      HA HA HA!!! I will feel the same !

      December 26, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • margaret

      A responsible person would tell someone who is coming to care for them. If they truly loved that person then they could deal with it in an adult way.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse |
  45. T3chsupport

    It's ironic and hilarious when people describe hom-ose xuals or transgendered people as 'confused', when their whole problem with is is the confusion of seeing someone with man parts dressed as a woman, and they find themselves physically attracted to it. Yeah, I'm sure that's confusing for you, but there's no reason to project that on others. It's the problem of others when you yourself cannot control your thoughts and feelings? If the color yellow makes you sad, is that everyone else's problem, too? NOW who needs a shrink?

    You're not disgusted with them, you're disgusted at yourself, which makes you angry at them for being there to make you think those thoughts. Yet, not everyone has a problem with it, and its a mindset which is slowly being thinned out, generation by generation. Does that mean that in a few generations, everyone is going to be g@ y or tran se-xuals, and the species is going to fail? Only about as much as letting g!ngers or left handed people continuing to propagate is turning us red headed and left handed.

    The more of a fuss you make about it, the more you let your true self show, which is exactly the thing you're trying to hide. And that is why hom-oph obes are amusing.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • wowww

      That's like saying "I hate murderers because I secretly want to join them."

      December 26, 2011 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • T3chsupport

        That's like saying that murder is on par with someone doing something which you personally disagree with, though it harms no one. Which is like saying that painting your house yellow is just as bad as shooting someone in the face.

        Do you ever stop to consider the reasons you think the things you think, and where your biases come from, or do you just recycle the things that people stuff in there?

        December 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
  46. randomevent

    All these deviations (mental and physical) is really just a brain pathology. The scientists have a pretty good idea how it works, why it happens, and how to prevent it.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      Really? How do scientists prevent it? I'd like to know because I'm a scientist.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • randomevent

        Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab – Google it!

        December 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • lena

        awesome.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Reggie from LA

        Joe. What kind of scientist are you that you can't track along with Random guy here? I'm sorry. I really struggled to keep my side from splitting and falling out of my chair typing that. It's obvious that Random... is some kind of knowledgeable... there I go again, trying to be serious. Scientists having a lock on this? You've gotta be kidding me. You can't be serious. Where's your "sarcasm" icon, Randomevent? Joe, I expect after this lesson from ol' random, you'll go back to scientist school...there I go again. Bwahaha!! Couldn't hold back.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        That study doesn't indicate how to 'prevent it', it's just indicating possible cause. Of course there are brain differences between gay and straight, I'm not arguing that.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        Reggie – I have no idea what your point is. Are you relevant in your time on this earth? Or do you cover up your lack of relevance with sarcasm to avoid the realization that you don't matter?

        December 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      your comment displays your complete ignorance i feel sorry for you that you have such a narrow and bigoted view of life

      December 26, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      your comment displays your complete ignorance i feel sorry for you

      December 26, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
  47. fda

    People out there quoting the bible as if they actually read it....

    I never said I hated anyone. I am doing more to help these people than you ever have. You are the type who look at Bachmann's clinic and say, nope, can't happen – Lady Gaga is right. But if you step away from the propaganda machine and learn about the overall health of these people, you will find a whole range of data that the media refuses to research.

    Although I do not promote the discrimination of the gay community, I reject the notion these people are normal. Which is why these people should not be discriminated against, for already enacted legislation... it's called disability. The willingness to help the disabled is a form of love.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      Uh oh. This sounds so much like those "reparative therapy" people, using discredited "treatments" to REALLY mess up LGBT patients.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • fda

      Increasing or decreasing gender hormones such as estrogen and testosterone is the easiest way to get a patient on track. Just like increasing dopamine for schizophrenics stops delusions. Chemical imbalances is the term the medical profession uses.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tim Jackson

        And you are a doctor????????

        December 26, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • fda

      Transgenders usually do go to psychiatrists who will administer anti-depressants.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      Yeah, and it appears you would be one of those who would "cure" and "love" them to death. BTW, hormones are only part of the equation. It isn't a nature vs nurture argument, either. Please state these statistics, studies, etc that show this dark side you speak of. Of course, I mean the ones that aren't directly related to discrimination/hostility/crime being directed at these people because of who they are. Oh, and nothing you heard on FOX News, either. Talk about a group of people who need a reality check.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2Smart4Tea

      Like the Spanish Inquisition "helped" all those people turn catholic? You are an ignorant, dangerous bigot, who actually needs help far more than those you propose to assist. I hope you are carefully watched by the local law enforcement community.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
  48. blake

    This is not a woman. It is a mentally disturbed man who has mutilated his body and pumped himself full of hormones. Very sad and very sick.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dobro

      Speak for yourself.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • L

      You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      you are the one who is sad and sick !

      December 26, 2011 at 8:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • bptsj

      She is a beautiful woman. If If she is a caring and loving person it would be hard for me not to fall in love with her regardless of the gender change. What then? Deny feelings of love for someone you truly care about? I don't think that is logical.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • 2Smart4Tea

        Fully AGREE!!!!! 🙂

        December 26, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • DG

      Agree

      December 26, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
  49. Mike

    "Y Chromosome = Male, no Y Chromosome = Female. Anything else is dishonesty." Actually there's such a thing as androgen insensitivity syndrome in which genetic males display outwardly as females because their bodies don't respond to testosterone correctly. Given this I think it's better to go with outward physical presentation than genetic code. And if there's a hermaphrodite, that hermaphrodite needs to pick whichever gender feels more appropriate. And I'm not saying that going the transgender route is completely wrong, but the rule ought to be that something is legally put in place first, and then the gender change is made. That way you don't have women dressing as men or men dressing as women just because they feel like it or prefer those clothes. I don't think anyone wants to get to the point where there's no "Men's Clothing" or "Women's Clothing" departments at Macy's - just one "Clothing" department with a mix of neckties and dresses - do they?

    December 26, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • really??

      So, let's see. What you're saying is that you don't think people are smart enough to select the clothing they want in a situation where there aren't separate Men's and Women's clothing sections? I think the rest of the world finds you to be the stupid one and we're all insulted by your comment.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • HIPunch

      Seriously, I'd rather work with a transgender individual any day of the week than work with you, knowing you are thinking of nothing but what resides between my legs.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
  50. randomevent

    A guy I know was seduced in a bar by one of these creatures (he claims he was too drunk), and when he gropped "her" he discovered a dck! He still get goosbumps just thinking about it! 🙂 So, who's the victim here?

    December 26, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • randomevent

      ...worse than being molested by a priest. Now this would be a serious nightmare!

      December 26, 2011 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hvor

      Let's all be adults here and grow up! I would hope that an encounter with a transgender would be the least of you or your friend's worries.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Craig

      Maybe if he bothered to get to know her, rather than think with his other head, he'd have known what was going on.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • margaret

      If he is drunk in a bar groping strangers then he has bigger problems than having touched a transgender.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Mike

    "If you feel sickened, disgusted, or threatened by transgender people that is YOUR problem." Why? The problem is that here are people who are actually of one gender behaving as if they are of the other gender, and that generates a major cognitive dissonance in the people around them because we are biologically encoded as human beings to treat men and women differently because men and women are in fact biologically different. There are social rules that are being totally flaunted here, and some people are not cool with that, not only because of social conditioning but also because of millions of years of evolutionary conditioning, so why are our feelings irrelevent while the people who have something wrong with them's feelings are of paramount importance? The only reason our feelings toward transgenders are "our" problem is because transgenders consciously decide to MAKE it our problem, and there's good reason to resent that. If, to quote Star Trek, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one," why do the needs of transgenders matter more than the needs of a 99%+ normal society who likes their gender roles and customs and would prefer not to see them flaunted, or have their kids taught that gender is a state of mind rather than "look down, be that"?

    December 26, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      You are confusing thoughts and feelings. Just because you have feelings, that doesn't mean they are correct. Go read about the history of the world 1941-1945.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • wowww

        "But I FEEL like I'm a woman in a man's body." Sounds like a feeling to me. It's like somebody encouraging Hitler to follow his feelings.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        Well, if you feel like a woman in a man's body, then I guess you do understand your feelings.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Really? A transgendered person not wanting to be persecuted or harassed is making it your problem? Poor you, to have to put up with people not wanting you to oppress them .

      December 26, 2011 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • randomevent

      Great analysis!

      December 26, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gregg

      "The problem is that here are people who are actually of one gender behaving as if they are of the other gender, and that generates a major cognitive dissonance in the people around them because we are biologically encoded as human beings to treat men and women differently because men and women are in fact biologically different"

      If this is true, why doesn't this affect me at all? And why is this so-called biologically based cognitive dissonance affecting fewer and fewer people as time goes on (within a generation or two, so not enough time for the species to change or evolve). Reason, is it's not biological, but cultural. There is no biological basis for this.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • SosYourMom

      Honestly, people like you would creep me out a lot more in the workplace than any transgender. I don't want to work with someone who might be wondering what's in my pants. And since your weird fascination with co-workers' genitals makes me uncomfortable, by your logic it is your fault that I am uncomfortable and you should be removed from the workplace.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • HIPunch

        lolol!

        December 26, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • jbmmm

        Your doing the same thing we are fruitloop. Your a nut job your self.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • T3chsupport

      Anyone who switches genders usually wants to be addressed in the manner one would address anyone of that gender. You're only uncomfortable with it because you can't let go of that part of yourself that stops you from doing so, you're fighting to treat them as something you don't see them as- it's like you're a respectful person underneath your ignorance, you just have to get over yourself. It would be disrespectful to address them otherwise, and it harms you not at all.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Craig

      Its a good thing you were not Spock's best friend then, isn't it?

      December 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • SosYourMom

        Good one! He must have missed Star Trek III.

        December 26, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Ja-coffalotte

    can we get a picture of the junk?

    December 26, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • agathokles

      Stand in front of the mirror, if that's what you want. Although you might not be able to see yours...

      December 26, 2011 at 8:41 pm | Report abuse |
  53. James38

    Whew, thank god this disgusting human being is not my son. Instead of getting seeking a cure for his mental affliction he decides to nurture it.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      I'm sure he's pretty happy he's not your son, too. Can you imagine having a small-minded, hateful bigot for a parent?!! How embarrassing.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • mingo

        Good reply!

        December 26, 2011 at 8:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • br549

      You're a right wing christian, aren't you? No need to reply. It's obvious to all the adults reading this thread.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • wowww

        Your post is just as bigoted as James38's. Idiot.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • jbmmm

        Right Wing Christian?Dont push your gay agenda on others and no one will know. Its not an achievment. Stop acting like it is an award. God says its an abomination. God say!! We are Christians. We follow God. Its not a rule of our making.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        jbmmm: your god is not the God of most of the world. And the bible says nothing about transgendered individuals. And, the gay "agenda" is just to not be discriminated against. That's hardly an "agenda."

        December 26, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      Whew, thank God that you are not my dad!

      December 26, 2011 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      Do you often view others not exactly like you as disgusting?

      Perhaps you're the one here who's disgusting.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Plete

      This is a perfect example of bad parenting. A child that had a normal childhood will not grow up to be a vile creature like the sheman in this report.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • mingo

        It must suck to be you.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • mike

        you are the vile creature here

        December 26, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      you are one bigoted disgusting human being "james" I certainly wouldnt want to be one of your children. if you have children i fell very sorry for them that they have such a small minded father

      December 26, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
  54. fda

    It is an illness dude. A transgender who cannot afford these operations is depressed and angry every day of their lives. Just like an alcoholic is drunk everyday. The cure is therapy and friends.
    Most transgenders feel a high after surgery but if you follow their lives for 5 years, you will find the statistics show that that person returns to the same sadness and delusions they had before the surgery...
    Sure transgender may be what they want, but its not what they NEED.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Franklin

      Provide your source of information, please.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • HIPunch

      Now you're just copying and pasting, troll. Take your make believe "statistics" and go find a forum for bigots like yourself where they enjoy thinking about the genitalia of other people day in and day out, much like yourself.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Mike

    "And why should we give a flying rat's behind??????" Because it makes people uncomfortable to have to deal with crap like this. This is other people taking something that exists solely in their heads and, instead of dealing with it themselves, putting it out there for all the world to have to deal with. It's inconsiderate, and it's confusing, and it's something that people shouldn't have to deal with. And it's not like being in a wheelchair, or missing a limb, or having some physical characteristic where there's no concealing it - this is an entirely mental thing that some people can very well keep to themselves but instead foist it upon the world and make it everyone's problem.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Reggie from LA

      I agree that it is confusing...why you are so overwhelmed by this. So you are saying that people with transgender conflicts should remain so to ensure that you are not affected by their issues? It's more about you then, than it is about them. So all people who have these issues (let's say there's 3,000 of them) should contemplate and perhaps have some conferences and other such things to determine how you will be affected? You see here's the rub. We all have a world view. What that means is that X-gender folks have also have world views and you are actually not part of them I'd bet. Get over yourself.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • HIPunch

      Once again, you're saying that individuals with the freedom of choice should have to conform to your idea of "normal" simply because it makes you uncomfortable. Please stop obsessing about what is between the legs of other people.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • T3chsupport

      Yeah, like those mixed race babies. Miscegenation was very illegal, for the very same reasons. Did that make it right?

      December 26, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2Smart4Tea

      So, Mike – these people should suffer silently just so you won't be "uncomfortable"? You are a true humanitarian and a saint of a man! I bet you'd like it if people who have missing limbs would only come out at night, so you don't have to see them either? I'm not sure I've read such juvenile drivel in years! It's YOUR place to deal with your messed up emotions, son, not the place of others to shelter you. GROW UP!

      December 26, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
  56. T3chsupport

    “it’s unsettling to think of someone dressed in women’s clothing with male sectshuaI organs inside that clothing.”
    Here, let me finish that thought for you:

    "Because when I look at someone in women's clothing, all I'm thinking about is what is underneath, and the thought that I might be getting slightly arou-sed by someone, even when dressed professonally, who has male parts, it puts me off of thinking of them as someone I'd fantasize about banging."

    (forgive the stupid spelling, it's the only way past the censors)

    December 26, 2011 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2busy4fun

      Its called a shenis

      December 26, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
  57. ME

    Y Chromosome = Male, no Y Chromosome = Female. Anything else is dishonesty.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • randomevent

      Not difficult at all. It's a simple test.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Turtleguy

      What about the XXY and XYY mutations? What about hermaphrodism? Denying reality will not make it go away.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • randomevent

        How about two headed snakes?

        December 26, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • julian

      some people have XXY

      December 26, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • T3chsupport

      And some people have KY, and are all out of f**ks to give about some stranger's opinion.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • ME

      Original Reply was lost.... All of your examples include a "Y" Chromosome, which is a necessary and sufficient condition to define a human as male. In fact, your chormosomal examples involve potentially much more severe symptoms than gender confusion.

      Again, I'm more concerned with intellectual and psychological honesty. Someone wants to wear clothing of the other gender, that's one thing. Expecting others to not detect or recognize their genetic level gender is dishonest.

      Of course, when science can alter you on a genetic level, this will be moot. But not before then.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • JBHedgehog

      Man have no brain, female have no brain. Ugh. Must drag knuckles on floor and breathe through mouth.

      December 26, 2011 at 9:41 pm | Report abuse |
  58. randomevent

    I think we are so "open-minded" sometimes it looks like our brain had dropped out. This sure is one of the cases. Or insisting that being gay is normal. The test is actually quite simple. If the majority of men (or women) don't act this way or that way, it's not normal, by definition. No Phd needed.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Turtleguy

      That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. By that line of reasoning, it's abnormal to be left-handed or red-haired. It's abnormal to be black or Jewish. It's abnormal to be male. You are an idiot.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • KC

        That would make most of my family abnormal. Some of them doubly or triply so.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      One must conform to what the majority dictates. It's what all the Freedom-luvin', Don't-tread-on-me tea partiers demand.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      No need to worry about you having an "open mind".

      Yours is about as closed as it can be.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      I have an abnormally high IQ. Are you ready to send me to the camps because I am different?

      December 26, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        Maybe a camp for those who feel it necessary to say "I have an abnormally high IQ."

        December 26, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • chucks wagon

        Well, Relictus. At least you are honest enough to say you're abnormal! So tell me at what height is your IQ? or better yet what substance was used to get you IQ high? A gifted mind can be a great thing.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • randomevent

      Sure, argue with evolution. Good luck! 🙂 Who's the cretin now?

      December 26, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
  59. sue

    i take my hat off to her. i can't imagine the life he/she lived. i'm glad she is happy in her skin now. i believe if you haven't lived it, you really have no idea.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • randomevent

      Not "her" – "him"!

      December 26, 2011 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • 2Smart4Tea

        No, she's a her, and you're a backward bigot. 🙂

        December 26, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
  60. T3chsupport

    Are my comments being censored before I even post them?

    December 26, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
  61. Shelley Farrell

    People sure be can terribly cruel. That's a fact.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Anonymous

    It still boggles my mind how ignorant and closed minded our society is. Why should a transgendered individual or gay/lesbian have to fight for the rights that is freely given to everyone else out there, especially for those jackholes who don't deserve such rights? Sure, people are quick to judge this woman because of who she is, but not the person who murders there kid. Backwards society.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • fda

      It is an illness dude. A transgender who cannot afford these operations is depressed and angry every day of their lives. Just like an alcoholic is drunk everyday. The cure is therapy and friends.
      Most transgenders feel a high after surgery but if you follow their lives for 5 years, you will find the statistics show that that person returns to the same sadness and delusions they had before the surgery...
      Sure transgender may be what they want, but its not what they NEED.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        What stats are you referring to?

        December 26, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • HIPunch

        I love your bull statistics that have no basis in fact. Tell me some more.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • fda

        What am I your personal secretary? Why are you even commenting if you are not an expert in the subject?

        December 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Turtleguy

        Making up "statistics" does not make them true. Cite your sources.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • HIPunch

        fda, the only reason someone wouldn't cite their sources is because they know they are quoting falsehoods. Much like yourself.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • randomevent

      Why? Because they were born mentally defective.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • Turtleguy

        Great idea!! Let's pretend that everyone who doesn't think like you is mentally defective and lock them all up!! - oh wait, I think someone tried that in Germany a while back....

        December 26, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • julian

        just like you

        December 26, 2011 at 8:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • wowww

      The better question is, why should any business owner have to put up with persons/actions that misrepresent what they're about and tarnish their image? I would fire a slob who comes in poorly dressed, unshaven, and dirty.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Turtleguy

        So what you're suggesting is that the state of Georgia only hires male workers, right? How is one female person going to give a business a bad image, but another one won't? If I come in the door as a customer, I have no idea what that person behind the counter was doing last week, whether it was cross-dressing or climbing Mount Everest. It's irrelevant.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • HIPunch

        Well then, I guess it's good this transgender individual works for the government.. you know, the government that is supposed to uphold freedom and equality FOR ALL.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Relictus

        So, being Transgender is the same as being slovenly. Just like Blacks or Irishmen were once considered dirty. Bigotry never changes, does it?

        December 26, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
  63. David

    Wow, hard to believe the anti-transgender comments I'm reading from so-called "real men". I'll bet none of you "manly guys" have one tenth of the guts this person has.

    If you feel sickened, disgusted, or threatened by transgender people that is YOUR problem. Transgender people are not
    an actual physical threat to you. hat, do you think that they might "infect you" with a desire to wear women's clothing?

    If I hire someone it's because I value their ability to do the job I need them to do. And furthermore, if I hire a transgender person and my other employees quit because of her, then I'll count myself lucky to have gotten rid of those losers, and
    I'll hire other people who aren"t bothered by it.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • HIPunch

      They can't stop obsessing about the genitalia of their co-workers, which if you ask me, is HIGHLY abnormal.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Mike

    "Are you saying God made a mistake?" No, rather that nature, which is imperfect, screwed up. A baby with two heads was recently born. Are you saying that's not a screwup?

    December 26, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • sarakenobi

      mistake? no no no, they call them "lessons", not mistakes.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:37 pm | Report abuse |
  65. Raymond

    The most important question of all..............."And why should we give a flying rat's behind??????" Seems like there is way more important stuff to care about than this.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leeroy

      Sounds like you never served in the war zone and had to share a room, bathrooms and showers with someone of the same gender eye-balling you? This is a serious problem . . . for anyone who is in touch with his/her moral roots and values.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • HIPunch

        I'm sorry you got looked at by someone of the same gender. That must have been traumatizing.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Recceman90

        I wouldn't waste your time arguing with people incapable of Logic....they only know "Feelings" and everyone must get a trophy! Also, these same people would never serve in the Military....it demands more from a human being than just feelings!

        December 26, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      We should care because we care about civil rights. What is being done to Transgender people was done to Blacks, Asians, women and Irishmen. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Leeroy

        Again, race and skin color is not a choice; cutting off you anatomy on purpose as a choice. A very troubling choice.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • HIPunch

        Leeroy, the only thing disturbing here is your obsession with someone ELSE'S genitals. Seriously. Get over it.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Leeroy

        Your words, not mine. Sounds like you're speaking for yourself. Come to grips with those of us who will oppose your confusion to the end. And . . . get over it.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Mike

    The ultimate question here appears to be whether people who are physically and legally male should be allowed to wear women's clothing in the workplace, isn't it? I think the answer to that question should be governed by the company's private dress code, unless there is some sort of legal "doctor's note" that gives a person legal right to cross-dress.

    At a store I frequent there was a male employee who went female. I understood what was going on, but it still made me uncomfortable as hell. I grant that there are people who feel like they shouldn't be inhabiting the bodies they inhabit, but the world isn't ruled by feelings but facts. The fact of a person's genitalia should overrule the feelings generated by that person's brain, mainly because people can't see feelings, only facts. You may perceive the world one way, but the world is the way it actually is, not necessarily what you feel it is, and the other people in that world ought to have the security of going by facts that exist out in the real world, not by the feelings in a particular person's head. That's why I say there should be some sort of legal thing worked out beforehand, so the people who have to deal with someone making the change know that society has put their okay on this change. It's not just someone individually deciding to be nonconformist.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • HIPunch

      So, someone should choose not to make themselves happy because it makes you uncomfortable? Do you obsess over everyone's genitalia this much?

      December 26, 2011 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • oldguy

      You have X-ray vision, Mike, checkin' out people's genetalia under their clothes? "The fact of a person's genitalia should overrule the feelings generated by that person's brain, mainly because people can't see feelings..".

      December 27, 2011 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
  67. Tom

    Do you people who don't understand what it is to be gay or transgendered still believe the earth is flat?

    December 26, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • fda

      Why are questioning our intellect, you are the ones who can't figure out which hole to put it in.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • br549

        fda, you are clearly an idiot. Anything else that come's out of your piehole will be ignored by any clear thinking adult. That is as it should be.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • RickBTex

      It's the rest of the world that's crazy according to you, right?

      December 26, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
  68. Mensaboy

    Chromosomes don't lie. You are normally born with male or female equipment. Any deviation from the proper use of the equipment which in nature is propagation of the species is probably the result of a birth defect, as is being born with malformed equipment.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
  69. Richard Salmon

    He, she and it. Are you saying God made a mistake? Actually it is He, She, and Eunuch.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • sarakenobi

      I feel like this comment is one of the most ignorant of them all. God makes lots of mistakes .. he made you!

      December 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
  70. Steven

    First I'm happy that she finally feel comfortable in her own skin. Which is more than I can say for some of you judgemental bigots. I pray that none of your children ever have to go though this because what kind of support could they get from their family? With some of the comment above not much support. I have a friend that went through the surgery and isn't the prettiest woman nor tries to be. But she has the biggest heart, volunteers at the local food bank feeding 600 – 800 familes each week. They don't care who gives them food they just know they don't go hungry because of this transgender person. She also keeps coat and toys in her car for people who don't have as much or can't afford toys for their children. I'm proud to call her a friend and feel this world is a better place because of her. How many of you judemental people do more than take up space and air on this planet? Do you give back to your society? Probably not. So judge not lest ye be judged. Happy holidays all!

    December 26, 2011 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
  71. fda

    I'm tired of these victim stories. I am tired of these people being treated as normal when they have every sign of a mental illness. THIS IS NOT NORMAL PEOPLE. All you are doing is feeding the sickness.

    This people needed to see a psychiatrist NOT a plastic surgeon.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      fda, fortunately for the human race, people like you are a dying breed.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • fda

      2.2 billion Christians. The sum of every person on earth who lived before 1950 doesn't equal that.
      We are NOT a dying breed. Unfortunately ignorance is dying... by A I D S.and propaganda.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • SkippingDog

        Luke 9:46 An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest. 47 Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him. 48 Then he said to them, “Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For it is the one who is least among you all who is the greatest.”

        December 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        Jesus didn't put an asterisk after 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • fda

        People out there quoting the bible as if they actually read it....

        I never said I hated anyone. I am doing more to help these people than you ever have. You are the type who look at Bachmann's clinic and say, nope, can't happen – Lady Gaga is right. But if you step away from the propaganda machine and learn about the overall health of these people, you will find a whole range of data that the media refuses to research.

        Although I do not promote the discrimination of the gay community, I reject the notion these people are normal. Which is why these people should not be discriminated against, for already enacted legislation... it's called disability. The willingness to help the disabled is a form of love.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Turtleguy

        If ignorance is dying, why is that unfortunate? Oh, wait, I know – less ignorance means fewer christian bigots and haters.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • 2Smart4Tea

        Religion is fading away, and with it ignorance. You know you will lose and that makes you angry. Oh well.

        December 26, 2011 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • SkippingDog

      There are lots of things that "aren't normal," such as having cancer or being infertile or being shorter than normal height. That doesn't make any of them wrong and it certainly doesn't mean we should endorse legal discrimination against those who have such a physical trait or even a disease.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ric

      "THIS IS NOT NORMAL PEOPLE", try "These are not normal people." Neither are you 'normal', is English your native language?

      December 26, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • fda

      Skippy, but we are taking the right courses of action in terms of Cancer...

      December 26, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dirk

      Can't we all just get along? As long as someone is covered in all the right places who cares what they wear? People should be able to express themselves without bigotry, intolerance, and fear. It is too bad you choose to hate even if you don't see it that way.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
  72. sarakenobi

    wouldn't it be great if people stopped calling her s/he and just called her SHE?

    December 26, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
  73. Kennyg

    So what is the DNA of this person? Did it change too?

    December 26, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rob

      It's got a Z chromosome.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
  74. THERIGHTSTUFF

    THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THERE IS A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE IN AMERICA THAT THINK LIKE US....MAN AND WOMAN...GAYS WILL HAVE THEIR PLACE IN THE AFTERLIFE.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Leeroy

    Wow! Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing on what we can do wrong today. Get the marshmellows ready. Very sad state our country is in today. So many confused people. What happened to the values of days past?

    December 26, 2011 at 7:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      Leeroy, you are ignorant on so many levels I wouldn't even have time to list them. GET AN EDUCATION!

      December 26, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Leeroy

        David, I have a terminal graduate degree from a major Christian University. Make you list.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • 2Smart4Tea

        Leeroy, you say that you have a "terminal graduate degree from a major Christian University" and then add "Make you list" – this is nonsense, I'd love to know what major christian university turns out someone nearly illiterate like you appear to be. You shouldn't have posted that second comment – it makes your first ignorant remark seem so very much worse!

        December 26, 2011 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • dwerbil

      [sarcasm]Yep Leeeroy, we all can see you're not confused at all. [/sarcasm off]

      December 26, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • GoFigure

        David and Dwerbil: 2 far-left-wing-nuts!

        December 26, 2011 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • David

        GoFigure 1 knuckle dragger.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Leeroy

        You and David are so confused, you guys can't tell sarcasm from fact. The scriptures mention people like you who confuse good with bad and bad with good. No, I'm not confused at all. You are though.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • LookIn YourOwnCloset

        Leeroy, I know you are enjoying all the attention and that is, for the most part, what you are craving. However, leading authorities say that Those Who Speak the Loudest AGAINST something, Usually Have Some Skeletons In Their Own Closet They Need To Take A Look At! Does this issue hit real close to home for you, pal?

        December 27, 2011 at 10:50 am | Report abuse |
    • JOregon

      It is not a "value" it is what they are in their core. It is their makeup.
      I am male I think like most males. I like to work with wood, shoot hoops, and drool at women. I actually enjoy having to do hard physical work. I think pretty much like many males.
      So while it may be difficult for me to understand how another male doesn't have those same instincts, I can accept that we are all different. We are wired different, it doesn't affect who I am and it has nothing to do with "values".

      December 26, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • Leeroy

        Good luck teaching those "values" to your children. They will be just as confused as you are. WHere do you think "values" come from?

        December 26, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • JOregon

        My children turned out just fine. My grand-kids are doing pretty well too. My kids just don't have the hate you seem to have for people that aren't just like them.

        December 26, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dirk

      I think David is right. Smart or Not - Closed minds can't conceive new ideas. Maybe you should be more like God who likely doesn't care as long as there is love in your heart and not hate in your soul. That is if you believe in God in the first place. Now if you want a real argument let us talk about Evolution vs. Creationism.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      In days past, we thought that witches were real. Blacks were enslaved for a time. Disease was the work of the Devil. There were no antibiotics and people died early of preventable diseases. Oh yes, what a wonderful time.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Leeroy

        You and Dirk aren't going back far enough. Read about Sodom and Gomorrah. I think you're missing that bit of scriptures.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • 2Smart4Tea

        And then we can all read "Little Red Riding Hood" – fairy tails for all!!!!

        December 26, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Dobro

    How pretty she is! I really hope people can just get over their ignorant selves and accept her and everybody else the way they are. The people who are complaing about how different she supposedly is are likely the ones against having a one-legged or Arabic or black or whatever person working with them, except these issues are at a way more advanced legal development level.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leeroy

      Here we go again. Another person confusing a wrong choice with a person's color (no choice). The dude is a dude . . . not a "she". And he had a choice. I have a darker tone to me skin and that was not a choice. Please get your head clear on the differences. Us people of color do not appreciate your confusing a choice with tolerance of people of color. They are two totally different things.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • Franklin

        Gender is also not a choice, just like race. There are people with dark skin who wish they were lighter, and there are men who wish they were women. GET OVER IT!

        December 26, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Leeroy

        And you and I will disagree until we die and meet our maker. Get over that. 😉

        December 26, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nancy

        It's about Freedom. it's liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why should you care what she wears?

        December 26, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dirk

        I have color to it's just not as dark as you... By the way are you like purple or something?

        December 26, 2011 at 8:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      She sounds like a wonderful person. And she certainly has a lot more courage than most.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • HIPunch

      Leeroy, believe it or not, it is NOT a choice. At least not according to the American Psychiatric Association, and I trust their opinion much more than yours.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nanette

        Yeah the same people that said lebotomies cured mental illness

        December 26, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Leeroy

        And I trust the scriptures, prophesy, and the Spirit of the Holy Ghost much more than any organization created by men/women.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        ...except when Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself. It's easier to pick and choose what is correct in the bible, isn't it?

        December 26, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Leeroy

        Joe, we can still love the sinner. But we don't need to love the sin. In fact, we can oppose the sin as vigorously as law allows. And I intend to do so. Without anger and hatred for the people confused.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Go Read

        Leeroy, you need to Seriously go and read this. http://whosoever.org/v6i6/cindy.html

        December 27, 2011 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
  77. Sal

    He/she doesn't look too bad either. He/she is not an ugly person........

    December 26, 2011 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leeroy

      And that makes a difference . . . how? Sheesh.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
  78. Patty

    Hitler thought the master race should be tall, blonde and blue eyed. So you think you can decide who is normal and who isn't? Who should work where? Who should be mariied? Who should have kids? Maybe some people who have posted on this story should look at themselves and think would Hitler have let me live?

    December 26, 2011 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • mikefromaustin

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

      December 26, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
  79. Jay in Florida

    I couldn't care less that a transgendered person works next to me. Quite frankly, as long as they perform their job I don't care who does it. I know too many goddam lazy people who have sh1t for brains. A good, responsible and hard worker is not so easy to come by. Well, transgendering is confusing for me, but I have to say that this is good for him/her I do believe EVERY individual has the right to work. I take exception with lazy good for nothings who milk my tax dollars from behind the welfare lines. I applaud that he/she wants to work for a living.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sarah

      This is a great comment! See, people, you CAN accept those you don't understand.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Penny in Minnesota

      Bravo!!! I wish there were more that felt the same as you do.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • GoFigure

      Its just so irritating to hear a gay dude speaking with that lispy voice that make them come off as being so freaking wimpy. A guy in military uniform with that lsip – just doesn't seem like the Taliban or Al Quieda (sp) could ever fear such a wimp if it came to hand-to-hand combat. The pentagon generals who voted to change the DADT were just so wrong to go with the flow in that if they did they'd get written up and penalized for going against the left-wing-nut democrats in congress who give them their paychecks. And since the top brass ended up for the change, so did fear to go against it fiter down the ranks as well. Such a sad state of affairs this country is in.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        That's a fair point in judgement. Part of our responsibility as americans is to defend all people and freedom. We may not agree with their behaviors, but that's what sets us apart from Iran, China, and similar. It's a small price to pay, the country isn't going to fall apart.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mitch

      Finally, an intelligent response. At least this person is willing to work. I have much more respect for her than all you "normal" people who want to sit around on welfare/SSI and snort pills all day. Hey normal people, get a job!!!

      December 26, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Report abuse |
  80. Athens guy

    Wouldn't it be great if we limited our screening of job candidates on their actual professional qualifications?

    December 26, 2011 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fran

      What a sadly novel idea you have!

      December 26, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Ed Sr of Dallas Tx

    This lady has all the attributes of a normal female except she cannot have a child except by adoption........I have known a couple of transgenders and both were extremely nice people who simply felt uncomfortable as a male........both were and are excellent workers and I applaud them. It is good this lady was given back her employment.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
  82. Paul

    I'm happy that things went positively for her, though back pay would've been nice.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
  83. Will

    Good. Now if companies hire some schezophrenic who thinks he's Superman, they'll have to let him wear a cape and leotard to work, right?

    December 26, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Athens guy

      Go read a book, will you?

      December 26, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • mikefromaustin

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

        December 26, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fran

      What's a schezo?

      December 26, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Slimey

      My spouse is a medical doctor. She brought home some up close and personal very detailed pictures of a man changed to a woman. I'm telling you people I wanted to puke. I was horrified. Anyone who thinks that hormones shots and surgery can turn a male into a female is kidding him/herself. Come on, people, get real. These people are pathetic. Can you imagine being a guy and dating a woman who used to be a man and then getting ready to be intimate with THAT? Now that's abusive to real men.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sarah

        Your spouse should be fired and prosecuted. HIPAA violation anyone?!

        December 26, 2011 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jacki

        Wait till whoever took those pics sues your wife for violating medical privacy laws....

        December 26, 2011 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        Obviously this is a lie to serve his purpose. An MD would have no need to photograph genitalia, nor would a surgeon. Even if these pictures did exist, they wouldn't be as horrific as specified. Plastic surgery has advanced so much that even severe burn victims come out looking fully repaired. Obviously this guy is just insecure and frightened over what he doesn't understand. His spouse who is a 'medical doctor' is probably more like his 'mom' who 'pays his rent'.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Divedaily

        at least you did choose your name with care

        December 26, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sotzume

      What a foolish thing to say.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • mikefromaustin

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

      December 26, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
  84. GoFigure

    Why do my posts get screened out? Because my agreeing or differing with another's view opposed to the CNN screener? I find that a bit discriminatory in itself. Shove it!

    December 26, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrew

      It's also because CNN has an overly sensitive automatic filter which screens out posts based on rather innocuous words. For example, the word "const-tute" is screened out based on the 't i t' in the word, for some reason CNN still hasn't had anyone fix the whitespace checker for their filters, so you're more or less forced to examine each word for possible hidden 'profanities'.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
  85. Lurking Pervert

    So what bathroom does this person use ? How about a public shower ?

    December 26, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Athens guy

      None of your business

      December 26, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Keri

      With a name like "Lurking Pervert," no one will tell you. EVER.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Do your other co-workers make you watch them in the toilet? You need a new job....

      December 26, 2011 at 8:10 pm | Report abuse |
  86. ATLmatt

    An American patriot and hero in HER own right. Standing up against a Goliath and winning. It is what this country is all about. I live in Atlanta and would be thrilled if I had a chance to meet MS. Glenn.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Matt – you would be impressed with Vandy Beth. I also believe you would find her an enjoyable person to add to any event or social setting. She has a wicked sense of humor and a killer sense of timing for zingers.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
  87. randomevent

    The society cannot go on like this. Basically, we are passing laws saying that abnormal people are normal, and normal people are abnormal if they don't agree... What a farce! It would be funny except it's not.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Athens guy

      Normality is not a concept dictated by one alone....

      December 26, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jacki

      Why is your visual of normal the right one?

      December 26, 2011 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Zargoth

      Wow- just a little judgemental, aren't you? Bet you are one of those neighbor-loving Christians, too...

      December 26, 2011 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Slimey

      I worked with a man who was transitioning to become a woman. I found it revolting. I felt it was abusive to me to expect me to relate to someone as a man and a this in between person..... who was for several months neither male nor female and we all knew that. And I, a man, was expected to go from relating to a collegue as if he were one of the guys then as if he were woman? Bad damn deal to put the guys through. We had work to do and this trasitioning person put all of us through hell. Downright abusive to us and he-she was repulsive.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Franklin

        Hahahahahahahaha, go cry me a river, slimey! Hahahahahahah, boo hooo, slimey can't call someone who looks macho a she because he's too much of a pansy! Grow a pair!

        December 26, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Franklin

        Why can't you relate to your colleague as your colleague? Why do they have to be related to as either a woman or man? Do you relate to the women in your office by bringing them dishes to clean, and are bummed this "man" won't want to go to the strip clubs with you?

        December 26, 2011 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • Keri

        I'm sure it was much more difficult for the person transitioning than it was for you. Slimey, indeed.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bryan

        I work with all these fat people, and it totally grosses me out. I can barely think or do my job with them pretending to be normal. What? Am I supposed to treat them like I'm not toally grossed out by them? And don't get me started on the old people! They play golf and raquetball and pretend they're young. They're not fooling anyone. We can see all those wrinkles, and don't forget the old people smell. Why don't they all go somewhere that I don't have to look at them? Nasty.

        When phrased this way, doesn't the whole "I'm grossed out by trans people" thing seem stupid?

        January 10, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sotzume

      yes..and those same laws let someone as mad as you publicly comment...so be happy for them.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • randomevent

      I think we are so "open-minded" sometimes it looks like our brain had dropped out. This sure is one of the cases. Or insisting that being gay is normal. The test is actually quite simple. If the majority of men (or women) don't act this way or that way, it's not normal, by definition. No Phd needed.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        No PhD needed, but a basic statistics class might help you. If you don't consider anything outside of the final 5% of a distribution as normal, then rich and poor people are not normal, and redheads are not normal.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Les

      Why even have such a distorted viewpoint? It is pretty evident that this woman's family tried to make her into something she wasn't from the git-go. Thankfully she decided to stop living a lie. I wish her well.

      "Normal" is meaningless on every level. I have never met a person that comes close to the definition of as a "normal" person. I do know that is "abnormal" for a person to expect everyone else to live according to their distorted version of normal behavior.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Crocker

    Men's room one day, women's rest room the next. Kinda weird for the other employees. But who cares about them anyway. It's all about Glenn and HER wants and desires isn't it. Forget the rest of the work force.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jacki

      Not sure why people get in a tizzy about the restroom thing. Do you like to watch people in there or something?

      December 26, 2011 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Relictus

        Maybe Crocker is scared that the ladies' room is some magical love-fest 😛 ... or worse, he fantasizes about the MEN'S room becoming that, and he's projecting it onto ... her.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sotzume

      Do you watch other people going to the bathroom? Perhaps someone at your work place should let someone know about your obsession with the genitals of the rest of the people in the bathroom.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
  89. Oracle

    You'll find that the weirdest events happen in government offices. Ultimately, the government will put up with even the weirdest individual. On one hand it's tolerance, on the other hand' let's face it, if you had your own business, would you want a tranny at the front desk/counter? Really? Somehow, I doubt it. But the government takes it money under threat of law, so it's employees can be as bizarre, creepy and dysfunctional as it gets, and it just keeps on going. Isn't that right, my liberal friends?

    December 26, 2011 at 6:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sco2by4

      Yeah, just look at the lady in the picture; She's just so gross looking, hide the children's eyes!

      /sarcasm

      December 26, 2011 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Brian

        Yeah....lady. I couldn't tell the difference (sarcasm)

        December 26, 2011 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jacki

      I'd be more than willing to have a transgendered individual work for me. I hire people based on talent, not on their bitty parts. Not all of us care about cheating on our wives with our secretaries.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Keri

        Perfectly stated, Jacki.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Crocker

      I am just glad that I don't live in her/his head. What a life to have to live......

      December 26, 2011 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • eldono

      So, Oracle, this transgender stuff really creeps you out, doesn't it? If the person was born a male, he should stay a male. Right. Just like if you were born an insensitive bigot, you should always remain an insensitive bigot.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • lsgyrl

      How would you know she was trangendered? Looks better than many women I know.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oracle

      No, s/he doesn't creep me out, Eldono, but you do. While I doubt if you are en entrepreneur, as I am, I wouldn't want a tranny representing my company. If that makes me an insensitive bigot, then so be it. You can go back to your government job now and cry with those who don't take business risks and are obsessed with their genitalia.

      December 26, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        I'm actually a successful entrepreneur, and if I had a good employee, I could care less if they were transgendered. I have found so many problems in the world, and so few intellects to solve them.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
  90. J R Brown

    So...being transgendered actually IS a mental disorder then...?

    Welcome to the new workplace, resplendent with all manner of crazies; so the way that psychologist "treat" mental disorders is to tell their patients to make their crazy ideas their own reality?

    December 26, 2011 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • J R Brown

      Just to be clear...we can't discriminate against people in employment because they suffer from a mental disorder, not because they are gay.

      December 26, 2011 at 6:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • AJ

        I got fired from a machine shop once because I'm an Atheist. I can't prove it. Even if I could nobody cares.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      JR, you should get together with Tante and move to Iran. It's much more in keeping with your belief system.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
  91. to "m"

    ya ...usuallly the ministry of natural resources has a cull

    December 26, 2011 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
  92. John C.

    Hope she got paid for the money she lost during that unemployment period.

    December 26, 2011 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
  93. Jesus

    There are many women, NOT transgenger, who look like men. Some look like blobs without any obvious gender appearnce. Likewise there are men who have a shaplier female figure than many women..

    It should be all about the person, not their plumbing or their appearance.

    December 26, 2011 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tante Waileka

      I don't care what a man wants to call himself, but regardless of any depraved surgery, a man is a man and NEVER a woman. I fought too long and hard for women's rights, but that never did and will never include the right of a MAN to call himself a WOMAN. If I find a MAN in the women's bathroom, I'll kick him where his gonads used to be. No one can be 'turned into a woman' by lopping off their dick. They are just CASTRATED.

      December 26, 2011 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Wow

        Wow, you truly are a dumb, ignorant w*H*o*r*e!

        December 26, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Fran

        Real women fighting for equality are loving people who think ALL should be equal. You're sick and depraved. I'm going to assume you're a troll because I refuse to believe there are people as disgusting as you in this world.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jacki

        If you got run over by a car tomorrow, I would cheer!

        December 26, 2011 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lurking Pervert

        @Jackie, I have a strong feeling that it would put a rather sizeable dent in the car

        December 26, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • eldono

        Great tirade, Tante. Men can be a bunch of overly testosteroned idiots, can't they? But, what about the "man" who has far less testosterone, much more estrogen, and inside is really a woman?

        December 26, 2011 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jerry

        You know not what you speak of... Better to remain silent and be thought an idiot, than open mouth and remove all doubt.. 😉

        December 26, 2011 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • David

        Tante, you're some piece of work. I bet your knuckles drag on the floor LOL.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • PallasAthene

        You have not done any research have you, Tante. A transgendered man who is really a woman...IS a woman. Genetically transgendered have an extra chromosome. Instead of xx or xy, they are xxy or xyy. Oh uh and where do hermaphrodites land on your scale? They are both, you know, and can identify either way, Are you out there to look up skirts or down pants to check and see? Look who's the pervert now!

        December 26, 2011 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • RIC

        does your fear and hatre included a woman trying to become a man?

        December 26, 2011 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • SosYourMom

        If you kick ANYONE where their parts are or used to be, you will be subsequently arrested and prosecuted for assault and battery. The rest of us will be more than happy to see you do jail time, as a violent criminal like you will be off the streets.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • lsgyrl

        Who cares what you think and fought for. This is not your world.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • happydog1960

        Don't feed the troll. This is just how she gets her jollies, since otherwise nobody else will pay any attention to her.

        December 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • allah

      kill him

      December 26, 2011 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sarah

      Tante – what did you ever do for women's rights? Were you a suffragette? Anyways, if you are fighting for equality, it should be equality for ALL. Why do you get to decide who's equal and who's not? You're just as bad as the people you claim to be fighting against. As a woman, I ask you to please be quiet, we don't need hate-filled individuals helping us.

      December 26, 2011 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • lsgyrl

        Exactly.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
  94. Darth Cheney

    “perhaps immoral, perhaps unnatural, and perhaps liberal or, if you will, ultraliberal.” Imagine if people were fired in large part because they appeared to be perhaps conservative or, if you will, ultraconservative.

    December 26, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • allah

      kill him.....

      December 26, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jerry

        Shut up, Idiot...

        December 26, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Sarah

    Good for her! Everyone deserves the right to work in an environment free from discrimination.

    December 26, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • RC Roeder

      i agree

      December 26, 2011 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tante Waileka

      Discrimination??? Perverted individuals are mentally ill and deserve consideration from that perspective. But a man who wants to wear women's clothing and call himself by a woman's name doesn't deserve any more consideration than to be recognized as mentally ill and treated gently, but I won't work with a pervert like that and NO ONE like that will EVER work for MY companies.

      December 26, 2011 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sco2by4

        Lol capslock; Cruise control for logical debate.

        December 26, 2011 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Rick

        Can't wait for your sad butt to be hauled into court, Tante.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • Rod K

        Your companies? Why don't you tell us all what companies those are so we will all know that they are discriminatory and can chose to do or not do business with them?

        Oh, that's right, you're a woman and don't have the anatomy required.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • RIC

        You're just blowing smoke...you are not a business person , because you would already know that your type of discrimination is illegal.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jerry

        You need to trot on down to your local shrink and seek help...now!

        December 26, 2011 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • JP

        What's it like being an ignorant bigot? Everything you ever learned about who you've ever been was wrong. Even if your God did exist he would find you and your hate abhorrent.

        December 26, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sarah

      Tante, you're a disgusting, disgusting dog whos playing herself off as a human being. You don't even deserve to roll in my filth.

      December 26, 2011 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      But its ok to discriminate against bigots
      There is no such thing as no discrimination

      December 26, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Fran

        Discriminating against bigots would entail not letting them work because of their bigotted opinion. Everyone is allowed to work regardless of their opinion, so yes, actually, you can be free from discrimination.

        December 26, 2011 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
  96. inachu

    Where I used to work there was also a man who felt like a woman and 1 year into the process once he started growing breasts he started using the ladies room instead. All the women who were in there rushed out and were screaming at him and continued to the managers office. There was another manager on the phone in the room so they took it outside the office. The Boss countered the man with a question. Why did you go in the ladies room!??!!
    He grabbed his newly formed breasts and exclaimed. Well I got these don't I? The boss felt so insulted that right there and then he was fired.

    December 26, 2011 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jane

      This story has so many holes in it....fabricating things much, incachu? You're implying a man with boobs worked with you. If you remotely knew anything about transgendered individuals you would know that this doesn't even make sense...he would begin dressing as a woman far before he began hormonal therapy. Get a clue before you attempt to rile people up with your "stories."

      December 26, 2011 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • 2busy4fun

        they are called implants, the do not require hormone therapy,

        December 26, 2011 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Franklin

        2busy – why does that change the meaning of what Jane said?

        December 26, 2011 at 8:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Frank

      The "he" in your story should be referred to as she, as she is a woman. You and the people you work with should be ashamed of your judgmental ways. Hopefully nobody ever teases your kid – you'd probably stick up for the bully!

      December 26, 2011 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • GoFigure

        Got penis? If so, guess what?

        December 26, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Must Be

        GoFigure, if it walks like a man, talks like a man and has a penis, it must be a Chick!!

        December 26, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      inachu You're a liar.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • lsgyrl

      Failed attempt at a provacative short story.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeInMaine

      In Maine the law would support her right to use the women's restroom if she identified herself as a woman, no matter what her genitalia looks like.

      December 26, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Report abuse |
  97. ez1

    so which restroom does (s)he use?

    December 26, 2011 at 6:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sarah

      She's a female, so I'm guessing the female one.....duh

      December 26, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • RC Roeder

      and why is that something you need to know? I doubt she would use the mens

      December 26, 2011 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • JustThinkWhere YouGo

      Well certainly not the Outhouse, ez1, where You're used to going to!

      December 26, 2011 at 11:40 pm | Report abuse |
  98. marie

    Her facial features are very feminine. She doesn't even look like she transgendered.

    December 26, 2011 at 6:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jerry

      I agree Marie, I think she's very pretty actually...

      December 26, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
  99. carter

    I am so glad she won. I look forward to the day a lawsuit is not needed for the right outcome.

    December 26, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • M

      Ever notice when you get a whole bunch of unchecked populations of deer or rabbits or something, some of them start coming out acting/looking really strange?

      December 26, 2011 at 6:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • EatYouAlive

        Nope.

        December 26, 2011 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Its You

        Yeah, I just noticed that, just as I read YOUR post!!

        December 26, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jacki

      Sadly, some people just don't have a conscience, so there will always be a need for these types of lawsuits.

      December 26, 2011 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
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