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January 17th, 2012
04:51 PM ET

Opinion: What the deaths of two soldiers say about anti-Asian bullying

Editor's Note: Jeff Yang writes the column Tao Jones  for the Wall Street Journal Online,  is a regular contributor to WNYC radio, blogging for "The Brian Lehrer Show", and appears weekly on "The Takeaway".  He formerly wrote the  "Asian Pop" column for the San Francisco Chronicle and  was founder and publisher of A magazine.  He tweets @originalspin.

By Jeff Yang, Special to CNN

Two young soldiers, Private Danny Chen of Manhattan, New York and Lance Corporal Harry Lew of Santa Clara, California, volunteered for military service over the objections of their families. Both ended up being posted to remote parts of Afghanistan, deep in hostile territory and largely cut off from the world. Both subsequently experienced extended campaigns of harassment at the hands of their comrades-at-arms. And last year, both, it appears, were driven to take their own lives as a result.

Their shocking deaths have raised new questions about hazing in the armed forces — but the truth is, "hazing" isn't even the right word for what they experienced.

After all, hazing is generally part of a process of initiation, in which a newcomer voluntarily undergoes ritual abuse in order to win acceptance within a group.

There was nothing voluntary about the punishment Chen and Lew experienced, and it was designed to alienate them from their peers, not create a path to solidarity. In Chen's case at least, the program of isolation included being repeated called racial slurs like "gook," “chink” and “dragon lady" by his tormentors (all of whom were white).

The more appropriate term for what Chen and Lew faced is targeted bullying — and it's something that's hardly limited to the military.

In fact, recent research suggests that young Asian Americans are facing a bullying epidemic. Last year, the U.S. Departments of Justice and Education released a joint study showing that over half of Asian American teens said they'd been the subject of targeted abuse at school, versus around a third of blacks, Hispanics and whites.

See CNN's special coverage on bullying 

There's also plenty of anecdotal evidence to support this phenomenon. In Philadelphia, a series of concerted assaults against Asian American students at South Philadelphia High School in 2009 counted 26 victims in a single day, 13 of whom were sent to the emergency room with serious injuries.

The attacks were part of an ongoing stream of persecution and violence that included racial taunts, anti-immigrant slurs and mockery of accents. The incidents continued, despite pleas for the school administration to intervene, until one student finally organized a strike, with 80 Asian students refusing to attend classes until their physical safety could be guaranteed.

Why are Asian Americans disproportionately targeted for abuse?

A harmonic convergence of factors. There's the perception — and in some cases, the reality — of the "nerd" stereotype. The trinity of social awkwardness, physical frailty and academic overachievement has always served as a magnet for bullies.

There's the rising tide of animosity toward immigrants, particularly those from predominantly countries that are seen as emerging rivals of the United States, like China and India.

There's the plain old fact that those who are "different" in obvious ways — appearance, name, faith, accent — are often the focus of unwanted attention in environments where fitting in is prized, like high school. Or the military.

And especially among immigrants and the children of immigrants, there's the reality that cultural and familial expectations push them to submit to bullying rather than being "disruptive" or succumbing to "distraction."

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As a result, incidents of anti-Asian bullying frequently go unreported, and victims can find themselves increasingly distanced from peers, parents and authorities, in a growing sense of desperation.

Over the past ten years, depression rates among Asian Americans have skyrocketed — with young Asian American women, in particular, more likely to be diagnosed with depressive symptoms than those of any other racial or ethnic group.

So have suicide rates: It's now the fifth most common cause of death among Asian Americans; by comparison, among white Americans suicide ranks ninth.

Clusters of Asian American suicides have emerged in situations that are both heavily stressful and highly isolated. Like Cornell University, in remote Ithaca, New York, where nearly two-thirds of suicide victims — 13 of 21 — over the past decade have been Asian, even though Asians currently make up about one-fifth of Cornell's student body.

Or like the remote frontlines of Afghanistan, where soldiers, far from home, family and the comforts of civilization, have only one another to turn to for social and emotional support.

When that sole source of aid and encouragement is removed — when it's replaced instead with coordinated contempt and repeated abuse — it becomes easier to understand the mindset of Lance Corporal Harry Lew when he wrote his final message in pen on the skin of his forearm, before shooting himself with his own rifle: "May hate me now, but in the long run this was the right choice." And then: "I'm sorry, my mom deserves the truth."

We all do.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Jeff Yang.

soundoff (638 Responses)
  1. Aliat

    So when is CNN going to have "Asian in America?"

    January 17, 2012 at 11:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Philo

      Not likely to happen anytime soon. Atleast, not if they're going to be honest. To do so, they'd have to admit the African-American bigotry towards Asian-Americans, and that goes against political correctness. Don't expect the program anytime soon.

      January 17, 2012 at 11:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • cleo

        Dude...

        Again with the whole Black thing man...

        I'm a farm boy from Wisconsin... and even I wish you would give it a rest!

        January 17, 2012 at 11:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • chinaman10000

      they would have to kill and rape a lot of white people before CNN notices them

      January 18, 2012 at 2:43 am | Report abuse |
  2. Loc

    I am an Asian American and I never give a crap about how others think of me. Those think negative about me are just jellous. Be all that I can be and be a contributor to society and that's my phillosophy.

    January 17, 2012 at 11:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • cleo

      Uh..

      I think you meant ... 'Jealous'.

      I'm just sayin'

      January 17, 2012 at 11:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • TomHank

      - and meanwhile your people are being picked on and you are too busy thinking about yourself--

      January 17, 2012 at 11:52 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Kevin Wu

    You know it's all true. We get picked on all the time and it gets old. Sure, we try to ignore it and be the bigger person but we take it from blacks, whites and the hispanics. Our parents have taught us to look at the bigger picture and that fighting isn't the way to win in the long run. We study and do better then whites, blacks and hispanics but are discriminated against because we work hard when the lazy blacks and illegals can get into an ivy league school without earning it. At the end of the day, we're discriminated against because our success in the business and scientific world. People just can't help it if they are stupid and we need to accept them for being so stupid. In addition, we need to strengthen our bodies as well as our minds.

    January 17, 2012 at 11:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • multi-racial rainbow

      Sorry to hear of your struggles. Not everyone hispanic, black, white is like this. Just those who are raised poorly and have low self-esteem. The best revenge is knowing you will live a nice successfully life while they are in and out of jail and always looking over their shoulder and are consider a blight on society.

      Be proud of who you are.

      January 17, 2012 at 11:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • TomHank

      The Blacks have organized themselves to the point that most of the time no one dares to say anything or look at them crosswise. It takes the kind of effort that, sorry to say, the Asian-Americans are not willing to act on. My observation is that Asian-Americans are totally fragmented and too busy doing their independent things, leaving themselves exposed to all sorts of attacks. It is just nature, predators do not pick on the strong, they pick out the weak ones and eat them up. No offense to the families of those two dead soldiers, those two boys were obviously too weak to deal with the situations. I would never think of solving the problem by just shoot myself.

      January 18, 2012 at 12:09 am | Report abuse |
      • multi-racial rainbow

        They were not too weak. They were likely in shock from being surrounded by so-called human beings who acted like animals. Frankly, of the three words they were called, I was only familar with one of them. This is degrading emotionally. They were not just called names, they were also physically assualted. I do not see how they could focus when they are in a war zone in a foreign country and the people they are suppose to depend upon to save their life are treating them poorly.

        Sadly, it seems here in America at times, the addage is "last off the boat is the next victim of oppression". When the Irish immigrated, they were oppressed, people had nasty names for Italians and they were oppressed

        January 18, 2012 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
      • Robert Paulson

        It's not as simple as "they were weak". That's true everyone is afraid to say anything bad about black people. But part of the reason it's worked out that way is that they had help – there were white people freedom riding with them during the civil rights movement – and across pretty much every sort of media you can see black people being cast in positive, even heroic roles. As hard as it may be to be black in America, they get a lot of quiet support because a lot of people agree that they were treated unfairly and a lot of people want to line up behind fighting for them if they speak up. But there it is the opposite for Asians in America. Basically if anyone makes noise about racism against Asians it's quickly dismissed as being "not that bad". A big portion of the larger society supports black people but probably most or all of society dismisses and shuts down Asian Americans who speak up. And you have no idea what you would do in that situation if you had a different experience in life. You say you will do this or that but maybe that's based on having the support or a larger group standing behind you. It's a lot easier to be "brave" if you think people will stand behind you when you speak up. But if you know that you will have no support whatsoever and that's been drilled into your brain your whole life, let's see what you do then.

        January 19, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
  4. grapejuice

    I think we are missing the point. just be nice to everybody no matter what their race is.

    January 17, 2012 at 11:35 pm | Report abuse |
  5. multi-racial rainbow

    CNN thanks for posting this article. It is nice to see articles that highlight the struggles of all the various races and ethnicities that make up America. It would also be great if we had articles highlighting how white people feel for being stereotyped as well.

    Condolences to the families of Chen and Lew. So very sorry for the ugly actions by a select few.

    January 17, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
  6. EDumphuque

    I'll bet the leaders had a southern heritage.

    January 17, 2012 at 11:28 pm | Report abuse |
  7. woot!

    If you get bullied you fight back, that's the only way to treat bullies. As Eleanor Roosevelt once said " no one can make you feel inferior without your consent"

    January 17, 2012 at 11:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Philo

      True, they may not be able to make you feel inferior. However, they can beat you, assault you, rape you, kill you, and ruin your life. And that happens all the time. African-Americans need to quit treating Asian-Americans as subhumans. Quit hurting them. Quit stealing from them. Quit killing them.

      It's not acceptable to blame the victim.

      January 17, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • woot!

        no one's blaming the victim here

        January 17, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • multi-racial rainbow

        @Philo, I had a group of men try to destroy my life all because they felt I was inferior and didn't deserve to have the position I had earned. I didn't make it about their race, I made it about their character. I am glad I don't think like you, otherwise I would have to hate/blame all the good white men I know, including my grandfather.

        The people you are refering to are common street thugs who no one including those of their race who are decent want anything to do with and would not defend.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        I bring up African-Americans as as people because they exist, they have a culture, and they have a set of norms. Within those norms, you find a great deal of bigtory, racism, and hatred towards Asian-Americans. I'm simply asking for the crimes to stop, the hatred to stop, and the bigotry to stop.

        Not racist to ask for civility and decency.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:51 pm | Report abuse |
  8. k9d9r

    I blame Clint Eastwood... GET OFF MY LAWN! Seriously... bullying happens everywhere and to nearly everybody. Even in college, even in politics, even in religion and especially on CNN comment posts.

    January 17, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Philo

      This has been going on for much longer than film has been around.

      Wake up and look around.

      January 17, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Report abuse |
  9. soapnut

    While I am against all cases of racism and targeting of people because they look different, I would also like to highlight the same stereotyping/racism that goes on in Asian countries against dark skinned people (indian, philippino, black etc). I have lived in Singapore and u are treated sub human and the disdain is shown by looks, actions. For example if an indian guy is in elevator, the singaporean chinese do not even get into the elevator in some cases, same in swimming pool etc. Its unfortunate while asians cry racism, they excel in same behaviour when they are in majority (singapore, HK) in particular. I do hope the singaporeans, HK ers realise how it feels to be minority.. PEACE..

    January 17, 2012 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • LeAnn

      Thats very true, asian discriminate against dark skinned people but then compkain when somneone discriminates against them. they want it both ways

      January 17, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        Since when are Asian-Americans responsible for what Asians do in Singapore and Hong Kong? Sorry, they're no more responsible for those communities than White people are responsible for what goes on in Britain and France, or Blacks are responsible for what goes on in Liberia, Sudan, or Ethiopia.

        Get real.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • dan

      do they get beat up? no.

      having your life threatened because of racism is not the same as the choice to not share personal space.

      January 17, 2012 at 11:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        You're 100% right. The bullying and violence has to stop. The truth is that it doesn't even end at our borders. I can show you videos of African-American bullying and violence in South Korea and other Asian countries.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • soapnut

        Actually I was about to get beaten up. No Kidding... I went alone to an island in indonesia where lot of singaporean chinese visit and I was about to get beaten up just for being indian. Glad the guy just stopped abusing me and banging my seat from behind with his legs..I was just sitting in the bus. Go figure...

        January 17, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • soapnut

        Unfortunately in this world the majority or people in power have a tendency to bully or show their power over the meek. I see this everyday in india in terms of classism, castism. Colorism in Asia and ethnic superiority displayed by han chinese etc etc. We need more empathy in the world and education. PEACE

        January 18, 2012 at 12:09 am | Report abuse |
    • cleo

      I suspect this Philo guy is a racist.

      This article detailed 3 incidents of systemic, to my mind, White on Asian bullying and one incident of systemic, again only to my mind, Black on Asian bullying. But he seems to be stuck on the black incident. In fact, I have not read him once decry the behavior that caused these suicides.

      I think you are part of the problem.

      PS – To everyone, I said that these incidents were systemic, to MY mind. They may not have been systemic... yes ... they may be isolated to someone else. To me, bullying in the military is systemic. I think what happened with those kids in Chicago is most likely systemic. I think what happened in Philadelphia was probably systemic. It's just my opinion.

      But still... yeah ... Philo's racism ... I think that's pretty isolated.

      January 17, 2012 at 11:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        I'm hardly a racist. The suicides are terrible, and any bullying towards Asian-Americans should be addressed swiftly. I'm pointing out what is normative, not isolated. Every act of bullying needs to be addressed, but to address it in the most effective manner, one must look at the norms. Where do you find the norms that so completely anti-Asian? You find them in the African-American community.

        How do you address it? You have to get African-Americans to admit the problem, and teach the value of Asian-Americans to American society.

        Not all African-Americans are racist or bigotted, just as most Whites aren't. Just as Whites have a history of bigotry towards Blacks, Blacks have a history of bigotry towards Asian-Americans. And it still continues.

        It needs to be addressed, and it's not racist to say so.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Indian

    It is sad about what happened. This may be off topic (may be a bit out of step) but is it only me or does any one else find an unusually high rate of suicides among Asians than any other group. Should not high IQ automatically equate to ability to see the larger picture? or are Asians emotionally more fragile than any other group.

    January 17, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • roshinobi

      "Asians have high IQ" is another racial stereotype, and it may be one that actually contributes to suicides, since people tend to expect them to do better in school.

      January 17, 2012 at 11:20 pm | Report abuse |
  11. GMan

    Asian girls are HOT!

    January 17, 2012 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • AZpatriot

      got that right!

      January 18, 2012 at 7:55 am | Report abuse |
  12. Aliat

    This Anti-Asian phenomena is nothing new, but recently its gaining more steam. It doesn't help that TV, Media and Hollywood keeps up the stereotypes, emasculation, and denying Asian-American actors any meaningful roles either. They say it won't sell well cause no one would want to see it, but at the same time, how can people get used to the characters if they weren't given a chance in the first place? "Glass-Ceiling Effect." The same goes with Hispanics and Blacks, but at least they have a voice and are vocal about it, and they have the demographics to back them up. We Asian-Americans don't have any role-models in Hollywood, Jackie Chan, Jet Li are not American citizens, so they don't count. What's more worrying now is that Hollywood is seemingly becoming more bigoted even though they say that they're Liberals and open-minded when in fact they keep spewing out the same old, tired stereotypes and personas, which eventually leads to making those that watch Hollywood movies generally accept the stereotypes as normal and self-reinforcing. Ask the Directors, Executives, Producers about it, their answer will be easy: Asian-Americans as Americans is Unacceptable. And we wonder why Hollywood is in decline, they can't accept originality anymore because they aren't able to, it's wired in their Psychology now, and sadly, for a good many generations to come. You wonder why Asians mostly keep to themselves? Simple, we're considered "Perpetual Outsiders" even though those that are born here are as American as they go.

    January 17, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
  13. dan

    Racism by some types of people are built into the system. The actors are in position of power, are highly educated, and know how to talk and act in a politically correct way to not attract any attention. Meanwhile when real decisions matter- like for promotions, or school admissions or evaluations, the racism shows its light in a subtle way. This racism is by the people who currently hold power and who want to hold onto power.

    Racism by other types of people are a lot more out in the open, tend to be violent, and attracts a lot of attention. This kind is far less damaging in the long run. This type of racism is by people who have no power and lash out at newcomers who are slowly but surely gaining power.

    January 17, 2012 at 10:48 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Dominique

    I'm a black man .. an i spend 12yrs in the air force.... i never once attacked or belittle anyone because of race. So stop trying to say all blacks... their are bad people in all races an background.

    January 17, 2012 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Philo

      No one has stated that all blacks are bullying Asians. We're stating that there is a normative issue in the culture within African-American society. There are plenty of decent hard-working and good African-Americans. But that culture does exist, the hatred towards Asian-Americans does exist, and the victim mentality that is at the basis of it does exist.

      I am sure you are a good and decent person, and we aren't suggesting that you had anything to do with any of this. But the culture needs to be addressed.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • cleo

        I guess to be completely fair...

        Black on Asian bullying is just one small part of what the author is talking about. Not to say that blacks are unimportant or anything, but I suspect the author, and the larger Asian community for that matter, find the White on Asian bullying far more worrying.

        And I agree with them. Whites seem to have the same 'victim mentality' towards Asians that I believe Blacks have towards Whites. I really believe we have an 'inferiority complex' of sorts towards Asians. Like you said ... not all Whites ... but yeah ... a whole lot of us.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        The statistics don't point to that being the case. In San Francisco alone, 85% of the crimes against Asian-Americans are prodded out by African-Americans. This is also reflected in the national statistics. The LA riots also reflect this. The same is the case in Philadelphia, and in Chicago. You'll find the statistics of Whtie attacks against Asians as being pretty miniscule.

        African-Americans don't only feel like they're victims of Whites, but also Asian-Americans.

        Hence the constant abuse.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • cleo

        OK...

        So I did look it up...

        And as I suspected...

        You are being dishonest.

        The vast majority of crimes against Asians in the Bay Area are committed by ...

        Wait for it...

        ASIANS!!!

        January 17, 2012 at 11:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        Cleo,

        That's the case in every community in America. I'm talking about that group that is right after Asians. That would be African-Americans, and it's the case all over the country.

        Admit it, address it, and respect the decency of the Asian-American people.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • cleo

        Guy...

        I can't can't believe you man!

        Look... now you sound like the Blacks, who protest that a cop shot a black guy... but say nothing about the 200 other black guys that shot black guys.

        What is your deal man?

        You said Blacks commit 85% of the crime against Asians. I point out that ... no ... actually Asians commit the vast majority of the crime against Asians... and you say "I don't care. I only want to talk about the crime that Blacks commit against Asians."

        Well ... this is shaping up to be just like arguing with the Blacks. If you are unwilling to look at the reality that is staring us all in the face ... then I am obviously not going to have much luck discussing it with you.

        You have a good night man. I'm from Wisconsin ... it's not our way get emotional, unless the Packers lose ... so I wish you well dude.

        January 18, 2012 at 12:06 am | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        @Cleo,

        City officials, including the Police Department, say these assaults are part of a larger crime picture where gangs of kids take advantage of a vulnerable group of small stature. But Mo participated in a 2008 survey by the Police Department in which about 300 strong-arm robberies were analyzed. "In 85 percent of the physical assault crimes, the victims were Asian and the perpetrators were African American," she said.

        http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-05-02/bay-area/20882827_1_asians-korean-african-american-black-men

        What was that?

        January 18, 2012 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
  15. Alex

    Why CNN is referencing the Bridgeport youtube teen who got jumped is beyond me. Yes he is Asian, but six of the seven assailants are asian as well. Bridgeport police have stated that the attack was retribution for a previous attack and not at all racially motivated. Get your facts straight CNN!

    January 17, 2012 at 10:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • MeSo

      I chink that type of behavior is wong. Just wong.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • crakkker barrel

        troll harder, bro. 😉

        January 17, 2012 at 11:36 pm | Report abuse |
  16. George

    A buncha White inbred cowards beat up a defenseless Asian kid....and it's the African-American's fault?

    January 17, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Philo

      The point is that it's not normative, and that the truth about crimes towards the Asian-American community contradicts what is politically correct to say in our culture. So, it needs to be pointed out that most of the crime against Asian-Americans is due to African-American bigotry, and their perception of being a victim at the hands of our Asian-American brothers and sisters.

      So, I'm stating the obvious.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Occidental Man

      If you are referring to the kid being beaten in the video going viral, 3 or 4 of the assailants were asian also. Their names were posted on various websites by schoolmates

      January 17, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alex

      Five of the seven masked assailants in that youtube video were asian as well.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        Thanks for pointing this out. This shows how poor journalism has become. This should have been stated in the article, but it was not. Do you know why? It's because leftists want to point to this being the fault of the White majority, because leftists hate White\Western culture.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Aliat

    During Middle School, I was bullied everyday by 2 tall Latinos during PE while everyone else literally did nothing, calling me racial Asian slurs cause I was Filipino..One day I just decided it was enough, and stood up to them by telling them "Why can't you pick on someone your own size?" Apparently it worked, they stopped bullying me afterwards. If that didn't work, I'm pretty sure I would have resorted to physical means...Point is, if you're being bullied, stand up for yourself and do something about it, whether you say something about it, report it, or if nothing else fails, smack them in the face. Don't let them run roughshod over you, because if YOU don't do anything about it, then they will, and it will never stop. Until you take your life. And even then they'll keep bashing you on your Facebook even after you're dead. Defend yourself in whatever means you can, if they think in their mind that their bullying is justifed, then you defending yourself is even more justified.

    January 17, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
  18. asian guy

    I shouldn't also blame White Americans entirely, Asians in general have minds of sheep, they always believe what they see, and hear. Asians, including Asian Americans are big time sell outs, they want to be cool and be the white man's doggy. Pretty f'n weak.

    January 17, 2012 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Philo

      Asians are highly intelligent, and are in no way sheep. I'm starting to think you're not truly Asian. The fact is that the majority of the crimes against the Asian-American community are committed by African-Americans who feel like they're victims of Asian success.

      There are norms in the African-American community that Asians are poised against them, taking their jobs, their businesses, and keeping them from developing their communities.

      It also contradicts the narrative that they are victims and require help from everyone else to succeed. The Asian-American experience contradicts this. They have come with very little understanding of our language, and have succeeded tremendously.

      You should not harm those who succeed, you should embrace them and learn what makes them great in what they do.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • multi-racial rainbow

        Really, that is not how my friends felt growing up at all. They were rejected on a repeated basis by white people. They were depressed because they felt like they ever never good enough. They changed adopted western names because they got tired of being mocked. I however took the time to learn enough Korean to be respectful of their parents. Do not blame an entire race for actions of ignorant individuals.

        Recently, I wanted to hire someone asian, everyone complained about the person's accent. I had no problem understanding her. This is not targeted toward white people in general but, the only people who complained were white people.

        Let me tell you where else I've been sitting. Because I am american, I get to hear from other american's what they think of Asians and other immigrants. The amount of nasty comments are unbelievable. The amount of stereotyping is horrible.

        For all you bigots out there listen up. Becareful to whom you trash another race to. OK. There are lots of us multi-racial people and we are tired of you. When you trash our ancestry, we tell all of our friends who are like us and others who are decent about you. If we are in positions of power, like me, and I can influcence if your contract is renewed, or your hired or promoted, you won't be.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        I don't contest that there are issues in America as a whole towards those who may seem foreign. That's not what I'm arguing. I'm stating that the majority the crimes against Asian-Americans are committed by African-Americans, and not Whites. The majority of the bullying is also by African-Americans. Are there whites that will laugh at what they consider a strange name, or a strange voice? Yes, but this is something you find in every culture around the world.

        The issue here is crime. It needs to stop.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • That Guy

        I'm sick of hearing Asians complain about how African Americans are targeting them out of jealousy or hatred. As a Black man I can tell you for a fact that the reason why there are so many crimes against Asians committed by Blacks is because of simple probability. If I decide to rob ten random businesses in a predominately Black neighborhood more than likely six out of those ten businesses are owned by Asians. Its like saying a person is intentionally targeting green jelly beans because they continuously pull the green ones out of a bag in which more than half the jelly beans are green (I like green jelly beans by the way). If you look at crimes against Asians other than robbery or burglary, such as assault or simple bullying I guarantee that African Americans are not the ones committing them. Besides there is plenty of Black and Yellow harmony out there which proves there is no real animosity towards Asians from Blacks just ask Tiger Woods or Ne-Yo.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        That guy,

        Well, let's take a look at this. First, Asian-Americans are attacked by Blacks at schools, in the streets, and elsewhere in society. It's not simply business owners, but it's true they end up receiving the brunt of it. Why are they attacking the businesses? It's not simply for money. During the LA riots, you could see there was definitely a political and racial element to it. Asians were seen as an oppressive force against the Black community.

        We have to recognize these issues before we can address them.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Occidental Man

      at least stop posting as 'Asian Guy'. Nobody with any powers of perception believes it any more.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Asian proud

      Are you for real. You must live in a non-asian community. Most of my asian friends are non feeble, yet vert intelligent. When I first arrived to the US, I was bully because I did not speak the language. I fought back right from the start. I did not choose to change my name to an American name because I am proud of my name. I choose not not bully others even when my classmates bully other immigrnats. I was nice to them. My only regret is that I did not defend those who were bully. If i had to do it again, I would defend those who were bully. It is worst now than back in the old days, because of the notoriety that the bullies craved and received. back inthe 80's,I saw this black man hit a small sized asian kid because he chose to ignore that another black woman had elbow him. I scream at him. I was ready to get beat up just to stated the obvious. I hope that the small sized asian kid would remember this event and that he would stand up the next time around. I am sure I would get punch in the face now. There is so much anger now. Bullying is so prevalent; it is so sad. I am Asian, and I hope you remember you are too. You should be proud, because you sure hell do not sound like it.

      January 17, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Philo

    San Francisco's hidden truth is out. That's what community organizer Carol Mo calls the realization that Asian residents are being targeted for robberies, burglaries and intimidation by young black men.

    City officials, including the Police Department, say these assaults are part of a larger crime picture where gangs of kids take advantage of a vulnerable group of small stature. But Mo participated in a 2008 survey by the Police Department in which about 300 strong-arm robberies were analyzed. "In 85 percent of the physical assault crimes, the victims were Asian and the perpetrators were African American," she said.

    http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-05-02/bay-area/20882827_1_asians-korean-african-american-black-men

    January 17, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      Great find, but this is local to the San Francisco area, this article is about discrimination against Asians in America.
      Can you read Philo?

      January 17, 2012 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        Don't worry, I'm also locating national statistics, I'll post it shortly.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Andrew

    I wish they had taken their abusers' lives instead.

    January 17, 2012 at 10:16 pm | Report abuse |
  21. asian guy

    Maybe I should stop writing, white people might actually think minorities are taking over this country.
    I also shouldn't express my opinion, this country of course belongs to white people.

    January 17, 2012 at 10:16 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Philo

    The fact is that the vast majority of racial bigotry towards Asians in America is due to African-Americans. That's not politically correct, it's not popular to say, but it's the truth. The LA riots were an example of this. If you look at the statistics, the vast majority of crime towards Asian-Americans is due to African-American hatred.

    African-Americans believe they're taking their jobs, their businesses, and they feel threatened by them. It's the same way the Irish-Americans felt about African-Americans in the 19th century.

    African-Americans have to deal with their victim complex, and quit blaming other people for their problems.

    And leftists have to quit trying to deny the statistics. Whites are not doing the majority of the bullying.

    January 17, 2012 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      It's not, white people are far more racist, they control the media and the white public play off of it.
      I also traveled recently and there were military personnel waiting in line, all the white servicemen were cursing about Asians and behaving in an arrogant manner while the Black servicemen didn't say anything and minded their own business. This is pretty much how most of America works unfortunately.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Philo

        Would you like me to post the statistics for you? This isn't conjecture, it's an opinion, it's fact. The statistics point to it. Not only that, normative culture reflects it.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • VellyWell

      You are hilariously defensive – LOL

      January 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Occidental Man

      again, Google "black on asian" violence and get your facts straight, "Asian" Guy

      January 17, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Hali

        Did you try white on Asian?

        January 17, 2012 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      I think it's true in Philadelphia. I don't know about any other place though, because I'm not well traveled and Philadelphia is the only place where I interacted a lot with African Americans. Not all were unfriendly, the most hostile ones were definitely African American. Philadelphia is something like 45% black. Years ago, I did hear about the analysis of the LA riots... that started getting me thinking that maybe blacks were targeting koreans... and I did wonder if I would end up getting targeted also, and I did, increasingly after 2000.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Golden Rule

    The "Band of Brothers" is a group of men who fight side by side. It was said by a reporter in the Pacific that the Marines did not fight for corps, country, or their loved ones back home. They fought for the Marine next to them. Many become closer than brothers. They eat, sleep, train, fight and die together. Private Danny Chen was not included in this type of brotherhood. They left him to die by himself.

    January 17, 2012 at 10:05 pm | Report abuse |
  24. G. Baez

    The military is filled with ignorant southern red-necks and blacks. Those two lower social groups are a plague on the military.

    January 17, 2012 at 10:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Super Dave

      Then maybe some of you yankee snotheads should get out of your mamma's basement and join up! Of course, when the bullets start flying, you look for those "red necks and black folks" to protect your whinney butt. Where, exactly, did YOU serve?

      January 17, 2012 at 11:09 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Occidental Man

    Everybody, google "black on asian violence" and get a reality check.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
  26. hazing

    The tradition of hazing was developed to let the new member of the 'gang' that the new member is obedient to the 'gang' and can be killed if the new member doesn't follow the 'pack'..the hazing is threat of possible punishment....it should be really banned in the military. imo. the dept is just another gov't department and is a 'career' when there is no war. hazing is not the same ...some hazing are more violent and disgusting and some just basic..it's the level of ectreme of hazing. whether it can be considered 'assault' if the person being hazed didn't consent to it. forced or co-erced hazing should be illegal imo...but the US army is stupid.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
  27. sitting bull

    millitary was always a haven for hooligans.any non-white who enlists,is risking his life for the same idea as the one that terrorised their ancestors.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
  28. victori

    As an asian american, its disgusting that this happened. I too served the military, but luckily, i never came across any racial discrimination. And if it were to happen to me, I would've done something about it. For others who are going through this, don't keep it to yourself, seek help!! There are a lot of people that care for you. These cowards that are bullying can suck it!!

    January 17, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
  29. loathstheright

    Low IQ Americans hate people smarter than they are.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
  30. DefyTheGods

    Racism does an excellent job of dehumanizing! We talk about "Asians", "Blacks", this, that, and the other as if each is a separate species. Bottom line is that HUMAN beings don't like being pushed around. Even a coward can only be so afraid until he/she lashes out. It's amazing how we've yet to learn this with so much combined knowledge of "God". An American soldier was treated as if he was less than human. This isn't about race! This is about DISGRACE! (no play on words intended).

    January 17, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Jake

    I have advised my friends in Singapore and Taiwan that the US is simply no longer a safe place for their college-bound kids.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
  32. korsol

    I'll agree with the person who said "racism against Asians are not seen as racism but more of childish comments." Imagine if someone went up to a black guy and made fun of his nose or lips. I mean all my life I had instances where people would say racial comments and get away with it. It's okay to be racist against Asians in America.

    I'm in the Army, and it's not racist for most part, but the bit of racial comments are just pushed under the rug and ignored. I highly doubt I could get away with calling someone the N word....

    January 17, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • multi-racial rainbow

      Yes people can still get away with degrading black people. I had it happen to me in a very prestigous company run by some of the most powerful people in the world. Their excuse was "Some times smart people say stupid things." They finally broke down and said they knew I had encounter extreme bigotry. I had my work sabatoged, I had my signature forged, and the list goes on. Companies don't care and would rather the person who is being harassed leave.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • asian guy

        That's really too bad, and I'm not surprised, I've come across other minorities who were pushed out of their jobs because they didn't submit to white office politics. The ones who were pushed out just had too much character and integrity to sell their souls to tyrants.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • Golden Rule

        @multi-racial rainbow Wow, that su*ks. Can you tell us the name of this company? I guess owning your own business is the only real way to go in terms of dealing with this kind of office politics bs. I wish you much success, so you may buy that company via hostile takeover, cut up and sell off pieces of that company Gordon Gekko style, and then fire those back-stabbers who scr*wed you over.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • multi-racial rainbow

        Thanks guys, that is very kind of you. I came out OK and actually now they are getting theirs. No I cannot tell you the company. It would not be in my best interest.

        My point for posting is to help people recognize that racism is seen at all levels. Some think it is about beating people up or calling names. It is not. Some times it is about sabatoge and spreading rumors and inuendo.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:52 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Jake

    If you come from a foreign culture where hard work and studying in school is the norm, then upon arrival in the US you become a scapegoat for our native ghetto population, which somehow still believes a basketball scholarship is the only ticket to a better life. Very sad.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      I would rather go to basketball camp than go to an all white school and get scolded for being different.
      See I've interacted with both white and Black people and from my experience Black people are much more open minded and well mannered than white people. White people will smile, but they don't want to get to know you since they've been taught minorities are below white people.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Occidental Man

        now I KNOW you are lying. The vast majority of violence on Asians in California schools is committed by blacks, as well as assaults in the cities. You just proved yourself a fraud.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Occidental Man

        Google " Black on asian violence" and get real

        January 17, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • asian guy

        so what if it is committed by Blacks, this article is about American discrimination, which includes people like you.
        You obviously hate this forum, as it reveals something about your people you don't like to hear.
        Feel free to leave.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Occidental Man

        You are pretty hypocritical. You have made as many 'racist' stereotypical statement in your posts as anyone, against whites. I fully admit chart I am a race realist, and believe it is healthy and natural to look out for the interests of my own ethnic kinfolk before others. That is Nature's law in action. Anti-Racist is a code word for Anti-White

        January 17, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • VellyWell

        Occidental seems super defensive over an article, and pretty hell bent on blaming blacks. Interesting, my dear Watson.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • multi-racial rainbow

      @Occidental...do not generalize. Most of my friends are Asian's of various ethnicities. You know who was the nicest to them in school? Me and my siblings. We are not the only 'black' people who get along with Asians. What I have found is people of most races will get to know you if you are open as Asian Guy mentioned. This is a built-in hospitality in Asian culture as well as blacks from the south.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:03 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Ajdc

    You know what? That's okay, because anyone who fosters hate and anger against others cannot truly be a happy person. It's a self-destructive lifestyle, and you reap what you sow. God Bless.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
  35. TheGarderner

    The Chinese would love to see us divisive __ especially see white folks harassing blacks, Asians, and other minority. I can imagine the whole world look at White culture as one of hatred _ racism. I wonder why so many people love to come here but still hate us???????

    January 17, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      Hey, we minorities point out the obvious as this is an American issue. Isn't America a nation of immigrants? The true natives were taken out , so if you don't like facts tell your people to change, but we all know they won't. White pride is more important than pride in the core values of America.
      All minorities in the U.S. face the same discrimination from white people, but we know white people will reign hell fire.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Occidental Man

      'Asian Guy' I am starting to have my doubts that you are actually asian. You don't come across as intelligent enough, and most asians I know are race-realists and have a healthy awareness of the important distinctions between their peoples and others. You on the other hand, sound like a sock puppet liberal.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • asian guy

        you can say all you want, I'm not intelligent, but I do know how white people work, that's enough to survive on in America.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • multi-racial rainbow

        Occidentalman, I have read a couple of your posts. You are all about deflecting and back hand insinuations. You are a bigot and anyone reading your posts will conclude the same. It is you who are not intelligent. Your attempts to pit races against each other on this forum will not work.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Occidental Man

        The races are all "pitted against each other" at a fundamental biological level. Thats not bigotry, thats awareness of nature and evolutionary psychology. Whites only get the majority of the blame for 'racism in the USA because they are the majority (barely now) and so make a convenient scapegoat for the failings of certain minorities, but you can go to Asian countries and see the same things against non-asians, or anywhere else in the world. Asians would never allow the kind of population displacement in their own countries that is happening in the USA.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • multi-racial rainbow

        @Occidentalman, I beg to differ that pitting races against each other is biological. Otherwise I would hate myself. I am at peace myself and am proud of the races it took to make me. The pitting of races against each other is a tool of weak men who know that power lies in fear and division.

        Make no doubt about it, I do not think one race is responsible but all races. Do you really think, decent black people want to be around black people who are criminals? Do you really think Asian people like Asian criminals?

        Believe what you want, I will continue to enjoy life as will my friends who are like me racially and my friends who are not but share similar values. Live and let live.

        BTW, I do not think you would like to live as a minority for even a year. It would open your eyes.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Golden Rule

      @TheGarderner Immigrants don't hate all Americans. Immigrants love open-minded, nice liberals. They don't like close-minded, mean, anti-immigrant conservatives.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • multi-racial rainbow

      @TheGardner....do you really need to be reminded of this. America is not your land. OK-check in with Native American's. I guess now maybe you can have a bit of empathy regarding how they feel. I guess what you are experiencing is the viscious cycle of the circle of life. You are an immigrant. If your ancestors were part of the pilgrammage then your american ancestry is that of a refugee. OK.

      A little history lesson for you. Chinese men were brought here in droves to help build america. When they wanted to send for their families they were told "Nope–to bad". You see, the ruling government of that time didn't want too many Chinese here. Go read some history books and please....acquaint yourself with the history of this country.

      Those Chinese men married amongst the other oppressed people. That is why there are lots of people like me. We may not readily look Chinese but we are...and we do not like people like you.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Chris

        Speak for yourself you racist jerk. People are all different. The "enlisted" military is a magnet for poor white trash. If you want to succeed in the military, it would be waaaay better go to college any way you can and join ROTC. I would expect most asians to go this route. Mixing in with the enlisted population in the US military is just about one step above going to prison. Some prisons are probably better actually.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • multi-racial rainbow

      @Gardner, not everyone looks at someone white and thinks they are racist. Any sensible person knows that racism exsit in all races. If you run into someone who is non-white and they are blaming you for racism that you have nothing to do with, that is an individual.

      I do agree that the white race should not be villanized. There is plenty of hate an oppression in all races.

      If there wasn't race to cause division, then people will find something else, well weak unhappy people.

      January 17, 2012 at 11:39 pm | Report abuse |
  36. ground rules

    bullies will be shot...a soldier who is builled should kill the bully,, the guy has an ak-47 right.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • TommyBlackflag

      No, actually. Our soldiers do not carry AK-47 rifles. What country are you from?

      January 17, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
  37. insults

    if i was holding a gun and another soldier bulied , i shoot the soldier....

    January 17, 2012 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
  38. insults

    bullying in the army,,you get shot in the head by another solider okay

    January 17, 2012 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
  39. insults

    the us military really needs to screen military applicants...some people are not fit for the army...the army main purpose is to kill kill kill. and enjoy killing

    January 17, 2012 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
  40. insults

    don't call the cops or the just kill the bully if he pizzes you off.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
  41. wimp

    just kill the bully man. okay.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
  42. wimp

    wussies should be in the army,,you join the army not to protect your country and real soldier likes to kill..natural born killers...killilng to get high

    January 17, 2012 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
  43. wimp

    hazing is same as as workplace harassment,,if somoeone bullies or pizz you off,,just buy a gun and kill the bully.obviously should be in the army,,,he should have shot and killed the other soldiers for pizzing him off,,,i shot him because i feel like it hahahah

    January 17, 2012 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      oh how strong you are, people who shoot people unexpectedly are cowards, Private Chen had more guts then you'll ever have, to take the beating and still not harm his fellow soldiers.
      If a grenade fell on the ground he would have jumped on it.
      If you want to get things done you have to use violence because that is when white people will listen, they say civilized people negotiate, but they'll talk all their smack and stab you in the back. Then bomb your country into submission, this is the American way. America is like the wolf in the sheep's clothing, they'll dress, talk, and behave nicely, but destroy you afterwards.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • ItMakeSense

        You got that right.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • gdoggie

        This dialogue on hazing is starting to get hazy. Asian women are the hottest in the world. This is a fact and overshadows this hazy junk.......

        January 17, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      Must be that Viking blood, barbaric,uncultured, and blood thirsty, but again
      white people have to rule to feel secure.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Occidental man

    FYI, the asian youth being beaten in that video was mainly being beaten by other asian youths. But inter-ethnic violence between blacks, hispanics, and asians is rampant in California schools, frequently requiring significant police intervention.

    In general, when people from different ethnic backgrounds and cultures are mixed into the same society and are competing with each other in a free economy, conflict is inevitable. Only top-heavy totalitarian governments that quash ethnocentrism can prevent this, not liberal democracies. Asians are frequently targeted because they are resented by blacks. They are resented for their success and for the fact that they negate the lie about racism keeping down minorities. The truth is minority groups that fail do so because of their own shortcomings. The fact that asians, even when foreign born, tend to be successful business owners in America without any government help just annoys certain other groups who look like, well, losers in comparison.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • moleswife

      I agree with Occidental man to a point.I am born and raised in this United States.I am white.I have had to take beatings in school from both blacks and whites until I learned how to fight back.I do not think having the Asians here in the USA is a threat to our society.Over the years I think we have melded very well between the cultures and learned to live together quite well.I am however very sorry for the stupid people in this country.We ALL have a much larger threat invading the USA and they are the people that don't want to or will not conform to our standards of sharing this country with everyone else.These are the people we should stand against.....they are the ones who want to take everything from us.We need to stand as the diversivied country that we are and stop fighting against each other or we will never win against those who wish to take us down !!!~

      January 17, 2012 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • moleswife

        It is me again....I do not live in an area where inner city youths battle for blocks as thier territory.I also find this extremely stupid.I don't understand the need for gangs when there are so many other things in this world to fight for.I know it is not always easy.I lived on the streets from the time I was 13 till I got married at 40.Life isn't perfect but it is what you make of it.You just have to figure out if you want to fight through it or live it.Trust me....I know that sometimes that is easier said than done .but it is a choice we have to make if we want better.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
  45. World Peace (not r. artest)

    What the author is trying to point out is the fact that those two individuals were racially harassed (not hazed) in the military where everybody is supposed to be a one-unit, one-team mentality and that these racial issues are still ongoing.

    Wherever you go, you will find those that are racially discriminating as well as those that are accepting. Unfortunately, not everyone will accept one another, and that is an issue that we all need to work on.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pr1ck Perry

      The unit commander needs a good court-martial. Maybe appoint him as personal bodyguard to P. Rick Perry, the stink will drive him over the edge.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
  46. AsianPeopleNeedtoStandupForThemselves

    When I was growing up and someone would push asian jokes too far, I would punch them in the face. It worked like a charm and there was no side effect of internalizing and bottling emotions for a lifetime... because if you do taht you can end up like these soldiers or even maybe that crazy VT shooter. My problem was settled right there and then when I stood up to the asian jokes. The kids would never crack an asian joke again. I only did this growing up because I noticed most teachers and principals didnt deem asian jokes as racist but just a another typical childish name calling incident and therefore most were not reprimanded. I just had to deal with what the public school system failed to notice or deal with. I only had one principal my senior year of highschool who had my back when I was sent to the office for beating up some stupid jabroni fo making asian jokes. When I say "had my back" he took racism into account of my actions and saw that it was the root of the problem instead of just another "name calling" incident that escalated into fight.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      As soon as Asians stand up for themselves white people will come up with the idea that Asians are trying to take over America through violence. Do you really want to see a minority nationalist group within the U.S. as Malcolm X brought Muslims to the doorstep of America itself?
      Just say Yes.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      I hate being right, as soon as this issue gains support all you see is backlash from all the white conservatives,
      but didn't you white people say , stand up for yourself?
      Do you understand what a hypocrite is?
      How fast they say something and try to retract it? I completely understand why Black people claim America is racist and why Eric Holder called America full of whiners and babies.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • ItMakeSense

        I totally agree.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Occidental man

      Remember the LA Riots and the Korean store owners standing on their roof tops with assault rifles? That is standing up for yourself.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • asian guy

        Of course you'll want the minorities to kill each other. Take the attention to root cause, white racism.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      I don't know. Is [limited] counter-violence truly the answer? I remember when I was in elementary school learning to curse by imitating my classmates. It's an interesting idea to use non-lethal violence as an outlet but who will guarantee that the injuries will be non-lethal. If that really is the answer, schools should teach mandatory self defense classes don't you think, not discourage violence. shrugs. It's sort of like the idea that everyone should carry arms, and that this will keep [violent] crime down. Interesting idea. I've rarely been violent situations except on the receiving end by my father, so I can't really say from experience. Should I try to get into physical fights more? Then there's the problem of getting sued by others... Should we completely get rid of all laws against violence and killing, and let everyone carry guns and other weapons and teach classes to learn how to use such weapons? Is that the answer? Not sure.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • asian guy

        Well, the American education system is a joke anyways, they don't teach you what you need to know to excel nor do they teach you how to work and play with others from a different race, they teach how to be American and speak English.
        I also remember how all the Black kids were separated into the more comprehensive curriculum whereas Indians and Asians were put into the same classes as white kids. Good way to indoctrinate the new minorities so they won't know what its like to be a real minority until you get to that age of being self-educated.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Face

    I am afraid all the military does now is teach young men to become Corn Pones with gang tattoos and talking like street trash. A pure shame.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Name

    I found the comment about Cornell University to be quite ignorant. It is extreme pressures on Asian students to succeed that pushes them over the edge. As well, the notion of suicide is much more accepted in their cultures. What happens when you do not succeed? You kill yourself. Simple. Many students in China itself are known to commit suicide if they do not succeed at their task. Many come from the massive rural provinces, the only hope for their family. If they do not make it, they have nothing left, and off a bridge they go. For an Asian reporter, you know less than I.

    January 17, 2012 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      You are an idiot

      January 17, 2012 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • TheGarderner

      You must have been born yesterday.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill Lee

      haha...I guess you know more about Asian because you have an Asian gf and she's been feeding you lies? So all Asians are the same hence the generalization? Can you make the same generalization for Hazaras? (If you don't know what I mean, obviously you're not well-read.)

      January 17, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
  49. multi-racial rainbow

    More disgusting behavior based on someones race or ethnicity. Stupid name calling and behavior all in the sake of proving one superior. People who teach their kids racism show how low and useless they are. Racist always run in packs because that is the only way they are seemingly strong.

    Chen and Lew have nothing to be ashamed of and did not need to prove anything to anyone here of elsewhere. I hope the army got rid of these racist.

    January 17, 2012 at 8:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pr1ck Perry

      If one reads the comments from such great Americans as Bannister or ProAsian here, one sees that nothing has changed since WW2 in the US military. When P. Rick Perry becomes President and Commander In Chief, we'll beat all dem inferior beings, don't y'all worry.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      Great post, I also wanted to add racism is passed down from one white generation to the next.
      The Civil Rights Movement was only 50 years ago and many of their kids are probably racist as well.
      Oh, and to say White people support the Civil Rights Movement is bs, only a few white people supported the movement, the rest sat back, watched their football, and profited from slave labor.
      And now white people are coming out of the woods to say go Civil Rights, what a load of bs! This is obviously a way to take the attention away just so Black people won't completely take over and rebel.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      Sneaky and clever those white people are. watch out, they might stab you in the back for not being pro-white.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • multi-racial rainbow

        Asian Guy, be very glad this article has been posted. While it makes me sad/angry to read the ugly posts from bigots, it does prove that there is a problem that still exists in America regarding race. I meet people who are skeptical. Then I tell them to go read new forums.

        I'm black, white, native american and asian...I won't call any one race bad or sneaky. People make choices about who they want to be. My racial make-up is the resut of the ugly history of racial oppression this country has had. However, it is proof that oppression doesn't work and people survive.

        But I do get your anger...trust me...I get it.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • asian guy

        Actually I'm not jumping out of my chair because they finally posted something about bullying of Asians, but if the opportunity comes, I'll express my experiences and opinions. Although Asians aren't the most humane people in the world especially after U.S. history lessons and how news agencies like CNN boasts about America's benevolence, America has more to prove because they claim this country is the most civilized, and until they either throw that statement out the window, or actually change for the better, I'll press on as Black people did. This is the story of America, nobody gets respect , you have to earn it and in my book Americans nor Asians have earned it. Thanks for sharing your background because I'm sure you are going through an experience none of us can comprehend.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse |
  50. proasian

    Asians are small midgets and very weak physically. I dont blame the bullies. Also they have small winkies which makes them less of a man and more of a kid

    January 17, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Face

      Hey, the SC debate is over... you can go home now.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • ChrkeePrde

      idiot

      January 17, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      lol, how would you know about Asian genitals you perve, shouldn't you be in Thailand molesting little boys?

      January 17, 2012 at 9:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • multi-racial rainbow

      What is your point? You prove by your comment that perhaps it is both your heads that are small. If you were all that, you would not have the need to post that sort of comment in this forum.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill Lee

      Very nice comment. It's probably made me won a lot of wrestling matches in high school since coaches probably think I'm weak. That made so much sense! But it didn't make sense when I was 3rd out of 20 in my group in a ten mile (100 lbs body armor/backpack) march a few years back in my last year in the military before deployment.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        Most of these internet cowboys don't understand what that means Bill...but I hear ya – nothing like a hump to teach you about pain USMC 01-05

        January 18, 2012 at 8:27 am | Report abuse |
  51. Lopaka

    what is the efin HAZING mentality you red-necks have ? The armed forces are full the most ingorant kids on the planet. Grow up already. Get a life, read a book. Does it make you feel better to bang on someone else ? Does it make you feel like a big shot ? give you self confidence ? what up brah ?

    January 17, 2012 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • DJ

      Wow, talk about ignorant. Bullying happens anywhere. The problem is a lot of people are dbags. Many more aren't, but way too many are. And what happens in a group setting like that, or school, or even construction crews? Ever watch African Cichlids (fish) in a group in an aquarium? They all gang up on one until it's dead, then another lucky and soon to be ex-fish is tagged "it". And they do that until only one is left. People in groups are about as much fun. If everyone would live by "do unto others" it'd be a much better world. Dream on, huh?

      January 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Face

      It is true.... the kids coming back now are not qualified to chew gum... I guess the whole thing is just to make more GOP voters.....

      January 17, 2012 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
  52. bannister

    Great. Now the Asians are getting on the victim bandwagon too. If there is a legitimate pattern of anti-Asian assaults, then sure, let's talk about it. But curiously, there's been a huge number of anti-white hate crimes over the last 10 years and CNN has never written an article about them.

    As far as Asian suicides go, perhaps the explanation is partly biological? After all, Asians have a higher suicide rate than whites IN ASIAN NATIONS! Whites in turn, have a higher suicide rate than blacks who are supposedly the most "oppressed." Think about it.

    January 17, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pr1ck Perry

      GREAT comment! Yup! Boys will b Boys, after all, and good ol boys more than others. We should be allowed to bully, yell racist taunts, and generally treat our friends and compatriots worse than we treat our enemies. After all, we ran away from the real Chinese Army, even when they had inferior weapons, so we can't really beat them anywhere except as gangs beating up on little kids, hey?

      January 17, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tod

      boo-hoo.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tod

      bannister, you are a M-o-r-o–n

      January 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tod

      not much to say about it. you deal with it head-on when it happens. confront, question, punish.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      lol, this article about bullying against Asians, so take your white victimization claims to CNN just so they write an article about it. You are obviously trying to devalue and deflect the issue.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • multi-racial rainbow

        High-five to you....I'm glad they posted this article. Tired of people running around saying "Ohhh racism is over." It is still thrives.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      Minorities better be quiet because we live in this country ruled by white people.
      We should only work and be quiet while they trample on minorities based on their physical and ethnic differences.
      How American.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • multi-racial rainbow

        Oh we can talk as long as it is like them. We have to dress like them, drive american cars to prove loyalty etc. You know what I discovered from the pack of bigots I ran into. I spoke a little to well, dressed to well, drove a nice car and lived in a nice area. So they tried to destroy me. Can't win with crazy and bigotry is crazy.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      I've heard something similar about how it's wrong to have a 'victimization mentality'. My father told me this. 'You can't show fear. If you run away from a bee and the bee follows you.' This guy named Stewart Swerdlow also says people with vicimization mentality will attract tyrants and bullies. And yet, mental illness/derangement is real. Soldiers coming back from tours with PTSD can't will-power their symptoms away. Um, so you're saying it's best to pretend that nothing is wrong? Just pretend the problem doesn't exist and the problem will go away? Not sure how to sort that issue out. I wish I knew the answer. All I know is, you need to know what to do to resolve a problem. You need some definite protocol. People need to be trained to know what to do in case of situation A, B, C or D, etc. People generally are not armed with any such knowledge.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse |
  53. cmc

    It's bad enough when kids are bullying each other, but then adults in the military are doing it to their own colleagues? Pathetic. When I was in high school, it seemed the only people who were military bound after graduation were the fairly unstable, closed minded, not particularly book smart, propensity to settle things with their fists types. Reading numerous articles along the lines of this one makes me think the microcosm of my high school wasn't so different from overall reality.

    January 17, 2012 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tim

      I served 4 years in the enlisted military and was also a National Merit Finalist in high school... I had a few friends in my platoon alone that had graduate degrees, but were enlisted infantryman. You use racist logic like those you purport to attack. You apply your anecdotal experience to an entire class. Way to go. You're SO smart.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      This article has a lot to do with stereotyping which is exactly what you are doing in your statement. I served proudly in the army from 2006 to 2009 and was deployed. I am so far from being racist. My platoon consisted of whites, blacks, asian and latinos. For the most part we all got along like brothers and race was never an issue with any of us. And we were an Infantry unit. Granted there are racist people in the military. I have seen that first hand as well. But please don't put all of in that category. 95% of us are upstanding individuals that put our lives on the line for your freedoms.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Sam Anyone

    The ignorance in this country is amazing. The Land of the Free. For who?

    January 17, 2012 at 8:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Name

      Well, "free" only refers to "nothing" in your country.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • ItMakeSense

      Not too many Americans walking around with an actual brain in their heads.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Call_The_Bluff

    Wy committed suicide? Blow their brains out before you kill yourself you idiots!

    January 17, 2012 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Annia

      I would have done that too, if I were those two outstanding Asian-American soldiers.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
  56. maddog49

    This news is not only maddening, it is disheartening. I thought this crap was over! Didn't Yao Ming and Ichiro Suzuki make it hip to be an Asian man in America? Perhaps, not. I am in my mid-50's, born in San Francisco Chinatown and a lifelong Californian. Not only did I endure years of racial slurs from kids of other races growing up, the kind you've all heard about, I also had to put up with about 25 years of young, single Asian women refusing to consider me for dating, much less marriage. It was so-o-o hip for them to have Caucasian men. This kind of racism cannot be outlawed, for it is impossible to legislate love. Thankfully, Asian American women born in the 1980's and later grew up thinking it's okay to want men of their own race. Myself, I met my wife, a Chinese national, when I was 50. She doesn't want to hear anything about my past problems. Okay, I figured it was over.

    Now, Jeff Yang is telling me it is still almost as bad as it ever was.

    January 17, 2012 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      I think California is like the most multi-cultural state in the U.S. probably. 'Everyone in California comes from somewhere else'.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • asian guy

      California is a bit Asian friendly. The rest of the country lack exposure to different cultures, and therefore remain ignorant.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • MilpitasGuy

      There's a reason why I chose to live in Milpitas, brah. Whites are the minority here. We have Filipino mayor too. Whites discriminate against Asians at their own risk in Milpitas and in Santa Clara county in general. You may not be aware of it but we have a lot of pretty good MMA (mixed martial arts) guys from Milpitas who are Filipino.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • multi-racial rainbow

      Sadly there is still alot of people teaching hate to their children at home in the US. I was raised in Washington state and the area I grew up in is a melting pot. Most of my friends are of some Asian descent. My mother did not go around our home mentioning people's races. As long as people were nice they were welcome.

      Be proud of who you are and I'm glad you found a nice lady. I haven't met the right person yet, but I will not limit my choices to one race. As long as we share the same values, then I am ok with that.

      This country was built on the backs of Chinese men. It would be great if we heard more about their history as well.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
  57. Rebecca

    I'm confused by the description "immigrant Asian American". Is this a bizarre way of saying a naturalized citizen, or is the writer perpetuating an idea that Asian Americans are still immigrants somehow?

    January 17, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Report abuse |
  58. got rice?

    I understand the bullying as an Asian-American growing up in a mostly white neighborhood. However, I went to Cornell and I don't think the example of Cornell's suicides supports the author's arguments. The student body is diverse enough that no ethnic group should feel really isolated and the author even cites the 1/5 asian population. I feel that the suicides are more linked to pressures of achievement and social awkwardness rather than any underlying racial bullying.

    January 17, 2012 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • rapid_dog

      To a certain extent, yes. But when it's this far off from the other ethnic groups, there's something wrong. And I highly doubt Asians are more pressured than others - if you're at Cornell University, everybody is used to being pressured and no one group is more pressured than others; everybody has a 'Tiger Mom'.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • got rice?

        Sure, I agree there is something wrong when the majority of suicides are Asians, however I think the argument is fundamentally flawed if you think the typical asian student at Cornell is "heavily isolated." I just don't see the anti-asian bullying connection. It's something else.

        January 17, 2012 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Elise

        The possible reasons have been openly discussed. Here is a link I left in my post from a little bit earlier.

        http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/april06/chung.ksr.html

        January 17, 2012 at 8:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnkeating

        Good article, Elise. Might I add, Asian [parents] have zero belief in [western] psychology and are so shame-ridden about even considering seeking [talk] therapy or a psychiatrist for help. They'd rather commit suicide than do so. lol. I see this in my own parents! Like I said, there is a very high incompatibility between the cultures of the U.S. and [East] Asia.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      I think both are involved. The pressures are coming both internally from within [authoritarian] parents as well as from socially from peers and the larger society (this includes so-called 'racial' features as well). The cultural conflicts between asians and western society adds greatly to the 'integrative' struggles of asian americans.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Elise

    I'm a bit offended about the statement regarding Cornell University. I was a student at Cornell, and I fail to believe that the increased suicides among the Asian population is due to bullying. Most, if not all, students at Cornell are friends with Asians. I have never seen an Asian student singled out and bullied. Please correct me if you attended Cornell and have seen differently.

    There has been open discussion about why Asians make up a large percentage of the suicides at Cornell. Read if you're interested:
    http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/april06/chung.ksr.html

    So please don't go comparing my university to the situation in Afghanistan where the 2 soldiers were tormented and isolated. At Cornell, it most likely is due to increased pressures from family and society.

    January 17, 2012 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • got rice?

      Wow, you beat my post by like a minute, but I'm in complete agreement with you.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      It is true though, that suicide is more socially accepted in Asian societies. Shame tends to be a stronger phenomenon also in asian societies. Ideas about freedom and individuality don't hold as much value either among asian countries. They're more believers in control and authority.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • noizee

      I knew an asian girl who went to Cornell. One of her asian friends on campus was date raped. The victim,s parents were extremely strict and she was terrified to tell them anything about her ordeal or why her grades were dropping. My friend ended up rushing her to an ER after a suicide attempt. My point is thatbthere are a lot of mitigating factors as to why an ethnic group is deemed vulnerable and why they might resort to suicide more so than another group might.

      January 17, 2012 at 11:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • DD

      I definitely agree with you, I saw Cornell being mentioned and had to comment.
      Think about it, if 1/5 of the campus is asian then obviously non-asian students encounter them all the time. I've never encountered racial bullying there. Cornell is a university, not a middle school. Give us some credit.

      January 19, 2012 at 12:03 am | Report abuse |
  60. J

    Being Chinese American, I can honestly attest to the racism against Chinese in the US both growing up and currently. Culturally and ethnicly insensitive Americans abound with their slurs, stereotypes, immigrant/citizen biases, and more recently hate crimes that led to the deaths of those two American soldiers. Between the blame the victim comments, blatant ignorance, and minority baiting, I would say that most of the negative responses here represent why those soldiers died. Racism is alive and well and as Americans we should be at the forefront of fighting it instead of promoting it.

    January 17, 2012 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • kamaro

      You are right, we should be at the forefront in fighting racism. This country is supposed to be a melting pot of ethnicities and beliefs. I'm a white American, but my wife and I have 4 kids, and we do think about bullying. We've encouraged our kids to talk to us as much as possible about their experiences at school and out in the world, and we encourage them to support and stand up for others. I have to add that one reason I clicked on this story is that we have an adopted Chinese daughter, and the headline here shocked me.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • Name

        I couldn't help but point this out...
        Being a "melting pot" is a BAD thing. As a Canadian living in the most multicultural city in the world (where only 3 of my 11 friends are NOT Asian in some way), I can say that racism does not exist here. In fact, the only race-based bully I know is Korean, and nobody can stand him anyways (of course since everyone's from a different country or mix of countries). Anyways, you're looking for the word "mosaic", where all the cultures fit together to make a beautiful masterpiece. A "melting pot" (which America truly is) refers to all the cultures being blended and thus assimilated into the main dominant culture(s).

        January 17, 2012 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnkeating

        Yup. Sounds about right. This one chinese neighbor said once, 'Why can't America be a mixing pot instead of a melting pot?'

        January 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • TomHank

      The biggest problem with Asian-Americans is their inability to organize into a powerful group for the purpose of countering racism. Just look at the accomplishments of the African-Americans.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnkeating

        I've heard Asians in the U.S. aren't very politically involved. Heck, they're generally not involved too much socially at all, because they feel alienated from American culture. American culture is too foreign to them. Might get easier for the succeeding generations, maybe.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • multi-racial rainbow

      You are right unfortunately. We didn't have many Chinese people in the area, but we did have Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian etc. One poor guy moved in and was just bullied like crazy. In gym class some of the jerks/jocks would throw a ball really hard at the back of his head and laugh. Our school finally had a disucssion with the entire student body about the cambodian students who came in. They explained the hardships they had seen in escaping and ask people to lighten-up. It did work.

      On the flip side, I have to say that I have been the oject of pointing and taunting by Asians. My point in mentioning this is this sort of things happens because of what people tell their children. Even if someone doesn't learn it at home, if they learn it from a friend and their parent is aware, they need to correct them.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
  61. johnkeating

    As some observers of bullying phenomenon in high schools have pointed out, environments where bullying tends to be pervasive are where everyone is being bullied as well as bullying others. The ones who are considered the most different will be the ones most harassed. There's this old Arabic proverb - '[Me against my brother.] my brother and me against my cousin, my cousin and me against the stranger.' And I would also say that those environments where people tend to gather in groups [for protection and/or power] (gangs, organized crime, fraternal organizations, team sports, secret societies, ethnic communities) is where 'the nail that sticks out [most] will be the first to be hammered down'. I don't know. Maybe the bigger picture is, patriarchal, authoritarian societies tend to breed this mentality.

    January 17, 2012 at 8:09 pm | Report abuse |
  62. rodwick

    Shocking. Not the US military standard at all. There's only one racial color in the US Army and that's green. There are no races or differing beliefs in god in a combat unit. We are together or we are dead. So if this is true in any fashion it is a isolated occurrence and an example of a unit with very poor leadership. Only a complete break down of the command structure could cause this. If it is true the blame resides with the troops involved and their direct chain of command. This does not reflect upon the US Military as a whole.

    January 17, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Maya

      Sure, unless you're gay or a woman. Then you're screwed.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • not one color...

      you should take a look at the DFAC the next time you're in there....and see how they are divided racially. Not so one color anymore...I can also argue how they are divided culturally...but with culture usually comes race. Occasionally you'll see mixed groups. But nothing in the military is different from high school....just different environment, different rules, and different goals. There are tons of ignorant people in the military...and it's a huge cultural-shock when they come in the military and see a whole bunch of different groups. Sorry, the reality is that we'll never get rid of bullying against race, culture, ethnicity, stereotypes, etc. It'll always be there...the only thing that will change is how we deal with the ones who commit them.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • rodwick

        All good points. The one thing we take away from this dialog is that we are all equally outraged. The world will be what it is. We must all be more engaged.

        January 17, 2012 at 8:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnkeating

        The military is pretty much a patriarchal, authoritarian group that emphasizes team (hierarchy and blind obedience) not individuality (independent judgment). Not surprising that intolerant and peer pressure is very high in such environment. It would be interesting to see how raising awareness of cultural conflicts and peer pressure affects such groups. Not sure if repeal of 'don't ask don't tell' is having much of an affect on quality of life for gay military personnel... I'm very curious as to how this will turn out if it receives high publicity.

        January 17, 2012 at 8:58 pm | Report abuse |
  63. SR

    Jeff, thank you for writing on this. I was wondering if you had any comment or could point to resources on Asian Americans that are discriminated or ostracized by their own ethnic groups, as well by others. I've seen it discussed for other ethnicities (e.g. "not being black enough"), but haven't seen any discussion of it for Asians.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      Good point. I'd consider myself such an individual. I'm originally South Korean by birth, but have become so 'americanized' that I have long been alienated by my parents and others. I can't say I relate very well to other Korean Americans either, quite frankly (they're generally more tradition-conforming than I am). Would I say I've been 'brain-washed' into thinking I'm white? Not sure I can say that. Maybe. But I'm painfully aware of the deep [cultural] division between East and West, having lived in both S. Korea and U.S. East coast. And I will tell you, I've been discriminated against both in S. Korea and in the U.S. I don't know anybody who feels equally at home in both places. Everyone seems to lean more toward one culture than another.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • rodwick

        John. I've been enjoying your comments tonight. You sound just like my Asian buddies who taught me to fish on the big water. I'm sorry to say but I think you've become a full blown American. Welcome aboard brother, you are now cultureless. Cultureless is the only word I have to describe this state of Americana we all currently live in. So much is in play right now.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      I'd have to say I feel pretty much in my own category. I don't feel like I belong in any group at all. I'm too 'eccentric' to belong to any existing group.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • SR

        Thank you to John and others for the thread of reasonable discussion; I appreciate your comments. I'm Korean as well, but have generally been treated worse by Koreans than American Caucasians due to "looking Chinese or half, not Korean" (my family was from the north prior to the split) and then not speaking Korean because of that. I don't identify myself with an ethnicity as much as I do the meritocracy we have in parts of Silicon Valley: we are defined by our skills and abilities, our achievements, and our legacy. It's only been in this kind of environment where I've seen race become a non-issue.

        I agree that the focus of the article is Asian-American discrimination by others, but I think the rational consensus is that racism is found everywhere and will generally be with us. As long as people identify themselves with a racial group and take pride it in, we'll have some negative effects as well.

        January 18, 2012 at 1:12 am | Report abuse |
    • multi-racial rainbow

      Yes Asians have their own hierarchy as well. Many are not aware of it unless they have Asian friends. Mixed-race asians are not highly regard. Nor are Asian women who married Americans of any color. I am not going to repeat what I heard but the references are very mean.

      At the end of the day, it would be nice if the races and ethnicities would work to get along, agree that it is ok to disagree and keep ones culture while still respecting the culture of others. The constant need to oppress, control and rule is just lame.

      There are good decent people in all races and ethnicities. Name calling and all the other ugly things linked to racism and bigotry is just lame and weak.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • farquhar

        Maybe, but the larger culture is quick to congratulate Asian women who marry non-Asians. They may face racism, but Asian women are largely welcomed and accepted by the larger culture. The culture promotes that idea too; to watch TV in this country you'd think Asian women ONLY married white men. By contrast, Asian men are universally hated and getting beat on.

        But, why are we talking about some other detail of racism within the Asian community? It seems like whenever there's a story about racism against Asians, people are interested in steering the conversation towards something else – like how Asians themselves are racist, or how the incident "is not so bad" or "not as bad as" some other incident.

        Give THESE incidents the attention they deserve. Give THIS racism the attention and criticism it deserves.

        January 17, 2012 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
  64. johnkeating

    I think the simple answer is that Americans have been conditioned to fear and be intolerant of outsiders from the very start - the historical formation of the United States by virtually exterminating both friendly and hostile American Indians should give you an idea of the type of motives that led to its origination, despite whatever idealistic picture history books paint. shrugs. The fact is, the physical and cultural division between East and West is nowhere greater than between the U.S. and [East] Asia. Asian Indians too suffer from discrimination but they are relatively more Westernized and Western-looking than the rest of Asians. Look at the way the U.S. treats the rest of the world - it's basically bullying the rest of the world into submission. This behavior reflects what happens on a smaller scale in the U.S. itself. sigh. I'm sorry, I know we Americans like to think of ourselves as the champions of freedom and justice and the protectors of the weak (the 'good guys', but it's not the truth. Not that all Americans are evil. lol. So, what I'm saying is, this is the result of 1) the basic [xenophobic, controlling] personality of the U.S.; 2) the [unrealistic] ideology of multi-culturalism and acceptance of influx of huge numbers of immigrants from all over the world; 3) the rise of the internet and other forms of instant communication, which has increased awareness of cultural and personal differences, which actually increases intolerance, not decreases it. That's my best guess. Belief in multi-culturalism is not something that is too common in the rest of the world, I might add. Very few countries let in masses of immigrants from elsewhere like the U.S. does or did in the past. Perhaps the goal of multi-culturalism is to keep a population divided conflicted among themselves. shrugs.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • waka

      what do you mean east indians are more westernized, if you mean the fact that north indians are techacily caucasians, then i dont think that counts, since east indians seem to fallow their traditions more and keep their so-called exotic names

      January 17, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      Maybe what I'm trying to say there is, India is geographically closer to Europe and because it was a British colony at one time, has had more intimate dealings with the caucasians. I guess. They look physically more Western generally than other asians.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • rodwick

      John this is a human condition not an American one. America is where the problem is exposed and open or all to see. If you take the example of most nations on this earth they are predominately populated with a mono culture. We do not have nor do we desire the luxury of such a simple society. We have all ways been from our creation a multi cultural society. Its not easy and its not pretty but it is the fight for all of humanity and one well worth engaging in.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnkeating

        I agree. Maybe it's the price to be living here in the U.S. as an immigrant. It is what it is. The American Indians went through it, the African slaves went through it, the Jews went through it, the Irish went through it, the Hispanics went through it, the rest of us will go through it too. sigh

        January 17, 2012 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnkeating

        The South American Indians went through its own tumultuous transition after the Spanish conquered the natives there, from what I've read. The eskimos of North America are also become largely westernized, no longer following their traditional lifestyle or culture all that much. History seems to be that of one civilization always being conquered by another time and time again.

        January 17, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
  65. asian kid

    wish i was in the place of the victim. Would have answered.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Chappy

    Size matters. So does quite personality types. Bullies are cowards. The soldiers who bullied those kids are cowards. Where are stories of the suicides of white kids, because i know there are some. Picked on because they were small, red-headed, different accents, etc?

    White people are no more aggresive or hateful than any other human beings. To make that case out of the statistics of two suicides out of all the deaths in those wars is irresponsible journalism and pandering to create readers from controversial articles which always generates readership outsized to the actual content of their articles.

    The majority of racism Ive personally seen, rudeness, aggression, etc. in all jy years of living has been by a minority. It was never layback, it was a culture.

    I'm in no way saying those kids deserved to be put through what they were.

    I am saying this article was written to create ad revenue by casting racist remarks with no regard or reporting of statistics of other incidents and stating as though it were fact that whites were racist more than anyone else is a lie.

    Politicians and media bs writers profit from such lies the rest of us do not.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • rodwick

      Chappy, I would agree that the media uses the same tactics as bullies to create sensational stories just like this one. As my grandmother taught me when I was young. Anyone who isolates anyone else from the group as an example by any means for any reason is not your friend . They are positioning themselves as a subject matter expert so they can dictate the next expected behavior to said group. You may be the next example.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Chappy, are you really saying that racism are mostly committed by minorities? You've been watching too much Fox News and their concept of "reverse racism". Yes, there are thousand of death in the wars we're in, but suicide/death by the virtue of being bullied is not very common and it should be dressed and punishment for those bullies should ensue.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • TheDood

      Looks like you read a bit more into the article, than was there. Bullying has been in the news for some time now. The article was pointing out how the rate of Asian victims is higher. That's all.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
  67. sad

    i am an international student and that video really made me sad. Those stupid beings need to understand that in one place they are entertaining themselves by beating an asian kid to pulp and in another place an exhausted asian kid is arming himself for another virginia tech massacre. Good work thugs...you are breeding future killers. I am sure that kid will grow up with that humiliation for the rest of his life and at some point if his past nagging memories win over his conscience, then he will answer the society.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
  68. the_dude

    Its ok if this happens to asians because they are quiet and dont complain like blacks and mexicans. Because asians are successful in society they are not allowed to sue either unlike blakcs and mexicans who are very unsucessful.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
  69. jimbo

    The two should have joined the USAF or USN. The USArmy and Marine enlistees aren't the brightest, rather they're dim bulbs who would be flipping burgers otherwise.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • SayHelloToMyLittleFriend

      Not the brightest? So I guess that's why 60% of the Fobes 500 companies' CEO's were prior Marines you imbecile.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bernie

      maybe you just meant they are more tolerant than the grunts or marines

      January 17, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Guy

      Im Asian and was in the army. I loved it but you do have to be tough. I grew up in the south; I guess that from growing up in Chinatown in NY he had no idea how to deal with racism. Not that he should have had to, of course. This is a sad story, but suicide is never the answer.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimbo

      @SayHelloToMyLittleFriend. You'll notice I wrote "enlistee" which refers in military lingo as non-officer/non-warrant officer grade. There is a difference in educational requirements between officer and enlistee. It's obvious you've never served.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
  70. Beth

    We are a country that let Vincent Chin's killers get away with it because of a racist judge's illogical, indefensible reasoning. That's a while ago but I still see people who are supposedly very anti-racism who will tell jokes where the punch like is English spoken with a supposed Asian accent. I'm not sure what happened with the two men who committed suicide in this story but it is a shame if their fellow soldiers treated them as less than based on race.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
  71. asian guy

    America is a country of violence. American politicians will tell you America is full of gracious, hardworking, and God fearing people, but its really lie, fact is America is full of racist bigots who believe in using violence to get there way.
    Look at the amount of wars American politicians have drummed up, and see all the "devout Christians" wanting to wage wars against small impoverished countries. The way the U.S. gov works is just a macrocosm of how Americans tend to treat the weak. Blessed is the weak, more like Blessed is the one with more guns. Christian nation, hilarious!

    January 17, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • JT

      Racism exists in every culture, including Asian cultures. As an Asian guy myself, I've experienced discrimination in many cultures, and yes I found the easiest way to make it stop was to throw a few punches myself. If you think it's more violent here, maybe you should check out Somalia or Iraq, or even the Baltics. You can always move to Hawaii like I did, where Asians are the majority...at least on Oahu.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
  72. dave

    What a shame of ignorant peoples whom never discover what the world have to offer. As a squad leader in the U.S Army an Asian American myself have experience the nonsense of ignorant folks whom feel comfortable within there own little word. But feel insecurity within themselves and pick on minority. But suicide is not the answer!!!

    January 17, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
  73. todd

    Bullies in the military – Article says "all of whom were white".
    Attackers in South Philly and Bridgeport assaults – Article silent about.
    Look it up yourself, the unmentioned sttackers were black.
    Jeff, would you ever say "all of whom were black" ????

    January 17, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • JJ

      That's not permitted....especially on CNN. And BTW...it's African-American for you're not supposed to say "black" even if the black person is not American.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • JT

      I'm sure the Asian guy could give a rats @$$ about whether the attackers were Black or White. It's not the point of the article.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      You're right. I had no idea how much hatred blacks were capable of until I lived in Philadelphia. I also encountered some intolerance from white college students in central Pennsylvania also. I'm of the belief that all of Pennsylvania, if not all of the U.S., has at least some degree of intolerance for asians.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
  74. Chris

    this is a very grim situation

    January 17, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Inthelandof....

    I am white. I live in an Asian country. In said country, it is perfectly acceptable to charge me more for services and goods because I am white. It is acceptable to leave me hurt on the street because I "do not belong." It is acceptable to explain to me that "my people" are not as smart or kind as" their people." Theses things are not considered rascist but patriotic.

    It should also be noted that every year, during exam time, there is a rash of suicides. High school and college aged people take their lives regularly based on their scholastic performance. It is a common notion that the slightest failure is indicative of their entire future. It is accepted and spoken of quite passively.

    Finally, kids picking on each other in the school yard is not new. Now, however, we get to call it rascism because we are the most diverse country on the planet. If all of the children in the school were white, white kids would be picked on. If all of the students were black, black students would be picked on. If all of the students were..... The point is, just because two people of different races are fighting does not mean that they are fighting due to race. Some kids are just jerks, whatever their race.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Inthelandof....

      racist and racism

      January 17, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Aaron

      I'm sorry to hear that you're mistreated like that. Any country no matter which race will most likely treat foreigners badly. The thing is America isn't a "white" country. The students, the soldiers were just as American as their bullies so it isn't because they don't belong as you said of yourself, it's clearly bullying and racial if they're targeted.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Inthelandof....

        I think that's my point, Aaron. America is not a white country, so whenever someone is picked on, their race will probably be different from the assailant. I dislike the idea of anyone being bullied, but to call it racially motivated because the races are different is just silliness to me. ( In America.) People definitely point out the most obvious when bullying. (I am a grown woman and still get picked on for being too thin.) It doesn't prove racist intent though. It just proves that the bullies are jerks.

        January 17, 2012 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • concern

      6 whites beating one asian is racism.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Inthelandof....

        Did you assume that they were white? I can't find that information anywhere.

        January 17, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lily

      Inthelandof..., both you and I have been strangers in strange lands, I am sorry to hear about your experience. Yes, jerks are jerks, but racism is racism. You received RACIST treatments. You don't get charged more because you are skinny. Just because racism is not the only cause for bullying, doesn't mean it can't be a cause.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        I agree with you Lily. Racism is not just pertaining to the US. It exists in other country as well, but that does not excuse the racism in this country. We have come a long way from enslaving the blacks to a black president. But the work for harmony and peace between all people is not complete yet.

        January 17, 2012 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Inthelandof....

        Lily. Thanks for the empathy. I should say that it is NOT everyone in this country who behaves that way. There are many kind and helpful people. It's no different than the U.S. Some people are racist jerks but many more are not at all.

        I think that we claim too much is racially motivated. In the U.S., your neighbor, your best friend, and members of your family are often different races. When one has a falling out with any of these people, is it considered racism because they are a different race? It's not. It's just people fighting. Kids are growing up in a much more diverse society. Their friends and enemies are probably not going to be the same race.

        Bullying is bullying. It is not O.K in any situation. Still, it does happen. My white child has been bullied for the last year and a half. Most of the kids who take part are not white. Should I assume then that she is being bullied because she is white? Should I raise a call to arms for all white people to be on the lookout for bullying of whites? Since another of her white friends is also bullied, it must be racially motivated, right? No. It's because those bullies are bad kids who would pick on anyone they could find. Their excuse for the behavior matters little.

        January 17, 2012 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lily

        Inthelandof..., sorry to hear about your child too. I was bullied as a child by my own race, and I understand. But if the bullies are not white, then yes, racism could be the cause, it's very possible, you can't say it's not there. When you said, "their excuse matters little," I guess what you meant is that we don't expect a change of behaviors from the jerks. I agree. Yet, their "excuse" matters, because it is the root of the problem – if they were not racist, your child wouldn't be bullied in the first place. Their "excuse" helps you solve the puzzle on how to best protect your child. For my case, the bullying stopped only because of graduation of elementary and middle school. If school choice is available to you, I suggest you use it. I never exercised that option, because I never told my parents. I was bullied by a big guy during middle school (only because I have an English name!), and due to his constant mocking, I became the laughing stock of the whole class. After middle school, I got a new set of classmates in high school, and I (surprisingly) became someone favorable among classmates, and there was no bullying at all. Another case I know is that a white girl got bullied by white kids in school, until one day they burned her hair on the hallway. Her mom switched her to parochial school and the girl is much more happy now. I also know a Chinese lady's son who was bullied in NJ by 3 white boys in high school, but the school suspended the victim for 3 days. She went to talk to the principal, and the principal refused to see her. She vowed lawsuit. She mortgaged her house in order to hire a lawyer. They filed lawsuit, not asking for money – all she asked for was a formal apology, and man, did she get one. They held a meeting for her, the principal, the parents of the 3 white boys – all of them were on stage to apologise to her. No one bullied her kid anymore. I feel sad that sometimes we can't make things right in this country unless we make a scene. Whatever actions you choose to protect your kids, I pray and wish that your child will be happy and safe again. Love and best wishes to you.

        January 18, 2012 at 4:52 am | Report abuse |
    • TomHank

      Come on, the article is not about bullying in the school yard, or charging people extra money because of the notion that they are from a wealthier country.

      Bullying and mocking or abusing a specific minority should not be tolerated by the military, especially to the extent that causes suicides. This is a shame on the military. On the other hand, why join the military if you can't stand up for yourself? And why just shoot yourself?

      January 17, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        I was thinking the same thing. He should at least shot all of those who bullied him and then take his life. lol. Joking.

        January 17, 2012 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Lily

    I guess Asian are generally very forgiving and like to stay quiet. I have been to several restaurants that refused to seat me or treated me like I didn't exist, but I've never made a peep about it. There were many insults directed at Indian adult residents in Old Bridge, NJ, and nothing came to light until after an Indian professor was beaten to death by black and white teenagers. Seriously, what can we do? The root of the problem is in the mind of the assailants, and we cannot do anything about it, can we? You cannot stop someone from hating you, no matter how courteous you are or how hard you try to become a model citizen. Denny Chan's case speaks volume about it. My heart aches for his grieving parents.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
  77. Disgusted

    This article is dripping with a kind of underhanded, bigoted propaganda that is shameful. That viral video wasn't a bunch of white kids beating up one Asian kid – it was a bunch of Asian kids bullying another Asian kid.

    Let's talk about the reality of Chinese in North America and how the seek out segregation, who want their own communities in their own towns and most, while not spoken outside of their own circles, strictly forbid mixing. There is a form of racism so thick in Asian circles that it's surprising more Americans don't speak out against it. I think it's sad that two Asian soldiers died and this so called journalist is trying to use it as a soapbox to demonize white people in this country. I bet his accusations probably won't hold up to any kind of scrutiny and this piece sounds like an example of convenient journalism.

    Tsk. Tsk.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • David R

      What I funny is that you think we are racist? Maybe we are in a point but the reality is that most started with the dominant group in America (whites). Historically and economically, Asian congregate into their "ethnic centers" was the fact that we were denied economic mobility, lack of integration, and racism. So to state what you stated is silly because you did not know when it all started. What keeps it happening in modern times is the stereotype that we are nerds and we are passive. That is the reality.. Being a big Korean American, no one dare to instigate with me because I am not passive and vocal and I could match physically with most counterparts.. So why pick on the other Asians? Because they believe they could bully. That is the basic fact.. Being denied numerous promotions even though my achievements and capabilities have been proven, my skin does make a difference (being a threat for your promotion to just being one of 3 Asians at my previous employer). At the end, what you report forgets where racism started.. BTW, being back in NYC area (where ethnic diversity is accepted), I have been promoted multiple times and my previous employer beg for me to return? Why would I? Lastly, racism has two elements... Passive and aggressive. If any passive racism was seen was from Asians but rather you see the aggressive racism leading to actions that most other groups would inflict on Asians. Is racism right? No.. Does it and will it exist? Yes.. But we all know that but crossing the line is the whole point.. Too many groups do that all the time to Asians.. That is why Asians are disgusted.. BTW, we are no longer considered minorities.. We do not obtain any advantages that minorities are eligible to get.. That is the whole point.. We are treated like one but do not get any protection like one.. So to argue we are being racist is silly when the power at the hand is not in our control

      January 17, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
  78. Jeremy P.

    "all of whom were white"

    Really? Highly unlikely. I really doubt that the U.S. has any all white unit. Even if they were, I love how this was mentioned. I personally have met more black and asian people who were racist than I have white racists these days. And that's shocking considering I pretty much live in the former KKK capital of the midwest. Saying that line was nothing but a stereotype and was racist in its own right.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Aaron

      As an Asian, I agree. Although the writer brought to light what a lot of people never mention. The use of that was pointless and actually brought down the integrity of the article.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Okay

      They never said the whole unit was white. They said his "tormentors", they were calling him racial slurs and abusing him, but they never said it was the whole unit. Trying to get acceptance in a group and what-not, but they didn't say it was the whole group. Just a certain number of them that were white decided to bully him.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Report abuse |
  79. Super Mike

    All Asian Kids should learn Kung Fu to defend themselves. Also start lifting heavy weight. Personally I can bench press 300 pounds and do a lot of Wing Chun and Tai Chi. Anybody making fun of me sure will get their face smash into bits and pieces.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • shadow

      Maybe powerful bankers such UBS, Goldman Sachs, HSBC, the international banks should cut DIRECT TV or Cable to cut of UFC & MMA channels. Seriously, this country you have bully kids beating an innocent kids. What future will this James Ward Elementary victim kid become? Engineer or Scientists... Are you kidding he will not do any favors. He can't do will in school or go to college.

      A group of masked youth near James Ward Elementary could become future Al Qaeda or terrorist and killing 1,000 people like Norway shootout.

      Samsung developed advance touch screen window. Can racist people develop that prototype?

      January 17, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Super Mike is super gay.

      Super Mike is super gay.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Super Mike 2

      Super Mike is really gay.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
  80. WM

    I'm a white male and I agree it's a problem among the ignorant white folks in this country. But I remember high school and I used to see black kids abusing the asians a lot so perhaps it's irresponsible just to call out whites on this behavior?? Plus, In New York City a few years ago, they were murdering chinese delivery men for sport in the 'hood. It was all over the news. And there are no solutions presented in this article. If say, I was a young asian teen-ager, what advice do I glean from this article?? None. Regardless, it's a story that has to be told and I hope asian kids have a nicer time at school.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wow

      It's funny how you agree then you push blame to others. Yes, there is racism all around from other races than white but these two particular and recent events were done by white males, both of which shook the community. And how can you be so ignorant about what this article provides? It DOESN'T provide nothing. It gives awareness to racism toward Asians, something that many people in the world disregard even happening in every day life.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • WM

        Perhaps if the author gave some solutions to this old problem, then maybe you or your kids could be safer. Asian racism doesn't need awareness, it needs solutions. What good is it to be only aware of a problem if you don't care about how to fix it? People in this country especially the media enjoy "awareness" because it sells advertising space, but they could care less about fixing problems. That would require serious journalism.

        January 17, 2012 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Wow

        Racism is not like any disease that can be cured. There is no solution because 1) racism is too complicated and diverse among the world's population and 2) not every human being act and handle things the same. One person may be stronger from what they experience and the other one breaks down. The only solution there is would be if others know/learn about these events/cause and possibly get to know those who are different than them.

        January 17, 2012 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
  81. dave

    Interesting, the writer tells us the race of the service men who supposedly drove these guys to kill them selves. But doesn't mention the race of the people who actully attacked the asain students. I wonder why?

    January 17, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • darkdays4us

      Um. Line 17. Learn to comprehend what you read, sir.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • dave

        Really? I didn't see black or african american. Where was that in the article. I'm still not comprehending. Or are you just .... oh wait, i don't want to bully you. You might kill yourself.

        January 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ajdc

      Poor thing, you can't accept the fact that the tormentors were white?

      January 17, 2012 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
  82. serious

    if the bulling continue to bulling other asian kid or whatever i think other countries can start a war i mean think about if this keep continue

    January 17, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
  83. Qularknoo

    this is not just in America. Historically, all asian nations "hate" those asians from other asian nations ...

    January 17, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • estpdx1961

      I'm asian and in Jr.High was bullied by Asians myself for no reason... So it's weird hearing about other races bullying Asians. I'm a girl so I don't know how Asian males deal with bullies...

      January 17, 2012 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Tracy

    Do you know how many times I have heard other minorities tell Blacks to "Get over it" when something racially based happens to them? So: "Get over it!" Now, if you can't do that, then quit telling others to do it. You can't belittle my pain one day, then cry for compassion when the same thing happens to you the next day.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nate

      That is so stupid. Just because SOME people may have said that to you doesn't mean everyone feels that way. People always want to take the words and actions of a few and then apply that to a much larger, unrelated group. That is not reality.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Erv Gotti

      so because your race was treated badly, why does it give you a right to treat another person badly? You are a very poor representative of black people.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ajdc

        You know what? That's okay, because anyone who fosters hate and anger against others cannot truly be a happy person. It's a self-destructive lifestyle, and you reap what you sow. God Bless you.

        January 17, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
  85. serious

    ok i'm asian i'm saying this is not the right to do ok but why they beat this one kid i wish i could do something.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
  86. macphile

    On the other side of this issue, many people were heartened to see the outcry against that girl at UCLA who made that racist video. As people noted, there was a time when everyone would have laughed along with it, and no one would have thought twice about using a racial epithet or dressing up in Asian "blackface." So it *has* improved. Alas, it's still not perfect–not for any group. I personally don't think you can ever eliminate it 100%, frankly, because so much of it's driven by fear and you can't breed fear out of people, but we can at least always strive to combat it where we see it and try to raise people the right way.

    You don't hear much about Asian racism, and what you do hear of tends to be less vicious than what you see with some other groups, but there's still no place for it. I have family (not blood related) who are Filipino, and while I'm not sure they've ever been seriously harassed or anything, I remember them all sitting around once, sharing tales of stupid things their classmates had said to them over the years–people assuming they were Chinese, assuming they spoke Chinese, and so on. That's more ignorance than racism. But it behooves us to introduce the young'uns to all sorts of ethnic groups so they don't make stupid assumptions, and the kids in those cases were definitely ignorant because your average Filipino really doesn't look Chinese.

    And now I'm just rambling and will shut up.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Andrew

    Very good article. Finally someone has made a statement about a growing problem no one seems to want to admit exists. The truth is, anti-Asian American sentiment is not given the same level of empathy or concern by the Asian American community's probably only ally: The Left.

    It has to do with the fact that Asian Americans are not seen as "suffering" to the same extent as other groups. They are better off financially and academically than other groups – including whites. Therefore, they don't get the same level of "political and social equality" as others and nobody seems to care about that.

    In reality, helping out Asian Americans on the same basis as Blacks, Hispanics, and non-Hispanic immigrant groups is vital for real civil progress in this country.

    RIP to those Asian Americans who have taken their lives on account of bullying.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lenny

      Academically- maybe. Not financially, though.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • AlexK

        this is wrong. financially asians are more successful than whites.
        see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Income_inequity_US.png

        January 17, 2012 at 11:41 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Mike

    Create a stink, lawsuits, media, authorities will take notice.....this is disgusting, two guys willing to risk their lives for the country were hazed

    January 17, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
  89. Mike11357

    Soldiers are supposed to be strong people. I am one, I am a first generation Mexican as well. All of my peers know this and make fun of me, I don't kill myself because of this, I simply shoot insults back. We insult each other because we find it funny and it makes long days go shorter. If somebody is thin skinned enough to not be able to withstand the words of his friends, how will he stand the attacks from the enemy. Suicide is a weakness, and the military, as much as our superiors want it to stop, is better off. It might sound barbaric to people, but I need a strong willed, relentless individual to keep up with me, not somebody that gives up because it gets to hard.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nina

      Mike: Soldiers should be strong, sure, but they are also human. Soldiers come back home with PTSD and are too "stong" to seek help, so they end up hurting themselves and others. This stereotype of soldiers, especially male soldiers, needing to be too strong for emotions is simply an archaic point of view. What soldiers should be is united and quick to accept fellow soldiers as brothers and sisters. These soldiers were not that, and they should be ashamed.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike11357

        Nina you are completely right, as a whole we need to help each other with PTSD. The only problem is that now in days, soldiers are getting PTSD from mortar hitting 200 meters away from them. I gotten hit by many IEDs, shot at, mortared, and lost several friends, yet I don't claim it. And I am not a special case, I know dozens of soldiers that are worst of than me and don't claim it. How is that fair? Who should I support?

        January 17, 2012 at 8:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • asianpride3301

      What would you do if the abuse were physical rather than verbal? Fight back? Easier said than done when it's an entire platoon versus one. You could easily get yourself killed that way. You can't expect everyone to be willing to trade their lives in combatting racist bullying.
      If the non-Asians want to go and risk their lives overseas, go for it. I'm not necessarily going to thank you or honor you for it, since it's clear you aren't doing it for me.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike11357

        You are right, I am not doing it for you, I do it because I like to fight, simple as that. I don't know where you got the physical abuse part, but I will tell you an entire platoon probably will not care enough for beating up one single guy. Also, there is always a reason soldiers get picked on, usually involving their inability to accomplish tasks to standard, or lack of common sense. The further back in the army history you go the stronger the hazing. Really, now in days yelling at the new guys sends them running to seek mental health. People just need to harden the hell up.

        January 17, 2012 at 8:30 pm | Report abuse |
  90. DougFromSF

    It's an interesting and tragic trend, but I think the author could do a better job of explaining why. Asians have been around a long time. Bullying has been around a long time. Why are Asians suddenly the targets of so much bullying? What changed?

    January 17, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
  91. sigma

    finally a voice standing up for Asian racism.

    January 17, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rick

      Maybe if Asians in general weren't as racist as they come they would have a better leg to stand on in this issue. Not to say any of this bullying is right, but those who live in glass houses.....

      January 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • joe

        cant wait until your kids / grandkids get bullied

        January 17, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • PThomas

        i totally agree. they are sooo racist.

        January 17, 2012 at 11:22 pm | Report abuse |
  92. JM

    Practicing racism toward Asians is an easier outlet than toward blacks and hispanics. Patriotism has ALWAYS been the veil of chioce. It allows unconcerned whites to walk away with a clear mind. As long as there's not a bloody riot ala LA race riots of the early 70s this will likely continue.

    January 17, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
  93. jimmy Grahm

    Asians, Blacks, and Mexicans are just as racist as white people. If you can't see that you are ignorant. Whether you want to admit it or not we are wired to be like that. People naturally are more inclined to accept people who are like them and reject people who are not. You can see a very basic form of racism in just about every animal on the planet. We might as well accept it, keep things professional and move on with our lives.

    January 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • pete

      I agree with you about the substance of your argument: People are racist whether we like it or not. But this sort of violent aggression must not be tolerated. I hope you have conscience to agree with that.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • jimmy Grahm

        I do agree. Always keep things professional, they are in the military. They should exemplify professionalism

        January 17, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • J

      Biologically, humans are animals; however I like to think that I am more than an average animal behaviorally. I'm self aware and capable of empathy. No excuse for a bully ever holds any water with me. I'm responsible for how I treat others just like you are and just like these soldiers are.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
  94. Psc330

    Face it; it's ok to be openly racist to Asians, even by other "minorities". Look at the 2 incidents at Papa John's and Chick fil a. Do you think it would have been ok to drop the N word in any of those cases? People would have freaked out and there would have been People like Jessie Jackson to deal with. Yet it is ok to be openly racist to asians. I've grown up on the States and have a southern accent but I'll have complete strangers (adults) give me their "rendition" of what they think an asian language is or some other ethnic remark. My brother's children participated in a local Halloween parade in Penn and there were comments from the locals to "Go back to China" directed at the kids. Look at the relocation of Asians in WW2; no German or Italians faced the same treatment. Don't believe me? Just wait for the comments that are sure to be placed on this story by people who are brave behind a computer screen.

    January 17, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • pete

      agree

      January 17, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • TL123

      Solid point and well articulated. I wonder, though, if the same ability of Asians to (often) not respond to bullying/tormenting/outcasting, and thrive academically in spite of it, is the same thing that allows them to continue be bullied. (And the same thing that, as you pointed out, makes it OK to be racist to Asians.) This is coming from a white dude, so I don't pretend to know the answer, but it's an interesting thought.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Well said

      January 17, 2012 at 9:01 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Justice

    Where are the "A Few Good Men"? Send in Tom Cruise and the group. The culprits should be prosecuted with Court Martial to the fullest extent.

    January 17, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
  96. Statius

    Your ratio on the fraction of suicides amongst Teens is hopelessly confounded. For the first part it may as well be that Asian parents tend to place a greater emphasis on academics, hence more pressure is placed on the teen causing more suicides amongst Asian teens.

    Pardon the cliche but "check your facts".

    January 17, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • AsianKid

      First of all, just because ASIAN PARENTS stress academics does not mean we kill ourselves. Second, it doesn't matter if you're white, yellow, black, etc. you're still human. And yes, I am offended by your remark about academics. Maybe YOU should check your facts. Asian kids, believe it or not, have fun. EVEN IF THEIR PARENTS ARE CRAZY ABOUT ACADEMICS. I am an Asian kid, my parents own a business, they stress academics, and I'M STILL NOT DEAD. So maybe, instead of bashing on Jeff Yang, maybe why don't you go study? Exactly.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Doodlebug

        I have to note that if you head to any type of online interaction between youths and there are asians, there IS a great deal of bullying going on in this virtual world where it is almost acceptable to call asians names, make fun of them and pretty much keep the sterotypes going. One place is online games and the majority ensure only those they feel fit in – will fit in.

        January 17, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • dave

        So... Why do you asian kill themselves more than others? Are they just weaker?

        January 17, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • BigDogs81's

        Look guys I served in the Marine Corps for 8 years and if the question everyone is asking is do Asians get picked on in the U.S. military the answer would be YES! With that said everyone is picked on. I'm of mixed race (African, Native American Indian ect) and my first roommate in Cuba was a white male from Georgia who had the confederate flag hanging in the room. Whites pick on other whites, whites pick on blacks, people of Latin decent pick on everyone and everyone picks on them, Asians and Blacks seem to get along but than it seems Asians prefer to be around other Asians or whites. Its life in the military, its living, fighting, partying, laughing, crying, and working our butts off 24hrs a day for the majority of the year for several years and sometimes we would go on leave together so its like being brothers with a bunch of guys that don't look like you.

        The bottom line is any type of racism or bullying is wrong but in the military or at least the military I know as an infantry Marine being picked on was a right of passage. If you can't handle some idiot calling you names or making fun of you I highly doubt your going to be able to keep your cool when things get real in the field. I know many strong minded Asians that got picked on and would fight right back and than everyone would be cool or you take a guy to the tree line and knock his block off I bet he wouldn't pick on you anymore. Thats a watered down version of life in the Marine Corps and if thats not something you can handle than the military and jail are not for you because if you look funny, sound strange, have a weird or funny name someone is going to tease you and it aint going to stop until you speak up about it and than it still might continue..

        January 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
  97. bw

    Pearl Harbor: greatest example of racism ever - we won, move on.

    January 17, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • bbh

      You're an idiot so that doesn't deserve any response, but what does that have to do with the apparent racism in this story?

      January 17, 2012 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • bw

        yet you replied - ah ha ha - trolling successful toniight my friend

        January 17, 2012 at 6:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Uh, BW no I think that 9/11 would be the greatest feat of racism. Or payback. Whichever you prefer. We lost! Idiot!

      January 17, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
  98. Jack

    In most cse Asian are smarter than them, maybe that is why ?

    January 17, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
  99. mbjrp36

    Racism: american tradition as strong as ever "Americans are the greatest people on earth", racism in the veil of patriotism.

    January 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Flipper

      So a patriotic person is a racist person? That may be the dumbest, most spiteful thing I've heard in a while.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
  100. mbjrp36

    we never deal with racist beliefs we just redirect them, ie: Ameicans are the greatest people on earth- racism in the veil of patriotism.

    January 17, 2012 at 6:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • truth

      nothing to do with the story

      January 17, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
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