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January 22nd, 2012
05:00 AM ET

The dismantling of Mexican-American studies in Tucson schools

Update: Congressional Hispanic Caucus want an investigation into Tucson's ethnic studies ban

By Stephanie Siek, CNN

(CNN) -  Nearly two weeks since Tucson, Arizona's, Mexican-American studies classes were suspended, some books have been removed from classes, teachers are uncertain about what curriculum to use and some students said they'd like to give district and state school administrators some homework: Listen to the students affected by the decision.

"I just want to talk to them," said Nicolas Dominguez, a senior at Tucson Magnet High School, where administrators removed several seminal Mexican-American studies texts last week. "I want to talk to them about all of this, and I want to get to know them, because you have to get to know people before you can change them. I think it’s essential to become friends with the state superintendent and work together."

The Governing Board of the Tucson Unified School District voted January 10 to suspended its Mexican-American studies program after an administrative law judge ruled it violated a new state law and the state said the local district was going to lose $15 million in annual aid. In a district where 60% of the 53,000 students are Latino, some said they felt like Chicano or Mexican-American perspectives on history have become unacceptable.

This week, seven textbooks associated with the Mexican-American studies program were removed from classrooms, provoking claims of censorship. District leaders said they aren't banning the books, but have removed them from classrooms while their content is evaluated.

The district’s Governing Board President, Mark Stegeman, said that copies of some of the books were still available in school libraries. But a search of the Tucson district’s school library online catalog, only a handful of copies of each book were available in any of the 11 high school libraries searchable online.

"I feel really disheartened," said Maria Therese Mejia, a senior at Tucson Magnet High School. "Those are our history, you know? It's ridiculous for them to be taking away our education. They’re taking (the books) to storage where no one can use them."

Opponents of the book removals say district leaders cut off access to books that give an account of American history from the perspective of Latinos and indigenous people who lived in the Southwest long before Arizona was a state. The books were removed from classrooms on Friday, in at least one instance during class as students looked on.

The Tucson Unified School District issued a statement late Tuesday calling reports of book banning "completely false and misleading."

Contrary to earlier reports which indicated that dozens of books listed as class materials had been taken away, the statement said only seven titles were affected:

"Critical Race Theory," by Richard Delgado
"500 Years of Chicano History in Pictures," edited by Elizabeth Martinez
"Message to AZTLAN," by Rodolfo Corky Gonzales
"Chicano! The History of the Mexican Civil Rights Movement," by Arturo Rosales
"OccupiedAmerica: A History of Chicanos," by Rodolfo Acuna
"Pedagogy of the Oppressed," by Paulo Freire
"Rethinking Columbus: The Next 500 Years," edited by Bill Bigelow and Bob Peterson

"Each book has been boxed and stored as part of the process of suspending the classes," the statement read. "The books listed above were cited in the ruling that found the classes out of compliance with state law."

Arizona State Superintendent John Huppenthal ordered on January 6 that about 10% of the district's state funding, about $15 million over the course of a year, be withheld, retroactive to August 15, 2011, if it did not dismantle its Mexican-American studies courses.

That order followed a December administrative law ruling that the program was teaching "in a biased, political and emotionally charged manner," and upheld a state finding that it violated a 2010 law that bans ethnic studies classes which "promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, promote resentment toward a race or class of people, are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group or advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals." In Tucson, only  Mexican-American studies classes were affected.

An education company's independent audit of Tucson’s Mexican-American studies program done concluded in May that none of the courses were in violation of that law, that they benefited students and contributed to a climate of acceptance in the schools. The audit suggested a review of two books for curriculum and age-appropriateness: "Message to AZTLAN," a book of speeches and other writings by Chicano civil rights activist Rodolfo "Corky" Gonzales, and "500 Years or Chicano History in Pictures."

"I think in most cases these books never went through a proper review process in the beginning, and they are now being removed, not in a specific review process but in that the state has decided these courses not be taught," Stegeman said.

Stegeman said it's possible some books could be reapproved for the classroom after a review. He said the review might take place before the summer break.

But in the meantime, the district's decisions suspended classes called Latino literature, American history/Mexican-American perspectives, Chicano art and an American government/social justice education project course. With the curriculum dismissed and books removed, teachers say they haven't received clear guidance on how to proceed with teaching their classes for the rest of the school year. They’ve been told that the district will issue a new curriculum that includes "a balanced presentation of diverse viewpoints on controversial issues," but it hasn't come yet. Teachers said their old curriculum already complied with those standards.

Curtis Acosta, a Tucson High teacher who has been with the district for 17 years, half of them as a teacher of Latino and Chicano literature, said he’s frustrated to be without a plan to move forward.

"Now we’re told we can talk about race, but it has to be through a multicultural perspective. And if you looked at our (old) curriculum, it was from a multicultural perspective," said Acosta, who said he used the writing of Sherman Alexie, Martin Luther King Jr., William Shakespeare, Ronald Takaki and Jonathan Kozol in his classes.

"I’m not confident one bit to move forward with any writer that has that social justice streak in them," Acosta said. "I have already built something that’s multicultural, centered around empowerment of youth and liberates them to make decisions critically and find their own academic integrity."

Students said they're learning a hard but practical lesson about politics.

"For me, what I've learned through all this is that students and youth have a lot of voices that we don’t get to express," Mejia said. "We’re the ones who will be changed by this situation. We will be the ones who speak out and do marches, and we will be the ones making the future. And no matter what, we have the power to stand up for what we believe."

Students have already staged several marches and a class walkout since the state law was passed in 2010, and another walkout is planned for January 24; students said they will attend a teach-in about Chicano history by University of Arizona professors.

A group of students and teachers, including Dominguez and Acosta, have filed a suit in federal district court to overturn the state law barring ethnic studies.

Outside organizations might get involved, too.

Barbara Jones, director of the American Library Association's Office of Intellectual Freedom, said the removal of the books was a big topic of discussion at the association’s 2012 midwinter meeting, which began last Thursday in Dallas. Groups including REFORMA, the Latino librarians' group, the American Indian Librarians' Association and the Intellectual Freedom Committee planned to respond and a coalition of civil liberties groups were researching possible legal action and expecting to release a statement this week, Jones said.

Regardless of the words the district used, Jones said, it's actions restricted access to books, which leads to censorship.

"We're gathering facts. Right now it looks like it's just the curriculum that’s affected and not school libraries," Jones said. "But we know from experience this will eventually affect books in the library."

Jones said there have been similar moves in Texas and other states to censor materials reflecting ethnic points of view. Such actions rob students of opportunities to form their own opinions, Jones said.

"If (school officials are) listening to their communities, they should understand that to take ethnic diversity out of curriculum in the 21st century is damaging and hateful," Jones said. “It stifles the conversations we desperately need to have in this country about inclusion, about preparing all people in this country to go in the workforce, to go to college, to be successful in life. And to ban discussion about these types of issues is very damaging to our country and our democracy."

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  1. Dan

    High schools should be about preparing students for college and the real world. Few, if any, of the students are going to be asked in a future job interview questions regarding racial history. American history should be updated to reflect other cultures and students can read on their own or take university courses on the specific histories of each group. High school should be about preparing students for engineering, business, medical, and legal jobs where students can have a real future. I doubt it's taught in any of these courses, but Asians earn more than Whites in the U.S. despite previous racial discrimination. There's not any reason Hispanics can't succeed at the same level and there are many very successful Hispanic business people, doctors, and lawyers. Multiculturalism/cultural marxism is based on that minorities can't win in a White majority society, but Asians are an inconvenient truth and are often ignored by liberal studies and affirmative action in California universities would hurt Asians the most. Also, traditional marxism based on class is almost ignored by liberals. Few university studies use class, but focus on race.

    January 23, 2012 at 4:25 am | Report abuse |
    • 3rdEyeOpened

      Well, then how about we get rid of history all together then, huh? If people aren't allowed to learn about their own heritage in school, then History as a whole should be banned.

      January 23, 2012 at 8:41 am | Report abuse |
  2. Seth

    "perspective of Latinos and indigenous people" How can you teach latino's what their own perspective is? Since 60% of the school system is hispanic, and 40% "other". Why not teach the perspective views from Irish, German, chinese, korean, english and scottish heritage. Oh wait, everyone will that is already taught in "History Class". False. If your going to cater to one race then you need to make sure you have equal classes on OTHER views. We can't keep pushin hispanic and black history over all the other history just cause their minorties and their trying to brain wash all the other kids to feel sorry for them and how history has been unfair to them. Now since i decried classes strictly on HISPANIC "views". Please someone call me a racist already.

    January 23, 2012 at 3:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Hector Maquieira

      Corky Gonzales was born in Denver. His perspective of history is as American as George Washington's.

      January 23, 2012 at 3:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      You are a racist.

      January 23, 2012 at 8:40 am | Report abuse |
      • Kelly

        Oh wow, that was an intelligent comment. If you disagree with what he said, post your view so we can all compare..

        February 4, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • THE GHOST OF CESAR CHAVEZ

      SETH You asked for it. Seth, you my man, are a racist. Now let me tell you why. Your condecending comment about how Mexican-Americans and African-Americans want to teach white Americans to feel sorry for us, blah, blah, blah. You sound just like KELLY, the other bigot posting below. Own up to the crimes of the white majority and grow up to be different than your grandfather and your father. Treat minorities with respect so that when we become the majority, we don't have to deport you or deny your kids classes on Caucasian-American studies.

      February 6, 2012 at 12:04 am | Report abuse |
  3. Jesse

    What happened to the Republicans wanting less government....isn't this the complete and total opposite....but then again they always live in a confused state of mind?

    January 23, 2012 at 2:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      Republicans only want 'smaller government' when it affects old fat white rich men. If the affected peoples are young, poor, brown, female, or God forbid OPINIONATED, then they are all for government estrictions.

      January 23, 2012 at 8:43 am | Report abuse |
  4. MLatino

    This is all an example of hate breeding hate. I first came on here and it was all white people talking bad about Mexicans, then the Mexicans respond and now it's one huge mess.

    "Darkness cannot drive out darkness;
    only light can do that.
    Hate cannot drive out hate;
    only love can do that.
    Hate multiplies hate,
    violence multiplies violence,"

    For those who feel Mexicans should go back to Mexico, I tell you this a land of immigrants, we all come together to make this land better. This is the greatest nation on Earth, the ONLY nation not born of Nationalism, but of an idea. The idea that people can be free. People from all around have came here, since the 1500's. Natives were here first, and since then they have had their land stolen and pushed aside, African Americans came in shame and in chains. Mexicans had half their nation taken from them, all for the greatest nation on Earth to expand and grow.

    The United States was founded by people, and therefore it was flawed. This caused our history to be tainted, and our mistakes MUST be taught so that future generations will not repeat them.

    January 23, 2012 at 2:04 am | Report abuse |
    • MLatino

      Te quote was from Martin Luther King

      January 23, 2012 at 2:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Will

      The only real issue is not that all Mexicans should go back. Its that all Illegal Mexicans who instead of trying to be American are refusing to change and to adapt to be American. This Country is made up of Immigrants, all who came here for a better life. They didnt keep their language and require everyone else to learn it, They learned the language, got jobs and became members of America. They stopped celebrating most of their traditional holidays and instead celebrated American Holidays. Yes some kept their culture close to their heart. But they Became American.

      Todays Illegal Immigrants, do not want to be American. They want America to pay for their babies, give them money and they send it home. They dotn learn the language and actually fight to have Americans learn their language. They are not Americans and should not be treated as such. They should be kicked out forcebly and have every possesion taken from them like the criminals they are. If they really cared for this country they would be fighting hard to learn the language and to take the test to become a citizen like the millions before them did. But they are not, and those are the ones that need to be ejected out. This school was perpetuating the fact that these Kids are refusing to learn what it means to be an American. I think this dopesnt fo far enough. They need to track down these kids families and if illegal remvoe them immediatly. The kids have dual citienzenship, they can come back when older or when parents do it the right way.

      January 23, 2012 at 2:23 am | Report abuse |
      • MLatino

        If you truly believe this, and that this is the root of the problem, then you are truly misinformed. You can find anti-Mexican stories dating back before 1965. (To mention why 1965, it's because in 1965 the number of Mexican immigrants was allowed to increase. Before that the US made sure the Mexican population was at a certain level) You can look at the Zoot Suit Riots were US service men went into Mexican communities and started fights. You can look at the Mexican Repatriation act, in which the US government gathered many Mexicans and departed them to Mexico, INCLUDING legal born citizens of the US.

        The problems of the Mexican and White communities has been a problem since the Treaty of Guadalupe. It is time to stop with the hate, stop with the lazy argument about Illegal Immigrants, because since this nations founding, we have been a nation of immigrants who hate immigrants. Go figure. It's time to work together to live together, not tear each other apart, gain an open mind and learn to share this land.

        January 23, 2012 at 2:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Jesse

        How many true "American" holidays are there? Other than the 4th of July and Thanksgiving all the others are either religious(Good Friday, Easter, Christmas) or are celebrated worldwide(New Years). If anything we should stop celebrating the religious holidays as un-American, because if you've any knowledge of history one of the main reasons the Pilgrims fled England was to avoid religious prosecution, that is why the separation of Church and State is a big part of our government and is more "American" than those holidays. As far as the "Mexicans" celebrating their holidays I sincerely hope you're not referring to Cinco de Mayo, because that is actually more of an "American" holiday than most of the others as there is nothing done in Mexico to celebrate that particular day. It was simply created by corporate America to try and sell alcohol to anyone that would drink it. By the way I am an American that is extremely proud of my Mexican heritage, and I only celebrate "Cinco de Mayo" as an American who enjoys having a drink.

        January 23, 2012 at 2:53 am | Report abuse |
      • Dom

        Can you define for me what "American" is, that way I can conform, even though my ancestry has been here WAY longer that yours. Therein lies the problem, whites think their cutlure is American, and want the rest of us to take up their cultural norms. Sorry, bud, I speak three languages, including spanish in my grandparent home. I eat Native and South western food. and I drink whisky. i'm about as American as you can get, yet my ancestral history isn't taught in school.

        January 24, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
  5. agavemike

    Why is it everytime something is American it is tied to white people? Maybe they should change the class to ethnic American studies and talk about all of the different races that make up America including anglo races. The irish were way more persecuted than any colored race. The biggest problem with racial prejudice in the US is that individual races identify themselves with either Mexican, Afro, Asian, Irish, Indian or Arab than Armerican.

    January 23, 2012 at 1:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Jaisne

      "the Irish was persecutes way more than any coloured race"? really? delusional, much?

      January 23, 2012 at 2:26 am | Report abuse |
    • JockieT

      That retarded governor needs to go. I can't believe such law still exists at present generation.

      January 23, 2012 at 2:34 am | Report abuse |
  6. Nate

    02:27 "more prouder"

    Nicely put teacher.

    January 23, 2012 at 1:49 am | Report abuse |
  7. b4bigbang

    To all liberal lunatic fringers: read the words of a true American who is also of Latino heritage:

    USA

    In the late 70's in New Mexico they started teaching Chicano studies, I was told that I was Mexican/Chicano It really up set me because where I came from the Chicanos sold drugs and the Mexicans lived in Mexico. I am American I insisted! There was a time when so called Chicanos and Mexicans would clash at the border crossing in El Paso, people need to understand that those who come from Mexico have no loyalty to our country they want to make the USA MEXICO we fought fair and square deal with it! Man Up and go fight for Mexico they need you. Sorry about the grammer and spelling I would rather be a school drop out than MEXICAN!

    January 23, 2012 at 1:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Rohit

      Therein lies the problem. You're a high school dropout and think Liberals are lunatics. At least most of them are halfway intelligent.

      January 23, 2012 at 2:51 am | Report abuse |
  8. Phil

    I'm sure everyone on both sides will hate me on this but here goes anyway: Maybe the school board and state government should stop wasting time on whether or not these classes should exist and should shift their focus to improving their students' performance on science and math classes. We as a country are falling dreadfully behind in those areas, and I often notice that the international students taking college science and math classes are much more prepared than Americans are. That's true of everyone, whether they are Latinos, African-American, or White. If kids want to take these classes that's their choice, but in my opinion students would be better served by trying to take Calc I or an advanced chemistry class. I'm not saying your ethnic heritage has no value, but these classes aren't going to do as much for you in the long-run. I welcome your comments, positive or negative.

    January 23, 2012 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
  9. Paul

    Perry is from Texas .. no wonder he is quite stupid, we all know that now.
    Bigotry in America in 2012 thrives high and proud .. thank you Texans .. your are very smart, the future is in the end of bigots who think censure wills ave their declining culture.
    The reality is, like in nature, when a dying creatures is close to go extinct, it tries to give all it has, give often the false hope she might get up and have a future, while instead it will only accelerate its demise.
    So is banning book about Mexican-American history, the last pathetic throw a fading and by now irrelevant white culture that is trying to maintain a grip over its world, it's in reality nothing else than the last breath before dying.

    January 23, 2012 at 1:22 am | Report abuse |
    • banana

      And what on earth is "White Culture" exactly?

      January 23, 2012 at 2:21 am | Report abuse |
  10. Cheesekun

    The white students in segregated southern schools would also have liked the opportunity to plead their case with those who knew it was wrong.

    January 23, 2012 at 1:08 am | Report abuse |
    • b4bigbang

      Your attempt at analogy is as apples/oranges fallacious as it is morally offensive.

      January 23, 2012 at 1:20 am | Report abuse |
  11. Janet

    Without Mexico, there wouldn't be an Arizona. Without Mexican-American studies(Chicano, Hispanic and its associates)no one would know about the culture. We did contribute more than any of the bucketheads from across the Atlantic Ocean! Ever been to an English restraunt? Maybe in Massachusetts but not out West! The National Hockey League has space in its field for Hispanics/Chicanos/Mexican-Americans in its clubs: Bill Guerin, his dad is Irish and his mom is Nicaraguean. And he was born in Massachusetts. Scott Gomez, his dad is Mexican-American and his mom is Colombian-American. Sure he hasn't scored a goal this season and rittled with injuries, but he won 2 Stanley Cups with the New Jersey Devils. Raffi Torres, his dad is Mexican from Mexico City, Mx. and his mom is Italian/Greek lineage and born and raised in Lima, Peru. Torres was born in Ontario, Canada, but still: Hispanic.

    Get over it, folks. We all have a story of orgin from somewhere. When my dad was growing up in Albuquerque, NM, people looked at him sideways–as they did with other Mexican kids. He did well for himself later in life and never returned to New Mexico. I'm glad for that!

    January 23, 2012 at 1:05 am | Report abuse |
  12. Willl

    If you consider yourself to be anything but American, be it Mexican, African, Asian, or European, get out! NOW. I don't care if you are white, black brown, red, green or orange. You are either an American or you aren't. BTW, go ahead and live however you want i don't care, "culture" is a meaningless academic term, jut live however you live, but AS AN AMERICAN.

    January 23, 2012 at 12:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Ms. Stewart

      There are many ways to be an American. It is ignorant to devalue experiences that are different than your own.

      January 23, 2012 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
  13. ECON 101

    I think we are missing a crucial point here. The cardboard box industry Tucson is probably making a killing. Also, the textbook companies now have some more customers. Case and point: more jobs. Sure, the kids aren't learning their history, but the trade off is helping lower the unemployment rate. You generation x'ers have spent the last 15 years sacrificing your children's future for your own well being. Why change now?

    January 23, 2012 at 12:44 am | Report abuse |
  14. Lee

    So if the books "are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group " they must not be taught. That's really interesting because now I assume they have to remove all English Literature books and classes because they certainly are made for a particular ethnic group, namely whites.

    January 23, 2012 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
  15. Rod C. Venger

    If this school program has been teaching its kids to take their ball and go home (march) every time they're upset, then the program was rightly cut.

    January 23, 2012 at 12:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      Tell that to the Tea Party!

      January 23, 2012 at 8:53 am | Report abuse |
  16. Ed

    To those of you who are talking about the school "banning books" or "censoring"? Do you even know what "banning books" means? In some countries government authorities confiscate and destroy certain books. That's "banning books." In fact, there have been times in history in some countries (perhaps even now?) when you could be imprisoned or even killed for having certain books in your possession. That's "banning books." Arizona has simply decided not to have taxpayers buy certain books for students and teach from them. To equate that with "banning books" is to either be ignorant of the facts or to be intentionally deceptive to make a political point.

    January 23, 2012 at 12:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Lee

      Actually Ed you're simply making excuses. These books were already bought and paid for. They were confiscated from classrooms, in at least one instance when the children were actually using the book!. You say that's not banning? Of course, it is, the only thing missing is the burning. Perhaps the school couldn't get a fire permit for that. The more I read about Arizona and it's racist policies the more I hope people boycott going there. Oh, I wonder if they've banned English Literature too. If they haven't they're going to have a hard time showing that this whole shameful enterprise isn't based on racism. But that's Arizona.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:39 am | Report abuse |
      • b4bigbang

        The only thing that qualifies as being as crazy as Arizona rednecks is the liberal lunatic fringe that rails against them.
        They're both bookends in the same looney bin bookcase IMHO.

        January 23, 2012 at 12:45 am | Report abuse |
      • ECON 101

        IF THEY BAN ENGLISH LITERATURE, THEN WHAT LANGUAGE WILL PEOPLE USE TO COMMUNICATE?????????? OCCUPY ARIZONA, CHANGE THE WORLD! LETS MAKE OBAMA KING OF AMERICA

        January 23, 2012 at 12:54 am | Report abuse |
    • b4bigbang

      Careful Ed, posting common sense could get you trolled in these troubled waters.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      It's amazing how those doing the banning always use the 'but those guys were way worse about it' excuse.

      January 23, 2012 at 8:55 am | Report abuse |
  17. Melvin H.

    Let me see here, some of the posts keep talking about "northern European" history? Okay:
    –Mexico, and most of Central and South America, originally was colonized/conquered by Spain;
    –Brazil was colonized by Portugal;
    –Christopher Columbus nominally sailed for Spain but he came from modern-day Italy;
    –England and France colonized/conquered most of continental North America.
    –Holland had a number of colonies (New Amsterdam, Dutch Guyana, & a number of Caribbean islands) as well.

    None of these are "northern Europe"; Portugal, Spain, and (modern-day) Italy are...SOUTHERN Europe,
    and I am not sure one could call Holland, England and France "northern"; if you do, what are the Scandanavian countries and Russia?

    Seems to me the way history should be taught, is that there should be a "common" history taught up through roughly the ninth or tenth grade, then starting about the same time there should be courses on Mexican, Canadian, Caribbean histories, and world history as much as possible. (Practically, there is no way you can get everything on history done in high school, but once you get to high school there should be courses offered much like in college on different parts of history.)

    I agree the textbooks should have been taken out, but at the END of the school year AND reviewed over the summer. I also would question the threat of taking the funding back, retroactive to the start of the school year, as possibly a violation of ex post facto law, if that taking is not in the law in question–or even if it is.

    January 23, 2012 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      Yup, looks like the state superintendent had to put politics above common sense, but judging by the posts here, It probably means he will keep his job.
      The sad part is the same people will complain about politicians doing things that make absolutely no sense, but will be the first in line to give their self serving politicians their jobs back.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:44 am | Report abuse |
  18. mbjrp36

    America- where being a syncopant is a virtue.

    January 23, 2012 at 12:16 am | Report abuse |
  19. Sheila

    Does 'Mexican-American Studies' address the influence Spain had on 'Latin America'? Spain is also a European country, you know.

    January 23, 2012 at 12:06 am | Report abuse |
  20. John Gallagher-González

    Everyone who is a racist say Aye!

    January 22, 2012 at 11:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wade Greenlee

      From what I've read of your posts, you'll need to be first!

      January 22, 2012 at 11:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • b4bigbang

        Amen to that!

        January 23, 2012 at 12:57 am | Report abuse |
  21. gordyc

    This is a sad sate of affairs when we allow a state to systematically restrict the learning of our culture. Yes OUR culture a culture of immigrants from all over the world. I lived in Tucson and taught there the southwest culture would not exist if not for the indigenous people of the area. The USA was theirs a long time before we raped the land and set up our system of society. I hope that and I know that some teachers will continue to teach real HISTORY with or without texts. Nothing can stop the verbal history of generations.

    January 22, 2012 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • concerned

      All throughout history "nations" have conquered and occupied other nations. American Indian "nations" conquered and enslaved other Indian Nations all the time. Research it. The Aztecs and Mayans conquered and enslaved other civilizations all the time too. What about the ancient Middle Eastern civilizations? Same story. Look it up. Why victimize European settlers? African nations (tribes) conquered and enslaved other tribes all throughout history. Fact- there were very few "Mexicans" living in what is now the southwest United States before the Gadsen purchase. Less than one half of one percent of Mexico's population lived in the southwest before the Gaden purchase. In fact, when Texas was part of Mexico, the Mexcan government actually encouraged white settlers from the young nation of the United States to settle there. Why? Because the area was virtually void of citizens and Mexico needed some "citizens" living lthere even if they were white. Big mistake on their part, because once the "white" citizens moved there they discovered they couldn't live under the corrupt rules of the Mexican government. Much like Mexican-Americans today. They left Mexico because they did not like living there under the corrupt government. Why would they come here and teach that the US is bad? Ridiculous beyond belief.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:15 am | Report abuse |
      • b4bigbang

        Careful concerned, more common sense (ie, truth) leaking out from your post. You'll incur the wrath of the LLF (liberal lunatic fringe).

        January 23, 2012 at 1:02 am | Report abuse |
      • Kelly

        Concerned, sounds like you trying to use logic on what is an emotional issue for most. But good try..

        February 5, 2012 at 2:09 am | Report abuse |
      • THE GHOST OF CESAR CHAVEZ

        WARNING TO READERS Bigots at work trying to justify to each other why they are right about denying that racism against minorities exists in America. Their posts include the usual put downs of Mexico and the usual if you don't love it then why are you here non-sense. My question to you? When are you leaving so we can all go cheer the bigot-boat leave the dock?

        February 6, 2012 at 12:09 am | Report abuse |
  22. Matt NJ

    ONLY WHITE, CHRISTIAN EUROPEANS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE IN USA!!!!

    January 22, 2012 at 11:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      I second that!!!!!!!!!To bad they felt it necessary to bring Africans over and enslave them though. They could have had this land all to themselves!!!!..........wait a minute,............oh, right them pesky Indians. Gotta shove them off their land to a nice "rez". Happening places those "rezs". White folks of yesteryear sure wanted to be rich back in the day. Just didn't want to work for it though!!!!!HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!! Telling people to go is only ok when you imaging it will cost you something. When it's profitable to have em around they are tolerated (barely!( Oh, and as a person of color, I don't think a class would be the time I found out that I was being held at the bottom of the totem pole with a boot on my neck. I kind of got that message already. Thanks to all the racists I've didn't manage to let that message slip by.

      January 22, 2012 at 11:26 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Joey

    Growing up I was required to "Western Civilization". Another name that you could call is "Europe-American studies". Why, so we could learn about our heritage and where we come from. I don't really see the difference between that and teaching "Mexican-American studies" in an area where there is a huge hispanic population. I can't believe how closed minded people are.

    January 22, 2012 at 11:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • USA

      In the late 70's in New Mexico they started teaching Chicano studies, I was told that I was Mexican/Chicano It really up set me because where I came from the Chicanos sold drugs and the Mexicans lived in Mexico. I am American I insisted! There was a time when so called Chicanos and Mexicans would clash at the border crossing in El Paso, people need to understand that those who come from Mexico have no loyalty to our country they want to make the USA MEXICO we fought fair and square deal with it! Man Up and go fight for Mexico they need you. Sorry about the grammer and spelling I would rather be a school drop out than MEXICAN!

      January 22, 2012 at 11:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Coldwar153

      OK – Mexican culture is a unique mix of European and indigenous culture – mostly European via Spain. Chicano culture is a perspective of those with possibly Mexican roots challenging a racist situation in the US decades ago. Recent immigrants have nothing in common with the Chicano movement. I am Mexican born. I am an American citizen loyal and proud to be an American. My children are Americans. Not Mexican-American. Not Chicano. They would not benefit at all from Chicano studies as the Chicano movement has nothing in common with our background or heritage. Do my kids speak Spanish – well, to some degree. Do they celebrate Día de Reyes, only when we remember. Do they celebrate Saint Patrick's Day – sure. Cinco de Mayo – No, as it is an American exaggeration of a not too important Mexican holiday. The important thing is that we are American. Period. We value freedom, rewards for hard work, personal initiative. That's what matters.

      January 23, 2012 at 1:12 am | Report abuse |
  24. dan

    want to learn mexican history? jump back over the border.

    January 22, 2012 at 11:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • GwT

      Want to learn about your European roots and history? Swim across the Atlantic back to Europe.

      See how that works?

      January 22, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sheila

        Not really, as the United States Government and the United States as it exists today was founded by Europeans. Sure, they did some horrible things, Spain, France, and England were power hungry imperialistic nations back then; colonizing all over the world. More about Native American culture should be incorporated into US history class, but to omit the information about our founding fathers would be to omit the bare roots of our government and our country.

        January 23, 2012 at 12:12 am | Report abuse |
      • Willl

        okay, thankfully i'm an American and neither a European nor Mexican.

        January 23, 2012 at 12:46 am | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Want to learn about American history? Jump across the border as well and you'll learn of not so friendly interventions in Mexican politics that you've never heard of. Doubt you've studied much of anything though nor will you in the future. You just made the case for why teaching history is so important.

      January 22, 2012 at 11:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • mike

        Mexico is as much a product of Europe as the US is, you goof...you're as European as any white person you claim to be different from.

        January 22, 2012 at 11:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Willl

        What about the friendly ones today? You're welcome for all the aid we give you.

        January 23, 2012 at 12:48 am | Report abuse |
      • THE GHOST OF CESAR CHAVEZ

        Will's right about that one. Bill Clinton and Democrats, thanks for the help back in the 90s. Republicans, you owe me millions in unpaid hours, you benefit from my cheap labor and then you want to deport me? What kind of non-sense is that? OH, I forgot, you expected me to become a modern day slave, ask for nothing in return for my back-breaking work, and die if I happened to get sick because you don't want me in your hospitals. And my kids, you expect me to eat them rather than send them to school to learn next to your kids. WHITE-RACIST-RADICALS are so afraid of minorities.

        February 6, 2012 at 12:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      You White Angolo's need to pack up and get back to Europe... This land was MY ancestors...

      January 23, 2012 at 12:41 am | Report abuse |
      • b4bigbang

        And yet your name is (Viking) Eric.
        Change your name to Geronimo (or at least Ignatio) or else prepare to eventually self-loath....

        January 23, 2012 at 1:09 am | Report abuse |
  25. jason

    These books do nothing but try to advocate chicanos to take back "their land". This is not mexico, its United States.

    January 22, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      I take if you've read them all cover to cover. You strike me as the kind of person who doesn't do much scholarly reading at all.

      January 22, 2012 at 11:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Jason, learn baby learn.

      January 22, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • concerned

      "Their land" – this is the biggest Latino myth out there. The southwest was almost completely devoid of population before the Gadsen purchase. Fact – less than one half of one percent of Mexico's population lived in what is now the southwest United States before the Gadsen purchase. That is an abolute fact. Why do you think the Mexican government encouraged "white" settlers from the United States to settle Texas before it was it's own separate country or state? Yes, that's right the Mexican government encouraged white settlement of Texas. It's because there were virtually no Mexican citizens living there and they needed a citizentry even if it was white. American Mexicans would like everyone to believe the United States took possesion on Mexicans with the Gadsen purchase. Absolutely false. Why in the heck do you think the Mexicans gave up the Gadsen purchase so easily – because there were very very few Mexicans living there.

      January 22, 2012 at 11:39 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Jack

    If the books are about hispanic or mexican ameircan history as it relates to their contributions to the united states, it's future and how to make it better, then fine. But if they're teachings are antagonistic towards the america or it's people, then why should the state support that? it's too late to be discussing where the land came from or who was here first. Reality is reality, and they should pitch in, look for ways to make america better, more just, more free for all peoples. They should be helping poor hispanic kids stay out of trouble and pursue legal status and an education. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Arizona, but in this case I must.

    January 22, 2012 at 11:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dom

      Nice. well put Jack. But Please don't take their word for it. Some of those books actually do teach about my history in a non-radical tone. I haven't read all of the books on the list, but the few that I have are quiet good and completely non-confrontational.

      January 24, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Dudeman

    This is America you should learn to be Amercian in school, not Mexican.

    January 22, 2012 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • CMRenderos

      Well said brother. I know i was not born in this country but there is a reason I'm here...because where I was born sucks! and we need to realize that and appreciate that we have a chance for a new life here

      January 22, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Yo, dudeman, I'm so glad I took the course how to be an american in my elementary school. It truly prepared me. Who wants to be forced to listen to mariachi music at work anyway. It's gonna suck having be required to have twelve kids and make all of them salute the Mexican Flag during home room. Dudeman, we're waiting for you...I'm gonna Mexicanize your kids on you!!! HA HA HA!!! Sayanora American Culture!!!!!!!!!!

      January 22, 2012 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rich

      You should learn how to form a complete sentence with correct punctuation first. "American" schooling apparently did so much for you already.

      January 22, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • GwT

      You have no idea about the Hispanic contributions to American history and culture, do you? Here's a question: how come so much of the vocabulary of the "American Cowboy" is in Spanish? Even the etymology of the word "cowboy" comes from the Spanish "Vaquero". Who taught American cowboys the trade? Yep, Mexican Vaqueros. Why are so many cities in the West and Southwest, and even States like California, Colorado, Montana, Nevada, Texas and New Mexico have Spanish roots? Oh, that's right, Mexico has had NOTHING to do with the history of America. *roll eyes*

      January 22, 2012 at 11:30 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Dan

    Wow, people seem really closed minded, and it seems like a lot of people are ok with that.

    January 22, 2012 at 10:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      But, I guess this is Government at it's best. Telling people what they can and can't do. Just relax Government knows whats best for everyone. Heaven forbid you decide on what you want to learn. We better get this internet thing censored fast!! (sarcasm)

      January 22, 2012 at 10:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • CMRenderos

      I sat on a chicano studies class at East Los Angeles college and all I heard was how California belongs to Mexico and that we needed to take it back. How can we pay for a class that teach on incites to revolts against the government that we always depend on for aid

      January 22, 2012 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        What a great idea! Take California Back!!!!!!YYYYAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!! Thanks for the vote of confidence.

        January 22, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      not me dan, I'm one of the three of four cats her who thinks that civilization just hit the iceberg.

      January 22, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Viet Vet

    If you were born here, you are U.S. citizens. Act like it! If you came here legally, learn how to be a U.S. citizen. By that I mean learn to read and write and speak english, get a job and pay your taxes, and stop trying to turn your community into the one you left behind! All of the immigrants who came here had to, and they benefitted from it. I agree that the black people had no choice in coming here, and had a WAY harder time in getting acceptance, but they have prevailed! If you are not here legally, get it corrected or face deportation.

    January 22, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • CMRenderos

      Amen, we need to stop being like some other races that think the government need to pay reparations so they dont want to work. Get off your asses and get to work , pay taxes and be usefull to society

      January 22, 2012 at 11:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Will you volunteer your time to teach ESL classes to immigrants?

      January 22, 2012 at 11:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Wade Greenlee

        Why should I? They don't offer Spanish as a Second Language for Americans in Mexico!

        January 22, 2012 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
  30. Calvin Hobbes

    We see a lot of Hispanic/Mexican racism on these comments from both sides. But it just isn't contained in these comments, extreme militant stances has been simmering for a long time in these schools and by elected people as well.

    January 22, 2012 at 10:46 pm | Report abuse |
  31. JB

    I will have to add one or two of these books to my summer reading list. Based on the descriptions of them, I am assuming that they tell a very skewed version of American history, but until I actually read them I will have to wait to make a judgement on whether they are appropriate educational fodder.

    January 22, 2012 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • tired ofbafoons

      History books for children in high school don't tell the truth about history. It's the whitewashed version. You can't have your land back, It belongs to America. You may live here peaceably IF you behave and make an effort to fit in. Right now we have a crisis that all chicanos can help with. We need to throw the Person who is usurping the office of president out of office. He is corrupt and needs to go. Please vote him out if you get to vote. You will be glad you did.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:05 am | Report abuse |
      • AZpatriot

        you sir, are a buffoon!

        January 23, 2012 at 3:21 am | Report abuse |
  32. Scott

    Everyone I know who has a good job today has one that involves traveling and/or dealing with people from all over the world. Unless you want to work at Walmart for the rest of your life, learn something about other cultures and how they do business. We have a global economy whether you old people over 50 like it or not. Who do you think is paying for your Social Security? And you call US leeches?

    January 22, 2012 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sheila

      This is about a History class, not a business or sociology class.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • sqeptiq

      You sound like a thoughtless ageist; please explain how that is qualitatively different from a racist.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • tired ofbafoons

      Screw that global economy crap. You write like a socialist or a communist. I hear enough of that crap from too many sleepwalkers. You just need a rude awakening. Wait until August,2012 See what happens in the eastern part of this country.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
      • THE GHOST OF CESAR CHAVEZ

        Oh boy, we got one of those "YOU ARE A COMMUNIST" types here. Look redneck, fighting for our civil rights doesn't make us communists, it makes us patriots and awake. And please don't start asking for us to see what's going to happen on 2012 in the East Coast, you sound like a terrorist. There, you see how I did that? You could have been talking about the elections, but I chose to label you with loaded word so that could dismiss you as the enemy. Come on buddy, you are the clown here, not us.

        February 6, 2012 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
  33. Sheila

    Would it be offensive if there was an 'Anglo-American Studies' class?

    January 22, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Your homework tonight!: Dissect one US History textbook. Your choice which one. Do a word count. Count how many times the name of a European country/person is named. Also count how many times a non-European country/person is named. Tally the numbers and compare them side to side. Who said math wasn't fun!

      January 22, 2012 at 10:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • sqeptiq

        Even better, make it a northern European name.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • mike

        It's almost as if...as if...as if northern Europe played the biggest part in our history!

        Why should equal frequency have anything to do with anything? History is about facts...

        I'm a liberal guy, but COME ON. Get real.

        January 22, 2012 at 11:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Truth

      Yes, but not to you or I.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • dwech

      There is, Sheila - it's called American History, and it's been taught from the white, Anglo-Saxon perspective for a hundred years. About time someone talked about the treatment of different cultures in our history - after all, we're supposed to learn something from it, not just recite the text.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • mike

        Most of early US history was driven by Europeans.

        GET OVER IT.

        January 22, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • JoBob

      There is, it's called "U.S. History".

      January 22, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tim from SD

      Uh, Ango-American studies is EXACTLY the ethnocentric view of history and culture this law requires.

      January 22, 2012 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sheila

      Could it be because the US government was founded by people with European roots?

      January 22, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • mike

        Exactly. We've reached the point where even historical accuracy is politically incorrect. This is the left wing's equivalent to the t-bagger idiots...

        January 22, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Sheila

    Why can't they incorporate all cultures into history class and teach it throughout school? They could call it 'World History'. Mexican-American studies could be an elective. Or is that how they were doing it already?

    January 22, 2012 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Hi Sheila, Yes you are right the do it already. What they don't do is do it well. I'd know I'm half Mexican and I certainly felt shorted in my tenth grade world history class. Three quarters of the chapters in a book that deal with European centered history isn't balanced. Try and prove me wrong on this. And especially, overlooked is how influenced Europe had been historically on the mathematical and scientific contributions to knowledge made by non-European cultures. But who needs soft subjects like history anyway! Look you just need math and science. Forget ethnic Studies!! Let's just teach the real subjects like science and math......wait a minute.......hmmm.....I mean the science and math taught to European cultures by non-European cultures!!!!!!

      January 22, 2012 at 10:46 pm | Report abuse |
  35. VinceRN

    What they should do, what all similar programs should do, (but won't) is look at each issue being studied form multiple points of view. History and social studies should be taught from multiple points of view, there should not be a specific class that excludes other points of view. That is indoctrination, not teaching.

    January 22, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • cleo

      I don't know.

      In my view, there is only one way to look at an issue like slavery or the holocaust. Although...I will grant you that Mexican-American studies is probably full of more nuanced content. I'm just positing that teaching 'both-sides' or 'multiple-sides' of something like the holocaust or slavery might make people think you are not very bright.

      I mean think about trying to support a position like...'well they needed to keep Aryan blood pure...and those evil Americans came over to stop them from keeping their blood pure.'

      That doesn't make a kid smarter, or help with critical thinking...it's just a gratuitous moral equivalency drawn to make other people feel comfy. School is not a place to feel comfy...it is a place to learn. A lot of what we have to teach these kids WILL make them feel uncomfortable... if they are human.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • tired ofbafoons

        In this politically correct world teachers aren't allowed to make a student feel uncomfortable. All students should receive a grade of "C" so all are treated equally. All students should be made to feel special and welcome. Teachers will tell you what to read and think. That way you don't have to bother having any thoughts of your own.

        January 23, 2012 at 12:21 am | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Indoctrination is believing their aren't ideologues waking up early every morning trying to steal your history from you in plain sight.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tim from SD

        Nicely put.

        January 22, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Report abuse |
  36. James

    The school system is responsible for what they teach. This is not Latin America. Nor is it Chicano America. This is America. The people were born here they are Americans. The curriculum needs to reflect what the school board sees as necessary. The school board is elected by the way. Somehow I don’t think they will be putting any copies of “Mine conf” in the class either.

    January 22, 2012 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      It's Mein Kampf, and yes I'd like to study it. Just because you study something doesn't mean you endorse it. I'd like to have learned what happened in the past. It's called history and you can't well learn it by hiding it. What you advocate is censorship and I'd challenge you to come up with one good thing that came out of that.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • CMRenderos

        Chicano studies wa nothing but pure indoctrination, anti American inflamatory BS

        January 22, 2012 at 11:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • sqeptiq

      Born here? Why only that? How many nobel prizes or Olympic medals have been won by "Americans" who were born elsewhere? Most of us were born Americans and take it for granted; those who chose to be Americans are different. How many natural born Americans could pass a basic test of citizenship required of immigrant citizens?

      January 22, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle

      First of all, AMERICA, is the whole continent, every single person born in the american continent is american, mexicans, canadians, chileans, brazilians. The united states of america is not america, is just another country of america. Second of all, it's called culture, you learn other cultures because.. hmm i don't know, maybe you want to have a wide knowledge of what is up in the world. If you don't well i feel very sorry for you and third, we all know where this comes from, arizona is racist, don't tell me otherwise, i live here, i was raised here and i know why they are doing this, the united states of america is racist (not all of us but most of us yes). Immigrants pay taxes, some of you should read more instead of believing fox news. Anything that portrays the people of the united states of america as the bad guys is BAD, the english were bad, the indians were bad, they didn't want to give us their land! the mexicans are bad, they are invading our country! they make less than minimum wage and take jobs most of us, intelligent and civil white people wouldn't take. The muslims are bad all of them!! Come on, stop fooling yourselves, some of you will call me anti american a judas, whatever but after serving my country for 4 years, i realized that i fought for nothing, i realized that i killed for nothing, that i was making a sacrifice so you could be free to take other people's freedom. Ignorance isn't bliss, it's just stupid.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:02 am | Report abuse |
  37. Mike

    I am just a white jew from Los Angeles, so my question is this. What are they teaching in that class? Is it to hate the white man because they took land from Mexico.or not There is no black history classes in high school or jewish history classes. I am just asking the question..

    January 22, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • me

      They teach Mexican kids to hate whites, and that Arizona belongs to Mexico. It's racially-charged nutso stuff. It'd be like a German American class that teaches Nazism.

      January 22, 2012 at 9:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ron

        that pretty well sums it up

        January 22, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Molls

        They most certainly do not teach Mexican-American kids to hate whites, though you may perceive it that way. They teach a history that is most often left out of American education, some of which includes the history of how white Americans acquired what was formerly Mexico in the southwest. They teach how Latino/a's were victimized by racism and how that past contributes to the ways they continue to be victimized by racism today. Teaching these subjects in schools is important partly because it sends the message that the Latino/a experience is important and legitimate, and it acknowledges the lasting effects of an ugly history that is so often demeaned when white people try to argue that it doesn't matter anymore because racism has ended. This approach especially makes sense in a part of the country that is predominantly Latino/a. Extensive interdisciplinary research shows this to be true. I'd start digging a little deeper on this matter by asking myself why I perceive ethnic studies to be racist.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Andrew

        That sounds like total, bigoted, racist bullsh@#.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • Andrew

        Your comment, I mean...

        January 22, 2012 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        So Molls do they go all the way back to when the Latino conquistadors destroyed the Aztecs and wiped out the Myan civilization or do they just tell the bueno parts of 'their' story?

        January 22, 2012 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • JustMe

        @Molls. Do they teach the spanish conquest and enslavement of the native americans in what is now the US southwest? Do they teach the evils of spanish culture relative to the native cultures? Do they teach the racism of the hispanics past and present? Do they discuss Don Juan Onate's decision to cut off one foot of all males of the Acoma tribe?

        In the overall clash of cultures and races, the hispanics/latinos from Spain (via Mexico) and Mexico have been just as bad as any other group.

        January 22, 2012 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • sqeptiq

        You can teach that the US stole Arizona (true) without claiming that it "belongs" to Mexico.
        "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' .

        January 22, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Lord forbid a Jewish History Class! The sky will fall! NOOOOO!!!!!! Definately, can't let the Jews know they didn't get a fair shake.

      January 22, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nah

        Except these courses don't seem to be teaching that "Jews" or "Mexicans" didn't get a fair shake, they seem to be predicated on the belief that the modern U.S. is "occupying" Mexico, etc.

        If it's true that the school programs aren't merely teaching facts, but are presenting them in a partisan light, why would you support them?

        If a white group, or Christian group, or any other group were pushing a partisan agenda, centered around a school curriculum, chances are you'd be one of the ones screaming loudest, wouldn't you?

        January 22, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Do we all really still believe that our history books are whole, complete, unbiased truths. Santa isn't real. Santa isn't real. Santa isn't real.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Some important questions:
        Who makes decisions that affect large numbers of people.
        Who is affected by those decisions?
        I do not feel the public school education I received taught me enough about the lives and struggles of the white ancestry as well as my Mexican ancestry. Most whites in this country are ignorant about how their own ancestors came to this country only to end up eating it. I feel that most whites in this country are subjugated and brainwashed via ignorance as much as other groups. It would do them good to read with a critical eye the writings of Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, Marshall Sahlins, David Graeber and Jim Hightower. Forget about what the latinos are trying to teach themselves and read about how your own ancestors groveled for survival. Read. Read. Read. The truth shall set you free. Viva banned books!!!!!!

        January 22, 2012 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Oh, and being a bi-ethnic Mexican (mother's side) and Irish (Father's side) I'm uniquely qualified to say I got shafted about learning about either complete history of my ancestry.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • JS

        You are right...Jews didnt a fair share...Just ask the Palestinians what they think about that...

        January 22, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kam

      Tucson resident here, they actually don't teach people to hate whites, the class is open to ANYONE regardless of race. They have a class like this because Mexican history IS American history. I mean we live in the freakin' southwest! This is purely a political move to oppress Mexican-American students. (Other ethnic studies classes are not affected. ) This is part of a larger fear of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans that is spread by older non-residents and retirees who have no idea of the history of this area.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nah

        kam: "They have a class like this because Mexican history IS American history. I mean we live in the freakin' southwest! This is purely a political move to oppress Mexican-American students."

        Sorry, but when the principal texts for a course are "Occupied America" and "Pedagogy of the Oppressed", your course stops looking like a "Mexican history" class and more like an Hispanic KKK rally.

        If you can show the texts aren't biased, racially partisan, etc. then go ahead.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • iupui

      black history is american history

      January 22, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Didn't you know blacks are foreigners? Yes that's right and I believe that I lot of whites with that mindset tried sending them back to Africa and other parts of the African Diaspora a long long time ago. By claiming that they were foreign they could dispossess them further. We all foreigners baby and as always that last one in tries to shut the door on every one else. Got news for ya'll. Doesn't work like that.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Martinez

      Hi all. I never chime in on these things but do read them with a fervor. Now Ill give my opinion if you will. First. Im latin. Puerto Rican American. But Im also caucasian and anglo saxon. So that makes me just straight American. Period. Second. My best friend is Mexican, and so is my stepdad. They both came here, turned their backs on their native land and have low opinions of that country. As do I since I have been there several times and it IS a backwater, corrupt, machismo, filthy, beautiful, exotic, ignorant, amazing country that has been that way for centuries. Third. This is America. My wife is Greek origin, and her parents are also immigrants. They also came and made their lives here after the civil war. And go back regularly. As do most immigrant descendents. Jew. White. African. Greek. Korean. We are all in this together, but this idiotic, immature and very unacademic multiculturalism does nothing but divide us rather than unite us. Arizona was indiginous before the "Mexican" or the "White man" so they really cant claim origin can they?
      Fourth. Why try and claim it? You already have your own screwed up country, and your efforts are grasping at straws. No teenage immigrant has the maturity or education to understand the intricacies of the vast sweeps of history that affect us all. So they should shut up, sit down and learn valuable academics, not empowerment studies. We are not a "impose your culture on us" country". You can try but to the victors go the spoils. Romans, Greeks, Pesians, Turks, Franks, Scanidinavians, Thais, Chinese, Kenyans, Australians etc know this through history. Time for the south of the border crowd learn the same. Finally, in my studies, we discussed that a countrys revolution starts from within. If they want to live and be Mexican, they have to start at home, not here. If they really REALLY cared about Mexico, they would stay there and improve it. But they dont. They come here, work hard, or freeload, commit crime, or become really valuable, contribute to American society, or abuse it etc. The choice and freedom to choose are here. Not there. So I side with one of our precious and beautiful states. Time to remove the baloney academics and focus on why they are here, not there. Kudos Mike. Sometimes it takes a strong person to express a right but not favored opinion. And these are a bunch of useless high schoolers anyway. Who need to grow up and formulate their education first to have a really educated opinion.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • THE GHOST OF CESAR CHAVEZ

        WOW Martinez please go change your name to token hispanic spokesperson for the minutemen. WOW, the load of poop you just unloaded. Yikes. I's still trying to get over the stench of your arrogance and ignorance. Wow. This is exactly why we need Mexican-American studies, and apparently, also Puerto-Rican-Ameican studies, because if we don't have them we end up with people like you and like your Mexican friends who have turned their backs on their heritage – bunch of DESCASTADOS. You sir, are officially no longer Latino. Please go turn in your Latino card at the nearest cultural center and start calling yourself a white racist radical, because that is what you are at heart. Sorry people, we lost one more paisano to the great white racist radical brainwash machine. One more of our kids who grew up confused and fell into the whole white is better than everyone else racist nonsense. If only someone, hisparents perhaps, had picked up a book and taught him some pride and self-esteem. Wow.

        February 6, 2012 at 12:36 am | Report abuse |
    • mike zaldivar

      Why does America keep sending money to Israel ? To fight a war that will never be won???

      January 22, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        It's to keep up the illusion that America is confronted by persistant threat on an unimaginable and imminent scale.

        January 22, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • dwech

      There are black history classes, and a month dedicated to black history, typically February. Haven't seen evidence of a Jewish history class at the high school level, but why the heck not? And if an area is predominantly Asian, why not that as well? Thinking critically about history and learning lessons from previous behavior - or how cultural differences influenced world events - is one of the benefits of studying history, so multiple perspectives only add to the complexity of one's one. Not a bad thing to have: some sensitivity and knowledge of other cultures...

      January 22, 2012 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Mike

    I am just a white jew from Los Angeles, so my question is this. What are they teaching in that class? Is it to hate the white man because they took land from Mexico.or not There is no black history classes in high school or jewish history classes. I am just asking the question.

    January 22, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Captain Obvious

      I'm pretty sure some schools have African American studies courses plus I know for a FACT these courses are available in public universities for credits. I'm a white atheist and have no problem with kids of other races learning about their heritage. Hell I'll go a step farther and say it's a positive thing.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • sqeptiq

        Bravo!

        January 22, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • THE GHOST OF CESAR CHAVEZ

        When I say "white racist radical republican bigot" I don't mean Captain Obvious. He gets it and I know that there are many white citizens out there who get it, too. It is not about hating on the white man, it is about defending ourselves from the politicians, the neo-nazis, and the minutemen. So the US won the war and took half of Mexico. So now white radicals have a lot of Hispanics to deal with. White radicals ask us to deal with history, I guess now they have to learn that history comes with consequences. Captain Obvious doesn't sound like a white radical. I hope my kids come across more people like him in the future, and across less people like Arpaio or Brewer or Hate.

        February 6, 2012 at 12:43 am | Report abuse |
  39. me

    These classes taught racial hatred. They're about as valid and educational as a neo-nazi class would be.

    January 22, 2012 at 9:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff S

      We shouldn't hide from hatred...we should face it head on. The onlr reason hatred of any kind lives on is because people sweep it under the wrong. Afraid that if they talk about the hatred will grow. Problem it not only continues to grow it grows unabated because no one knows what it really looks like.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
  40. Juan H

    This is just another attempt by the white man to keep only his account of history alive. Why would a school district not want it's students to learn about history relevant to it's student's? Especially in a Southwestern state...this baffles the mind. I am amazed that the parents and community in this state haven't made this a big issue. The Latino community in this state are just too quiet. Stop letting the whites in power determine your kid's education!

    January 22, 2012 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • drew

      well then do something about it

      January 22, 2012 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joe

        Arizona, the legislature is always trying to fix what is not broken. Honestly, i do believe that some people in government, there do have a problem when it comes to the race card. We need to hear from the Native Americans what they have to say, I bet if they started to teach about how there people was almost exterminated by the Europeans, they would also try to put a stop to it. In Arizona It is all about the fear factor, lets not say names, me know who they are.

        January 22, 2012 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • THE GHOST OF CESAR CHAVEZ

        I second Joe. Shame on Arpaio and Janet Brewer of Hate and the rest of the racist republican radicals of AZ.

        February 6, 2012 at 12:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Jac

      This is precisely what division and racism looks like;

      This is just another attempt by the white man to keep only his account of history alive. Stop letting the whites in power determine your kid's education!

      January 22, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • me

      Juan, should there be a German history class that teaches Nazism?

      January 22, 2012 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        We've already got it! What you forgot? US history, de facto teaches history from a upper class white male's point of view. I'm in the unique position to understand exactly what white people and hispanic people think and what their points of view are. How? I'm white on my father's side (go shamrocks) and Mexican on my mother's (go tamales!). If someone tries to tell you that history isn't written by the victors that person is trying to sell you something. And about the Nazism. Hmm, don't recall student's branding mexican flags emblems on their chests and how mine cornfields. It might do you good to learn about your own history in depth and you'll find more parallels to Mexican history than your probably comfortable with.

        January 22, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Betsy

        me – are you seriously suggesting that being Mexican or Mexican-American is akin to being a Nazi? Nazis made a choice to believe in Hitler's message, regardless of their nationality. People are born where they're born, and they don't have a choice. Every true patriot ought to be interested in how our country was formed, as our history is all the same. It's ONE story. And, oh, by the way, I did learn about Hitler and WWII in school, so your analogy is ridiculous from that standpoint as well.

        January 22, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Sieg Gingrich! Sieg Gingrich! Sieg Gingrich!

        January 22, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • mike zaldivar

        There is, It's called World War ll.

        January 22, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • chris

      maybe you should look at where you are at.....oh that's right America....not mexico....its about American history....because you are in America!!!!! if you want to learn about Mexico then take a college class or go to mexico......

      January 22, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Repzentation

        Yeah, Cause in America we only learn about America. Screw the rest of the worlds point of view, who cares what they think!

        January 22, 2012 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        My dear Chris, The more you actually study history the more you learn how much more intertwined our histories are than you thought. But when you remain ignorant of the facts you balkanize peoples and communities that aren't really that separated or even that different. I'm sure your folks have changed addresses a few times over the last 195,000 year history of the human race. Going out on a limb to say that.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • mike zaldivar

        BLIND!!!

        January 22, 2012 at 11:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kyle

        Dear little boy. This is not america, get a map, look up america, do you see the united states? no, you'll see the whole continent. Ignorant.

        January 23, 2012 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
  41. hopeless america

    Its ok, most American students are retards anyway. we might as well also stop teaching math, science, reading....
    its pointless to educate kids who grew up watching jersey shore and the kardshians

    January 22, 2012 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Glenn

      Yeah, all you need to get by in the world today is in the Bible.....

      January 22, 2012 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • rev bob

        the bible is not real

        January 22, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • amused123

        Sure it is; it can be bought just about anywhere and in any language

        January 22, 2012 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • 821776

      If anything, that just shows that it's not pointless to continue teaching the children. Teach them so they don't end up like the fools on Jersey Shore or any of those other reality shows.

      January 22, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
  42. jules

    This is heart-breaking, disgusting, and thoroughly un-American.

    January 22, 2012 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff S

      Absolutely. American has become the very country our ancestors and fore fathers fought, bled and died to free themselves from. The worse part...the majority of the Americans today can't see it because they failed to study history.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:20 pm | Report abuse |
  43. Jac

    You know the problem starts with the ideological views of of those that believe in open borders, inclusion, fairness as they perceive it should be. If you notice this is all brought a bought by the children of the sixties. The same rebellious people that were against the war and where anything they did was okay. These are the same people running this country today. This is why there is such a fight to go back to the way it was and should be but I am sure this will not happen. They have positioned themselves properly to indoctrinate the youth and they have prevailed. This country and what it was built on is hated by these people. My father came to this country did not speak a bit of English nor did he have transportation to get around. He worked as a porter, (yes a porter nothing wrong with the word) put himself through school, learned English and learned the history of America. He became successful and never once demanded he be taught his countries history or demanded America change by learning his language. I personally have no issue with people coming to this country and looking to get ahead by assimilating to our way of life. No welfare, learn English and serve your country. If you are unhappy with this country then you should find another country you may be happy with. If not then contribute because that is what made this country the most successful loved country on earth. I meas think about it, what is good about coming here from Mexico (since we are talking about Mexico) and demanding to be taught your countries history. If you are so proud of your country learn it on your own as so many immigrants before you did or go to a country where it will be taught according to your satisfaction. I realize everything I say here will be picked apart but it is the truth. I am not a racist I despise racism and I am embarrassed of my countries history as it relates to that. I live in Arizona and Mexican people are not lazy it is the children of the sixties that are causing this division for their own benefit. Where do you think all of this political correctness came from. Where do you think the laws as it relates to raising your own children came from. They want a completely unruly citizenship that one day will turn on them to their surprise. All the psychologists, Psychiatrists, and so have suddenly determined the way children have been raised. What was wrong with how they were raised before? Nothing!. Now look at children, they can do whatever they wish and are taught in school they can and the parents will get in trouble with the police if they try to discipline them. Thus the unruliness prevails. America as a country of then is no longer. It is too far gone I am sorry to say. As they removed God (whether real or not) from the family unit they destroyed it. No I am not a religious zealot but no matter what you say when people had something central to believe in they were orderly with great morals, look at them now.

    January 22, 2012 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Juan H

      No, you are just backwards. This country is not the same country of the 50s and 60s. Our economy, our culture, even basic civil rights are not the same. The only people the 50s and 60s benefits where WHITES! No wonder you love to back to the golden age of white power.

      January 22, 2012 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jac

        Your response is as ignorant and racist as you are. I am far from white.

        January 22, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Glenn

      GOP is giving us something to believe in $greed$. Of course a mistress or two is ok too.

      January 22, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • joh2141

      You speak the truth. Most people have access to unlimited amount of information through the internet. If you don't have a computer, go to the library. If there's no computers at the library, there's plenty of books to read through.

      I came from South Korea to the US with no prior English skills. Became fluent in 3 years and helped my friends with writing. There's hardly any Korean history being taught in America except for the brief section in history classes of WWII and Korean War. You don't see me demanding my school to waste more tax money off of American citizens in teaching "novelty" information that you don't need to succeed in this country. That goes in your free time. Look, I just go to Wikipedia and search South Korea and there's plenty of information there with citations.

      As for those who argues they don't have Internet and there's no computer at the library; so what? I grew up without computers so I went to the library to get whatever information I needed.

      However, these kids demanding that Mexican history be taught do not have the spare time to search the Internet to look it up themselves? The world's not going to hold your hands to get you whatever you need... If you don't pull your own weight in this world, you will not make it. Learn something called "taking the initiative."

      January 22, 2012 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jac

        That's all that needs to be said!

        January 22, 2012 at 9:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Roundnround

      The rebellious people of the 60's that were against the war? The Vietnam War? Well, were they wrong? Was a thrust
      towards Civil Rights not the right thing to do?

      January 22, 2012 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jac

        Of course they were right to fight the war movement but certainly not right to take it out on those that were serving getting killed and maimed. You push to end the war in a civil manner and then move to change the rules for future engagement. Unfortunately this was not their goal, theirs was just to be rebellious period although it may have started off well intentioned.

        As to a thrust towards civil rights i applaud anyone that seeks equality for all, it should not be called civil however but should be referred to as human rights, lets not forget why the thrust even existed.

        The problem is that while human rights equality have not yet been accomplished in the mind of some they have been for the most part in this country as it relates to why it was started that being the color of skin that separated us.

        Another problem that was created was the division of people based on color and ethnicity by trying to implement programs such as affirmative action in an effort to further equalize people.

        Do you not see history repeating itself with racism and division based on race and ethnicity?

        The books being discussed do not teach inclusion but teaches exclusion and hatred, is this right to do?

        January 22, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kam

        The books discussed include The Tempest by Shakespeare and a book of poetry by Ofelia Zepeda, who won the MacArthur Genius Grant, is a Regent's professor and is the official poet laureate of TUCSON! In fact there are stones here engraved with her poetry. NONE of her works breed hate.

        January 22, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
  44. LouAZ

    George Orwell – 1984 – is alive and well here in Aridzona. Although our wonderful sunny weather seems to bake the brains of most Anglos here and all they can really remember is how it was when they grew up East of the Mississippi and South of the Mason/Dixon Line where there were no Latinos. Often they seem surprised that anyone besides other Anglos are here as they think this is New Territory recenlty given Statehood, and ask where their promised mule is that goes with their .40 acre. Please do not judge us too harshly, we are slowly leaving the 19th Century. You betcha !

    January 22, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ron

      That's the problem, you guys are acting like it is a New Territory and has just recently been ceded to the US. Move on why don't you.

      January 22, 2012 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • jtom

      "bake the brains of most Anglos here"

      Been a bigot all your life, or have you just recently converted to one?

      January 22, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jeff S

        You think Anglo is a racist term? You didn't make it past 5th grade did you?

        January 22, 2012 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
  45. factual

    Imagine all the different ethnic, racial, national original, political, religious or other groups that could be given special studies courses in schools. Cases could be made for each. Overall though, a better case could be made that any such selective group study would be something which could easily morph into something very, very negative.

    January 22, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • ErickS

      Yes, where are the Asian-american and Indian-American courses (dot, not feather)? Oh that's right, they are busy studying math and science so they can be doctors and scientists and contribute to society and make nice livings for themselves. Meanwhile, these people are demanding racist studies courses designed to stir negativity and resentment. The chicano culture is one of sloth. When is the last time a major scientific breakthrough or invention came from a hispanic country?

      January 22, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Yes, Erick thank you for putting your finger on it. I'm latino and I've felt stupid my whole life. I usually spend my time trying to open doorknobs with my feet, using the toothbrush to try to start my car and of course, how can I forget, asking what's the number for 911 when there is an emergency. I really find it hard to get through my day with out the help of a white person to open my mailbox for me. Keep thinking I should use my ears, but something's telling me that's not the right answer. Hmm?

        January 22, 2012 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • CNNTom

        @John Gallagher-González

        Great, then I'll assume Latino population will pull ahead the Asians anytime now and we can end all social programs to Latinos because of their excellent education.

        January 22, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Yo, CNNTOM. Ah, an adherent of the myth of the Model Minority. Don't you know that there are a lot of Asian immigrant communities that don't have stellar academic acheivements. It kind of isn't accurate to assume that all Asians are flourishing in the academic system. Ever hear of the Hmong? Probably not, the curse of not learning history is that you can't even get an adult to remember 30 years ago. Long live whitewashing!!!!!

        January 22, 2012 at 11:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • THE GHOST OF CESAR CHAVEZ

        LET'S EDUCATE ERICK S FOUNDATION. Since the 1980s there have been three Nobel Prize winners of Mexican origin, one of them is a US citizen and he won it for Chemistry. Oh, and did you know that the US buys many of its vaccines from Mexican labs. Of course you didn't, you just like to spew racist comments about minorities on the internet, how original and intellectually superior of you.

        February 6, 2012 at 12:52 am | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Your right, it could stir a civil rights movement. Very scary indeed.

      January 22, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        I just misspelled the word your in my previous post. I'm starting to feel less educated by the minute.

        January 22, 2012 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
  46. ErickS

    Well, to be fair, hopefully these books also include a chapter on crime and how much of it is due to the hispanics in Arizona. Everyone I read about a shooting or ANYTHING crime related in Phoenix it is almost always a hispanic. There are parts of Tucson and Phoenix that look like Mexico, it's like the city just gave up. They call it multicultural, but it is really just blight. That's why I fled to Scottsdale and live in a gated community now.

    January 22, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ron

      Well put. I wonder, even during the two skirmishes with Mexico over a hundred fifty years ago, did we ever kill over 40,000 of them in three years. You know, the same number their own people have killed in the last three years. If they are so proud of their heritage, why don't they get outraged about that. They are bringing the same crap here.

      January 22, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        To Ron, if you look at who truly holds political power and wealth you will see who is responsible for committing abuses against others. Look at it in any historical period. I dare you to think critically about this issue.

        January 22, 2012 at 8:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ron

        To my my black irishman friend. I dare you to be objective. All cultures have committed atrocities to each other, to others and so on and so on. The problem is you want to be a victim. You told one of the posters to go back to Europe. Just think, you wouldn't exist if Spain hadn't showed up on your shores. Also, your own people have committed more atrocities to their citizens then any other foreign country has. They have stolen your oil, failed to provide for their own people. If it weren't for the europeans people would still be living in holes on the side of mountains. Their descendants have created industries and brought them to your country which probably employ more mexicans than any other industry in that country. If you are here legally then by all means stay, but enough of this you did this and you did that garbage and take advantage of the opportunities that exist in this country that are non existent south of the border.

        January 22, 2012 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kam

      "There are parts of Tucson and Phoenix that look like Mexico..." Maybe because Arizona WAS ONCE A PART OF MEXICO. Honestly there are families that have lived there before any white person and I'm even not including the Native Americans who get caught up in this racist mess. More reason why we need Mexican-American studies.

      January 22, 2012 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike zaldivar

      What shot Gabby Giffords???

      January 22, 2012 at 11:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Congratulations on putting yourself behind bars. Bet you are paying through the nose for the privilege. Ever hear of the white flight from urban areas in the 1960's? Probably not. That's when the whites fled the urban centers because African Americans were moving in. Erick, from your point of view it just sounds like white people are just better people. Hmmm, wait, you can find a bit a crime in low income white communities as well. Social ills like that are begotten when people are desperate. Rich people don't rob people because they don't need to. Time to wake up an realize that what really distinguishes the powerful from the weak is how much money you have.

      January 22, 2012 at 11:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle

      I would gladly include a chapter in american history books about how many people we killed in afghanistan, i can tell you how many i killed. Also maybe you should include a chapter of how many of my brothers died or committed suicide when they came back. Enjoy your freedom, thanks for being a racist, it makes me feel better that i fought for you.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:13 am | Report abuse |
    • AZpatriot

      @ErickS: you are what is wrong with this state, and a large part
      of the country. such ignorance is ubelievable.

      January 23, 2012 at 3:47 am | Report abuse |
  47. Stephen

    You want to pay reparations give me tax free citizenship for life! It was the government who enslaved me, sterilized me, placed me in the TU experiment, put me in a concentration camp but yet I am still expected to contribute to it. Not only did I build you for free but I have to pay you when I got done

    January 22, 2012 at 7:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fnordz

      Shut up and get busy picking crops

      January 22, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Hello, I'm Latino and I do not judge you for not knowing others well. Our education system has failed you as well.

        January 22, 2012 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Fnordz, sorry, too busy learning.

        January 22, 2012 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
  48. me

    All these Mexicans do is come here illegally and get free stuff and yet they still complain.

    January 22, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • MLatino

      What if I was to tell you Mexicans have lived in Arizona since before it was part of the United States, would you believe me?

      January 22, 2012 at 7:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ron

        Yeah, both of them moved south after the new landlords took over.

        January 22, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • ErickS

        I have been to Tucson. There are parts of Tucson and Phoenix that look like Mexico. I kid you not, I saw some chickens running around in one area. Don't you love multiculturalism?

        January 22, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • MLatino

        huh... well here is just a little history, brown people have lived in Arizona since 10,000 BC. Since then, the Natives who would later become Mexicans, then Chicanos have been in Arizona.

        January 22, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Stephen

        And how about Texas who won its independence from Mexico in 1835 the joined the us 10 years later

        January 22, 2012 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • MLatino

        What the hell does Texas have to do with Arizona?

        January 22, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ron

        wow, so what you are saying is that we really need to go back to the asians that crossed the bering straits into north america. So you really aren't mexican either. You know, let's just go all the way back and return everything to anyone who ever lost it. You are obviously a product of that educational system. I love how all of the wronged ethnic groups use modern morality to judge the actions of people 200 years ago. Man evolves, what seems outrageous now was normal then. What is disturbing about these curricula is that they are being taught to very young kids who quickly develop a sense of victimization that you can hear whenever they speak. Not even you can deny that. Get over it. Give them something that makes them look to the future not hang onto a past that they have very little to do with. Mexico, it's government and it's people are not without sin. Move on. Give them a sense of pride not resentment. That is the issue.

        January 22, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • MLatino

        Okay, you really don't want to debate me on this, because you'd lose. I was just trying to make this simple. First and foremost, you'd never say that to a Mexican in there face, so why act bold when no one knows who you are. Second of all, in order to know how to get to the future, you have to look at the past.

        George Santayana: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

        January 22, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ron

        And those that cannot forget the past are doomed to remember it. Just make sure the past that you want to remember is accurate and not remembered to justify your resentment.

        January 22, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ron

        btw that's a Jane Ace quote

        January 22, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ron

        also, what's to debate? Is that not true. And btw, most hispanics I know are sick of the crap and vote republican

        January 22, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • MLatino

        Ron, it's a matter of knowing your history, and gaining pride from that. Sadly, not everyone's history in the United States is filled with landing on Plymouth Rock and then using religion as a driving force to create the greatest nation on Earth. Some of us had family that was here first, and then had that land taken away. some were brought here in chains and shame and eventually fought back for their own freedom, some came over when their government became corrupt, well others came here to escape poverty and fathom.

        This nation is fruitful and is the greatest on Earth. But some of it's history is not so perfect, and there are those that their present is shaped by this history. I learned about my own history through books my father and grandfather read, and they shared stories of their own struggles to be seen as more American, the countless family members who went to Vietnam when whites were burning draft cards, well at the same time, in Arizona, my father was denied a hamburger well in his Marine uniform. That uniform said his American, his skin said he was less than American. It's people like my dad who are true heros, and it's people like him that we need to learn about. These people made America, they fought for others rights to burn a draft card. They are proud of their history, they past it on to their children and Arizona schools should teach this history to their students so they can look at America as more than George Washington, but instead the many who have put this nation together.

        January 22, 2012 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • MLatino

        Also, blacks and Latinos are both inherently conservatives. If the Republican party ever stops with their singling out minorities, then they'd actually win both votes hands down.

        January 22, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ron

        fathom?

        January 22, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Juan H

      You are so ignorant. Lack of education is sad, as reflected in your post. How much brain power did it take to type that sentence?

      January 22, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Speaking of, got 20 bucks I can borrow?

      January 22, 2012 at 11:48 pm | Report abuse |
  49. duh

    To all of the people complaining about why there is a need for minority studies, I suggest you take a look at your kids' social studies book and try to find more than two or three paragraphs per CHAPTER highlighting the contributions minorities have made to this country. You would be surprised at what you see. It's real simple, do a better job of including minority contributions in mainstream social studies education, and there will be less need (and less complaining) for specialized minority education.

    January 22, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • namethename

      Ok, if we to be fair and include "all what minorities contribute", a we also gonna talk about crime and how much they "contribute" to it?
      I didn't think so, because fair you do NOT wanna be.

      January 22, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • kiclay

        You have got to be kidding me you raciest SOB, this country was built on the backs of minorities. I'm sure if the Native Americans knew what was going to happen they would have let the first white folks who came here starve to death and not shown them how to cultivate the land. To thank them they stole land, violated treties and committed acts of genocide. When they couldn't enslave them they kidnapped Africans and built an economy based on slave labor because white folks didn't want to do it themselves. The rail roads were built by the Chinese and were practically forced to live underground. Yet it's ok that we perpetrate lies about Washington and Lincoln, gloss over facts such as how Jackson knowingly violated a Supreme Court ruling and try to force kids in reading crap authors Hemingway instead of much better authors who talk about experiences that I can relate to such as Richard Wright.

        January 22, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sajor

        You need to go back to school and learn how to write English. How can you complain about immigrants being ignorant when you are unable to spell in your native language?

        January 22, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • namethename

        Sajor,
        I am an immigrant. That's why I know what I am talking about. I lived in different countries also and was discriminated against. This country is the BEST by a far more than you give this country credit.
        I know what I am talking about. I also took black history class when I came to America.
        Funny that I have to tell people who were born here that their country is awesome the way it is.I didn't build this country, I am enjoying the results of Democracy . It is sad that liberals want to destroy the way of life.I say don'y change a thing. Just finally have legal immigration, not illegal. Cause it's hurting poor people first. And promotes racial issues.

        January 22, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jeff S

        There is no reason to point out crime because crime and immigrants are not mutually exclusive. And liberals are not trying to destroy the country...they are trying to preserve freedom...at least this liberal is. Freedom trumps all. Without it the lives, the culture, the way of life are meaningless. I want everyone to be free regardless of where they live, where they were born, what religion they practice, or what language they speak.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • namethename

        Jeff,
        and I guess the laws we have on hand now prevent people from freedom ? You have to sneak into this country illegally to be completely free ? Also, once you here, call people who already live here names like racist makes you super-free?

        January 23, 2012 at 2:11 am | Report abuse |
  50. honest abe

    LOL! Mexicans complaining about racism... funny stuff because MEXICANS AND MEXICAN CULTURE BREEDS RACISM! I'm married to one and we see how they are. i'm so sick of people crying about something that they themselves take part of... serves them right. you want to learn about mexican culture? GTF back to MEXICO then! you shouldnt be learning it on the taxpayers dollars. What next ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT STUDIES??? stupid.

    January 22, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • asdf

      So whenever your spouse complains about something you tell him/her to go back to Mexico? This person sounds like a real sucker.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jose

      Your post illustrates why these studies are necessary.

      January 22, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • namethename

      Jose, those studies promote hate against race that you are not part of.
      Those studies are not against you, so you are for it. Very simple.

      January 22, 2012 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike zaldivar

      We actually have a holiday for illegals, it's called " Columbus Day " !!!!

      January 22, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle

      No my dear, you breed racism.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:16 am | Report abuse |
  51. Ohplease

    "some said they felt like Chicano or Mexican-American perspectives on history have become unacceptable."

    They were teaching misinformation. There is no such thing as perspective in history. You either teach the truth or you do not. They were teaching lies, one of which suggested that Benjamin Franklin was a bigot. Anyone who has studies the man's life work and history knows this to be false!

    January 22, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • DR D

      Um. All history is perspective. Ask someone who teaches it. How many people have heard of Shay's rebellion? No? It's a bunch of white people. Oh, right. They were angry at the founding fathers and were poor. That's not appropriate 'perspective' I imagine.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Landers

      I've been out of school a while but – one of the things I remember learning about Franklin was that he liked to drink – and had a tendancy to be come a belligerent bigot when he did so... And I didn't learn that in a Mexican or Chicano history class.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • anasrkissed

      I teach college history. All history is relative. Each person in the fight, or the struggle, or the event, sees the event from a different point of view. It impacts them differently, depending their place. As far as "history" taught in school, that history is always written by the winner. The winner will always write a history that glorifies the winner and demonizes the loser. Simple-minded people don't understand this. Critical thinkers do.

      January 22, 2012 at 9:17 pm | Report abuse |
  52. kude

    So, it's fine to teach about mexicans, but not the very religion on which this country was built? What sort of backwards logic is that?

    January 22, 2012 at 6:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • eldono

      AZ is a very conservative state. They would never want to teach what is, only what was, and that with a white Minnesota twist. Remember, most of the whites here are from or related to people from the north.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • eldono

      Maybe...Southern Arizona needs to become its own state. Us up here in NAZ hate PHX as much as Tuscon does.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • akcalkins

      This country was not founded on religion. It was built on greed and the hope for a better future. Most of our founding fathers were not even religious men. Those who were, were deists.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ray in Vegas

      Most of the founding fathers were "deists" .. meaning they did believe in God (of some sort). Some were professed atheists. None that I'm aware of were fundamentalist Christians. If anything, quite a few were Masons.

      January 22, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff S

      You speak as if this country was built on just one religion. I assure you all of them, if not the majority of them, were represented at the time this country was formed.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
  53. philojazz

    "Students said they're learning a hard but practical lesson about politics."

    I agree. Don't EVER vote for a Republican, or anyone who mentions anything against "immigration", or "evolution", as these are all people who are, in essence, the WRONG people to have in elected office.

    Now, you can make a case to vote for these people, and you're welcome to do so. Just don't VOTE for them.

    Viva mi pais, los EEUU, y todos que viven aqui. Espero que tenemos un buen futuro. Obama en 2012.

    January 22, 2012 at 6:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Landers

      I'm a nationalist. That means I'm an American – with no pre-fix regardless of my pigmentation or ancestry... One of the things I liked about Obama when I voted for him was that he did not seem to be playing the race card and he came across as moderate. He still isn't playing the race card! The minorities in this country are trying to throw him into that light. Obama himself – is generally an American first – black person second.

      Regardless of how I feel about his job performance – I'll be voting for him again. The candidates from the other side are just a bit too scary for me.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ron

        had a serious head injury lately?

        January 22, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
  54. George

    It used to be a free country.

    January 22, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Landers

      It still is a free country. It's just that a lot of folks don't have any respect for it anymore.

      Everyone is too busy jumping up and down to point out their differences.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      It's ridiculious. When you start telling teachers what they can teach to young adults, you are essentially blocking the truth. It doesn't harm anyone, It's a class. The teacher is teaching the history, you can't supress the author, so you take the books?

      January 22, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Honest Citizen

        Evere hear of a "School Board"? Those folks are the ones that set the ciriculum and they (my friend) are ELECTED by the people that live there. THOSE FOLKS ar eht ones telling teachers what they can and can not teach. Techers only do as they are TOLD.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
  55. t3chsupport

    How about, instead of whining about how the white folk came and oppressed them and how they were wronged... they can learn about how it's also happened to every other race in the history of society. Ours is coming, some day. It always does.

    But in the meantime, instead of whining about 'this land is our land' type nonsense, maybe figuring out a way to make what remains of Mexico not such a violent cesspit? Wouldn't that be super?

    January 22, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
  56. Max

    Nobody can comprehend anyone else racialized experience in America. That's why ethnic studies classes are so important. They let people encounter American history in a way that may be more individually relevant than the standard history classes. They also allow people of other ethnicities to appreciate the contributions of other historically marginalized groups that are often overlooked, but no less important to the shaping of this country.

    January 22, 2012 at 6:22 pm | Report abuse |
  57. Tai

    I wonder what the blued eyed devils are afraid of? Are they butt hurt due to the fact that they are out numbered by the Latinos in that State and that this will be over turned in the future? It seems that this will be the situation in many States in the U.S. and soon. If I were a politician, I would try not to anger them too terribly much, for fear they may awaken and start to vote in mass as is the case in Miami, FL.

    January 22, 2012 at 6:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Honest Citizen

      Outnumbered only by the illegals. Those illegally here and using tax dollars need to be ridden out of the nation and quit being a drain on our taxes.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • whatever

      You know when you talk like this calling people "devils" you prove that there is little hope for the human race living together. I'm Finish and blue-eyed and have never done anything to anyone. Watch your hate it makes you as bad as those you despise.

      January 22, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bob G.

      Remember when we played Cowboys and Indians well your next.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:11 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Tamara

    So history told from anything other than an Anglo perspective is racist and divisive? Interesting yet not a new viewpoint. It is also worth noting how many people feel threatened by people of color sharing their version of historical events. Nothing about these classes were making students militant until the school district stepped in and censored their curriculum.

    January 22, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • cacique

      You are right. It was an act of fear on their part.
      They should not be afraid of students learning thier history, but they are. Which reflects weakness and intolerance.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Honest Citizen

      Anglos are accused of racism for just being white. We have tired of it and are about to eject thsoe here illegally and take what is our....... BACK.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • GOD

        take back what is yours? wasn't it a spaniard who discovered america?

        January 22, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Instiqua

      Don't you think its time "immigrants" learned to assimilate our history our language our culture instead of clinging to "thewir" historical perspective? If they needed to study their history and are so desperately anxious of :losing: their cultural historical roots they should have stayed in the countries of their origin. Having said that it does not have to be an either/or situation. They could learn American history oi school and their own ethnic perspectives on it at home/community centers. If we start with Mexican-American history why stop at that? Should we not then also include Islamic history? Sharia Law? or Buddhist? or Hindu? or whatever too? Is it not discriminating against these other immigrants? Why be selective for Mexican Americans? If came in as an immigrant learn about your adoptive country. If you want to study your roots no one is stopping you. Do it at home or your local neigborhood community center or Church. Schools are where we teach a common history that all can share without favrng one particular community or ethic group. The soon you assmiilate the less alienated you will feel. .

      January 22, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • GOD

        what history? you speak english which derived from england, this country was founded by a SPANIARD,slavery meaning other people did the hard work to keep this country going and others sat on the butts(sounds familiar) what are you people afraid of, that people of color are learning that people of color contributed a lot to this country and are not the uncivilized beasts we're potrayed as in your history books

        January 22, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Alex

    See how it feels when the PC police come for your pet causes Lefties? Doesn't feel good does it. I am against censorship so I think this law is heavy-handed, but also, this is America, we are individuals, not ethnicities. Ethnocentrism has no place in our individualist society. Finally, let's be real, for every case like b this there are 10 cases of classes teaching our Founding Fathers were evil racists and America is a horrible country so with so much leftist indoctrination in our school they can take this taste of their own medicine for once.

    January 22, 2012 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • cacique

      That is an excellent idea.
      However, ethnicity is alive and well in Arizona. Maybe you don't feel it because you just blend in.
      It was clearly stated by our founding fathers: We were created equal and we all have the right to pursue happiness.
      They were actually very cool guys with an awesome forward thinking, it would be unfair to put them in that box you suggest.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Landers

      I am a "leftist" on many things. But I agree, ethnocentrism has no place in this country's schools. This country is falling apart. One aspect of that is that people are jumping up and down to point out their differences rather than trying to point out how we can work together. Our differences are destroying our nationalism.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • raggedhand

      I'm a veteran high school teacher in a public school in Texas. In all of my years teaching, I've never come across a single teacher teaching that the founding fathers were evil racists, yet I hear this all the time online. Please cite a single instance where this actually happened.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
  60. Tasha

    We all knowl this was a class based on anti American racism. If the illegals and anchors don't like it, too bad, go to school in mexico instead of here for free.

    January 22, 2012 at 6:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • cacique

      And what about us the Mexican-Americans who have been here for at least decades. I am saying the kids have their right to learn how Mexican-Americans have participated in socio- historical events, how they have helped the country's effort to succeed, or how should they change to improve their lives and those of others. But to just ignore this blatant act of racism, never.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Landers

        They didn't teach any courses based on my ethnic background when I was in school – and I don't think we need to do it now either. We should be focusing our studies on American and World history. When I was in school they had "elective" classes and independent studies – so that if a kid wanted to learn something outside of the norm, they could.

        Maybe I've been out of school too long. Don't we teach the basics to our kids and then let them have some of the say in what they want to learn in addition to that?

        January 22, 2012 at 6:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • larvadog

      "We all know..." Stop right there. You're done.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • cacique

        Actually, I am barely getting started. Thank you.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • larvadog

        cacique – what the hell are you talking about? I wasn't responding to your statement. Did you say "We all know"? No, Tasha did.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • cacique

        Larvey,

        I will have to apologize. You're a good guy. Keep the good stuff coming.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patiat

      Arizona had loads of Hispanics and Native Americans in it for many, many generations before paleface ever set foot in it. There are families with over 5 generations in southern AZ, yet some idiot from Michigan or Illinois who moved there 8 years ago is going to dictate how the schools are to be run?

      January 22, 2012 at 6:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • JustMe

      And exactly how do you know this?

      January 22, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
  61. lilywhite

    We stole (ok, conquered) parts of TX and AZ when Mexico refused to sell. When my ancestors arrived off the European ships, they had their papers in hand at Ellis Island. No papers–no entry.

    January 22, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stephen

      The premise of your comment is very confusing to me. Are you suggesting that those living in the southwest for hundreds of years before the US appropriated the territory should leave because they didn't enter the US through an immigration facility like Ellis Island? By that logic, my ancestors that came over on the Mayflower should have also gone home.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • manda

        🙂 She got caugt for being a racist.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2tor

      Actually no, you didn't. We Texicans split from Mexico when they wouldn't recognize us as a state of Mexico. Then we joined ya'll 😉

      January 22, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • lilywhite

        No, mandy could be correct but isn't; if my tax dollars were being spent by public high schools to study one specific race, and that one race was the majority-minority (majority) of my state, I would have some racist feelings about it, for sure. The school board is to blame for not placing equal importance on so many other immigrant groups that helped build this country. And Stephan, for those of us whose ancestors arrived after our government was formed, the history of western expansion is STILL not being taught truthfully in ALL of our high schools. SOME (not all) WASPS were absolutely, atrociously evil in their greedy genocidal pursuit of "western expansion". This needs to be corrected by ALL school boards...based on some of the posts made here by teachers, they are ensuring very enthocentric views are being presented. Kudos to you teachers :oD

        January 22, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
  62. solowd

    Seems to me that Mexican-American kids should learn something about Mexican-American history.

    January 22, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stephen

      Seems to me that children generally should study the experiences of all groups, regardless of their cultural heritage, living in the United States including Mexican-Americans (or more broadly latinos), African-Americans, Asian-Americans, and European Americans.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • 2tor

        No, we should melt, like our forefathers meant for us to, not single out individuals of any culture.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike

        Seems to me they've been getting that kind of stuff since elementary school social studies, at least the euro-centric view.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Stephen

        The problem with your assertion is that it presumes that individuals of these various backgrounds contributed nothing to making America what it is today in the course of "melting." In order to understand what is America, you have to understand the people who made history and the roots that shaped them, the families that made them, and the communities that raised them.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Report abuse |
  63. ithink122

    Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury

    Read that and find out what happens when you let censorship continue to its logical but horrific end. Unless of course they have censored that book in your area too. And if so, you would appreciate the irony if you could get a copy.

    January 22, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Landers

      I don't think that removing an ethnically based course from a public school curriculum is censorship. After the civil rights movement, this country began to pride itself on our ability to work together. Then over the past 15 – 20 years, the pendulum swung too far in the wrong direction. Now, all we seem to do is fight about whose ethnicity deserves the highest praise and best treatment because they were oppressed in some way.

      We are one country. Other countries focus on their own history – why don't we all agree to do the same? Other countries have one language – why don't we? England, France, Spain, Mexico, Russia, China, Switzerland... In stead, in America – we have to try to make everyone feel special...

      We need to stop competing with eachother and work toward a common goal. If that means we start teaching the history of the United States of America, World Affairs, etc – and getting rid of classes like Mexican-American studies, then I say go for it. I'd rather have my tax dollars go to a music or art program – where kids are learning things together on an even playing field.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • 2tor

        I've been saying for over a decade, we're becoming tribal. Now we have a great divider and chief helping us along the way.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:17 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Isabella

    Arizona WAS Mexico. The history of Arizona is the history of Mexico.

    January 22, 2012 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • cacique

      Yes ma'am.
      That is why it is important for our students to continue learning about their history, and how it becomes an important fiber in the historical development of the southwest, and of the USA as a whole.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Good, leave.

      Mexico IS history. It is done. Over. Third world, violent land. We do not need it here.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • cacique

        Mexico by itself is a great country. It has taken the onslaught of many enemies including the Mexicans themsleves and it is still standing. Please notice your effort of bringing shame on people because of our Mexican ancestry, that strategy is old and worn out as we continue to be proud of that part of our existence.

        However, us the Mexican-Americans are now an intrinsic part of the USA and as such we have rights that others don't give up trying to take from us and our kids.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • gratular

      Arizona's history is mostly as a Mexican area.. that's common sense.. America didnt acquire parts of Mexico until the 1800's..

      January 22, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
  65. Jack

    I agree with the board's decision to get rid of these useless classes. Teach math, science and English literature. Stop classifying yourself as African american, mexican american and Martian american. If you are a citizen you are an american. If you want to learn about latin History please take a trip across the border and learn about it. Stop forcing your awful culture on the american people. If you do not think of yourself as american please pack your bags and get out. America was built by immigrants that assimilkated and worked for this country and gave back to it. If you are here for the freebies, then you need to get out. Also, students should be learning about Washington, Jefferson, the american revolution and other american history instead of learnig about Pancho Villa and Cinco De Mayo. Please get the hell out of the country if you do not like the rules.

    January 22, 2012 at 5:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • cacique

      It is not that we classify ourselves like Mexican-Americans.
      That is a label we have been given to differntiate us from you. Now, we have learned to like it, WE are the Mexican-Americans and we have the right to learn our history and how it is intertwined with the history of the USA

      January 22, 2012 at 5:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • OnlyAmerican

        Where is it written that you have such rights in this context?

        January 22, 2012 at 6:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • MarioH

        You are a disgrace to even want to agree with being Mexican-American because there is NO SUCH THING!! You are either AMERICAN or you are not. It's ok to be American of Mexican decent but nothing else should ever come first, especially from a nation you are a citizen of. This goes to any other race or creed. They are all American of (ethnicity here) decent but none the less AMERICAN.

        I'm pretty sure if you visit another country and are asked what your nationality is you would say AMERICAN.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Morningstar

      How about Native American's? wW were here first

      January 22, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • larvadog

      "Stop forcing your awful culture on the american people."

      I would venture a guess, Jack, that what you know about other cultures – any culture, pick one – could fit in a thimble. Your comment defines ignorant, racist hatred. You clearly do not realize what it means, from a historical perspective, to be an American. You are putrid with fear. Be gone.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • J

      "Awful culture?" Wow.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • manda

      While I understand your point of view, you should keep in mind that history lesson given by one side is NEVER complete. Like they say, history is written by the winner. When the European wrote about the colonies they conquesr, say for example, India, they fail to include the grand history that India had since time immemorial. KIds learn only Euor version of histroy and that's a sad thing. And I am speaking as a teacher (sub teacher). Good thing that I will be a science teacher when I become a classroom teacher. No two versions or more.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • larvadog

        I hate to break it to you, Manda, but there is more than one version of "science". "Intelligent Design" is one. If some folks have their way you'll be teaching that crap in science class, along with the earth being 6,000 years old.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Arkainen

    In reading through the posts no one really sees the thact the the "history" books are acually Mexican/Chicano/Hispanic empowerment books. These don't seem to be an actual account of history. And no one seems to correlate the fact that Arizona adopted an Anti Immigrant law and now is moving the immigrant portion out of the schools. Whatever, Mexicans will continue to do the jobs lazy non Mexicans will not do. Oh....and the whole go back to where you came from also apllies to caucasions. You all are not from this continent and you'd know this if you were not an ignorant who says "go back to where you came from."

    January 22, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Arkainen

      In reading through the posts no one really sees that the "history" books are acually Mexican/Chicano/Hispanic empowerment books. These don't seem to be an actual account of history. And no one seems to correlate the fact that Arizona adopted an Anti Immigrant law and now is moving the immigrant portion out of the schools. Whatever, Mexicans will continue to do the jobs lazy non Mexicans will not do. Oh....and the whole go back to where you came from also apllies to caucasions. You all are not from this continent and you'd know this if you were not an ignorant who says "go back to where you came from."

      January 22, 2012 at 5:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • joe

      I agree with you. The books shouldn't be censored, but they also shouldn't be classroom material.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • bottybrown

      "Mexican/Chicano/Hispanic empowerment books"

      That's exactly why these classes were banned. We're supposed to be teaching history not "empowerment" of certain races via attacking other races. Let's start up a white empowerment class, see how well that flies with you worthless fools.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:37 am | Report abuse |
  67. Chris

    You leftists and mexican haters lost. Get over it. Also Mexicans have never been "oppressed" by the U.S they were just the losers in wars. No pity or sympathy here, you Mexicans don't exactly have a history of racial justice so you have no right to talk about this like it's racism which it isn't.

    You lost again, boo hoo hoo......

    January 22, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • A native american

      I would like to tell you the same, but in my race's case you guys eradicated us to the point of extinction and now you want to do the same to another race. White people like yourself are the evil of the world.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • JustMe

        History all over the world his filled full of violence and inhumane acts. Pre-columbian American history is full of repression and war. The pueblo peoples of the southwest didn't build their communities high in the cliffs as a defense against snakes. How about Mexico and central american peoples such as the Aztecs? Whites don't have sole claim to being evil. Your post is as racist as any other on this board.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • ErickS

        shoulda fought harder...

        January 22, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • cacique

      On the contrary, we have all right to talk about this and to demand that our students learn about their history right in the classroom as directed by a teaching professional that can infuse solid class strategies. We HAVE to talk about it not because we are haters or leftists, or because we lost the war or any other reason, but because as citizens we do have the right to study our history.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tasha

        There's that big " d" word hispanics love to throw around?. As long as it upsets America haters I consider it a success.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      I may be mistaken but I just sounded like you casted yourself as the oppressor in your comment. If you are saying that you won, or your group at least, and that the Mexicans lost, you are in effect saying that you oppress people. Are you now proud of yourself after hearing a stranger describe you to you?

      January 22, 2012 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
  68. ohsnap

    I don't think the opposition is against Mexican-American studies per se. I think what the board is trying to do is stifle any pro-illegal immigration inroads or sentiment. I think that is the reason behind all this book banning. None of this would even be necessary however if schools had taught the whole of history so that the contributions of all races would be included. But they didn't. So now you have African American Studies and Latino studies, etc.

    January 22, 2012 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • cacique

      And they are going about it in a totally wrong way. They are choosing to censor Mexican-American history books by merely taking them from the classroom shelves. A coward way of doing things, I would say.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:03 pm | Report abuse |
  69. Ray in Vegas

    Ok. "We have a right to learn about our history." (blubber, tears, sniff..) Yes. But what is wrong with everyone's history being included in AMERICAN history. If it's not appropriate to have a "White European" history class, then we should not have "Black History" or "Chicano History". Not in public schools supported by federal dollars. Don't get me wrong .. there should indeed be lessons on racism, and all history, including contributions of black Americans, Americans with roots in Spanish-Speaking countries, Americans with roots in Asian countries, as well as Europeans of course. And even though we may have needed these types of studies initially ... it's time we move forward and be truly inclusive. There is enough division in our country already. My mother was born in Mexico, my father is half Romanian, half German. Maybe they should have a class for "Heinz 57 Studies". I am American and always will be. I don't use any other label.

    January 22, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • James

      There is no White History classes because the general history classes have been overwhelmingly written by whites without regard or understanding of the contributions by others. The only reason there are Black History classes now is because African Americans have had to yell and scream and demand that they not be marginalized.

      Simple example, the new movie Red Tails; how many know of the nickname, let alone the contribution to the war effort or the simple effort to be allowed to contribute?

      I am possibly the number one exponent of having a colour blind education, but being colour blind means that the colours MUST be recognized to begin with.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • teach from NC

      There is a "white european history" class, its called "European History". Most "American" history books are written through the perspectives of white people, so from that point alone you have books that are biased, racist, prejudice, etc. To have a class that takes a different perspective on history is very enlightening and gives students a way to develop more critical thinking skills. Maybe they should say it is a "comparative studies" class. Its exciting to see that kids are interested in learning about history and to take away that interest for no real reason, it is disheartening.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stephen

      We do teach "white" history classes–only they're just called "history" (i.e. European History, American History, etc.). Our notion of "history" is what was recorded largely by white historians from white perspectives about mostly white people, and we just don't refer to this history as "white history." For example, we study the pilgrims coming to the "New World" and meeting "Indians" (a term created by white Europeans who mistakenly believed they had arrived in South Asia). I don't know of a widely used textbook that portrays this experience from the perspective of the persons living in North and South America and their reflections on the changes that subsequently occurred.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ray in Vegas

      Three very thoughtful, non-reactive, intelligent responses. Thank you!

      January 22, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
  70. scranton

    Go back to mathematics, science, economics, and literature.

    January 22, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • cacique

      No academic study is complete without knowing your own history.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Severinus

      Teaching mathematics, science, economics, and literature doesn't mean that you can't teach anything else. This is not a case of either/or. It is possible to do it all.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
  71. Jax

    It's frightening to see some of the ignorant responses here, but then I shouldn't really be surprised by anything any more. The reason ethnic histories need to be told in school is because each one has a history of being oppressed. They also have a history of of contribution that none of us would know about unless we were told from the viewpoint of those that lived it or have studied it extensively. And when you exclude opposing viewpoints, you water down history.

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it

    January 22, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chickenlivers

      Very well said!

      I'm also shocked. Reading such responses on this comment page makes me cry. There is no willingness to look from a point of view. I'm actually a little ashamed I share my citizenship with such people.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Justice

      Your an idiot Mexicans have not been oppressed by America. They have been carried by hard working American citizens! The only people who have oppressed Mexican'ts are themselves through there laziness!

      January 22, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Justice

        Better yet go back to mexico – mexican't I was born here along with my ancestors!! We didn't have to swim or crawl here? Bet you can't say the same!

        January 22, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Justice

        If we are going to teach there History, let's also teach how they lie and cheat the American taxpayer. Let’s start with how they scourer the obituries and claim an American man is the father of their 5 childeren and recieve SSI. The average amount of SSI recieved by the typical Mexican $1200.00 cash
        Or how they lie about the income on their tax returns to reciceive more EIC (Earned Income Credit) Child Tax Credit, Additonal Child Tax Credit and claim Head of Household with their spouse sitting at the next Tax Prepares desk. They recieve an average of 7k back in tax refunds each year yet the only paid $1200.00 in Federal Tax Withholding. The average American Tax refund 2,500.00. Let's also teach how they have destroyed the lives of countless Americans by stealing their social security numbers so they can receive public assistance, steal jobs, and ruin their credit!

        Also I think it is very important to review how the average Mexican Family recieves 1,000.00 in Food Stamps, a 1,000.00 in Tanf (cash from welfare)$300 WIC (free fruit, vegitable, milk, juice, and eggs)(separate from food food stamps)) a month, section 8 housing average cost for them 250.00, reduce utilities, and medicade.
        The average American is kicked off of Welfare within 6 months of having a child in my state. However, Mexicans are on public assistance for years!!!!!
        I know all this because I have worked as a Tax Preparer, Banker and cashier. I litterally have seen the under belly of the mexican community!! You can shout all you want that they are hard working, honest tax paying citizens.
        Let's Teach how Americans fought for our rights escaped British rule. Became the youngest most advanced country in the World. And how Mexicans feels as though AMERICANS OWE THEM SOMETHING!! WE AS AMERICANS OWE YOU NOTHING! YOU ARE THE LEACHES OF OUR SOCIETY! WHO DO NOTHING BUT SUCK THE BLOOD AND LIFE OUT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! IF BEING A MEXICAN IS SO GREAT THEN INSTEAD OF FOCUSING HOW DISINFRANCHISED YOU ARE IN AMERICA, GO BACK TO MEXICO AND TAKE YOUR COUNTRY FROM THE DRUG CARTELES. OH I FORGOT THAT IS AMERICA’S FAULT TOO EVEN THOUGH THAT IT’S YOUR COUNTRY .OR COULD IT BE YOU AS PEOPLE DON’T HAVE THE COURAGE OF AMERICANS TO FIGHT FOR WHAT IS YOURS?

        January 22, 2012 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Have you even been Mexican to claim to make a statement that they are lazy? How many Mexican friends do you have? How much direct personal experience do you have face to face with Mexicans? How much?

        January 22, 2012 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kyle

        You are a disgrace. Learn to speak english first. You're, your. On a side note, the most hardworking people i've met are mexicans.

        January 23, 2012 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
      • THE GHOST OF CESAR CHAVEZ

        To the flaming bigot who calls himself/herself justice. The blood of thousands of Mexicans is on you and your coke snorting friends. If anyone is a leach, it is the likes of you, who leach of the life of the Mexican immigrant laborer as if he was your slave. And don't talk about fighting and courage, of which you don't have any. Let's talk about how many Mexican men have fought under the US flag, let's talk about how we fight everyday to get out from under the boot of the white radical like you. Your bigotry inflames me, but unlike you I know better and we will fight you with votes and with education for our children.

        February 6, 2012 at 1:00 am | Report abuse |
  72. Galactus888

    This class just sounds like a waste of taxpayer money. It would make more sense to use this money to hire more math and science teachers.

    January 22, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • User9817

      My thoughts exactly. Since when do we need to learn about Mexican history when we are in the United States of America. Why should we be teaching anything other than American history? If you want to learn about your past do it on your own dime not the tax payers.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • cacique

        You are deliberately forgetting that Mexican-American history is not Mexican history. But rather it is the details that added up together refer to the events lived by thosewho grew in the USA as part of a different ethnicity of Mexican descent who fought for what it is now our country. We have never been allowed to forget that we are from Mexico, the fact that we are from there, or were from there, has been thrown to our faces as if it were the worst of sins or the most shameful a person can be. Now we have realized that it is actually something to be proud off due to all the obstacles we have defeated to get here.

        January 22, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • James

        Uh, so, North America did not exist before 1776? The US was an immaculate conception, of sorts, without any specific reasons for coming into existence other than God decreed it?

        You are conveniently forgetting that the injustices committed by the British monarchy so outraged the Colonists that felt the need to remove themselves from the British Empire and govern themselves.

        And that little holiday that is SOOOO important to Americans, Thanksgiving, has no roots in the Native American peoples who helped save those colonists, incidentally, long before there was a United States of America.

        How on earth can a person be SO narrow minded to refuse to understand that ALL nations are the product of the nations and peoples that cam before, and those that affect them today? That is ludicrous!

        Let's just take Latin immigration to the US today. What is the cause of it? Why were there Latinos already in parts of what is now the US long before Americans came (see California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas). What ties exist between Latin America and those states I mentioned?

        So, the US operates entirely self sufficiently and has no interaction with any other part of the world, and if they really must, can simply impose their views and values without regard? Sorry, take a look at the dissolution of the British Empire and tell me that works.

        January 22, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Smiley

      Prefer Literature to Film? How about mythology? Or art, jewelry, and gym?
      If you want math and science so badly, to the detriment of every other subject, move to China.
      At least over there, the dirty Mexicans aren't overtaking our schools and communities.

      Anyone who thinks Mexican History is the only class that is a waste of time is delusional. It's obvious you're an armchair educator, with no idea of what schools are really like.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      I thought you teabaggers hate science, so lets throw that out too.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle

      War was a waste of taxpayer money. If our schools had more cultural programs and people like you dared to step outside your little bubble of "america", you'd realize it. Please go back to school and educate yourself.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:29 am | Report abuse |
  73. Ada

    Just a thought, but how is there funding for a special Mexican-American studies program when most schools are struggling to maintain things like art, music, etc? Somehow I think Mexican-American studies could be incorporated into other history classes and interested students could be offered a booklist if they'd like to read more specifically about any (insert nationality)-American history. And if we OK Mexican-American studies specifically, why not Polish-American or Sudanese-American?

    January 22, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • cacique

      I don't see why not.
      But let's not begin by taking reference books away from the students. It was a clear move to do away with a valuable source of information that students can use to substantiate their history. A way not to forget past errors and abuses they have had to endure just because of their ethnicity. I want this not to be the last we have heard of, those students have every single right to their class and to their textbooks.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ron

        No, they have a right to have access to the material but they do not have a right to have it taught. That is the decision of the school board.

        January 22, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lissa

      Because Polish and Sudanese people weren't living in what is now Arizona when the U.S. claimed all that land in 1848 and forced their culture, language, and economic policies onto Mexican people.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle

      Because arizona was part of mexico, you ignorant.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:30 am | Report abuse |
  74. cacique

    Mexican-American students deserve to know about their history in context with other ethnic groups, and what better if they learn it through the eyes of those whose books were banned. Notice that the writers whose books were taken away are mostly Hispanic writers of Mexican descent, with the exception of Freire a Brazilian, Bigelow and Peterson who found it important to write their history report.
    If this is not censorship based on racisim nothing is, those students wish to and must learn about their past through the concerted effort of an academic program. It is something nobody should be affraid of, yet it pretty much looks like Arizona just turned itself into a facist state with tints of nazism by trying to eradicate and hide the right of students, especifically Mexican-Americans to discover their past.

    Shame on the Arizona government and those obtuse school districts that did not defend the right of their students.
    And above all, the Arizona voters who supported such a coward measure of discrimination!!!

    January 22, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dennis610

      The books are neither banned nor is this move racist. They are free to read the books on their own, the rest of us aren't interested in subsidizing their anti American viewpoints however...

      January 22, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Chickenlivers

        Anything told from a different perspective must be considered anti-american now right? Get a grip.

        January 22, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • cacique

        It is not an anti-American sentiment, it is to learn about the steps those before us had to take in order to get here. And yes, many of those steps were sour and very unpleasant, so much, they most not be forgotten. Especially, as many were steps during which dispossetion took place. That history must be said from the Mexicn-American point of view. In the future, when the Mexican-Americans become the absolute majority,we must remember that the way we were treated was not fair at all, and therefore, it must not be repeated. Instead, a policy of equality must be followed to honor those who saw Mexican-Americans as equal.

        January 22, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • David

        Dennis It does seem hateful to over look the history of exploitation that is a part of US history. AZ does not have a very good record of what I would call POSITIVE race, ethnic, or human rights thought or action!
        The sad part about this, the Mexican-Americans, the Native Americans, Black Americans, and every other descriminated minority group understands this – it is just bigoted Whites who don't want to be reminded of it!
        But justice will be bone, thru peaceful means involving us all moving together forward, or maybe less peaceful means, but then bigots like you will be left behind!
        In case you haven't noticed, the exploitation practiced by many of the rich, connected, in parts of the White race is NOT ACCEPTABLE any more change or watch your culture and your ideas DIE – probably the best place for those evil thoughts and ideas

        January 22, 2012 at 5:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dennis610

        David

        Just the way you write about "bigoted whites" lets me know you are of the same mindset these books promote. Not that I can prove it to you, but Im not white. Im actually, wait for it... a Mexican-American! Although I prefer to just call myself an American. The US gov has offered me extra opportunities over that of my white counter parts simply b/c of the color of my skin. Im both thankful for the opportunities and saddened by the thought of someone being denied the same because he/she is white. Thats justice to people like you, punish them for the crimes of their great, great, great, grandparents eh? You can keep your self righteous post, you are probably just another white guy with a guilt complex founded on a liberal arts education at a progressive college. If I want to know more about my ethnic history I will read about it myself. I don't need everyone to be forced to sit through it to make me feel better.

        January 22, 2012 at 5:51 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Dennis610

    When you attend school in Mexico they teach history from a pro-American bent too! Oh wait, no they don't. Only in America do we use tax payer funding to subsidize programs that teach people to resent us. Bravo!

    January 22, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chickenlivers

      Sorry to break it to you, but no country is perfect. Luckily here in America we try to take views from all sides of an issue. That makes America different and awesome. You clearly don't get that.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      Dennis, you do protest too much!
      Are you one of those bigots and exploiters you are afraid the truth will come out, maybe reveal your pointed hood? Have you been to any goo cross burnings lately?
      You FOOL, the minorities already understand bigots like you pretty well, it might be good for the White kids to hear the truth for a while!

      January 22, 2012 at 5:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dennis610

        I am a minority brain child. Of course you knew that... I will take my bigoted Mexican-American self to another blog..

        January 22, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Eastvillage

    Yawn. You want to empower these youth? Have them study and excel at ENGLISH because that's this country's language.

    January 22, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stephen

      No. If you want kids to succeed, teach them to be critical thinkers so that they can reason and avoid logical fallacies. An example of a logical fallacy is concluding that this class is mutually exclusive with English. Moreover, I fail to see how getting students to read additional books written in English doesn't help accomplish your goal of improving English literacy.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
  77. Chet

    Who the hell cares about this. Move on. This is America and it's ours. If they don't like it, go back across the border and stay there. Please.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • demeurj

      "Who the hell cares about this. Move on. This is America and it's ours. If they don't like it, go back across the border and stay there. Please."

      --

      I know this may be lost on many of you but here goes. You do realize that people LIVED in the southwest BEFORE colonization? Maricopa County (the one with the bigot sheriff) is named after a friggin' tribe with lands throughout the region. Many of the "funny sounding" names in Arizona are derived from the natives that LIVED there for millenia. I know it's shocking for some but history exists prior to 1776.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mark

        Prior to 1776, what was the place? Europeans made this place great, providing ingenuity through medical breakthroughs, transportation, communication, housing, you name it. You shouldn't meddle with teaching AMERICAN history because you have an ax to grind. I respect contributions from all cultures, but if Chicano history books are promoting the overthrow of the American government because they think Europeans stole their land, then it's time to yank the books out of the school. America is what it is and there's no going back. It's time to let go and work hard to achieve your own personal accomplishments.

        January 22, 2012 at 5:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      Chet – you are the moron! In many places the minorities are now the majority, why don't you get off the plantation abd come into the 21st century!
      Besides, we White Americans have done a pretty good job screwing not just the minorities but our own country, in the process impoverishing all of us. Good ole GW saw to that! The White establishment is responsible for the Great Recession

      January 22, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle

      This is not america, it's the united states of america. America is the whole continent. Also i want to present you a couple of native american friends that would gladly kick you out of THEIR LAND.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:32 am | Report abuse |
  78. JEM

    History classes in American schools are useless. If you want to learn history, tune your TV to the HISTORY CHANNEL.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • McBain05

      Unfortunately the history channel has become enamored with that Ancient Aliens bunk.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
  79. JEM

    Our education system needs to be privatized.
    Vote YES on school vouchers.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
  80. Walker

    So much for America.... The Joke of the World

    January 22, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      how bout the donkey show

      January 22, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
  81. As per the usual

    Who's version of "History" do we read????? I can't imagine the Latino version is any more or less impartial than the bias forced on us by the mega book vendors.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • McBain05

      Which is why they shouldn't remove those books. If they don't wanna teach the class; fine. But, don't scoop up books and hide them. All sides of history should be read... its just good scholarship.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • HWB

        Suck it up and buy your own book. Learn what they teach in school. Want to learn something else, buy your own book and study on your own. Who the hell do these stupid Latinos think they are????????????????

        January 22, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Hi Stupid Latino reporting for duty! McBain, stupid people don't generally complain about a lack of access to learning.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
  82. D

    Mexican history is important to learn when you think about it. Mexico was a Spanish colony then Mexico kicked them out, after that Mexico had weapons until the French conquered Mexico (around the Civil War) after that there was the American-Mexican war which would of been harder for America to win if Mexico wasn't unarmed. So there you have it, how Mexican history influenced America.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Seidan

      It took you one paragraph to explain that, is that really worthy of a class? That content could and should be covered in a regular social studies / history course.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • D

        No duh, that was just a summary.

        January 22, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Seidan, Yes you figured it out! You know the Guinness Book of World Records just cited Mexico as the country with the least amount of history ever! If you ever go to Mexico you see people that barely move. Kind of slow mo like in the Matrix movies when Keanu Reeves dodges bullets in slow motion.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:11 pm | Report abuse |
  83. GeebusRubsMeh

    One thing is clear from the postings here, ignorant rubes resent anyone else being anything other than an ignorant rube. 30 years after the foundation of the American "Let's Get Stupid" movement, Americans couldn't find their own elbows in the dark without a flashlight and a two week head start.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Joshua

    First I would like to say, the arguement most of you trying to fix that, we are taught German American history or Irish or whatever. Since the land isnt from Germany or other groups but has deep roots in Spanish/Spanish Mexican history, its a legit to learn about the soil youre on. Secondly, if 60 percent of the people in the school are of hispanic background (article says 60) then you dont think they will wonder, hey, I'm not white, where did I come from? Did my parents come on the mayflower? Next, why would these kids learn his subject on their own time? Education is suppose to help children understand their culture and if their culture comes from war and manifest destiny, then they should know, what will we tell blacks? Africa isnt part of America, therefore we're just going to talk about white men you dont come from. Whats next? We forget about native Americas? Since this country is a melting pot, all histories should be taught, so we never fall in the same pattern again! I asked my teacher one, why is there black history month but no white history month? She answered me, because every other month is white history month.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • ryan

      firstly, there can only be so much ciriculum taught in schools. its already being limited by "No Child Left Behind" and budgets. Budgets are good, govt choosing school ciriculum is bad. However... if you want to talk about maintaining systematic segragation, then by all means lets have a "black history month" and lets have a class based on "chicano history", because we'd all like to hear how special we are as a race instead of individuals achievements and things that matter in our lives today as a WHOLE. (for those who dont get it, thats sarcasm). People, lets teach history for what it is.. and leave ourselves out of it.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
  85. Scott

    Does this mean Mexican history can't be taught in Social Studies classes along with the history of other countries? Why not? American kids are going to be competing in a global economy whether people like it or not. The more they know about other cultures, and the more languages they can speak, the better able they will be to get jobs in the future.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Seidan

      Because Mexico is such an economic powerhouse?

      January 22, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • D

        Yeah they're the 7th oil producer on Earth, 2 strongest economy in Latin America/ 12th richest country on Earth (richer than Canada), a lot of mineral wealth, a tourism country and home to the best Coca-Cola drink on Earth.

        January 22, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • JEM

        It would not surprise me to see Mexico pass the US within the next 20 years.

        January 22, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tasha

      If what D said were true there wouldn't be twenty million illegals here.

      January 22, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Didn't you know? Mexico is very rich. Mexicans just like to come to live in America to experience the hospitality!

        January 22, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
  86. K C

    Ok, If I, a european of Immagrant Parentage go to live in Mexico or any other south american country they WILL NOT TEACH ME ANY THING ABOUT AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN STUDIES. So, Go home if you dont like it. Or anti up your green back bills and pay for it yourselves. Enough said.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Martina

      You really should work on your English grammar before posting.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • nicinnc

      How would you know? Have you ever been to school in another country? Virtually all of them teach some aspect of American history and the English language. Whatever school you failed to graduate from in this country obviously did not teach you much. Check your spelling idiot. When the red line appears under the word you've just typed, it is wrong. We won't even go into the sentence structure of your post. It's sad. So let's start a new trend: If you are stupid and you can't speak or write in your own native tongue past a 4th grade level, then just don't. Don't post at all. Deal?

      January 22, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • pronoun

        American schools teach world history, which should contain all the hispanic studies you need. and african studies and swedish studies

        January 22, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Blosm2431

      Sorry K C. I have to agree with NICINNC. We could learn a lot from the educational systems of other countries. And by the way, some of these students from the article have ancestors that were here long before your European counter-parts. And, we study all about our european ancestors all through school. So your argument was not only completely racist but it was completely void of facts.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lily

      actually, I'm an American citizen who attended a Mexican school for 7 years- we did a lot of world history, with a huge focus on American history (American revolution, civil war, world wars, vietnam, reagan, etc.)

      January 22, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Dang! KC did you just invent your own language!

      January 22, 2012 at 10:05 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Neutral

    Why can't "Americans" stop seeing themselves as african-Americans, mexican-Americans, or whatever-Americans, and just see themselves as...

    AMERICANS

    How about no more special groups, no more 20 different organizations trying to claim a month as their history month.

    The worst thing that gets in the way of a person is a person isolating themself and playing the victim. Get out of your own way and be happy just to be here. If the first word you use to describe yourself is as being from another geopolitical region, then go back there and leave America to the Americans.

    No skin color is required, no ancestry is required, no religion is required to be American, why is it not enough just to be American?

    January 22, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dusty Johnson

      Just AMERICANS? What on earth is that? What does an American look like? What is American culture? The premise of this nation is not to make us all great, grey nothings. The United States is the one place on earth where we should be able to take part in classes of this sort, to walk into a room of thirty different races and know that each one has completely equal footing. Too many of my students are told in every way possible that their particular racial group is substandard, but in my classroom I greet them in thirty different languages for the word hello.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • D

        Totally agree. America isn't grey, you can't say all American looks white or black or Hispanic, you can't say we are only part of one religion, have one language and that is what makes America so great.

        January 22, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • GoPatriots

        Greeting students in 30 different languages is part of the problem. Protection of illegal aliens and ignoring their damaging impact on this country, particularly Latin American's, is short sighted and naive. Most Latin countries are abject failures. Now the bleeding heart liberals and business focused conservatives are importing these ideolgies and the resultant pverty and crime.

        January 22, 2012 at 4:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mark

        You are poison to America, period. That's the reason why we have so much in-fighting. Immigrants don't want to ASSIMILATE. There's one nation, one military, one President, one flag. We are ONE nation of AMERICANS, or we should be just One. However, perpetuating differences among races promotes division and strife, and if you doubt that, look at various ethnic enclaves popping up around the US that don't do anything but keep to themselves.

        January 22, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      You don't really sound neutral to me. It kind of sounds like: don't talk about race, and don't teach all of your history. It's easier to avoid topics of race when a person does not face tangible obstacles in their lives specifically because of their race.
      It is truly naive to believe that racism doesn't exist. By not teaching people about race and racism it is like pretending racism does not exist. Racism is real. It has affected me personally and I wouldn't wish it to be experienced by anyone. You can not address a problem if hide it.

      January 22, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Mark, What is American Culture?

      January 22, 2012 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Nino

    Let's get upset when subjects like math and science are removed from the curriculum. These classes are nice to have whenever the economy isn't doing so poorly.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      I agree. Proficiency in science and math is what students need. Honestly, I wouldn't pay for my child's college education if they wanted to obtain a humanities degree because they couldn't find a decent job that sustains them to build a future, family, etc.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
  89. pronoun

    Why are ethnic studies being taught at these levels? Those are university classes. Do they also teach mechanical engineering?

    January 22, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nino

      I totally agree with you.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • ljhays

      What is your basis for your statement about the academic level of ethnic studies? I suspect that our children will make better choices as adults if they are allowed at an early age to see the world from more than one point of view.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • pronoun

        and they will get a better understanding of math and engineering if we start teaching that in 1st or 2nd grade. why are ethnic studies(traditionally a college curriculum) taught in jr high school but pre-med is not. Maybe more of our bright youngsters would choose a medical field if they had an understanding of that. These children should be learning math and english (as in how to write a proper research paper) rather than why they should resent people of other races. If you want this kind of education, would you be prepared to eliminate costly athletic programs to pay for it?

        January 22, 2012 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kyle

      Why wait till college? because most of these kids wont go to college. And why is that you say? because our government spent more money on wars than on education.

      January 23, 2012 at 12:36 am | Report abuse |
  90. roadrnr

    This is just another example that the mindset is in " ethnicity" . This is racist.

    January 22, 2012 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Are you really sure it's racist? I mean, how long and hard have you thought about it. Do you not have your own ethnicity? Are you not swimming in an ocean real life artifacts of your history? Malls, elks clubs, movies, etc.? Do you not see that you are a member of a mainstream ethnicity yourself? I suppose you weren't raised by wolves in the wilderness far from human communities. Educate yourself about yourself. Study.

      January 22, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
  91. An American

    Lables do nothing but cause problems and seperate pepole. We are all americans, black white, mexican, sick, poor. Lables are nothing but away for the politicans on any side to win votes. We need to stick together and take back what this country is all about. The ability to make something of yourself, even a victim if that is what you want. To be sucessful is also a choice.

    A Native american whos ancestry was here before anyone.

    January 22, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • ric

      America is not just about assimilating..Its also about many different cultures coming together and learning to live side by side in peace..To suddenly forget your ancestry and magicaly become American only is not easy for those which a riich heritage. If I were to become completely American, I would only eat fattening food, speak only one langauage, and limit myself to the type of music I listen to , etc..boring..

      January 22, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
  92. roadrnr

    Remember the Alamo!! That's all they need to know.

    January 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      The revolt by white immigrants into Texas, which was Mexican territory, was because many brought their slaves with them, and slavery was illegal in Mexico. Those who fought and died at the Alamo were fighting for an independence from Mexico that would permit slavery in Texas once free of enlightened Mexican law. Davy Crocket and the rest, it is fair to say, died in the cause of expanding slavery. Sorry, but those are the facts. Remember the Alamo indeed, but do so correctly.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Alamo, what's that? My education was stiffed by budget cuts. Having a hard time even just getting the racist perspective taught to me in school. Woa, the bad economy. Pity the student who can hardly learn the factually incorrect, politically self serving morass of mass indoctrination. Budget cuts so bad I can hardly be taught about how the Native American was reduced to a footnote in US History Education. So bad the cuts, didn't learn about how sterilized the tale of US participation in the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade. Don't worry in 80 years no one will even remember that we invaded Iraq. Twice.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
  93. MikeBigD

    People in power deciding what education is and what it is not allowed to be is a basic tenet of the Taliban. Some things just can't pass the smell test.

    January 22, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      Smell like poopy to me! We've already adopted the Taliban's pedagogy in to the textbook writing process. Why not have them over to live in a red state so they can trade tales of how hate novelty.

      January 22, 2012 at 10:03 pm | Report abuse |
  94. joe

    SHOOT TO KILL

    January 22, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      I forgive you.

      January 22, 2012 at 8:55 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Henry Miller

    "I feel really disheartened," said Maria Therese Mejia, a senior at Tucson Magnet High School. "Those are our history, you know? It's ridiculous for them to be taking away our education."

    Nothing is keeping Ms. Mejia from buying her own copy of whatever books it pleases her to read.

    I was born in Germany and came here at the age of six. It never once occurred to me, in all my years in American schools, to complain that they weren't teaching "German-American" history.

    Those whose ancestry is Mexican really need to get over the arrogant assumption that the rest of the country is required to acknowledge that fact.

    January 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeBigD

      What part of Germany ever was part of what is Arizona now?

      January 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dennis

        The part that emigrated to the U.S.

        January 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • roadrnr

      The problem is very evident with this so called student. They want to be Mexicans inside of America, instead of being Americans.

      January 22, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • D

        Is't that what America is all about? A collection of different cultures all living under one nation and we inspire to the people to feel the freedom to live freely? Like Muslim girls can wear their cultural dress, the Scottish can play their music, the Hispanics can celebrate their traditions, all religions flourish here. Because this is America!

        January 22, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • Individual

        D-exactly, it's individual. What an individual chooses to wear or do is what they choose to do. Not what someone forces on them or expects them to do. More emphasis needs to be placed on basics rather than continuing to single out races with classes like these. School create segregation with classes like these instead of healing it. Proper English on all fronts is disappearing, simple math can't be accomplished without the use of a calculator, violence rages in the classrooms, and all we are worried about is "Why can't my race be more special than others?"

        January 22, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Roadrnr, real quick. Write me a paragraph on what is defined as American Culture.

        January 22, 2012 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Personally

      This is what happens when you allow foreigners to administer and oversee themselves. They chip away until they build their own little continent right where they stand – even if it is on someone else's territory. Maybe this is the reason why they are shoved at the bottom of the country and in the process of being bordered off. It is the "if you give a mouse a cookie" syndrome. It never ends – cant turn your back on them and expect them to do what is right – right meaning "American".

      January 22, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve L

        @ Personally – I agree totally. Just look at history. When you Europeans landed on our shores, you did not assimlate but demanded your own language, your own law and your own religion. Now we find ourselves marginalized in our own lands.

        January 22, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        Oh? And your ancestors, whenever their enthic or cultural or linguistic group had a majority, did not do the same thing?
        Did your ancestors not push out native languages and culture, and impose or establish their own? Surely, "turnabout is fair play."

        January 22, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Hi Personally, It's great to hear from other Native American activists like yourself! I've shared your concerns about the Europeans crossing the pond and setting up shop on OUR land! Can't have them Euros coming over hear, growing their wheat, wearing those funny tri-cornered hats. It just rubs my bum when I hear wagons and see their stinky horses. Send em Back!

        January 22, 2012 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Very true, very true. I'm latino and I'm often struck at just how immoral I am. I usually am looking to run over the neighbor's cat, and steal candy from children in the park. Help me, oh please help me. I need the moral guidance of the wise, moral white man to correct my evil brown ways.

        January 22, 2012 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • truprogress

      I'm also German American. I'm sure you're experience of growing up in the majority culture was nothing like those of Latinos in Arizona, and I also guarantee you that every remaining book in that school is written from an Anglo-Saxon perspective. People mistakenly think that the Anglo Saxon perspective is somehow 'standard' or 'neutral.' We're not a mono-cultural society and different perspectives should be taught.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Michael Leonardo

        "We have to destroy capitalism, and we have to help five-sixths of the world to destroy
        capitalism in order to equal all people's lives." This is a quote from one of the books pulled

        January 22, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Hells yeah! Listen up folks, how's this for multi-cultural? I'm Mexican, Irish, German, Lebanese and Spanish all rolled up into one person! Yes, that means I celebrate Cinco de Mayo, St. Patty's Day, Oktoberfest (for obvious reasons), Ramadan, (admittedly, I eat during the day! OOps) and el Dia de San Sebastian! Makes for real interesting conversation. Yo, all the racists out there, I've got this message for you! Get to know me first before you hate on me, not after.

        January 22, 2012 at 9:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      They do teach German-American history...BUT ONLY AS...History of... World War II...This taking of books away is something I remember of WWII history, where The German military leader took all books and burned them...This to me is REAL CLOSE to that. BUT NOW, no matter how any person spins this, this is, and should be classified as censorship to the extreme.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Those who ignore history's lessons...

      Mr. Miller, you are obviously not from Texas, where German-American history is as much a part of the state curriculum as Native-American, African-American, and yes, Mexican-American history. Our Hill Country was settled by German immigrants, and many of the smaller towns and hamlets bear German names – although the names have Americanized pronunciations due to anti-German sentiment, bigotry, and persecution demonstrated during WWI and WWII. Prior to WWI, all state signage was bilingual – English and German . Those signs were removed when Germans became the enemy. Incidentally, did you know that bilingual education was started by German immigrants in Texas – not so that their children could learn English, but so that they would not lose their German heritage? Are you able to speak the language of your parents and grandparents? Yes, we are all Americans, and we have all felt the pain of persecution. For some of us, however, the pain never ends.

      January 22, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Henry Miller

        Actually, I lived in Austin for a number of years and don't recall there was any great emphasis on German history, at least not in AISD (Austin Independent School District) schools. Now, In New Braunfels (a town 40 miles or so south of Austin, for those of you unfamiliar with central Texas), yeah, there's a good bit of German heritage and maybe that was reflected in the schools.

        When I moved here from Heidelberg in 1959, it was to a little town, Lexington, Virginia, in the Shenandoah Valley. Coincidentally, the town once had a strong German presence–my best friend there was a guy named Heilmann, whose family had lived there for a couple hundred years, who lived just down the road from the Straubs, the Vicks (still using the German pronunciation of "Ficks"), and so on–but, even so, what they taught was American history and Virginia history, not German history.

        January 23, 2012 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
  96. Keith Long

    Good for the school district of Tuscon. I know of no schools which teach Irish history, German history or Russian history. Ethnic studies are not necessary to become an educated American.They only serve to teach disrespect for the country you live in.

    January 22, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • ljhays

      Been a while since you've been in a classroom, Keith? I hope it won't upset you to learn that George Washington never chopped down that cherry tree.

      It's virtually impossible to understand the history of any country without learning the history of all countries that have had any influence on it. We spend too many hours in history classes (and in the media) learning about the monarchies of Europe and war, but only an eye blink hearing about the monumental social contributions of people of color (I become invisible in a snow storm, BTW) or of other nationalities not considered "American" enough by whoever is waving the flag today. While we're working above grade level here, you might take a peek at the consequences of inbreeding.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Group, don't separate

        I agree that we need to learn from every aspect what cultures have shaped and influenced America, but they should all be grouped together, NOT individualized.

        January 22, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
  97. jona

    race based education. racist teachers. racist subject matter. It's in every university across the country. Why not Arizona?

    January 22, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ihatehippies

      They made the choice to come to America, they should learn from the American perspective or return to their hovel in Mexico.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • blue

        How dare you paint all those students with your hate filled and bigoted paint brush... how dare you denigrate all Latino people... I wonder what hovel you were brought up in by an ignorant set of parents who told you that it was your right to make these statements... with this kind of censorship by so many ugly americans, soon only white, proper , well funded absolutely provable "born in this country and on this countries soil" will be allowed to exist in the US.. have fun with that... oh, I am a former hippie so have fun hating me..

        January 22, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Do you realize that you, Ihatehippies, also make a choice to be a politically apathetic, disengaged citizen who is in dereliction of civic responsibility? Or more simply put, since you don't bother to know what your elected officials are doing when they pass legislation that directly effects the economies of foreign countries you, in part, responsible for what the politicians are up to. You, by choosing ignorance, are an accomplice to this generation's wave of economic and political turmoil which is partly stoked by the US State Department.

        January 22, 2012 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      I have a question for you Jona. How many of the books banned from this class have you actually read?

      January 22, 2012 at 8:26 pm | Report abuse |
  98. Relictus

    Mexican-American studies is a waste of time. It's fake, just like "Women's studies" and "Sociology". Education is to prepare students for the real world – a world that does not provide jobs for your knowledge of famous Mexican farm workers or prominent feminists. Want to reform education? Get rid of the soft, worthless majors – like Arizona just did with "Mexican-American studies". That class was just wasting time and resources.

    January 22, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • An American

      Its not worthless to be educated, yes its worthless to get a degree to now where, but to be informed about your history is not worthless, in fact it is just the opposite it is priceless. One class teaching students about people who have gone before them is only beneficial to our entire society.
      Now like I said it is worthless to be able to get a degree to nowhere, I dont think anybody should go into that as a major, but it wouldnt hurt to be educated about who came before you and what events led your family to be in a new country.

      January 22, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • D

      Ha first we need to get rid of the even more useless stuff like football and basketball then we trim down on the knowledge of other cultures.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      What did you study?

      January 22, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Christin

      Okay.
      Let's also get rid of History and Paleontology as no one will go live there.
      And also English Literature, who wants to read books now that we can watch TV?

      And no, I am not serious. Those who forget their past are bound to repeat it. Do you really want to repeat genocides, wars, slavery? Actually, you probably do.
      History should not be focused on a single group of people, women and hispanics also live on this planet too. As do blacks, native americans, and many other groups of your fellow human beings.

      January 22, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
  99. Ben

    The Arizonan State Legislature it is now banning this minority study subject, next, they will ban African-American Studies, then most likely if this persist, they will eventually deny African slavery, Mexican-American war of conquest, and the Holocaust didn't exist! This is where Arizona it is heading and nobody seems to care...scary stuff!

    January 22, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Relictus

      You miss the big picture. You want to teach History, then teach History. There is no compelling reason why minorities should be singled out for special classes. They contributed to mankind's story, or .... or they didn't, and namby pamby quotas won't change that fact.

      January 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • An American

        Yes it does need to be pointed out in a specific class because the semester is only four months. You cannot teach all of history in 4 months...you are acting very ignorant in each one of your posts. This chicano history is very important to be taught to members of the chicano community.

        January 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Henry Miller

        Well said!

        January 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Henry Miller

        @An American,

        Semesters being so short, it would be unconscionable to waste any appreciable fraction of them teaching such a narrow, inconsequential, branch of history.

        The most concise overview of Western Civilisation of which I'm aware is that by Will and Ariel Durant–eleven volumes, each of about a thousand pages. It's been a number of years since I read it, but I don't recall more than passing mention of latter-day Mexican cultures–there's simply too much history for that to be a significant part of it.

        January 22, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • roadrnr

        The problem here is that the democrats across the nation have changed the word " history" to " social studies". Go on to a high school campus and ask where the history class is held and they will look at you with a glazed look. This November is imperative that we get this country back.

        January 22, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • mikedeang

      Agree 100% with you Ben. Very bad news when political forces are at work to censor education.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dennis

      You don't live in Arizona.How would you know?

      January 22, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael Leonardo

      "We have to destroy capitalism, and we have to help five-sixths of the world to destroy
      capitalism in order to equal all people's lives." A quote from one of the banned books.

      January 22, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Michael, Are you an extraordinarily wealthy person? I'm guessing you're not.

        January 22, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Down with Anti-Capitalists! Who needs seatbelts and fire departments anyway? If we had pure capitalism life wouldn't be recognizable.

        January 22, 2012 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
  100. bribarian

    go back to mexico

    January 22, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      I couldn't agree more, with one condition though...let's send them back with all their old territory altogether!!!

      January 22, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Relictus

        Sour grapes. Conquest is the story of civilization, written by the winners and their descendants.

        January 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Salomon

      Most of the people in Arizona have always been there, even when it WAS Mexico. Besides, we learn World History so why take away our own history? At least Ben acknowledged that it was Mexican territory at one time.

      January 22, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • reasonablebe

      AH, it was part of Mexico BERORE it was part of the US....

      January 22, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • RXB

      Thank you for the extremely intelligent rebuttal.

      January 22, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Gallagher-González

      go back to to europe

      January 22, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Justice

        Better yet go back to mexico – mexican't I was born here along with my ancestors!! We didn't have to swim or crawl here? Bet you can't say the same!

        January 22, 2012 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Hi Justice, I just thought I'd chat with other racists. I think we'd get along since we are both racists, you know. We could go shopping for matching KKK hoods together. But seriously, you ancestors most likely came across the great blue pond in steerage class, to work 16 hour days in sweatshops in the industrial cities of the east coast or midwest. Your great granny probably didn't read at an adult level and your great grand daddy might of died of heavy metal poisoning at the age of 50. But I'm sure you have come a long way. You probably work 40 hrs a week to not be able to save for a decent retirement. You probably don't have most of or any of your real life problems dealt with by your local elected official. And you are probably not confident that your children will have a better standard of living you have. Come to think of it, ARE
        YOU MEXiCAN?

        January 22, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Gallagher-González

        Oh and yes, I was born here.

        January 22, 2012 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • agavemike

        Mr Gonzalez,

        You do realize that your ancestors are from Spain...right?

        January 23, 2012 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Bud

      Arizona, making Texas look tolerant since 2004.

      Seriously what an embarrassing state, can we drop them?

      January 22, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ozzi

        That's the idea Bud. We give back the Southwest to Mexico.

        January 22, 2012 at 10:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Stormfront

        Actually, Arizona's doin it right. Why the hell should they allow illegal immigrants to stay? Illegal immigrant=criminal.

        February 7, 2012 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
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