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Opinion: Why I fight to uphold traditional marriage in Washington
A same-sex marriage bill passed Washington's House and Senate. Rev. Kenneth Hutcherson doesn't approve.
February 8th, 2012
08:41 PM ET

Opinion: Why I fight to uphold traditional marriage in Washington

Editor’s Note: Reverend Kenneth Hutcherson is the senior pastor and founder of Antioch Bible Church in Kirkland, Washington. He is also an author of four books, and a former middle linebacker in the National Football League. Hutcherson is a leading voice in the fight to uphold marriage between one man and one woman in Washington state. He blogs at hutchpost.org.

For an opposing view, click here.

On Wednesday afternoon, Washington's House passed a same-sex marriage bill, 53-43. The state Senate has already passed it, and Gov. Chris Gregoire has promised to sign it. Opponents of  the bill are promising to put the issue on the ballot this November.

By Rev. Kenneth Hutcherson, Special to CNN

(CNN) - Why do I stand so strong in support of traditional marriage? Because I am a pastor of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I am a shepherd that is supposed to lead, feed and protect the flock. Anything the bible says is good for society, I stand on it and I will not compromise on it. What the bible says is good for society has always proven to be good. Anything the bible says is wrong for society has always proven to be wrong.  There have never been any winners in a scenario where society went against what God said would be good.

The Israelites were told not to have any idols before God (Leviticus 26:1.) They did and were thrown into captivity under Nebuchadnezzar. Under Cyrus, the great leader of Persian Empire they were under captivity for 70 years because they disobeyed God.

When I read about Sodom and Gomorrah, I believe God is saying that the right thing to do is for a man and a woman to be in a relationship without sexual sin and if you stray from that, it is very detrimental to society. Sodom and Gomorrah practiced the rampant sexual sin of homosexuality and because of that God brought judgment on the cities and destroyed them with fire because of the sin of homosexuality acts (Genesis 19:1-29.)

Now do I think God brings judgment on a society that encourages homosexuality? I do. And since I am a pastor and God has commanded me to love everyone, I will do what it takes to love them. That does not mean I will accept that they stay the way they are. Unrepentant sin destroys you and will kill you. So if I believe the word of God, that He will bring judgment on a people, then I would be a very bad shepherd not to warn those people.

God said in the Book of Romans that the sin of homosexuality is going against your own self. It is unnatural; nothing is natural about homosexuality. When a man desires another man more than a woman, or when a woman desires a woman more than a man, the bible says that is unnatural and God is against it (Romans 1:24-27.) Here I am as a pastor dealing with what God has said. Homosexuality should not be accepted as just another way of life. Indeed, we have gone way past that in our culture and in every aspect, God has stood against this.

Every community and country that has allowed this sin to be normalized has suffered. Going against God’s Word is not good for society. Many pastors have had to spend time and money defending themselves against religious discrimination. The normalization of sin in society results in other negative consequences such as the deterioration of the health of marriages and the increase in out-of-wedlock births.

Over and over again, the bible has proven the negative consequences to societies that embrace homosexuality as normal. In Canada, same sex marriage has been the law for more than six years. Although a miniscule percent (less than a tenth of one percent) of Canadians have taken advantage of same sex marriage, you cannot speak against homosexuality without being threatened with prosecution for committing a hate crime.  Thus the Bible is true. If you don’t stand against sin it will destroy a society.

The Bible was proven correct again when Massachusetts passed a same sex marriage law. Catholic Services of Boston shut down because it didn’t want to allow same sex couples to adopt children. The state said you will allow same sex couples to adopt or we will not support you. Because of the pressure, they shut down their adoption program. How many innocent children were negatively affected?

A photographer was sued, lost her case and was fined in New Mexico because she did not want to photograph a same sex commitment ceremony.

Now the battle to undermine traditional marriage comes to my state. Because Washington state is one of the most liberal states in the country, I fully expect to see the floodgates of religious discrimination open for people of faith here.

If I say I love people, the bible calls me to stand on the bible. When I get to heaven I don’t care what a pastor or homosexual or a divorcee says to me. I worry about what my God is going to say to me. The only thing I want to hear is “Well done my good and faithful servant,” (Matthew 25:23.)

You stood on my word, you led my sheep, you protected my sheep, and thus you have done a great job.

The opinions expressed are solely those of Rev. Kenneth Hutcherson.

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  1. William Madlocke

    The fact of the matter is that gays and lesbians are an abomination any for society. They lead to the degradation of moral values, they destroy the natural family structure that should be between a man and a woman which is necessary for reproduction. I agree with proposition 8, the reason for marriage is in order to reproduce. Gays have no social value whatsoever, if we are to legalize gay marriages federally then where do we draw the line for morality. If someone wants to get married to an animal will that be allowed because of so called human rights? Gay lifestyles in detrimental to health and society, it is a gross perversion of human relations and the related ills have yet to be factored in. It is Gay today and Beastiality tomorrow. The survival of mankind as we know it is at risk from this Gay and lesbian anarchy revolution. Hollywood is forcing Gays down our throats by desentizing our youth into accepting the "normalcy" of gays and lesbians. Every hollywood show has a gay character(s) in it these days. What a shame! I think that our traditional american christian values will be lost forever due to this scourge of gays and lesbians. I stand in defence of marriage and I am stedfast against this gay insurrection against people of faith. Among the traditional faiths there is not one of them that endorses gays and lesbians. Not one, what are we to say that everybody else is wrong and prejudiced except the gays themselves? That is a fallacy, Gays are more of a problem to the world than global warming

    February 11, 2012 at 9:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      In case anyone is wondering this is the same poster over and over again, everything they are writing about gays in not based on facts but personal prejudices. There are hundred of thousands of experts around the world that TOTALLY disagree with everything that is posted in this garbage. It is well researched that being gay is not a choice, it's not a mental illness, and it can't be voluntarily changed. It's prejudice people like this poster that are the real problem in our society they try and spread hate that is founded in personal prejudice and not in facts. There are thousands of gay churches, there are gay pastors, there are many well know clergy that have gone on record stating that being gay as we know and understand it today is not a sin.

      February 11, 2012 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Skooter McGoo

      Marriage licenses are issued by the state, not the church. No religion is necessary for a marriage to be legal or recognized. I know this FACT upsets you but it true nonetheless.

      February 11, 2012 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Michael J.

      Hutcherson spreads hate and falsehoods. What does that say for the people who follow them.

      FACTS can be easily verified. Hutcherson should try to use facts in his argument.

      Civil marriage is what WA legislatures have passed. Churches are welcome to bless all or none of the civil marriages. However, civil marriage has no religious prerequisite and should be kept separate from holy matrimony.

      February 11, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      Why are they denied marriage in the first place?

      February 28, 2012 at 10:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ann

      "The reason for marriage is in order to reproduce."

      Pre-marital fertility tests, then? Guess my marriage shouldn't have been allowed. Or, anyone else's if they'd had a vasectomy, or uterine cancer, or an injury - or they were old - whatever.

      February 29, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
  2. daniel

    To Mr. YO, again the idiot in you never fails to surface, evidently you are too uneducated to understand how to defend an argument, the premise I pointed out was that there are sufficient social reasons for why being gay is wrong, I mention health risks, and you have no come back to that,I mentioned paedophilia as one of iniating factors of being gay, I have pointed out clearly that even in the jail system most of the rapes are done by GAY inmates. Again you have shown yourself to be stupid by not addressing the premises I raised but simply going back to quoting the famed APA. Please do your own research, you have been watching too much Oprah to even know what social ills are a direct consequence of being gay. How can a man who thinks his a woman be normal, do you even have a brain Mr. Yo? You claimed that gay people can reproduce,where did you do your biology course I have never heard a more stupendous comment in my life. You are officially an idiot. Your so called empirical research is inaccurate as the fact is most gays cannot live with themselves they are often depressed and no it is not because of hate or whatever, there own conscience and nature is against their so called orientation. They live in a constant state of confusion unable to decide where they fit in society, now they want to hijack marriage. People like yourself are the cause of the problem and the treatment should start with idiots like you, get educated. The cure for idiocy is an education go get one.

    February 11, 2012 at 7:51 am | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "the premise I pointed out was that there are sufficient social reasons for why being gay is wrong, I mention health risks, and you have no come back to that,I mentioned paedophilia as one of iniating factors of being gay,"

      You are nothing more than a LIAR everything I have posed was from well founded reports supported by experts around the world. All you are posting is your personal prejudices that are not founded on facts. You are an idiot and if anyone buys your crap their an idiot too. Do yourself a favor and go get some real help for your emotional immaturity.

      February 11, 2012 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
  3. Heather

    Your argument is invalid. You are using examples from the Bible to "prove" the integrity of it itself. You need to apply the concept you are trying to prove of the infallibility of the Bible to examples in reality (if you're even sure what that is.) I would bet this is an impossible task, however.
    Those who lack the ability and intellect to think for themselves will be easily submissive and adaptive to the opinions of established groups.

    February 11, 2012 at 1:39 am | Report abuse |
  4. SearchCz

    A Reverend should know better .. the book the other books of the bible. Jeremiah cites idolatry. Isaiah mentions oppression of the weak and vulnerable. Ezekiel adds too much wealth and not enough concern for the poor. Thats it folks.

    February 10, 2012 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Name Terence

    I love how the religious wingnuts pick and choose verses of the bible they need to price their point.

    Im black and gay and see no difference in the struggle both groups have had to gain equal rights.

    This "preacher" is an idiot. I am so glad the LEGISLATURE of Washington state saw that his words are nothing but foolishness (let's remember he's friends with Rush Limbaugh) and passed the very law he fought against.

    What ever happened to "separation of church and state" anyway?

    February 10, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • daniel

      The separation of church and state does not mean a marriage between GAYS and the State. The state should not enforce or rather force down gay propaganda on people of religious faith. Gays are a social ill period, people like yourself Terence are the reasons for child molestations, a paedophiles and AIDS. So before boasting about your orientation you should consider what your type of people are like. And by the way there is a HUGE difference between the black civil rights movement and this new found Gay revolution which is trying to persecute people of religious faiths.

      February 11, 2012 at 7:59 am | Report abuse |
      • Yo!

        "Gays are a social ill period,"

        You are so full of crap, they are produce members in our communities, they have families and deserve the same civil rights as everyone else. What is an ill on our society is stupid people like you spreading hate and prejudice that is not based on real facts but a bunch of lies.

        February 11, 2012 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
      • ellid

        Wrong from beginning to end. Shame on you.

        February 12, 2012 at 9:23 am | Report abuse |
      • David in Houston

        You've obviously never even met a gay people in your entire life. So everything you're spewing is from ignorance and bigotry that you've been taught. I really feel sorry for you. You're going to live your entire life hating people you don't even know... and that have never done anything to you personally. You really are pathetic.

        February 12, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Wayne Johnson

    Face it: Jesus was gay.

    Face it haters, Jesus was gay. According to the Bible, there was one special loved one in Jesus's life and that person was a man. That man was the author of the gospel of John. He and Jesus publicly displayed their affection – what they did at the Last Supper would get them kicked out of the Chik-Fil-A and beaten up and killed in the parking lot (in his case, they nailed him to a cross). While Jesus was dying, he asked his mother and this man to treat each other as mother and son, and they did.

    February 10, 2012 at 6:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • daniel

      Mr.Johnson, The IDIOT OF ALL IDIOTS. Your comment are sacrilegious and blasphemous, you have no respect for the christian faith and so I will have no respect for you. You dont even have a clue who Jesus is, animals like yourselves should refrain from commenting as you are not intelligent enough to make a proper case for your gay bandwagon. Jesus WAS NOT GAY AS YOU CLAIMED, you are just an idiot who is too stupid to defend a losing case. there is no case for gay people, this type of lifestyle should not be encouraged as it breeds paedophiles, sodomites and criminals. Just have a look at the jail system and see what the Gay inmates are like they are rapist the whole bunch of them. The solution for gays is that they need to be quarantined or placed under a psychiatric evaluation. Being gay is one of the worst if not the worst social ill there is. To COLOSSAL IDIOTS like yourself I say get educated you are so brainwashed I don't even think you have a brain. Your mother could have done a better job than bring an idiot such as you into the world.

      February 11, 2012 at 8:14 am | Report abuse |
      • Yo!

        "Being gay is one of the worst if not the worst social ill "

        The experts around the world disagree with you – you are the LIAR!

        February 11, 2012 at 10:58 am | Report abuse |
      • Max

        "S. Your comment are sacrilegious and blasphemous, you have no respect for the christian faith"

        I will tell you why Christianity has lost so much respect - bullies and outright terrorists wearing your cross and spouting your rhetoric hurt, abuse, and even kill people who they have identified as "sinful." NOBODY HAS EVER ASKED for your church's permission to exist, and NOBODY EVER WILL. Your opinion of my personal morals is not required, and you may respectfully keep it to yourself. Keep your bigoted opinions and hateful rhetoric away from me and mine, and I'll do the same.

        February 11, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bob

        "Jesus WAS NOT GAY AS YOU CLAIMED" How would you know Mr. Daniel? Did you know the man? Does the bible mention Jesus having a relationship with a woman? Do not bring personal belief into an argument, but I am not saying Jesus was gay either because I did not know the man either. Thank you for your time.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Brian

    I stopped at: "Anything the bible says is good for society, I stand on it and I will not compromise on it. What the bible says is good for society has always proven to be good. Anything the bible says is wrong for society has always proven to be wrong."
    One word: Leviticus.
    Why is CNN giving this guy an outlet for his insane ramblings?

    February 10, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • travisell

      Isn't that a bit simplistic Brian? I know the arguments out of Leviticus may seem troublesome to you but when taken into the full story of God told in the Bible, the laws are there not to enslave or to legalize people but to show how trivial the law is and how necessary Jesus is because man cannot keep all the laws.

      Leviticus isn't about legalizing people, it's about revealing the depth of sin and the need for Jesus.

      February 10, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Clive Baker

    CNN are you really this stupid?

    February 10, 2012 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Chad Bylsma

    Why is CNN giving space to this bigot?

    February 10, 2012 at 5:27 pm | Report abuse |
  10. daniel

    To Mr. Yo, do you even know what scientific or empirical research means? Don't use terms you dont understand, the fact is that paedophiles if they are male often rape boys and are often victims of rape themselves uh it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that the abuse in their lives lead them to be gay, look at Tyler perry for example, he was abused by men and in his teenhood he felt confused, again please show one gay person who is truly happy with himself. They are probably the most depressed individuals on the planet and most of them have contemplated suicide. IDIOCY has been promoted by your uninformed responses, please check your IQ, you obviously don't have one. You maybe have a DQ, a dumb quotient.LOL

    February 10, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "Yo, do you even know what scientific or empirical research means? Don't use terms you dont understand, the fact is that paedophiles"

      I was quoting the research moron. Keep proving what an idiot you are.

      February 10, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "contemplated suicide."

      The only ones that do that are ones that are harassed and bullied by people like you who's hatred and prejudice is not founded on real facts. Your are part of the problem, not the solution. Grow up.

      February 10, 2012 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chad Bylsma

      "...again please show one gay person who is truly happy with himself."

      That's easy: ME

      February 10, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      I'm very happy as a gay man. And not "fake happy." Happy as in truly happy with my life, my choices, my goals, and my future. For you to think that you have the authority to tell every gay person that they are not "truly" happy is disgusting and so sickeningly self-righteous that it makes me want to puke. Being gay is only a small aspect of my life that doesn't define my personality or my happiness. Get off your high horse and worry about your own happiness.

      February 10, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      People like you make life a living hell for anyone different than you, then when we have suicides and depression, you say it proves your case. The whippings must continue until morale improves, right?

      February 11, 2012 at 12:51 am | Report abuse |
  11. daniel

    To Mr YO idiocy, I reply again "how does a couple reproduce when one of them is infertile" to compare infertility among a normal couple to a GAY or LESBIAN couple is mind boggling stupid, again we are dealing with an elementary educated individual who cannot form a premise for his arguments, straight couples can reproduce naturally, can a gay couple reproduce NO, and it is not because they are infertile, ARE YOU AN IDIOT or something how can that be an argument? do you even know what gay is? oh wait go look it up at your expert panel, GEE WIZ, maybe you need to go redo your high school biology you obviously don't understand the "birds and the bees" concept, and about paedophiles a lot of them claim they were born that way, uh that sounds similar to what most gay people are saying is it not. Please Mr. YO go back to school you obviously missed a few important biology lessons, I feel like I am responding to a mentally incompetent individual A.K.A stupdid

    February 10, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "I reply again "how does a couple reproduce when one of them is infertile" to compare infertility among a normal couple to a GAY or LESBIAN couple is mind boggling stupid, again"

      LOL You are such an idiot. Gay and Lesbians have children, the fact you can't figure that out is hysterical. Your rants just keep proving your prejudice is founded in stupidity and not facts.

      February 10, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
  12. daniel

    To Mr. Yo possibly you are incompetent and forming an argument, your only reference is the APA, wow, is that you answer for everything look up at the APA,what gay person do you know who is literally happy with themselves? possibly none that is why it takes them so long to get out of the closet, because their own conscience is against it, but again I wouldn't expect you to understand possibly because of your elementary education, this is possibly to advanced for you, why don't you look up to the APA and get the statistics on how STDs exist among gay people, being gay is a health risk, if you are gay you will find that out trust me. Look at the history of the HIV and AIDS epidemic it started among gay people. are you going to deny that also? Being gay is bad for society it creates very dangerous health diseases and it is amoral, where do you draw the boundry, would beastiality be right in your eyes. please educate yourself dude, you are pathetic

    February 10, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "Look at the history of the HIV and AIDS epidemic it started among gay people. are you going to deny that also? Being gay is bad for society it creates very dangerous health diseases and it is amoral, where do you draw the boundry, would beastiality be right in your eyes. please educate yourself dude, you are pathetic"

      Wow the prejudice and bigotry in these statements are appalling. Wow are you an idiot, AIDS didn't start in the gay community moron, keep showing the world how clueless you are on this subject. By the way animals can't consent either the lame arguments you are using just show you'll make up any excuse to justify your prejudices even though they are not founded in real facts. By the way idiot, the APA is made up of 154,000 members, APA is the largest association of psychologists worldwide.

      February 10, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • daniel

        There is nothing prejudice about my statements, it is a known fact to most educated people that AIDS was formerly known as Gay Immunity deficiency syndrome, if you don't believe me why don't you google it. I am not a bigot but like I said there is not only religious reasons for gays being bad but also social reasons in terms of health risks. Again education is key, please get educated and don't simply absorb what you see on TV about gays being normal that is BS. Again most paedophiles are gay by the way, they rape children of the same gender usually and you can search that up at your panel of expert the "renown APA."If you need more facts e-mail me and I will send you a bucket load of facts.

        February 10, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Yo!

        "Again most paedophiles are gay by the way,"

        Still showing the world you're an idiot. The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children.There is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. Many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children.

        February 10, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      "Look at the history of the HIV and AIDS epidemic "

      From the APA – The HIV/AIDS pandemic is another area in which prejudice and discrimination against lesbian, gay, and bisexual people have had negative effects. Early in the pandemic, the assumption that HIV/AIDS was a “gay disease” contributed to the delay in addressing the massive social upheaval that AIDS would generate.. The association of HIV/AIDS with gay and bisexual men and the inaccurate belief that some people held that all gay and bisexual men were infected served to further stigmatize lesbian, gay, and bisexual people.

      February 10, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pat

      "Look at the history of the HIV and AIDS epidemic"

      FYI – The most commonly accepted theory is that of the 'hunter'. In this scenario, SIVcpz was transferred to humans as a result of chimps being killed and eaten or their blood getting into cuts or wounds on the hunter. Normally the hunter's body would have fought off SIV, but on a few occasions it adapted itself within its new human host and became HIV-1. The fact that there were several different early strains of HIV, each with a slightly different genetic make-up (the most common of which was HIV-1 group M), would support this theory: every time it passed from a chimpanzee to a man, it would have developed in a slightly different way within his body, and thus produced a slightly different strain.

      February 10, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Steve

    Why is is that there is no real HARD evidence anywhere in this opinion? Quoting the Bible is evidence of nothing LEGAL. Get with it.

    February 10, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
  14. surfsouthbay

    Although I have different reasons than the author, I still believe "marriage" is between man and woman. If gays want to have a similar union then fine, just call it somehting else. Have the same rights and everything, but to call it marriage just still doesn't seem right to me, I think we should still be encouraging a traditional family since thats what works. By opening the meaning of marriage you lose that. You can agree or disagree with my opinions I can care less, just want to voice them. I personally feel that the extreme liberal side of things dont work..just as I feel the same about the extreme conservative side. Were I live it is extremely liberal and the divorce rate is 68%. There has been numerous studies to back up that a childs ideal upbringing is in a household with a traditional mother and father figure. Why is it so bad to embrace this and try to keep these traditional values?

    February 10, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • surfsouthbay

      Also, for those of you comparing black to gay...there is a big difference. I am not stating my opinion here I am stating research I have read and was told by psychiatrists I have worked with. Being gay is a very undecided thing in the psychological community. Some feel it is a mental dissorder some feel it is biological. There is no indecision about wethere being black is biological or not.

      February 10, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • Alexander

        What if I said that black people are inferior beings to white? Historically, many scientists "proved" this using physiological and psychological "data"...

        February 10, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • surfsouthbay

        well, Alexander id say your a f@#king retard just like this yo guy.

        February 10, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Linda

        "well, Alexander id say your a f@#king retard just like this yo guy."

        You sir are not a Christian that is for sure. Grow up.

        February 10, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • surfsouthbay

        I never stated I was a christian.

        February 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • surfsouthbay

        The simple fact that this guy tried to sway the initial comment to something totally different is proof enough that my retaliation (be it probably immature and inappropriate) isnt far off base

        February 10, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Yo!

        "Some feel it is a mental dissorder"

        Since the laws have been change because it was proved it's not a mental disorder proves you are wrong.

        February 10, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • MT

      I've been saying that same thing.... Call it something else with the same rights and benifits and the debate SHOULD go away. I'm so glad to hear someone else expressing that view.

      February 10, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "I think we should still be encouraging a traditional family since thats what works. "

      The experts disagree with you and have proven gay family's are just as normal as straight ones. All you are doing is trying to say it's ok but you're still not equal. Would you do the same thing to women and African Americans bigot.

      February 10, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • surfsouthbay

        Mr yo-yo. show me some facts to back that statement up. I can put a slew of articles and case studies on here to back up everything i just stated.

        February 10, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Yo!

        The APA is made up of hundred of thousands of experts say that. The fact you don't know that shows you were to lazy to do your homework.

        “In summary, social science has shown that the concerns often raised about children of lesbian and gay parents—concerns that are generally grounded in prejudice against and stereotypes about gay people—are unfounded. Overall, the research indicates that the children of lesbian and gay parents do not differ markedly from the children of heterosexual parents in their development, adjustment, or overall well-being.”

        Notice the prejudice and stereotyping part because that is talking about people like you!

        February 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • daniel

        Mr.Yo what you stated is inaccurate, you have proven yourself to be uneducated and possibly in need of psychiatric evaluation, how come you say gays and lesbians have families, how do they reproduce? Please man did you even do biology in school? Being gay is a mental illness, why would any normal person male or female be attracted to the same gender, opposites attract it is a physics concept, you connect your plug from positive to negative that how you get current. Even in nature there is no Gay or lesbian animal. I have never heard a more stupendous comment. Please get your facts straight. Being gay is not only devilish it is unhealthy hence all these STDs such as AIDs and etc. So it should be discouraged intensely as a life style. NO ONE IS BORN GAY, THAT IS A LOAD OF BS>

        February 10, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Yo!

        "Being gay is a mental illness, why would any normal person male or female be attracted to the same gender, opposites attract it is a physics concept, you connect your plug from positive to negative that how you get current."

        The ignorance and stupidity of people is just astounding all the major world organization disagree with you. The APA is made up of 150,000 experts and have stated that being gay is NOT a mental illness. Wow you are an idiot.

        February 10, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Erik

        "NO ONE IS BORN GAY, THAT IS A LOAD OF BS>"

        All major medical professional organizations concur that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed, from gay to straight or otherwise. The American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and European Psychological, Psychiatric, and Medical Associations all agree with this, as does the World Health Organization and the medical organizations of Japan, China, and most recently, Thailand. Furthermore, attempts to change one's sexual orientation can be psychologically damaging, and cause great inner turmoil and depression, especially for Christian gays and lesbians.

        Reparative therapy, also called conversion therapy or reorientation therapy, "counsels" LGBT persons to pray fervently and study Bible verses, often utilizing 12-step techniques that are used to treat sexual addictions or trauma. Such Christian councilors are pathologizing homosexuality, which is not a pathology but is a sexual orientation. Psychologically, that's very dangerous territory to tread on. All of the above-mentioned medical professional organizations, in addition to the American and European Counseling Associations, stand strongly opposed to any form of reparative therapy.

        In my home country, Norway, reparative therapy is officially considered to be ethical malpractice. But there are many countries that do not regulate the practice, and many others that remain largely silent and even passively supportive of it (such as the Philippines). Groups that operate such "therapy" in the Philippines are the Evangelical Bagong Pag-asa, and the Catholic Courage Philippines.

        The scientific evidence of the innateness of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism is overwhelming, and more peer-reviewed studies which bolster this fact are being added all the time. Science has long regarded sexual orientation – and that's all sexual orientations, including heterosexuality – as a phenotype. Simply put, a phenotype is an observable set of properties that varies among individuals and is deeply rooted in biology. For the scientific community, the role of genetics in sexuality is about as "disputable" as the role of evolution in biology.

        On the second point, that there is no conclusion that there is a "gay gene," they are right. No so-called gay gene has been found, and it's highly unlikely that one ever will. This is where conservative Christians and Muslims quickly say "See, I told you so! There's no gay gene, so being gay is a choice!"

        Take this interesting paragraph I found on an Evangelical website:
        "The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" – meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are 'born that way.'"

        But that's not at all what it means, and it seems Evangelicals are plucking out stand-alone phrases from scientific reports and removing them from their context. This is known in academia as the fallacy of suppressed evidence. Interestingly, this is also what they have a habit of doing with verses from the Bible.

        This idea of sexuality being a choice is such a bizarre notion to me as a man of science. Many of these reparative "therapists" are basing this concept on a random Bible verse or two. When you hold those up against the mountain of scientific research that has been conducted, peer-reviewed, and then peer-reviewed again, it absolutely holds no water. A person's sexuality – whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual – is a very deep biological piece of who that person is as an individual.

        The fact that a so-called "gay gene" has not been discovered does not mean that homosexuality is not genetic in its causation. This is understandably something that can seem a bit strange to those who have not been educated in fields of science and advanced biology, and it is also why people who are not scientists ought not try to explain the processes in simple black-and-white terms. There is no gay gene, but there is also no "height gene" or "skin tone gene" or "left-handed gene." These, like sexuality, have a heritable aspect, but no one dominant gene is responsible for them.

        Many genes, working in sync, contribute to the phenotype and therefore do have a role in sexual orientation. In many animal model systems, for example, the precise genes involved in sexual partner selection have been identified, and their neuro-biochemical pathways have been worked out in great detail. A great number of these mechanisms have been preserved evolutionarily in humans, just as they are for every other behavioral trait we know (including heterosexuality).

        Furthermore, there are many biologic traits which are not specifically genetic but are biologic nonetheless. These traits are rooted in hormonal influences, contributed especially during the early stages of fetal development. This too is indisputable and based on extensive peer-reviewed research the world over. Such prenatal hormonal influences are not genetic per se, but are inborn, natural, and biologic nevertheless.

        Having said that, in the realm of legal rights, partnership rights, and anti-discrimination protections, the gay gene vs. choice debate is actually quite irrelevant. Whether or not something is a choice is not a suitable criterion for whether someone should have equal rights and protections. Religion is indisputably a choice, but that fact is a not a valid argument for discriminating against a particular religion.

        This is not an issue in dispute. According to modern science: baby, you were born this way.

        February 10, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Yo!

        "evaluation, how come you say gays and lesbians have families, how do they reproduce?"

        Wow your ignorance is hysterical. How does a couple reproduce when one of them is infertile or didn't you think that one through? DUH!

        February 10, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • surfsouthbay

        Wow your ignorance is hysterical. How does a couple reproduce when one of them is infertile or didn't you think that one through? DUH!

        That couple doesnt reproduce...which is what infertile means. This is pretty basic stuff. You extrmeme people wether its lliberal or conservative are so full of your own sh-t though that you lose the ability to think rational and all common sense iis lost

        February 10, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Yo!

        "That couple doesnt reproduce...which is what infertile means. This is pretty basic stuff. You extrmeme people wether its lliberal or conservative are so full of your own sh-t though that you lose the ability to think rational and all common sense iis lost"

        Wow are you an idiot and your bad spelling proves that. When one spouse is infertile they can still have children only a stupid moron wouldn't know how that one works. LMAO!

        February 10, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • surfsouthbay

        fine then, explain how reproduction takes place then with no artificial means. I feel like I'm arguing with a 12 year old. go for it

        February 10, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Yo!

        "fine then, explain how reproduction takes place then with no artificial means."

        On nice try at twisting to get out of the argument the couple can still reproduce moron. Wow are you an idiot.

        February 10, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Tina

    Many of you ask where the opinion is on the other side. Slightly under Rev. Ken's picture there is a link "For an opposing view, click here." If you want to follow a different, yet similar discussion.

    February 10, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
  16. To the False Prophet Kenneth Hutcherson

    “Watch out for false prophets.
    They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

    By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

    Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

    A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

    Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

    THUS BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THEM.

    February 10, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
  17. DAKOTA2000

    WHY IS IT ALWAYS THE BLACK GUY WHO HATES GAYS? I BET THERE WERE A LOT OF F-AG-GOTS MARCHING IN ALABAMA FOR YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS. TIME TO RETURN THE FAVOR BRO.

    February 10, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
  18. redwings55

    "Anything the bible says is good for society, I stand on it and I will not compromise on it. What the bible says is good for society has always proven to be good. Anything the bible says is wrong for society has always proven to be wrong. There have never been any winners in a scenario where society went against what God said would be good." Sorry love, but have you read Leviticus? let me give you a little sneak preview

    Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19) [THE SHEEP ARE GRAZING WITH THE CATTLE, IT'S THE END TIMES!]
    Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19) [owned]
    Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27) [owned]
    People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18) [so screw you Helen Keller! screw you paraolympic heroes! *sarcasm*]
    If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). [that would take care of the Newt Gingrich campaign...]

    don't use the Bible as an excuse to be a hater. Besides, considering how drastically Grimm fairy tales changed over the period of a century or so, how much do you really think the Bible has been preserved (and the translations, you all realize how many languages it cycled through before getting to English right?)

    What will happen if gays are allowed to marry? Gays will get married and be as happy and miserable as all the heteros out there. That's it. I mean, the heteros are doing a find job of ruining the concept of marriage so why not let everyone in on the fun?

    Love thy neighbor, even if that neighbor is the embodiment of every gay stereotype and rides a rainbow unicorn while singing musicals and throwing glitter.

    February 10, 2012 at 11:38 am | Report abuse |
    • daniel

      To redwing 55 please get an education, you don't even know how to read your bible correctly. Everything the bible says is good for society it is a fact. the ten commandments sum up all human morality, in fact Jesus said the first two commandments are sufficient for human morality. Your argument does not even have a premise, defending gays is like defending a paedophile, why is paedophilia wrong then why can't an old man be attracted to a child, with you kind of logic you will be able to justify anything. GAYS are WRONG and so are PAEDOPHILES, they lead to a moral degradation and are as bad for society if not worse than global warming.

      February 10, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "Your argument does not even have a premise, defending gays is like defending a paedophile, why is paedophilia wrong then why can't an old man be attracted to a child, with you kind of logic you will be able to justify anything. GAYS are WRONG and so are PAEDOPHILES,"

      Keep showing your ignorance and stupidity on this subject there is a difference between the two. The experts have stated that being gay is normal. You are only coming up excuses to justify your prejudice and bigotry.

      February 10, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
  19. David Tindell

    "Why do I stand so strong in support of traditional marriage? Because I am a pastor of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I am a shepherd that is supposed to lead, feed and protect the flock. Anything the bible says is good for society, I stand on it and I will not compromise on it."

    Paraphrase: "Why do I stand so strong in support of traditional marriage? Because I have stopped thinking a long time ago, and the Bible pays the bills."

    I think it is silly that we still seriously consider Christian arguments in a country that proposes seperation of church and state. Honestly, a group of people who no longer think critically about what they believe, follow blindly any group of ideas against reality, should not be taken seriously in discussion of issues anyway. I understand that this reverend does not support gay marriage because believes in ideals set in stone thousands of years ago in a region nothing like our own, but no one is saying it has to change his beliefs. Until you decide to have a genuine consideration for the issue at hand, I suggest you consider yourself lucky that people still pay to hear doctrines they could just read at home.

    February 10, 2012 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
  20. govspy

    All these reasons for not allowing gay marriage, all they sound like is "reasons why I think these people shouldn't be allowed into my version of Christian Heaven," not why Americans shouldn't be able to marry the consenting adult of their choice.

    Funny, how in the bible God gives mankind free will, and Christians have been trying to deny it ever since.

    February 10, 2012 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
  21. JOSE0311USMC

    I'M NOT A RELIGIOUS PERSON, CORRECTION.

    February 10, 2012 at 8:26 am | Report abuse |
    • iamdeadlyserious

      So you don't worship any god?

      I have yet to hear a secular argument against gay marriage, so I'd be interested to hear your "non-religious" reasoning.

      February 10, 2012 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
      • debbie338

        Same here. Never once have I heard a non-religious argument against gay marriage. I bet we wait a long time for an answer.

        February 10, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • redwings55

      I WRITE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS THEREFORE I MUST KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT SO EVERYONE SHOULD LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE I WILL DAZZLE YOU WITH MY RAPIER WIT AND ELOQUENT PROSE

      February 10, 2012 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
  22. JOSE0311USMC

    GAY MARRIAGE, ?? I OPPOSE...THINKING ABOUT IT , MAKES ME SICK...I'M A RELIGIOUS PERSON-I DON'T GO TO CHURCH...CHURCHES ALL THEY WANT IS YOUR MONEY..

    February 10, 2012 at 8:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "THINKING ABOUT IT , MAKES ME SICK..."

      That's what people use to say about biracial marriages. Just because your a prejudice bigot doesn't mean they don't deserve the same civil rights as straight couples.

      The right gay couples DON"T have for their families:

      Tax Benefits
      -–Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
      -–Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

      Estate Planning Benefits
      -–Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
      -–Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
      -–Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
      -–Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse – that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.

      Government Benefits
      -–Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
      -–Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
      -–Receiving public as-sistance benefits.
      -–Employment Benefits
      -–Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
      -–Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
      -–Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
      -–Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

      Medical Benefits
      -–Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
      -–Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

      Death Benefits
      -–Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
      -–Making burial or other final arrangements.

      Family Benefits
      -–Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
      -–Applying for joint foster care rights.
      -–Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
      -–Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.

      Housing Benefits
      -–Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
      -–Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

      Consumer Benefits
      -–Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
      -–Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
      -–Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.
      -–Other Legal Benefits and Protections
      -–Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
      -–Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
      -–Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
      -–Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
      -–Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
      -–Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.

      February 10, 2012 at 8:33 am | Report abuse |
    • DAKOTA2000

      Well USMC: the marine corps consists of a bunch of Gomer Pyle jar heads that rape 12 Okinawan girls.

      How many little girls have you raped?

      Or do it feel bad when people reduce others to members of some broad class and demonize them.

      February 10, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
  23. M

    I follow the words and writings of Jesus. However I do not think the bible has a gospel written by Jesus. So if Jesus says nothing against gay marriage then I support it.

    February 10, 2012 at 8:25 am | Report abuse |
    • mikey

      Jesus Christ is the living Word of God. It tells us in John that the Word became flesh. If the Word in the old testament says that if a man lays with another man it is an abomination to the Lord, then that's what Jesus said. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forevermore. Now, no sin is "easy" to get over...we desperately need a Savior who can break the chains.

      February 10, 2012 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
      • LostNomad

        "It tells us in John that the Word became flesh. If the Word in the old testament says that if a man lays with another man it is an abomination to the Lord, then that's what Jesus said."
        Actually, you've got that a bit backwards and you're being too literal. If the flesh became word then, yes, that's what Jesus said. But that's not what happened. The word became flesh. No mention is made of which portion of the word or even whether it was all of the word. What Jesus said is in quotes followed by something along the lines of 'Jesus said' or 'said Jesus'. Implying that Jesus 'said' the ebtire Bible is about as dumb as implying that I wrote the entire CNN message board.

        February 10, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      "Jesus Christ is the living Word of God. It tells us in John that the Word became flesh. If the Word in the old testament says that if a man lays with another man it is an abomination to the Lord, then that's what Jesus said."

      Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states, let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her. The crowd dissipates out of shame. That story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. It was added by later scribes. The story is not found in the oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible.

      February 10, 2012 at 10:37 am | Report abuse |
  24. Another pastor's view

    I am appalled that CNN would choose this to post as a respectable point of view. I am a pastor and I support gay marriage from a biblical and faith perspective, but I am curious about the other point of view. I know that there are other faithful Christians who disagree with gay marriage and have a much more complex understanding of Scripture than this pastor does. It would have been nice to hear from them. Publishing this justifies everyone where they are – those who disagree him see him as fulfilling all their stereotypes and those that agree with him are given superficial justifications for their opinions.

    February 10, 2012 at 7:50 am | Report abuse |
    • jn0224

      You're appalled that they would allow a traditional Christian view among other views? And you're a pastor?

      February 10, 2012 at 8:09 am | Report abuse |
    • DAKOTA2000

      Very sensible. Thank you.

      February 10, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Haas Ceburn

    Obviously no Bible scholars here...taking everything out of context and very unscientific may I add. Furthermore, it takes a repentant heart and a true relationship with God, according to the Bible, before the Holy Spirit can grant understanding of scripture. Archaeology, verifies that the Bible is an accurate history of human existence and all creatures to include dinosaurs. In the beginning he created them male and female and instructed them to be fruitful and multiply which is an impossibility in gay relationships concerning humans or animals. He created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Yes mating is scientifically for procreation even though some unhealthy humans and animals are sterile. The initial instruction of the creator was to be fruitful and multiply...ensuring the future continum of the species.

    February 10, 2012 at 7:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "The initial instruction of the creator was to be fruitful and multiply...ensuring the future continum of the species."

      All you are doing is creating excuses in your head to justify your prejudice and bigotry, it has nothing to do with your god. Gays and Lesbians have children, have families it's why they need the same civil rights as straights. Being gay is not a choice, it's not a mental illness and it can't be voluntarily changed. Idiots like you are why our world is going in the crapper because we are over populating this planet and pretty soon it won't be able to support all of us. Grow and look at the REAL truths.

      February 10, 2012 at 8:15 am | Report abuse |
    • redwings55

      because we take such good care of the children we've already created, let's make some more! and it is so much better for a 15 year old to raise children than a stable home environment created by two men or two women who have the life experience, income, and wisdom to nurture and guide a child into becoming a productive member of society

      February 10, 2012 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
  26. Jim

    "Anything the bible says is good for society"
    How can anyone not agree with Reverend Hutcherson? The bible provides us with orderly instructions on how to carry out our daily lives. Leviticus is quite clear about who we can take as slaves, how to treat them and exactly how much we can beat them without violating God's laws. We all know that that slave holders in the American south followed God's law when it cam to beating slaves. I bet Hutcherson's great-grandfather could verify that for us. I particularly like the part about being able to force female slaves to marry my son. Some of my neighbors' daughters are *really* hot. Also simply sacrificing an animal after raping an engaged slave is a small price to pay to be able to do that.

    February 10, 2012 at 5:47 am | Report abuse |
    • O.S. Bird

      I'm with you, Jim. I'm not a bible guy, but I'm an Old Testament Vengeful Angry God man deep down.

      February 10, 2012 at 6:12 am | Report abuse |
  27. BigJ

    I'm sorry, but I cannot believe that a person who has actually read and comprehended the bible could say something like "What the bible says is good for society has always proven to be good. Anything the bible says is wrong for society has always proven to be wrong." Let's take a quick look, shall we?

    Good, according to the bible:
    genocide
    slavery
    polygamy
    incest
    Wrong, according to the bible:
    religious freedom
    racial equality
    gender equality (just to name a few)

    That's all in addition to the parts that are just plain ridiculous. Leviticus also contains prohibitions against tattoos (when was the last time you saw christians protesting tattoo parlors?), round haircuts (or hair salons?), and, of course, blended fabric (that's right, poly-cotton blends will be the downfall of society!). The "natural order" thing from Romans? Also used when saying that women should have long hair and men have short hair.

    My point, basically, is this: Why on earth would anyone still use this book as justification for anything?

    February 10, 2012 at 2:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Demac

      It appears to me that you have not read your bible at all, where does the bible promote genocide or racial inequalities? Moses married a black women, so did Solomon and Joseph. About genocides what are you talking about? The israelites were commanded to conquer a certain portion of the Middle east and that was it, indeed a lot of genocide was committed against them. God brought judgement on certain nations that for a long time +-400 years in which those nations were committing gross human violations like sodomy, child sacrifices, beastiality so God simply revisted their inquities upon them. God commanded strictly that only some of the nations were to be destroyed.

      February 10, 2012 at 3:29 am | Report abuse |
      • Jon

        I see, so, because the countries in the promised land sinned, God ordered that every man, woman, child, and animal be killed. Those evil children - they got what they deserved. No, bro, that's called a war crime. Your God ordered war crimes. Sorry, to shake your faith, bro, but its more important to be honest with yourself. And there's good news: Its possible to be a good, moral, happy person without believing that every part of the Bible is literally true! Convert from fundamentalism and see the light!

        February 10, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
  28. ari

    since you mention "the israelites" so often, perhaps it is worth mentioning that the israelites were polygamous and had slaves and concubines. "traditional marriage", my rear.

    you are a disgrace to the god you profess to serve.

    February 10, 2012 at 1:25 am | Report abuse |
    • JM

      just because some people in history had certain things doesn't mean that it was part of the religion nor does at all imply it was in the bible. What on earth is wrong with education these days?

      February 10, 2012 at 5:24 am | Report abuse |
  29. ruemorgue

    LMAO when I read this clown's counter-point! So, everyone is suppose to bow and follow the contradictory ramblings uttered, not written, from 2000 years ago, if God belched, this clown would take as a Commandment.

    February 9, 2012 at 11:55 pm | Report abuse |
  30. jdj

    Way to go Pastor Ken! It is always good to see someone stand up for what is right.

    February 9, 2012 at 11:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pattysboi

      Too bad your bff is NOT "right".

      February 10, 2012 at 4:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      Yes, at least he has some good Christian morals. Immorality will destroy America one day, Revelation's prophecies are becoming fulfilled more and more.

      February 10, 2012 at 8:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "Yes, at least he has some good Christian morals. Immorality will destroy "

      Spreading prejudice and hate is not good Christians morals especially while ignoring what we know about gays today. Why don't your read Erik's post and educate yourself.

      February 10, 2012 at 8:44 am | Report abuse |
  31. JOsh

    This is such a stupid article. Try re-writing this without using a 2000+ year old book of fairy tales to justify your bigotry. Your bible preaches slavery sir, how is that good for society? Your bible preaches absurdity and you are just too thick to realize that and think for yourself.

    February 9, 2012 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |
  32. KBR

    Compared to certain little things like water, electricity, farming and such, this issue is not important. Yet from the words for and againstg you would thing it is the end of the world.

    February 9, 2012 at 11:20 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Snow

    self righteous.. judgmental.. pretentious.. conceited.. hypocritical.. pr.ick.. just a few words that pop into my mind reading this guy's article.. everything the god he claims to follow says not to do. and he is a pastor?

    February 9, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
  34. kartman

    The Bible teaches to love all men and women. Marriage, by definition, is a union between one man and one women by which they become husband and wife. I will continue to love those that, in my view, make poor choices. It is possible to love people without loving the things that people do. I will not roll out the red carpet and celebrate wrongdoing!

    February 9, 2012 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
  35. David

    Any person claiming to be an authority on the Bible who writes with a straight face that everything the Bible has said has proven to be good is either ignorant or a liar. How about the passage in the Bible that says women should keep their mouths shut in church, Reverend? Why am I guessing you aren't preaching that one on Sundays? Simply ludicrous. I wish we could have gotten a more intelligent discussion here.

    February 9, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • sangatsuKobe

      Agreed. But trying to have a rational discussion with someone who uses the Bible as its sole authority is, to me, an oxymoron.

      February 9, 2012 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amber

      Have you read about Ruth? You might want to pick up a Bible – and read it – before you proclaim to understand it.

      February 9, 2012 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • michael

      as with any book u got to read the context women not speaking in church was part a of a lettter address certain issues going on at that partiular time

      February 10, 2012 at 3:12 am | Report abuse |
  36. iamdeadlyserious

    "Anything the bible says is good for society, I stand on it and I will not compromise on it. What the bible says is good for society has always proven to be good."

    Let's examine that, shall we?

    Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

    Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

    If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10)

    If a man has s.ex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

    Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

    People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

    Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

    Yeah... these rules have clearly guided civilization to greatness.

    February 9, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      Now you're quoting old testament scripture of the Jewish law and yes everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and deserve death. When you become a Christian, we are free from the law of sin and death. Jesus gave 2 commandments, Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. The second is love your neighbour as yourself. All the Law and the prophets hang on these two commandments.

      February 9, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • iamdeadlyserious

        Strange. I don't see anything about gay people in the scripture you chose to quote.

        February 9, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • David

        The post author also quoted the Old Testament, more often than he quoted the New Testament.

        February 9, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        I and many others simply do not believe in your god.

        February 9, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Alekk

        Too bad Jesus never said what to do with pedophile priests. I guess that is why the church fails to act on it.

        February 9, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jason

        The problem is, Brian, that the angry vengeful god of the Old Testament is the SAME god that appears in the New Testament. Then, go read Psalms and Hebrews to discover the passages that state that god is unchanging. So yup, your god was pretty much a jerk in the Old Testament and according to your bible, he still is one.

        February 9, 2012 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • michael

        yes god is unchanging but these old testament laws was fulfilled by Jesus Christ and is no longer to be followed. also God does change his mind on things sometimes, read where god wanted to destroy Israel but moses got God to change his mind

        February 10, 2012 at 3:17 am | Report abuse |
      • O.S. Bird

        So the Old Testament is no longer valid? Oh – just some of it. The bits about talking snakes and Noah's ark are still on the up and up. Where in teh bible does it say that you can pick and choose from it? Bah.

        February 10, 2012 at 6:19 am | Report abuse |
      • iamdeadlyserious

        michael,

        Your god doesn't change. Period. If he does change, it means that there are multiple scriptures that are just plain wrong. Also, the constant reference that Christians fall back on for opposing gay marriage is a passage in Leviticus. So if you're going to quote the OT out of context, don't get mad when other people quote the rest of it.

        February 10, 2012 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Linda

      "Jesus gave 2 commandments, Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. The second is love your neighbour as yourself. All the Law and the prophets hang on these two commandments."

      Which is why Christian gays and Lesbians should be allowed to marry.

      February 9, 2012 at 6:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Raven

      The bible also says we shouldn't eat figs. Why aren't religious people demanding the removal of figs from our grocery stores?

      Just let people marry the one they love. They aren't hurting anyone.

      February 10, 2012 at 5:45 am | Report abuse |
  37. Colin

    It is astounding to me that, in the 21st Century, we are actually debating the Iron Age mythology this guy is spouting!! This artticle epitomizes everything I detest about religious supersti.tions, not least of which is it trying to prevent ANY gay person, regardless of their belief, from marrying, simple because this guy believes in Iron Age sky-fairies.

    Astounding!!

    February 9, 2012 at 5:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • William J. Bryant

      You're dead wrong. These people are not clinging to an Iron Age collection of myth, folklore, parable and poetry, and, against all reason and credible evidence, holding it up as the inerrant word of an all powerful god. The collection is actually from the Bronze Age.

      February 9, 2012 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
  38. JeffA

    "What the bible says is good for society has always proven to be good. Anything the bible says is wrong for society has always proven to be wrong. "

    So.... I will assume that you are pro-slavery.

    February 9, 2012 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • joel

      where did you get your information from? because according to the bible, you should be executed for working on saturday, including being executed for cleaning your apartment on saturday.

      You just can't make things up. Like christians always do. You, my friend, would have been executed in your teens if the bible had it's way.

      February 9, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Truthmakesfree

    You guys who are expressing such outspoken opinions. There's only one way to settle this. Read the Bible portions noted by the pastor. You'll see he's right and that's why those who love God's Word support his comments.

    February 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      What you are not realizing is there are hundreds of churches, pastors, clergy, rabbi's that have read the bible and DISAGREE with his interpretations of those scriptures, that's the point. He is not putting the scriptures into historical perspective which is part of reading comprehension 101. Guess he forgot to read Ezekiel too when it comes to Sodom and Gomorrah, it even states the sin had nothing to do with being gay! .

      February 9, 2012 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • JeffA

        Or we can just agree that the Bible is just a book, written in a time when the average adult knew less about the natural world than a modern 7 year old and a wheelbarrow would've been seen as a "breathtaking example of emerging technology".

        February 9, 2012 at 5:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • Brian

        Regardless if clergy, priests, rabbis, etc believe it or not, it's the Word of God and it's all truth. You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free. John 8:32

        February 9, 2012 at 6:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Really?

        "Word of God and it's all truth. You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free. John 8:32"

        Well, guess what our interpretations of those truths have changed, it's why women have the right to vote, don't stay home taking care of kids and there are now women clergy. Keep picking and choosing trying to justify your prejudice and bigotry. Now if you only had the same passion for all those Christian divorced adulterers.

        February 9, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • iamdeadlyserious

      Better yet, read the passages he didn't reference.

      February 9, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alekk

      The Bible.

      Guttenberg's printing press did not come into existence until the 1400's. That means, for all the intervening years between Christ's birth and the 1400's, these stories were handed down by word of mouth or handwritten.

      Gee, I guess the possibility never existed that clergy got together in the 500's and rewrote everything....and then another council of clergy convened in the 1100's and decided to reshape the words to suit their own agenda.

      You ever play that game where you get a circle of people and one of you whispers one sentence into the ear of the person on your left, and around it goes until it comes back to the original person. The sentence is nowhere near the same. That is because people interpret and reinterpret what they hear.

      You cannot categorically show that the words in the current Bible (and remember, there are different versions with different interpretations) are the same as those handed down in the beginning.

      End of story.

      February 9, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
  40. dante666

    CNN – WHY DO YOU GIVE THIS IDIOT A PULPET?

    February 9, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      Because he speaks the Truth. Don't listen to the lies of the devil. Allow Jesus to show you the truth and you will be set free from the bondage of sin and death.

      February 9, 2012 at 6:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Alekk

        And what is the truth Jesus is revealing when pedophile priests get to rape children, and the churches do nothing but move the priests around so they can rape more children.

        Sorry, I won't listen to the leaders of any religion that allow innocent children to have their lives irrevocably damaged by people claiming to be acting in the name of God, and then have their leaders let them get away with it, time and time and time again.

        Until the church does something about its pedophilia problem, they have no business preaching to anyone else about how to live moral lives.

        Blithering hypocrites!

        February 9, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "Because he speaks the Truth. Don't listen to the lies of the devil. "

      You've got that backwards, he speaks lies of the devil!

      February 9, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • William J. Bryant

      1) don't SHOUT. 2) If you're going to call someone an idiot, you'd be well advised to use a spellchecker first.

      February 9, 2012 at 8:57 pm | Report abuse |
  41. dante666

    IN AS FEW WORDS AS POSSIBLE – YOUR POSITION IS SO CHRISTIAN – YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION TO WHY THE YOUNG ARE LEAVING THE CHURCH

    February 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
  42. dante666

    PASTOR – MAY I SAY IN A FEW WORDS – WHAT TWO PEOPLE DO IN THE BEDROOM IS NOBODY'S BUSINESS BUT THEIR OWN.. IF ITS THE EQUAL RIGHTS YOU ARE OPPOSING – I FIND THAT HUMOROUS.

    February 9, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
  43. joel

    I bet that preacher has no problems eating bacon and pork chops, preaching about what God has to say, while eating all you can eat shrimp at the local christian buffet.

    February 9, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Jeramiah

    I think I could use another guy like this to pick my cotton. He shouldn't mind.

    February 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
  45. truth

    This guy must hate that blacks have the same rights as white people as well, being that he is black and all. Just another bigot.

    February 9, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
  46. yeahalright

    Red lobster is a den of sin and depravity. There's one near my house I see the sinners all the time at all hours. Have you looked into this? And yet when I tried to auction off my daughter not 100 yards from this den of sin, the cops came and told me I couldn't! In this day in age! And would you believe there are women with their periods just walking around touching people like all the time? There's probably some right in your pews even. Oh the depravity. What is this once great country coming to?

    You've got much bigger problems on your hand Reverend. Bigger than you know. This gay marriage thing is a smokescreen for red lobster to operate and menstrual women to walk around.

    February 9, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Epiphany1882

      lol

      February 9, 2012 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Dipo

    This guy illustrates the problem with opponents of gay marriage. There is no rational argument. It is soley based on religious belief. You cannot force and should not force your religious belief on others. How does gay marriage affect you? How is it "bad" for society?. Just because you are uncomfortable with it and don't like it, is that a good enough reason to deny people a right that the rest of society have? You need to do a lot better than that. A lot of the same arguments that were used to oppose interracial marriage are being recycled. I admitt, I was uncomfortable with the idea of gay marriage when it first came up, but the more I listen to the opponents of gay marriage, the stronger I support it. I have not heard one crdible rational reason to deny gays the right to get married.

    February 9, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      I'm with ya. The idea of being with another man doesn't do it for me. So I don't do it. That's not enough for some people though. They need to control other peoples' lives. Need to. Gay marriage affects straight marriage like vegas marriages affect huge planned for 2 years mega marriages. As in, they don't.

      February 9, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Crazy Eddie

    If everything the Bible said was OK has been proven right, then why can't I still beat my slaves (assuming it takes at least 1 day for them to die)?

    February 9, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      Hey don't sweat it man, I'll come over with a bucket of popcorn shrimp, sell you my daughter, and you can beat her. Sanctioned by the good book of course.

      February 9, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • yourmom

        yeahalright

        Sell him your daughter??? Huh? How in the hell did that happen, via immaculate conception?

        February 9, 2012 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • yeahalright

        @your...I guess that's supposed to be an insult? Cringeworthy man. Embarrassing.

        February 10, 2012 at 12:25 am | Report abuse |
  49. x

    Why is CNN providing this hatemonger a platform to spew his poison from?

    February 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      I think it's good to keep tabs on the lunatics out there.

      February 9, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • DAKOTA2000

      CNN is a business.
      Businesses need money
      CNN makes money on this web site by selling ads.
      Ad revenue is based on viewership.

      The more people get upset, the more they visit. The more they visit, the more money CNN makes.

      Got it?

      Now, please play along.

      February 10, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
  50. yeahalright

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.
    I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the gay lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate.

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them.

    1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
    21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

    4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

    5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than being gay. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? – Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

    February 9, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lilly

      The answer of course is that you must take all actions commanded by the bible regardless of city, state, national or international law. As has been stated often by anti-gay marriage scholars, that the word of God must be obeyed and the bible is the sacred word of God. It's a no-brainer. You must punish those who have disobeyed the word of God. Not only will you not face prosecution but the people you have smote will thank you for setting them on the righteous path. Good work and thank God you are vigilant.

      February 9, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • J

      Absolutely genius!!!

      February 9, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • DAKOTA2000

      Nice reprint,

      February 10, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Report abuse |
  51. BobFrench

    Please post my comments CNN. Why are your fora so bad?

    February 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Helpful

      The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".
      • More than one web address will also activate “waiting for moderation”. Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.
      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".
      And said moderators still have not solved the chronological placement of comments once the number of comments gets above about 100. They recently have taken to dividing the comments in batches of 50 or so, for some strange reason. Maybe they did this to solve the chronology problem only to make comment reviews beyond the tedious.
      “Raison's Filter Fiber© (joking about the copyright)
      1. Here's my latest list – this seems like a good spot to set this down, as nobody's posting much on this thread.....
      ––
      bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to post that wonderful argument:
      Many, if not most are buried within other words, but I am not shooting for the perfect list, so use your imagination and add any words I have missed as a comment (no one has done this yet)
      – I found some but forgot to write them down. (shrugs).
      s-ex
      c-um.........as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, etc.
      sp-ic........as in disp-icable (look out Sylvester the cat!)
      ho-mo...whether ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, etc.
      t-it.........const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, etc.
      an-al......ban-al
      sh-it
      fu-ck...
      who-re
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, (an unexpected one)
      pr-ick
      sl-ut
      c-lit
      va-g....as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant
      hor-ny
      ar-se....yet "ass" is not filtered!
      nip-ple
      po-rn
      c-ock
      nig-ger
      cu-nt
      b-itch
      ra-pe
      jacka-ss...but ass is fine lol
      p-is.....as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, etc.
      o ficti-tious, repeti-tion, competi-tion.
      Sna-tch
      soft-ware
      Ja-panese
      Span-king
      hoo-ters
      There are more, so do not assume that this is complete.

      February 9, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • BobFrench

        What a great system.

        People who have no intention of being rude or innappropriate dont get to post, yet people who do want to be rude and post cheat the system with worthless hate speech.

        February 9, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael J.

      Agreed! There is nothing worse than to compose your thoughts only to have them arbitrarily ignored, even when they don't contain hidden profanity. Censorship?

      February 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
  52. David

    This man made veiled death threats against gay people and people who support marriage equality on his blog. Why is CNN giving someone like that space to spread their hatred? Or will they be fair and let a Klan member write an opinion piece about how races other than Aryan really are inferior?

    February 9, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael J.

      Have you received an answer yet from CNN. This is a legitimate question. Hutcherson has a long trail of horrendous actions and words against his fellow citizens.

      February 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Ran

    It is admirable to see a man who is not willing to compromise his beliefes and values to please others. He is not willing to 'go with the flow' just because a certain majority says that's the way to flow. He is standing firm to what he upholds to be true and sticking with it despite the many criticism he is facing. Surely his Lord, Jesus will be proud of Him when they meet face to face. Well done, Reverend!

    February 9, 2012 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      Not all Christians and Pastors agree with his interpretation.

      The story of Sodom in Genesis 19 is about offense against the sacred duty of hospitality. That is how Ezekiel 16:48-49 and Wisdom 9:13-14 interpret this text. The attempted male rape only heightens the atrocity of this offense.

      Leviticus 18:22 does forbid male-male sex as an “abomination.” But the word simply means an impurity or a religious taboo — like eating pork. As in the case of Catholics who used to be forbidden under pain of mortal sin to eat meat on Friday, the offense was not in the act itself but in the betrayal of one’s religion. The ancient Jews were to avoid practices common among the unclean Gentiles.

      Romans 1:27 mentions men having relations with men. But the terms used to describe them are “dishonorable” and “shameless.” These refer deliberately to social disapproval, not to ethical condemnation. Moreover, according to Paul’s usage, different from the prevalent Stoic philosophy of the day, para physin (“unnatural”) would best be translated “atypical” or “beyond the ordinary.” So it bears no reference to natural law. And it can imply no ethical condemnation because in Romans 11:24 God is said to act para physin. Paul sees gay sex as an impurity (see Rm. 1:24), just like uncircumcision or eating forbidden foods. He mentions it to make the main point of his letter, that purity requirements of the Jewish Law are not relevant in Christ Jesus.

      1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:8-10 list arsenokoitai among those who will be excluded from the Reign of God. This obscure term has been translated “homosexuals” but its exact meaning is debated. It certainly does not include women but only some kind of male sexual offenders. If it does refer to men having sex with men — which is dubious — it must be interpreted in light of the abuse and licentiousness commonly associated with male-male sex in the Roman Empire. See Robin Scroggs, The New Testament and Homosexuality.

      Finally, Genesis 1-3 shows Adam and Eve created for mutual companionship and procreation. These accounts use the most standard of human relationships to teach a religious lesson. The point is the love and wisdom of God, who made all things good and wills us no evil. Nothing suggests the biblical authors intended a lesson on sexual orientation.

      How could someone do what (the Church says) is wrong and not be living in sin?

      As the Church understands it, wrong and sin are not the same thing. Wrong is harm, disorder, destruction; it is in the objective or external world. Sin is self-distancing from God; it is in the heart. Sin is more a general attitude than any particular action. We sin when we deliberately do what we believe is wrong. Then in our hearts we opt for evil. Then we move away from goodness and from God, who is good.

      It may well be that what you do is not wrong at all. But if you think it is and you do it anyway, well, you are corrupt. That’s sin! Or what you do may really be wrong. But if you don’t honestly think so and you do it, well, your heart is not really amiss. You may be uninformed, naive, or stupid, and even dangerous, but unless you have neglected properly informing yourself, you are not sinful.

      The Church teaches right and wrong but never says who is a sinner. Only God knows our hearts. Many homosexual people simply cannot believe that gay sex as such is wrong. So they do what for them is “the best they can do,” though Church teaching says that homogenital acts are wrong. Still, according to the same Church’s teaching on conscience, they do not sin in their hearts nor before God. Then they need not confess what is not sin, and they may participate in the Sacraments of the Church.

      February 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      Or he could just not marry a man and leave everybody else the F alone. I'm not attracted to men either. So I don't marry one. It's pretty easy

      February 9, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael J.

      I disagree with your opinion. I don't think Hutcherson will ever see the Lord come judgement day. Satan is the one who will greet and welcome him into the fiery depths of hell. The Lord does not look kindly on those who discriminate and preach discrimination against their brethren.

      February 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Eugene

    I agree preacher. Dont let the negative comments stop the truth. To God be the Glory.

    February 9, 2012 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      It is a surprise to many to learn that none of the Gospel writers record Jesus as ever making a statement for or against homosexual orientation. And yet, at the same time Jesus was very vocal on aspects of morality and sexuality. In actual fact, it was late into the Christian era before homosexuality was (erroneously) equated with the sin of Sodom and before the Christian world “decided” homosexual persons were moral affronts to God.

      The Bible speaks very specifically about several distortions of homosexuality – it does not attempt to develop a broad picture of what we understand today as sexual orientation. Lesbian, bisexual and gay people do not see their sexuality in any way represented when the Bible speaks of the gang rape of angels by men, when it condemns the prostitution that was part of the pagan fertility cults, and when it decries relationships based solely on lust. Transgender people find biblical stories that witness to God’s and the early church’s inclusion of people of minority gender identity (the Ethiopian eunuch, for starters). The Biblical witness of relationships based on mutuality, respect, commitment and faithfulness are affirmed by many lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people of our Church.

      They used the Bible to justify slavery. They used the Bible to justify the smothering of women’s gifts and talents. They used the Bible to sow seeds of anti-semitism, and then were incredulous that the Nazis could be so cruel. And once again, in our day, people in the church are using the Bible as a “Handbook for Bigotry”. This time, however, the targets are people of minority sexual orientation and gender identity.

      February 9, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eugene

        Really

        February 9, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael J.

      Hutcherson is the one with the negative comments and the one who refuses to face the truth and the ones who judges others.

      February 9, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Liz

    So if the determine's whats perfectly good for everyone including non christians then its ok for men to sell their daughters? For people to be Stoned To death? For people to sell out their friends for the betterment of society? Nice. Christianity is just so wonderful.

    Protect your Flock just dont' impose your insanity on the rest of America.

    February 9, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Liz

      if the bible determines even typos yay.

      February 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Autumn vanetten

      Well, Liz, I can't agree more. How bout the fact that these people are picking and choosing the rules that 'god' set forth. Last time I read the bible, it stated that shrimp was one of the worst abominations. Eating shrimp or pork would garner a death sentence. So, you mean to tell me that being gay is less of a sin than eating pork? Riiiiiiight or how about a bacon wrapped shrimp? Those things are addictive. So, I don't like that people pick and choose the rules to suit their mood and bigotry. Its stupid. Also, the men that wrote the bible were just that. Angry, war driven, uneducated men who didn't know where rain came from and would blame a neighbor if their crop died. Now, hmmmmm doesn't that sound a little 'Salem witch trial' to you? There haven't been any new books added, and god hasn't spoke to anyone since 250ad.....maybe that should be a sign that these dudes were all tripping their balls off on shrooms and hallucinating the voices.

      February 9, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
  56. cris

    I also am confused, because according to his logic, we should all be eating kosher, we should be stoning divorced individuals, he could be my slave, i could have as many female spouses as i want, who by the way, would not have any voice either at home or in the outside world, where they wouldn't be allowed to begin with. So, why the twist of logic for this one particular issue?

    February 9, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Primewonk

      Because cretins like this can only feel good about themselves when they think they are superior to another group.

      February 9, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Michael J.

        You are right. I think Hutcherson is doing the devil's work on earth.

        February 9, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Report abuse |
  57. Primewonk

    This pastor seems to be under the impression we are a theocracy, and that his version of a god has legal standing in our laws.

    I wonder why he chooses to be ignorant?

    February 9, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael J.

      You are assuming he has a choice.

      February 9, 2012 at 6:03 pm | Report abuse |
  58. indyreader

    Having seen both companion essays, I guess I find it not surprising that the one supporting equal treatment under law – inarguably an American ideal – uses real effects of real civil laws on real people as support for the conclusion, and the one that voices support for continued discrimination uses blind allegiance to dogma (and and flat-out denial of a lot of real history) as support – and says so in so many words, little different from a bumper-sticker slogan reading "My bible says it, I believe it, and that settles it."
    "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"

    February 9, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael J.

      Thank you for pointing out the glaring differences in the two essays:

      February 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
  59. crazypete

    Of course using his logic believing in Jesus is in the bible and therefore 'good' and therefore should be law, correct?

    February 9, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  60. New

    Im glad they didnt approve it, and they never should

    February 9, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      they did approve it, mor0n

      February 9, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
  61. Sy2502

    "Anything the bible says is good for society, I stand on it and I will not compromise on it."

    The pastor doesn't realize that US law and the Bible say very different things, and that this country is run by the law, not by the Bible. If it was run by the Bible, we wouldn't have the 1st Amendment, you know, that pillar of Americans society? Maybe the good pastor cares to make an argument for why the 1st Amendment is bad for society?

    February 9, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Not to mention that the Bible also condones stoning of adulterers, the sale of daughters into slavery, etc. I am a Christian, and I love my faith, but I know we cannot view the Bible outside of its place in time and purpose.

      February 9, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Haas Ceburn

    Scientifically, it takes a man and woman to produce children and sustain human existence. I don't think gay marriage is what the creator intended for the survival of our species, so agree with the pastor. I don't believe that gay is a race of people like white, black, or brown but a perverted choice comparable to pedofilia.

    February 9, 2012 at 12:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Craig

      Uh....reasonably confident the human race is in no danger of fizzling out due to low birth rate. And by your logic, does a hetero couple who gets married and chooses not to reproduce no longer qualify as a married couple?

      February 9, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Michael J.

        If no children are produced after a reasonable amount of time–let's say 11 months–the marriage should be dissolved and neither should be allowed to remarry. This is in a book of the Bible that didn't get translated.

        February 9, 2012 at 6:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • pntherpaw86

      It downright sickens me for you to compare being gay to molesting children. Seriously, what planet are you living on???

      February 9, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Primewonk

      Continuation of a species, just like evolution, occurs at the population level, not the individual level. If you choose to be ignorant about science, why do you feel justified in denigrating it?

      February 9, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      "ut a perverted choice comparable to pedofilia."

      That just shows your ignorance on this subject since they are NOT the same. The research has shown that being gay in NOT a mental illness, is NOT a choice and it CAN NOT be voluntarily changed. It's also been shown that what people knew and understood about gays in the past were done by bias and prejudice people, that includes the Bible!

      February 9, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      So then don't marry someone your gender if you feel that way.

      February 9, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • ShimiUsha

      Agree

      February 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Erik

      "but a perverted choice"

      Being gay is not a choice. I hate to burst any bubbles, but science, in fact, is actually not in dispute on this matter.

      All major medical professional organizations concur that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed, from gay to straight or otherwise. The American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and European Psychological, Psychiatric, and Medical Associations all agree with this, as does the World Health Organization and the medical organizations of Japan, China, and most recently, Thailand. Furthermore, attempts to change one's sexual orientation can be psychologically damaging, and cause great inner turmoil and depression, especially for Christian gays and lesbians.

      Reparative therapy, also called conversion therapy or reorientation therapy, "counsels" LGBT persons to pray fervently and study Bible verses, often utilizing 12-step techniques that are used to treat sexual addictions or trauma. Such Christian councilors are pathologizing homosexuality, which is not a pathology but is a sexual orientation. Psychologically, that's very dangerous territory to tread on. All of the above-mentioned medical professional organizations, in addition to the American and European Counseling Associations, stand strongly opposed to any form of reparative therapy.

      In my home country, Norway, reparative therapy is officially considered to be ethical malpractice. But there are many countries that do not regulate the practice, and many others that remain largely silent and even passively supportive of it (such as the Philippines). Groups that operate such "therapy" in the Philippines are the Evangelical Bagong Pag-asa, and the Catholic Courage Philippines.

      The scientific evidence of the innateness of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism is overwhelming, and more peer-reviewed studies which bolster this fact are being added all the time. Science has long regarded sexual orientation – and that's all sexual orientations, including heterosexuality – as a phenotype. Simply put, a phenotype is an observable set of properties that varies among individuals and is deeply rooted in biology. For the scientific community, the role of genetics in sexuality is about as "disputable" as the role of evolution in biology.

      On the second point, that there is no conclusion that there is a "gay gene," they are right. No so-called gay gene has been found, and it's highly unlikely that one ever will. This is where conservative Christians and Muslims quickly say "See, I told you so! There's no gay gene, so being gay is a choice!"

      Take this interesting paragraph I found on an Evangelical website:
      "The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" – meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are 'born that way.'"

      But that's not at all what it means, and it seems Evangelicals are plucking out stand-alone phrases from scientific reports and removing them from their context. This is known in academia as the fallacy of suppressed evidence. Interestingly, this is also what they have a habit of doing with verses from the Bible.

      This idea of sexuality being a choice is such a bizarre notion to me as a man of science. Many of these reparative "therapists" are basing this concept on a random Bible verse or two. When you hold those up against the mountain of scientific research that has been conducted, peer-reviewed, and then peer-reviewed again, it absolutely holds no water. A person's sexuality – whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual – is a very deep biological piece of who that person is as an individual.

      The fact that a so-called "gay gene" has not been discovered does not mean that homosexuality is not genetic in its causation. This is understandably something that can seem a bit strange to those who have not been educated in fields of science and advanced biology, and it is also why people who are not scientists ought not try to explain the processes in simple black-and-white terms. There is no gay gene, but there is also no "height gene" or "skin tone gene" or "left-handed gene." These, like sexuality, have a heritable aspect, but no one dominant gene is responsible for them.

      Many genes, working in sync, contribute to the phenotype and therefore do have a role in sexual orientation. In many animal model systems, for example, the precise genes involved in sexual partner selection have been identified, and their neuro-biochemical pathways have been worked out in great detail. A great number of these mechanisms have been preserved evolutionarily in humans, just as they are for every other behavioral trait we know (including heterosexuality).

      Furthermore, there are many biologic traits which are not specifically genetic but are biologic nonetheless. These traits are rooted in hormonal influences, contributed especially during the early stages of fetal development. This too is indisputable and based on extensive peer-reviewed research the world over. Such prenatal hormonal influences are not genetic per se, but are inborn, natural, and biologic nevertheless.

      Having said that, in the realm of legal rights, partnership rights, and anti-discrimination protections, the gay gene vs. choice debate is actually quite irrelevant. Whether or not something is a choice is not a suitable criterion for whether someone should have equal rights and protections. Religion is indisputably a choice, but that fact is a not a valid argument for discriminating against a particular religion.

      This is not an issue in dispute. According to modern science: baby, you were born this way

      February 9, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Canuckgirl

      So, if marriage is for procreation only, then anyone unable to have children (seniors, people who are sterile – think mumps in adult men, for instance, or anyone else who is unable to procreate) cannot marry?
      Oh, and a note to the reverend – in Canada, opposition to gay marriage is not forbidden, or a hate crime, unless you are inciting violence or hatred against gay, something I'm certain no Christian would do – or would they?

      February 9, 2012 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Ousman

    Pastor, gays have th right to hapiness befor leaving this earth. Let them live . Help them. I am not a gay but i am ready to fight for them. I m a burkinabè so far from th usa .

    February 9, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Report abuse |
  64. John

    He is a bigot, racist and down right stupid. When was the last he spoke with God.

    February 9, 2012 at 12:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alexander

      My first response is..."who cares? He's black!"....

      February 10, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
  65. Drew

    What a jerk, and his comment about Canada is COMPLETELY untrue. The members of the Westborough Church might be jailed for hate speech there, but not really anything short of that

    February 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Haas Ceburn

      Scientifically, it takes a man and woman to produce children and sustain human existence. I don't think gay marriage is what the creator intended for the survival of our species, so agree with the pastor. I don't believe that gay is a race of people like white, black, or brown but a perverted choice comparable to pedofilia.

      February 9, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • pokerface

        What about my husband and I? Male and female, but we decided never to have children. Where do we fit in your scheme?

        February 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • yeahalright

        So then don't marry someone of your gender if you feel that way.

        February 9, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Laura

        I'm a lesbian and a parent. My partner and I planned this baby. Not that your argument is valid when it comes to state rights- one does not need the capability to procreate in order to get a marriage certificate.

        February 10, 2012 at 2:34 am | Report abuse |
  66. R

    Hmm, what does the bible say about gluttony tubby preacher man? Oh, that's right – the bible doesn't apply to you.

    February 9, 2012 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
    • mmgold

      I totally agree with you. It cracks me up how some Christians pick and choose what scriptures they're going to follow.

      February 9, 2012 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
  67. Al Stoner

    With Correction. Sodomy and sodomizing are still words defined in any standard dictionary with a connection to the city of Sodom, which was destroyed by the God of heaven. Aside from that consideration, in the realm of electricity, male plugs do not serve any purpose except when used with female receptacles. In the realm of plumbing, male threaded fittings serve absolutely no purpose except when threaded into their female counterparts. Shouldn't common sense and reason make abundantly clear that sodomy is not right. There was also a time not very long ago when sodomy was a crime, punishable by law. Sodomy is a desecration of the male and female marriage relationship

    February 9, 2012 at 11:32 am | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      So then don't do sodomy if it's not your thing. Your marriage will therefore be undesecrated.

      February 9, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      By your logic, sodomy is totally natural. I don't think the problem is that the parts don't fit together. One thing fits into another thing, that's the whole point. Oh, and also, sodomy can happen between a man and a woman too...

      February 9, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yo!

      "Sodomy and sodomizing are still words defined in any standard dictionary with a connection to the city of Sodom, which was destroyed by the God of heaven. "

      Don't you just love Christians that take things out of context to justify their bigotry. Obviously you didn't read Ezekiel, the sins of Sodom are spelled out there, greed, lust, not taking care of the needy. Wow no wonder religious people are so screwed up on this subject their reading comprehension sucks!

      February 9, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Seems to me I've seen MALE-TO-MALE adapters in the hardware store. Guess that's unnatural. Really, this kind of wordplay is only to try to explain an irrational bigotry.

      February 11, 2012 at 1:35 am | Report abuse |
  68. Al Stoner

    Sodomy is still a word defined in any standard dictionary with a connection to the city of Sodom, which destroyed by the God of heaven. Aside from that consideration, in the realm of electricity, male plugs do not serve any purpose except when used with female receptacles. In the realm of plumbing, male threaded fittings serve absolutely no purpose except when threaded into their female counterparts. There was a time not very long ago when sodomy was a crime, punishable by law. Sodomy is a desecration of the male and female marriage relationship.

    February 9, 2012 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Craig

      A male, polarized, US, 110V plug is only useful with a female, polarized, US 110V receptacle, just as a 4-40 male thread is only useful with a female 4-40 thread. This is living proof that God did not intend for people of different races or religions to marry. Or maybe it's just silly to use man-made, inanimate objects to discuss human behavior.

      February 9, 2012 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      "Sodomy is still a word defined in any standard dictionary with a connection to the city of Sodom, which destroyed by the God of heaven."

      If you read Ezekiel you would know that the reason it was destroyed was because the inhabitants were nasty, depraved, and uncompromisingly greedy – it has nothing to do with gays!

      February 9, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      "This is living proof that God did not intend for people of different races or religions to marry."

      Funny how over 1500 species on this earth have been documented in gay relationships, it's a part of nature, you would think your god wouldn't have shown it in all animals! Oh, that's right because it has to do with hormone levels in the womb, the formation of the brain.....

      February 9, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • CoryJ

        @Really? and Erik....I love you two!! You ROCK!

        February 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      So if you feel that way, then don't get into sodomy. I'm not into it either. So I don't do it. What do I care if two other consenting adults are? Please explain how the actions of people outside your marriage desecrate or indeed affect your marriage in any way? Take some responsibility for your own marriage please.

      February 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
  69. Russell O'Donnell

    "Anything the bible says is good for society, I stand on it and I will not compromise on it. "

    In other words, you don't think for yourself.

    You really don't question that a book written over 2,000 years ago could get a couple things wrong?

    February 9, 2012 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
  70. Paul N

    This idiot's ramblings should have nothing to do with civil marriage in this country. This is not a theocracy and many of us do not believe in your fantasy called the Bible!!

    February 9, 2012 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
  71. WhatACrock

    Keep your fairy tales out of my legislation, please.

    February 9, 2012 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
  72. Ben

    This is ridiculous. I wonder how many sausages this porker has shoved down that hole in his face, and it also looks like he has cut the hair on sides of his head. I hate pick and chose religious people like this.

    Back to the fields with you rev. I need someone to pick my cotton.

    February 9, 2012 at 11:01 am | Report abuse |
  73. HAG

    If you follow the bible then how mant oeople have you killed? Yhat is in the bible many mant times.

    February 9, 2012 at 10:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Devin

      God said it, I believe it, and that settles it.

      February 9, 2012 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
      • John

        I'm fine with that settling it for you. It"s when you think you have a right to make it settle it for me that I call foul.

        February 11, 2012 at 1:38 am | Report abuse |
  74. Craig

    Wouldn't the Bible (Numbers 15:32-36) condemn a person for playing NFL Football games on Sundays? Perhaps the Reverend Hutcherson has already atoned for this by killing a goat (a female without blemish) as a sin offering. (Leviticus 4:27-29)

    February 9, 2012 at 10:40 am | Report abuse |
    • 757Matt

      Though I get your point, the Sabbath is Saturday not Sunday. His college football would have been condemned if played between dusk on Friday and dusk on Saturday not his NFL football on Sundays.

      February 9, 2012 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      I'm trying to sell my daughter. The bible is cool with it. What's your bid?

      February 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Todd

    I'm confused especially by this 'Anything the bible says is good for society, I stand on it and I will not compromise on it.'

    So slavery, totally okay with that. Strange words coming from a black pastor. The pastor should also look more specifically at the context of that Canadian ruling. I suppose he would be totally okay if I went around with fliers saying how blacks are a plague on a caucasian nation or something equally ridiculous. I frankly don't see what the difference would be.

    Also, nothing being said really stands up to facts. When you look at the statistics on social well being of each country in the world, it is the secular nations that are rated the best. US is way down on the list. I believe it is 96 on the list of over 150 countries. The secular nations have the lower crime rates, better health care, etc.

    Honestly, I don't care what the bible says considering its negative effects on society that have been proven time and time again. The issue is whether the government should allow for gay marriage. The one and only reason that people oppose it is purely personal religious belief. If there was a pure, legitimate, rational reason to oppose it, then that would make sense. I would love for someone to give me a non-biblical, non-anecdotal reason to oppose it. Until then, I am not sure how anyone could legitimately oppose it without being thought of as a bigot.

    February 9, 2012 at 10:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Brandy

      "I would love for someone to give me a non-biblical, non-anecdotal reason to oppose it. Until then, I am not sure how anyone could legitimately oppose it without being thought of as a bigot."

      Well said!

      February 9, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Qualia

    "...Anything the bible says is wrong for society has always proven to be wrong."

    Where is the moral outrage against the shrimping industry?

    February 9, 2012 at 8:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      lolz

      February 9, 2012 at 11:02 am | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      Not to mention I shook hands with about 8 women today at a meeting. Statistically speaking, one or two of them were on their periods. I'm so gonna burn forever.

      February 9, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
  77. bails

    Great article! Thanks for sticking to what you know to be true and not being swayed by what some are saying we should do! "Never confuse the will of the majority with the will of God"!!!

    February 9, 2012 at 8:05 am | Report abuse |
  78. RTB

    He claims that Canada has been destroyed by allowing gay marriage. His proof?? Someone was prosecuted for threatening violence against gays. If that's the worst we have to fear, bring on gay marriage in every state.

    February 9, 2012 at 6:31 am | Report abuse |
  79. Patrick

    but god doesn't exist

    February 9, 2012 at 5:43 am | Report abuse |
  80. Alex

    "Anything the bible says is good for society" I've heard that argument before. It was used in the 1800s to deny black people their freedom (Exodus 21:20 was used as an excuse that God was OK with slavery), in the 1920s to deny women the right to vote (1 Timoth 2:12 was used as an excuse to deny women their right to vote), etc.
    If there is one thing I have faith in is that history will judge those who use the bible as a weapon of intolerance.

    Yes, Rev. Hutcherson I am speaking to you : History will judge the likes of you just like history now judges those who advocated slavery and oppressed many other peoples all in the name of God and the bible.

    February 9, 2012 at 4:55 am | Report abuse |
  81. crazyPDJ

    You are proving fables from the Bible with other fables from the Bible. You know nothing.

    February 9, 2012 at 3:58 am | Report abuse |
  82. Lu

    I bet this guy was quoting Leviticus while downing a few sausage and biscuits. Can't pick and choose, can ya?

    February 9, 2012 at 1:53 am | Report abuse |
  83. Jessen

    I fully support what Rev says. Marriage must be between a man and a women. this is what God intended.

    February 9, 2012 at 12:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Todd

      So violate the first amendment then because the only reason to oppose it is because the bible, a religious text, says so?

      February 9, 2012 at 10:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      "Marriage must be between a man and a women. this is what God intended."

      Really, so then a brother and sister should be able to marry how else did Adam and Eve get the world to populate itself. LOL! Oh and your bible supports polygamy too, so men you can have multiple wives! Then lastly lets not forget that a women has to marry her rapist and you have to stone your children to death when they talk back to you!

      February 9, 2012 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lilly

        Please post more nonsense from the bible. I understand it is just full of utterly insane statements, although most have been edited out of more modern versions – which is blasphemy as far as I know.

        February 9, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • yeahalright

        Lilly, judging by your username, you are female. If you have your period you are not to have contact with anyone. Just a friendly tip.

        February 9, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Scott

    So Rev. Kenneth Hutcherson wants to BAN JEWS, MUSLINS, or ANY OTHER RELIGIONS that don't believe in his bible from getting married in the USA. The biggest sin is to deny Jesus after all so why should those that commit this sin be allowed to marry? Make sure your not wearing polyester pants with a cotton shirt as preach the ultimate anti American lecture on how your religion should be treat differently from other religions and how the founders were wrong in separating church from state. Time to start taxing your church if you want to take away my right to equality.

    February 8, 2012 at 11:54 pm | Report abuse |
  85. Jesus

    Wait, by traditional marriage you mean white man + white woman and black man + black woman, right? After all, that's what conservative Christians thought God wanted only a few decades ago. God must be a pretty fickle guy from the conservative Christian point of view.

    February 8, 2012 at 11:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Knowledge

      So if that were true, how did blacks get black and whites get white? Adam and Eve were made in the Garden of Eden. It is believed the Garden of Eden is in Midddle east. They would have been brown. And when they continued to populate the planet, we didn't just all of a sudden have black and whites. No, as people got displaced around the world after the fall of the tower of Babel, the conditions...environnement changed the color of our skin. We all bleed red don't we? We are all human aren't we? You would know that if you studied the scriptures and old ancients texts.And I don't mean just the bible. So inter racial marriage is not the common belief of most of us Christians. Now gay marriage is a different story!

      February 10, 2012 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
  86. tommy

    i wish there was an island that people like your self can go live on. than you can make new rules to exclude and ostracize eachother!

    February 8, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
  87. TJ Stanley

    This is why I'm no longer a Christian. People like this have chased me away.

    February 8, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Martin

      You make a good point, it makes me realize that I haven't been to church in a long time. I don't want to be a part of something that subverts the teachings of jesus. I am unable to go to church because it has become all about exclusion of certain groups. The election is the same way, it's becoming all about birth control and other crazy stuff. People like this man confuse their faith with their hatred for people who are different from them. Christ taught the opposite, to refute hatred and accept others as they are.

      February 9, 2012 at 8:15 am | Report abuse |
      • Drwdr1

        I am in total agreement about attending church. Did you notice that most of the quotes he used came from the old testament? Jesus dying on the cross changed the game – a lot. There are many other "rules" in Leviticus that are overlooked and ignored. You cannot pick and choose, and I highly doubt that even this preacher would. Instead of this man hearing, "Well done..." He may hear, "I'm disappointed..."

        February 9, 2012 at 10:49 am | Report abuse |
    • Ran

      @TJ Stanley- 'This is why I'm no longer a Christian. People like this have chased me away' -really? You are in Church because that is the Body of Christ and the bible instructs you to fellowship with the Church. You are in Church not only be served but to serve too. You are in Church to glorify God, to teach the message that Jesus Christ walked this earth to teach and ultimately sacrificed His life for. If you are a Christian, you are expected to go to Church, be it perfect or otherwise (most probably otherwise) AND you are expected to adhere to the teachings of the Bible. You cannot twist and manipulate the Word of God to suite your needs. If it says something is a sin in the Bible, it is a sin today, tomorrow and forever and that's that. The Bible doesn't now evolve or metamorphise with time and modernization. The Bible states that hom..se..uality is a sin, so we Christians have to view it as such. HOWEVER, we don't hate the sinner, it's just the sin that we hate, just like we don't hate the murderer or the thief, just the sin.

      February 9, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Max

      People like this so-called "reverend" bullied and terrorized me as a youth. I think of Jesus and I feel disgust and hate, not love. I went from plain ignorance of Christianity to utter loathing and total disrespect. Because people like this Reverend cannot keep his unwanted judgmental opinions out of my face.

      February 11, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Brett

    MISTER Hutcherson, Stop trying to impose your Christian Sharia Law on the United States of America.

    February 8, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lu

      Oh, but it's not RELIGIOUS law if CHRISTIANS impose it. Only if other faiths contradict what CHRISTIANITY wants.

      February 9, 2012 at 1:54 am | Report abuse |
  89. Paul A.

    Rev. Hutcherson writes: "Anything the bible says is good for society, I stand on it and I will not compromise on it. What the bible says is good for society has always proven to be good."

    The bible also talks about human slavery as an acceptable aspect of society. Does the good Reverend also support that as being "good for society?"

    February 8, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      I'm sorry Paul, but no where in the Bible does it advocate slavery in the modern sense. This is a super common and popular argument, but a shallow and uninformed one.

      Slavery was often a way for poor people who would otherwise starve to find a way to be fed and have shelter at the cost of selling themselves for a period of time. There were no food stamps. That's why parents would sell their children into slavery when they could no longer adequately provide for them. It was sometimes the better choice in a lose-lose situation.

      After a number of years, they were often off the hook. If their masters were kind to them, they could willingly continue working for that person as a "bond servant." In a way, it was like being an employee, maid/butler, etc. When people read the Bible today and see the word "slave," they immediately think of what the American Whites did against the Blacks. This guilt persists today, but this is not necessarily the case for biblical times. Translation is a tricky art, and "slave" could often be equated more with someone serving a person in a superior position of authority. It was not about being property or treated as an animal. If anything, there are numerous accounts throughout where the actions of slaves are praised over that of the master's. Heck, Jesus called himself a "servant" and washed people's feet. He didn't consider himself other people's property. Serving others was always lauded as a virtue. Oppression and "slavery" in today's sense of the word was always something God led people out of (e.g., the Exodus, or military victory over the oppressor). In other instances, the Bible uses the phrase "slave to righteousness" as a good thing, but common sense should tell you it's using the word in a different sense.

      In other scenarios, slavery was an act of punishment against a group of people for crimes committed over decades or centuries. It was not haphazard, nor was it considered good. But punishment and justice do exist whether our modern soft/compromised society likes to acknowledge it or not. Liberals today like to pretend that anything unpleasant and not fuzzy is immoral.

      In 50 years, people will look back at the U.S. and laugh at how backwards we used to be. But we insist we're right, everyone else (from other countries or time periods) is wrong. The only truth that stands still throughout the ages–unchanging with the tides–is God and His word. If you can't see that, then I'm truly sorry.

      February 9, 2012 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
      • Ozymandias71

        Joe, your post is, in fact, proof-positive of someone trying to rationalize something unpopular the Bible says. You are, in effect, telling us that any verses upholding slavery 'must be taken in context'... but verses condemning Gays and Lesbians shouldn't be? That's a classic example of cherry-picking verses to suit your ideology. If you don't see that, then I'm very sorry.

        February 9, 2012 at 11:52 am | Report abuse |
      • seraphim0

        Then there's the admonition about eating shellfish. Or perhaps all the killing allowed for 'crimes' which we have decided to modernizer. Working on the Sabbath, etc. You people LOVE to cherry pick your own beliefs.

        February 9, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Really?

        "I'm sorry Paul, but no where in the Bible does it advocate slavery in the modern sense. "

        Guess what no where in your bible does your god condemn the saved loving relationship of gay people as we know and understand it today. What the bible condemns is worshiping a pagan god using sex, male prostittution, part of reading comprehension is putting it into historical context which this pastor is NOT doing.

        February 9, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • yeahalright

        One part of your post is accurate: In 50 years, people will look back at the U.S. and laugh at how backwards we used to be.

        Because you and other hate mongers will have died or be senile in their beds and the younger generations, for all their faults, will stay the heck out of other people's love lives.

        February 9, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
  90. Dan Waldmann

    Reverend Hutcherson - I sincerely hope that you are reading, reflecting and praying on Reverend Denton's editorial piece tonight. One of you is a true earthly beacon for God's light, and it's not you. You worship the rules of an ancient human society, not the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    February 8, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Report abuse |
  91. robg8r

    Preach on Brother

    February 8, 2012 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
  92. k

    Really is this guy honestly this stupid? This guy writes like an 8 year old who still believes that life has black and white issues (not the racial kind). What sort of drugs is he on? What world does he live in? Not the real one.

    February 8, 2012 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
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