Opinion: Contraception denigrates me as a woman
Pokorny: "Should I so easily accept... that I need to alter a part of myself that’s working properly in order to be free or fulfilled?"
February 15th, 2012
04:22 PM ET

Opinion: Contraception denigrates me as a woman

Editor’s Note: Valerie Pokorny is actively involved in marriage preparation programs, natural family planning instruction and chastity education in the Archdiocese of San Antonio, Texas. 

An opposing view can be read here.

By Valerie Pokorny, Special to CNN

(CNN) - In the face of the Health and Human Services mandate to provide contraception coverage, I stand with my fellow Catholics hoping our religious freedom will be respected.

But more importantly, I stand as a woman hoping who I am will be respected.

Four times a year, I walk into a room of Catholic moms and their middle school or high school daughters to help them see why being a woman matters, as part of the Archdiocese of San Antonio’s Mother-Daughter Programs on the Gift of Femininity.

I tell them it’s no accident that they are women, that women are equal to men in personal dignity, and that men and women are different by design. Those differences are meant to work together for the benefit of each individual, but also for the benefit of the world around them. I tell them there’s such a thing as the genius of women - and that the world needs them to cherish this in themselves and strive to live it out to the fullest because it is good. The world would be impoverished without it.

To make it more practical, I pass out a few popular magazines straight from the checkout lane. I ask them to tag several examples of “girl genius.” They eagerly start flipping through the pages. After a few minutes, I ask each group to share the examples they found.

Then I ask if they ran into any obstacles in looking for those examples of girl genius. 'Yes,' they respond. The view of women in these magazines is often focused on appearances and overtly sexualized. They sense the pressure to conform to standards that lower the bar for both men and women alike.

They see glimpses of women being valued for their skill, their intelligence, their abilities, the positive contributions they make to the world around them, often including motherhood. But those glimpses are overshadowed by racy headlines and flashy displays of the latest trends in personal care, sexual techniques, or celebrity gossip.

All acknowledge that the values society sets for woman don’t always measure up to the fullness of her personal dignity. They separate, reduce, commoditize, selectively ignore, and sometimes outright reject certain aspects of woman, subjecting her to powerful pressure to conform.

Indeed, throughout history woman has been at a sore disadvantage in terms of having the freedom to thrive and contribute her many, varied gifts to society.

This is why I find the case made by our current administration in regard to the Health and Human Services mandate so difficult to swallow.

The Obama administration’s primary talking point on this issue is that “Every woman should be in control of the decisions that affect her own health.”

I agree. 100 percent.

But from there, the defense sounds like slick advertising for the contraceptive industry: To be a healthy woman, you need contraception. All the successful women use it. You can’t live without it.

Should I so easily accept the implication that I need to alter a part of myself that’s working properly in order to be free or fulfilled? I find this premise tremendously offensive. To me, this exerts pressure tantamount to that felt by women who purge after eating to attain or maintain a particular body image. It encourages women to think that their value is somehow intrinsically tied to how sexually available and desirable they are.

I thought the whole moral obligation to fulfill a husband’s sexual needs was a thing of the past... but alas, it’s been repackaged for a new secular generation. Women are still evaluated heavily on the basis of their uninhibited sexual availability, which contraception ensures precisely by severing women from their fertility.  (When a woman uses “contraception” for medical reasons other than preventing a pregnancy it's not technically contraception, and the Catholic Church doesn't necessarily prohibit these uses.)

My fertility is not a disease. It does not need to be repressed, manipulated, or rejected. It ought to be accepted and respected accordingly, by individuals and by society as a whole. And if that means exercising a bit of self control now and then, well, that’s a hell of a lot more dignified than saying, “Eh, we got this pill that makes self control unnecessary. I want pleasure now. Let’s get it on!”

Which begs the further question: Why do we tend to treat woman as if she is always fertile? It seems to me informed fertility awareness would be a game-changer for many women, helping them to understand and care for their overall reproductive health instead of feeling a need to simply control their fertility. Modern fertility-awareness-based methods (many of which fall under the umbrella term Natural Family Planning, or NFP) empower both women and men with accurate knowledge about a woman’s individual, unique reproductive cycle based on observable fertility signs, such as basal body temperature and changes in cervical mucus, that tell them when ovulation occurs.

I’ve found most people write off NFP because they think it’s outdated, ineffective, or only works for women with regular cycles. Frankly, I don’t think they understand what modern NFP entails. The so-called rhythm, or calendar, approach is to today’s NFP like the Model T is to today’s automobile industry: First formalized in the 1930s, it was based on the scientific knowledge available in its day, but we’ve come a long way since then.

Even secular sources are wising up to the benefits of modern fertility-awareness-based methods, which can not only be effective at avoiding pregnancy, but can even help to diagnose and treat causes of infertility. I urge skeptics to research specific modern methods such as the Sympto-Thermal Method, the Creighton Model, or the Marquette Model (which incorporates a fertility monitor.)

I’m all for the progress of woman. Let’s just make sure in promoting her progress, we don’t reject something that is inherently part of her in the first place.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Valerie Pokorny.

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  1. einnor

    This must be the famous CNN liberal bias 😉

    February 20, 2012 at 11:52 am | Report abuse |
  2. mike

    Valerie, it's your right not to take the pill. Nor is anyone threatening your right to practice or encourage archaic birth control methods, however irresponsible it may be. Your article is barking up the wrong tree.

    You do NOT have the right to order others to practice the same methods, or otherwise impede scientifically proven alternative methods, whether or not they are on your church's payroll.

    Some are arguing that the government has no right to legislate how the church chooses to compensate its workers, even IF churches are granted tax exemption by the same government. To that I say WRONG, that's exactly what the government does. After all, I don't recall being asked, as a taxpayer, if I approved of my money being spent on the Iraq War...

    February 20, 2012 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Theresa

      Please Mike...tell me how my choice, like Ms. Pokorny's, to not use birth control, is "irresponsible"? Really?? I have four wonderful, productive children who have contributed widely to this world and plan to continue. I feed them, insure them and make them responsible for their own actions. How exactly is that irresponsible?

      I have never used my insurance to purchase birth control, I have never asked the government to take care of my children and I certainly have never hurt you. How on earth is that irresponsible?

      February 20, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Jen

    What a completely ignorant article. Just because a woman has the right to choose to use birth control, doesn't mean a person should feel obligated to take the pill. Cmon.

    February 20, 2012 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
    • mike

      Yep. Big time strawman piece.

      February 20, 2012 at 11:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Theresa

      You missed the point. Should Catholic organizations, as private facilities, be forced to pay and support birth control and abortions that they fundamentally do not believe in?

      If you own a company that treats diabetes and cares for the families who have diabetes, would you want Obama to come in and force you to offer them monthly support to purchase candy and cookies, when you fundamentally believe it will not be in their best interests? Forcing you to endorse that somehow this is good for them?

      February 20, 2012 at 5:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patrick

        That is a bad example. Try this:
        You know that eating celery will cause a person to be sent to hell. But celery has be identified as the best method of ensuring someone does not get pregnant, and the federal government is demanding that women who request celery as part of their health coverage be provided it.
        What legal reason would you have to deny her?

        February 20, 2012 at 5:44 pm | Report abuse |
  4. JOSE0311USMC


    February 20, 2012 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
  5. Uche

    For the life of me, I will never understand the argument against contraceptives. I'd rather pay for women to use contraceptives than to have my tax dollars go towards feeding and maintaining a baby. At the same time, many conservatives complain about tax dollars going towards maintaining welfare. For goodness' sake, just pick one!

    February 20, 2012 at 9:57 am | Report abuse |
    • JOSE0311USMC

      MY POINT 2

      February 20, 2012 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
    • JOSE0311USMC


      February 20, 2012 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
  6. rockysfan

    Thanks but no thanks. I do not need someone to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body. I do not need a man to make decisions for me and my body. I can make those decisions all on my own. Thank you very much!
    If you want to be second class to a man, go right a head. Not going to happen here, no way, no how!

    February 20, 2012 at 9:11 am | Report abuse |
  7. MiGrant

    Overly emotionalized and blown out of proportion...typical Catholic propaganda...

    February 20, 2012 at 8:12 am | Report abuse |
  8. Mom

    I never respond to these types of articles – but this one takes the cake.

    Jesus never made any comment on the use of contraception and neither does the Bible. The whole idea that a woman is committing a sin by using birth control is wrong and needs to stop. There are so many wonderful ways for the church to spend time and energy – this is a waste of time. There are real crimes and real sins, can the church focus on that.

    The Catholic church is fighting a silly fight. I am sad to see energy that could be used on really issues wasted on this one.

    February 20, 2012 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Theresa

      Wow Mom...of course you know what is sin and what is silly. We should have asked you 2000 years ago. Silly us.

      I get that the Catholic Church is often misunderstood. Let's not forget that my personal relationship with Christ is mine and I appreciate guidance on issues that allow me to avoid sin and have a closer relationship. Sometimes, you can take an issue an make it seem ridiculous, rip it apart to make fun of and abuse...but in the end, you don't get to set the rules of my faith or my Church and you certainly don't get to sort out sins. I'll leave that to my God.

      February 20, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
  9. dakota2000

    Exactly when did Christ tell people not to use birth control?

    Is it the 11th commandment? Moses just left that one out?

    The catholic churches position has nothing to do with faith. Sorry. Its all made up.

    February 20, 2012 at 12:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Sarah

      You have to be the dumbest person on the planet. Birth control was invented a very long time after the bible was written. While some modifications (names and dates) have been changed, they are not going to change the bible to include birth control.

      February 20, 2012 at 12:57 am | Report abuse |
      • Eyes are open

        Sarah, Did you think your response through? If God is all seeing, all knowing, and has plans for all of us. Do you think somewhere in the book written by MEN he would of said something like “The womb is sacred” or “that women with child shall be protected” NO because the book written by MEN that have always thought of women as second class people, Chattel, servants to MEN. I guess you what to be un equal, want to walk behind the men, want to stay in the kitchen and want to stay pregnant. People like you that use the bible at a bat to beat people over the head with, because you love us, make me puke.

        February 20, 2012 at 2:44 am | Report abuse |
      • herocrest

        @Sarah, that means it is not a sin, this is quite similar to the time when some folks refused to use aspirins and medication because it's not in the bible. Is using aspirin a sin?

        February 20, 2012 at 6:14 am | Report abuse |
      • Adam

        Actually, there have been forms of contraception used throughout the span of human history – with the first recorded reference to it made by Aristotle in the 4th century BC. So the fact that the Bible makes no reference to it is not because it was an unknown concept to the biblical authors, but presumably because it wasn't considered to be an issue of importance. Apparently not eating shell-fish was a much higher priority.

        February 20, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Theresa

      Yeah Dakota2000....glad you could clarify. I feel so much better using your logic over my Church's teaching.

      February 20, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patrick

        Praise Xenu!

        February 20, 2012 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patrick

        After all, no logic can stand up to the power of Tim Cruise!

        February 20, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Jess

    Okay, then I don't want the money I pay into insurance or my taxes to pay for a smoker's lung cancer treatment, or an obese person's diabetes treatment. I don't want to pay for insurance that covers fixing up a drunk driver who wrapped his car around a tree. It's like cable, you can't pick and choose.

    February 19, 2012 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill

      This is by far the best response to this article. My thoughts exactly. Thanks!

      February 20, 2012 at 3:44 am | Report abuse |
  11. mark

    " Contraception denigrates me as a woman",

    and you are free not to take it.

    Now how about respecting other women's right to do as they please regarding contraception.

    February 19, 2012 at 8:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Country Doc

      Nobody said that a woman cn't take BCP. Just don't expect me to pay for it.

      February 19, 2012 at 8:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • samantha

        Don't expect me to pay for your babies....or anyone elses.

        February 19, 2012 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Adam

        Hey "Country Doc," I assume you're familiar with the concept of health insurance – you know, a shared pool of resources that people pay into to defray their individual healthcare costs and risks? You don't want your insurance dollars to support a woman's birth control? Well, she probably doesn't want her copayment to go towards your Viagra.

        February 20, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
  12. someone

    jesus2020.com wanna get saved

    February 19, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
  13. EdelAndrea

    I just don't take this woman seriously at all. She acts as if women have never heard of NFP. She thinks we take contraceptives purely to serve the male agenda. She is one part of the cog in the Catholic church's hypocratic machine. It doesn't even bother me, just kind of ridiculous that this woman get an article on here.

    February 19, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alec

      Regardless of what this woman's opinion is, or what drives it, the article is up on this page for a good reason: Reminder.

      It's a strong reminder that there are consequences with taking or not taking contraception, and thats something that strongly needs to be reminded to our youth who are growing up believing taking a Pill is a permit to do whatever you want without question.

      If any fellow men can keep an open mind, I would encourage them to read this article just to remind them of what goes through some womens' minds when they have to confront the birth control issue.

      February 20, 2012 at 4:09 am | Report abuse |
      • Patrick

        Agreed. It would be unfortunate if an open-minded male was unable to recognize such a mindset in a woman and avoid a relationship with her like the plague.

        February 20, 2012 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
  14. Cate

    My problem with this article is that the author makes the assertion that the contraceptive industry is trying to make people think that "to be a healthy woman, you need contraception".
    You don't need contraception to be a healthy woman, but women do need access to it if they choose to use it, and it needs to be affordable.
    I respect that if you are a Catholic, or even if you're just against it, you have the right not to use it, but why shove your beliefs down others throats and force them into being unable to use contraceptives because YOU don't believe in it?
    It all comes down to beliefs. If you don't believe in it, don't do it, but don't stop others from doing what they feel is best for themselves financially and emotionally.

    February 19, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Diane

      You are free to believe and act as you want in this area. Nobody is trying to force anything down your throat. But why are you trying to force us to pay for it? If people want contraceptives, they should pay for them themselves.

      February 19, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • samantha

        How about if those of us who can't have children and do not want to have children help pay for contraceptives through our insurance premiums and tax dollars and not have our financial support go to those who want babies? All those who want babies or do not believe in contraceptives will not have to pay for contraceptives, just pay the money in their premiums necessary to pay for prenatal care & child birth? Sounds fair to me. We all get what we want.

        February 19, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jojo1111

        Diane, you are truly ignorant and need a reality check. Aside from contraceptives being a medical fact of life for many women of all backgrounds, the people who need contraceptives most are the people who can't afford them – the poor, families financially struggling to support the kids they already have, and those young people who are just starting out in life. You obviously have no comprehension of the real situation of many American children who live in poverty and depend on government meals at school for their only nourishment throughout the day. Also, consider the many people who are unfit to have children and manage to spend their public benefits for drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, and new clothes for themselves, vs for their children's needs? Have you ever seen or heard about neglected little kids, purposely locked out of their home by their mother, trying to get water by laying empty discarded bottles into a mud puddle? Kids who have only one outfit to wear to school that their parent never washes? Ask public school teachers, policemen and social workers about what they see on a daily basis. Watch the show COPS, those aren't actors and there are often children in the background. Just because you have some snug and smug home life doesn't mean everyone else does.

        February 20, 2012 at 6:56 am | Report abuse |
      • Adam

        OK Diane, that's an opinion that you're welcome to have, but let me point out the logical application of it since I don't think you've really thought it through. Do you smoke? Are you overweight? Do you drive a car? Do you have any loved ones who have infertility, chronic health diseases, or ride a bicycle without helmets? Perhaps you see where I'm going here. Based on your premise of picking and choosing what health expenditures are more or less valid based on your personal opinions of other peoples behavior completely defeats the purpose of health insurance.

        The basic premise of health insurance is a for a large, diverse group to pool it's resources to cover their healthcare costs, thereby sharing the burden and spreading out the risk. This means that men pay for women's breast cancer treatments, women pay for men's vasectomies, old people pay for young people's birth control, and young and healthy people pay for everyone else. The system is inherently dependent on your money paying for things that you don't need or want, so I don't think you'd like the results of your premise if they were applied to you.

        February 20, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Emeka

      Please can you explain to me why I cannot just purchase drugs freely. I love drugs, I feel it is good for my life but I don´t have free access to it.

      February 20, 2012 at 5:54 am | Report abuse |
  15. MikeyM

    Keep your bible and your "morals" out of my life and away from my family. You and your middle ages mentality are the minority in this country. The rest of us living in the 21st century will continue to try improving the world without you.

    February 19, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Catholic

      I don't know why you are so threatened by her viewpoint. She specifically says that women should have the right to choose what they want to do with their bodies. But why should she (and her Church) have to condone that behavior or condone the use of contraceptives for herself and others who don't believe in it?

      February 19, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jaime


        February 20, 2012 at 1:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Philly

      An interesting response considering none of her argumentum was theologically based. How can you demand she keep her religion away from you when she didn't base anything said on her religion?

      February 19, 2012 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Clarity

    There are a 1 billion catholics. The Pope has the power to prevent massive starvation and the spread of disease including aids and could make an impact on the world.

    But he does nothing.

    February 19, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Philly

      The Catholic Church is the world's biggest charity. And each individual Catholic gives, on average, 5% more of it's income to the poor than any other group. The Vatican is in debt, and still it gives. The pope doesn't even own the clothes on his own back, he's so personally poor. "does nothing", my pimply backside. Enjoy wallowing in your own ignorance.

      February 19, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jaime

        That's the biggest load of rubbish i've ever heard. Enjoy living in your delusions.

        February 20, 2012 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
      • samantha

        The Vatican could sell a couple of paintings and support a third world country for a very long time......The Pope has a real nice roof over his head, three square meals a day, heat in the winter, cooling in the Summer, he HAS clothes to wear under his robes, free medical care............there are millions who have none of these things, millions of children starving in the Sudan. DO NOT even try to tell the Pope has it bad you foolish child!!!

        February 20, 2012 at 10:10 am | Report abuse |
      • Adam

        For a guy who supposedly took vow of poverty I'd say he lives pretty high on the hog. His standard of living is high even for those in high tax brackets in wealthy nations, let alone the majority of the world scraping by on a few dollars a day who never took such a vow. So who's more in keeping with the teachings of everyone's favorite hippy, Jesus Christ? It ain't the Pope.

        February 20, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Dakota2000

    Thank the *ucking Lord for cheap birth control.

    We live in a world of 7 billion people,... an unsustainable population.

    The chinese faced overpopulation and the faced a horrible choice.. allow population growth and face massive deaths from starvation or take severe measures to curb population growth.

    The chinese solution is forced abortions, killing of newborns by doctors using K-Cl injections
    and killing of newborn girls by parents.

    The chinese made this decision to prevent massive death from starvation.

    Are the chinese evil? Do they not love their children? It was for the love of the many that the few are sacrificed.

    So, I say, thank the *ucking Lord for affordable birth control so that we will never have to come to the Chinese solution.

    February 19, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dawn

      Amen to the cheap birth control thingy. However, on the same token, why not try and get the word out about the rhythm method (or at least pulling out) in third world countries? It's free, it's easy and it keeps you from having 17 starving children.

      February 19, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • sherry

        I guess the rhythm method is better than nothing, but it is not reliable.

        February 19, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • samantha

        The rhythm method is not reliable??? {{{{{SHOCKER}}}}!

        February 19, 2012 at 10:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dakota2000

        I agree. Also educating males about condom use would be a big step forward.

        February 20, 2012 at 12:06 am | Report abuse |
  18. MissTeeny

    This author says that the world would be "impoverished" without our natural "womanhood". Isn't it ironic that the countries in the world where there is little birth control and the most children are the most impoverished. Giving women some control over their reproductive cycle is one thing that helps to eliminate poverty.

    February 19, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dakota2000

      Yes, I don't think the irony is lost on any intelligent person. This woman is horrid.

      February 19, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Philly

      Except she's not saying you all need to have as many kids as possible. Your comparison is ludicrous. NFP, if done properly, is just as effective, if not more so, than any other form of birth control out there.

      And those poor countries are so not due to the number of children they have, but due to the poor resources. Much of Africa is a desert. Water is scarce, which also means growing crops is difficult. Minerals and trees are also rare, which means minimal building materials. That's the cause of their poverty.

      February 19, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Abe

        So you're basically saying they don't have the resources to sustain their population? So if they did something to reduce the population over time, possibly by birth control, maybe each individual could live a more full filing life because they would have more recourses per person?

        But Africa is a whole other subject. I think the real issue is that it is not realistic to teach everyone NFP (at least not quickly). I'm guessing the people the Author teaches NFP to are of the middle class sort. Providing cheap birth control will be most effective with young, lower class individuals. The Author is blaming politics for a societal "problem". And I only say problem because that is how the author is faming it. It is not the governments job to change how our society wants to think. I think the Author is doing a very good deed for society, but if she want to change thing she needs to change the way people act, not criticize a law that is meant to protect them. That is why i find the argument of the Catholic establishment hard to justify. If they have a problem with birth control, convince people not to use it. They are just afraid of losing even more people because they aren't doing a good enough job of selling their product and for the entire history of the US, our government has given them a golden pass on nearly everything they want. It seems as though they are acting like spoiled children who for the first time are not getting their way no matter how much they scream and cry (even though they did get a compromise).

        February 19, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Adam

        You don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about. About 30% of the worlds rainforests are found in Africa, the southern half of the continent is in fact very temperate and fertile – the Sahara is not indicative of the entire continent. Furthermore, Africa contains a significant portion of the worlds untapped natural resources. African countries are not poor because of a lack of resources but because of the poor distribution of those resources, government and social complications left over from colonialism, and a world economy and political structures that favor developed nations.

        Furthermore, various forms of NFP have been practiced in every culture throughout history. It *can be an effective means of birth control, but it is in no way as effective or reliable as more modern methods, such as oral contraceptives or condoms. To suggest otherwise is just ludicrous.

        February 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Ex-Catholic

    Dear Ignorant Catholic woman,

    Tens of millions of people have died from Aids. More than died in all of WWII.

    AIDS spread can be largely prevented by use of a Condom which the church prohibits.

    I am sorry, but the only thing the dead know is that they envy the living.
    I don't think they buy your argument.


    February 19, 2012 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Katharine

      AIDS can be totally prevented by the practice of abstinence outside monogamous marriage, which the Catholic Church encourages. People just don't like that solution because it means they don't get everything they want.

      February 19, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • samantha

        Peopel do not like THAT solution because it is unrealistic. Priests take a vow of celebacy and there have been way to many of them breaking their vows. If priests can't follow abstinence how can they or any RC expect it from their congregation? Or the world? Try being "realistic" and not just "moralistic".

        February 19, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jojo1111

        Hey Katharine, maybe priests don't get AIDS because they are raping little kids.

        February 20, 2012 at 5:53 am | Report abuse |
  20. morris2196

    The author is incorrect in her assertion that the contraceptive industry has the message “to be a healthy woman, you need contraception.”. That aside, women can think for themselves; women take contraceptives to control the timing and number of children they have. Duh.

    February 19, 2012 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
  21. Educated

    I was born and raised Catholic and I'll be the first to say, this is why I left the religion as well as the "Christian" faith years ago. Hypocrisy, and just plain ignorance on so many major issues of this world. The writer of this article obviously has some intelligence, it was clear from her article. It was well written, arguments plainly stated and then executed well. However, that being said, her facts were based on what really? A scientific method that has been proven wrong time and time again? The reason it doesn't work is because there is no way to say with certainty that every woman can follow this because no woman has the same body or experiences bodily functions the same way. Every woman's reproductive cycles are different. The same can be said during pregnancies. Talk to women if you think that is wrong because it isn't. No two women have had a similar pregnancy nor have they had the same issues in labor. On that same note, no two women have the exact same menstrual cycles or issues that come with it. Some women are irregular, some are way too heavy, some don't even have one. So how dare you say that this method that works for you could possibly work for someone else? It can't work for a lot of women, and especially young girls who are just entering this phase in life.

    Also, take a look around. We are overpopulated on this Earth, every country is suffering from extreme economical crisis, and you want people to "risk" having unwanted births simply because your version of the bible says so? I don't care that you have faith, that you believe in a deity, that you believe he had a son born on this Earth who could turn water into wine and who died then rose from the dead. However, be realistic sometimes and open your eyes. Parents are barely able to take care of themselves and 1 child and so they take steps to prevent more children. So they try contraceptives (most such as the pill or Nuva ring don't even work so well) such as the Mirena or other methods which require an obscene amount of money. Insurance companies do not pay for it! Why? Because most companies don't pay for the insurance companies to provide it and that's because there isn't a law to protect.
    You say "well it isn't a health issue to have more kids, that's just money."
    I say "you are wrong and here's why"
    1. Money buys food, medicine, clothing, diapers, etc. that are needed for a child to survive and possibly thrive
    2. Money also buys food, medicine, clothing, and needs for the parents to live and thrive (and if they work in a professional setting you try to tell their employer why their clothes are ratty and old, see how that goes over).
    3. Money pays for doctor visits for the family – did it ever cross your mind that every time a child gets sick the parents are also getting sick and they get worse and even more run down because they can't miss work because they have to make the money to pay for whats needed?
    4. Money pays for a place to live (do I really need to prove this?)

    Also, a woman who has had to have C-section (which is a whole other subject that proves that there are some serious issues in the hospitals as well as insurance companies because there is a serious rise) is far more likely to suffer major health issues even years down the road not to mention she is at a higher risk to suffer from post-partum depression. Are you going to then tell her that she can't have birth control which can not only help her body get back to normal but also prevent her from getting pregnant.
    Oh she can breastfeed to prevent an unwanted pregnancy? Right... go tell that to society and her job where they do not give her the time to breastfeed (or pump for that matter. Also, have you ever tried to pump?) and she is practically forced to put her child on formula. Also, not every woman can even produce milk. Some women simply cannot lactate.

    So, I say, make contraceptives available. If you do not wish to use the contraceptives because of your religious beliefs that is your choice. But if you are in charge of a company and you hire people to work there, your religious beliefs don't belong in the workplace anymore than they belong in government. There is a reason to separate these issues and this is a big one. Because NO ONE believes in the same thing.

    Wake up and become educated on real issues involving reproductive health. Yes, it is natural for a woman to give birth, however... there is nothing natural going on in the process anymore. Women deserve the choice to control their bodies.

    What you do with your body is your choice. You have no say in what I do with mine.

    For more information on the truths and realities of injustices when it comes to motherhood, women, feminism, etc. read the following books:
    Pushed by Jennifer Block
    The Motherhood Manifesto by Joan Blades & Kristen Rowe-Finkbeiner
    and visit MomsRIsing.org

    You may find that educating yourself on all areas makes you a far better writer. Also, always remember, everyone has an opinion, but everyone also has a what? Think about it then get back to me.

    February 19, 2012 at 9:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Elisabeth


      She is actually in a unique position to speak about this, because she practices what she preaches. Unlike the other 98% of Catholics (supposedly) or the majority of Americans who have never lived it, she actually practices Natural Family Planning and is in touch with many other people who do the same. That ought to give her an authority on the topic that a lot of other people do not have. Not everything in the world is learned in a book.

      February 19, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • samantha

        She is in the "unique" position of walking her own path. That "uniqueness" has nothing to do with walking in someone elses path. She is not in anyone elses bedroom, married to anyone elses spouse, earning the salary to raise anyone elses children. She is not "unique" enough to know enough to tell anyone else what to do.

        February 19, 2012 at 10:44 pm | Report abuse |
  22. JeffL

    Response to Valerie Pokorny's opinion: That’s great; you choose not to use "the pill". If some other woman wants to, what business is it of yours?

    February 19, 2012 at 9:26 am | Report abuse |
    • love


      February 19, 2012 at 10:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Bill

      Haha AMEN!!!

      February 20, 2012 at 3:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Larry

      It is none of my business. So why am I forced to pay for her pills?

      February 20, 2012 at 10:49 am | Report abuse |
  23. bluemountain


    February 19, 2012 at 5:54 am | Report abuse |
  24. samantha

    OK CNN why post some comments and not others? Is there a logic to what you won't post?

    February 19, 2012 at 3:16 am | Report abuse |
  25. casey9

    why not start teaching men to be responisble about birth control instead of putting it all on the woman?

    February 19, 2012 at 1:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Dakota2000

      Men should be wearing condoms when they have multiple partners, Period. Not just for birth control but for disease control. However, inside of a marriage or committed relationship, I think the Pill is the more sensual choice. As a man, I would take a pill if available.

      February 19, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Nanch

    all of you people are idiots, you comment without reading. contraception makes pharmaceutical companies rich and not to mention put women at health risks and risk of having fertility issues later when they do want to have kids. why so blindly accept contraception. there are other ways to understand your fertility. educate yourself about your body instead of blindly buying into contraception. then after you have educated yourself about all your alternatives, choose. i could care less what you choose but its idiotic to choose something because someone tells you you need it. i happen to be on fertility awareness method (FAM) for years and have not gotten pregnant look it up. its unbelievable how little women know about their body/fertility.

    February 19, 2012 at 1:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Christian

      The condom is the safest and most effective protection against unwanted pregnancy AND MSTs. The Pill works well but does NOT protect against against MSTs and AIDS infection, no more than Vatican-approved methods. Too often, men go ho-ing around, get their wife pregnant AND infected.......and disappear, leaving the woman to deal with physical and financial problems alone (so much for the "lord and master", "breadwinner" argument.

      How often does a man respect a woman's request or demand that he use a condom to protect BOTH of them??? No Way, Baby..........real men need the "natural" feel to be a real man!

      February 19, 2012 at 5:04 am | Report abuse |
      • cmon now

        the church was anti-condoms for years too...just like their position then, they are wrong and overreaching now...hopefully they come around soon and take a step back out of judging people's lives and focus on their own problems

        February 19, 2012 at 9:07 am | Report abuse |
    • samantha

      Prenancy puts women's health at risk....pulmonary emboli, DVTs (deep vein thrombosis), stroke, heart stress, gestational diabetes, pre-eclampsia and eclampsia, ruptured uterus, excessive bleeding...and the list goes on.

      February 20, 2012 at 2:32 am | Report abuse |
      • L

        exactly!!! pregnancy takes a HUGE toll on the mother's body! anyone who denies this is living in la-la land!

        February 20, 2012 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
  27. Kate L

    This article just puts on display the ignorance of the writer. 58% of women take the pill for TREATING LEGITIMATE MEDICAL CONDITIONS OTHER THAN PREVENTING PREGNANCY. I've known virgins who've taken The Pill for exactly such reasons but apparently the suffering of others is of little concern to this writer. She is either very sheltered or very indifferent to the medical needs of others. She needs to seriously do some growing up before airing her opinions again.

    February 19, 2012 at 12:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Trina

      She actually did address the need to use contraception for medical purposes and didn't object to it. Perhap re-read the article in full.

      February 19, 2012 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Philly

      You should probably re-read the article. She addressed exactly that issue.

      February 19, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Enlightened

    I am so thankful to everyone who commented on this article. Your insightful and inspiring counterpoints have convinced me that contraceptives are the solution to so many of the ills in modern life and that most women live happier lives now that they have access to contraceptives. Luckily everyone else was already on this bandwagon and all I had to do was realize how wrong I was and admit that my four coworkers who cry every morning because they left their children in daycare for the fifth day in a row would be happier if they just never had kids. God wouldn't be mean enough to make it good for society for parents to spend time with their kids instead of having their iPad, new car and the jetski... would he?

    I would also like to thank you for making clear to me how crazy, ignorant and bigoted it is of the Catholic Church (and myself before I read your comments) to oppose anything on moral grounds, especially when everyone disagrees with them anyway. Because large groups make people smarter... right?

    February 18, 2012 at 11:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Agnostic

      All of the working mothers I know are not working just so they can have new things. There is nothing wrong with mothers who have a job and decide to have children. If they didn't have children then there wouldn't be another generation to support you in retirement.

      February 19, 2012 at 8:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Jaime

      You're welcome.

      February 20, 2012 at 1:54 am | Report abuse |
  29. Not Even

    In the Middle East it's called Sharia Christianity. If we are raped and we get pregnant we should praise god. We should quit our jobs and find someone else to depend on. It's an abomination.

    February 18, 2012 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
  30. Nweather

    When our gov't. starts appeasing the religious by turning religious beliefs into laws for us all, then we can kiss American values goodbye and start calling ourselves the western Taliban. As you demand that your religion be tolerated and respected, I can only wonder how you cannot see your own arrogance and intolerance toward other religions and those with no religion. Women who wish to use contraception are just as valuable as you, and they deserve to have control over their own family choices protected, just as your choice NOT to use contraception is protected. Having choices is empowering. Having them taken away is denigrating. Your opinion piece is pure narcissistic nonsense.

    February 18, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
  31. susani

    Wow. A devout Catholic insulted by the thought of a contraceptive choice beyond "honey, get off me" and "hmmm... I'm pretty sure I'm not ovulating this week so dim the lights..." Go figure.

    February 18, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
  32. mcp123

    "Doesn't their bible say that s ex is for the purpose of procreating? If that isn't on their minds than I guess they don't need to worry about the act or the prevention."

    Most christians are actually ignoring that...here's to hoping they begin to ignore even more soon.

    Contraception only denigrates you as a woman if you think all a woman is for is making babies.

    February 18, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Jojo1111

    For those who don't want to use birth control, fine, IF you are a responsible person who will be able to support your kids yourself from the cradle through college without public tax dollars. Why should I subsidize irresponsible people who have more kids than they can afford?! And it is absolutely NOT your right to tell others that they CANNOT use birth control. That's the true issue at stake. Women are not being forced to use birth control; if they want to use birth control, it is a medical issue, and it SHOULD be covered under health insurance. I limited the number of children I bore to what I could afford and have enough emotional maturity to rear. It takes money, time, and effort to raise kids, and not everyone is at a point in life where they are ready to have children. What about those people who can't afford kids or do not want them and they end up with an unwanted pregnancy, where the child will be abused and/or neglected?! Those kids who won't have proper beds, clothing, or enough food to eat? Go into inner cities or rural areas and see first hand what poverty is like – see hovels where kids try to survive in the cold without heat or running water. What about kids born to drug addicts who don't know what they are doing. Religious freedom means you can't tell me or any other woman that they can't use birth control.

    February 18, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • george uk

      jojo – ALL what u wrote couldn't be improved upon!

      February 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • L

      I completely agree. However, the one thing that concerns me with the argument about poverty related to drug addicts having unwanted pregnancy is that if they're addicted to drugs, they probably aren't in any frame of mind to remember to take their birth control pill every day, or to use a condom. So I don't know that the case of drug addicts' unwanted pregnancies necessarily enhances the argument. Aside from that, I agree with your comment.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
      • Jojo1111

        Long term birth control is also available such as IUDs, sterilization, and implantable devices that slowly dispense hormones. Babies born to drug addicts have already been damaged in the womb and can face birth defects, premature birth, and lifelong learning difficulties. Further, these children cannot be parented appropriately by someone under the influence of drugs.

        February 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Colleen

    "I’ve found most people write off NFP because they think it’s outdated, ineffective, or only works for women with regular cycles". UGH, excuse me in order for it to be at all effective (which it's not we had our daughter using this method for birth control) a women does have to have a regular cycle (and I did). Ovulation does have to occur at regular times of the month because you are "planning" your actions around these times. In addition to preventing unwanted pregnancy, certain birth control methods have other benefits as well. I suffer from terrible migraines but since I use an IUD and no longer get my cycle, I do not have the hormonal fluctuations that are a big reason for my migraines. I do not feel that using birth control denigrates me at all, quite the opposite actually. It allows me to enjoy a healthy s exual relationship with my husband and not worry about what may come if we forget if I am ovulating at that time. Personally I do not understand why this is such a big issue among Catholics anyway. Doesn't their bible say that s ex is for the purpose of procreating? If that isn't on their minds than I guess they don't need to worry about the act or the prevention.

    February 18, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
  35. My gender would bias your opinion

    Thank you for expressing your Catholic point of view and making it seem more important and of higher moral value than anything anyone else has to say or think. Enjoy your NFP and all the kids you WILL be having as sperm can survive for 3-7 days inside a woman... so ya, good luck with that.

    February 18, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Philly

      Since she teaches NFP, she already knows that. There are books on the subject. I guarantee that she, and all other users of NFP who do it right, know this stuff already and are prepared for it.

      February 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
  36. samantha

    Regarding insurance plans now having to pay for birthcontrol.....Most insurance plans whether it is a family plan or individual plan take the money they receive from their clients and divide it up towards different areas of coverage. One of the biggest areas our money goes to is towards prenatal care & childbirth. It doesn't matter if we plan on having children or not, we cannot choose how our monies are used. So why do we allow our monies to be used for childbirth if we cannot or do not wish to have children, yet be denied birthcontrol coverage? Many of us older than forty would like to see better dental and eye coverage.....but it is not happening. So, if you are against birthcontrol, if you are having babies.....why should I have a large part of my insurance costs go to your birthing?

    February 18, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
  37. samantha

    The individual's choice to use or not use birthcontrol is not of my personal concern. I am concerned about the fact that we have aprox 500,000 children in fostercare and who knows how many receiving funds in our Welfare system. More often than not children who are in our systems come from low income families with little education and little political affiliation. The tax payers are paying heavily for this. We also have an abundence of "deadbeat dads" whom are unwilling to financially support the eggs they seeded. For all those who are against government funded birthcontrol, go after the deadbeat dads, foster a child, help get adults off the welfare system, adopt a child or many children who are born, but unwanted by birthparents. Till this is done effectively, I would rather see birthcontrol paid for by our government, than to see more children lost in our systems, abused, murdered and on the streets selling themselves. Until America and Americans can actually, effectively take care of it's children, birthcontrol will be a basic neccessity. Until America and Americans can take care of it's children, abortion will ALWAYS be a choice, legally or illeagally. Until men see that they need to take as much responsibility for birthcontrol and childcare as they expect from women, we will always have deadbeat dads, generations of welfare children and children in foster care!

    February 18, 2012 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • george uk

      u are shockingly right!- its about time people shook themselves awake as to "what-is" – it worse here in the degenerate UK

      February 18, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Lilly

    The proposal by the Obama administration does not inhibit this woman from refusing contraceptives nor any other woman. If she is having a hard time convincing other women to do things her way then that's her problem. I hate it when religious people want to force others to live how they live. Maybe the problem they are having is that people are tired of their hypocrisy. The Catholic Church is the worst offender since they allowed their children to be molested by priests for centuries and did everything possible to help the pedophiles not only find victims but they prepared the victims to accept the abuse by making priests a symbol of divine knowledge.

    February 18, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • george uk


      February 18, 2012 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Km

    If people want to use birth control, great , let them. Just because someone wants to drive a car, should my taxes go to pay for their car? No way! If they are interested and it is a priority then pay out of their own pockets. All these requirements and laws just continue to make everything more costly for people who actually want to try to pay their own way in this world.

    February 18, 2012 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ps

      You will be paying a heck of a lot more for all the unwanted children.

      February 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lilly

      If that's the case then why should churches be allowed to get out of paying taxes? I'm not a god believer so why should I have to pay extra taxes for people who want to believe in god? I don't care if they want believe in god but why should I have pay for it?

      February 18, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • sherry

        That's a great point!

        February 19, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • samantha

      I am no longer able to have children so why should part of my insurance premiums and my taxes pay for prenatal care & child birth? I would rather have better dental & eye coverage, but I have no say in this. If those wanting children paid an insurance premium that reflected the costs of prenatal care and child birth and people who couldn't have children or didn't want children did not have to share in those costs, people wouldn't be able to afford insurance for prenal care/birth. This might be a pretty good birth control method. I would rather help pay for birth control.....it is far cheaper! By the way, the insurance plan you belong to is helping to pay for meds of all kinds for any who belong in the insurance program you belong to. You have no say in any of those meds and dirth control is no different.

      February 18, 2012 at 8:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • samantha

        Lily, Km is not answering us....

        February 19, 2012 at 3:26 am | Report abuse |
  40. ...

    This woman is an idiot. I am unable to have children, but I have a cycle that is so severe, I am bedridden and can't even walk because of the pain that happens. So guess what? I have to take birth control pills, because it makes my cycle less severe. I do not use it because I have no self control and want pleasure. I take it so I do not go through 18 tampons in one day, and so that I do not have cramps so severe that I end up in the ER vomiting.

    February 18, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • BC

      Well, she did specifically say that using "the pill" for medical causes other than contraception is excluded from her definition of contraception (as well as the Vatican's and Obama's). Maybe try reading the article?

      February 18, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
  41. govspy

    BTW, if you feel contraception denigrates you as a woman, then I'd like to see how you handle one night with me. I'd denigrate you far worse than just a little contraception would. /snark

    February 18, 2012 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
    • B8124

      No kidding.

      February 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Report abuse |
  42. joe smith

    It is great to celebrate the many wonders of womanhood, but it helps to display at least some tiny bit of intelligence when you do so. Ms. Pokorny did not.

    February 18, 2012 at 11:39 am | Report abuse |
  43. Steve

    Catholics are just as backward thinking as other Christians. They moan and complain because they don't want to pay for it, but they don't pay any taxes at all. I think all religious businesses – schools and hospitals – should be taxed as any other business. They even changed the proposal so that the insurance company has to offer the contraceptive, not even the religious business, and Catholics are still in a row. CAtholics – You live in America like the rest of us, making a compromise is part of being in a society. SOCIETY

    February 18, 2012 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
  44. Matt

    What are you even talking about? You don't HAVE to use contraception. The idea is that you should have the option. This respects women and their ability to choose the right path for themsleves. Maybe you should give this whole issue a little thought.

    February 18, 2012 at 11:03 am | Report abuse |
  45. Keith Swerling

    She may be against the contraception because of it's slickness, but at least she is pro-choice. I agree that a woman should have the right to choose what is right for her.

    February 18, 2012 at 10:00 am | Report abuse |
  46. B8124

    Ah, look at all the idiotic people who advocate "birth control" (poison). This must be representative of the average (non)intelligence of the American voter.

    February 18, 2012 at 9:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Ruferus

      So, because you disagree with their opinions, that makes them "idiotic"?

      February 18, 2012 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
      • B8124

        They were idiotic before I ever formed my opinion of them.

        February 18, 2012 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Ruferus

        I'd bet they think the same thing about you. Based on your posts, they're much more correct than you are.

        February 18, 2012 at 10:39 am | Report abuse |
      • B8124

        I can rationalize that.

        February 18, 2012 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
  47. dghankins

    CNN......this women should be on FOX news with the other right wing nut jobs, that believe in "don't ask don't tell". Global worming is make believe and the wealthy need additional tax breaks ....

    February 18, 2012 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
  48. dghankins

    This is another crazy conservative pushing their on-realist right wing view point on others...As for the Catholics angel, they need to spin more time focusing on damage children and list time on birth control pills .

    February 18, 2012 at 9:34 am | Report abuse |
  49. This is MY opinion only...


    February 18, 2012 at 9:30 am | Report abuse |
  50. TheStupidITBurns

    The Stupid! It Burns!

    February 18, 2012 at 9:14 am | Report abuse |
  51. Audrey

    Shame. I wish this author would not breed. Her point of view is offensive.

    February 18, 2012 at 8:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Audrey

      How about giving adequate voice to what the majority of American women feel before empowering an obscure point of view that makes it appear as if women are divided against themselves? The author ignores the millions of women who need to pills for medical reasons, but she also belittles the millions like me. I am a married woman who is caring for an autistic child and struggling desperately in this economy. A pregnancy at this moment would be irresponsible and devastating for my family. I have a RIGHT to use the most effective birth control available. If the author doesn't want it, she doesn't have to use it.

      February 18, 2012 at 8:44 am | Report abuse |
      • responder

        Audrey, in fact she does not ignore women who use birth control pills for medical reasons. "When a woman uses “contraception” for medical reasons other than preventing a pregnancy it's not technically contraception, and the Catholic Church doesn't necessarily prohibit these uses."
        Please consider that there is value in empowering what you consider "an obscure point of view". The majority has already spoken loudly; it is only fair that the minority have a chance to present another view.

        February 18, 2012 at 9:36 am | Report abuse |
      • govspy

        The difference being, the majority want women to have MORE options. The minority aka overly religious want to take away options from women. If one of those options has to be wrong, let's err on the side that gives women MORE rights, not LESS.

        February 18, 2012 at 11:43 am | Report abuse |
    • B8124

      "Shame. I wish this author would not breed. Her point of view is offensive."

      Your logic makes me laugh.

      "[...]The author ignores the millions of women who need to pills for medical
      reasons, but she also belittles the millions like me. I am a married woman
      who is caring for an autistic child and struggling desperately in this economy.
      A pregnancy at this moment would be irresponsible and devastating for my family.
      I have a RIGHT to use the most effective birth control available.[...]"

      Another funny comment. I have a RIGHT to poison myself! Well... maybe in a few years anyway.

      "The difference being, the majority want women to have MORE options.
      The minority aka overly religious want to take away options from
      women. If one of those options has to be wrong, let's err on the
      side that gives women MORE rights, not LESS."

      That's fatuous enough.

      February 18, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Steve the Tuna

    Question: What do they call couples who practice the rhythm method?

    Answer: Parents.

    Does Ms. Pokorny feel equally offended that there are drugs out there that prevent psychosis and hallucinations? Would she feel less of a woman because she had the OPTION (not requirement) to use medications to become more REALITY Available?

    February 18, 2012 at 7:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Elisabeth

      She's not advocating the rhythm method, which has not been taught anywhere since the 60's. Modern NFP has advanced along with modern science, and has an incredibly high success rate in studies.

      Get with the times.

      February 19, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Jay

    I wonder what percentage of Catholics take oral contraceptives/use condoms in spite of them being outlawed by the Catholic Church ?
    It would make this debate a lot more interesting to find out...

    February 18, 2012 at 5:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Deana

      Last study I saw from a reputable source (JAMA) was from the mid-nineties. If I remember correctly, the numbers were not significantly different from those of the rest of America. And in Europe the same. The only places Catholics seem significantly impacted by the church's prohibition were sub-Saharan Africa, India and Latin America. Hmm...

      February 18, 2012 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Answer

      according to guttmacher, 98%

      February 18, 2012 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
    • Emeka

      All of them! Lol! But Good and bad is not defined by what majority does.

      February 20, 2012 at 5:57 am | Report abuse |
  54. savvy

    I am glad she isn't afraid to speak her mind. The posters yelling at her, Are you so insecure in your own stance, that you fear listening to an alternative one?

    February 18, 2012 at 3:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Deb

      If this denegrates you as a woman, don't use it. What happened to all that personal responsibility that the GOP keeps talking about?

      February 18, 2012 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        they dont have any. they are humans too (apparently)

        February 18, 2012 at 11:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      It is a fear that others will read her article and be deceived by her characterizations within. We want to work against false information and portrayals.

      February 18, 2012 at 11:42 am | Report abuse |
    • me2

      if you want "to speak your mind" ...even if our opinion was given to you by the church...and then when you publish "your thoughts" you have to accept hearing from people who might be a little more educated and enlightened and they are going to disagree...but they are not afraid of tired old religious doctrine. you are in a very tiny minority...even in your church

      February 18, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Emeka

        Lol! Man! Old religious doctrine. Yeah! right. Here comes Mr Englightenment. Please don´t teach your kids to obey the authorities because that is also old religious doctrine.

        February 20, 2012 at 6:00 am | Report abuse |
  55. jbloe

    You don't like the pill? Don't take it. How complex is this?

    February 18, 2012 at 2:01 am | Report abuse |
  56. Agnostic

    The poster is young and she uses, "Natural Family Planning." I hope when she turns forty she wises up and uses some form of contraception or hopefully before then when she finds out it doesn't work. I was interested in Natural Family Planning after the birth of my daughter because I didn't want to use drugs. I had my daughter at a Catholic hospital and none of the nurses knew anything about it, and my doctor LAUGHED at me when I asked about it. He said, " If you want to get pregnant you can try it." Good luck with Natural Family Planning and your personal dignity when you have eight kids you can't afford.

    February 17, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cynthia

      I am over 40 and have used it for a couple of years, it has never failed and I am not pumped up on unecesary chemicals.

      February 17, 2012 at 10:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Agnostic

        I hope it continues to work for you and you don't get pregnant at 48.

        February 17, 2012 at 11:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • me2

        oh then it works...even though women in their late 30's have problems conceiving

        February 18, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • silence

      So this article comes out now because Obama administration wants to force Catholic employers to provide birth control and abortion services as part of insurance package. Of course then they back off and say that instead of forcing a church to provide as part of its insurance package, these services, they will just force insurance companies to provide the services free to these employees. Now of course, these employees must have insurance provided by Catholic employers in order to receive these service. So how is it not provided by Catholic employers? Problem here is that the Catholic church is being forced to go against basic Catholic beliefs. Now all of a sudden the media is big on this subject.
      I would pose this. If you want these services, don't work for a Catholic employer. Why is the federal government forcing this upon a religious organization when medical insurance isn't even required. If they want to impose requirement on employers regarding insurance coverage, why don't they require full mental health services, since this is a real illness, and pregnancy isn't.

      February 18, 2012 at 12:20 am | Report abuse |
    • savvy

      Modern methods of NFP are as effective as artificial ones. Do you know the failure rate of the pill, condoms etc?

      When a woman is ovulating the chances of getting pregnant are next to zero.

      February 18, 2012 at 3:34 am | Report abuse |
  57. Emily

    Thank you for this article. It is clearly counter-cultural as evidenced by the polemic, visceral comments on this page. It is unfortunate that most of the commenters cannot appreciate or engage rationally the opposing view point. Well done!

    February 17, 2012 at 9:41 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Jen

    What a load of crap! Go ahead and have your opinions and your church, your God, and whatever else you'd like. If you don't like birth control, don't take it! No one is forcing you to. But don't deny anyone else that choice. This is the same argument as abortion. If you have a moral issue with abortion, don't have one. Case closed.

    February 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Molly

      Thank you. This writer is crazy. She should just stick to not getting contraception herself and mind her own business.

      February 17, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
  59. BellaTerra66

    Every woman, throughout the world, should have access to birth control. If I belong to a religion that forbids contraceptives, and I want to be a member of good standing in that church, I shouldn't practice birth control. If I belong to a church that allows birth control, I can use birth control. And I sure in the H don't want my government following the dictates of ANY religion. Period. I do understand that The Catholic Church truly believes it speaks on behalf of God, but the reality is that it does not.

    February 17, 2012 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
  60. WWJeffD

    With a Face and Body like yours – Why is Birth Control a Problem?
    As the old saying goes – If the Pope doesn't play the he doesn't get make the rules

    February 17, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dawn

      So only hot women should be able discuss birth control????

      February 17, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
  61. Laalaa99

    Never once did anyone say that to be healthy you need to take contraception. She even said herself that they said we should be in control of their own health. This is a pointless commentary.

    February 17, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Brian

    Another perfect example of why Gays and Lesbians go to HELL. It is because they know they can not breed, yet try to refute it by giving adoption, its because they know they have the highest case of aids and epidemic outside of Africa, yet say its spread to heteros, wake up people. If its a duck its a freaking duck. There will always be multiple naysayers, but gladly there will be one to stand up for what is right. God Bless and get saved and turn from your wicked ways.

    February 17, 2012 at 6:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kleb


      February 17, 2012 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jen

      That is one of the most ignorant replies I've ever read.

      February 17, 2012 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Colleen

      How dare anyone that cannot naturally reproduce adopt!!! They all belong in hell!!

      February 17, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom Tiberius

      Another perfect example of why sterile people go to HELL. It is because they know they can not breed, yet try to refute it by giving adoption, its because they know they have the highest case of self-abuse outside of Brian's bedroom, yet say its spread to heteros, wake up people. If its a yammering troll its a freaking yammering troll. There will always be multiple idiots, but gladly there will be one to stand up and shout senseless inanities online. Leprechauns Bless and get saved and turn from your wicked ways.

      February 18, 2012 at 12:33 am | Report abuse |
  63. Boola Boola

    Is someone forcing her to take the contraceptives? No.

    If you don't want to take them, don't.

    Don't tell me what to do though, that's the part she's not getting.

    Wonder if she was so passionate when her church went on a Vatican endorsed and funded paedophilic rampage.

    My guess is no.

    February 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Trina

      I notice you don't want to be told what to do by others....well neither do many religious organizations (it's not limited to just Catholic churches). Women are free to take birth control, but don't tell us we have to pay for it. That works both ways you know.

      February 19, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
  64. tray117

    Gender traitor! Dope! I weep for the future of mankind.

    February 17, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Report abuse |
  65. Kleb

    What a load of poo.

    February 17, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Report abuse |
  66. CEW

    You really failed to make your case that contraception denigrates women. How does it belittle them? Why is feminity dependent on fertility? By your argument, infertile women aren't really feminine, or women at all. It seems to me that contraception is a personal decison that shouldn't be dictated by your church, or your insurance company, or your health care provider. By removing it from health plans then you are leaving contraception (which is often expensive) only to those who can afford it. How... elitist of you.

    February 17, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
  67. John Doe

    If Valerie Pokorny doesn't want to use birth control, that's fine. No one is trying to force the pill on her.

    However, I would appreciate if she and her fellow Catholics would grant the rest of us the same respect.

    February 17, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cynthia

      No one is trying to take it away from you, we just dont want it at our hospitals. You are definitely free to go to a non-catholic hospital and obtain contraception. This is an issue of every religion being allowed to excercise their religious freedom, it is not about taking away contraception from women.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Report abuse |
  68. frogs

    It's wonderful to be female, but seriously? "Gift of Femininity?"
    There are millions of women whose husbands would keep them pregnant for 20 years if not for contraception. Childbirth in itself is inherently dangerous, and commonly deadly before the advent of modern medicine.

    Anyone who wants to say that God created the female primarily for the use of her body (baby-factory religions) might also want to acknowledge what a messed-up job he did with it. It's ridiculously easy to get a UTI (among tons of other infections), our hormones (and lack thereof) can kill us, we can develop fistulas during childbirth, and our cycle is only unnoticeable to clueless women in first world countries who have proper sanitation and clean water.
    "Gift of Femininity"? Try being female in Sub-Saharan Africa or any number of other areas on Earth.

    February 17, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jen

      Well said and amen!

      February 17, 2012 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • samantha

      Can anyone say "DUGGAR".....The 19th child born too early and in a NICU for several weeks and the 20th child a miscarriage. Talk about costs we pick up in insurance premiums.....Why do those who do not want children or can't have children have part of their insurance premiums pay for theDuggar's child birth and post birth care?

      February 19, 2012 at 3:36 am | Report abuse |
  69. Patrick

    Is it me, or does she dismiss the large percent of single women who choose to use birth control? This article seems myopic in its vision.

    February 17, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • seter

      As soon as I saw she was Catholic I stopped reading. Do what you want to do, let the rest of us do what we want to do. I'm so sick of them trying to push their beliefs and practices on us. B-C was very good for me for reasons OTHER than birth control too.

      February 17, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • SorryIBothered

      Once I got to "Should I so easily accept the implication that I need to alter a part of myself that’s working properly in order to be free or fulfilled?" , I realized this was a complete waste of time. No one is implying any such thing, thus the entire premise of her article is based on nothing but imagined insults. To paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt, 'contraception cannot denigrate you without your consent'.

      February 17, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Trina

        The precise quote is this, “No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.” ~ Eleanor Roosevelt. Her words say nothing about contraception.

        February 19, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
  70. NIT4GOD

    Thank you for at least seeing where were coming from. But it's not religious discrimination. We are not discriminating against someone because of their religious beliefs. That is what the new healthcare plan is doing to us. We are just not offering a service because of our beliefs. And I honestly don't have an alternative. I wish I did. But this whole issue goes beyond what I think or any other Christian thinks on the matter. It's what government has turned into. It's freedoms being taken away, no matter how you look at it.

    February 17, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      What freedom is being taken away?

      February 17, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • yeahalright

        Apparently, the freedom to run a business – not a worship service mind you, but a business – and pick and choose which things you are going to let your insurance plan for those people cover AND not accept a quite reasonable accomodation to those objections.

        February 17, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • Patrick

        Well, that is understandable then. A business denying a service based on religious grounds would be illegal and immoral. That is 235 year old news.

        February 17, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Primewonk

      It is the religious people, like yourself, and the religious groups who seek to force your religious views on a secular nation. Your church is Exeter. Businesses run by your church should follow the same rules as all other businesses. But even that got rolled back and your BUSINESSESwill not have to pay. And you ignorant fundiots are still not happy that you can't discriminate even more.

      Give me a freaking break.

      February 17, 2012 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • seter

      No. People like YOU are taking away the freedom of being able to be on a affordable drug. You are ridiculous. If you can't treat everyone equally then you shouldn't be in the business of having to do so. This is American...freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion. NO ONE IS MAKING YOU TAKE BIRTH CONTROL, GET IT THROUGH YOUR IGNORANT HEADS!!!

      February 17, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • NIT4GOD

        Why do you have to be so cruel? I've been called stupid, ignorant, fundidiot, among many other things. No where at anytime have I ever said people are making me take birth control or have I ever said I will make people stop taking it. I have a right to an opinion just as all of you do. And just because my opinion isn't what your opinion is does not make me stupid or ignorant. I just thought on a board full of posts opposing the article, the author should be complimented. She deserves that.

        February 17, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jen

      Well I run a business and I'm a Religious Scientist, so I don't want my company's medical coverage to cover ANY prescription medication at all! Same dumb argument, right? Why is this even an issue? We can't allow one's religious or moral beliefs to influence their employee's health insurance benefits. Period.

      February 17, 2012 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
  71. kateslate

    Wow. This woman's misunderstanding of what is going on is quite shocking. Nobody is telling her she must use contraception, only that she and her church cannot financially prevent another from using contraception. It is called a choice. You make your choice that suits your life, and let me make mine. A church run by men only has no business making policy for women.

    February 17, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
  72. Jerry A.

    Contraception can only "denigrate" you as a woman if you only see yourself as a baby incubator. I see my wife as a human being, and she has self-respect. Unlike, apparently, the author.

    February 17, 2012 at 3:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • seter

      Awesome post Jerry A. But no matter how many time we try to make them see this I really don't think it will help. They WANT to remain ignorant to this and other modern issues. Being forced to actually see BOTH sides of an issue and let others live how they choose to live makes them uncomfortable.

      February 17, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
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  73. Jausti

    It's my body and I'm going to decide. I would have enjoyed having help with the cost of contraceptives when I used them – as my male counterparts have with Viagra and all the other fun drugs. Alas, my needs were not worthy.

    February 17, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • jay jay

      Only thing I can deduce from this article is that this woman does'nt even have faith in her fellow catholic members or worry that they dont share her views. Otherwise, she would be rest-assured that because of their faith, they (fellow catholics) will not accept contraception even when offered them on a platter of gold. Making the offer of contraception a none issue. Therefore, all she is doing is forcing other catholic members to share her view against their wish which to me is unfair and very cruel of her.

      February 18, 2012 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
  74. yeahalright

    This article denigrates the collective IQ of the country.

    February 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jennifer

      Cheers to that!

      February 17, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • jumz

      seriosuly. If you disagree with birth control, nobody is forcing you to take it. What its all about–this law, and the battle over birth control, abortion, and other reproductive rights–is making it possible for those who do want it to access it. Thats called equality in health care, something that we struggle with immensely, even outside of this womens health topic. These moves by this administration are small steps in the right direction to better america's public health.

      February 17, 2012 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jen

        The author didn't even mention abortion. I would not even use birth control (which I am all for) in the same sentence as abortion. Seriously? Do women really consider abortion as "birth control"?

        February 17, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Think for yourself

      Agreed. Very poorly argued. Plus – she goes into great detail about Natural Family Planning. It's still family planning whether you're using a pill, condom or the "natural" method of paying attention to your fertility cycle. What's the difference? You're preventing pregnancies.

      February 17, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
  75. NIT4GOD

    I think this was a beautifully written article...thank you for stepping out and going against what society is trying to make us believe. Although... I can't say it will help with the battle in Washington right now. This article would have been better suited when contraception was legalized. It may of had more pull then. But I am a young, married Catholic who does practice NFP. You can all call it what you want... but I do believe that is what God called my husband and I to do and I do not believe in the use of contraceptives to prevent pregnancy. But if someone else wants to use it... I will not make it my business. But that is not what this new healthcare plan is about. Contraceptives are not on the verge of being taken away from women...it is about who will pay for them. And as Catholics... we should not be forced to pay for something we do not believe in. Are vegans asked to pay for the slaughter of animals? Are Jews asked to pay for my hot dogs? NO! A belief is a belief no matter how you look at it. And when the government starts taking away those freedoms...America loses what it stands for... Land of the Free! And they are even going a step further by punishing those who don't comply. That is not what our soliders fought and died for. Has everyone forgotten that condoms are free at just about every health center?!?! So quit saying that if birth control isn't free were gonna run this country into further poverty. And there are plenty of non-Catholic affiliated businesses that provide health care that does cover contraceptives. So if you want coverage... work for one of those places. No one is telling people they have to work at a Catholic affiliated organizations. I read almost every comment on here and the main thing I see is women deserve the CHOICE! Yes.. I agree.. all men, women, children, Catholics, non-Catholics, all American's do deserve a CHOICE. But where is our CHOICE!!!! Our choice to not pay for this. I guess that CHOICE doesn't matter.

    February 17, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      Hey loon – nobody's making you pay for it. Obama caved to your zealots last week.

      Also, paragraphs help.

      February 17, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • NIT4GOD

        Sorry... I thought we were talking about the healthcare issue not my English skills... but I will take that into consideration. And what Obama came up with last week is worthless. We still have to pay for it, just in his round about way.

        February 17, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bible Clown

      "Are Jews asked to pay for my hot dogs?" Thank you for reminding me that people who oppose birth control are really, really stupid. Condoms = wieners, right? It's that simple.

      February 17, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • NIT4GOD

        On all write you pick that to comment on?!?! And I'm the stupid one. It's the point... a belief is a belief... no matter how you want to look at it.

        February 17, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2chihuahuas

      Why should your insurance pay for Viagra and not birth control? Controlled by a man are you?

      February 17, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • NIT4GOD

        Viagra and birth control have no relation to each other what so ever.

        February 17, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Primewonk

      NFP is birth control. It is contraception. From the Humanae Vitae –

      Contraception is "any action which, either in anticipation of the conjugal act [s.exual intercourse], or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" (Humanae Vitae 14). This includes sterilization, condoms and other barrier methods, spermicides, coitus interruptus (withdrawal method), the Pill, and all other such methods. 

      Let's say your husband is frisky, you check your mucus and you are fertile, so you do not have se.x. Your action prevented you from having se.x which could have led to a pregnancy.

      You are simply playing word games to justify not calling what you do contraception. But in reality, you are thumbing your nose at your god.

      February 17, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bingasaurus

      You don't want to pay for it? That's fine. I don't want to pay for your organization to be a taxpayer-subsidized, "non-partisan" non-profit anymore, since they want to become involved in political issues.

      Please explain to me how that isn't a fair trade. 60% of the organization's profits come from the fact that they don't have to pay taxes. I say you can have all the freedom you like to not pay for others' birth control, but you can lose your tax-exempt status, too. I would be all for that trade.

      February 17, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Tomris

        Bingasarus, who ever you are, I APPLAUD you. Very well said.

        February 17, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • NIT4GOD

        That's great...just add us to your prized Planned Parenthood and all other tax-exemt organizations. We'll all just start paying taxes no matter what the service are for. As I said, there are plenty of places for people to work that do offer health plans that cover contraceptives.

        February 17, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Hobbit

        Very well said, Bingasaurus!

        February 17, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      I am not entirely unsympathetic here – who wants to pay for something they oppose? At the same time, what is the alternative? That Catholic employers get a free pass to practice religious discrimination? That's not really a cool alternative. If you want to run a business and make a profit in the U.S. then you agree not to discriminate against people on the basis of religion. If you're offering your employees health insurance, how can you deny coverage on the basis of religious beliefs? Telling people to get another job is nonsense – if Catholics were told to get another job because their religion disagreed with their employer's practices – they'd be suing in court, not sending out resumes.

      February 17, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Karen Anthony

      Beautifully written and I agree wholeheartedly!!!

      February 17, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • blissfully_informed

      Are vegans asked to pay for the slaughter of animals? Are Jews asked to pay for my hot dogs? NO!

      Actually, if they pay their taxes, and those taxes are then used to subsidize cattle farmers then vegans do pay for the slaughter of animals.

      The money that Jews pay in taxes filter down into the food stamp program. Considering hot dogs are a cheap form of meat I would have to imagine that people who are on food stamps would be more likely to buy them than kosher options.

      February 17, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brenda

      It's funny that you mention so many things that people of other faiths supposedly don't pay for... "Jews don't pay for my hot dogs.." Oh yes they do. Do Jews pay taxes that pay for the lunches the kids are eating in public school? Absolutely. And they serve hot dogs on a regular basis along with plenty of other non-kosher foods. Pork barbeque anyone? What about Hindus that don't eat meat for religious purposes? Still payed for by their tax dollars.

      February 17, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • NIT4GOD

        You're right... I didn't look at it that way. I apologize for that. And I'm sorry that Jewish people and Hindu people have to pay for things they don't believe in. And I'm sure they dislike it just as much as I dislike what the new healthcare is proposing. I'm sure this will get based and I will be paying for birth control, which breaks my heart. But I at least have to fight for what I think is right.

        February 17, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Manders

      I think people are getting too wrapped up in the fact that the Catholic Church disapproves of birth control to begin with, but what the problem here is, like NIT4God mentioned also, is that the mandate would force Catholic Businesses to pay for something that goes against their core religious beliefs. And that is not religious freedom. The government already has exemptions to the health care law for the Amish, the precedent has already been set for religious reasons.

      February 17, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Say right now how Catholics will have to pay for it (monetarily, not in Sin)... if you don't know, then you are clearly a religious zealot that is just rambling with no facts to back up your argument. NEJM study quotes, more than %52 of Catholic women polled said they use some form of contraceptive. Thats a fact.

      February 18, 2012 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
    • jay jay

      You dont want your catholic business to pay for contraceptives for those who want it, have you considered the fact that there are those among you who actually want it? Who should pay for these people? Or they dont matter, now money issue is involved.

      Besides, I hope you actually read the article before jumping in, because, the main trust of the article has nothing to do with money, but rather, the degrading of womanhood by 'none natural' birth control method.

      February 18, 2012 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Km

      So true.

      February 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Michaelle Lancaster

    Wow no one is forcing you to take birth-control. Your logic is faulty and your arguement invalid. I agree with the other posters who no longer want to pay your churches taxes.

    February 17, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
  77. MeinNJ

    What about women like me who can't conceive? How does the church view us? Should I be forced to under go dozens of expensive fertility treatments? Will the church pay for that? Perhaps my body has it's own very good reason for not getting pregnant – should I intervene with my body's natural process? Am I less of a woman, of a human being in the eyes of church and God for popping out babies?

    February 17, 2012 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bible Clown

      "Should I be forced to under go dozens of expensive fertility treatments?" Yes, and if you don't conceive you can be a nurse for the REAL women. Hey, I don't make the rules.

      February 17, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • jumz

        wow yur an as s

        February 17, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      Whatever you do don't blame god for creating you that way. Nope, he only gets the credit when things go well.

      February 17, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cynthia

      Absolutely not, your inability to conceive is not your fault or something you are choosing to do. The church actually has wonderful resources for women who want to address fertility issues. I worked with a girl who went through two rounds of in vitro fertilization and couldnt get pregnant. Her and her husband spent a ton of money. She eventually went with one of these resources and the physician basically does this complete work up, especialy addressing everything that could be going on with the endocrine system. There was more to it, but she knows the details. Anyway, she now has a baby girl!!

      February 17, 2012 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
  78. Doin it hormone free

    Thank you for this article. You expressed very well what so many of us are feeling.

    February 17, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bingasaurus

      You mean a lack of being able to maintain a logical train of thought?

      Yeah, sounds about right from the people who brought us the Crusades and the Inquisition.

      February 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
  79. yeahalright

    Hi, I'm from the office of government-mandated birth control (OGMBC, haven't you heard of it?). I will be by between 4:30 and 5:00 to forcibly administer your birth control.

    Jesus H.....I'd say I'd heard everything but I'm sure Santorum will say something even more ridiculous in 3. 2. 1...

    February 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
  80. John

    This opinion piece just sounds like an advertisement for Natural Family Planning – (which IS contraception, by the way.) I don't really get what the big difference is between hormone pills, barrier methods, and thermal-sympto or mucus methods are. They're all different forms of contraception. They all try to "game the system" to prevent a pregnancy. Even if one accepts the premise that the pill is somehow denigrating because it suspends natural hormone function and somehow creates false societal expectations, it's hard to imagine how a barrier method of pregnancy is denigrating to women. It really seems more like the author has a preexisting prejudice against contraceptives and is searching for post hoc justifications in the check-out aisle of the grocery store. But the real issue behind all this is simple – it is against the law for businesses in the U.S. to engage in religious discrimination. To the extent Catholic businesses wish to deny coverage for contraceptives – that's religious discrimination. So legally I don't see how they have a leg to stand on here.

    February 17, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Elisabeth

      Well said. I had a similar comment, not as well written, that was never posted. Also, my husband had a vasectomy. I don't think he feels denigrated.

      February 17, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2chihuahuas

      The author is another self rightous religious woman that "believes" her way is the only way. Some women want to have a say as to when they have children, the Rythym method is a crap shoot. Natural Family Planning my butt, it's the Rythym method with a slick new name. You speak about the genius of women but you do not demonstarte this quality. You are not REQUIRED to use the contraceptives you stupid moron, just because the insurance company should pay for them does not infringe on your rights. You are doing a massive diservice to these impressionable young women if you are advocating the rythym method as viable contraception.....you are in essence driving some to abortion. Just because the Catholic church doesn't like something is no reason to agree with them, after all they had no conscience when it counted, they did nothing for years when confronted with abusive priests.

      February 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • bratsack

      Unfortnately, people do believe that family planning is a type of birth control. But any of us poor downtrodden women who know anything about our own systems, know that our cycles can change with the wind. We are made to reproduce biologically and life always finds a way to purpetuate our species (popping out 2-3 egs sometimes and ovulating more than once a month are a few, especially for the young). This woman is a blithering idiot, a perfect example of the Catholics opposing the option for birth control for their employees (Catholic or not). What she is touting is dangerous and especially irresponsible when presented to children who do not understand their cycles yet. You are right: contraception in any form is not denigrating to women. It should be liberating to be in control of your own body, Catholic or not.

      February 17, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Think for yourself

        Perfectly said.

        February 17, 2012 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Some people's kids

    Pokomy obviously has some serious issues. What a freak.

    February 17, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bible Clown

      Kinda sad when you think about it.

      February 17, 2012 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
  82. Danno

    So, you can be pro-woman by telling them what to think and do? I though us men had given up on that generations ago.... sounds like something best left to the draconian Christ zealots anyway.

    February 17, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
  83. michael

    I am a product of Catholic church family planning! good grief! KEEP YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS TO YOURSELF! This is why we are battling radical fringes like the Taliban...and Rick Santorum!

    February 17, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Christina

    I think wearing anti-persperant is a denegration of my natural, feminine smell. It's part of me and why should I watch ads promoting women or men changing their natural smells? Or, perhaps, using fire to cook vegetables, which are perfect as they come out of the ground. Or taking medication to keep my diabetes under control. Diabetes is also naturally occuring. If I lose a leg because I cannot control my diabetes, so be it. This isn't about what is natural or about preserving a woman's dignity (because men can use contraception, too, but I see no concern about their dignity). It's about religious orthodoxy, plain and simple. Let people choose to use what they want, make it available, and let them make their own decisions. Your religion is your own.

    February 17, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |

      I'll sniff your unwashed pit any time, sweetheart!

      February 17, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dawn

        Now that's true respect for women. Sniff our pits, now!

        February 17, 2012 at 10:49 pm | Report abuse |
  85. menchbjs

    what about the women who MUST take birth control; that if they were to get pregnant and forced to carry the child to term would be risking their health and lives (as the church requires and abortion opponents want to impose) ? Many of them happily married women, must they fear their husbands and the marital bed?

    February 17, 2012 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      I'm guessing the answer is they probably shouldn't get married and go live in shame in a hole somewhere until the god that made her that way decides to bring her on back to heaven.

      Or some other such gobbledeguk.

      February 17, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Trina

      If a woman's health is in danger during her pregnancy, she has church approval to terminate the pregnancy (for instance, an ectopic pregnancy or eclampsia or other conditions) and I believe most advocates for life would agree with that as well.

      February 19, 2012 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
  86. yeahalright

    Interesting, I wasn't aware that you were forced to take them.

    February 17, 2012 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Patty

    I completely agree with this article. I don't want to pay anyone else's medicine, nor should the Church be forced to. She is merely pointing out that as a society we have been brainwashed to think we have no other option than the pill.

    February 17, 2012 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      I must've missed brainwashing class then.

      February 17, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bingasaurus

      Well, Patty, I don't want to pay the Church's subsidy or allow them to remain a tax-free non-profit organization if they want so vehemently to take a stand on political issues. I will happily take that trade, in fact!

      February 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Primewonk

      Well Patty, I dddon't want to pay for the statins Catholics take for their hyperlipidemia and I don't want to pay for the Januvia Baptists take for their Type II diabetes. Frankly, the sooner you all go home to Jesus, the better. But, the whole concept of insurance is to pool resources to cover risks, so I am paying for tis.

      I also don't want to pay more in property taxes, because you religious ldiots won't pay taxes for fire and police and EMS, and plowing streets, etc. But I don't have that option, do I?

      February 17, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • FreedomofChoice

      You don't want to pay for birth control, but you would be paying to support a child if someone does not have access to it and gets pregnant.

      February 17, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • je

      I'm tired of paying for everyone else's kids to go to school, get free lunch, CHIP and WIC. Women who are not using birth control are having more children then they can afford. Usually, they are under-educated and over religious. So if you don't want to help pay for someones contraceptives, I don't want to help you pay for your kids with my taxes.

      February 17, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • je

      Guess what? Women were not successful until after the invention of contraceptives. There were no female CEO or business women before then. Most were housewives, nurses and school teachers... Why? because it's difficult to be successful when your tied down with kids. It was when they had the freedom not to have kids, opportunities started presenting them selves. If you are weighed down by children you have little options. Most overly religious women are under-educated and with out the support of their husbands would be on the bread line. Look at 3rd world countries were women do not have access to healthcare. they are poor, under educated or uneducated and so are their children. Wake up!

      February 17, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Emeka

        But you are a woman´s child and you wrecked your moms career. By the way who told you that being CEO is the only definition of success? So all women should aim to be CEOs fine, then your mom was the CEO of her family. Who are we to define what success is or not for women, who are we to even tell women what they should do or not. I have met many happy women with 2 or 3 university degrees, large families and they are as happy or even happier than Merkel. If this whole discussion about contraception is all about kids or no kids then it should not be part of health care. KidsControl is not the same as diseaseControl.

        February 20, 2012 at 6:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Commonsense

      Patty, do you have insurance? Then you're already paying for everyone else's medicine who are also on your plan.

      How about this? I don't want to have to cover your church's share of taxes, when your faith is way overstepping their side of the seperation of church and state social contract by getting overly political.

      February 17, 2012 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Your_Argument_is_Baseless

      your taxes pay for evolution to be taught in schools??

      February 17, 2012 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • samantha

      Patti, i don't want anypart of my insurance premiums to go towards someone else's childbirth. Those of us who do not want to give birth or can't give birth should not have to subsidize someone else's pregnancy & birth. WOW! Those who want insurance to pay for their pregnancy & childbirth would then have extra ordinary high premium costs.....which in itself might be a method of birth control. After a few high cost insurance premium payments.....many would gladly support insurance paying for birth control.

      February 18, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • samantha

      How come, people who do not want to have their insurance premiums help pay for contraceptives and feel that they should have this right, do not come back and answer those of us who tell them what we feel we should not have to pay....like child birth monies taken out of our premiums, and child care when the parent(s) cannot affort to take care of their own, free lunches etc. It is very selfish to say what YOU believe and what YOU want and not give a response to what others have to say to you about what is unfair to them.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:58 am | Report abuse |
  88. GDW

    Wow! What a tortured argument.

    February 17, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Big Lansing

      What a pant load! No one is saying anyone has to use contraception. Its a choice, not an obligation. The only way one could come to a diffenrt conclusion is by inventing their own red herring facts like ms Pokorney did. I don't ge the impression she really understand alot about the issue or about the motivations and objectives of most U.S. woman.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
  89. Bingasaurus

    "I agree. 100 percent.

    But from there, the defense sounds like slick advertising for the contraceptive industry: To be a healthy woman, you need contraception. All the successful women use it. You can’t live without it."

    Here is where your train of logical thought derails. It is your OPINION, and your OPINION only, that "the defense sounds like slick advertising for the contraceptive industry." It doesn't sound that way at all to me. It sounds like they want to give a woman ACCESS to those items, if she so chooses to utilize them in her life.

    You mention just a few short paragraphs later about exercising self-control. If you Catholics are so good at exercising self-control – and since you have free will to do right or "sin" as you please – and your God demands that you exercise self-control in the face of "sin" – then where's the problem, sweetheart? If you're so godly, and your fellow Catholics are so godly, you have nothing to lose. Nobody is shoving a pill down your throat, toots. You have a choice.

    And, through your actions, you would demand that other people do not have a choice – or that they only use the method you have deemed acceptable to prevent pregnancy (NFP). Well, I don't know if you noticed, but we're in the 21st century. We have other methods besides what they used 100 years ago. More effective methods based on science and technology. And while NFP may be improving, it's still flawed in that a very poorly educated society will have trouble finding their own butts with both hands, let alone keeping track of a woman's ovulation cycle without screwing it up. Whereas a pill or condom are simple to use and effective.

    Enough of this "my way or the highway" garbage – you are part of a society. And you are part of a society that gives your church 60% of its profits tax-free. So start acting like it. You can't have everything you want in a society, and you sometimes have to concede to other peoples' will. You don't like it? Feel free to move to Vatican City.

    February 17, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill

      Who's paying the cost of the free giveaway. Obama land where everything is free.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bingasaurus

        Well, Bill, here's a great opportunity for you to put that brain God gave you to work thinking about something logically and critically!

        You can either subsidize with your tax dollars: A) the welfare, food stamps, WIC, SSI/SSDI, and/or prison costs of every one of those unwanted children and their families that are born because of the lack of access to affordable contraception, and often become criminals due to the fact that they were unwanted to begin with, or B) the comparatively miniscule cost of the contraception. Which would you prefer?

        Oh, maybe you'd prefer the Republican nuclear option: defund and eliminate all those programs, and have 35 million or so more Americans living on the street, with no way to get food for themselves their children – other than crime or revolution, of course!

        There's some of that famous Christian compassion for you, right there.

        February 17, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Primewonk

        Why do you fundiots keep saying it's free? It isn't. Costs will be passed on to your premiums. Just like the new regulations for some colonoscpies, mammograms, yearly phyicals, etc.

        Plus, you rnorons have been told hundreds of times now that 28 states already have this rule in place. Mitt's Romneycare had it in place. The right-wing nutter Mike Huckabee signed it as governor in Arkansas.

        Seems like you talibangelical tea baggers oppose this, simply because it came from Obama.

        February 17, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • samantha

        Bill never came back with a response.....

        February 20, 2012 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • Emeka

      "Enough of this "my way or the highway" garbage – you are part of a society. And you are part of a society that gives your church 60% of its profits tax-free. So start acting like it. You can't have everything you want in a society, and you sometimes have to concede to other peoples' will. You don't like it? Feel free to move to Vatican City."
      Phew! This is tyranny. The US as a society is made up of other smaller societies. Part of living together is to respect peoples conscience. I don´t believe in contraception because it is evil and i don´t want to use it. I want to live in US and the government has to respect my moral position. Obamacare cannot force me to provide insurance for my workers to buy contraception. He can go ahead with his plan I don´t care but he should exclude me. Period. Contraception is and will always be evil no matter what Obama says.

      February 20, 2012 at 6:41 am | Report abuse |
      • samantha

        I think "19 kids and counting" is evil. Obama care? Welfare and fostercare have been around a lot longer than obama...or contrceptives for that matter. Aprox 500,000 children in fostercare because their parents don't want them or cannot take care of them. Hundreds of thousands of children in our welfare system because their parents cannot afford them......Now, THAT"S EVIL!!!

        February 20, 2012 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
  90. Mile End

    Your position is disingenuous. No woman is being forced to use contraception if she does not choose to. Excluding coverage of contraception from health care coverage, however, does place a financial impediment in the way of women who DO choose to use it. They are already contributing to the cost of their health care plan directly. The employer portion of the premium is a part of their compensation package. The fact that you want to penalize her because her choices are not the same as yours is discriminatory. Moreover, it's hypocritical when the basis of your opinion piece is your request to be respected. You clearly only have respect for women who make the same religious choices as you do. Shame on you.

    February 17, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill

      I don't care one way or the other. My problem is why no cost. Who is paying for another Obama giveaway. Why not heart medicine or hell all drugs should be free. You know what, make everything free. We can all sit around watching TV.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Primewonk

        Bill, repeating a lie over and over will not make it true. It simply shows that you are a liar.

        February 17, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • yeahalright

        Bill you are so willfully ignorant it isn't even funny. Insurance companies are GLAD to pay for this. Can your little clamshell inside a safe brain understand why? Because it's cheaper to pay for contraception than it is for prenatal care and delivery.

        February 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Emeka

      Did you say Health? Are contraceptive pills for health? what´s the disease? pregnancy? Access to birth control should not be included in obamacare. birth is not a disease.

      February 20, 2012 at 6:31 am | Report abuse |
      • samantha

        Poverty is a disease of society, of the mind and of the body. The children in our fostercare and welfare system are the recipiants of this disease.... poverty. Child abuse is on the rise when the economy falters. Child abuse is a disease in our society. America's children are the recipients of this disease. Part of health care is to prevent disease/illness. The use of contraceptions is one area of prevention towards lessening poverty....of lessening the number of unwanted children.

        February 20, 2012 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
  91. Jeepers

    So she encourages contraception...just not with pills or condoms. What exactly is the difference? You're still avoiding pregnancy while enjoying s3x.

    February 17, 2012 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      Fantastic point. Why should women want to enjoy it at all really.

      February 17, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Primewonk

        Women should NOT be enjoying se.x That isn't god's plan. If a woman is enjoying se.x, she's just are harlot, or a sl.ut. Women, if they are real christians should just do their wifely duty and lay there and take it like a man.


        February 17, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
  92. tired

    Did she really just compare the use of contraceptives to bulimia?!

    February 17, 2012 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
  93. janine

    Why does this woman have a job writing for CNN??? I'm very confused.

    February 17, 2012 at 10:00 am | Report abuse |
    • sarah

      Wait, so because you don't agree with her, CNN shouldn't publish her opinions?

      February 17, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kleb

        No, because this is a terribly written article

        February 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm | Report abuse |
  94. Arakiba

    If you think contraception denigrates you as a woman, don't use it. But don't keep other women from using it. You control your own body, not other people's.

    February 17, 2012 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      Whoa whoa whoa don't go introducing logic here.

      February 17, 2012 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Brooke

    I'm astonished that CNN let this article on their site...the only smart move they made was stating that the article written was was purely the opinion of the author, good ol' Ms. Pokorny. It amazes me that grown adults talk, write, and think like this. Honey, your thinking-which sounds kinda delusional- is a contribute to overpopulation-sheet- more than just that! It honestly sounds like a middle schooler raised in a conservative christian family wrote this article. What did this lady say...something along the lines of....THE GOVERNMENT IS FORCING LADIES TO THINK THEY WON'T BE SUCCESSFUL UNLESS THE HAVE BIRTH CONTROL.......jesus holy chhhhrIST. I want to be a proud American, but I find that dimming more and more everyday.

    and P.S. So my aunt&uncle, who don't believe in contraception because of her beliefs, have 7 kids, live on food stamps and government support....where's our say if we don't want to "pay for that"??

    February 17, 2012 at 9:34 am | Report abuse |
    • janine

      Well said!!

      February 17, 2012 at 9:57 am | Report abuse |
    • commander42

      My sentiments, exactly.

      February 17, 2012 at 10:41 am | Report abuse |
    • matt

      Testify! I don't care how many kids you have or why, but I am completely uninterested in a tax breaks, tuitionless public schools, WIC, HUD and a myriad of other social programs designed to subsidize anyone's lifestyle choices. You made it, you finance it. I don't want to have anything to do, fiscally or socially, with anyone else's family.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • NicP

        atural family planning got me four kids, 8 abortions, food stamps, WIC and medicaid and a divorce with no child support. Contraceptives got me, a college degree, job advancement, time to focus on the kids i do have and teach them not to follow in my footsteps.

        February 17, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • NicP

        Natural family planning got me four kids, 8 abortions, food stamps, WIC and medicaid and a divorce with no child support. Contraceptives got me, a college degree, job advancement, time to focus on the kids i do have and teach them not to follow in my footsteps.

        February 17, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kleb

      Spot on!

      February 17, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
  96. Aaron

    In what way does forcing health providers to make available a legitimate health care product (that millions use) translate into forcing women to take contraceptives? Just because it's available to you doesn't mean you have to use it. More catholic brouhaha over b.s.

    February 17, 2012 at 9:13 am | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      Probably in the same way two gay people getting married in Seattle somehow destroys the marriage of two straight people in Omaha...i.e. in no way whatsoever.

      February 17, 2012 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dakota2000

      Exactly the point!

      February 19, 2012 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
  97. LOL

    If you need an example of what I'm talking about (and I believe you do) I'll help you out:

    "...And if that means exercising a bit of self control now and then, well, that’s a hell of a lot more dignified than saying, “Eh, we got this pill that makes self control unnecessary. I want pleasure now. Let’s get it on!”

    The author is disrespecting those that use the pill by implying they no longer exhibit self control and are basically over s-xed women ready to hump the furniture! It's ridiculous and insulting.

    February 17, 2012 at 9:04 am | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      No she's the one being respectful to women by wanting to take away their access to basic medical care. Don't you get it? Keep tying yourself in logical knots repeatedly like the author and maybe you'll understand one day you logical respectful person you.

      February 17, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
  98. nyrebel

    Obviously she did not grow up in an ordinary environment of teenagers. She's deeply religious so she chooses not to use contraceptives. We all should be able to make that choice. Many women do not have that choice because they can't access birth control. This is about making sure women HAVE A CHOICE. If you're religious don't use them. Just because you're so highly educated in your way does not mean most women have access to that knowledge. Again, even your method is hard to access for many.

    February 17, 2012 at 8:48 am | Report abuse |
  99. rasputin

    Catholicism is a collection of fairy tails. There is nothing wrong with Jesus' message but Catholicism (like any Christian church) lost that message long ago in favor of horrific oppression and control. The Church is giant pyramid scheme that feeds on you. I feel sorry for this author. I hope she wakes up and shakes off the shackles of the Church. Learn to follow God on your own.

    February 17, 2012 at 7:58 am | Report abuse |
    • janine

      Great comment. I agree completely.

      February 17, 2012 at 9:59 am | Report abuse |
    • PDoss

      Rasputin......it's "tale" not "tail."
      Your spelling is as valid as your point of view, in this case.
      Why not say that in your "opinion the Catholic belief's are fairy TALES?" That would be a truthful, undisputable statement, that Catholic and non could accept.

      February 18, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
  100. nanobot

    You asked women to look for genius girls in magazines. As if magazines (which in the end are simply a collection of advertisements) are an objective barometer of anything at all. Your opinion, as your approach to sizing up society, is really flawed.

    No one is telling you that you MUST use contraception. But denying basic coverage for those that want to use it is yet another case of religion exerting control over people. Centuries of religious tyranny need to end.

    February 17, 2012 at 7:54 am | Report abuse |
    • yeahalright

      Hi, I'm from the office of government-mandated birth control (OGMBC, haven't you heard of it?). I will be by between 4:30 and 5:00 to forcibly administer your birth control.

      February 17, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Whit

        If only!!

        February 17, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • seter

        I wish they would!!! Especially to people like you who probably shouldn't breed.

        February 17, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • PDoss

      advertisements) are an objective barometer of anything at all. Your opinion, as your approach to sizing up society, is really flawed.

      Nanobot said....."No one is telling you that you MUST use contraception. But denying basic coverage for those that want to use it is yet another case of religion exerting control over people."

      I don't believe that is at all what she said. I think her issue was having non, in fact, opposed believers, forced to pay for other people's beliefs. Is that not a form of tyranny?? That is, take from my resources, my family, my children, funds to pay for another persons decision to abort that which they could have rather easily prevented, by.......oh......a $1.00 condom.

      For that matter, how can sanity suggest, at all, that a sometimes life threatening abortion, is a better option than a $1.00 wrap up?? Having been involved in both situations, I sure wish I'da gone with the $1 dollar wrap up, than the surgical intrusion called abortion.

      In our country here, we are allowed "consciencious objector" status, which removes us from having to kill our enemies, and from even joining active duty.
      Isn't the life of a fetus/baby, worth as much as those we cannot conscientiously kill, even tho they may, or may not, pose a threat to our lives and country?
      Are not many of the responses to the original article perfect examples of the illogic called "ad hominem"??

      February 18, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Geezer

        You guys keep saying how you do not want to pay for "other people's beliefs". If we make exceptions for every hare-brained, scientifically baseless "belief" espoused by various religions, we would be back in the dark ages. The other side of the coin, is that many people don't want to pay for your beliefs (such as tax exemptions for churches, etc.). Because Catholics value the teachings of the Bible does not mean they should be able to pick and choose which emlployer obligations (as defined by our society) they will honor.

        February 19, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sarah

      Centuries of hate, rape, murder, suicide, genocide, robbery and diseases need to end. I'll take the religious debates any day.

      February 20, 2012 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
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