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Opinion: 'Doonesbury' strip says Texas' abortion law is rape - I agree
"Doonesbury" is currently focusing on Texas' abortion law. You can view the strip at GoComics.com/doonesbury.
March 15th, 2012
07:41 PM ET

Opinion: 'Doonesbury' strip says Texas' abortion law is rape - I agree

Editor's note: Carole Simpson is the leader-in-residence at Emerson College’s School of Communication in Boston, where she teaches journalism and communications classes. She is the first woman or minority to be the sole moderator of a presidential debate, and chronicled her 40 years as a broadcast journalist in her memoir, "Newslady."

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By Carole Simpson, Special to CNN

(CNN) - Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist Garry Trudeau has done it again.  For more than 40 years his comic strip, “Doonesbury” has been criticized for poking fun at presidents, other political figures and government decisions. But his strip is being yanked from some newspapers this week because, for the second time in his career, he has created a storyline that takes on abortion, God forbid.

What prompted Trudeau to invite the wrath of conservative pro-lifers everywhere is the new Texas law, which demeans, demoralizes, and may even damage the reproductive organs of women who dare to seek an abortion.  Passed by the Republican-controlled Texas legislature and signed by Gov. Rick Perry, the law forces a woman who wants an abortion to receive information about her fetus that only can be obtained by a vaginal ultrasound.

During the procedure a doctor inserts a 10-inch sonogram wand into the vagina of a pregnant woman. Then the doctor must show her the image of her fetus and make her listen to the heartbeat.  Then the woman goes home to spend 24 hours considering her decision to abort.  Texas lawmakers wanted to make the procedure so invasive, so painful, and so emotionally devastating that the woman would change her mind.  They hope the woman bears the baby, which may have been conceived through rape or incest, or even if the birth may endanger her life.  It’s a prescription for child abuse, child neglect, or child abandonment.

For this week’s “Doonesbury,” Trudeau created a story damning the Texas legislature.  It begins with a Texas woman going to a clinic seeking an abortion.  The nurse tells her:  “The male Republicans who run Texas require that all abortion seekers be examined with a 10” shaming wand.”  WOW.

Another strip shows a doctor about to perform the procedure, and the bubble of words coming from his mouth says, “By the authority invested in me by the GOP base, I thee rape.” BAM. Trudeau pulls no punches.

Trudeau told The Washington Post that the procedure, in itself, is a form of rape: “The World Health Organization defines rape as ‘physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration— even if slight– of the vulva or anus, using a penis, other body parts, or an object,’” said Trudeau. “You tell me the difference.”

The cartoonist has picked sides on what’s being called the “war on women.” He thinks women are getting a raw deal.  But that’s of little comfort.  Eight states now require ultrasounds before a woman can get an abortion and two others are fighting legal challenges to implement the procedure.  None of the other states, however, have laws that require the invasive ultrasounds Texas mandates.

Women of the Lone Star state should look into the possible infringement of their rights guaranteed by the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution prohibiting “cruel and unusual punishments.”  That would appear on its face to include vaginal ultrasound procedures inflicted on women by a state government.

Women used to proudly herald, “We’ve come a long way, baby.”  But now it looks like we’ve hit a brick wall and men are starting to take back some of the mileage we fought so hard to gain.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Carole Simpson.

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  1. kirk

    the only people for abortion are already alive

    March 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      The only people opposing abortion are already alive.

      Pointless.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • KIRK

        OH DID YA ASK EM??? I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL YOU COULD ASK EM DON'T YOU

        March 13, 2012 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • KIRK

        i reckon if someone was going to kill me id want a say in it

        March 13, 2012 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duh

      Except for all the ones that have died....Great try though. Texas educated?

      March 13, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • sula

      Funny how Repubs and certain men get all excited about abortion, but rarin to go to blast away other nations sons and daughters as well as the kids of the US. Go figure. Its illogical=Repub

      March 13, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peter

      Why do they have to ram a 10" probe inside of a woman to hear the heartbeat?

      The purpose of this is INTIMIDATION....pure and simple.

      I am shocked that ANYONE thinks that this demeaning procedure is necessary in order to present an alternative to abortion to the patient.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • KIRK

        THEY SHOULD SEE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO KILL IN A VERY REAL WAY

        March 13, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • bam

      It is NOT Muslim terrorists that hate our way of life it is the GOP and always has been....
      the GOP's war on women, minorities and the middle class...

      March 13, 2012 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • KIRK

      you people who are for the murdering of children don't you dare say anything about Hitler
      your argument that it legal is folly WHAT HITLER DID in his country was legal
      AND WE MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE MOTHER TERESA
      WE HAVE MURDERED MANY TIMES HIS ENTIRE TOTAL
      OURS LIKE HIS IS SLAUGHTER OF THE UNWANTED
      BUT WE ARE WORSE WE KILL THOSE WHO CANNOT FIGHT BACK

      March 13, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Plain Jane

        Adolf wasn't German.

        March 15, 2012 at 11:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jessica

        A fetus is a completely dependent life form. It cannot surivive on its own outside of the womb of the woman carrying it. It feeds off her to the point that it will destroy her body to get what it needs. All pregnancies carry an inherant risk to the woman's life. Amnesty International’s report Deadly Delivery: The Maternal Health Care Crisis in the USA found that a total of 1.7 million women a year, one-third of all pregnant women in the country, suffer from pregnancy-related complications. In the US a woman has a lifetime risk of maternal deaths that is greater than in 40 other countries, including virtually all industrialized nations and the USA has failed to reverse the two-decade upward trend in preventable maternal deaths.

        This is not even taking into the other issues which might make having a child undesirable (emotional and financial reasons).

        The decision to on whether or not to carry to term a pregancy and then have a child for which you will be responsible for, for life emotionally, physically, and financially and carrying out mass genocide are not even comparable.

        March 20, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Duh

    Simple solution...Don't live in Texas...Your children will grow up to be morons if you do.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      Because all 25,674,681 Texans share the same opinions.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
  3. FedUp2

    As soon as somebody gets away with sneaking a cavity concealed device on an flight we"ll all be subject to this kind of exam by the TSA.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peter

      What? What the hell are you babbling about?

      You don't need to stick a 10" rod inside a woman to detect a concealed weapon.

      You are a moron.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Allen

        That's what she said.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Caral from SoCal

    Motive. That's the difference, and it makes all the difference. By calling – and equating – this medical procedure with rape, the author (and the Doonesbury strip) demeans and minimalizes what every rape victim has experienced, and reduces the trauma of their experience to that of a medical office procedure.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sheepleherder

      Meaning a rape isn't a rape if the rapist "didn't mean" to rape the victim??

      March 13, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michelle

      When a person penetrates a woman's vulva with an object and without her permission it is rape. If you want to sugar coat this as a "medical procedure", good for you. It absolutely is rape and calling a duck a duck doesn't insult any rape victims.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      The motive for unwanted insertion is not the point. It's unwanted! You could argue that women could opt out of the procedure and not get the abortion so she does have a choice. The choice is if you want an abortion you must submit to rape.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • commentary42

      No, she is right on target. This is rape as it is penetration by an object by coercion.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • bam

      Perry is trying to pass a law now that 4 people must come into the room while the women is on the stirrups get in her face and call her a s l u t....

      March 13, 2012 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Courser01

        Sadly, I suspect the GOP would LOVE this. They all adore Rush 'Blowhard' Limbaugh who considers all women S L U T S.

        God help us if the GOP takes the White House. I'm already just 45 days away from homelessness and it's NOT the President's fault. The fault lies with Congress who couldn't pass a law that when it's light outside, it's day.

        March 13, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Observer

    Republicans didn't do this much planning when they started the $1 trillion war in Iraq.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duh

      That killing was justified! They had WMDs remember! OOPS

      MURDERERS!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      Even Bush adlmitted they didn't find WMDs. Ooops.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peter

      The Republicans evidently didn't plan this law very well, either.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Report abuse |
  6. dbcooper

    Liberals insist that those opposed to abortion should take in all the "unwanted" children and provide for them, which I would gladly do.

    But, why then, do liberals refuse to take death-row inmates into their homes and provide for them since they are opposed to their abortions,...oops, I mean executions?

    March 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thomas

      Kind of a silly question, that's what prisons are for.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • db cooper is desperate for attention

      ...so desperate, this person will make a stupid and meaningless statement that has no ground in reality.....sadly, this is so typical.....

      March 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sheepleherder

      How many have you actually "provided" for?? How ever many it was, you have a long way to go before your question become more then just a self serving and rhetorical question and becomes a valid argument.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nancy Stagner

      dbcooper – That has to be the most STUPID statement that I have EVER heard. What world do you live in?????????? You can't possibly be a Christian because Jesus taught love and forgiveness.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • American Bear

      You have me confused; you are against abortion but in favor of the death penalty? Bubba, you is messed up.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Blossom89

      Possibly DB because ALL liberals DON'T think the death penalty is wrong!! My own take on it is 'if they did the crime they should do the sentence'. If that be the death penalty then off you go! I DO think that all avenues, such as DNA testing, should be exhausted BEFORE you kill the prisoner however. It's a bit late to say 'Oops sorry' after they're gone.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lance

      So you are pro-life except that you're pro death penalty. I'll bet you don't even see the hypocrisy of that. And would you happily take care of a child that is non-your race? VERY Doubtful.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Natalie in MN

      I agree with the thinking that GOP is all for fetuses, yet don't want to part with their mighty dollar to support children born to very poor families or mothers who aren't fit to raise them. They also scream for "smaller government" yet have no problem allowing the gov't. to interfere with a woman's legal and very private choice. It is indeed rape. If men got pregnant this wouldn't even be an issue.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • brian

        But – if we don't keep the poor uneducated and beholden to large corporations, how can we ever hope to retain power? We would have to do it on the merit of our ideas. Better to create more poor little worker slaves. If they die young, no real loss.

        I love rich christians.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Blossom89

        Natalie, I always thought that if men could get pregnant there would be big screen tv's in the procedure room so they wouldn't miss part of the game while having their abortion!

        March 13, 2012 at 8:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • richard kocan

      Why is Texas so pro life yet leads the nation in executing convicts?

      March 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • phk46

        Why? Could it be that they have more children that grew up unwanted and became criminals?

        March 13, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Jon

    Why would you be upset about listening to the heartbeat and looking at a sonogram of an unviable mass of tissue? It shouldn't bother you in the slightest, right?

    March 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • sula

      Shouldn't bother you to get a scope of your penis as well.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Epimetheus

        Sula, I'm quite sure that if they needed to do a brain scan on Jon, it would involve a proctoscope. People like Jon love nothing more than themselves and the sound of their own voices. You will never be able to reason or do anything cognitive processes with these mindless drones.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      Not in the slightest! What bothers people is an abortion being the entire state's business, and the state telling doctors how to treat their patients.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • sula

      Always wear a condom Jon?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
  8. MontanaNorth

    And so Texas starts down the road of becoming a theocracy. A little bit further and we'll have a Taliban state within the USA.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Blossom89

      I read on another blog earlier tonight the following: 'Republicans think, Muslim extremism BAD, Christian extremism GOOD'. That pretty much sums it up.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
  9. momoya

    Fantastic article!. Great job, Trudeau!

    March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
  10. DBLA

    Wait... the republicans want a law requiring doctors to take a sonogram and heart beat and then describe it to a patient. Are these the same Republicans that want fewer laws and smaller government? Oh, except where govt control and new laws are the ones they agree with. Got it. Makes sense now. Proceed.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Mark Knight

    When that moron Perry signed this bill, I was ashamed to be from Texas.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Doglover

      Aren't we all. And to the men who say it shouldn't bother us, how about they have a scope put up their penises. Then they can talk.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • TSmith

        You can't fit one up there because they all have woodies just thinking of women having to lie there and have a 10" wand shoved up their hoo-hah. Disgusting thought? Absolutely! And I bet there's a least a few of those male lawmakers who ARE getting their jollies off thinking about it.

        March 16, 2012 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Gobsmacked

      Thank you!

      March 13, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Duh

    Don;t worry, if you are born in Texas there is a pretty good chance you will be murdered young anyways...Check that stats.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Jim

    Well, abortion is killing, so I don't have much sympthy for these "rape" victims. Also, abortion is about abortionists making money – it's an extremely lucrative industry with very vocal lobbying – it has nothing to do with men taking back any "mileage."

    March 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duh

      Do you eat meat? So I guess killing a fetus is worse then killing other life? Oh the hypocrites! Gotta love them!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • ajk68

        Yes killing an unborn human is worse than killing an animal for food.
        If there is no difference, then it would make sense to eat the baby after the abortion – otherwise you are wasting food!

        March 13, 2012 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duh

      Here is to hoping all texas republicans daughters get raped an are forced to bear the children! Enjoy watching that child slowly resemble the person who raped your daughter! Maybe he/she will grow up to be just like dear old dad!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        What I find funny is, I can count at least 4 girls I went to school with who had abortions...guess who paid for it? Their Christian Republican parents...but all "hush hush" like.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • Peter

        AustinIsFull: 100% correct.

        Many, many Catholics use birth control.

        Many Republican families have authorized abortions. Often, people with money, flying their daughter out of the country.

        Yes...all very hush hush.

        You people are crazy if you think this does not happen.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • sula

      Jim makes me wonder if you have done the same since you don't think rape is such a big deal

      March 13, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim is pro rape

      Wow Jim, didn;t know that you were so pro-rape....they had it coming, didnt they?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Duh

    God raped marry! Therefore christians are pro rape anyways!

    March 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Jane

    I think this is the dumbest debate to date that I have seen on this site. In order to HAVE an abortion, the provider needs to know how far along the pregnancy is to determine what procedure to use! This is a non-issue, and I blame Texas for framing it the way it has, as a means of trying to turn off women from abortion, and I blame the media for framing it from the perspective of rape by ultrasound wand! Ridiculous perspectives on both sides. It is a diagnostic tool done to calculate the gestational age, and does so very accurately in early pregnancy. That helps inform both patient and provider about the safest abortion procedure options available for that stage of pregnancy. Get a grip!

    March 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Benjamin E.

      Jane – if that were the purpose, you'd have a point, but the law requires no medical information be determined from the ultrasound. The only thing the law requires is that the images and sounds be shown to the woman, or at least described. The text of the law is clear as to its purpose. You can read the law yourself in the Texas health code at http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/HS/htm/HS.171.htm (section 171.012 and subsections).

      March 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Doglover

      You are totally wrong. If there is a need for a procedure first to determine what kind of abortion to do, cite your proof.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • keith a dewey

      Dear Jane,

      Do you wear shoes?

      March 13, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • AustinIsFull

      They didn't use these in the 60's or 70's did they? There has to be other ways to find out how far long they are. Or do they just don't think women can be trusted and tell them?

      March 13, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Duh

    God is the biggest murderer of all...An you weaklings worship him! Go Texas!

    March 13, 2012 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Klaark

    Republicans are vicious, stupid, and evil. Texas is the ideal place for them. May the drug cartels ruin the state utterly before we sell it to Mexico and fence it off. With the Texans still inside, of course. Trash.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      Nice. Write off an entire state just because there are idiot right-wingers here. Up yours.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • AustinIsFull

      Please don't generalize my state like that. It just shows how ignorant you really are and that you can't hold a conversation or a debate without calling someone names. Sure hope you don't vote.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
  18. rob

    Aliens visiting our planet would probably wonder how we so easily and thoughtlessly began killing our babies because women have rights.

    Worse, given the chance to think about it, those who support abortion create very elaborate intellectual analyses supporting their contention. Methinks there is a lot of guilt being covered up there.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Darth Cheney

      Actually, they would look at our overcrowded planet and wonder why we weren't more sophisticated regarding birth control.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • rob

        I agree. Don't let it get to the point of murder as a form of birth control.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • ajk68

        Try flying around the world in airplane sometime. Look down and you will see how little of this planet we inhabit and use.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • Peter

        Rob wrote: "agree. Don't let it get to the point of murder as a form of birth control.".

        Better have a talk with Rick Santorum, who is against birth control.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • phk46

        ajk68 – so you think we should keep increasing the population until its standing room only?

        There are *way* too many people on this world already.

        March 13, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • rob has an empty cluebag

      No rob,
      Aliens would be suprised that guys like you exist......guys like you that want to control other people based on your beleifs...you are so holier-than-thou, they would probably vomit as well

      March 13, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • rob

        You are exactly what I am talking about–go ahead and murder kids. Anybody who objects is an empty cluebag. Why so much anger?

        March 13, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • rob

        ...and society has long tried to "control" those who murder others because it is wrong. I don't want to control anybody–I'm just saying that we should call it what it is–the murder of babies.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rob is an idiot

      Rob – I'm sorry, rob; you are a little person and do not warrant a capital letter to start your name.

      It's about choice. It's about freedom. Do not, repeat, do not imprint your mythological beliefs on anyone. Last time I checked, this is still the United States of America – a secular nation.

      Buy a clue.

      Embrace reality.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • rob

        I'm not being ideological, I'm just saying it's murder. I still find it bizarre that half-wits like you take a simple word like "choice" and use it to justify the killing of babies just so you don't have to deal with the residue of your bad choices. If anybody is being ideological, it's you. Start a family and then let's see how you feel about killing babies.

        March 14, 2012 at 12:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Allen

      Guilt for what? Removing something that is 100x smaller than that? -> . I hardly think we feel guild about getting a ball of cells removed. Why is it that the anti-abortion crowd always automatically thinks that we're talking about getting an abortion in the third trimester? You can have an abortion in the first month or two, you know.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Allen

      Guilt for what? Removing something that is 100x smaller than that? -> . I hardly think we feel guilt about getting a ball of cells removed. Why is it that the anti-abortion crowd always automatically thinks that we're talking about getting an abortion in the third trimester? You can have an abortion in the first month or two, you know.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • AustinIsFull

      I thought Christians didn't believe in Aliens? Oh wait...

      March 13, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Report abuse |
  19. kirk

    seems to me the only people for abortion are already alive

    March 13, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Meat

      So....after reading your comments I wish I knew whether or not you are a vegan. Buddy, if you eat meat then you are a hippocrit.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
  20. Saffrondawg

    Hold the phone there! Don't blame men. There are plenty of men who support a woman's right not to reproduce, and as you can see from these posts, plenty of women are strongly anti-abortion. If women were united on the issue of equal rights, there would be an ERA. You outnumber us, you know. To paraphrase another great cartoonist, "You have met the enemy and they is you."

    March 13, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Matt

    In other words, she must make an educated decision...how dare they.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sheepleherder

      Amazingly, most of those women are more "educated" on the subject than the politician who is forcing them to be reeducated.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      So her decision before that instance must have been uneducated? Please!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Matt

        If she had been educated then how did she end up with a child she does not wish to have...

        March 13, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • ajk68

      Yes. Woman are uneducated about abortion – especially young woman. They have been brainwashed into calling the baby a fetus. They have no idea about the amount of development that takes place and when.
      We should at least give women a test (like a driving test) to see if they know about the development of the baby. But I'm quite sure abortion proponents would oppose that attempt at education too.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Duh

    If you want republicans to support abortion just say all fetuses possess WMD's! Don't worry about proof! They will gladly murder them anyways!

    March 13, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Sheepleherder

    A clump of cells is not a human until it gets a soul. That is NOT when it is "conceived", but it IS well before it is "born".

    March 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
  24. kirk

    seems to me the only people for abortion are already alive and i have this desire to see the procedure preformed on you while your awake

    March 13, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Courser01

      Kirk, you're an idiot and clearly know nothing about the procedure. We ARE awake during the procedure.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • kirk

        ding dong read it again slower this time ok ill hand hold you i want the procedure of ripping the body apart by suction preformed on them and see how they like it

        March 13, 2012 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • kirk

        you are hilariously slow try reading it again slower this time ooookkkk

        March 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      So you aren't really pro life at all. Or maybe when a zygote is allowed to fully develop and be born into the world and grows up to be a pro-choicer, THEN it is ok to kill them!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • kirk

        no just your personally

        March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • kirk

        correction no just you personally am i clear enough

        March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
  25. bear

    A cartoonist takes a Texas law, misrepresents what is says and everyone, including the author of this article, takes the cartoon as fact.

    The Texas law does not require anything be inserted inside a woman. It requires a standard ultrasound which is done by passing the device over the outside of the woman's abdoman. Every woman having a child goes has one of these.

    It is scary that so many people, including CNN's journalists get most of their information from the comics page.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • curtis

      .... and this is better, because???

      March 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      Not every woman has one, many can't afford it

      March 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • mom23

      bear,

      EVERY WOMAN WHO HAS A BABY HAS ONE OF THESE? Really? You've spoken to every woman who's had a baby? I must have memory lapse because I don't recall that conversation when I was pregnant 3 times. I love that you are willing to pay for these for every woman who wants an abortion. Thanks!!!!!!!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Reasonable1

    Republicans are lost. They want the government out of peoples lives. However, they want the government to insert a 10" wand allowed by the Texas Sharia law.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
  27. MJ

    Let me state what I consider to be an undeniable fact: IF MALES WERE THE ONES WHO HAD TO CARRY AROUND A CHILD (WHETHER WANTED OR NOT) INSIDE THEIR BODIES FOR NINE MONTHS, THERE WOULD BE ABORTION CLINICS ON EVERY STREET CORNER.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • kirk

      your a liar

      March 13, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      Absolutely! I do not even think men should have a say in the matter. Bottom line is they have no clue what they are talking about.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • kirk

        so a child has to die because you cant stay off your back

        March 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • BRod

        You mean a zygote? The real problem here is that it is no business who is on whose back and what they do with their own bodies afterwards.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Saffrondawg

        Under current law, men do not have a "say." They do not even have the right to notification that a fetus that they have parented even exists, until it is born, at which time they become liable for child support.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • commonprimate

      or abortion would be a sacrament.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • ajk68

        Nice cliche. Good to see you thinking for yourself.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Courser01

      Thank you! I would have put it all in caps, but that's like yelling so I won't. I just wish more men would realize that women don't make the choice without thought. Everyone I know who's had one carries it with her for the rest of her life. I won't say it's emotionally damaging for most, but it's just something that you know you can't ever talk about. Many of us are ashamed. Not because getting an abortion is wrong in any way, but society makes us carry the secret forever. And that makes us feel ashamed.

      Thanks so much for injecting a little bit of humor into such a controversial subject. BTW, I've always thought the same way about men 😉

      March 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Glenn Lee

    One of the foundations of America's greatness is "freedom of speech". As outraged as I am over the latest outburst from Russ Limbaugh (which ironically was another attack on women), I am not in favor of efforts to have him removed from the airways. He has a right to spew (another form of speech) anything think he wants. The new Texas law is obscene and outragous. And equally outragous and un-american are the newspapers removing Doomesberry for attacking the Texas law. Please pray for America...

    March 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
  29. kirk

    abortion is murder, it takes a life period end of story so a child has to die because you cant stay off your back
    the exceptions rape, incest, life endangerment of mother AND KNOW THIS I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT A WOMAN'S OPINION ON THIS MATTER heck you all get mad because of honor killings that's just abortion after being born

    March 13, 2012 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      So you have exceptions? Some zygotes are babies and shouldn't be killed and other zygotes are babies and should absolutely be killed? You anti-abortionists are really twisted.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • kirk

        is that all your low iq can come up with

        March 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • BRod

        So your only response is to insult my intelligence? You are a hypocrite and you know it!

        March 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • commonprimate

      i'm a guy. you and i should be the last people deciding women's health issues. you seem to be a very angry person. try therapy.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Doglover

        That's the crux of the matter. Republicans, and here in Texas, most of our legislators and men, campaign on less government, but find it necessary to have control of what's under a woman's skirt. I wonder how they'd feel, if the tables were reversed, and women got to have control of what's in a man's pants. And for those of you are are anti-abortion, just please, please tell me who will care for the unwanted babies born. Will you take on 10 or 20 or so? Do you have any idea how many children are sitting in orphanages and foster homes because they have been thrown away by their parents? And all you want to do is throw more children in the mix. Unbelievable..

        March 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Saffrondawg

      So murder is okay if the fetus is the product of rape or incest? Or is not murder then because the fetus has no soul if it is conceived out of incest or a rape? This theology always seems a little tortured to me.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • AustinIsFull

      Maybe we need a law that will sterilize men like you. But see, that would be too envasive. You have no right to tell someone what to do with their body. You think it's murder, fine, a lot don't and until you grow a uterus, your opinion means nothing to women. Nothing.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kirk Cameron is that you

      Kirk Cameron is that you or just one of your idiotic followers?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:33 am | Report abuse |
  30. Duh

    Republicans just want all these unwanted babies born so they can molesate them...FACT!

    March 13, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • kirk

      i say this straight to your face yo a liar

      March 13, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • gretchen

      People like you seem to ignore the fact that Hollywood mostly votes Democrat. SAnd it is Hollywood that has churned out lower and lower morality standards for the nation to follow for decades.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duh

      Really last I check republicans killed more people in the past 10 years then hollywood.....I guess you don't count them because they were muslim an have your precious oil.....Congrats you murderer

      March 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Ken Margo

    I can't help but notice that those that are against abortion aren't offering any money to support these kids. Kids aren't free. Like I've said before, the phony crooked christian conservatives from the pope on down really don't care about these kids.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      No they just care about controlling other people and making them forcibly submit to their beloved sky god.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Hadenuffyet

        Joseph Mengele would've really liked you.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • kirk

      so your answer is to kill them
      what if someone said the same about you now for one reason or another

      March 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hadenuffyet

      No , kids aren't free , which is the REAL reason most abortions are sought.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Arthur Paliden

    Next up Virginity Tests like they have in Egypt.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • WDinDallas

      From the articles found on CNN...you won't find one at Georgetown.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Otter

    The evangelical right who were all whipped into a lather that Sharia law might somehow come to dominate our society now put this law forward? Next thing you know they will advocate public execution of women who have "shamed" their husband for whatever reason the husband sees fit.

    Furthermore, Republicans are beside themselves decrying "Obamacare" as beyond the government's ability to manage. They have even gone so far as to suggest that people can reasonable opt out of receiving health care for their entire life. Now they want to mandate that the state intervene between a patient and their doctor?

    Machiavelli would point out that the Republicans are simply using religion as a means to gain and assert power. There is little consistency in their rationale unless we admit that the rationale is that it is acceptable to be irrational if it convinces people to vote for them.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • commonprimate

      good post. i think reps and wackadoodle religious people are repressed and are jealous that we don't buy into their insanity.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
  34. dbcooper

    Every human, mammal, fish, reptile, bird, insect, tree, plant and EVERY life form is comprised of ....CELLS.

    So, according to pro-abortionist logic, a nuclear holocaust that eliminated all life on Earth would merely be disposing of "clumps of cells".

    March 13, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      No, but thanks for playing!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sheepleherder

      Do you consider those other forms of Gods creations equal to man? Do you believe they have souls? Do you believe that making a reasoned response to a troubling issue is a nonsensical diatribe or would you consider just creating a logical response to the question of "when does a clump of cells become a human being" to be sufficient?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • dbcooper

        At what point does a human being become NOT comprised of cells?

        March 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sheepleherder

        Every living thing is comprised of "cells". You should ask when does a human become more than just a clump of cells.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • commentary42

        Actually if ANY life is sacred then all life is sacred. So, yes, I hold all lifeforms just as sacred as human lives. We are actually far more of a destructive force on this planet than a force for good. There is no proof of God or soul other than what we choose to believe. I tell those who would elevate man above all other beings to go crawl back into whatever holier than thou book they oozed out of.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris Synfield

      You know, the accuracy of a syllogistic argument like the one you just put forth has been proven by time & history to be nonsense.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • CMH

      And by the 'pro-life' logic cutting the grass would be mass murder. This is a tricky situation morally, because we are the ones who get to decide what morals are. In the good ol days it would be easier because the child and mother would not survive and natural balance is preserved. Our modern times may one day be looked at as the 'good ol days' when we are forced to 'cull the herd' that will be humanity choking the planet.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bif

      You're not very smart are you

      March 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
  35. Jenny

    REALLY! I had this type of ultrasound done with both of my kids. It's not in any way, shape, or form painful. The abortion is more of a "rape" than an ultrasound. The abortion is doing damage to the body. I am completely pro-choice. A woman should be able to choose. However when push comes to shove you are causing a miscarriage. If you want to categorize the ultrasound as rape then you need to qualify the abortion as rape as well.I think this is a way to break through the survival instinct that says "I can't possibly do this." As much as liberals don't want to admit it there are women who suffer post traumatic stress disorder because the choice for abortion was rash and not thought through. I do however find the waiting period extensive. Make it an hour. Enough time to think through what's happening without endangering someone who is in a domestic violence situation.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alex

      It is all about consent. I have had the proceedure as well. I was not required to have that proceedure by a 3rd party that has no health care credential.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nicole

      Every hear of the abortion pill? Not exactly a form of rape to take a pill.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • LaurieD

      Rape is not a choice.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
  36. BRod

    Ok, for all of you who DO think that a zygote is the same thing as a baby, how about this: unless you plan to adopt and support the zygote when it becomes an actual child, mind your own business! That fertilized egg is NOT YOUR BUSINESS! Period! A bigger tragedy than ending a pregnancy – destroying an unconscious form of life that nowhere near resembles a human being – is adding more unwanted children to the world. The world is messed up enough.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • bear

      A cartoonist takes a Texas law, misrepresents what is says and everyone, including the author of this article, takes the cartoon as fact.

      The Texas law does not require anything be inserted inside a woman. It requires a standard ultrasound which is done by passing the device over the outside of the woman's abdoman. Every woman having a child goes has one of these.

      It is scary that so many people, including CNN's journalists get most of their information from the comics page.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • angryed

      My brother and I were both adopted children....thank goodness our biological mothers did the responsible thing and gave us a chance at life with a loving family....you glibly talk of inconsequential termination of zygots as a responsible alternative to unwanted children....my very existence would have been snuffed out by people with views like yours...and apparently with no more remorse than swatting a fly....how sad

      March 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mindurbusiness

        Are you a product of rape or incest? Maybe she just realized when it was too late, or maybe she had you to keep her current boyfriend. Whatever it is, just be glad she didn't drag you through her life of misery because giving up a child is no easier than having an abortion. The only difference is that one can come seek you out later.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Courser01

        Trust me, no woman has an abortion thoughtlessly. We think hard about it and consider our options. Abortion in the US is at historic lows because there are very good organizations that support pregnant women who don't want to abort for personal or religious reasons. Plenty of women take that into consideration, believe me.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hadenuffyet

      Unconscious.. then if someone puts a bullet in your head while your asleep , that's ok? I think not. Mankind has come to the point that he believes he is bigger than the processes that created him. I think the real fear is that people make these decisions because they don't want the responsibility that comes with it. A lot of that around it seems. And I'm not even a Repubican.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
  37. Sheepleherder

    Why is it that the most vocal, self proclaimed "pro-life", advocates are always the first to demand to go to war, and always the first to want to deprive death row prisoners their lives, and always the first to want to deprive women and the poor access to medical treatments that will improve their already existing "life"?? That seems contrary to what I would consider "pro-life".

    March 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Trailsong

      The seeming hypocracy of loving killing wars but demanding that women have no control over their child-bearing life is perfectly rational to someone with that "pro-life" mindset. If women worldwide had control over their own bodies, wherre would generals get cannon fodder for the killing fields? This is not about loving the fetus or religion freedom; it is about controlling a basic resource, women's reporductive systems.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • ajk68

      Nice misrepresentation of pro-lifers. Actually a substantial number of pro-lifers have opposed both wars in Iraq.
      You should get to know the pro-life movement; to identify it with the Republican party or vocal politicians claiming to be pro-life would be a mistake.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
  38. bear

    It would be nice if what you were reading was an honest debate of the law. It is not. The law mandates a sonogram and can be fulfilled by the normal ultrasound procedure which nearly all pregnant women go through. Essentially the ultrasound device is moved on top of the women's abdomen to provide a "picture" of the fetus. The law requires the doctor to offer to let the woman see the ultrasound and listen to the heartbeat. It specifically gives her the right to refuse. The law does require the doctor to explain the images to her which essentially is to inform her of whether the fetus looks healthy or not. It also requires a 25 hour waiting period after the explanation.

    If someone disagrees with this law that is fine, but the tactic of exaggerating what the law does is tiresome and does not help at all. This country has hard issues to deal with. One side or the other misrepresenting the facts does not help at all.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Harlequinn Bell

    Dear Anti-Abortionists, Conservatives, Republican and/or Religious Zealots:

    You often fall back to the postion that abortion is murder, and while I know that nothing that I say is ever going to change that, let me at the very least share with you what I believe. What I believe is that I don't believe what you believe. I believe that science and medicine is the best judge of when a collection of cells becomes a viable human life, not religion and politics. I believe that an individuals relationship with their god, no matter what form it takes, or doesn't take, is between that individual and their god (or absence of one), and that you have no right to impose what you believe on another thinking human being. If a woman who seeks and is granted an abortion is going to have to answer for that at the end of her days, you will NOT be a part of that conversation she has with her maker, if she believe that she will be having one.

    And that is what all of this boils down to – you are making things your business that are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Your religious beliefs end at the end of your nose. Actively seeking to prevent another person from exercising their right to live by their own conscience is not a right. A person getting an abortion, or taking birth control or marrying someone of the same gender has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. You want to live in a world where those things don't happen, fine – do so, with my encouragement and blessing, but many other's don't want to live in that world with you. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. You are not free to rig everything so that everyone else has to believe what you believe as well.

    Forcibly inserting something in someone else's body is a violation of their autonomy and individual personhood, end of story. If you disagree, then you are allowed to, but it also means that someone is free to stick something up some part of you against your will. If you don't think they are, then all this peice of legislation is is exactly what the comic says – punishing women who don't want to stay in the role you think they should play.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • WDinDallas

      Ahh, come on. Don't you want to have a peek at the little mound of flesh. It could have feet, toes....hands and fingers.

      Or would that change your mind?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • RonFromNM

        The key words in your reply are "want to". Anyone that "wants to" is free to do so, w/o coercion of the legislature. Govt has no place in people's private lives. Period.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • JasonP

        This form of relative conscience is a slippery slope. If the government has no place in my life, then laws have no meaning. I think its funny that either side twists the rules to support their argument. The fact is that if we apply this relative conscience anywhere else it would be thrown out on the spot. If someone said i think its ok for you to drive 100mph because you believe that is when speeding starts – they would laugh you out of a drivers license. Abortion is a convenience, its a sometimes a very attractive easy way out of a tough situation, its almost never a medically driven decision.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • JasonP

        If I am having a baby and have a genetic test on it and find out there is a high likely hood that child might be gay, and I abort it for that reason alone, is that ok?

        March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      Excellent post! Couldn't have said it better!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • RonFromNM

      Harlequinn Bell, well said!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duh

      @Wturdfacedallas...So you are against all those babies and children that were killed in IRAQ? You know the war you couldn't wait to start....CONGRATS YOU BABY KILLER!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • WDinDallas

        Not my war....almost every woman and child was murdered by fellow Iraqi's in that war. Not by our soldiers. Very few deaths from bombs, and most of those instances the Iraqi's were using women and children as shields.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Duh

        Not your war? Not your Body....Haha. You lose...go back to chasing mexicans with your shotgun you hillbilly.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • iheartyou

      Harlequinn Bell: YOU I heart big time. Best post on the board. 🙂

      March 13, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • absolutely agree

      You said it all. The GOP keeps ranting and raving about how democrats infringe on their rights and tell them what to do. If any of these GOP candidates get into the white house we willl see more of this right wing religious fanaticism. It will be more like Iran that the good ole USA.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • thelawdoesntlie

      Well said! How about for every woman that has to go through this procedure, the lawmakers get the same instrument stuck up their a$$ to see how they like it.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • hal

      I don't get the "rape" part. How is that considered rape? I had that done for a different procedure and it doesn't hurt at all...I don't get why people are all twisted up by this....oh well.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • LaurieD

        Was it your choice? Or did someone say to you that the only way you could go on with your life was to lie back and take it?

        March 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Courser01

      Fabulous post! Thank you for such a well articulated argument.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
  40. WDinDallas

    The difference is intent.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • thelawdoesntlie

      Intent doesn't mean anything when talking about the law. The law is the law and this is considered rape. The law is written to take intent out of it. The law is not subjective as to avoid corruption (of the already corrupt) "justice" system. I hope these women file rape charges against the law makers.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lazlo

      The "intent" of many deranged serial rapists is to demonstrate their love, or hate, or indifference, or religious beliefs, or control over their victems. Regardless of "intent", forced penetration against the will of the victem is RAPE. Why? BECAUSE IT IS FORCED UPON THE RECIPIENT AGAINST THEIR WILL AND RIGHTS. It matters not that the deranged serial rapists in question are elected officials and religious zealots. Except to say that they should know better, and be punished with the same level of extreme prejudice.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
  41. Q

    Crazy liberal social engineering. When will these liberals learn to respect our rights. I wish these liberals would stop increasing the power of government and stay out of our lives. These liberals are slowly getting rid of all our personal rights and freedoms. Oh, wait, the conservatives are responsible for this. Well, I guess if Jesus says its okay it must be.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jadugara

      Ha ha!! You are totally awesome... I think I love you....

      March 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
  42. 1ofTheFallen

    I think in about 100 to 150 years from now people will look back and think how backward and cruel we were to murder our own babies. They will look at our baby murder in the way we look at how blacks and native americans were treated in our past. The way we look at the Spanish Inquisition as horrible atrocities. They will wonder with all the options to avoid getting pregant how we thought killing babies was appropriate.

    Calling a baby a fetus does not make it any less a baby. Do you ever see people ask a pregant mother when her fetus is due? Do you ever see people ask a pregant mother how her fetus is doing? Do you ever see people ask a pregant mother if her fetus is a boy or girl? No because it is only a fetus when someone doesn't want it but that doesn't make it any less a baby.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mindurbusiness

      Thanks for adopting all those homeless children out there. They appreciate it.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Catherine

        Your comment says it all. Thanks for posting it.

        How many pro-lifers/anti-abortionists have adopted children?
        Adopt a child or several (esp a special needs child), then talk to me.
        Oh, and what happens if it's your teenage daughter who's pregnant? It's so easy to throw stones at others until you are in their shoes.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      Sorry but early abortion is not baby murder. A zygote is not a baby.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • WDinDallas

        Yes it is.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Hadenuffyet

        At what point does your "zygote" cease being a "zygote" and become a baby? just askin..

        March 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        zygote is...a rock?... a plant?...salamander..? One sure way to tell what a zygote is...wait 9 month, and then you'll find...somehow the zygote transformed from magically into something it wasn't supposed to be at all.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      "Backward and cruel" 150 years from now when the Earth is grossly overpopulated with millions upon millions of starving children and unemployed parents?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • WDinDallas

        If we continue down the path the progressives have us going it will be like that. Vote Republican!

        March 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        Of course John, that's how we solve this problem, just cull out a few babies like so many weeds in your garden. Beautiful idea.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • ajk68

        John, you know very little about demographics. Most western countries are right around population replacement levels – some are below. People have been banging the drum of overpopulation for over 40 years.

        Fact of the matter is that we are more food per person today then we did then! In the US we actually turn a good percentage of our corn into fuel – we have so much! Starvation is a food distribution problem.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duh

      Yes cause abortion has only been around recently. An no a fetus is not a baby. Neither is sperm neither is an egg. I think the future will be more demoralized at how we treated life after birth...Abandoned babies to orphanages, lack of social programs for unwanted children....etc...etc

      Maybe if you cared more about the real babies and children in the world more people would be willing to have their baby when they know it will be impossible to provide them with a worth while life....Think about it, wont you? Thank you

      March 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • mdwestgrl

        people have tried to abort unwanted pregnancies for centuries...they had herbal remedies that would induce abortion – although it was hit and miss. It was dangerous but people did it.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • commentary42

        Abortion has only been around recently? Hon, it has been going on for thousands of years in every culture on the planet. The difference now is that it can be done safely instead of women dying at the hands of some back alley butcher. This is that prohibition dilemma. Outlawing something that people are going to persist in doing anyway only drives it underground and creates black markets and crime rings. If people believe it is OK to drink alcohol no law is going to stop them. If they believe it is OK to terminate a pregnancy there are going to do it. These laws are designed strictly for shaming, no other reason – as if women are not adults with the right to make their own private medical decisions.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • ajk68

        commentary42: did they have abortion before back-alleys...?

        The number of abortions have increased dramatically since it was made legal in the US. And women still die and are mutilated (typically with perforated uterus that requires admission to a hospital) at the hands of abortionists in clinics. They are just swept under the rug by the media. Abortion is a for-profit business.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • RonFromNM

      I think in 100 to 150 years from now when the human population is 50 billion and everyone has to eat and sleep standing up because there isn't any space they'll be wondering why their forebears didn't only have children they wanted.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Epimetheus

      1ofTheFallen? I know there was no Garden of Eden, and therefore of "tree of life"; however, people like you make me quite certain there is a "tree of stupidity." There is no logic or reasoning behind your rambling. You repeat your cult-scripted obtusity with no sign of a functioning mind or even a human being behind vapid attempt at logic. And, while you are saving these "babies" why are you not committing to keep them safe from war, poverty and the hatred and mistreatment some will surely face because they will be born with mental and/or physical handicaps, or they will be born GLBT?
      Are you willing to take a stance against the death penalty and war? And, are you willing to pledge your unending efforts and support to providing food, shelter, clothing, education, medical care and loving parenting by any individual or couple, including GLBT individuals or couples? Because, if you are unwilling to support and endorse all of these conditions, you are unable to understand what children need and what responsibilities are included with parenting.
      I am guessing that centuries from now, historians and social critics will be puzzled as to how religion was allowed to freely impose its will and prerogatives upon members of society, and how people tolerated these wannabe theocracies. As to what will be in the museums, I believe Twain has it right that, “Christianity will doubtless still survive in the earth ten centuries hence–stuffed and in a museum.”

      March 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
  43. dbcooper

    Since 1973, the US has killed 50 million babies to "save the lives" 100,000.women.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      *zygotes.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris Synfield

      Your math is extremely screwed up. Unless all those 100,000 women were named Duggard.......

      March 13, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • dbcooper

      No, that is the estimate of women who would have died in "back-alley" abortions if not for roe v wade

      March 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Courser01

        That math don't love you, dbcooper.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm | Report abuse |
  44. NotGrandma-yet

    My child was raped by her father and we were going to be moving to Texas in a couple days! She's very early and an abortion was recommended by all medical personnel involved as she just turned 12 and is a very tiny person. Is this what will be done to her once we get there? maybe I need to reconsider my plans? perhaps a different state? Help!

    March 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • iheartyou

      12 years old?!?!?! Oh, that poor little one. I'm so sorry about what she had to go through – what you both are going through. Yes, Texas would definitely not be the state for you. My heart goes out to you. I hope that you and your daughter are able to move past this and that that b*stard father of hers is in jail.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Courser01

      Come to Colorado. I know an excellent doctor. Haven't checked recently if he's still practicing, but he and his staff were absolutely wonderful to me. Won't put his name here, but if you would like to see him, I can pass on his info for you.

      I'm so very sorry for both you and your daughter. It's a crime that they're making this so much tougher. It's already traumatic and to add to that is disgraceful.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • cheri

        It's a crime? What do you call murder? Oh yeah, you call it Abortion. Which i guess in your mind makes Murder ok, and therefore not a crime.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Courser01

        Just checked and the doctor is still practicing.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Arthur Paliden

      Move to a civilized country. Like Canada. Not being a citizen you would have to pay the current abortion but in time once you get citizenship you will be enjoying a much better life on the whole.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        Very civilized...kill off babies for convenience sake. Expecting a girl but want a boy? Let's be civilized about this. Kill the baby and start over. It's Canada after all!

        March 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • JasonP

      I think your first mistake was fathering a child with a rapist/child molester/in breeder. You have way bigger issues that your daughter has been subjected too already by your negligence as a parent to be online worrying about a state law – in a state you will move to in the future. I mean really this has to be fake, who is concerned with an issue like that when your child has been raped by their own father... You have way bigger fish to fry...

      March 13, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • iheartyou

      Wow. Some of you folks on here are even more heartless than I could have ever imagined. Calling her daughter a potential murderer?? Saying she made bad parental choices by marrying the girl's father in the first place ??? (you know – he probably wasn't wearing a sign that said "hi! I'm a child molester" when she met him, genius.) This is crazy.

      I wish you and your daughter the best NotGrandma-yet, but please, for your own sanity and emotional health, get off of this board. Talk to someone that can actually help you and give you some sane and well-rounded advice. Some people on blog boards can be such idiots and offer absolutely nothing of value to the conversation. Best wishes.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • readforyourself

      As the mother of two girls and a voter in Texas, I have been trying to stay informed about this law since it was a bill being debated in Austin. The bill that passed was a compromise–you don't want to read what they originally wanted.
      Please read the law for yourself. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/82R/billtext/pdf/HB00015F.pdf#navpanes=0

      Minors, as well as victims of rape and cases of medically necessary abortions, are not required by law to go through the same procedures or coercion tactics as other women. It specifically states these exceptions and prints the form that must be signed to bypass them. Your daughter would/will not have to go through that.

      March 19, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Matt

    By this UN's definition, ALL gynecological exams are rape. Stupid.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      A proper gyno exam is not uncomfortable. This procedure is designed to be uncomfortable specifically to traumatize the patient. That's sick, and it's unbelievable that one would suggest such a thing, much less make it a law!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • ag

        a gyn exam is not rape because it is done with consent. the "exams" described here are forced upon women.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • ajk68

        No, the procedure is relatively painless. The abortion proponents just want to make it sound like some sort of painful intrusion into the women. Typical misrepresentation by the pro-abortion movement.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • coerced

      Apparently you conveniently read over the word "coerced"

      March 13, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mindurbusiness

        I've never had a comfortable gyno exam, you can't speak for all. It's part of having a medical procedure, I understand that and I'm ok with it.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Huh?

      "physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration"

      Gynecological exams are requested by women as a part of their health. This sonogram is not requested.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • amy

      Hey dipsh**t, the difference here is consent.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • mdwestgrl

      no this bill forces it...

      March 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mindurbusiness

        Ok, just trying to catch up. If they force a doctor do a sonogram and the patient refuses, the doc can't do the procedure? That sounds odd. What happened to patient's rights? Don't patients have the right to deny a procedure? If the Doc can do the procedure w/o a sonogram, why should the patient be forced to get it?? Just saying, there are some patient rights issues here.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • commentary42

        Mindurbusiness. Yes, that is exactly right. Both the woman and the doctor must participate in this coerced penetration (legal definition of rape) and if they do not he can she both can be prosecuted if they go ahead with the termination. NOW you understand how appalling this is and how dangerous a legal precedent. They are basically legislating what medical procedures happen in a private examination room.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gloria

      An normal gynecological exam, done properly and as part of overall healthcare is not "forced penetration". Your analogy doesn't really apply.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • you're kidding... right?

      Uh... Did you miss the "consent" part?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Snowapple

      "Physically forced" idiot.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • you have problems

      A physical exam is consensual. If not that too is legally rape. Dude you should take care who YOU call stupid .

      March 13, 2012 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
  46. dbcooper

    Commies hate when they can not kill babies

    March 13, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jadugara

      You are an I D I O T....

      I'll tell you what, how about the next time you want to have some operation done, I get to force you to get a 10" pipe shoved up your a.s.s. Then you can tell me how you're perfectly happy with that...

      March 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Billy

    I have never understood the religeous right's ability to say that killing an unborn child is an act against God but sending thousands of young women and men to their death in war is holy in God's eyes. These people throw the Ten Commandments in our face but seem to forget 'Thou Shalt Not KILL'. Tell me what is the difference?

    March 13, 2012 at 7:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      Especially when they believe in a book that tells story after story of god mercilessly slaughtering innocent children- yeah, ACTUAL BABIES OUTSIDE THE WOMB. Not a lump of cells in a womb.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
  48. JohnM

    THIS IS SICKENING! Abortion should be difficult, not a right, and certainly not a right paid for by taxes. Abortion is killing an innocent child who deserves the chance to live. To argue that life does not begin at conception is to ignore all the medical evidence, and is simply a philosophical one, The percentage of abortion due to a real endangerment to the life of the mother is very rare, and the percentage of those due to rape and incest is even more rare, and certainly not worth 50 million murdered American children since 1973. The jewish holocaust of WWII pails in comparison to the abortion holocaust.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      You are comparing the destruction of zygotes to the torture and murder of human beings in the Holocaust? You need help.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • JohnM

        Apparantly you have told yourself this so many times you've actually come to believe it. However, just because you believe it does not make it true. To belive you were of no value and sub-human in your mothers womb is really sad. I hope you come to a knowledge of the truth someday.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • nolo

      Abortion is not murder. A person needs to be a person first and a zygote isn't human and no amout of faulty science can get you there. Your belief if yours to have. It is not mine. And I refuse to grant you the right to impose your will on me. I won't force you to adopt my belief system; stop trying to impose yours on me.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • JohnM

        You really should learn to think for yourself instead of repeating what you've heard. You were of the same value in your mother's womb as you are now. I hope you too come to a knowledge of the truth someday.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        Nolo, if a zygote isn't human, what is it?

        March 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • linda123

      John, when you grow a uterus, get back to me with your opinion. Till then, STFU.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • John W.

        Although I agree with your sentiment, your cliched and crude reference is ridiculous. So, by your juvenile argument, anything to do with anything male should be a topic that you, as a woman, have no right to address? Gotcha. Just remember that. If a man runs for any public office, you have no right to an opinion. You say that affects you? You think abortion doesn't affect everyone? Of course it does. It has been statistically proven that most crime is committed by those people who were the product of unwanted pregnancies. Next time you decide to open your uninformed, biased mouth, try doing something you clearly do little of: think.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • JohnM

        As much as you would like to think so this is not an issue that only concerns women. The 50 million+ American abortions the past 35+ years involved the death of both girls and boys, and I believe those boys would like for someone to care and speak up for them as well. You really should learn to think for yourself rather than swallowing the status quo.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mindurbusiness

      PAID FOR BY TAXES!! Where do I sign up for a free abortion?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • mdwestgrl

        if you are so obsessed with the costs to you then I think you would prefer early abortion to unwanted children in the system who eventually turn into criminals...much more expensive

        March 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • cheri

        there's no such thing as an "unwanted child"; there are millions of childless couples who would love to adopt your unborn baby, if only you would let the baby live.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • JohnM

        Really? Do you have so many abortions that you need the government to pay for it? Well, let's start with the recent legislation that forces medical providers and employers to pay for "contraception", which will encompass abortion causing drugs. If anyone thinks the politicians will stop there are dreaming. Free buys votes.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • RonFromNM

      JohnM what's sickening is your insistence on imposing your **flawed** views on others. Don't want an abortion?: Don't get one!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        Every time a woman has an abortion, she's imposing her views on another. People who oppose abortion want to give voice to those who are victims of having other's views imposed on them.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
  49. Alex

    Republicans major complaint about government mandated health care is that would put government between patient and doctor. Ironically it is republicans who are enacting laws that are puting government between women and their doctosr. I guess that republican only object if government gets between men and their doctors.

    I applaud Trudeau for bringing this subject to light. It is sad that it takes a comic strip spark the debate and that the debate is being stifled by newspapers who normally carry Doonesbury not running it this week.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
  50. BRod

    As someone posted before: a zygote is not a person.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mindurbusiness

      If they are people, well then......I should redo my taxes.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        You're rght, we should let tax policy decide this complex moral issue.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Foreverwar

    Welcome to Rick Perry's Texas, where the laws get reshaped so the women get raped! Yee haw!

    March 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
  52. John

    The Taliban of Texas. This is part of the country that is fighting against Muslims. Is it any wonder that the TSA is checking Americans more than the rest of the world is checking anyone else.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Mark

    While that law is a horrible concept that strip was ridiculous and stupid. Abortion laws in general are to prevent murder, not tell a woman what she can or can't do with her body. You can rationalize what form of life that is in your womb but it's still life and to kill it is murder. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be exceptions such as rape, incest, and life of mother/baby but to not allow people to kill a baby isn't telling a woman what she can or can't do with her body anymore than not allowing her to shoot a person in the street is.

    This country has a lot of issues and it's obvious more and more every day how bad things are when people can rationalize abortion the way they do. Again the law in Texas is ridiculous and shouldn't exist but abortion as a common practice has no business being around either. There is no shortage of families that would love to adopt the life you chose to terminate because you can't figure out how to use birth control or aren't prepared to accept the consequences of your actions.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sheepleherder

      I always wonder that the most vocal, self proclaimed "pro-life", advocates are always the first to demand to go to war, and always the first to want to deprive death row prisoners their lives, and always the first to want to deprive women and the poor access to medical treatments that will improve their chances for "life"?? That seem contrary to what I would consider "pro-life".

      March 13, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        Sweeping generalization Sheepleherder. You shouldn't be so bigoted in your views.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • tinisha

      Getting an abortion is not an easy decision to make but its my decision to make. Unless the government is going to help me to raise and take care of a child financially that I do not want stay the hell out of my uterus. And this goes to all of those people who are pro-life as well. Unless you are willing to help me raise I child that I cannot raise on my own then stay the hell out of my uterus. This is ridiculous. I have had to have two abortions because I had ectopic pregnancies after I had gotten my tubes tied. Twice I almost died because of it. It scares the hell out of me to know that if the Republicans had their way I may not be here right now and by the way neither would the child. Why cant people just mind their own business. My deciding to have an abortion does not affect anyones life but mine so stop trying to force your pro-choice beliefs on me. Just keep them to yourself.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        No abortion legislation has ever been proposed that does not provide an exception for the life of the mother.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leslie

      This law is not about protecting potential life. It is about using quasi-religious beliefs to control and humiliate women. Not exactly a new concept......

      March 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        I think what you're saying is you're more offended at the intrusive procedure than about ending a human beings life. I guess what we should do is let people kill their babies in peace. What right have we to discourage such a thing?

        March 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • commentary42

      The abortion issue has been settled with Roe vs Wade. It is LEGAL Get over it and stop trying to shame people or deprive them of their rights to a legal medical procedure. These sneak attack laws are just setting dangerous precedents for the rights of everyone.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:16 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Freethinker Seeking Reason

    All the more reason to vote these extremist GOP lunatics out of office in November. They are dragging our country back to the 11th century kicking and screaming, and we the people will not take it anymore!!

    March 13, 2012 at 7:07 pm | Report abuse |
  55. TrueReality

    The abortion doctors who are filing a lawsuit aren't upset about having to perform a sonogram. They're upset because it might cut back their business, or at the very least make the process take longer. They're worried that their profits will shrink.

    Don't rely on the media's reports! Read the bill for yourself!

    What the bill does say: Doctors must perform a sonogram. Doctors must inform women that an abortion does carry the possibility of medical risks, including infertility or hemorrhage (which is medical fact). Doctors must provide women with information about neonatal assistance available to them if they do bear the child, about the child support the father would be required to pay, and about acquiring contraception for future use. Doctors must review the sonogram and medically describe the results to women.

    What the bill DOES NOT say: Women are not required to view the sonogram or hear the heartbeat; they must only be offered the option to do so. The bill does not mandate the "10 inch wand" people are talking about; it can be any sonogram/ultrasound procedure.

    To read the bill for yourself, go here (remove spaces): http://www. capitol.state.tx. us/tlodocs/82R/billtext/html/HB00015F.htm

    March 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • joenjuneau

      Oh, that's different. No problem then. Let the government mandate a medical procedure.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • TrueReality

        Why not? Evidently they can mandate medical insurance coverage.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
  56. JJ

    DISGUSTING. I honestly can't find a better word than DISGUSTING. But it's Texas, am I surprised? Not at all. Continuing to make themselves look like the 9th circle of Hell on Earth. Who would willfully live there I don't even want to know.

    March 13, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • bear

      Most about to be aborted fetus's would probably pick texas. maybe their mom would have a change of heart looking at the sonogram. worth a shot from the fetus's point of view.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Report abuse |
  57. Joe

    If an ultrasound is rape, then I guess these women never visit their gynecologists??? o_O

    March 13, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • JJ

      Joe, next time you have a 10 inch rod stuck up where the sun don't shine maybe you'll understand, yeah? Maybe that's what they should do to equalize the wonderful experience.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • iheartyou

      Consenting and volunteering to be examined by a gynecologist is not rape.
      Having a medical instrument shoved into your *** without your request or consent (and in this case, against your will), is.
      Not a hard concept to understand.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pat

      Rape is against her will....the women seeking an abortion are being forced. Going to your gyne for a checkup, even if it involves penetration with a medical instrument, is done of your own free will. Big difference.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • incredulity

      I know this is too complicate for Joe to understand but a procedure agreed upon by doctor and patient isn't the same as a medical procedure mandated outside the patient doctor relationship by a congressman. And a congressman practicing medicine without a licence no less.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Ken Margo

    There are children that go to bed hungry. NOBODY CARES.
    There are children that are homeless. NOBODY CARES.
    There are children without health care. NOBODY CARES.
    There are children that are not getting an education. NOBODY CARES.

    Maybe if we cared more about children AFTER they are born, maybe there will be less abortions!

    March 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      And maybe if we removed all of the liberals from office, the economy would improve enough to help all of those children.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • MC

        Historically, it's been the republicans that trash the economy. Things were pretty good under clinton – you know, the liberal that balanced the budget and left a surplus for Bush's phony war? (The war that killed about 5000 of our kids)

        March 13, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mindurbusiness

      it's easier to be concerned with something you will never have responsibility over in the long run.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      Really, nobody cares?

      March 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Mike in Texas

    Lots of talk about Roe V. Wade. I wonder if most people know that the real woman behind "Roe", now feels she was a pawn of the lawyers and regrets her involvement in the court case.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      We do know that and it's immeterial – opinions change but civil rights do not.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        murder is a civil right? Cool. Can't wait to meet you in a dark alley.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Duh

        Hah scott loves violence...He is against abortion just so he can beat that baby up one day....True conservative hero.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • TrueReality

      Or that most legal experts now think Roe v. Wade was a badly thought-out decision. Even lawyers who are pro-choice and agree with the result think it should have been made with better legal reasoning.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
  60. Scott - with shame...

    days like today that make me really wonder what happened to our country. i mean, really. what in the world is this law? who are these people? how can they possibly be in charge of so many others? the religious right is killing this country – KILLING IT.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • aaron

      Actually, people who murder babies are LITERALLY killing it. Given there have been 50 million abortions since 1973. 50 MILLION. Don't dare make such an absurd claim those attempting to protect life are even remotely akin to those who take it without conscience or out of convenience.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • SeilnoigileR

        Fetuses are not babies. I take it that YOU would be the one to adopt or care for the alleged 50 million children you refer to? I know for a fact that you hypocritical conservatives wouldn't want to provide any healthcare for them. If your Lucifer really existed, he'd be laughing at your attempts to speak as though you were God himself. Wasn't that what got him in trouble in the first place? Trying to think he knew better? That's you. You don't get to tell anyone else how to live their lives. You do not get to determine when life begins. What arrogance.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        People keep telling themselves fetuses are not babies. Wow. I guess if you repeat a lie to yourself long enough, often enough, it becomes true to you.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:42 pm | Report abuse |
  61. Deni

    Mike in Texas "I suppose a closed minded liberal would view it that way" .
    --------------------------------------

    What a pathetic reply. Do yourself a favor and come to terms with the fact that the very party you clearly support are two-faced pigs. The GOP says they are for smaller government but they go into our bedrooms to pass judgement and propose idiot laws however they don't stop there – now they want in our wombs! Only a ignorant narrow minded conservative would deem these actions acceptable.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      Just because we want smaller gvnt doesn't mean we're going to turn out backs on helpless children that are being slaughtered for convenience.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • ObjectiView

        Scott, what are some of the Republican's policys that are being pushed today that will help the millions of innocent children in this country who are poor, hungry, uneducated and in need of someone to guide and invest in them? The only ones I have seen would actually slash or cut the budgeting for the programs that help them the most. I would say it is very convenient for you to fight tooth and nail over an unborn child when there are plenty out there today who would love for you to fight this hard for them.

        Reality

        March 13, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Deni

        Abortions are not convenient nor is the procedure considered lightly by most women.

        March 13, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
  62. John

    I'm sure Gov. Perry and republican legislators have copies of video's delivered to their offices with boxes of tissue paper, and a pack of smokes. The US let's a hyper-minority of religious zealots to create bizarre laws in the hopes of what...most people who say they believe in God just say that, they can't believe these foolish bedtime stories, and that's what they were intended for.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
  63. clarke

    How can this be, What happened to our civil rights, personal liberties, the right to chose. This is all wrong. I went to bed last night a free women and woke up in a third world country.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      You do have a right to choose....

      – You have a right to CHOOSE to keep your filthy wh0re legs closed
      – You have a right to CHOOSE to be responsible and use protection
      – You have a right to CHOOSE to wait until marriage
      – You have a right to CHOOSE to put your child up for adoption
      – You have a right to CHOOSE to raise your own offspring
      – You have a right to CHOOSE to blow your own brains out if you can't handle a child

      March 13, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • clarke

        Were you born stupid or is it something that just happened. I am sorry for you.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • heyheyhey

        I have a right to tell you to keep your mouth shut. Hows them apples! and to tell you to keep your opinions to yourself.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • iheartyou

        You have the right to a vasectomy. Please please PLEASE exercise that right.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        Look at that. 2 liberals that can't dispute those FACTS, so they resort to childish niamecalling. Typical liberals. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!

        March 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scully

        Scott, glad to see that you actually "get it". Or are you saying that a woman only gets to choose as long as it's one of your choices? If you are, that means that you "get it" even more deeply.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        iheart, I did get a vasectomy, because I am a responsible adult. Unfortunately, liberal baby killing monsters don't have any sense of personal responsibility.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        Sully, I don't care what choice a woman makes as long as it is legal AND it doesn't hurt anyone else in the process. Unfortunately, abortion takes away a life, so it is not a valid choice.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • right?

        How on earth did you gain the "right" to be an american citizen. That in itself could be the tragedy of the century.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • iheartyou

        Well, Scott, fortunately for the rest of us you don't get to decide when a life is a life, or whether legal decisions other people make are valid or not. And just to clarify a few things....

        1. Please explain how you can not see the hypocrisy in you accusing other people of childish name-calling when you start out your post by calling women "filthy wh0res", through in a little "blow your own brains out", and then round it out with a nice little "liberal baby killing monsters"...?

        2. And no, you do NOT have the right to choose to "blow your own brains out...". Suicide is illegal in most states.

        But, hey, I am awfully glad about the vasectomy. I'll sleep better at night knowing that you won't be procreating.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • SeilnoigileR

        So you got a vasectomy and can't have kids. I guess then, since marriage is only for producing children, that you should now be divorced or have your marriage annulled. You do NOT get to choose for anyone else. You do NOT get to pretend to be god or speak on their behalf.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Courser01

        Scott, thanks so much for reminding me why I turned my back on Christianity a long time ago. I now live happily as a Pagan and have a wonderful opportunity to commune with my God and Goddess in my own way.

        Christians have turned into a rabid morass of judgmental, hate-mongers and xenophobes. Glad I'm not part of their 'communities' any more.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Cathy

    How, exactly, do you think abortions are performed?The abortionist waves a magic wand over her belly? Abortion is itself invasive, sometimes debilitating or fatal to the woman. Seriously, an ultrasound to provide her with information to help her make an informed choice is the least of her worries. If sec education is important for elementary school students to learn, why is a standard medical procedure so unacceptable as part of the abortion procedure? Let's face it, there's a whole lot of money in the abortion industry, and one woman armed with information who changes her mind takes that money away from some abortionist's BMW payment. We can't have that!

    March 13, 2012 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Graham Krueger

      The difference is CHOICE. In one case, the woman consents, in the other , it is required by law.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Cathy

        It's merely one additional step in an invasive medical procedure; the difference is that this step provides her with real information to make an INFORMED choice. Informed choices are the only real choices.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kelly

      In this instance, however, the woman agrees to the procedure. Rick Perry and the wing-nut minority coerce this act, which is a part of the definition of rape.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • Cathy

        Response above.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • SeilnoigileR

      Really? Why don't you show some FACTS about the huge amount of money that is generated by performing abortions? You can't? It's not true? Here, I thought lying was a sin for you and your ilk.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |
  65. fed up with evil republicans

    next the hyperconservative republicans will require women to wear veils and if they dont obey, douse them in gasoline and burn them. we're verging on being as bad as those around the world we love to criticize as uncivilized. oh, but wait, we're talking about texas, i forgot that.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      Well, I'm tired of you liberal drama queens that hate children.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • joenjuneau

        You sir, are a toad. That home-schooling stunted your crical thinking skills.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike in Texas

      I'm tired of closed minded liberals.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Iconoclast

    So in Texas they'll force you to have the child. Then give it a lethal injection later on.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
  67. John John

    The 38% that are against abortion will NEVER convince the 62% that are pro-choice so it is time to clean out the Texass government. Calling a fetus a child or saying that abortions is murder is like saying parking your car is like speeding.... of course some rednecks in Texass probably do both of those at the same time.
    With fully 58% pro-choice IN TEXAS, the gubbermint clods need to watch their behinds.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      Thankfully, those 58% are too busy wh0ring around and murdering their offspring to vote.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnrj08

        Oh, Scott. Thank you for that erudite and edifying comment. It brings so much credibility to your point of view. LOL.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • SeilnoigileR

        You speak as though getting an abortion were some kind of easy choice, when you don't have a clue what it's like. You think people do this as a form of birth control and then try to deny actual birth control because it will encourage people to have s3x, when if fact it would probably decrease the number of abortions. I don't see you lining up to adopt these children. What would you do if abortions were illegal and someone got one? Would you through them in prison? You conservatives never have an answer to that one.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • jheron

      They just redistict to make sure the 58% get 30% of the representation.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
  68. bear

    the procedure is rape

    abortion is murder.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • linda123

      Abortion is legal; murder is not. Thereforem abortion, by definition, is not murder.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • bestos

        So, slavery was legal, does that mean is wasn't wrong when it was legal?

        March 13, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • bear

        following your logic the songram procedure is legal, therefore it is not rape.

        have it either way.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Geoff

        Just because something is made legal does not make it right. People want to complain about laws reaching too far and government needs to stay out of it, but are ready to hold up the laws that suit them. It is murder to end a baby's life that has done nothing wrong and deserves to live.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • BobInIrvine

        Linda, I find it amusing that the vast majority of wingnuts here calling women wh0res and murderers are men. Unenlightened knuckledraggers. I mean Republicans. Same thing.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duh

      People that are pro-life also voted twice for a president that killed thousands of children in Iraq. CONGRATS MURDERERS! Texas is the worst state to live in. ALL FACTS!

      March 13, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
  69. Ladont

    Who pays for this "sonogram"? Since it isn't medically necessary, the patient should not pay. Let the state of Texas pay.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • clarke

      good question, who pays. Won't pay for bc pills ???UGH

      March 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • jheron

      They of course force the woman to pay for this unnecessary procedure. There is no way this law will hold up in a federal court.
      How are these states able to pass these laws since abortion is legal? How can you force women to have these unnecessary tests? On what grounds are they justified?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Geoff

        On the grounds of valuing human life at all ages. Even babies while they are still inside their mothers and not just when they are living outside their mothers.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • iheartyou

        Harlequinn Bell: YOU I heart big time. Best post on the board. 🙂

        March 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
  70. richard kocan

    How does the Texas "wanding" law differ from the Islamic "virginity test" carried out in Egypt?

    March 13, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
  71. chris

    So an abortion will not damage the reproductive organs....as soon as I read that I had to laugh...typical kill the fetus commentary.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jadugara

      So I guess that makes you "pro-rape"...

      March 13, 2012 at 6:55 pm | Report abuse |
  72. Steve

    Pro-lifers aren't really pro-life; they're pro-birth. Once the birth happens, they don't give two s***s about the kid.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pedro

      I think of them as "anti-choice"

      March 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      Sure, that's why Christians and Republicans everywhere fund and support adoption.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Funny, I was raised in a large Christian family and attended Christian services and went to Christian schools, and not once did I meet an adopted child.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        So your ignorance means that it doesn't exist? My friends from church just adopted an African baby because there are none in America. If women gave their children up for adoption instead of murdering them, then they could have saved about $20k it cost to adopt overseas.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • jheron

        Sure Scott...there are no kids available to adopt in the U.S. Wow...

        March 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Anomic Office Drone

        You're mistaking supporting adoption with supporting churches that say they support adoption.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • evie

        Scott, with all due respect, there are over 600 waiting children in Texas foster care at any given time. While hundreds are adopted each year, many of these children will end up aging out of care without anyone except the family who abused them or their extended family who were unwilling to help or inappropriate due to their own issues. Please educate yourself regarding issues before you decide to troll.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        People want BABIES, not teenagers that have severe behavior/emotional problems. If the millions of children that were aborted were given a chance, they would easily find loving homes without a problem.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • sharoom

        "People want BABIES, not teenagers that have severe behavior/emotional problems. If the millions of children that were aborted were given a chance, they would easily find loving homes without a problem."

        Holy s***, Scott, where do you come up with this logic? If the current adoption rates can't handle the current number of orphaned children, then how did you come to the conclusion that "if the millions of children that were aborted were given a chance, they would easily find loving homes without a problem." You know, those "teenagers with severe behavior/emotional problems" were once BABIES.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        Sharoom, are you semi-retarded, or full fledged retard? Those teenagers are problem children that were taken away from parents, runaways, products of the legal system, etc. They haven't been in orphanages since they were infants. Millions of American families wouldn't be adopting babies from China, Africa, etc. if there was an abundance of babies available in America. Do you really think that my friends would have adopted an African child if there were babies available in the States? Gimme a break. Get your head out of your azz!!!

        March 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • sharoom

        Wow, name calling? Maybe you are the retard. You said this:

        "Do you really think that my friends would have adopted an African child if there were babies available in the States?"

        Are you suggesting that there are NO babies in the states to be adopted? This is from http://www.adoptuskids dot com

        "Each year more than 20,000 children age out of the foster care without being adopted. Today there are 107,000 children in foster care waiting to be adopted ranging in age from LESS THAN A YEAR old to 21."

        I'm glad your friends at least did adopt, but please, don't speak for them. You are an a**hat.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Geoff

      So you are generalizing that all pro-life people don't care about kids. Why would you feel good about saying something so obviously false about millions of people. It just makes you appear very ignorant. I say it makes you appear ignorant but I won't call you ignorant because I don't know you, but you will say that I don't give two S**ts about kids even though you don't know me.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
  73. sidprejean

    How about this: Texas men should be required to have a colonoscopy – unsedated – prior to hetting a haircut.
    Seems fqir to me, but then I live in Pennsylvania.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • BobInIrvine

      Darn, you made me spatter coffee on my keyboard, I was laughing so hard.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
  74. PatSJ

    I'm proposing a rider to all these laws, that if the State uses these processes to dissuade a woman from having an abortion, that the State has to take over the financial and other care of the child when it is born.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
  75. ProudLiberal

    So apparently Republicans believe unwanted forcible penetration isn't rape.

    Good luck with the women's vote this fall!

    March 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike in Texas

      The Texas law does not force you to have an invasive sonogram. In it's current form, it does not specify the type of sonogram.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Ken Margo

    TexDoc, are you male or female? My guess is you're male. Considering your position that it isn't rape. Rick perry is just like all the other phony crooked christian conservatives. They want to cut programs, health care, education etc. etc. that children need to survive, but claim religion when it comes to contraception and abortion. The fact is the pro-lifer's DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE KIDS.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • PatSJ

      Well said!

      March 13, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike in Texas

      Again. Liberal propaganda. Republicans are against government redistribution of wealth. Anyone's wealth, regardless of the size.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • jheron

        That redistribution of wealth goes to paying for education Mike, so it isn't a lie is it?

        March 13, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Report abuse |
  77. Gil

    As someone who doesn't believe in abortion but who would never stand in judgment of a woman who has had one as it is not my place (unless she is a serial abortionist) I state the following: "Every pro-life Republican should be forced to apply to adopt or foster unwanted children," then and only then, can they have an opinion about it.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
  78. peter

    Didn't the Supreme Court decide that abortion is legal? Doesn't that make these Texan legislators a bunch of Anti-American apes?

    March 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike in Texas

      Nope. The new law does not say you can't have an abortion.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
  79. Annie

    I think it's about time some of these "law" makers were held accountable. Each time they want to control a woman's choice, they should bend over and butter up for the same procedure, even if it's anal. Then go home and think about it and then come back in 24 hours to make their decision.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • fidgetwidget

      Excellent idea – only require that it be done sans lube...

      March 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • mgthinking

      What about the preborn womans choice? I notice everyone who's against this had their right to life upheld...

      March 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Zachary

        "preborn" Good grief. What about prefertilized, preseminal. EVERY SPERM IS SACRED!!!

        March 13, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Iconoclast

        If you can freeze it, store it, and use it later on it's not a person!

        March 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • becks201

        Yes, unfortunately so was yours.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
  80. peter

    So it's true that legislators in Texas all have hairlines down to their caterpillar eyebrows and do a lot of grunting. Not too bright, are they?

    March 13, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Mark

    Good on you, Garry. Very well put. Forcing a woman to do this is absolutely rape, and furthermore it invades the privacy of the woman's right to decide for herself what's right for her and her family.

    Texas sounds like a truly awful place to live, what with this and how many people they execute each year.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • linda123

      Here in Texas, they execute the mentally ill, the mentally retarded and the inocent. It's only half inch embryos they believe have any rights.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
  82. Mike in Texas

    I'm tired of seeing this classified as rape. It's about the most ridiculous comparison that can be made. And, that is not the only way to take a sonogram. Besides, the law is about giving the women the opportunity to view the sonogram. Not force them to view it. According to the text of the law, the women can refuse. It is the doctor that can't refuse.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • PatSJ

      OK "Mike in Texas", unless "Mike" is short for Michelle, STFU. You have no idea what you are talking about. Pat, short for Patricia.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike in Texas

        Nice to meet you. I find discussing things with liberals to be so fascinating. Generally, they respond just like you. Violently and crudely.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnrj08

      You're from Texas. I forgive you.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • fidgetwidget

      1. Go to school and learn to read.
      2. Find the nearest law library and read the law as written.
      3. Then so some research and learn about sonograms in the first six weeks of pregnancy.

      Oh, wait, you're from Texas so all of this will be way above your skill set.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike in Texas

        And another intelligent response. Good for you.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • mommatocharlie

      no, it's not the only way to do a sonogram. But it IS the only way the Texas legislature specified to be used prior to an abortion taking place.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike in Texas

        Actually, that is incorrect.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • katahdin

      But the woman can't refuse this awful , required by law, attempt to shame and violate her. Women do not belong to you. Women are not your property. Men have no right to control women's bodies.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • fed up with evil republicans

      next the hyperconservative republicans will require women to were veils and if they dont obey, douse them in gasoline and burn them. we're verging on being as bad as those around the world we love to criticize as uncivilized. oh, but wait, we're talking about texas, i forgot that.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • evangelical

      You must be part of that Evangelical movement in this country that seems to operate just like that other hate group from the deep south..........I think they were called the klan or kkk or something to that effect.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
  83. Daveil

    More lies and liberal propaganda. Texas took the invasive procedure out and replaced it with an external ultrasound before the law was passed. And even if they hadn't, it is an approved medical procedure. I may not appreciate a docter putting 6 foot of tubing up me for a colonoscopy but I don't call it rape.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • WildSparks

      The government isn't forcing you to have colonoscopy.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        And they aren't forcing women to have abortions, either.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ed

        The government isn't forcing a woman to have an abortion, either.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • jheron

        And this procedure is not necessary in order to have an abortion Scott and Ed.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Zachary

      The colonoscopy isn't mandated for an unrelated medical condition, nor are you required to hang out for a day afterward for the initial procedure. You an bet if I have acid reflux and they require a prostate exam before handing me TUMS I will not be pleased.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Courser01

        Zachary, I like the way you think!

        March 13, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnrj08

      Amputations are "approved medical procedures", too. If an individual's doctor doesn't prescribe a procedure, then it is being forced on the person by the state. That is a form of totalitarianism.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • John John

      It is not liberal propaganda that the MALE GOP misogynist religious extremists are running Texass. Forcing any woman to endure additional procedures of ANY kind when they have to do something like abortion is proof that the Taliban are alive and well and living in Texass.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Whatsinaname

    Texas has now surpassed Mississippi as the most red-neck, bass akward, dumnnuts, wingnut state in the union. Can we eject a state, sort of like secession for cause? 'Cause they are an embarrassment to decent folk.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • mgthinking

      "Decent folk" murder preborn babies?

      March 13, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        "Decent folk" don't prevent others from acquiring legally protected medical procedures.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • jheron

        its only your opinion mg, that this is murder. The United States does not think so.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        "Decent folk" murder preborn babies"? ~ mgthinking

        Only the ones we think will grow up to be Republicans...

        March 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      Yeah, we should all be like the liberal states of CA and NY that have the worst economies, the most bankrupt governments, the highest numbers of foreclosures, and the most people living off of welfare.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott - with shame...

        no, the states with those statistics would be florida, new mexico, mississippi, alabama...

        March 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • becks201

        So how is it that the South has the majority of states living under the poverty line? Way to go.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        You should check the facts. 13 of the top 15 welfare states are liberal states.

        http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/top-15-welfare-states-13-of-the-15-are-democrat-states/

        March 13, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        becks, that's because Southerners aren't materialistic idiots that need fancy toys to be happy. Southerners are happy with their simple lives, good food, good friends, and their church.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
  85. TinMT

    Pearl, I'm assuming you mean an unborn female. That is not a woman, is not conscious, and is not self aware. Therefore is not 'awaiting her own birthday'. Assuming that you or someone you love has a teenage daughter, let's hear your support for State sponsored rape of that young girl after she has been raped by someone.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Report abuse |
  86. friendOFfoe

    Trudeau has it right – this is a brutal assault by a group of old, fat, white males against women of all stripes. Might as well be 2013 BC the way these conservative neanderthals are trying to set us all back. Only a woman should have the right to make any decisions about her body, unless she CONSENTS with a partner or partners. It is none of the governments business!

    March 13, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      If we eliminated any and all obstacles to getting an abortion, the irresponsible people would not be able to reproduce, and therefore would start to lower the number of abortions in future generations.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Report abuse |
  87. Jerry in Colorado Springs

    Perhaps the women in TX might consider becoming more politically active & vote out the rapists?

    March 13, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • fidgetwidget

      They can't. The men won't let them because they are barefoot and pregnant.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike in Texas

        You know. That's just an irresponsible comment.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
  88. Bbaker

    Playing percentages though, how many of these cases are through rape or incest. Most are from people acting irresponsibly, and then choosing to kill a baby instead of raising it or placing it with any of the tens of thousands of American couples jumping through multiple hoops to adopt.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      Baby != fetus

      March 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
  89. Laurie

    How strange that this should be interpreted as rape and abortion NOT interpreted as murder. Minds have never been so dark.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • angie

      Perfect.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • USAynot

      Laurie, A 3 month old fetus is not a person. Not under our laws or our traditions. If human life started at conception then we wouldn't celebrate birthdays now would we? We'd celebrate conception days.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Gary from NJ

        Your logic is wanting (and badly at that). A birthday celebrates a "birth". It does not, nor has it ever, been intended to acknolwedge the moment that one comes into existence; that point in time is conception. Period.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jadugara

        Sorry, Gary,....the processes of a living organism start at conception, but it's not a "person" by any legal standpoint, and shouldn't be treated like one... during the first three months of pregnancy, the developing fetus pcould even survive outside the womb regardless of what a hospital could do to aid it... For the beginning trimester, it's essentially just an extension of the mother's body, and is entirely hers to do with what she sees fit...

        March 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      This is not about interpretation, it's about application of the law. Abortion is a legal and protected medical procedure, while rape – and this fits the definition of rape – is illegal. Regardless of your feelings on abortion, it is a legal procedure and this bill WILL be struck down in court.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • memyself

      Both rape and murder are crimes against *persons*. There is no doubt that a person is being raped here. There is doubt whether a person is being murdered. Some religions view abortion as the murder of a person, but this is not a universally accepted ethical standard, There are historical, cultural, and religious disagreements about whether a fetus is a person.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
  90. Emmitt Langley

    no...the government taking the tax dollars of working citizens and handing them to teachers unions who then funnel much of it back to their political campaigns is rape...asking a woman to submit to an exam that is no more invasive than a pap is not rape...seriously?

    March 13, 2012 at 6:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • USAynot

      You need a dictionary.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike in Texas

        So does Trudeau

        March 13, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • TinMT

      Women are not being asked to participate in an exam by this law, they are being forced to submit to an invasive procedure.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • mariner v

        These people profess to defend prolife stances on the basis of morality provided by the Bible and then use every devious device known to man to misrepresent the facts. The leaders of the religious right are no different than the dictators of the past. The only difference is that they use religion to advance their objectives. Then then scream they are being persecuted for their religious view. Let us be clear, they are being singled out because they are frauds and using the tactics of low lifes.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • mariner v

      It must be tough going through life on all fours. You are an idiot to suggest that the procedure is no more invasive than a pap smear. How about we subject you to woman are about to be subjected and you tell me how you feel at the end of the procedure. I am a man and I find comments from people like you offensive. You represent the neanderthal mentality of our gender. I happen to respect woman, clearly you don't. I'm sure most woman would find you to be on the same level as a primate, maybe its time for you to go back to the jungle because you have nothing of value to contribute here, you moron!

      March 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • mephi

      last time I checked the speculum used in a PAP smear was not 10" long.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • mariner v

        You miss the point. How would like someone to insist that your mother go through this procedure? Now if you say no problem, all I can say to you is that, you are a complete loser. Go into the bathroom, stick your head in the toilet, just to get a sense of how far down the food chain you have descended.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mindurbusiness

        Yeah but that brush they use to scrape and the swab they use are.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve L

      Teacher's Unions!? Really? As an old white guy, I don't think abortion is a good choice, but it is not always the worst choice and at any rate, it is never my choice to make. As an old teacher – I provide a service for which I am paid. I think it is a fair deal. Education is important. Are you making a claim on my paycheck? It is still somehow your money or is it my earned income? Are you suggesting you have some say over how I spend my earned income? It all comes back to control. We all want as much as we can get. Well, some of us do. Others of us are willing to grant folks a little space to live their lives.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Courser01

      Seriously? You're taking this opportunity to spew your religiously-based venom against teachers now? How is this relevant? You're an idiot.

      March 13, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
  91. Mike

    I like the way the author talks about the poor women. All those victims of rape and incest, and those whose lives are in danger. I don't believe I have the right to judge any women's actions based on my sense of morality, but these progressives always talk about the extremely small fraction of a percent that use abortions for these traumas as the rule instead of the exception. We all know the vast majority use abortion as birth control, don't keep trying to make it look like a women's health issue to make your conscience feel better.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • YBP

      Mike, you'll have to wait until after you have completed your gender reassignment surgery to have an opinion on this. And we'll all call you Michelle.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • katahdin

      Don't the anti-choicers and woman-subjugators talk about late-terms abortions as if they the were the majority of abortions? The terrorist anti-choice movement has long used these tactics to intimidate and demonize those health care providers who dare to help women achieve freedom from male control

      March 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • patrick

      If only ONE (1) woman is raped, becomes pregnant, and is then forced to be victimized again by this law, THAT IS ONE (1) TO MANY!!!

      March 13, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Report abuse |
  92. Anthony Zarat

    "Women used to proudly herald, “We’ve come a long way, baby.” But now it looks like we’ve hit a brick wall and men are starting to take back some of the mileage we fought so hard to gain."

    Feminist hate mongering.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Emmitt Langley

      murdering is no one's "right." Men don't have that "right," neither should you.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Steve

        Regardless of your feelings on abortion, it is a legally protected procedure and to coerce people away from it is a violation of civil rights.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jadugara

      Yeah,...sure it is d.u.m.b.a.s.s.... I'll tell you what, how about the next time you want to have some operation done, I get to force you to get a 10" pipe shoved up your a.s.s. Then you can tell me how you're perfectly happy with that...

      March 13, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
  93. LiberlHawk

    I thought Republicans didn't want government getting involved in private medical decisions.

    Isn't this a government takeover of health care? The TX legislature is a rape panel.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike in Texas

      I suppose a closed minded liberal would view it that way.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • james pfeiffer

        You know something Mike in Texas...you seem very very dumb!

        March 13, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jadugara

        I'll tell you what mike, how about the next time you want to have some operation done, I get to force you to get a 10" pipe shoved up your a.s.s. Then you can tell me how you're perfectly happy with that...

        March 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • YBP

      Oh, Mike. Put a cork in it.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike in Texas

        So. No-one can have an opinion but you?

        March 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jadugara

        Hey Mike,...I'm a guy, and yet even I feel that you need to grow a v.a.g.i.n.a before your opinion about this has any merit whatsoever...

        March 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • katahdin

      Those freedom-hating good ole boys won't be happy until every woman is back in the kitchen rustling up dinner for her lord and master.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
  94. Barry O'Bummer

    Invasive= sonogram probe?
    Not invasive= Meat grinder mated with an Electrolux?

    Since when is abortion taken lightly? Should a woman not have as much information as possible? Do they have the right to choose NOT to have an abortion as well?

    March 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • PaytonPlayer

      If it's non invasive, then why don't you get one and prove just how non-invasive it is.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • mommatocharlie

        sorry PP but it's as invasive as it gets.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • cheri

        no more invasive than a pap smear

        March 13, 2012 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • cheri

        or a prostrate exam for you guys. or a colonoscopy; or a routine pregnancy exam... or for those of you who insist abortion is ok, how is this any LESS invasive than an abortion? Seriously? Think about it - not only is an abortion performed by the doctor invasive to the woman, but what word do you use for what it does to the baby? Invasive doesn't even begin to cover that one.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jadugara

      A woman wanting an abortion should have the OPTION to have that information, yes, but NOT have the government TELL her she's FORCED to have it,...no...

      I'll tell you what, how about the next time you want to have some operation done, I get to force you to get a 10" pipe shoved up your a.s.s. Then you can tell me how you're perfectly happy with that...

      March 13, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Cindy Chisholm

    Good for him.... America is all about free speech.....right???

    March 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
  96. Really?

    Is there a story here? I think not.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
  97. angry american

    The Texas Taliban are in charge. They let Gov Goodhair get away with massive corruption so that they can move us back to the 1700's socially. This isnt the America I protected in the army.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
  98. TexDoc

    Rape is the most henious crime someone can commit. It's victim is profoundly changed for life through the application of terror. There is NO equivalent. When women, and especially men, compare anything to rape, or make light of it, they are hurting again the victims of that crime. What is being requested by doctors in Texas is not a crime. It's not an assault. Every woman can choose not to under go the procedure. Understanding what an abortion is and isn't is part of a fair understanding of consent. Although I don't like the law, it's not a rape.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • WildSparks

      Yes, it most certainly is rape. To claim otherwise is just willful ignorance on your part.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • LiberlHawk

      You don't get to decide what is and isn't a rape. And you don't get to control women's health and reproductive systems, either.

      I'm pretty sure if someone forced you to have an ultrasound wand shoved up your rectum, you would have some choice words to say on the subject.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike in Texas

        Okay, then you or Trudeau should get to decide either, right?

        March 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • pmmarion

        No Mike, the woman does, you sleazoid.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • friendOFfoe

      you don't get to decide what goes into my body! shame on you for thinking you can redefine rape to fit your pearly white ideals. it IS forced penetration because the government has mandated it. there is no choice, no consent. and what right does any male have telling a woman what to do with her body?!

      SHAME ON YOU!

      March 13, 2012 at 6:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Excuse Me?

      MURDER is the most henious crime someone can commit. Rape takes many forms both violent and non. An example of non-violent rape is forced consent due to some threat. Some threat like: submit having a 10inch object forced up your body cavity or you will be forced to bear a child conceived thru incest or rape. The shaming wand IS the required method of this TX law which you have conceeded is not nessesary. Except to violate and shame. RAPE.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • fidgetwidget

      It is nothing less than rape.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mike in Texas

        Actually, if you people would go read the current law, it does not require an 'invasive' sonogram.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Excuse Me?

        Really Mike? Why don't you post that for us? How about a link?

        March 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • RC Roeder

      I find the act of what the Texas law enforces is rape. Until the Supreme Court of the United States over rules it's decision, abortion is legal in the USA. Many people may not like it, but a law is the law. Shame on Texas, shame of Perry. I am glad he is no longer running for president.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • mommatocharlie

      Baloney!

      March 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnrj08

      Forcing a woman to take a pregnancy to full-term which was the result of a rape or incest will also profoundly change her life. Forcing her to undergo a totally unnecessary medical procedure to satisfy a purely political objective is totalitarian. In November, the GOP is going to be lucky to get 10% of women votes. Can't tell you how happy it makes me that the Republican Party is committing this act of utter stupidity of its own volition. It's like Thanksgiving everyday.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
  99. pmmarion

    Shame on the State of Texas.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike in Texas

      Feel free to stay away.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnrj08

        Hundreds of millions do everyday.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • YBP

        Get back in the closet, Mike. And take your bible with you.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • Trailer park in TX

        You know, I suspect most Texans can't just pick up and move their home like you Mike: they aren't on wheels.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Strategic Bob

        what I once saw written on a bathroom stall's divider wall pretty much summed it up.

        Here I sit
        Cheeks a flexin'
        Giving birth
        to another Texan

        March 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      Shame on you for shaming an entire state! I live in Texas and am absolutely against this abortion law – and I am one of MANY who feel the same way. Don't be as narrow minded and clueless as some of the lawmakers in my state are.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        I'm from Texas too and I am outraged that a bunch of MEN, we don't know has decided this for women in this state. I don't remember voting for this? Amazing....strangers get to decide for us because they still think we can't think for ourselves.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
  100. Pearl Nathanson

    What nonsense. What about the rights of those women in America who await their own birthday?

    March 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Me

      Roe V. Wade, this is a privacy issue as decided by the Supreme Court. I agree with Trudeau. This is government authorized rape.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sky

        Good post Me. I agree and this law needs to be challenged in court, as well as any other similar new law, that violates the Supreme court's decision in Roe vs. Wade. Women have the right to an abortion and no law can impede that right.
        Roe vs. Wade stemmed from a law suit originating in Texas.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnrj08

        Unfortunately, I think what is really happening here is that all of these essentially anti-abortion bills that are being passed in various states are actually designed to draw the federal government into a legal challenge that could end up re-litigating Roe vs Wade in this Supreme Court. Based on its rulings over the last few years, it is not a foregone conclusion that Roe vs Wade would be upheld by this Court. The Obama administration has to be very careful about how it deals with this tactic.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Iconoclast

      If you can freeze it and use it later, it's not a person!

      March 13, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnrj08

        I think this is an excellent standard. A "person" cannot be frozen solid, then thawed out and reanimated. This is one reason why these so-called "personhood" amendments being proposed in various states are so absurd. A zygote is not a person. Life is 100% experiential. If you are incapable of experiencing anything, you are essentially un-alive. This is why it is legal to pull the plug on or discontinue feeding people who are in a PVS or Permanent Vegetative State. A first trimester fetus has not yet developed the parts of the brain which enable any kind of experience OR the ability to remember experiences. I am convinced that this entire issue has been drummed up by Republicans who care nothing about protecting the unborn, but are more interested in manufacturing a political cudgel with which they can bash pro-choice Democrats.

        March 13, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nil11

        Correct. But by the time a woman can get an abortion, it does resemble a person. I know, I've considered abortion for myself, but luckily didn't chose it.

        March 13, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jonathan

        Lookup "Therapeutic Hypothermia". Living, breathing, adult humans are "frozen" (induced into a state of hypothermia) as part of treatment of conditions such as cardiac arrest. Or those that have gone underwater in freezing water. There are accounts of people being underwater for up to an hour who have been revived, in part because of the cold temperature.

        For every criteria you use to define or deny "personhood", someone else will come along with an opposing example.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • SeilnoigileR

      'Await their own birthday'? They don't even have fully formed brains and still have a tail. If you consider conception to be the beginning of life, then are we all one year older? Why do we consider the date of the actual birth your birthday and no your 'conception' day?

      March 13, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
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