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Opinion: 'Doonesbury' strip says Texas' abortion law is rape - I agree
"Doonesbury" is currently focusing on Texas' abortion law. You can view the strip at GoComics.com/doonesbury.
March 15th, 2012
07:41 PM ET

Opinion: 'Doonesbury' strip says Texas' abortion law is rape - I agree

Editor's note: Carole Simpson is the leader-in-residence at Emerson College’s School of Communication in Boston, where she teaches journalism and communications classes. She is the first woman or minority to be the sole moderator of a presidential debate, and chronicled her 40 years as a broadcast journalist in her memoir, "Newslady."

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By Carole Simpson, Special to CNN

(CNN) - Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist Garry Trudeau has done it again.  For more than 40 years his comic strip, “Doonesbury” has been criticized for poking fun at presidents, other political figures and government decisions. But his strip is being yanked from some newspapers this week because, for the second time in his career, he has created a storyline that takes on abortion, God forbid.

What prompted Trudeau to invite the wrath of conservative pro-lifers everywhere is the new Texas law, which demeans, demoralizes, and may even damage the reproductive organs of women who dare to seek an abortion.  Passed by the Republican-controlled Texas legislature and signed by Gov. Rick Perry, the law forces a woman who wants an abortion to receive information about her fetus that only can be obtained by a vaginal ultrasound.

During the procedure a doctor inserts a 10-inch sonogram wand into the vagina of a pregnant woman. Then the doctor must show her the image of her fetus and make her listen to the heartbeat.  Then the woman goes home to spend 24 hours considering her decision to abort.  Texas lawmakers wanted to make the procedure so invasive, so painful, and so emotionally devastating that the woman would change her mind.  They hope the woman bears the baby, which may have been conceived through rape or incest, or even if the birth may endanger her life.  It’s a prescription for child abuse, child neglect, or child abandonment.

For this week’s “Doonesbury,” Trudeau created a story damning the Texas legislature.  It begins with a Texas woman going to a clinic seeking an abortion.  The nurse tells her:  “The male Republicans who run Texas require that all abortion seekers be examined with a 10” shaming wand.”  WOW.

Another strip shows a doctor about to perform the procedure, and the bubble of words coming from his mouth says, “By the authority invested in me by the GOP base, I thee rape.” BAM. Trudeau pulls no punches.

Trudeau told The Washington Post that the procedure, in itself, is a form of rape: “The World Health Organization defines rape as ‘physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration— even if slight– of the vulva or anus, using a penis, other body parts, or an object,’” said Trudeau. “You tell me the difference.”

The cartoonist has picked sides on what’s being called the “war on women.” He thinks women are getting a raw deal.  But that’s of little comfort.  Eight states now require ultrasounds before a woman can get an abortion and two others are fighting legal challenges to implement the procedure.  None of the other states, however, have laws that require the invasive ultrasounds Texas mandates.

Women of the Lone Star state should look into the possible infringement of their rights guaranteed by the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution prohibiting “cruel and unusual punishments.”  That would appear on its face to include vaginal ultrasound procedures inflicted on women by a state government.

Women used to proudly herald, “We’ve come a long way, baby.”  But now it looks like we’ve hit a brick wall and men are starting to take back some of the mileage we fought so hard to gain.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Carole Simpson.

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  1. Leroy

    The pro-lifers never talk about who will take care of these children if the parent walks away. They never talk about he increase in costs when back alley abortions are done. Whether you agree with abortions or not we must look at the big picture. Give birth no matter what is not a viable answer. We must get old white men that don't have a life out of our bedrooms and let each woman decide what is best for her body and if she is willing to die to bring a new life into the world.

    March 15, 2012 at 5:51 pm | Report abuse |
  2. justsayin'

    So stopping abortions will make the world right... Trying to take control over another's life with not vested interest other than 'feeling' what that person is doing is wrong. You make your point and walk away. Every person that wants to abolish abortion should automatically go on a list to adopt a child. What makes you think that just by forcing a woman to carry a child to term will make for a good family environment? You should be there AFTER the child is born and until it turns 18 and becomes an 'adult'. There are many reasons for a woman to have an abortion and those should be between her, her doctor and what ever, if any, higher power she believes in.

    March 15, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Kelly

    Let's keep abortion safe, rare and legal. Get the politicians out of contraceptives so there is less abortion too. Women do not look forward to the procedure and most abortions are in the first trimester .91.5% of all abortions are done within 13 weeks, according to the CDC government agency. I would say majority of women are handling their health pretty well. 62% of women are getting it done before 8 weeks.

    March 15, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • RevMum

      Very well said.

      March 18, 2012 at 3:44 am | Report abuse |
  4. WOW

    Which came first... the chicken or the egg? This is as ridiculous as fighting over someething like abortion. There is no way to win this argument. You need to live your life and keep yourself in the manner that is right in your own heart. Because your higher power isn't looking for you to MAKE people believe what you believe (think about how vain that is), your higher power wants you to live in a way that makes people believe in a higher power, and have hope!

    March 15, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
  5. shell

    I do not see why it should be such an issue, I personally know someone who has had an abortion and regrets it now and I have known someone who had one and has no regrets what so ever, as someone else pointed out it isn't as if the woman isn't going to have to have something inserted into her for the procedure first of all, secondly being a woman and having had this type of ultra sound while pregnant, I know that it isn't painful and infact I would prefer it to a pap test which actually does hurt, and thirdly can someone tell me why there should be a need for such an invasve procedure as abortion to be used when we now have the morning after pill? I mean seriously what woman who has been raped is going to wait months and then say oh wait I don't want to have this SOB's child, and seriously we complain as women that we want to be treated as equals to men, but unfortunatly physically we never will be and that is the cold hard truth so suck it up use your birth control of choice and be assertive like any man would be and say "NO GLOVE NO LOVE" I can't count how many times I have heard girls or women say the guy didn't want to use a condom, so what then then stand your ground and say no other wise buck up and own the consequences. Honestly sometimes I am embarassed by the fact I am a women cause there are too many of us out there that just don't use the commonsence we were given, it's no wonder men don't respect us as their equals.

    March 15, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Robert

    Let's call Pro-Choice what it really is, Pro-Murder. No matter which side you are on, bottom line is that abortion is the culling of innocent unborn children, being made to pay for the mistakes or transgressions of their parents, with their LIFE. Don't sugar coat what abortion really is!

    March 15, 2012 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Kristen

      Pro Choice is not murder, it is saying you understand each woman has the right to choose how she handles her own body, health, and life. She may NOT choose to get an abortion.. had you thought of that??

      March 15, 2012 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • Robert

        Giving someone a choice to end a life to me means murder to me. I believe in everyone's choice to decide for their own bodies and own life, but when it comes to making the choice to end an innocent child's life, I don't believe anyone has that right. I believe the baby also ha a right to live, who do people think they are to take away someones right to live?

        March 15, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Pro-Choice is not Pro-Murder. To murder means the taking of a life. Life does not exist until the baby leaves the birthing canal.

      March 15, 2012 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Robert

        Not life until the baby leaves the birthing canal? Are you serious? You do know the heart starts beating at 20 days right?

        March 15, 2012 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      Pro-choice is not pro-murder. At some point, a small clump of cells turns into a breathing, sentient baby. Obviously terminating the former is not "murder."

      March 15, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • Robert

        Funny how we are all willing to accept that if a single cell is found "living" on another planet it is considered "finding life on another planet", but when it comes to a human being growing inside the womb we dismiss it as a clump lol. That is just poor, unintelligent rationalization of something we ALL know is WRONG.

        March 15, 2012 at 10:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • JT Sawyer

      Robert,

      At what point do we consider what the woman wants? The basic tenet of the pro life argument is the rights of the unborn fetus, which essentially reduces the woman to nothing more than a handy container for a uterus. A woman is not simply a womb with a view and ANY decision regarding what happens with HER body is HER'S and HER'S alone. There is only one thing in this life we truly own, or should own, and that's ourselves. It's arrogant presumption to assume otherwise.

      March 15, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Robert

        I agree she has the right to make a decision about HER body and HER life. I don't think she has the right to decide whether an unborn child gets to LIVE or DIE. Sugar coat it all you want, it's murder when YOU decide to END someone else's LIFE.

        March 15, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Squee

      Robert, seeing as how you probably don't have a uterus in the first place, I can't really see how you get to make the call.
      Pro Choice means respecting women as adults who know how to make health care decisions.
      Whether or not you agree with them. Abortion is legal in this country. That's should be the end of the story. If you don't think abortions should happen, you should support education programs, birth control accessibility and strong social programs to help people take care of kids they didn't plan for.
      Otherwise, please keep it to yourself.

      March 18, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Robert

        You are stuffing a lot into my words that I never said. First, I never said I should make the call, I simply said what I think abortion really is, without all the sugar coating and the neat little package people put it in to make it an easier pill for them to swallow. Second, just because something is legal does not make it right. There have been many laws in US history that were wrong, and at some point were changed. I won't bother giving examples since I am sure you are smart enough to do the research yourself. Third, I don't need a uterus to know what murder is. Life begins at conception, and there is a heartbeat at 20 days. I have some advice for you, next time you respond to a post I have written, I urge to to actually read and understand it before you state your opinion!

        March 18, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • jarvis.lorry

        Here's an interesting hypothetical: What if the men who are against abortion could be outfitted with wombs and have fetuses from mothers who don't want them medically transferred into the men's wombs? Then it would be up to the guys to carry the babies to term. Seems like a perfectly justifiable solution to me. Oh, and then they could take care of the babies after they are born and raise them to adulthood. Just a thought.

        March 18, 2012 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Robert

        I am against the murder of an innocent, defenseless human life. By your logic you are saying that I should be for murder, and if I am not for it then it is solely my responsibility to care for the babies that were not murdered. That is just poor logic and doesn't solve the problems associated with abortion.

        March 18, 2012 at 10:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • jarvis.lorry

        What I am saying is that if you require a woman to carry a baby to term against her will, then you should bear full responsibility for its care and development until adulthood. The woman should not have this responsibility.

        March 18, 2012 at 11:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • jarvis.lorry

        Before abortion was legal, many unwanted babies were born into poverty and degradation. Desperate poor women would have abortions in an alley with a coat hanger, and die in the process. Wealthy women would fly to other countries where it was legal and get safe abortions. Do you want a return to these unfair and abhorrent conditions?

        March 18, 2012 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Robert

        No, I'd like to see the government stop spending billions of taxpayer money on things that don't help Americans, and put that money where it is needed, like help for the homeless, and programs for the caring of unwanted children. you can sugarcoat it all you like to justify and rationalize the murder of an innocent and defenseless life, but it is what it is, murder. Ted Turner feels we should cull 90% of the human population to make it easier for the remaining 10% to live. How would you like someone else telling you that you no longer have the right to live and are going to be exterminated?

        March 18, 2012 at 11:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • jarvis.lorry

        This ideal will never happen with the Christian Right/GOP in charge. You can count on billions, trillions, that will be spent on so-called defense, with a pittance spent on birth control for the poor. With proper birth control methods abortion would not be much of an issue, but you have people like Rush Limbaugh ridiculing mandated birth control assistance in health insurance coverage. I remember him saying after 9/11 how we needed to go into Iraq to find all those weapons of mass destruction. We wasted a trillion dollars on a completely unnecessary war.

        March 19, 2012 at 12:17 am | Report abuse |
      • Robert

        I totally agree with you on that point, the GOP and their so called Christian candidates are a bunch of self serving blow-hards as far as I am concerned. They label themselves Christians to get votes, but in no way are they Christian. The Democrats aren't much better off, I have heard many times that Obama is the best republican president since Abraham Lincoln. Too often important issues are linked with certain political parties. It is wrong to assume that becasue I believe in defending the innocent that I must also be for the GOP. I am not now, nor have I ever been, and nor will I ever be, a republican.

        March 19, 2012 at 12:34 am | Report abuse |
      • jarvis.lorry

        I don't think the Christian Right/GOP really want people to have contraceptives. It's more to their political advantage to have as many women as possible requesting abortions. Then they can keep stirring the pot and keep raising the abortion issue to get votes from people like you who hate killing the innocent.

        March 19, 2012 at 12:43 am | Report abuse |
      • Robert

        I don't vote GOP lol. Never have, never will. I said that previously, but just like most people who are like you who are closed minded and living inside a box, you are unable to see that. You only see what you want to see, then you sugar coat what you see and wrap it up in a neat little package that makes that pill easier for you to swallow. Try opening your eyes and actually reading next time. Try taking a good look at what you are talking about so you can make an informed and intelligent statement about it.

        March 19, 2012 at 12:50 am | Report abuse |
  7. Eyes are open

    Blackman, you wrote a wonderful self-portrait. Its people like you that bring hate to the forefront. Also I see you judge and spit vile aspersions to your fellow man like God wants you to. What a freeking hypocrite. Me I personally have felt the hurt, anger, shame of a rape. And for you to sit on your throne and think that I can love the child like Santorum said “It’s a gift from GOD”. And then get raped a second time by my government. You are the sickest, darkest, inhumane, and a perfect poster child of what’s wrong with people like you, and maybe even you are the anti-Christ himself.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:18 am | Report abuse |
    • cronewinter

      Not the antichrist..that is a fictional person, just another evil minded republican who hates women and wants to control every aspect of their lives. May he come back in the next incarnation as the unwilling wife of a guy just like himself.

      March 15, 2012 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Oakspar

    The author of this article clearly has not thought through this issue very well, or else she would not cheapen the horror of rape with compairison to in utero ultrasound.

    (1) It cannot be said that this is immoral because of any risk to the mother as the ultrasound is FAR less likely to endanger her reporductive systems than the abortion, which usually consist of THAT SAME ULTRASOUND WAND and the extraction system ("the vaccuum" that everyone talks about).

    (2) It cannot be said that this forced upon her. The docter is not tying her down. The mother is consenting to the procedure. She has other options, such as not seeking an abortion or recieving abortion services in another state. Yes, that might be an inconvienence and an expense – but cost is not a moral part of the argument. Governments "sin tax" booze, cigs, gas, and in some states even corn derived sugars – and if Texas decides to sin tax abortion in that way, there is nothing immoral about that.

    (3) Rape and life of the mother are straw (wo)men arguments. The vast majority of abortions are of convienience (mom does not want a baby for whatever reason). The second largest group, well behind the first, are euthanistic abortions (Downs kids being the primary recipients due to prenatal screening – often with an ultrasound wand!)

    March 15, 2012 at 8:08 am | Report abuse |
    • skullbinder

      You are obviously a man, and out of your mind.

      March 15, 2012 at 8:19 am | Report abuse |
    • JHL

      If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a Sacrament. And the Oakspars of the world would be lobbying for paid time off for recovery.

      March 15, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
  9. TIggerFL

    I think we should take this further. Life should be protected before conception. Any boy caught masturbating shall be publically flogged. If the parents don't turn them in to authorities they will be flogged also. Teams of law enforcement officials (I'm thinking the TSA here) will go from house to house and check sheets and underwear. Please support my election campaign for the governor of Texas.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:00 am | Report abuse |
    • cronewinter

      On a platform like that you could rule the Dakotas, Louisiana, Texas and the rest of the ignorant states. You'd win by a landslide.

      March 15, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Sweet cheeks Peg

    And just who will profit from this ... the Doctors ... Who will pay for the unfortunate without insurance .. Taxpayers !!and Republican Congress wants to reduce medicare spending what a laugh how about taking the right road and let the woman (husband if there) make that decision I am against abortion But for the rights of the indiviual This is supposed to be a free country .. But what freedoms do we really have when we have to live by so many rules that do not represent the whole of the people but just a few

    March 15, 2012 at 7:07 am | Report abuse |
  11. EuroTrashhh

    Do they really think forcing women to bear unwanted children will strengthen the foundations of strong families in america? I see a generation of unwanted children and disconnected parents who feel they were raped by their own elected government! Crazy

    March 15, 2012 at 6:45 am | Report abuse |
    • t.g.

      I can see you would fit in with the nazis real nice. Heil Hitler! Purge the world of all the unwanted losers.

      March 15, 2012 at 9:46 am | Report abuse |
      • JHL

        Don't worry t.g., it won't be retroactive; so you're safe. For Now, but don't leave the jurisdiction.

        March 15, 2012 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
  12. AusieSceptic1

    observe the genius and courage of Doonesbury

    March 15, 2012 at 2:16 am | Report abuse |
  13. Gonzo

    No one is capable of more hate than the religious.

    March 15, 2012 at 2:08 am | Report abuse |
  14. Blackman

    @Gonzo you write like that of someone with a low IQ and uneducated. Your mother may have been on drugs and you were born a drug addicted baby, there was no father in the house to properly guide you. More than likely you and your family are probably from a trailerpark community. Your mother more than likely is a highschool dropout and the apple doesnt fall far from the tree. You probably were an unwanted child and your mother did everything to abort you, well let me take that back she didnt know she was pregnant. I guess if you are shooting heroin into collasped veins you probably dont notice too much. She went to the toilet and she took a dump, but only if she knew that dump was you Gonzo, because she was in such a drug induced state of mind she forgot to flush the toilet. And there you came crawling out the toilet from amongst your siblings called S H Y T.

    March 15, 2012 at 1:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Gonzo

      Instead of hurling childish insults, why not answer the question and demonstrate your reasoning?

      March 15, 2012 at 2:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Gonzo

      Everybody, watch out! We got a badazz over here.

      March 15, 2012 at 2:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Fbks68

      find it interesting your rant does sound like you are a white,male,middle to late aged, establishment, religious, GOP party member, bigot. Do not argue facts, rather obscure the discussion with name calling, derogatory phraseology, and mean spirited words. I think you religious bigots are outright neanderthalic in thinking.

      March 15, 2012 at 6:08 am | Report abuse |
    • cronewinter

      Gee Blackman, you proved Gonzo right.

      March 15, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • JHL

      @Blackman, at least let us know what state you're from so that we can avoid it. And please don't tell us you're licensed to carry a gun.

      March 15, 2012 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Gonzo

    If you were on a sinking ship, and you only had time to save either: A: A tray of 1,000 viable human fetuses awaiting implant, or B: A single newborn child, which would you take to the lifeboat with you?
    End of discussion.

    March 15, 2012 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Blackman

      are you sure you were not aborted and your brain not sucked out that was the most idiotic statement I have read on a comment section. Are you still in jr high?

      March 15, 2012 at 1:41 am | Report abuse |
      • Gonzo

        Instead of hurling childish insults, why not answer the question and explain your reasoning?

        March 15, 2012 at 1:58 am | Report abuse |
    • MandoZink

      EXCELLENT question you posed there Gonzo! I can see you immediately sent one unfortunate person right over the edge.

      (The correct Texas GOP answer is this – "Save the fetuses and pray for the baby as it drowns". That will save everybody.)

      March 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Gonzo

    Sweet Jesus on a kebob, it's the 21st century and we still have these religious cultists forcing their medieval barbarity on the educated? Theist clowns, you do what you do, but please keep it to yourselves.

    March 15, 2012 at 12:36 am | Report abuse |
    • B652

      You are absolutely correct; it is the 21st century. So why, in our modern, enlightened age, is it ok to kill an unborn infant? This seems like the sort of thing we cringe at when we hear about how some ancient society sacrificed children to their gods. How stupid of them! We are way more advanced than that simple, backwards society. Yet here we are, arguing over whether or not an innocent person has the right to live and if they should be sacrificed on the altar of personal freedom.

      And despite your comments to the contrary, a fetus is simply a name applied to an early stage in a human’s development. Like infant, toddler, or adolescent. And while they are in a woman, the fetus has a completely different genetic makeup than the mother (or father). Human biology 101. It may just be a collection of cells, but it is a collection of cells genetically different than the mother. You (and and all of us) are just a collection of cells different from our mothers.

      March 15, 2012 at 1:39 am | Report abuse |
      • Gonzo

        "Unborn infant" is an oxymoron. It's an unborn fetus, until it is born. A fetus is no more a human than a cancerous tumor. In this modern age, we should be wise and educated enough to discern the difference.

        March 15, 2012 at 2:11 am | Report abuse |
      • Our Choice

        If I decide to have an abortion, you are more than welcome to keep the microscopic tissue that was removed and save it from the educated, realistic, informed people like myself and watch it "grow." The fact is, whether or not a clump of tissue develops into a human being at the early stage of pregnancy IN MY BODY is completely MY choice and MY BUSINESS.

        March 15, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Blackman

      you write like that of someone with a low IQ and uneducated. Your mother may have been on drugs and you were born a drug addicted baby, there was no father in the house to properly guide you. More than likely you and your family are probably from a trailerpark community. Your mother more than likely is a highschool dropout and the apples doesnt fall far from the tree. You probably were an unwanted child and your mother did everything to abort you, well let me take that back she didnt know she was pregnant. I guess if you shooting heroin into collaspe veins you probably dont notice too much. She went to the toilet and she took a dump, but only if she knew that dump was you Gonzo, because she was in such a drug induced state of mind she forgot to flush the toilet. And there you came crawling out the toilet from amongst your siblings called S H Y T.

      March 15, 2012 at 1:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Blackman

      see GONZO no amount of reasoning that you broadcast will ever make me think that the cold-blooded murder of the innocent need an answer or debate, it just needs to stop. And if you know a woman who gets abortions all the time that tells me alot about you and the people you associate with.

      March 15, 2012 at 2:04 am | Report abuse |
      • Squee

        Blackman, that doesn't even make sense. Women have been aborting fetuses for as long as we've known how. By any means necessary sometimes. What you're advising is that we go back to ingesting risky drugs, throwing ourselves downstairs or trusting someone who may not have been appropriately trained?
        Try being realistic about the situation before trying to decide how to proceed.

        March 18, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • B652

      Ok, so by your logic, if a developing human (notice term change) is merely a disease until it is born, what is the difference between a baby that still in the womb one day before it is born and one day after?

      This is just a s simple a question as you "life raft" scenario.

      March 15, 2012 at 2:54 am | Report abuse |
      • Gonzo

        I think 2 trimesters is a huge benefit of the doubt.

        March 15, 2012 at 6:28 am | Report abuse |
    • MandoZink

      Gonzo's description, although cruel sounding to some, is technically correct. A fetus and a cancer growth are both cases of excessively rapid cell division. (I am a cancer survivor myself) The difference is that one has the potential to become self-aware, sentient and conscious being. That conscious "alive and aware being" concept is what those who are OK with abortion base their value of human life on. That is why so many people express the opinion that you should be prepared to care for the human after it reaches that state. Forcing women to allow a fetus to be born into conscious awareness, only to suffer a poor life after that, is a cruel idea to many. Not allowing suffering to even begin is a moral choice under that realization.

      March 15, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Retreat Hell

    Wow no one wants to comment... Looks like I'm the first one

    March 14, 2012 at 10:38 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Blackman

    Has anyone ever seen an abortion I have in person and they show this baby on a monitor you can see this suction tube going toward the baby and they turn on the machine, when it goes to suck this baby through the tube I promise you it seems like the baby is trying to live and fight the tube off, and it moves violently to stay alive, the doctor sucks part of the baby's head and the next thing you know the baby has no head and you can hear chunks of the baby being suctioned through the tube, you see blood and chunks of the baby. If aint murder what is when this baby is struggling to stay alive. Those who are considering abortion watch it live.

    March 14, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
  19. bozo

    To all these so called "pro-lifers", mostly bigoted self righetous religious numbnuts, where is your indignation over the genocide/elimination of at least ten million indigenous "American" (sic) Indians, brought about by the true believers?
    You're the same wobbleheads who clamor for blood via capital punishment, who blindly followed Bush and Cheney's deliberate unmitigated lies about Iraq, that resulted in the loss of over1500 American service men and women, the disfiguring of at least 20,000 more. IT WAS A TOTAL FABRICATION equal to the deliberate invasion of Poland by HITLER, no difference,but you righty's don't or can't recognize the truth. Just keep on with your sheltered lives spewing the same old self serving trash.

    March 14, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • J

      Really? I hate Bush and Cheney, I thought the war was all set up, and I am definetely not a numbnut. But i do disagree with murdering babys. Don't put us all in one group.

      March 14, 2012 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • B652

      Really? Your argument is that it is ok to kill a child now because OUR ancestors committed some offense in the past? Or that it is ok to kill a baby because a political figure now did something you disagree with? By that logic it should be ok to do just about anything and get away with it using whatever pretense you want. "I don't like the color white the lines are painted on the street so that justifies me killing my neighbor’s cat."

      March 15, 2012 at 12:48 am | Report abuse |
    • EuroTrashhh

      you are sick for spreading such lies. You have obviously never seen an actual abortion take place. And obviously you dont know what a fetus looks like in that stage because that is scientifically impossible! Oh wait, thats right, you crazies dont believe science, only some old BOOK!

      March 15, 2012 at 6:55 am | Report abuse |
  20. Lee Ann

    Thanks, Carole. This needed to be said!

    March 14, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Jonathan Michael Brouillette

    What the choice of abortion looks like:

    http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/

    March 14, 2012 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gonzo

      Are these your family photos? I've seen more adorable cancer tumors.A cancer is not a human, neither is a fetus.

      March 15, 2012 at 12:31 am | Report abuse |
      • Blackman

        have you ever seen an abortion you need to see one live and then make that statement. Do you have any children?

        March 15, 2012 at 1:37 am | Report abuse |
      • Sadness

        All I can say to you Gonzo is that you make me sad. It's sad to be in a world with people who care so little about life. You can call it a cancer or what ever...but it doesn't make it so. If you look at the facts the tetus\baby has a heartbeat at that stage. That means it's alive.
        For you who are a victim of rape, so am I. If you choose to have the baby it can be adopted.
        For the religious...I hate religion, but I love my relationship with God.
        For those who think anyone who is pro-life is a right winged nutjob...there are just as many nuts on both sides of the party line. Everyone needs to clean up their own backyards before they worry about anyone elses.

        My 2 cents...

        March 15, 2012 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
      • cronewinter

        Gonzo, don't be rude..you lose the high ground that way. As for you saddness, a respect for life makes a decent person want to be sure they can care for that new life when it is born. It is a respect for life that prevents caring people from having unwanted kids that will starve or be abused. Contraception is the best choice but when it fails or is denied abortion is an answer. Life is to precious to be careless with.

        March 15, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
  22. Thinks2010

    I just noticed Garry Trudeau's use of the scarlet letter in his cartoon. Very funny allusion.

    March 14, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gonzo

      Good catch!!

      March 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
  23. Thinks2010

    Perhaps a mandatory endoscopic examination should be required for all men before a doctor can prescribe Viagra. If after that little look-see, no problems are found and it is determined that there are no physical reasons for the man's claim that he has ED, the doctor could still prescribe the Viagra but the insurance company should not have to pay for it in full or in part or for the cost of the exam. After all, that would be paying for the man's s3xual lifestyle choice.

    March 14, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Gonzo

    Rule 34!

    March 14, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
  25. t.g.

    Life is precious. Take it seriously. Don't take it for granted. Your decision to abort a child (kill), will impact you more negatively than you can imagine. Choose life even if hardships follow. Do the right thing. You will be rewarded no matter what anyone says.

    March 14, 2012 at 6:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • g

      America is founded on the freedom of choice. It's your choice not to have an abortion, good for you. Let some one else have the choice to have one. I thought Republicans and CONservatives were against Big Government telling them what to do. This is Big Texas Government telling people what to do while at the same time shoving something inside a woman I would imagine is uncomfortable. So before you lecture on the Bible or how sacred life is. Ask yourself have you done your "Christian Duty" and assisted someone who was in need without asking their immigration status? Did you medically treat them before you thought of "The cost towards the government by giving illegal aliens welfare" They're human too right? Did Jesus ask the Roman soldier who's ear was chopped off by Peter "Hey Centurian are you in Jerusalem legally?"

      March 14, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • t.g.

        Why do people like you have to always add something to the issue to justify your view? We are talking about abortion, the taking of a life. America is founded on the freedom of choice, like you have a right to choose if you want to shoot someone for some other reason than self defense, or the choice of whether I should run over somebody with my car. What's this freedom of choice crap you're pushing. Just another lousy argument for irresponsibility, let somebody else fix my problem. Screw the fact that the child in the womb will feel uncomfortable when it is cut to pieces in unfathomable pain. Sure, it's your choice. Go ahead. Don't give it a second thought. Your conscience is clear. Amen. Thanks God for allowing me to kill this "unwanted object" inside of me. Thanks for not letting them try to save a life. Intrusive s.o.b.s.

        March 14, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • jack25

      O.K. but that has nothing to do with you. Christ said quoting Matthew 22:15:22; Render unto Caesar what is Caesar and render unto God, what is God's.' Right to lifers, God bless them, miss one of Christ's major tenets. No forced Christianity. Come to Him by Faith not words, not deeds, no matter how skilled, how, sane, enticing or correct the words or phrases or LAWS appear. Christ forgave those who murdered Him on the cross as an example of true forgiveness; yet you would damn and condemn those who abort for whatever reason based on your reading of God's word. Based on what I read in the bible; mind your own business, practice what you preach and be able to practice real Christianity by loving those even if you disagree with them. They are still children of God and judge not lest we be judged. I'm sure you have enough spiritual challenges in your personal life that demand your attention more than worrying about the actions of those you can't control or have a different point of view. Pray for them all day. You can turn more people onto Christ by how you live your life more than trying to force your beliefs on others. Christ lived his faith. He challenges us to do the same by practicing what He preached. Sometimes it's easier to fight for our beliefs than to live up to them. God Bless.

      March 14, 2012 at 9:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • t.g.

        It's saving a life were talking about Not forcing christianity. The consequences of your actions here and now will impact your life. Works don't get you to heaven. Belief in Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins is what does. Nobody is damning anybody here. Mind your own business is another excuse for your justification. The police should mind their own business too right according to "your" Bible interpretation. You are clueless about this issue. It's about murdering an unborn child, that's it. Keep sidestepping the issue with more excuses. Aren't you glad you didn't get sucked up in a tube. Or maybe you'd say hey go ahead mother, it's your God given right. Kill me. I know you really care about me. But having me in your life just won't do. It's ok. No problem. Youre off the hook. Nothing to worry about, no consequences. Just breathe easy. God is no respecter of persons. Reap what you sow. Good luck.

        March 15, 2012 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Gonzo

      I know people who have abortions all the time. The psychological impact is minimal, believe me.

      March 15, 2012 at 12:33 am | Report abuse |
      • t.g.

        Maybe their consciences aren't bothered at all, but it will impact their life in a negative way like it or not. I can see nothing can be said to people like you that makes you see the light, because you're in darkness and hate the light. You're not fooling anybody. Only yourselves.

        March 15, 2012 at 2:38 am | Report abuse |
  26. adele

    Dear Radical Christians. Hope your 12 or 13yo daughters are ever impregnated by rape. Think colonoscopy gentlemen (oxymoron).

    March 14, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • AustinIsFull

      Exactly...I know someone who's 12 yr old daughter was raped by their 17 yr old next door neighbor. Just to be safe, the doctor suggested the day after pill. No imagine this...this 12 yr old girl, in a doctors office, having a 10 inch wand shoved into her by yet another male....horrific....on top of being raped people would feel good about having her go thru that?

      March 14, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • cronewinter

        Only Christians..the rest of us are horrified at the thought.

        March 15, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
  27. adele

    Dear Radical Christians...hope your 12 or 13yo daughter is never impregnated by rape. Think colonoscopy gentlemen.

    March 14, 2012 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Conservatives4BigGov

    Ahhh Texas. Our conservative right, legislature, and governer (god why did we vote him in) love to shout and pander how much the care for our children, yet we have more uninsured children then most any other state, one of the worst public education systems in the country (they voted to cut even more funding despite the rainy day fund), and last year they cut physical education from graduation requirements. All these play a major role in giving a child a life. If they were truely interested in the life of a child they would resolve those wrongs to.

    March 14, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Michelle

    My body, my choice. Yes, I am a Mother and for me I could not have an abortion BUT it is not my place to tell anyone else what they can or cannot do with their bodies. I'd rather allow someone to have an abortion than to find out three years later that the child has been abused or worse. I don't think it should be a platform for politics – especially when the powers that be can't balance the budget, fix un-employment or stop illegal immigrants from coming into the country. Everyone is harping on the Mom to be, making sure she is aware of what is going on with the fetus – you think they don't already know this? You think they have not agonized over this decision already? Please! Most of them are wanting an abortion because the 'Dad's to be' are either no longer there or just don't care. Why not fix it so that the fathers are held to the same moral code that the Mom's are being held to? Instead of using cruel and unusual punishment to the Mom's, why not guarentee that the Dad's will pay child support for the child until they are 18 – or better yet, make them stick around so that MOM doesn't have to work three jobs to survive. That won't happen – because it is easier to push the blame, the choice and the responsibility off on the mom. If you are going to force the Mom's to do this, then Dad's need to be held to a higher, stricter moral code than what is currently allowed in this society.

    LOL – if you are going to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body, maybe we should just go back to a time when prohibition was legal too...then there won't be so many babies being concieved due to alchol and the lack of morals. (<-yes that is sarcasm)

    You are all mistaken if you think by doing this you will stop abortions. It has been said before here and elsewhere – outlaw abortions and they will not go away, they will just go underground.

    March 14, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kory

      Rick Perry thinks it's so justified, let him go first. Bend over bible-bellowing-buddy!

      March 14, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Report abuse |
  30. Michelle

    How can we lift the SHROUD OF SUFFERING, if we cannot first admit that it exists?.

    by Michelle Wade on Wednesday, March 14, 2012 at 4:38pm ·

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    Here's a few points to ponder! Has anyone ever heard of mutilation of male genitalia for the sake of keeping a man from experiencing pleasure? Has anyone ever heard of male infanticide? Do you know a man who is forced to keep his face hidden for shame's sake, or because he is the property of some woman? I strongly suggest that you watch the movie THE STONING OF SORAYA M.. Do you know of a plac...e where men are detered from learning or even prevented from learning because he is not worthy and it is thought that he cannot be taught? If it were possible that when a man was raped, he might suffer the same consequences that a woman has, would he in fact carry that rememberence around inside him? hmmm......I wonder?.......This is not an issue of assistance, or welfare it is an issue or morality and compassion.....of fairness and beyond equality...there is NO being equal on this level.....when a man begins to carry a child then and obviously then our compassion may evolve to a more conscious level of understanding....BUT, NOT EVEN THEN...NO man should begin to think that he has the right to invoke any rule, law or judgement AGAINST A WOMAN'S BODY AND HER UNDERSTANDING OF IT! That doesn't even make sense. A woman might never entertain this notion of destroying that which she works so diligently at and which brings her such pleasure and soulful satisfaction. The Ego is a very undenyably strong characteristic, but it usually bestows its presence upon us out of pure FEAR.....and Fear is merely a CHOICE. Choose....LOVE!!! It is whole, it is right, it is undenyable, unconditional and you can own it for yourself...noone can take it away from you.♥

    March 14, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Good_Grace

    Watch the 180 movie and then tell me that didn't impact you at all. If a child outside of the womb is valuable and important and meant to be cared for, why is the child IN the womb worth nothing at all? This is just sad. Everyone cries RAPE and INCEST but you can't tell me that the thousands aborted every day are a result of that. That's just nonsense. If an ultrasound is "rape", you don't even want to know what the actual aborting process is. It's brutal and HORRIFIC.

    March 14, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cindy

      I have had that ultrasound for medical reasons. I wouldn't wish it on anyone that doesn't need it. Anyone wishing for an abortion (for whatever reason) doesn't need that. The abortion procedure itself is bad enough.

      I wouldn't have an abortion but I do believe "My body, my choice."

      March 14, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Good_Grace

    http://www.180MOVIE.COM

    March 14, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
  33. MeMelvin

    The invasion of a woman's uterus just to "take a picture" is not vital to the procedure. A woman seeking an abortion has already made up her mind that pregnancy at that moment is not a viable option. This law is draconian and clearly aimed at psychological warfare aginst a woman's individual decision and control over her own body.

    The attack by zealous right wing proponents is nothing short of a medieval mentality to limit hard won freedoms over tyranies. American extremists are a frightful reminder why the general public should never trust far right or far left radicals. There is not much difference between Radical Imams and Born Again Christians when it come to indivdual liberty and freedom. Both utilize guns, laws and it this case psychological torture methodology to suppress everyone around them.

    It's a traditional bell curve.
    Some people are just worthy of being hated.
    Nero, Jerry Falwell, Adolf, Jack the Ripper, Marie Antoinette, Osama, Imelda Marcos, Hoover and of course Rush.

    March 14, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • mke

      What about the most basic of rights. The right to life. What gives you the right to take that away.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • C. Cole

        Perhaps that's part of the issue. Some people believe Life is a right. However, purely scientifically, no where in nature is Life a right. Life is a process of survival, adaptation and so many more things. Life itself typically ends at birth or shortly thereafter in ALL species on earth, only a handful actually survive until adulthood. Human's have changed those odds a bit with their gained knowledge. But nowhere, and I mean nowhere in nature is Life demonstrated to be a right. IF that's what "the creator" really believed, nothing would die at or near birth, all, or near all life would survive for an entire life cycle, and there would be very little adversity that nature test life with. Nature herself proves there is no such thing as Right to Life.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • J

        C. Cole, you are an idiot. You say people don't have a right to life? Then go kill somebody! See if you get away with it! You wont because that person had the right to live! you claim you are in law but you dont know this? Plus you say Mary was raped? Are you kidding me? For someone who claims they studied the Bible, shouldn't they know that Mary gave her consent to the angel? Plus it even says in the story that rape is unwanted penetrtion, Mary was never penetrated by God. You are dumb.

        March 14, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
  34. erik60505

    If this is law everyone better keep coat hangers out of the home and live near an Emergency Room.

    March 14, 2012 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • cronewinter

      There are several herbal preparations that a knowledgeable woman could use to force her period, Of course if they fail the fetus may be damaged and born very broken. Is this and the cloths hanger the only choices the right would leave to a desperate woman? There are a few of us still around who remember the ways of herbs and natural healthcare, I hope I will never have to provide such care to my daughter or daughter in law or grand daughter. I hope their healthcare remains available and safe in our state. I hope those of us who provide natural health care are never forced by the state to do the reproductive care that the religious forbid.

      March 15, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
  35. mke

    God knows rape and incest are horrible and I hope the abusers burn in hell. But let's be honest. One tenth of one percent of abortions are from rape or incest. Abortions are murder and its used as birth control. I am sorry if you are a victim I truly am. But being a victim doesn't give you the right to kill an innocent baby.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • GoGaryGo

      It's not your business! And it's not the governments! And the human population is booming with abortions included! Unless your argument is for a specific type of human. Maybe abortion is good for some and not others..

      March 14, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • mke

        I make it my business when people kill babies.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      Strictly in legal terms, didn't the Christian God rape Mary to conceive their idol. Impregnating her without her consent, without her knowledge? Isn't that the very definition of rape? Is this why it's considered no BIG DEAL to some within the Christian faith?

      March 14, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • theresa

        It was not without her consent or her knowledge! She was fully aware and was groomed for that day..she was told of what would take place ahead of time and gave her consent. she was not raped. Read the Bible before you make comments on subjects you know nothing about.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Conservatives4BigGov

        Cole – You have to read between theresa's lines. i.e. Mary had a little too much fun one night while Joseph was out with the guys playing poker. Oops, the goat skin broke and Mary ended up with a bun in the oven. How the hell am I going to explain this to Joseph she ponders. Oh wait, I got it... immaculate conception. Yeah, that's the ticket. Joseph, it was the wierdest thing, God sent an angel to me and told me I am going to shoot out his soon. God did this to me so not only did I not have an affair, you should be thanking me.

        March 14, 2012 at 5:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • C. Cole

        Please, reading this book and reading the history surrounding it clearly shows she had no knowledge at the time of conception that it be a child from a God. We meet Joseph and Mary in the first gospel (written in Greek for a Greek audience for those that didn't know) Joseph was to divorce Mary as he first believed her to have been unfaithful with another man.

        Matthew 1:18-19
        "When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child of the Holy Spirit; and her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.

        I find no passage where it clearly states Mary was aware of her pregnancy as the conception occurred. Then again, after having studied the subject for more than 35 years and specializing in theological studies I still leave the possibility that I could be inaccurate. But, as always, absolute proof, in writing, would be required. Since the bible cannot be considered any form of absolute proof when scrutinized under the scientific process of proof, other historical records are needed to back up the claim. Such as it is.

        As we are a country based on laws, this is a criteria that is important before laws are enacted.

        March 14, 2012 at 5:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnnyb52

        There is no where that it says Mary had no idea or no knowledge of conceiving a child by the Holy Spirit. The thing is, is you take that which you do not understand and misuse, because anyone who knows the bible knows what God says about it and that His words are spiritually appraised, not something for minds un-renewed. To make it simple, only the devil himself takes these words and twists them for his own agenda.

        March 14, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ann

        Hey, leave Mary alone. She was a nice little Jewish girl who got into trouble, and came up with the best cover story in the history of mankind.

        Either that, or she was out with her flock and got sick with a little food poisoning (no modern sanitary conditions back then; happened all the time). A couple of guys came along and found the cute young thing hallucinating, and decided to take advantage of the situation. "Really, hon, it's okay. God sent us."

        March 15, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pokey

      And if I am forced to have a child I don't want, because some monster raped me, should I call you up and have you adopt him. NO ONE has a right to tell me what I can and can't do with my body. It's as simple as that.

      This will not stop abortions, it didn't stop them 100 years ago and it won't stop them now. People like you don't believe in abortion yet don't want kids to learn about condoms in school or provide the morning after pill to anyone that wants it.

      Abortions will still occur and women will die because they go to unlicensed doctors or cut rate clinics. Oh yea, but I guess that is okay with you, it's only the unborn fetus you care about not a person that has suffered a horrible trauma.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • mke

        First of all you don't know me so don't say people like me. I am all for education, condoms, and birth control. I'm not for killing babies.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnnyb52

        Is an unborn child your body? Curious.

        March 14, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • MCQ

      Abortions are not used as birth control. Do you know how expensive it is to have an abortion? Contraception, no matter what method is cheaper. Accidents happen. Someone should not have to raise a child if they know it will not be in the best interest of themselves and the child.
      Maybe if the GOP got over bs abstinence only education and inhibiting women's rights/education/access to birth control, there would be less unplanned pregnancies, and subsequently, abortions. Shocker, I know.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • Good_Grace

        So murder is better? I don't understand the logic in that. It's. A. Baby. Someone got pregnant and decided they didn't want a baby, so they'd rather kill it than take the responsibility of raising a child. Everyone cries "but rape and incest...?!?" That's their ONLY sticking point. THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of babies are aborted every single day and you're going to try and tell me that every one of those was the result of a rape or incest? You all need to watch the 180 Movie. Seriously. Get your heads out of your asses and educate yourself.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • mke

        I agree abstinence doesn't work. As for the cost of an abortion go find someone on welfare and ask them what one cost. Go down to planned parenthood and ask hiw they check names, addresses, ssn's of people coming in for an abortion. For billing purposes of course.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • g

        mke>Most people that are on welfare couldn't afford an abortion even with the "assistance" of Planned Parenthood. The people that could afford an abortion are not "minorities" or illegals. As a matter of fact most "illegals" are deeply conservative in their religious beliefs. Then again aren't they human too? Before you go on your "murder is wrong" pedestal. Ask yourself did Jesus judge Mary Magdalene before taking her into his flock or Saul for that matter? So before you pass judgement on people in front of Planned Parenthood ask yourself, "Am I a true Christian or a Christian a la carte?"

        March 14, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        Millions of babys? Really where you get that number I think that if the women choose to end her pregentcy it is her right to. This has been going on for a very long time and everyone on the Right just does not want to accept that anyone can and does disagree so they put these laws into affect hoping that no one notices and if someone speaks up agaist it they are unamerican. How stupid is that?

        March 14, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Can't believe is not butter

      It don't give you the right to judge ether!...your choise is your s only..not every one else...do you get that?

      March 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • mke

        I get that murder is wrong. Don't you.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        Then don't do it. Simple. Have you tried to stop the murders all over the world? There are a lot of people and yes, kids that could use your help.

        March 14, 2012 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • ava22

      One tenth of one percent.... statistics major??? Hey Texas - Don't mess with us.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • D.D.

      RAPE BABIES HAVE RAPE DNA FROM THEIR FATHERS. GET IT OUT OF THE GENE POOL DON'T GIVE BIRTH TO ANOTHER GENERATION OF RAPISTS!!!

      March 14, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marquise

      God gave man free will. Who is man that he/she thinks they can take that will away from others? God could have prevented man from eating from the "Tree of Life" by not placing it in the middle of the garden, but He didn't. He gave us free will and free grace. Let God handle His business, he doesn't need your help!

      March 14, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • AustinIsFull

      Wow. You must have talked to every female who has had an abortion. Do you really think they would all tell if they were raped, or molested? No. See it's their RIGHT not to.
      It's funny. You think you have the right to tell people to have children but we have no right to tell YOU not to keep reproducing.

      March 14, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • cronewinter

      Owning the body the unwanted fetus is growing in is right enough. We do not need the permission of you or your church.

      March 15, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
  36. GoGaryGo

    A woman's right to choose to carry a baby or not is between that woman and her higher power! 7 billion people polluting this planet and over 2 million people incarcerated in US alone and you worry about the rights of an UNWANTED fetus?Who died and made you judge of mankind? Women know what's best for them and their body's not the government and on a moral ground only god is judge so what's your argument? You don't get to be judge so mind your own damn business. It's a cute baby until it grows up and is pointing a gun or knife at you or impregnating your daughter or giving birth for your son before high school is finished...unintended consequence is what we avoid by birth control!

    March 14, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • mke

      That reflects you as a mother not the baby. There is adoption you know and plenty of good moms out there that would love that baby and raise them right.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Can't believe is not butter

        Not the ones that have been raped!....do you want to be rape and carry a baby that will remind you of the rape every time you see him or her....think Woman!....

        March 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • GoGaryGo

        First off I'm a man! Second off its not your business what another person does with their life! Thirdly most women who do abort only delay birh as it is proven that unwanted children have huge disadvantages in life and do suffer deeply if they are neglected and mistreated!

        March 14, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Can't believe is not butter

        How would you think you would feel if you find out you where consived as a rape? Truth answer?

        March 14, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Molly

        As a social worker who places foster children into foster homes, I can tell you that the idea that there are "plenty of good parents to adopt all the unwanted babies" is a total fallacy! There may be plenty of parents to adopt rich, healthy, white babies, but I can tell you from experience that there are far fewer families willing to adopt or foster minority babies and those children who have been abused or removed from parents who didn't want to have them in the first place. Those minority babies with no foster home to take them end up in group homes, costing the states upwards of $1,500 per month until they turn 18...not exactly a better solution!

        March 14, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kranden

        So how many unwanted children have you adopted?

        March 14, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • humberto

      She and her higher power already chose to carry someones penus .
      whats your point ?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • C. Cole

        Didn't a higher power rape Mary in the story of how Jesus was conceived without her knowing or her consent? Maybe that's part of why certain people accept rape as NO BIG DEAL?

        March 14, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • GoGaryGo

        Your mom should have swallowed you! That's my point! You don't have to agree but you would be crying like a baby if they regulated your penis..

        March 14, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • humberto

      thats anorher reason why women shouldn't get custody, especially minority women.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Molly

        Whoa!! Why shouldn't women get custody?? And what's wrong with minority women? How is that related to the abortion debate?!?!

        March 14, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Not a Scholar

      Your outlook on society is in need of some serious counseling. Many women in hard situations nurture beautiful, healthy, well adjusted offspring. However, many that would NEVER consider abortion, bring up some of the worst offspring ever to walk the earth. Abortion is NEVER about the future of the child or person. It is about the selfish female, unless of course it is a case of abuse or rape.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • cronewinter

        A woman who knows that she is not able either financially or emotionally to raise a child is not selfish..it is a rational and good decision. The selfish one has the child and ignores it or abuses is or just can't afford it so it goes without basic needs , choosing to wait for a child until finished with school so she can support it is a truly good decision.

        March 15, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • mke

      Ok so you're a man. You're still a poor parent if you are one. Being disadvantaged doesn't mean no right to live. How would I feel if that's how I was concived? I would be thankful my mom let me live. Would I hurt? Yes. But I would go give my mom the biggest hug I could not killing me.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • julibear

      Go Gary Go! I agree wholeheartedly. While adoption is an option for some, who wants to carry a rapists or their father's baby for 9 months? Also,many 'ethnic' or special needs babies just end up in foster care, unfortunately. And, yes, there are way too many people on this planet anyway. Its been proven that crime rates dropped drastically in states that legalized abortion first, just about 17-18 years after those first legalized abortions were performed. Coincidence? Nope. Unwanted babies grow into unwanted adults.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • cronewinter

        Well put.

        March 15, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • KathySanDiego

      Couldn't have put it better myself. Perhaps all these self righteous dimwits can invest in wire coat hangers. When I was a teenager girls used them, threw themselves down steps and of course, the back alley abortion business can thrive again. How many ways can you say Mind Your Own Business!!!

      March 14, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • mke

        How many ways can you say thou shall not kill.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse |
  37. Dust Bunny

    Hey, conservatives: I thought you wanted Less Government. Now we know that you're liars as well as misogynists.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • humberto

      who's paying for your healtcare, dandy ?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • mke

      Hey liberals...i'd say now we kniw you're murderes, but we already knew that didn't we.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • MCQ

        That's cute, we almost forgot conservatives couldn't spell. Almost.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
  38. dccolorado

    This be should be left up to women. Us men made our choice very early in the process. As for rape and incest its so sad that any one would force a women's hand in that situation.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ann

      You know, I'm completely pro-choice, but I have to wonder about the "rape and incest" exception that so many otherwise antiabortion people make. If you really, truly believe that that bundle of cells is a human being, who cares how it was conceived? Why are you willing to let those fetuses be aborted, but not others?

      Answer: Because it all comes down to the same thing. You think women aren't capable of making their own decisions. You will let her have an abortion if YOU think she has a good enough reason, but you won't let her decide for HERSELF if she has a good enough reason.

      Butt out of my life. Butt out of my uterus.

      March 15, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Report abuse |
  39. pamik

    Until a man can be raped AND impregnated AND deliver an unwanted baby thru his little pee hole, women will never be equal. Males still need to dominate in order to make themselves feel omnipotent. They think they are doing us women a great service but look where it's gotten the US. Abortion should not be a federal discussion. It should not be a platform for the candidates. We all know what is growing inside of us when we are pregnant. I do not agree using abortion as a birth control method BUT when an unwanted pregnancy occurs, abortion should be an option without being considered a disgrace. I know I could not personally have an abortion but I believe in the rights of others to have the procedure if they feel it is necessary.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      Some men are part of the problem for sure. In reality however, it theology that is the real culprit. All people will interpret their personal opinions of their theology differently. I know of no consensus about religion and what it means. Biggest problem is religion and theology is it turns many good people into Narcissist. Objectivity it all but lost, and only THEIR belief's, only their way of seeing their spirituality is important, relevant or real to them. All other belief's, all other people that believe differently spiritually are thought of as victim's of themselves, (or the DEVIL) poor lost souls, and any number of other things that clearly point to Narcissism.

      How shocking it must be if someone who believes in Christianity should let themselves find that Jesus was a Jew, never endorsed the religion they follow, and likely would condemn them for creating a religion after him, rather than what he actually believed, which was Judaism. Like he did at the Jewish temple when he started turning over tables during the festival. Those who believe in Christianity clearly have no knowledge of who Jesus was, or actually believed in.

      This is the most obvious part of their delusion and Narcissism, they can't see the reality of it.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • mke

        Spoken like a true athiest. Execpt you forgot the jews didn't accept jesus as god so why would those who do be jews. Would it not make more sense to follow him and his teachings as christ. Hence the name christians. Nice try atheist.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • C. Cole

        Jesus didn't accept the idea that he was God either. History, (including the bible) is good to read.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
  40. William Lee

    So all you anti-abortion advocates want 8 billion people on earth? As with the human race, you people are a self-important viruses.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • humberto

      go play in the street

      March 14, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • mke

      And you baby killers make me sick. Anything to make your life easier right. Innocent unborn baby be damed. Just kill him or her right.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Goat

        Right! ...see, you're not a complete dolt.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • GoGaryGo

        So what you are advocating is a woman should be forced to raise an unwanted child?

        March 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        Wow. Way to generalize. You are so ignorant that you don't even try to read up on the subject or even have any trust that women have their own brains and guess what? We don't care what you think. When you know your loosing an argument, you start calling people names.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • humberto

        another edicated goat from the gutter?

        March 14, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        Wow. Way to generalize. When you know your loosing an argument, you start calling people names. Yeah, your superior. Dumba$$

        March 14, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • humberto

        we know what you're full of, Austin.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • erik60505

      I guess that means only straight people should be aborted then. Great rationalization!

      March 14, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
  41. erik60505

    How about making them have the child and then a year later deciding whether to abort. Same difference murder wise.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • zep

      Perhaps that shouldve been done to you eh

      March 14, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      Can always go back to when women performed their own abortions, or some quake doctor did. Abortion rate hasn't changed much is what those who oppose it don't seem to know, or bothered to find out. What's changed is women aren't killing or maiming themselves. What's not been counted by those who oppose it and the millions upon millions of lives that were saved. No issue has just one side to the sword. At the end of the day a woman will always make her own mind up, regardless of the legalities. This is the way it was before, and always has been. Legislating morality has yet to ever been proven effective whatsoever in any example, anywhere. A state can create a death penalty, but it's been proven over and over to have ZERO effect on the murder rate. Word to the wise. Want change? You'll have to do it on a social level, legislating it never has, never will work. All that's ever done is allow yourself to become a tool for those who seek your vote.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • humberto

        Thats how inept they are to make a decision.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • notatall

        This is not only a war on women, it is a class war. It is a war against impoverished women. Before RoeVWade, wealthy women had abortions, only the medical procedure was under another name.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Darw1n

        I agree. Nobody ever talks about the fact that banning abortion won't stop it or even slow it down much.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Report abuse |
  42. vatoloke

    Ah, only in Teaxas.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • humberto

      thats more of a ruse to make people pay for something they don't need.
      same female logic as abortion.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
  43. Tradeoff

    So...you want government to be involved....when we use government to control others, the day always comes when our wins and other peoples losses become our loses and other peoples wins. We push government to get involved and we push the federal government to get involved and it goes our way and then the pedulum swings and it does not. I may be wrong, but then, if I was, would we be reading this story?

    March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Can't believe is not butter

      it really bothers me, that there's a bunch o woman that are against abortion even when woman are victim's of rape...what kind of monster are you ! How about we rape you and impregnate you to see how well you cope...or gang bang you....shmmm

      March 14, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Durundal

    Oh look, another group of D u m b a s s conservatives who think that people make the choice to terminate without little thought or consideration for its effects. Go figure

    March 14, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Dave

    How about all those who are against abortion should be forced to take unwanted children and raise them with their own money, not welfare if they demand abortion laws to go in place?

    March 14, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • RoxieInTheSouth

      I'd vote for that in a second.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Can't believe is not butter

      In my opinion..Opinions are like assss hoolllees,, every one has one...there for my opinion is mine and what ever you opinion is its fine with me.....

      March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kriss greenn

      YES!!!!!!! it's my body i should make the choice, and if others are so against my decision, come raise the child for me.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ann

        Problem is, once the child was born and actually existed, I'd feel responsible for it and I'd never let it be raised by some bible-banging lunatic who would make it join their cult.

        March 15, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      Some make the mistake of wanting to legislate via their opinions. While other, more savvy, more educated and more well rounded people understand opinion is meaningless. Statements, that lend themselves heavily toward being provable become something more than an opinion. Like scientific theory vs. scientific fact. Some can't see the difference.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • J

        So prove to everyone that what is being murdered isn't a child. Oh wait, that's an opinion too.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Conservatives4BigGov

        @J – Yeah, but, Cole is not trying to legislate his/her opinion on everyone else.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • J

        To the C. Cole idiot. You say people don't have the right to life and its all survival. Ok then, go down the street and kill someone and see if you don't get arrested. You will be in deep trouble because that person had the right to live. You being in law, or that's what you say, should know that. And you claim you studied the Bible but you didn't know Mary gave her consent and you saying it us rape. Ummm, just like the story says, there has to be penetration. Stop trying to sound smart. You look dumb.

        March 14, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Molly

      Fantastic idea, Dave!!

      March 14, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
  46. dudley0415

    Democrats do dearly love their comedians – Franken, Mahre, Trudeau – as the leaders of their moralism. What I don't understand is why laughter is supposed to be the end of a conversation – apparently, if you can say something even inaccurate or state something from a singular perspective and get someone to laugh at it, it is supposed to represent a condoning of the point and the end of the conversation.

    Some people laugh at rape, murder, child abuse and others.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      Your first mistake is demonstrating you stereotype people you don't like (or appear not to agree with). Everything after that is already colored that way. Objectivity is not your best suite.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • HorizonLLM

      Euw.
      Sick of Democrat, Republican talk.
      Why can't you folks just get together and make one party that is for the greater good, not just say it is.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Durundal

        Because many of us have become victims of our own intellectual laziness (talk show syndrome) and overly polarized about things we do not even fully comprehend but then nevertheless feel obligated to offer policy proscriptions to 'fix the problem' in 50 words or less (usually with atrocious grammar and nary more than a glimmer of literacy)

        March 14, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Can't believe is not butter

      ?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
  47. C. Cole

    If someone is going to base their opinion of abortion on some form of religious theology ( which seems almost always to be the case) then there are some criteria that need to be meet legally. First and foremost, you must prove the God you believe in actually exist, is the supreme master of all the universe and everything every written about him is indisputable, meeting the requirement of legal proof. This is imperative since we are a nation of laws.

    You must also prove that all other beliefs on the globe, and especially in our nation,and the God they believe in is none sense, that only your God is real. There many more things that must also be proven. If you can do this, then we can legislate via the opinion of your God and you yourself. If not, well then, your opinion has no place in a government based on law. Opinion is not law. Couple of years of law training will reveal this to you.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Can't believe is not butter

      I have seen noas ark

      March 14, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • RoxieInTheSouth

        LOL You couldn't have seen "Noas ark" because the story of Noah in the bible is copied from a story written hundreds of years before that in ancient Babylon. In fact the creation story was also stolen from the Babylonians.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • C. Cole

        indisputable proof it was noah's huh? I haven't seen that one.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Conservatives4BigGov

        @Roxie – that is absolutely correct. Many stories in the bible were borrowed from ancient cultures/religions. The easter story is another one.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
  48. Ct

    Last time I checked rape victims didn't have a choice.
    Secondly, killing babies shouldn't be the answer to your lack of responsibly.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • raggmopp

      So you are saying that she is responsible for getting raped?

      If the GOP wants to do away with contraception yet still provide the ED drugs, where does the responsibility lie then?
      I'll tell you. with the GOP!

      March 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike C

      Right, leaving them in an dumpster is ok though? That's the alternative. If a woman doesn't want a baby, you can't MAKE her take care of it for 18 years.

      Life is sacred to the GOP before it's born....after that, it becomes the democrats problem.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • MarkinFL

      So you agree that rape victims that seek an abortion should not be forced to go through this procedure to obtain an one? Also, your personal definition of a person is not the same as everyone else's.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • J

      People just need to take responsibility for their own actions and not blame it on a defensless baby.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
  49. Chris

    I would think that any woman wanting an abortion would have already thought it through and made a decision that is right for her at this point in her life. It is not our business why she wants this procedure done and it is a LEGAL procedure. To use humiliation, intimidation and shame in order to try to change her mind is just way out of control.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marci

      100% AGREE

      March 14, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Can't believe is not butter

      Agree...but I do have a problem with woman who purposely have a hole bunch of kids just to get government help,,get your big rears to work and quit wasteing the resources to help the peple that need it....( this is to the bigggg buutttts)..yes you!

      March 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • HorizonLLM

      100% Agree.
      The exam can certainly damage organs and tissues in the uterus if there is an embryo/fetus so why add intimidation and "shame" to this. He should stick a 10-inch ultra sound up his a** to see something there that we already know is there. Only to add shame and humiliation. It is 100% her decision and the partners if he is involved. Lawmakers, stay the F out of Women's Rights regarding abortion and their decision that will change their life FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      March 14, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • RoxieInTheSouth

      Also 100% agreed.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Catholic Christian

      I couln't agree more!!

      March 14, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Michelle

    Michelle Wade

    This is not true of all men, but many and I think on a purely egoic subconscious level, not a conscious level for many, perhaps if they could "see" through the ego...this would change for some. But,as is usually the case with most men, sorry guys, instinctively you hold the power of life within us.....if man believes he controls life and the power to reproduce it.....I think you have your answer....
    But, Like planting a seed and having no sun, moon, water or CO2 in which to nurture and support the life you've planted your seed will surely die. But, I'm thinking that as we evolve, we may find that this seed may become unnecessary, and what place would the ego serve then....but to need women in order to pass on a man's heritage and for some men we know this is important for the sake of breeding power. If this became unnecessary, what place would man have then? The irony is, that this scenario already exists....but the ego wants more...but, what if your seed became unnecessary, what place would you have then?.and if man can't see the true value of a woman, which is the point, would man wait until he has her no longer to realize this? Incidentally, most women, not all, but most know the value of a man and it isn't measured in value, but more accurately by our deepest innate desires. A woman's true desires are for protection for herself and her children and UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.♥

    Wall Photos
    Sadly true.

    By: Wendy Gittleson.

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    Michelle Wade and this phenomena will continue as long as man identifies so strongly with the ego and believes that He is the judge and creator.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Courser01

      Michelle,

      Oh so excellent! Yes, yes, and more yes. As a student of Anthropology and as a Pagan, I have understood this connection for years. It's so very true and it goes as far back as The Epic of Gilgamesh when Gilgamesh refused the advances of the Goddess Ishtar, the leading Goddess of love and fertility.

      On a very gut level, men worry about being superfluous to women, who hold the power of creation in their bodies. This is more than them simply having a 'breeding pool' (please forgive me for referring to women as a 'breeding pool'. I'm just using it as an example). Since Ancient times, women have always been rather women and it's not unusual to find early examples, as Goddess worship declined, where men have sought to gain access to women's 'mysteries' as they have been called. Women are mysterious and inherently powerful because of the gift of bringing forth new life.

      Over the centuries, Clergy, especially the Catholic church, has sought to control women, denying them any part of power within the church – it's main mission is to take the 'Women need to submit to their husband' propaganda to a real extreme. Forbidding birth control was only one step in controlling women. Women have always been excluded from the 'ruling class' of the Catholic church – Even a lowly parish priest is authorized to tell a women what she can and cannot do with her own body. Further, according to the Vatican, if there is a choice between saving a woman in childbirth and saving the child, they will choose the child. As far as they're concerned, women are only the vessel and it's the new life that trumps hers.

      My own grandmother, a devout Presbyterian, gave birth to my mom in a Catholic hospital. Granted, there were no of the modern day advances in 1935 that there are now. But they refused to give my Grandmother a caesarian. She just lay in agonized labor for 25 hours. At that point the doctor came out and told my grandfather that both mother and child were not expected to survive. What wasn't said was that because the hospital policies, dictated by the Church was that they would provide NO pain control during this agonizing labor. They would do nothing to help hasten the birth. They belived it was best to 'let nature take its course. The Blessed Mother will help her through. Right.

      After only God knows how many hours, they finally decided to take the baby by 'high forceps', permanently damaging my Grandmother's cervix and uterus, and blinding my mother in one eye. These high forceps grabbed my mother's head (one of the probes slipped into my mom's eye socket, hence the blindness) and pulled her forcibly from my grandmother's womb. My grandfather was told that the prognosis for both mother and child were not good. But both persevered and lived on to live productive and healthy lives.

      The final result was that my grandmother was unable to have anymore children and even had to undergo a complete hysterectomy a few years later. What was unforgivable in my mind was that they told my grandfather they they could not perform a Caesarian because it was against hospital (probably because of some religious interpretation) policy. So, they'd just take women in, regardless of religious belief, and prescribe their own values to human life that other religious may not. Then they would leave these women laboring for hours and hours on end. They would only perform a Caesarian once the mother was near to death and only to save the baby, not her. If she managed to survive, great, but she was not the major concern. This is the reason that maternal death from childbirth was much higher in the 20's, 30's and even into the 40's. To make matters worse, MOST of the best hospitals were Catholic, whose mission could receive significant financial backing from the Catholic Church.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Graham Krueger

      I'm a guy, and while I no longer consider myself a pagan, I agree with everything you say

      March 14, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Rhonda

    "Fetus"? Really? I've come to expect this from radical feminists and those on the far left, but let's think about this for a minute...

    If you have a lady friend who is in her 1st trimester of a much desired pregnancy, would you ask her if she has a name for her "fetus"? Have you EVER asked a friend if she has felt her "fetus" kick? Have you EVER asked a pregnant friend if her "fetus" is a boy or a girl?

    If you attempt to deny the humanity of the unborn by using the word "fetus" in an abortion debate, but use the word "baby" when referring to your friend's pregnancy, then you are a big time hypocrite.

    Be consistent, or be quiet.

    March 14, 2012 at 10:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Can't believe is not butter

      Ones the sperm has reach the egg,it only takes a few days to turn in to life(fetus)......dont kill life¡

      March 14, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • RoxieInTheSouth

        You obviously have no idea how many spontaneous abortions mother nature undertakes after fertilization. Most women have no idea how many naturally aborted fetuses they've experienced. It happens all the time, particularly within the first tri-mester.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        And what about in vitro fertilization? What about all those fertiziled eggs that didn't "catch"? Those are abortions too, right?

        March 14, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ann

        Yeah, where are all the protests outside fertility clinics? They dump thousands of "children" (gag me) into the trash every year – WAY more than that "evil" Planned Parenthood.

        If they didn't, every woman using in vitro would be an Octomom.

        March 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • RoxieInTheSouth

      Social conversational terms rarely reflect reality. Do you always use the scientifically correct names for your private parts in a social setting? It is amusing that you would even attempt to use that as an argument. LOL

      March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Britt

      Roxi, the naturally occurring/spontaneous abortion is a red herring. It has nothing to do with the issue. It's one thing for it to happen naturally, it's another for someone to make a deliberate decision to do it.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Dan

    Well, if you think wand sonograms are invasive and akin to rape, you should take a look at what's involved in a vacuum aspiration, D&C or D&E abortion. Now that's invasive.

    March 14, 2012 at 8:08 am | Report abuse |
    • Aezel

      Yes but it is voluntary vs involuntary that is the issue. Herp derp, go back to your trailer and read more about how Jebus rode dinosaurs.

      March 14, 2012 at 8:46 am | Report abuse |
      • cheri

        Voluntary? I'm pretty sure none of those 50 million babies volunteered for that....

        March 14, 2012 at 9:07 am | Report abuse |
      • Dan

        No, Aezel - mypoint is that when a woman consents to an abortion, she volunteers for a number of very highly invasive procedures. A wand sonogram is walk in the park compared to what she'll go through later. You can call me all the names you want, it doesn't change the facts of what abortion involves.

        March 14, 2012 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
      • MarkinFL

        Its also a completely unnecessary procedure that is extremely invasive (if you do not think so, go to a gynecologist and ask for one today) and has the sole purpose of humiliation.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • BioHrzd420

      While she may consent to have those procedures done for the abortion, she should not be forced into an invasive ultrasound when she has already come to her medical decision. There is other technology available that would not require such a bodily invasion. The procedures of abortion are done as a necessity of the procedure, whereas the invasive ultrasound is not necessary for the purpose of visualizing the fetus (since other ultrasound technologies already exist). It is simply a way to shame women out of the clinic.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Mymy

    ...CNN's bot seems to approve of Lauren's spamming.

    March 14, 2012 at 4:41 am | Report abuse |
  54. Lauren

    Does it like Texas, sonogram, rape, and not required in the same comment?

    March 14, 2012 at 4:00 am | Report abuse |
    • RoxieInTheSouth

      Is there a mental health facility near you? If so, please check in at once.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Lauren

    Does it like Texas sonogram and rape in the same comment?

    March 14, 2012 at 4:00 am | Report abuse |
  56. Lauren

    Does it like words like Texas or sonogram or rape?

    March 14, 2012 at 3:59 am | Report abuse |
  57. Lauren

    Or words like "fact"....

    March 14, 2012 at 3:58 am | Report abuse |
  58. Lauren

    I guess it doesn't like hot words like "rape"....

    March 14, 2012 at 3:58 am | Report abuse |
  59. Lauren

    Let's see if I can sneak one past the CNN SoundOff censor....

    March 14, 2012 at 3:57 am | Report abuse |
  60. Lauren

    Oh come on, CNN, let me talk about God and religion and guns and stuff some more, 'cause it would be offensive to allow me to include actual facts that refute Carole Simpson and Garry Trudeau's "rape" lie.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:52 am | Report abuse |
    • seraphim0

      Does it hurt your head being such an idiot?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
  61. Lauren

    Ah ha ha ha HA HA HA! Jesus and God and God and Jesus are the only comments that get through! Funny stuff CNN!

    March 14, 2012 at 3:40 am | Report abuse |
  62. Lauren

    More Jesus and God stuff...

    March 14, 2012 at 3:37 am | Report abuse |
  63. Lauren

    Okay, here's another test for the CNN screeners. Jesus and God like priests who don't want women to kill their babies. Did this stupid comment make it through?

    March 14, 2012 at 3:34 am | Report abuse |
  64. Lauren

    Okay, just for fun, CNN screeners, here's another one. Priests don't like women to kill their babies.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:31 am | Report abuse |
  65. Beth

    Wow, I have posted comments on here 3 times today since 5 pm and none of them showed up! I'll try again. Google "Early abortion services in the United States: a provider survey" for confirmation that 99 percent of clinics use sonograms before performing an abortion. Prior to 18 weeks, this type of sonogram is the best way to determine age of the pregancy.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Lauren

      Someone at CNN has hijacked the comments and is screening them. Only pro-choice ones get through, or really ridiculous religious comments that make pro-life people look stupid. Try it. Say something like "Jesus hates people who kill their babies."

      March 14, 2012 at 3:23 am | Report abuse |
      • vatoloke

        Only in Teaxass.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Molly

        It shows up on my screen that you posted that statement several times in a row. I think there's just a delay – no need to immediately blame pro-choice screeners...

        March 14, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Lauren

    Jesus and God don't want you to kill your babies.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:18 am | Report abuse |
  67. Beth

    This is not rape. This sonogram is performed by almost all clinics preceding an abortion. Look it up.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:17 am | Report abuse |
    • someone

      A doctor-recommended procedure is one thing. A government-mandated one is another. You'd think that difference would make sense to folks who are so intent that government "not come between a patient and their doctor." How is this any less offensive than the government (gasp) trying to make sure your insurance company doesn't fleece you?

      March 14, 2012 at 6:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Monica

      But not an invasive sonogram where they stick a 10 inch wand inside a woman, essentially against her will.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
  68. Lauren

    Do you think Jesus approves of baby-killing?

    March 14, 2012 at 3:13 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      Yes! That's why he kills so many every day.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:18 am | Report abuse |
    • AustinIsFull

      Guess what, Lauren....Not everyone believes in Jesus....so his opinion and yours means nothing.

      March 15, 2012 at 10:28 am | Report abuse |
  69. Lauren

    God doesn't like people to kill their babies.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:11 am | Report abuse |
  70. Lauren

    Do you think God approves of killing babies?

    March 14, 2012 at 3:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      Not everyone believes in god

      March 14, 2012 at 3:07 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      Whose god?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Aezel

      Are we talking about Zeus?

      March 14, 2012 at 8:48 am | Report abuse |
    • RoxieInTheSouth

      If your god existed and didn't approve, then I would think he would be able to take matters in his own hands and certainly wouldn't need you and your ilk interferring. Fact is that you have absolutely no credible evidence that your puny god exists at all or ever did and no one is afraid of you or your impotent imaginary friend.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
  71. Lauren

    By the way, Ms. Simpson, do you see any irony in your "God forbid" comment about pulling Trudeau's repugnant strip that lies about the Texas law that is trying to PROTECT the life of the baby? How about God forbid that people should ever kill their babies, especially just for the inconvenience they present, which is the reason most of them are killed? Do you think God is happy about that? I can't presume to speak for God, but everywhere I've read about him, he's a God who promotes life, love and selflessness, not death and selfishness. What do you think?

    March 14, 2012 at 2:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      How does raping the mother protect the baby?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:00 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      Where'd you find a lie in Garry Trudeau's brilliant strip? What's the lie?
      Are you a danish Muslim?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:07 am | Report abuse |
      • Lauren

        Are YOU a Danish muslim that likes killing babies? Ha HA HAAAA! Only stupid comments make it past the screener.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:41 am | Report abuse |
      • Lauren

        So...Jesus...CNN...in fact comments ARE pre-screened...God...before they're posted, contrary to the disclaimer below...priest...just like it says in the Terms of Service...heavenly angels..."CNN reserves the right, and has absolute discretion, to screen, edit, refuse to post or remove without notice any User Content posted." Why bother deceiving us into believing that all our comments are posted, since you just edit them to make them sound any way you want?

        March 14, 2012 at 3:46 am | Report abuse |
  72. Jonathan Michael Brouillette

    See what the choice of an abortion looks like:

    http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/

    March 14, 2012 at 2:47 am | Report abuse |
    • S

      Miscarriage pictures, darlin'. Those have been proven as fake LONG ago.

      March 14, 2012 at 7:19 am | Report abuse |
  73. jackaloper

    I am pro-choice, and against this invasive law...but, it is a little hysterical to cry rape on the sonogram when the goal is to have a much more invasive procedure.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      Yes but the sonogram is 100% extraneous to the abortion... completely medically unnecessary

      March 14, 2012 at 2:52 am | Report abuse |
      • DaveLaz

        @Drew: putting words into mouth of the kid growing inside the belly, I'd say abortion is 100% extraneous to his or her well-being.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:01 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      Its justified fury. The state mandates nothing else like this for any other procedure.
      Absolutely unnecessary, and frankly awful. It is solely for the purpose of shaming + upsetting the patient.
      It is designed to punish her. Its judgmental in nature. Its completely regressive + vengeful.
      How is that medically ethical?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:59 am | Report abuse |
      • Howdy

        Actually, The government mandates that all surgeries or medical procedures being done to a patient be informed of the risks involved, what the procedure consist of and how it will be performed which is why you have to give written consent prior to a procedure to release the doctor or nurses performing the procedure from liability. Why wouldn't you want to educate someone.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • J

        When you go to the doctors you sign a form of consent which gives doctors permission to do things. So how is it rape?

        March 14, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        Informing someone of the risks is one thing but this is not required. It has never been before. The only reason this is done is to try and change their mind and in a very invasive manner.

        March 14, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
  74. Jonathan Michael Brouillette

    This week, the Virginia state Legislature also passed a bill that would require women to have an ultrasound before they may have an abortion.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:42 am | Report abuse |
  75. Breanna

    As someone who's been abused my /entire/ life, I would like to personally invite Rick Perry to talk a long walk off a short cliff.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:15 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      I'll push!

      March 14, 2012 at 2:23 am | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        I'll take pictures

        March 14, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Report abuse |
  76. RillyKewl

    On a lighter note, Doonesbury Rocks! I've been a fan for almost as long as I can remember. Garry Trudeau is brilliant. And its nice to hear from Carole Simpson as well.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:12 am | Report abuse |
  77. Stephen

    Damn its so easy. I've heard abortion compared to the holocaust. Repeatedly. Either you believe its murder and genocide... and therefore I would think your decision is easy. Or it is not genocide. If its murder and genocide you should be going above and beyond to stop it. If you are not, you are a terrible person. Personally I think it is fine and therefore I feel comfortable with my stance. However, if you feel it is murderous and genocidal you are a coward for not doing more. In fact, you are nothing short of pathetic. Who says "This is genocide" and then lets it continue like nothing happened. You should be sorry if you consider abortion genocide and murder bc you are no better than Hitler, Stalin or Kim Jong Il. Who thinks something is genocidal and stands by and does nothing except maybe protest it?

    March 14, 2012 at 1:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      mmm i'm a bit uncomfortable with that... you are sort of suggesting that every pro-lifer go bomb an abortion clinic

      March 14, 2012 at 1:57 am | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      And if your the type that believes in Rights, Liberty and Freedom and Freedom from oppression, you may do all you could to save those too. Every cause has it's Marines.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      I fight it in the laws of our land. You'll not goad me into committing violent acts when the law is effective – that only plays into your desire for more abortions.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:13 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        Scott, I absolutely promise you that no one "desires" abortions. Some people just think they can be justified in certain situations

        March 14, 2012 at 2:23 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        Outside of this debate here, its academic.
        In reality, its not even a question of justification, its an emergency. Something that needs to be addressed right away. When one finds herself in that position, the clock ticks loudly. Its about appts and money, time and big decisions.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:27 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        sorry, meant to say inside, not outside.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:28 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        Certainly, and since no man will ever experience that I frankly don't think that men have too much of a right to talk about it

        March 14, 2012 at 2:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Kunst

      You know, not everyone agrees on everything. No matter how strongly you feel, other people's opinions have just as much right as yours. In a democracy, the majority decides. Otherwise, we go to war over every non-negotiable issue.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:28 am | Report abuse |
      • C. Cole

        Not really. A government where the majority always wins is called mob rules, not really a democracy, and even more important, not a republic either. Things like slavery would never have been abolished.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:36 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        Yes Cole, but the point is that at the end of the day someone will be unhappy

        March 14, 2012 at 2:45 am | Report abuse |
  78. Thinks2010

    With six out of nine Supreme Court Justices being Catholics appointed by anti-choice Republican presidents, do you think any of these intrusive anti-women laws will be overturned?

    March 14, 2012 at 1:53 am | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      Texas civil courts will hear a case charging rape against the Dr. or facility and seek GIANT sums of compensation for rape. No one goes to jail, but everyone in Texas associated with this goes broke.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:58 am | Report abuse |
      • Thinks2010

        One can only hope so.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:01 am | Report abuse |
      • nvguy

        Well Said

        March 14, 2012 at 4:03 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      I do, and here's why. We will not let up.
      Our eyes are opened now to the misogyny of the christian fundamentalists in office, and throughout our society. We stopped them from taking over Susan G. Komen. We are applying tons of pressure on Limbag for his vulgar 3-day rant against a student testifying before congress. And we'll keep it up.

      We're mortified by the full-on assault on women's lives and reproductive freedoms, and health.
      When they attack us, we will hit back, every time. They cannot win this. Not on my watch.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:04 am | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        I think your watch stopped. Aren't you glad your mother didn't kill you because you weren't convenient?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:15 am | Report abuse |
      • C. Cole

        I can tell you I'm glad my son is home and didn't give his life for a war that was totally unnecessary so someone could get himself re-elected. I do feel bad for all those actually born people that were given up wastelessly.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:31 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        My watch is working just fine. I'm operating on the current laws of the land since 1972. Where've you been?
        And leave my mother out of this. Its none of your business whether I or my mother have abortions. Its a little something we call privacy. Ever heard of it?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:32 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        @ C. Cole, You make a great point.
        How can anyone be pro-life + pro-war at the same time?
        Or pro-death penalty for that matter. if every life is precious?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:35 am | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        Rilly – why take offense? Did I ask if you or your mother had an abortion? Nope. I just asked if you were glad she kept you. Just you, not any siblings you may or may not have had. That's ok though, sometimes people get confused and give the answer to a question that wasn't asked.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:20 am | Report abuse |
      • nvguy

        Gee Scott we read your implied question loud and clear - you are just too much of a f#c^er to accept our answer - it's none of your fricken business, (get it?) stick to the fact that a zygote is not a person....give me a fricken break you trailer park, ignoramus f-head - not that you annoyed me or anything!

        March 14, 2012 at 4:10 am | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        nvguy, assuming you're a guy, which means you've never had an abortion, are you glad your mother chose life? I'm not implying anything but the question – if you read something else in to it, that's your own fault. See if you can reply without relying on ad hominem attacks.

        March 14, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        I'll reply Scott...of course we are glad but the point we are trying to make is it's none of your business. Get over the fact that your opinion isn't everyone's. Your view is narrow minded and leaves no room for an intelligent thought.

        March 14, 2012 at 8:45 pm | Report abuse |
  79. Jonathan Michael Brouillette

    Tertullian

    "In our case, a murder being once for all forbidden, we may not destroy even the fetus in the womb, while as yet the human being derives blood from the other parts of the body for its sustenance. To hinder a birth is merely a speedier man-killing; nor does it matter whether you take away a life that is born, or destroy one that is coming to birth. That is a man which is going to be one; you have the fruit already in its seed" (Apology 9:8 [A.D. 197]).

    "Among surgeons’ tools there is a certain instrument, which is formed with a nicely-adjusted flexible frame for opening the uterus first of all and keeping it open; it is further furnished with an annular blade, by means of which the limbs [of the child] within the womb are dissected with anxious but unfaltering care; its last appendage being a blunted or covered hook, wherewith the entire fetus is extracted by a violent delivery.

    "There is also [another instrument in the shape of] a copper needle or spike, by which the actual death is managed in this furtive robbery of life: They give it, from its infanticide function, the name of embruosphaktes, [meaning] "the slayer of the infant," which of course was alive. . . .

    "[The doctors who performed abortions] all knew well enough that a living being had been conceived, and [they] pitied this most luckless infant state, which had first to be put to death, to escape being tortured alive" (The Soul 25 [A.D. 210]).

    "Now we allow that life begins with conception because we contend that the soul also begins from conception; life taking its commencement at the same moment and place that the soul does" (ibid., 27).

    "The law of Moses, indeed, punishes with due penalties the man who shall cause abortion [Ex. 21:22–24]" (ibid., 37).

    March 14, 2012 at 1:51 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      Not everyone believes in the soul, so we probably shouldn't make our laws based on it

      March 14, 2012 at 1:55 am | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      This is definitely going to a Texas civil court for rape against any Dr. that does this. May not be able to get a Texas persecutor to file criminal rape charges, but a civil court will hear the suite, and if she wins, Texas is going to have some big settlement bills coming.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Just a guy

      Perfect example. You can't, shouldn't govern with the Bible.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Gezellig

      Exodus 21:22-23: "If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman's husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life"

      You misquoted the Bible. Did you do it on purpose?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:17 am | Report abuse |
      • Jonathan Michael Brouillette

        It's a quote by Tertullian referencing that scripture.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:21 am | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        All that babble is a frickin fairytale to a lot of us! Don't you understand that? That is a book of lies that you choose to believe. It was written by MEN...not God. It has been changed, edited, and no one follows it like they are supposed to. It means nothing to so many people it just makes you look brainwashed to quote it.

        March 14, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • nvguy

      A zygote does not receive blood from anything, go back to high school biology you m0r0n!

      March 14, 2012 at 4:27 am | Report abuse |
    • bridhesdottir

      You are aware that not everyone follows Mosaic law?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
  80. Michael, Chapel Hii

    A life in the womb has no value? May be because God gave the life? or is the modesty of the one who bears the life is more important?
    Abort all the babies; Islam will have enough babies to rule the country.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:47 am | Report abuse |
    • what1ever

      Who cares how many babies the Muslims will have? Religion will be dead in two to three generations (hopefully.)

      March 14, 2012 at 1:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      I dunno, talks about the "value of life" really interest me, mainly for the reason that we have an essentially unlimited capacity to create new life. How do you value something that is infinite?

      March 14, 2012 at 1:53 am | Report abuse |
  81. Jonathan Michael Brouillette

    The Apocalypse of Peter

    "And near that place I saw another strait place . . . and there sat women. . . . And over against them many children who were born to them out of due time sat crying. And there came forth from them rays of fire and smote the women in the eyes. And these were the accursed who conceived and caused abortion" (The Apocalypse of Peter 25 [A.D. 137]).

    March 14, 2012 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
    • what1ever

      Thank you for that totally uninformative bible quote. We are all now dumber for having read it.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:51 am | Report abuse |
      • Jonathan Michael Brouillette

        Minucius Felix

        "There are some [pagan] women who, by drinking medical preparations, extinguish the source of the future man in their very bowels and thus commit a parricide before they bring forth. And these things assuredly come down from the teaching of your [false] gods. . . . To us [Christians] it is not lawful either to see or hear of homicide" (Octavius 30 [A.D. 226]).

        March 14, 2012 at 2:02 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        In their bowels? Honey, thats not where a pregnancy is.
        Wrong organ. Sorry.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:09 am | Report abuse |
      • Jonathan Michael Brouillette

        bowels,
        a. the inward or interior parts

        March 14, 2012 at 2:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        He's quoting other period writings, not the Bible.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:18 am | Report abuse |
      • BioHrzd420

        Actually your bowels are your intestines, from stomach to anus. Goes along with disembowelment, to remove the gastrointestinal tract. Pregnancy is not happening in your bowels.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
  82. what1ever

    Why doesn't someone sue Texas? There is no way in a million years that this bill would hold up in court. You could probably clean them out...

    March 14, 2012 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      Exactly. I just figured out a women can in fact file suite for rape in a Texas civil court against any Dr. or facility that did this procedure on them. The criminal courts will have their hands forced if any one of these women win. This will definitely ends up in civil courts for rape.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:52 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      I love that idea. Let's get it on the books!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Breath is soul

      A couple years ago there was a referendum on the state voting ballot asking the question of what voters thought about the idea of requiring the ultrasound test prior to abortion. Voters overwhelmingly approved of the idea, and so it went to legislature and passed. (I voted against it). Now the state is picking up the tab for all these expensive tests. You have to understand how many evangelicals there are in Texas, and if you sued, the jury would likely be all evangelical. Need an abortion? Go out of state, that's the message.

      March 14, 2012 at 11:20 am | Report abuse |
  83. DaveLaz

    Women have rights, all people in fact have them. It's call free will. And free will means making choices. I'm idealistic, but my hope is we will one day live in a world where we make our choices based upon love, compassion, courage and an intrinsic sense that life - all life on our planet - is interconnected and a gift. The act of abortion itself is an admission of life. MLK, Jr. once said: "The time is always right to do what's right." So whether the act abortion is legal or illegal might be missing the point: if we need a law to tell us what our consciences already should, we, as a people, have a ways to go.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      What we don't need is a law mandating state-sanctioned rape for pregnant women.
      Nor willfully lying to a desperate patient.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:53 am | Report abuse |
      • DaveLaz

        How is requiring sonograms for pregnant mothers rape? Requiring a mother to weigh her options, and consider the true weight of her decision, by having a medical exam is hardly rape. It's actually responsibility in the face of a largely throw-away U.S. society where we discard without thinking.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:05 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        There are other non-invasive sonograms. Besides, the sonogram is 100% medically unecessary. It is only related to the abortion in that legislators want to punish women getting abortions by shoving a rod into them. Pretty twisted, no?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:07 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        Pretty twisted indeed. Its an awful punishment.
        Why don't they just ship women seeking abortions to Syria to be raped + tortured?
        That'll teach those women not to seek relief from dictatorship!

        March 14, 2012 at 2:18 am | Report abuse |
      • DaveLaz

        @Drew: do you really feel the legislature's intent is to "punish" women?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:19 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        I certainly think so. If they must have an ultrasound, they could have mandated a non-invasive one. How else do you explain this measure?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:22 am | Report abuse |
      • DaveLaz

        @Drew: I don't know. I'm not medically versed in the intricacies of external vs. internal ultrasounds. Women are the fount, if you will, of human existence. Within a woman's body is the power to create and sustain life. So the idea of providing women with tangible knowledge of what's taking place within them isn't wrong to me. With basically any other subject, the idea of making an informed decision would be looked upon as sensible.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:32 am | Report abuse |
      • D

        "DaveLaz

        How is requiring sonograms for pregnant mothers rape?"

        In the case of previous rape or extreme medical fears, it would not be good to experience. Abortion is invasive enough. I didn't have a pap smear until 30 because medical situations in general scared me, though I understood them well and supported other people getting them performed. Plenty of people don't understand this hesitation, but it isn't something someone like that can just dismiss knowing that they will survive the "ordeal". Being made to weigh my decision is nice and all, but I would have thought about what I'm doing plenty. I've thought plenty on not wanting children nor wanting to bear them. What this is is punishment, and I would be very angry having to go through something medically unnecessary.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:36 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        Its not sensible at all to authorize unnecessary + invasive tests against the patients desires + needs.
        Furthermore, its unbelievably insulting to think that the patient doesn't know what's happening, and that the state must force her to be subjected to their whims.

        Put that money into education and/or medical access, if you want patients to be better informed consumers.
        Don't abuse people seeking care + treatment.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:48 am | Report abuse |
      • DaveLaz

        @D: within your responses here, tonight, you've used the words "fear,' "afraid" or "terrified." In your response to me, in particular, you mentioned you were afraid to have a pap smear and waited until you turned 30 - as you know, women are encouraged to receive their first pap smear no later than 25 years of age for their own well-being. Not that this has anything to do with the price of tea in China, but are you certain you're not transferring your fears onto this topic?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:48 am | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        DaveLaz...by assuming that a woman hasn't weighed their options is insulting. Any woman who makes that decision has.

        March 14, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      Dave, as a man, you probably should take women at their word if they say this procedure is offensive... you don't have the necessary hardware to know for yourself

      March 14, 2012 at 3:00 am | Report abuse |
      • DaveLaz

        Drew. It's getting late. I'm starting not to make sense in what I'm writing. But I'd like to rally for one or two hopefully coherent thoughts: My wife's had internal sonograms. I've been in the office for most of them. Her biggest complaint is that it can be cold. Yes, it's uncomfortable. I've watched her face and her expressions. But to confuse this act with one of rape is, to me, an overstatement. Look, when it's time for a proctology exam, I ain't high-fivin' the nurses on the way into the examination room. But I'm not equating it with time spent in prison, either. Reading a few of these posts here this evening, there's also added drama around this topic that emanates from individuals' personal histories. You've stated in an earlier post something to the effect of "no one wanting an abortion." Well, if that's true. How do we get to a place where we stop denying climate change, stop wasting so much energy, food, and money on defense, and realize an evolutionary jump in our potential as a human species? One where we respect the land and one another and the potential that exists within us all? A time where we are self-aware, in-tune with our emotions and as well as both our physical and spiritual natures? There is much healing that needs doing. First and foremost within our own selves.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:15 am | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        DaveLaz...Your wife had that CHOICE. This would take away our choice to have some strange man, who we don't know, shove something in us without us wanting it. That's rape.

        March 14, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Markwonder

    It's funny how the hypocrite liberals are pro-abortion now that they are already here.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      I never said i was super glad to be here...just saying

      March 14, 2012 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
      • D

        "I never said i was super glad to be here", which is a sentiment some people will take as "Oh, I'm a miserable heathen. If I seen the light of God, I'd be so much happier to be alive!" But I agree. I really dislike it when people use the "What if your mom never had you?!" I have had a pretty happy life and I'm not miserable, I am loved and love. But I have a belief that creating life is cruel because life is cruel. Often, babies come into the world due to carelessness, into bad situations, or for selfish reasons. And even if not, what could happen to the person to be could be bad. So why not avoid unless you really, really want a child with your whole being and want to do everything to help make it's life good? I don't know if it is better to be unborn or to be born. I tend to think it is that former. But we can't really answer that.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:23 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        thank you for interpreting my comment correctly

        March 14, 2012 at 2:24 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      now that we are already here? What does that even mean?
      Being prochoice is not new.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:51 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        "What if Jesus had been aborted?"

        March 14, 2012 at 2:00 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        You mean the Dude that was immaculately conceived?
        Hmmm. I guess he'd come back 3 days later.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:20 am | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        How do we know Jesus was even real? No one has ever shown me proof

        March 14, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dixon

      I am a Liberal, but never have been pro-abortion. I beleieve it is a big mistake that comes back to haunt those who have an abortion, for any reason. However, I will not judge a woman who decides to have one.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:26 am | Report abuse |
      • Ann

        "Comes back to haunt?" Oh, another person who thinks women can't make their own decisions, and we have to protect them from themselves.

        Of course many women have regretful feelings about an abortion – just as many birth mothers feel regret about giving up their children for adoption. It's a tough decision to make. It doesn't mean it's the wrong decision to make.

        I've never been pregnant, and am past the age where it's likely to happen, but there have been times where I've believed that, if my birth control failed, abortion would have been the right choice for me. Would I have done it? Fortunately, I never had to make that choice. But I'll fight for my right to make it.

        March 15, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
  85. RillyKewl

    This is a ridiculous argument.
    There is no way anyone in their right mind could justify forcing pregnant women into having unnecessary, and upsetting procedures. And for what? I guess just to run up a bigger doctor bill?
    Or would the state be paying for the unnecessary procedures?
    Either way, its cruel + inhuman punishment. Its vindictive.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      yeah its just hilarious that people would complain about paying for sandra fluke's pills, but would condone their money going towards this garbage

      March 14, 2012 at 1:45 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        Sandra Fluke was just there to rebut testimony from the spanish inquisition in congress.
        Something that should offend us all.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:49 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      Did you know that it is also mandated that the doctor LIE to the patient + tell her that abortions cause breast cancer? Most unethical thing in the world!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        absolutely horrible

        March 14, 2012 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
  86. C. Cole

    A medical procedures that is completely unnecessary. Medically, it only serves as an extra cost to the patience, the taxpayers and the community. It's also unwanted, invasive, and frankly seems to be breaking the rape laws as it is. I think legislation should be introduced in the Texas Senate that will make it where any health professional doing such a procedure in this manner will be charged with, and put on trial for rape. Either that or repeal it, one or the other WILL happen.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:43 am | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      Actually, now that I think of it, any woman that has already gone through this procedure could in fact file suite in a civil court for rape and seek punitive damages from any health care facility or person who has performed such a procedure on them. This is easy. When the first woman files this suite (and I can imagine one won't) there won't be a single Dr. in Texas that will do this procedure. And the next step is the criminal courts.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:49 am | Report abuse |
  87. Edwin

    I think pro-life people should be forced to either adopt or foster a child in need, or at least volunteer time to these children in need. If abortion is abhorrent, so is ignoring the child once it is born.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      And so is denying women access to the contraception that can prevent the need for abortion

      March 14, 2012 at 1:44 am | Report abuse |
    • andy

      Edwin – please!!! There are people waiting in line and going out of the country to adopt!!! Open your eyes. There's no need for abortion. With that argument, if a child has bad parents, we should just kill them too!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:45 am | Report abuse |
      • Kobra Kai

        Andy, YOU are the one who needs to wake up. Yes, healthy white babies are in demand and have no trouble finding adoptive parents. Babies of other races and/or with birth defects? The righteous, holier than thou pro-lifers won't touch them.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:01 am | Report abuse |
      • D

        There are indeed a lot of people who want to adopt, but most people want a mini-me if they want to reproduce. It's sad. But maybe it is a part of our bodies wanting to make copies of ourselves. Still, there are too many kids waiting to be adopted. Many years go by before adoption.

        I'd rather not go through pregnancy. It terrifies me, I dislike many details. Also, some women have some bodily issues after it. I would try to avoid going though it even though I'm engaged, plan on being with a person forever. And what of the reactions I would get if we were "expecting"? People would expect us to be making our own family. If I were to say were want to give the child to be away. In a perfect world, the curious would say to our response "Oh, lovely! I'm glad you are making a child for someone to love!" But it would not work like that. I'd be looked down on. Which isn't the only thing that matters to me, but it is still a sad reality.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:10 am | Report abuse |
      • Ann

        Yes, Andy – please flip through your local paper's classified section and find me the ads saying, "We would love to adopt your mixed-race, handicapped toddler."

        March 15, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Edwin

      andy: you are PARTLY right. There is a waiting list for white infants with no birth defects or drug issues. But most other groups are not so much in demand.

      Basically, in the U.S., children over the age of five rarely get adopted. We looked into adopting (but our situation changed radically), and my wife still looks at the sites occasionally. Most of the children available five years ago are still available, if they had any of the afore-mentioned traits (age>5, skin color not white, emotional issues, drug issues, birth defects). So... you are wrong.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:55 am | Report abuse |
  88. steve

    We should just and adapt Communist China's laws. Let the government choose what babies will be killed, we are heading that way sooner or later.This would take some of the guilt off of our shoulders.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Just a guy

      Let the US government get involved in searching out and imprisoning pregnant women that don't want to bring a baby to term is just what a communist country would do. Good point.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:41 am | Report abuse |
  89. Robble

    When the misogynists found out that abortion does not cause any psychological distress, they decide to rape us before allowing it.

    There is nothing more horrible than an unwanted child. The jails are full of them.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      I'm not a woman but i seriously doubt that abortions cause no emotional distress. It must be an awful decision to have to make, but it is a woman's decision nonetheless

      March 14, 2012 at 1:38 am | Report abuse |
      • Robble

        Abortion and long-term mental health outcomes: a systematic review of the evidence.
        Charles VE, Polis CB, Sridhara SK, Blum RW.
        Source
        Department of Population, Family and Reproductive Health, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD 21205, USA. vcharles@jhsph.edu
        Abstract
        Claims that women who have elective abortions will experience psychological distress have fueled much of the recent debate on abortion. It has been argued that the emotional sequelae of abortion may not occur until months or years after the event. Despite unclear evidence on such a phenomenon, adverse mental health outcomes of abortion have been used as a rationale for policy-making. We systematically searched for articles focused on the potential association between abortion and long-term mental health outcomes published between January 1, 1989 and August 1, 2008 and reviewed 21 studies that met the inclusion criteria. We rated the study quality based on methodological factors necessary to appropriately explore the research question. Studies were rated as Excellent (no studies), Very Good (4 studies), Fair (8 studies), Poor (8 studies), or Very Poor (1 study). A clear trend emerges from this systematic review: the highest quality studies had findings that were mostly neutral, suggesting few, if any, differences between women who had abortions and their respective comparison groups in terms of mental health sequelae. Conversely, studies with the most flawed methodology found negative mental health sequelae of abortion.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
      • Dixon

        well said Drew

        March 14, 2012 at 4:32 am | Report abuse |
      • JustMyWords

        Drew, of course abortion causes emotional distress. Even if you don't want a child, couldn't raise a child, know there's an extreme risk of horrible birth defects to the child – unless you're a sociopath, it's not the emotional equivalent of clipping your toenails. That said, it would be ridiculous not to realize that having a child that you don't want, can't raise, or is born with a horrible birth defect is also going to cause emotional distress. For that matter, anyone who has lived with a pregnant woman is pretty well aware of a great deal of emotional distress over the course of the pregnancy, even if you want the child. And raising that child is going to cause a great deal of emotional distress over its lifetime, as well.

        Something that many pro-birthers don't seem to want to acknowledge is that living in general causes emotional distress.

        Call me silly, I'm thinking it's a better idea to let the individual decide WHICH emotional distress they can live with, and which they cannot. It's not the place of the state to decide to add to the emotional distress in hopes of creating an outcome that uninvolved third parties would prefer, and in fact, I would say it's cruel.

        If the concern was really for the future emotional well-being of the mother, then these same states wouldn't be involved in a rush to the bottom to see how much they can cut spending on programs that serve the mentally ill.

        March 14, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Edwin

      My sister was emotionally damaged by the procedure - or rather, by its consequences. There SHOULD be some counseling involved. It is not a trivial medical procedure.

      But to require invasive procedures whose ONLY purpose is to make the woman either change her mind or feel bad about it is, well, evil. Making a law whose purpose is to cause suffering to woman is evil, EVEN if the goal is supposedly noble. But I guess it should be no surprise that politicians are comfortable doing evil at the taxpayers' expense.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:45 am | Report abuse |
      • Ann

        If your sister had problems, I hope she was able to get the counseling she needed. However, that does not mean that ALL women will have that need. It's something that both patients and providers should watch for, though, of course.

        March 15, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
  90. Thinks2010

    The states surrounding backward h3ll holes like Texas and the other anti-woman states should set up refugee camps for woman fleeing these rightwing Taliban laws.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
  91. toadears

    TASS. That is you, CNN. Communists and censors. Abort all unborn Americans. And please hurry up!

    March 14, 2012 at 1:28 am | Report abuse |
  92. C. Cole

    Legally, when doe the child become a U.S. citizen? When it's conceived? Or, when it's born, survives the birth, and a birth certificate is issued?

    March 14, 2012 at 1:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      It's definitely not a legal citizen before the birth certificate

      March 14, 2012 at 1:28 am | Report abuse |
  93. Joan

    Have no problem with an ultrasound being part of the procedure that terminates a pregnancy.

    These pro abortion nuts are treating the ultrasound as if it's more dangerous than having the abortion!! It's ridiculous.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Just a guy

      Ultrasound on the belly, if the patient wants to see it...no problem. 10" wand against their will...big problem

      March 14, 2012 at 1:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      It's not "part of the procedure," it is 100% medically unnecessary and completely extraneous to the actual abortion. It is a tool to punish women who choose to have abortions

      March 14, 2012 at 1:27 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        @Drew, You're 100% correct.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
      • Ann

        yes

        March 15, 2012 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • C. Cole

      In that case you won't mind a 10 inch ultrasound to your rectum for a few minutes if you want any medical procedure. OF course we'll have to find the best place for the view. If you don't do it, you won't have access to the procedure. If you happen to have an upper respiratory issue, then I'd ask for EXTRA jelly, it might have to go in deeper than you anticipated.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
      • C. Cole

        Not to mention, medically, it's a completely unnecessary medical procedure that you're making the patient, taxpayer and everyone else pay for. Absurd.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:36 am | Report abuse |
    • ulu

      say i have a fine idea, let's use that ultrasound to do your next rectal exam. we may even find you brain.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:35 am | Report abuse |
      • C. Cole

        He might get an erection

        March 14, 2012 at 2:06 am | Report abuse |
    • AustinIsFull

      It's not necessary. Abortions have been performed for a very long time without this type of ultrasound.

      March 14, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • deborah Kwaczala

      Any object inserted into a woman's body against her will or by
      coercion is rape, I don't what the reason is, rape is rape. women who want to have an abortion will find away, even a back alley abortionist ! How dare you say that this procedure is ok! What about a rape victim, do you want her to be raped again? Insane! Right to life people are not right to life, they may be anti-abortion but they lack compassion/most of them are the first ones, Texas comes to mind that is all for the death penalty! Right to lifers they are not

      March 14, 2012 at 5:25 pm | Report abuse |
  94. steve

    This subject is so easy for many to arbitrarily discuss. My wife had a miscarriage at home at about 12 weeks into her pregnancy. I had to help her with, what was a little baby not a blob of tissue. It had hands,feet head.it was fully formed,it looked just like a small baby. People that would be unfortunate to go through this would have second thoughts about abortions.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:22 am | Report abuse |
    • RillyKewl

      At least the gov't didn't mandate raping her with an intrauterine device first, or after.
      Would you, or she, have wanted that? Especially in the midst of that personal trauma?

      March 14, 2012 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Kobra Kai

      Contrary to popular belief, pro-choice does NOT equate to pro-abortion. I know many, many, many people who are pro-choice, including me of course, and NONE OF THEM think abortions are something to be approached or considered willy nilly. However, we all agree that it is a personal health decison and such decison are between the individual, her doctor and her God... nobody else and certainlhy not the government.

      By the way, don't you find it even slightly ironic that the political party the carps incessantly about our huge invasive government, gladly and agressively seeks government intervention in our daily lives when it comes to abortions.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:08 am | Report abuse |
      • Dixon

        @Kobra Kai
        Absolutely...well said.

        March 14, 2012 at 4:39 am | Report abuse |
    • RD

      You have to understand that radical feminists don't want women to have access to certain information because they are, in the opinion of radical feminists, too easily led astray.
      In other words they are weak, and the law, mostly made by men, due to their screeching and whining, needs to protect them from difficult decisions.
      And consider this; who is anywhere near as "powerful" as the radical feminist's woman who can murder her own child without consequence?
      Does anybody in America, other than the woman and the abortionist, (Read infanticide, serial killer), have the authority to do so?
      And that just makes the radical feminist thrill with delight.
      Disgusting, irresponsible, cold blooded, whining bunch of weak, self centered creeps they are.
      These opinions are not religious BTW, I am and always will be an atheist.
      Again BTW, an ultrasound doesn't require any 10" wand.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Ozymandias71

        "Again BTW, an ultrasound doesn't require any 10" wand." Excuse me, but you didn't even bother reading the article did you? The Texas law REQUIRES a 10" wand. REQUIRES. IT.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Larry

    There was another state, virginia?, that recently had a similar bill come up and when it was pointed out what it involved the govenor and legislatures said they didnt understand thats what the procedure would involve and were taking steps to change the bill slightly. So what these guys hear anti abortion and vote yes without question?

    March 14, 2012 at 1:21 am | Report abuse |
    • andy

      Larry – I don't think so, but if you knew children were being killed, wouldn't you fight for them?

      March 14, 2012 at 1:26 am | Report abuse |
      • Edwin

        I don't buy it. If they really cared about children at ALL, they'd ALSO try to avoid cutting education and social services for poor children.

        I'd say they want them alive, uneducated, and undernourished. To me, that is not a morally justifiable position. Say what you want about liberals and abortion: at least they want to take care of the ones that are already born.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:32 am | Report abuse |
      • Slash

        Children aren't killed by abortion, so your comment is invalid.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:33 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        Yes that's the ironic thing, most pro-life legislators have an unfavorable view of contraception, which could prevent abortion, and then want to cut the social programs that would help a mother who carried their child to term

        March 14, 2012 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
      • andy

        Slash/Edwin – when you come up with an actual argument – wake me up!

        March 14, 2012 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Just a guy

        Just out of curiosity, would you be in favor of seeking out and locking up pregnant women who refused to carry a baby to term?

        March 14, 2012 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
      • andy

        Justaguy – would you be in favor of letting a murderer go murder someone, if you knew their plans?

        March 14, 2012 at 1:39 am | Report abuse |
      • Just a guy

        It sounds like you do. Minority Report was exactly what you describe. Imprisoning people for their thoughts are exactly what I imagined a mind like your would accept. It certainly doesn't work in a free society. Separation of church and state is a powerful statement and it should always be the law of the land.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:45 am | Report abuse |
      • Edwin

        Andy: I'm not sure it's worth my while to try and wake you up. I was merely stating that the legislators who voted for this do NOT really care about the lives of children. They just don't like abortion.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:50 am | Report abuse |
      • Ozymandias71

        "...but if you knew children were being killed, wouldn't you fight for them?" By using Big Government to intimidate and shame a woman into not having an abortion? Yeah, okay... /eyeroll

        March 14, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        No, i would fight for someone's privacy and personnal rights on something that is legal and simply none of your business...

        March 14, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Report abuse |
  96. tallulah13

    For the life of me, I can't understand how anyone can consider this law that forces physical violation upon women who seek a medical procedure to be good and correct. What a monstrous concept, and what monsters are the people who invented this dark-age law.

    I have never been a "Doonesbury" fan, but I thank Garry Trudeau for being man enough, humane enough, and fearless enough to expose this abominable law to international scrutiny.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
    • andy

      I think it's going too far as well; I just think it's funny (not) that people are so up in arms about a sonogram, yet aren't up in arms about the life of a baby.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:18 am | Report abuse |
      • Chris

        Because, of course, they don't have a (typically male) religious leader telling them that it's a baby or that abortion is necessarily killing a baby. You've decided that abortion always amounts to infanticide, because that's what your religious leaders have told you to believe. Other people don't think that way.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:26 am | Report abuse |
      • andy

        Chris – I know that's easy for you to believe, but in fact, no – it's just obvious. What is it if NOT a baby? Seriously? On the other hand, you are arguing that the baby IS NOT a baby, even though it comes out with arms, legs, a beating heart, etc.... Now which of us is making sense? I think it's you that's brain washed, my friend.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:33 am | Report abuse |
      • Chris

        Andy: I think it's quite obvious that a fetus that's moved into the birth canal and is crowning is a baby. At the other end of the spectrum, I think the idea that a fertilized egg = a baby is quite possibly the most absurd thing I've ever heard someone seriously say. If you think a fertilized egg is "obviously" a baby, I'm speechless. You're asserting something so completely wacked-out that I have to assume you're saying it for religious reasons, because I can't come up with any other explanation for why someone would assert something so nutty.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
      • andy

        Chris – I respect your opinion – you're not yelling at me like others, at least! I think you made my point, though. If you don't know FOR SURE, when life begins, shouldn't you side with the chance of life? We do in every other case, just not babies.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:48 am | Report abuse |
      • Linda

        Most abortions occur in the first 6 weeks when the embryo is 1 and half inches long. There is no heartbeat. Knowing when life begins is also decreed in the Bible. It's called a quickening and an overwhleming majority of women do NOT have an abortion after this time. This is a mandated procedure. It is intimidation. Today in America, over 50% of Black children grow up without a daddy. One-third of Latino children and one-fourth of white children do not have a daddy. Having a baby and not taking responsibility for it is immoral. Let's concentrate on the children who are here.
        .

        March 14, 2012 at 2:35 am | Report abuse |
      • AustinIsFull

        @Andy...I'm sure you believe in the bible and God, right? Yet you can't PROVE that they are real and correct, right?

        March 14, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ann

        Andy, an acorn is not an oak tree.

        It is something that, given the right conditions and environment, is a beginning stage of developing into an oak tree. At this point, though, it is not an oak tree. Similarly, an embryo is not a human being.

        March 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • tallulah13

      Most abortions occur before the fetus even has a nervous system. It doesn't feel, it doesn't think. Compare that to the half-million children who are already in the foster care system, most of whom will never have a real family, many of whom will end up in prison, or with unwanted children of their own. This isn't a perfect world and outlawing abortion won't make it so. Until our culture embraces the teaching and accessibility of birth control, abortions will remain a necessary evil, if only for the sake of the real living, feeling children.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:28 am | Report abuse |
  97. Mammaduck7

    For those who support the murder of an innocent, helpless baby, at least have the courage to google abortion images.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      Does that baby's mother not have rights as well?

      March 14, 2012 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
      • andy

        yes – just not the right to murder

        March 14, 2012 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        I just think there is a distinction between murder and refusing to carry a fetus to term. I think women must be able to choose the time that is right for them to start a family. If the fetus can't survive outside of her body, it is part of her body in my book

        March 14, 2012 at 1:19 am | Report abuse |
      • andy

        Drew – news – a baby can't survive by itself- probably for a couple years. That argument doesn't work. And if you aren't sure (even in the slightest amount) when a baby is a baby, why not stay on the side of life?

        March 14, 2012 at 1:23 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        But a baby can be raised by any caring adult. The fetus literally can't survive outside of it's mother's womb.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:25 am | Report abuse |
      • Larry

        a concern that for me with legislation like this is that even women who are VICTIMS of Rape Incest or whose life may be in danger are still expected to under go this priocedure

        March 14, 2012 at 1:25 am | Report abuse |
      • andy

        Drew – there are still SO many problems with your argument. A baby born early – (even way early) could be cared for as well. So are you against any abortion past the age where it's been proven they can be cared for and live? Then you'll be demonized, even for that, like the rest of us.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:38 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        andy, I do believe that there is a point in pregnancy at which abortion is no longer acceptable. I wish I knew enough about the science of it to say exactly when that is. Yes, perhaps the point at which a child can be born prematurely and live (live a human life mind you, not a life as a vegetable). Though presumably this varies from fetus to fetus. I think what we should concentrate on most is preventing the need for abortions through contraception, education, etc.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:41 am | Report abuse |
      • andy

        Drew – this is exactly why abortion should never happen – we will never know FOR SURE when 'life' begins. If you don't know, shouldn't you side with life?

        March 14, 2012 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        I think siding with life also includes allowing the would-be-mother to control the quality of her own life. There are points early in the pregnancy at which we can safely assume that the fetus is not yet separable from the mother though

        March 14, 2012 at 1:51 am | Report abuse |
      • Tradeoff

        What rights does the mother have? Unless she was kidnapped, tied up and forced to act, it seems to me she had multiple rights that could have prevented an unwanted pregnancy. I realize you want to be protective but good gosh, to ask such a question ignores so many things we as a society have done to allow people to prevent pregnancy. While you may think we are in the dark ages and young men and women have no choice, I'd advise you to educate yourself on the number of ways one can have their cake and eat it too without having to even contemplate and abortion. I don;t mind the argument about repsonsibility and who is ultimately responsible but let's at least be honest and real here.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • andy

      amen

      March 14, 2012 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
    • denim

      You're begging the question. Not everyone agrees that a baby's or a fetus' "rights" are more important than the mother's. If you don't want abortion, fine. But don't you tell anyone else what they're allowed to do!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:27 am | Report abuse |
      • Mike Breen

        Way....there ARE humans who know the correct use of the phrase "begging the question"...I doubt whether ANY of them are of the anti-choice persuasion...

        March 14, 2012 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Edwin

      Do you suggest those who cut funding for social and health programs to the poor be forced to look at pictures of sick, underfed kids, too? Or do you prefer a double standard?

      March 14, 2012 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Mammaduck7

        Uhmm...they do. That's a powerful tool to encourage giving to charity. You think if the Germans were forced to look at what was happening in the concentration camps Hitler might not have been able to last so long?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Slash

      Babies aren't killed by abortion, so your comment is invalid.

      At least have the courage to do some research on what you're talking about before spouting unscientific and religion-based garbage.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Mammaduck7

        Research like maybe actually having a baby? Like having ultrasounds from early on and seeing a heartbeat? Actually seeing a baby swim inside me and kick and suck it's thumb? Seeing a baby jump on the ultrasound when the dr. accidentally banged the table? I've had seven children and I have been able to actually see a baby display it's personality through an ultrasound. One of my children moved constantly in the womb and is a very active 12 year old. One of my babies scared the crap out of me constantly because I didn't feel a lot of movement but now is the most laid back kid you could ever meet. If we want to see less child abuse and less suffering we must insist that ALL children are precious and their worth is not based on another's opinion.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:12 am | Report abuse |
      • Scott

        mammaduck, if more kids had mothers like you we wouldn't have this issue. Thanks for being a mom who actually values her kids.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:28 am | Report abuse |
    • tallulah13

      Of course, most abortions occur before the fetus has developed the ability to feel, but don't let facts get in the way of your histrionics.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:38 am | Report abuse |
      • Mammaduck7

        And you know this how?? Like I said, have the courage to google it. Watch "The Silent Scream". I hardly think it's a fact. Or maybe the definition of a fact is just something you believe strongly...

        March 14, 2012 at 2:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Fred Evil

      So it's better to go back to back-alley abortions? Wire-hanger specials?
      You can't control what people do with THEIR bodies.
      Freedom is an uncomfortable thing, especially when you have to let others have it.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:39 am | Report abuse |
    • frankie from the northside

      Mumby or what ever you want to call ur Anal Self. it aint your to worry about. Jesus says mind your own biz

      March 14, 2012 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • frankie from the northside

      I did and I now have a good idea what ya look like

      March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • HorizonLLM

      Before you google that, google what is the last week you are legally allowed abortions. Most images on Google are images of abortions that have occurred past the 14 week mark – meaning it is illegal.

      Mammaduck7 – I recommend you cover all your bases. Your arguments and facts are easily broken down. I have seen things like this before, protesters on the side of the road carrying large banners of aborted babies. Yes, babies. THIS IS ILLEGAL. Those that drive by and read it without knowing that it is actually illegal would most likely think twice about their opinion now. BUT IT IS ILLEGAL.

      Not only is the abortion illegal, the advertisement on the boards are illegal. False representation can be an offense in some states, depending on the degree. I'd say this is pretty high, concerning it messes with individuals own life choices.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
  98. Mike

    I completely agree up until you said "men are starting to take back some of the mileage we fought so hard to gain." There's an awful lot of women in the religious right that agree with this shameful policy. I think it is time that free thinkers start banding together and send a clear message to the religious right that their reign of terror is over. This is the 21st century.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:09 am | Report abuse |
    • reasonablebe

      amen.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:13 am | Report abuse |
    • andy

      Mike – what is so SAD, is that you call disagreement a 'reign of terror', and have no problem with killing babies......really?

      March 14, 2012 at 1:14 am | Report abuse |
      • T.J.

        A disagreement isn't a "reign of terror", Andy. The government literally raping women IS a reign of terror though!! For the love of whatever imaginary being you pray to, get off the keyboard and try saying these things to another adult's face sometime. See how well your views hold up when you're not being a keyboard jockey.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
      • T.J.

        No babies die in abortions, Andy. A baby is an infant, a human being carried to term and delivered by a mother. A fetus is a completely different thing altogether; a bundle of cells and tissue that can't survive without literally being attached to another human being. I know full well the whole "well, babies can't survive outside the womb after delivery either" argument. Your argument is so full of fail it's not even funny! You're trying to equate nursing a baby, which has the ability to breathe, eat, and excrete on its own with a fetus that can do none of the above? Really? I hope you married a man, because you sure hate women!

        March 14, 2012 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
      • andy

        T.J. – wow – who's full of hate? I don't want to kill babies, so I hate women? doesn't compute. BTW – I already stated I think the law goes too far and we shouldn't do that. But yes, abortion is murder and you've proven your hatred and vile for anyone who simply disagrees.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
      • Mary

        This is an answer to TJ, I work in a County hospital in the maternity secction and the ER for females only, we get women that went to a clinic for an abortions and parts of the baby is still enside, for some abortions the crush the baby skull to abort.
        It is a baby not a bunch of cells, one can see the heart beating ,the little head.
        Yes babies have survived a botched abortion. It is normal that one that uses abortion as birth control would defend it, they can see themselves in the mirror ans see that a baby was ripped from their inside.
        Babies live at 23,24 etc weeks of pregnancy and do not have problems.
        When a mom looses an early pregnancy, a miscarriage, she and the father hold the baby, give a name and bury their stillborn.
        I an Roman Catholic and babies at conception have a soul.
        I feel sorry for your children if you have them, that for you are cells, maybe you think without a hearth and soul like you.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mammaduck7

      Fighting to save a life is now called a reign of terror. Weird.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:14 am | Report abuse |
      • Fred Evil

        When it involves mandating RAPE? You bet your ignorant bippie!

        March 14, 2012 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
      • Edwin

        They SAY they want to save the life. But then they cut funding for food, housing, and medical care for the poor. So apparently it is only important to keep it alive and healthy while it is still inside the mother.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:37 am | Report abuse |
      • Mammaduck7

        So it's wrong to make murder illegal but right to force other people to support the baby? Did it ever occur to you that there might be fewer unwanted pregnancies if people were forced to provide for the baby themselves or have to ask for handouts from people who had a choice on giving to charity or not? I see...

        March 14, 2012 at 2:01 am | Report abuse |
      • Drew

        mammaduck, the operative word here is "unwanted." No one accidentally gets pregnant on purpose, and people can even become accidentally pregnant when they take precautions against it. And then there is rape to consider

        March 14, 2012 at 2:12 am | Report abuse |
      • Mammaduck7

        The principle is murder. Two wrongs don't make a right. There are other options besides murder. Mother's know in their hearts what they're doing is wrong. A child can tell you it's wrong to kill a baby. It's wrong to assume that you can alleviate a rape victim's trauma by encouraging her to murder another human being. That baby is as much a victim as she is.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:24 am | Report abuse |
      • HorizonLLM

        Mammaduck7 – "Mother's know in their hearts what they're doing is wrong."

        So leave it up to the mother and her family, not you, not the President, not a Senator, and the list goes on and on...
        Fighting to save a life...either a 12 year old loses her so called "life" already at that young of age or have the choice to start over and make the correct decisions when she's had some experience and "wisdom" – which one would you choose for yourself? Yes, at age 11 or 12 and these days you see a lot of young couple in their mid 20's fighting over children who are 12. Come to a hearing...you'll be like, "these people are parents...?!" What a life indeed...

        I wouldn't want you or any senator making decisions that will change EVERYTHING for the rest of my life.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • Can't believe is not butter

        Who me? 😉

        March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • andy

      When is disagreeing with a policy only allowed by liberals? You think rape is wrong, right? I guess I should call you judgemental and to stop pushing your beliefs....

      March 14, 2012 at 1:15 am | Report abuse |
    • HWB

      And aborting babies is " so progressive", its brings you into the 21st century??????? Think again Roman women. You go back to the swines when you do that.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
    • MadJerry

      I agree with this dude. The author makes it seem like it is only men that are campaigning for laws like this. I bet you a dozen donuts that this was supported by more than a few dozen women as well.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Ozzi

      You seem to have no problem with rape, pedophilia or incest either andy. Seems to be okay in the Bible too.

      You christians want to make everything legal.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:25 am | Report abuse |
      • andy

        Ozzi – I don't even know what to say – are you being sarcastic, or do you think you made some sort of point?

        March 14, 2012 at 1:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Darw1n

      Reign of terror indeed. This is not a theocracy, though some just can't get this through their heads.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
  99. SurRy

    The American Taliban will drag us back to the 50s. The 1850s that is.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:06 am | Report abuse |
    • John-117

      So this fictional american Taliban is going to bring us back to an age of horse drawn wagons and steam engines?

      March 14, 2012 at 1:14 am | Report abuse |
      • RillyKewl

        It goes back to your old plan of keeping us barefoot + pregnant. Yes.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:29 am | Report abuse |
      • DaveLaz

        Well, that would help us - and the polar bears - out with global warming.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:56 am | Report abuse |
  100. SurRy

    Unwanted va$inal penetration is the definition of rape.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:03 am | Report abuse |
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