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Hispanics spell out why labels don't fit
April 4th, 2012
12:01 AM ET

Hispanics spell out why labels don't fit

By Mariano Castillo and Moni Basu, CNN

(CNN) - Public debate is raging over how to describe George Zimmerman, the man who admitted shooting unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin. Is he Hispanic? Or white? Or both? Should his identity even be raised in the news?

Amid the whirlwind of controversy comes a new survey about why the label "Hispanic" doesn't always fit those it attempts to describe.

A majority of Hispanics or Latinos don't fully embrace those terms; instead, they most often identify themselves by their family's country of origin, said a Pew Hispanic Center study released Wednesday.

The report used the two terms Hispanic and Latino interchangeably, but Latino is often preferred by many because it is more inclusive, said Allert Brown-Gort, associate director of the Institute for Latino Studies at Notre Dame University. Latino includes everyone from Latin America while Hispanic - descended from a Spanish-speaking land or culture - may not.

It has been almost four decades since Hispanic and Latino surfaced in the cultural language of the United States. The federal government mandated them to categorize Americans who traced their roots to Spanish-speaking countries.

But the Pew survey found that only 24% of Hispanics prefer a pan-ethnic label like Hispanic or Latino. A majority - 51% - said they use national identity.

Carmen George, a business owner in Marietta, Georgia, who emigrated from Mexico 26 years ago, accepts the usage of "Hispanic." But she doesn't like it.

"I do not consider myself Hispanic," she said, explaining that the term does not exist where she's from.

"In Mexico, there are no Hispanics. In the Dominican Republic, there are no Hispanics. In Chile, there are no Hispanics. In Mexico, there are Mexicans; in the Dominican Republic, Dominicans; and in Chile, Chileans," she said.

George is among the 51% of Latinos who, when filling out official forms that ask about race, answer "other."

She has almost lived equal amounts of time in Mexico and the United States and feels a strong loyalty to both, she said.

The Pew survey found that 95% of Hispanics found it very important or somewhat important for future generations to be able to speak Spanish.

George's business, De Colors Spanish Bookstore, offers Spanish classes to all ages, though she has a different reason for advocating Spanish. She teaches Spanish for the intellectual benefits of speaking two languages more than for cultural purposes, she said.

Of the 1,220 Latino adults surveyed in all 50 states and Washington, D.C., 82% said they speak Spanish. Language was one of their strong shared connections.

Culture, on the other hand, was not.

By a ratio of more than two-to-one (69% versus 29%), those surveyed said Latinos in the United States have many different cultures rather than a common culture.

"It took me 10 years to understand that I was Hispanic," said Brown-Gort, who grew up in Mexico and didn't understand the U.S. categorization.

"The reality is we as human beings have multiple identities," he said.

Sometimes Brown-Gort identifies himself as Latino. Other times, the native Mexican who has lived in Indiana for 13 years says he's a Hoosier. When he travels abroad, he might call himself an American.

The U.S. Census Bureau introduced the question about Hispanic origin in 1970. A version of it has been asked ever since, and the responses are based on an individual's self-identification.

The latest census in 2010 counted 50 million of America's 300 million people as Hispanic. Mexicans are the largest group, at almost 21 million people, followed by Puerto Ricans with nearly 5 million and Cubans with more than 1 million.

About half of those in the Pew poll considered themselves to be very different from the typical American. Only 21% said they use the term American most often to describe their identity.

U.S.-born Hispanics expressed a stronger sense of affinity with other Americans than with immigrant Hispanics, a trait that is perhaps true of all ethnic groups.

Questions of identity are most salient in regions near the U.S.-Mexico border, where two cultures, languages and customs blend.

In the border city of Laredo, Texas, a passerby or drive-thru operator is more likely to greet a stranger in Spanish than English.

Border residents here don't equivocate when it comes to how they identify themselves, said Xochitl Mora, a Laredo resident who works for the city.

She didn't grow up in Laredo and prefers to identify as a Mexican-American, "but most around here say just Mexican."

"Here it's different, because people identify absolutely with their Mexican roots," she said.

But most are very proud to be American, too.

The city holds one of the largest and most festive Washington's Birthday celebrations in the country.

"It's a very interesting dynamic because people here almost have two psyches - their Mexican half and their American half," Mora said.

As for Zimmerman's identity, many Americans said that his race was raised simply to frame the story of Trayvon Martin's shooting in racial terms. Zimmerman's mother is from Peru, and he identifies himself as Hispanic, which says nothing about a person's race, but he was at first labeled a white Hispanic by some media outlets, including CNN.

Most Hispanics in the Pew survey did not see themselves fitting into the standard racial categories used by the U.S. Census Bureau. Just more than half - 51% - of Latinos identified themselves as "some other race" or volunteered "Hispanic/Latino." Another 36% said they were white, and 3% said they were black.

"I've written about the thorny subjects of race and ethnicity for nearly a quarter century, and I rarely hear this term," columnist Ruben Navarrette Jr. wrote on CNN.com about referring to Zimmerman as a white Hispanic.

"We might have been able to see this coming given that there is no Hispanic race and Hispanics come in all colors."

soundoff (698 Responses)
  1. DSBsky

    Ruben, all you EVER do is write about race. The more you talk, the more racist you prove yourself to be..

    April 4, 2012 at 10:47 am | Report abuse |
  2. oolala

    BTW you know how the US is made up of people from different countries and races? All of Latin America looks the same. It's offensive to put them all under one label. They are all unique countries made up of people who are proud of their heritage.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
  3. Jane

    so, I take it your KKK meeting did not go well last night huh??????????? 😉

    April 4, 2012 at 10:43 am | Report abuse |
  4. oolala

    I could have written this myself. The US love their dumb labels in their census and businesses in their applications. They are backward and offensive. Of course most "Latinos" describe themselves as being from the country their family was from and not that silly label. Imagine if there was a made up label describing people from Ireland, Australian, US because they were once controlled by the British? A Cuban doesn't equal a Bolivian doesn't equal a Dominican. Here's a novel idea why doesn't this country get away from labeling people and chopping them up into groups? Everytime I read "Hispanics" will be the majority in the US in a few years, it makes me want to hurl. The Media is guilty for spreading ignorance about ethnicity vs race when it comes to being "Latino".

    April 4, 2012 at 10:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Ed

      It really is not a slight by the media to use the word but a broader term to describe all Spanish( any Latin American country) speaking people who for the most part share language, religion, surnames and certain other customs Latinos embrace. So when the media states Hispanics are on the verge of becoming the largest group in America by 2050, they are referring to any people here who are from Latin America. Culture and customs has nothing to do with it. The terms Latino, Hispanic or X- American are interchangeable but not insulting nor exclusionary.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
    • oolala

      Most people aren't insulted about their heritage so it's not perceived it as a slight. The Media creates this made up group to increase numbers so they can ignorantly compare them to actual races: white, black and Asian. There are shared histories with all European countries yet we don't say Italian=German=British, we describe them by the country they are from. Everyone in the world seems to recognize the countries in South America as individuals, it's time for the US to catch up.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
      • Ed

        Also, " Everyone in the world seems to recognize the countries in South America as individuals, it's time for the US to catch up."
        We are not everyone else. We are America. We do things how we would prefer.

        April 4, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ming

        You mean SOME Americans. The more educated Americans become the more they realize how ignorant and backward these labels are. I love our country but they need to get it together and stop with the racist and divisive none sense.

        April 4, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • oolala

        How we prefer is divisive and ignorant. Feeding Americans bad and inaccurate info doesn't help our country. People who believe these labels can be manipulated easier, it's all about control.

        April 4, 2012 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Think First.

    The reason why labels dont fit because there are VASTLY different ethnicities within "Latin" American countries. Mexicans are ethnically, and culturally different from Puerto Ricans and they look and sound nothing alike. The U.S. Government (and as a result, much of the American public) has always been too near-sighted to see any different, yet most of the Europeans I've met (who live thousands of miles away)are fully aware of the differences. Its truly embarrasing.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
    • oolala

      Other countries do not use those silly "Hispanic, Latino" labels. They say, that person is Cuban, Bolivian, etc...

      April 4, 2012 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
      • Laquetetenhi

        We're not other countries, we're America, and in our siloed little world, it is the way it should be! LMAO

        April 4, 2012 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
  6. Morris

    Every individual, regardless of skin color, should be allowed to identify their country of origin or their ancestors' country of origin when capturing the true demographics of our country. Beyond that, logic would dictate the following:

    If you are a citizen of this country then you are an American.

    If you celebrate dual citizenship, then you are -American.

    If you are not a citizen of this country but you are in the system and protected by the laws of this country, you are -American.

    If you are not a citizen of this country and you are not in the system, you are .

    April 4, 2012 at 10:35 am | Report abuse |
  7. No SideStepping

    And what about the Italians? They are also LATIN by origin. They however, do not use the "o" at the end of Latin. In fact, most Italians, though they are clearly Latins do not seem to embrace that fact. Have they forgotten their true roots? They tend to emulate whites instead and often change their names to make it sound more Anglo. Seems to me someone should bring that out from now on! The Italian's language and even culture very closely resembles Spanish in most instances. They both use "Si!" for "Yes!" and the rest of the language is so incredible comparable with Spanish it is unreal. As for outer looks, the Italian's skin tone also closely resembles that of most Mexicans and Hispanics. So, again, for the sake of parity, we need to acknowledge the Latin in Italians and not try to side-step the issue here.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Laquetetenhi

      No, they're not Latin by origin, since Latin is a language. Hence your own point as to why they don't embrace it.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:35 am | Report abuse |
      • Capitan Justicia

        Both Italians and Spaniards descend from the Roman empire.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
      • JF

        Actually that's not true. The Latins, were an ethnic group who lived in modern day south central Italy around Rome. It is from this group, who eventually settled and founded Rome, that we owe the beginings of the Latin language. Italian formed from it, and local dialects eventually formed (Spanish, French, Portuguese, etc). So to be technical, the Latin people were originally from modern day Italy.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
      • NYC1972

        Google the meaning of being Latin knucklehead, it's basically the countries boarding the Med Sea which happens to be the roman empire – so you dead wrong and typical ignorant fool.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
      • Laquetetenhi

        @ JF – Hence my point. Latin originated from these people, not the other way around. In other words, would you refer to a person from Ireland as English, simply becuase, well, he/she speaks English?

        @ NYC1972 – I am not sure if you were replying to my post or JF's, but to your point, I guess we can put Syria in Turkey in the pot, since they border the Med Sea.

        April 4, 2012 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
      • Richard

        Italian is a Romance language which is derived from Latin (Not Spanish Latin but the root language of all Romance languages). Do your homework before you make a definitive statement.

        April 4, 2012 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
      • Laquetetenhi

        @ Richard – If you referring to me, I can say with certainty that it is a fact that 'Latin' is a language. Indeed, the language that is primarily spoken in Italy – Italian, if you want to call it that – has Latin as its roots, very much like Catalan, Castellano, etc. So I am not sure what your point is, frankly. Spanish is not a language, it is a label referring to Spain. How do you like that for facts?

        April 4, 2012 at 11:15 am | Report abuse |
    • soca

      hmm... need a hug?

      April 4, 2012 at 10:37 am | Report abuse |
    • oolala

      Italy was part of the Spanish empire is that why you are describing them as Hispanic? In that case you wouldn't be completely wrong. The Spanish controlled many countries, but by the ignorant "Hispanic" label and standard that would include a large chunk of the world because they controlled so much territory.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Leo1331730

      First of all, Latin America has nothing to do with the Latins. The term Latin America was wrongly given to the region by Napoleon in order to group the entire region and just give it a name. Since the majority of the countries were colonized by Spain and Portugal the correct name should have been Ibero America, after the Iberian Peninsula. I really don't understand what Italians have to do with this. You might be confusing the fact that Spanish and Italian are both romance languages with roots in Latin. There really is no other connection.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
  8. NorCalMojo

    I think we should refer to all chronically offended ethnic groups as "they-who-would-be-offended-if-we-used-their-name"

    April 4, 2012 at 10:30 am | Report abuse |
    • SilverBack

      Only a white guy would say that!

      April 4, 2012 at 10:41 am | Report abuse |
      • Dave

        So!

        April 4, 2012 at 10:49 am | Report abuse |
      • Guest

        racist much?

        April 4, 2012 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
      • But why?

        But why do you lump all "white" people together? They're culturally and ethnically diverse. They don't all look the same... well they do to me; I have a hard time telling them apart.

        April 4, 2012 at 11:03 am | Report abuse |
      • Moiphy

        But why.........I have the same trouble with asians and blacks. Isn't that funny?

        April 4, 2012 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
  9. kemc2k6

    I'm a Salvadoreño

    April 4, 2012 at 10:30 am | Report abuse |
  10. skog

    The only ones having trouble with labeling is CNN. They can't figure out how to keep the black vote for Obama without alienating him from the latino, hispanic or Mexican vote.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
  11. NorCalMojo

    PC puritans have always liked to play games with semantics. In the 80's the terms we were supposed to use kept changing. At one point it was considered racist to use the word black. It's just cheap rhetoric and a way to avoid rational debate.

    The media's use of white-hispanic in the Trayvon story was just more of the games. Now, when it's no longer convenient, surprise surprise, it's become offensive again.

    Playing games.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
  12. Rob Kozik

    Latino's, or whatever, want to be labeled when it works to their advantage. Only when it's something negative do they not want to be labeled. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Think First.

      If only the world worked as simply as it does in your mind.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
    • More American than you

      My family history has been traced to the same area back to the 1600's, before the area became The United States of America, I am mixed, one side Spanish that came to survey and conquer the land with a grant from Spanish royalty and the other side, clearly of a descent that is native to the land.

      If a label is needed to give me and my children benefits that we deserve and have previoulsy been denied because we aren't white immigrants to this land, than so be it.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
      • Guest

        again another racist comment.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
      • Franklin

        What benefits that you "deserve?" Are we talking about the basic treatment all Americans should get, regardless of their color or nationality? Or are we talking about you being treated poorly because of your heritage, and now want to use the labels you don't like to get what you "deserve?" I understand the history of discrimination in this country, but not everything is "deserved" or warrented beyond being treated fairly going forward. Anything else is considered "reparations" and good luck with that. By the way, discrimination happens in all countries towards the lesser-empowered and the ones not like who ever is in charge. Look at the treatment of indiginous peoples in Mexico or the measurement of how much non-native blood you have in parts of South America. Or the amount of distance someone from sub-Sahara Africa will try to put between them and their "brother" African-Americans born and raised in Atlanta or New York. Yeah.....skin color isn't everything folks, but culture is the great seperator of peoples everytime.

        April 4, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
  13. CTF

    Many Latinos from New Mexico identify themselves, first, as New Mexican because they do not originate from Latin America but their families have lived in New Mexico since their Spaniard ancestors arrived more than 400 years ago. Some will identify themselves as American of Spanish descent, but I don't fully embrace that label, considering that my family is 400 years removed from Spain, and I do not have a current affiliation with Spanish culture. New Mexicans, by self-definition, are a very interesting subgroup within the Hispanic community because of our detachment from Spain and every other Spanish-speaking country, and, thus, our detachment from any particular nation, except the United States. It creates a very interesting dynamic, and I always feel like I do not fit into any of the categories on ethnic surveys.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
    • ZannyTheNanny

      The same term American is idiotic, there is no country called America, There is only the American continent then anyone who was born in the American continent is an American. This idiotic labeling, naming crap, comes from a long time ago. Well, go do your own research I'm tired of trying to illuastrate ignorant people.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
      • CTF

        I agree, there is ignorance and Egotism involved in using the term "American" to identify people from the United States. That is why I prefer the term, "New Mexican". It not only identifies the state I am from but indicates my pride of originating from the place to which my family migrated almost 500 years ago. Not all Spaniards in the New World were Conquistadors, but many were actually Jewish "Coversos" who were escaping persecution.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:40 am | Report abuse |
      • Michael

        Actually....no. The term "American" in reference to citizens of the United States is not wrong in any sort of way as it is the only country to have the term America. The obvious choice of term to describe citizens of the country would be Americans. It's just an intentional happenstance of the continents/overall landmass combined being America. If you don't agree with citizens of the United States being called Americans then the United States of AMERICA needs to change it's name....but that in itself would be ridiculous.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:49 am | Report abuse |
      • CTF

        I just meant that the term "American" can be easily taken out of context due to ignorance or egotism. We are all "Americans" in the United States, and I am not ashamed to use that label. Thank you for your feedback. I should have been more clear in my comment.

        April 4, 2012 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
    • MRR

      CTF, I know exactly what you mean. My family is from New Mexico and has lived there for generations. Most of us with long-standing familiar roots in New Mexico are of mixed Hispanic/Anglo/Native American blood. What am I ethnically? Am I Hispanic even though I have no connection with any Spanish-speaking country and can't even speak Spanish myself? I'm an English-speaker, a proud native-born US citizen and I have an Anglo surname. Does that make me white in spite of my dark complexion, black hair and brown eyes? Like most people whose families originate in the Rio Grande Valley, I'm of mixed Hispanic/Anglo heritage. So what am I? (That's a rhetorical question.)

      April 4, 2012 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      No problem. I'm just a stickler for word usage as words with improper usage ca ndrastically change what someone's intent seems to be. No ill will whatsoever.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Ed

      In other words, you're American!!!

      April 4, 2012 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
  14. larry

    I wonder,,,,If George Zimmermen were awarded the Nobel Prize would the media be so eager to label him as a "White" Hispanic?

    April 4, 2012 at 10:23 am | Report abuse |
  15. Chandler

    The Author of this Story is an Idiot and She/He can't even fact check her own dam News Organization.

    CNN – FIRST identified Zimmerman as being WHITE....Check your Dam facts next time. Then CNN Labeled Zimmerman as a Light Skinned Hispanic....Check your Dam Facts Next Time.....Then CNN Labeled Zimmerman as a White Hispanic....Check Your Dam Facts Next TIme. Now Zimmerman is labeled a Hispanic.

    Would Obama be first called White, then a Light Skinned Black, then a White Black Man, and then a Black Man....because evidently both Obama and Zimmerman have the same amount of "Whiteness" in them.

    Get your facts straight and stop trying to spin stories which divide the races.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:20 am | Report abuse |
    • Moiphy

      Ok let"s straighten it out. Obama is a mulato POS, Zimmerman is a different kind of mutt with the law on his side. CLear?

      April 4, 2012 at 10:58 am | Report abuse |
  16. mike

    FIRST OF ALL, Hispanic is not a race!!!, it's a culture, i'm white and i'm from Ecuador, my ancestors are from Europe, the color of my skin is white, the same as any descendant from europe that lives in the U.S.

    Just think...if a couple from UK moves to the the US and has a baby and another one moves to Mexico and has a baby, does it mean that one baby is white and the other one is not???

    What about if a Chinese immigrant has a baby in Colombia??? he's latino/hispanic? NO!!, he's ASIAN!

    What about blacks that are from Latin America? are they hispanic or black??

    Hispanic is NOT A RACE!!, it's a culture!!, thus the same as in the U.S. there are blacks, whites, asians that are born in Latin America!!

    One last thing, when you say AMERICANS, you are including CANADA AND MEXICO!!! AMERICA is the CONTINENT, NOT THE COUNTRY OF THE U.S.

    I swear, it's not that difficult!!...U.S.needs to come out of the shell and realize that they are just one country!!!

    April 4, 2012 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Chandler

      Mike,

      The Government has a Forumla which determines who and what you are. Take a look at who qualifies as an Indian....you can be 1/64th Cherokee and still be called in an indian.

      Unfortuantly, too many people in this US, just call Hispanic people Mexican. So you might find out that you are actually mexican in the Eyes of America.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:28 am | Report abuse |
      • Embrace Who You Are

        Chandler, if what you are saying is based on fact, then all the more reason why the vast majority of Hispanics who identify with being White should move to change those rules in order to embrace their White heritage! Hispanics, it's high time to CLAIM your White heritage that you were born with! It is yours by birth! Do not allow anyone to try to change that for any political reason or to fit into a social stereotype. You fully deserve to embrace your White heritage therefore, move to do so before some try to take it away from you!

        April 4, 2012 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      Solid post, but you are wrong on one thing. When people say "America" and refer to the US, THAT is wrong. When people say "Americans", it can technically refer to anyone from the continents OR just the US as the USA is the United States of AMERICA. We don't call ourselve United Statesians. That would be stupid. Americans is the proper term to use.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:37 am | Report abuse |
    • oolala

      Completely agree with your comment. The use of these silly labels is more about politics not about Science.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
  17. Texmex

    So if I emigrated to US from Mexico I am a Mexican-American? And if I was born on US soil from Mexican-American parents am I then American-Mexican? lol at the end of the day I'm a Texan – American.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:14 am | Report abuse |
    • SA Gal

      I agree. My great grandparents came from Mexico. I am a 3rd generation Texan/American. I am a Texan. I am an American. I don't speak Spanish & identify with American culture more than Mexican culture. My husband is white & our kids are just Americans like we are. I think from now on I will check the "other" box too like the lady in the article b/c the other choices don't fit who I am ~ North American Indian & European mixed American.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Chandler

      Really....what ever you have to tell youself when you go to bed at night. But as soon as you leave your house in the morning...you are back to being Mexican.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
  18. Kenneth the VI of Minneapolis (formerly from Georgia)

    Racist linguistics is nothing new....

    April 4, 2012 at 10:12 am | Report abuse |
  19. Thomas Jefferson

    All member of the media, especially CNN should be hung for treason for the racial damage they are doing to this country. Everyday they try to spin this Trayvon Martin shooting into a racewar and it needs to stop.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Doris Watson

      No we are not the most racist-our people have been murdered, had our labor stolen and people are still benefiting from that. We had no protected voting rights until 1965, have you ever heard of peonage? If you haven't heard of it look it up, there were blacks held captive on work farms in the south until the 1940's. The truth is just the truth I love my country but we have been mistreated by the ones in power.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:32 am | Report abuse |
  20. gerald

    actually labels fit quite nice, and usually are spot on as i see it

    April 4, 2012 at 10:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Laquetetenhi

      I agree with you, Gerald. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it either. Which is why, I coined a new label for you; it is 'Ellisander'.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
  21. Kat Fud

    "U.S.-born Hispanics expressed a stronger sense of affinity with other Americans than with immigrant Hispanics, a trait that is perhaps true of all ethnic groups."

    My ancestors got here in the mid 1500's, long before most mainstream "Americans". We're hardly fresh off the boat, unlike those Mayflower freeloaders. So though we are of spaniard descent, we have nothing to do with today's border crossers. We are the genealogical hipster crowd – we were in America before Americans got here. And now the media wants to label US as immigrants? Go back to Ellis Island you 19th century losers.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:04 am | Report abuse |
    • ZannyTheNanny

      I agree this most European immigrant losers breed wants to come and dictate what is good or bad or define other groups, part of their stupidity and arrogance. They should pack themselve into their uterus mother's and iteratively and go back to their miserable little countries with Kings, Queens and all the Kraap. I should label the as Euridiotics.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Army Vet

        I believe you have labeled us that all over these threads. My question for both you and Kat Fud is what about me?

        I'm part of that Spanish descent Kat Fud talked about, also have Seminole (Native American), AND I'm part Irish as well. I also consider myself American. Now since American, the word in common useage, is used to describe the citizens of the United States of America I also use that to describe myself. Whether or not it originated out of arrogance or not is a moot point now, it is what it is. As I am who, I am.

        So I'll ask again, am I a "Mayflower Freeloader" (or Euridiotics), a Spanaird, or "Native American." Or is it you just enjoy trolling, cause you like to argue and make moot points. Like "we were in America before Americans got here" cause Kat, so were the Seminoles, how's that for arrogance?

        April 4, 2012 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Scrappy

      Agree. The #1 perpetrator in racism is the US Government with their insistence on categorizing people. If you are born in the US, you are American. Personally, If I was Black, I would be offended with the African-American label. According to the US Government, I am Hispanic but on those forms with that silly question, I answer other and enter 'Texan'. Take that.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
  22. woodsa1

    I say that because if you don't wanna claim your self as an American, then you don't wanna be here.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
  23. woodsa1

    What's wrong with calling them Mexicans!

    April 4, 2012 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Laquetetenhi

      Why? Because Mexico is a Country, tool; you wouldn't call a person from the UK 'Englishman or Englishwoman', would you? Well, actually, don't answer that. Based on your ignorant comment, you might actually call a person from the UK an Englishman or Englishwoman.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:05 am | Report abuse |
      • gerald

        Im from Ca, all the Mexicans are here, not Mexico

        April 4, 2012 at 10:10 am | Report abuse |
  24. Laquetetenhi

    The discussions and this article are all equally ignorant. This whole thing about Spanish, Hispanic and Latino ARE misnomers. Why? Well, it is very simple. First of all, Hispanic is a word that comes from Hispania, which was essentially what is Spain today; but during the Roman empire it was called Hispania. Spanish is akeen to people from Spain, since IT IS NOT ACTUALLY A LANGUAGE. Very much like you might call someone from England, well, an Englishman/woman (you wouldn't actually called someone from the UK an Englishperson, would you?). In fact, in Spain there are different languages; for instance, in Barcelona they speak Catalan, while in Madrid they speak Catellano. The latter, which is actually what many ignorant people here called Spanish. So when someone asks, 'do you speak Spanish'? Possibly, I could speak all of the languages from Spain, but very unlikely. I might answer that I speak Catellano. So, this brings us to the last one: Latino, another misnomer here. Latino is the translation for Latin in Castellano, which last I understood, it is a language not an ethinicity nor race. Hell, I don't even know why they call some Americans – yes, you read it right, America isn't only the US, it is the entire continent, stupid – Latinos. This 'language' isn't even spoken – I'll be very suprised if taught, still – in South, Central or N. America as its primary language. So, there you have it, all of it a mischaracterization of a group of people. I will tell you another secret, though; there are different races in South and Central America. Lastly, biggots without a civil reason/argument, please do not bother to respond.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Michelle

      Thank YOU! Finally, someone speaks the TRUTH and FACTS. It's a wonder this piece was allowed to be published, it's a shame people get their education from CNN.com. But you just gave me hope there are intelligent people on CNN commentary.
      All these people claiming to be "American", with no clue U.S.A. is part of the America's.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:20 am | Report abuse |
    • skidder

      Debate it as you will,but regardless of you look at it, I suspect whatever dialect you want to call it, in whatever country it's spoken, it more than likely originated in Spain, or "Hispania". "Whites" have been "White" or "Caucasian" as long as I can remember and not a second thought is given to identifying us as anything other. It's rather petty to get bent out of shape over a category on a form. No one is insulting anyone. I swear if some people had their way, we'd have over 200 boxes to check to identify each country out there, then people would complain there are too many and they aren't sure which ones to check. Next there's the issue of trying to figure out how to make the data meaningful.

      All too often, it seems people get bent out of shape about what term is used for the sake of avoiding association with something bad. Take the recent murder of the teen. No one wants to be associated with him and everyone is quick to point out he's "not one of us". At the same time, when it comes to racism, everyone points at the "whites". Which whites? Don't look at "my people". We didn't have slaves in my family tree and aren't racist. Must be the other whites.

      Get over it folks. Look at the individual as responsible for themselves. Leave the forms alone, and quit taking life so damn seriously. If your skin is that thin (no offense to people who don't consider their skin thin because it's at least .15" thick), where you're offended by a word next to a box, then I feel bad for you.. Imagine the hell it is for people with a strong Scandanavian heritage in northern states having to be called "white" all these years. Crap.... Now I'm offended. People in Alaska call us "southerners" and now I'm being thrown right back into the slavery mix.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Person of Interest

      Do we really have to be that specific, when talking to a person? I don't know you, you don't know me. Until we get to know eachother all we have are the generalizations we can make from first sight, sound, etc. I'm not saying ignorance gives you the right to be a bigot, but I don't get ticked when people ask if I'm Russian because of the "ski" in my last name (I reply no, I'm Polish with a bit of Irish mixed in).

      Its about learning about people. You start with a broad generalization than as you learn more you can get more specific. You want to get that technical that there are different dialects of Spanish, technically USA doesn't actually speak English because the dialect is a bit different than how UK English is used. But why be that @nal about it? (Note: That was NOT rhetorical, but feel free to respond).

      April 4, 2012 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
  25. Coolbreeze

    I started reading the article, but then it got BORING! As long as the whities don't call me mexican I'm Okay with it. Call me Latino, Hispanic whatever but don't categorize everyone as mexicans

    April 4, 2012 at 9:50 am | Report abuse |
    • ZannyTheNanny

      hahaha you come from a little bug country and becasue of the ignorance of the US people calling you mexican it hurt your pride of being little bug country nationality. Let in go and leave in peace mate.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
      • Coolbreeze

        O.K, Rata.. How is that border fence jumping lately?

        April 4, 2012 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Coolbreeze

      Okay, RATA..

      April 4, 2012 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Person of Interest

      I agree. I say hispanic all the time. I'm white (which I guess due to this article I should want to be called Irish/Polish American, or just a mut) but I have alot of Spanish/S. American family members. One of the towns by us has a heavy Mexican-American population. My family hates to be called Mexican and the Mexicans don't like to be called Spanish. Their ancestors are all from the central Americas so what's wrong with Latin American, Latino, Hispanic?

      Not all European ethinicities/cultures are the same, same as Central Americas. We use the term White for European and Hispanic for Central American. Either way, we are American that should be were our loyalty lies. I'm not loyal to Ireland or Poland; Proud of my history and my ancestors, but pride and loyalty are two different sides of the same coin.

      I have a friend from the Army that had ancestors considered "Pacific Islander", Asian, and White (he was from Hawaii). What does that make him? Heinze 57?

      April 4, 2012 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
  26. Rick

    If Obama gets elected again all this will be mute. America will become a socialist, Muslim, Spanish speaking country. Maybe it will be called the United States of Mexico, where Allah is king and you'll be killed for drawing pictures of the prophet Obama.

    That's where we're headed folks.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:38 am | Report abuse |
    • ann west

      🔴 wow, both crazy and pathetic

      April 4, 2012 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
      • Rick

        Time will tell.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
      • Jane

        Poor Anne........you must be so scared! You poor thing, you! you are an idiot.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
    • Stop the B.S.

      Settle down Santorum. I think you are overexaggerating.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
      • Rick

        I'm not for Santorum either. I'm just looking at the facts of how the country has changed and how Obama is catering to and bowing to everyone right now. Just wait to see what happens next term if he's reelected.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Coolbreeze

      Ann West: You beat me to it... I think someone forgot their meds!

      April 4, 2012 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
      • Rick

        Just keep watching.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
      • ana

        Rick, empty mind devils house, get a job, stop watching faux news, everything will be ok, even if Obama elected 10 times, our country will be the same.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Coolbreeze

      Rick the only bowing his doing is to the american people, don't you see that?

      April 4, 2012 at 9:51 am | Report abuse |
      • Rick

        Apparently you can't use the names of foreign countries on this post without being blocked. So I'll put it this way. I didn't know that the leaders of other countries were American. my bad.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
    • politicallyinsurrect

      Yes Obama is a socialist because he does everything to protect the upper class just like every other president. And he's muslim because he goes to Christian churches, celebrates Christmas, and does absolutely nothing to help muslim and middle easterner rights.

      And this whole article is completely irrelevant to the Trayvon Martin shooting. I've known latinos who were more racist towards black people than any white person I've ever known. The issue isn't the shooter's race; it's the victim's. There are even black people who are racist against blacks – look at Herman Caine and Michael Steele. And even the victim's race isn't the biggest issue of the case. The victim seems to have been racially profiled, then stalked (against the direction of the 911 dispatcher), and then shot dead. Whether your white, black, latino, or other, the appropriate reaction when someone who is not a badge-carrying police officer or federal agent starts chasing you down – is to run and/or defend yourself. And Trayvon got shot for it.

      If I was working as an unofficial "internal affairs" to monitor and judge the behavior of neighborhood watch members, and one of them started running from me, does that give me the right to confront them, and then shoot them if they resist?

      April 4, 2012 at 9:55 am | Report abuse |
      • Rick

        I didn't say Obama was a Muslim. I said he's catering to them. He's trying to pass the health care bill so that those who can't afford it, or don't want to have to work, can have free health care on the tax payers. Doesn't sound like catering to the rich in this case. He's strongly against having english as a mandatory language, instead we have to read through all the Spanish to find the information that we want to read.

        Obama has no problem with letting illegals from every nation come into the country through Mexico because Mexico is far enough away from him that he knows he won't be shot at like Giffords was. Just watch and see what happens if he's reelected. A whole new country will emerge.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:14 am | Report abuse |
      • Seriously ?

        Ah, satire from the left, how refreshing.
        You know, there is an old saying somewhere that you "call a commui$t a communi$t". Obama is past socialist. Read his books, look at his friends and mentors. Enough said.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:18 am | Report abuse |
    • You're an idiot

      Your level of stupidity is overwhelming.....................

      April 4, 2012 at 9:55 am | Report abuse |
      • Rick

        Just wait and see.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:05 am | Report abuse |
    • xab

      I wish you were "mute". (Note the correct spelling is moot).

      April 4, 2012 at 9:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Hammertime

      Rick, it's good to know we have a President in the White House who wants to be part of the world, not ruler of the world.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
      • Laquetetenhi

        @Rick – Sorry, but there's already a country called United States of Mexico. Well, it is actually called 'United Mexican States'. You'll have to think of another name, tool. My gosh, no wondering why this country is going in the toilette. It is because of the amount of ignorants.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:23 am | Report abuse |
    • g

      LOL the sky is falling the sky is falling!

      April 4, 2012 at 10:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Jane

      and, boy........I know you and the rest of the racist white people and some racist black people are SCARED! LMAO!

      April 4, 2012 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
    • ricky

      There is already a country called United States of Mexico. It's MEXICO (for short) ! Look it up dummy before you look like an idiot to the whole world.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:20 am | Report abuse |
    • ZannyTheNanny

      You are very creative you should write some novel or something, I'm sure stones and rocks will enjoy your creativity.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
    • D Watson

      Nonsense

      April 4, 2012 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Think First.

      First of all, you're dead wrong. Second, assuming it meant you'd as a result live a much better happier life, what could possibly be wrong with that? Ignorance = Fear!

      April 4, 2012 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
  27. dc3219

    The current labels are so inaccurate and useless. Honestly it would be more appropriate to label our skin color and the last country our ancestors lived in before living in the United State, than the way labels work right now.

    I really agree with those that say the entire label idea, divides us more than unites our country.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:37 am | Report abuse |
  28. Bill

    I have a radical idea. Why don't you identify yourself as an American? If you immigrated to the USA, became a citizen and are enjoying the fruits of liberty and prosperity that come from living here, call yourself such and show some pride.

    I'm not saying forget where you or your ancestor's came from. Keep cultural traditions alive, since that is part of what makes America the melting pot. The problem is that we are not melting. We are staying segregated by labels, by geography, and mostly by our own minds.

    What sickens me even more at those that never lived in another country, they were born and raised here in the USA, yet the first thing they identify with is a place they have never lived nor, in some cases, ever even visited.

    My ancestors came, equally, from England and from Germany. My grandfather spoke German. That was many decades ago. He learned English, since it was the predominant language, went to work and raised a family. I have never been to Germany or England, though I would like to visit someday. I am an American.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Criolla

      My family came to the Americas in 1500, sent by the Castillian Crown, my ancestors were leaders in the wars for Independence, I became a proud citizen of the USA by choice, not by need , I do not take fro granted our freedoms and democracy . Call me American do not give a label that my ancestor fought against.
      I am proud of my roots, my heritage, my family , but my children and their children have their roots here.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
      • William

        You make a very interesting point. Just as many Americans have European roots in France, UK, Germany, Italy, your are from Spain. I've always wondered why many Hispanic/Latinos don't see themselves as European...instead seeing South America as the "mother country".

        April 4, 2012 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
      • Bill

        Well said.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
    • BillD

      Succinct and very well said. Could not have been said better.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Sam Houston

      What about identifying ourselves as human? Would that be a derogatory term? (Although many today prefer to act and react as animals) Having to identify race and nationality divides the world of mankind. Differences in skin color, hair, food, etc, all contribute to making life interesting and enjoyable. Acts 10:34,35

      April 4, 2012 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Al

      My parents came to this country in the late 60s from Burma and China (via Taiwan). I am bilingual (Mandarin was my first language) and was raised with a lot of Chinese tradition and I still appreciate my family's ancestral culture. I consider myself American and totally ready to fight and die for it.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:55 am | Report abuse |
    • NKM

      Well said, Bill. When my grandparents came here, they did so to get away from the European way. They would be appalled to see that so many Americans are rushing like children with outstretched arms to embrace the very things that they came here to escape. But to the original topic, they never, ever referred to themselves as a citizen of their country of origin. They became Americans, and were proud to say it.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Lyuba Mavrodieva

      Very well put! I am from Bulgaria and have lived for a while all over Europe before I came here. I absolutely agree with your idea, but the problem is that USA has the policy of profiling the people lile that. Everywhere else in the world there are only 4 races – black, white, yellow and red – but here for some reason you can pick from 20 different races. US needs to change the way in which it is profiling the people. I would go all the way with you about claiming myself as American or foreign alien till I get my citizenship. And if we want to make the melting pot working, I think it is high time we delete that number 1 option on all automated phone systems for Spanish. We live in US. We learn English because this is the official language here and we speak English. I have had cases when Hispanics tell me I need to learn Spanish (I am from Florida) and that is a complete nonsense. I have never asked anybody if they speak Bulgarian when I go to the grocery store, but they do it all the time and get frustrated if you speak THE Official language of this country.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Miriam

      Finally, the right answer! I totally agree with Bill. Also, "Hispanics", people from spanish speaking countries are not just from one race. Ever wonder why a lot of hispanics look different? That is because people from spanish speaking countries are mixed with european (Spaniards, for example) and indigenouas people, such as Mayan. That is the term "Mestizo". Mestizo is a term traditionally used in Latin America and Spain for people of mixed heritage or descent. Yet others are dark, because they are of two or more races. Quote from Wikipedia on the meaning of "Meztizo"->"In Central America intermixing and intermarriages between European men and the indigenous women in Cuzcatlán or what is now El Salvador happened almost immediately after the arrival of the European Spanish led by Pedro de Alvarado." Defition of American-A person or attribute of one of the nations of the Americas, but it is 2012!! We are mixed in America. From now on you are an American with the same rights.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
    • JJ1121

      Well said... I agree with you 100%. I am an american.. My ancestors are from Puerto Rico. They came to the U.S in 1947.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Kachoto

      Bill, the stupid government doesn't allow us to declare ourselves as American. I am an naturalized American and EVERY time I identify myself as an American, they are really, where are you from...I have a west coast accent but here in the south it stands out, so I always tell them that I am from CA and they automatically assume I must be Mexican. I understand the government needs to keep certain stats and its methods might have worked 50 years ago but they no longer do. So if we follow your proposition we would be doing the same thing France does and since I beleive you are a true American you wouldn't our government to resemble that of Socialist France, would you? LOL< sorry, I couldn't help it, you have a point though!

      April 4, 2012 at 11:58 pm | Report abuse |
  29. justsayen27

    People in the liberal media say that the Persident is black based on apperance...FACT not oppinion is that he is bi-racial white/black. But now that Zimmerman has been found to be hispanic/white the liberal media has been trying as hard as they can to label him white which would not be based on apperance to make this a white on black hate crime! Liberals, make up your mind...do we have a half white President and a half white murderer or a black President and a hispanic murderer???

    April 4, 2012 at 9:35 am | Report abuse |
  30. Bryan

    "but he was at first labeled a white Hispanic by some media outlets, including CNN." WRONG, he was first labeled as WHITE by many media outlets, including CNN, and then he was labeled as white Hispanic. I guess the third time is the charm, right? Something else interesting about the article is the woman who stated there is no term for hispanics in Mexico. Might that be because of the lack of diversity there? Mexicans are Mexicans. Here everyone wants to break everyone down to fit into some neat racial category. It's ridiculous.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:35 am | Report abuse |
    • The Issue Here

      Bryan, if someone is Mexican, as you have said, then they are members of the White race. Plain and simple! There should be no problem with that, none whatsoever. If it was to come down to skin tone and you are seeing those Hispanics/Latinos with the more tan skin tone, then they could possibly be of a mixture with Native Americans. But the vast majority of Mexicans, for one, just as with Bolivians, Chileans, Brazilians, etc. have natural pale skin color, blond hair, blue eyes, green or hazel. Just go to Mexico and you'll see what I am talking about! Though I'm sure you've seen it plenty right here in this country as well. And the Middle Easterners, you have to remember, are also considered white though their skin tone may resemble that of some Hispanics with the Native American influence. Yet they are members of the white race also. Why no comment on them if how one looks or if skin tone is an issue for you?

      April 4, 2012 at 10:12 am | Report abuse |
  31. lethar6

    I don't understand why people are offended by a broad term. Unless you're an expert, I can't tell by looking at you whether you're Dominican or Mexican; if I went around calling everyone Mexicans, I think I would get some unkind looks headed my way. Hispanic is really the only way to broadly classify people; if you don't like broad classifications, then deal with it. XD Everyone is from somewhere else; "White" doesn't even begin to classify my ancestry. It's just broad and technically what I am. There is no need to get offended at something that isn't meant to cause offense. People are too sensitive these days.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Criolla

      Please educate yourself, I have natural red hair and blue eyes, and I am a full blooded Bolivian born, my mother was blond and very tall, we do not have any mix.do you know that we have people that look Chinese but are not? That there blacks that speak Spanish?
      One can reconize a black American and an African, where also there are white and Asian Africans.
      Also Spanish speaking people we know asap where a person is from or descendant when they speak.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:51 am | Report abuse |
    • Wineguy999

      Perhaps I can help you understand. My wife is from Argentina. Her grandparents immigrated from Italy, Germany, France and Switzerland – is she Hispanic? She grew up speaking Spanish – does that make her Hispanic, ignorant of her non-Spanish heritage? No, of course – she is Latina, being that she is from Latin America, but her heritage is pan-European.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:51 am | Report abuse |
    • crookedarm

      Well said. So nice to see the voice of reason once in awhile on these boards.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
  32. duh

    Did they at least show respect to the USA and spell it out in English?

    April 4, 2012 at 9:34 am | Report abuse |
  33. Robert

    How can we judge people by the their character rather than the color of their skin, when everytime somebody not black does something bad to a black, race is brought into it? If you commit a crime on another person, there is some hate involved. Does not matter what they look like.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:31 am | Report abuse |
  34. mg

    Oh-oh...CNN has a problem with this George Zimmerman case as it was always the 'white' conservatives against the blacks and hispanics. Now we have a hispanic male (who identified himself as a democrat) shoot a black teen and opps...it's now hispanic vs black (minority vs minority) and the story isn't as exciting anymore. The only direction they can go is to look into the racism that exists within the hispanic community against the blacks, but that would take the fun out of demonizing whites. So instead CNN labels Zimmerman 'white-hispanic.

    I love how CNN now terms Zimmerman as 'white hispanic'. Would that make Obama: 'white-black'? CNN is perpetuating racism more than any other news network.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      Amen. This is really a story about a racist and his exploiting of a stupid law.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:32 am | Report abuse |
    • Seriously ?

      Nobody wants to talk about what really caused the issue. Trayvon, being a hot headed teenager confronting someone in an inappropriate fashion. So many of todays youths lack common courtesy, manners and common sense.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
  35. ThePastaSauce

    Maybe that because in any society, ethnic background, country, religion or race – NO LABELS fit all.... Is Obama only defined as a black man – should Zimmerman only be labeled as a white or Hispanic man – NO. Maybe if you quit trying to pigeon hole and label people you might actually take a step toward ending racism.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:29 am | Report abuse |
  36. Be Proud

    The story says that George checked "other" for her race. However, if she is "Hispanic/Latino" her race would be white! The story even indicates there is no Hispanic Race. Hispanic/Latino is an Ethnicity, not a Race. While there may be people of Latin heritage who may identify with something other than white, that is their business as they know what they are. But just in general, look at any Hispanic/Latino's Birth Certificate and their RACE will be listed as White. The same goes for a person of Middle Eastern origins. That is the way it has always been like it or not. Those who would tend to not believe that can ask any state or county official in the birth certificate office. They will tell you that there is no Hispanic race and that it is just an ethnicity. Therefore the race would be white. There should be absolutely no problem with that. Why a problem? Accept it and embrace it proudly, Hispanics! Don't try to change your race from white just to try to fit some social standards someone may have made up! Again, be proud in your being white!

    April 4, 2012 at 9:28 am | Report abuse |
  37. Sam

    Let's not kid ourselves. I live in Miami and many of my Spanish speaking colleagues (mainly Cubans) HAVE NOT disguised the fact that they dislike blacks. Label or no label – the feelings are there.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:28 am | Report abuse |
  38. Bob

    A black kid was murdered by a racist. Why is everyone, including Hispanics, making this about Hispanics?

    April 4, 2012 at 9:27 am | Report abuse |
  39. Robert

    Mr Zimmerman looks more like a light skinned black man, a mulatto, the type common in the Dominican Repyblic, Cuba and Puerto Rico than amything else. In Cuba he would be a black man. White he isn't.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:25 am | Report abuse |
    • bambi

      George Zimmerman doesn't look like a light skinned black man. I'd never mistake him for Black and I have Black folks of every complexion in my family. And he certainly doesn't look like any Dominican person I've ever known

      April 4, 2012 at 9:40 am | Report abuse |
    • For Clarification

      Robert, you are sorely losing sight of the fact that Zimmerman's dad is White! And his mother is allegedly of Hispanic origin. Therefore, as far as Race goes, Zimmerman is white by both parents.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
  40. Criolla

    Finally an article that explains that we are not one group , this term was greated by first in Texas when they had to accept minorities in school, "Lets great a race , they are really Mexicans descendants, and anybody that speaks Spanish belongs to it, this way we do not have to accept Blacks" Two organizations that wanted money and political power: La Raza and LULAC, loved the concept, this way a person that speaks Spanish or has a Spanish surname will not go to fatten the real group by race: black, white and asiatic. New districts were formed.
    We are from diferent culture , values,traditions, even music and even foods. I ate for the first time a tortilla when at College I has a surprice for my B/day.
    I have as much with a Cuban ,Mexican, Caribean descendants as I have with a Zulu or an Esquimo. we do not even speak with the same accent in Spanish.
    Many we consider "Hispanic: like the "N"word. Lumping all together because we have same surnames or mother tongue is Spanish is a creation that is false and denigrates us.
    Do Scotts, Irish have to fill a box of which Clan they belong? Or a black person which tribe he/she descends?
    I am American by choice, with Bolivian roots by birth.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:23 am | Report abuse |
  41. Ix

    I don't see anybody complaining about the labels that define the color of their skin when they're applying for things that benefit them, like anything dealing with college or starting their own business.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Criolla

      I came to College like many with our parents paying for it, I graduated in 3 years at the top of the class, I find that is an insult to give points to anybody, for being a woman or origen, I am as intelligent and qualified and even more than anybody, never have used this card. I am one of the highest pain in my profession because I am excellent wotk ethics, never have I or a member of my family any benefits, or points, we never check the race box.
      You have a distorted idea.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:27 am | Report abuse |
      • Ix

        It's not a distorted idea because it happens daily. People get preferential treatment when they check "Hispanic" or "Black" or "Female" ...I'm all for quality but you can't tell me that none of the people complaining about this issue have ever benefited from being classified as a minority. Not all of them have I'm sure, but I bet there are some. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You seem like an exception to this which is great, but there are not many people like you out there.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:31 am | Report abuse |
      • duh

        Either you were angrily typing your post or you are a sign of what colleges are turning out in this day and age. My sons 8th grade grammar and spelling puts yours to shame. If you're going to brag about being a college grad and top of your class, then at least try and let it reflect in your writing skills.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:39 am | Report abuse |
      • Obamatic

        Why can you not speak English properly?

        April 4, 2012 at 9:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Boricua

      Everyone will be Puerto Rican and happy some day. My ancestors are white, black and native american. So I mark all of them in the census. I am also american by right of birth and spanish is my mother tongue. And I go by without prejudices of any kind.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:28 am | Report abuse |
  42. Ix

    I don't see anything wrong with there being Hispanic as a choice. That seems a lot less offensive to me than, "Brown, but not the yellowish brown"

    April 4, 2012 at 9:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Criolla

      I will explain again, we are not a group of sheep, people that speak Spanish or the surname, are white, black, asiatic , indigenous and a mix of all, we have mulattos like Soledad Obrian, whites like Raquel Welch, blacks like Eva Mendes. etc, etc.
      We do not have nothing in common , we are as Americans as anybody, some by birth, others by choice.
      Does everybody that speaks English have to check a box called "English"after they check Race?
      It just benefits some, specially a political party, etc.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:34 am | Report abuse |
      • bambi

        Eva Mendez is considered Black? The girl from Colombiana, yes. Eva Mendez? I don't see it

        April 4, 2012 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
      • Ricky Ray Rector

        you're right about spanish speakers coming in many races but the majority would not be considered white or black in the real world, including zimmerman. and if we're really in need of a more specific category, why not bring mestizo back?

        April 4, 2012 at 9:53 am | Report abuse |
  43. Gmiller

    That this even needs explaining offends me. And I'm not a white liberal and/or any other group who is susceptible to being offended. Apparently I'm a minority: I'm a Smart American.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:18 am | Report abuse |
  44. Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

    Let's face it, the label "White Hispanic" doesn't apply to Hispanic or Latino Americans in general! It applies ONLY to George Zimmerman for two simple reasons! The first reason is attributed to his father's description of him because after this tragedy became public, George Zimmerman's white father was the first person to shed light on the ethnic debate, defending his white heritage by saying his son is not white but Hispanic! Or perhaps he was just trying to defuse the racial profiling charge by saying his son is Hispanic simply because there is historically not a race struggle between Hispanic and African-Americans in this country And we know for a fact that some Hispanics are mixed race and some are black! I've lived among Hispanic Americans for several decades and I've never once experience any hostility or discrimination against myself or against African-Americans! And I know for a fact that Hispanic-Americans don't target African-Americans because of skin color simply because the both groups have got along well for generations in America! However, that does not mean that there are no anti-black Hispanics in America!

    Secondly, the label White Hispanic does fit George Zimmerman apropriately simply because this tragety occured as a result of George Zimmerman LABELING Travon Martin as a criminal becuase of the color of his skin and because of the way Trayvon was dressed! So let's get the issue straight, the term White Hispanic applies ONLY to George Zimmerman!

    Furthermore, should we be concerned with how George Zimmerman is described ethnically or racially or be more concerned with the crime he committed? Let's face it, there's a ton of evidence against George Zimmerman in this case if you were to put the pieces together and I'm surprised that he is still free and not detained! For example, from the police transcrip released to the public, we all know that George Zimmerman was told not to follow Trayvon but yet he disobeyed the police orders and stalked and persued Trayvon! However, if there was ever to be a trial, one key piece of evidence that no one seems to be talking about is going to come up and although there's a ton of evidence to convict Zimmerman, this one piece of evidence would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman murdered Trayvon in cold blood! For example, in the released police transcrip in which Zimmerman was talking to the police dispatcher, Zimmerman reported that Trayvon had ran to the back of the adjacent house! Then if Trayvon intended to attack Zimmerman, then why did he run away? And if Trayvon did in fact run away from Zimmerman, then how did Zimmerman catch up with Trayvon for an altercation to ensue? The evidence simply imply that Zimmerman stalked and persued Trayvon and nurdered him in cold blood!

    Furthermore, let's presume that Trayvon didn't run to the back of the adjacent house and away from Zimmerman as Zimmerman reported but instead, confronted Zimmerman! Then couldn't Zimmerman have deterred Trayvon and averted a physical confrontation by just revealing his weapon? I believe if Zimmerman felt threatened, he could have avoided a confrontation by revealing his weapon and we all know that no unarmed person is going to take on someone with a gun! However, the evidence proves that Zimmerman was the stalker and the aggressor! Furthermore, did Zimmerman identify himself and proved to Trayvon that he himself was not a hostile person attempting to attck or rob Trayvon? Finally, there's talk as to whether Zimmerman did in fact suffer a broken nose! However, sustaining a broken nose in a fight with Trayvon doesn't prove anything whatsoever simply because it doesn't exonerate him as being the stalker, the persuer or the aggressor! Let's face it, George Zimmerman is guilty of cold blooded murder!

    April 4, 2012 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
    • ComSenseWiz

      What happens when the paramedics and cops first arriving on the scene testify that Zimmerman was beat up with a broken nose and banged up head from being slammed into the pavement? When that reality becomes clear, self defense justification will be air tight and all the stupid whinners will look like race baiting idiots.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:31 am | Report abuse |
      • Alyssa

        If that true, and if Zimmerman had a valid reason for using deadly force, then isn't that something that a jury should decide? He intentionally killed a person. The default response should be arrest, and any incarceration should be subject to a jury finding a valid self-defense present.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:45 am | Report abuse |
      • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

        The paramedica can't prove that Zimmerman was't the stalker and the aggressor! Again, suffering a broken nose and a bruised head doesn't prove that Zimmerman is innocent of murder or that he wasn't the one who started the altercation! And again, as stated in the police transcript, Zimmerman told the police dispatcher that Trayvon had ran across the premise and to the back of an ajacent house! That alone seems to me that Trayvon was trying to avert a confrontation and not get into one! Zimmerman's case of self defense doesn't add up at all!

        April 4, 2012 at 10:03 am | Report abuse |
  45. Craig

    Cry me a river.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
  46. MannyHM

    The best is to be able to speak English and Spanish fluently with all its slangs and common expressions.
    Canada has done a better job by incorporating French on its English speaking areas and English in Quebec.
    Conquer a language and it's yours.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:12 am | Report abuse |
  47. meki60

    The Obama group is desperate to link this to first 'white' and then the 'GOP'. Its the only platform they have, Obama can't campaign on his record.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:08 am | Report abuse |
    • doughnuts

      You tea-baggers are just getting desperate. Let it go. You lost in '08, and you're going to lose again this year.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:13 am | Report abuse |
    • boro

      meki60, this is nothing to do with president Obama and his campain. You're mixing apples with oranges.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
  48. mike

    Well, I am no more white than I am green, but I don't take it personally. It's just a box; check it or don't.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:02 am | Report abuse |
    • oscar

      You have to be very cautious in what box you check because that will depend in the type of help or service you will get.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Kyre

      Agreed, and personally I don't much care, just shut up about it already. I suppose cnn put that particular photo up for their usual divisive reasons.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
  49. Zeebloik

    As an being from another world, it amuses me how your species tends to define and divide itself. When others of my kind arrive it will be a trivial matter to set each of your groups on each other. Your species on the whole seems to be guided by emotion much more then knowledge. This will be your undoing and will allow us to conquer.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:59 am | Report abuse |
    • SouthernFriedChicken

      Zeebloik: You will never rule me and mine. Bring it on. We will fight without help form the government which I am sure you control by now ...

      April 4, 2012 at 9:03 am | Report abuse |
    • KeepFreedom

      Just try it and you will see how much we like our freedom. We will send you home with a hurtin'.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Dude

      Allow "us" to conquer? Who is "us"? people that are high? cuz that is all i took from your statement is that you were most likely stoned when you wrote it!

      April 4, 2012 at 9:18 am | Report abuse |
  50. Chris

    Does anyone else feel that talking about stupid stuff like this only allows racism to grow? Who cares?! We don't care of the labels don't fit.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
    • meki60

      Of course its stupid. This is a tactic to insite tensions and further divide the masses. Its the Obama way.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:04 am | Report abuse |
      • Alyssa

        It's the Obama way, even though the US Census has been doing it since 1970 when he was a young child.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:06 am | Report abuse |
  51. m

    How are we going to remember everyone by their country? I mean really? People from other races are from different countries, but who really knows. White/black/asian/hispanic/indian are easy ways to describe someone- like in the case of a robbery. Just need an easy way to describe.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      How about human? No subcategories required.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:05 am | Report abuse |
      • John

        Really......

        Dispatcher: what does the suspect look like
        You: ah he looks HUMAN

        Why thanks captain obvious!

        April 4, 2012 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
  52. Wade

    It is amazing the Tyron's race was never an issue but now Zimmermans is? The man the Liberal media tried to lynch in the press, the man that all the evidence proves is telling the truth, the man that the media were absolute racist against he is the one that now should not have his race questioned. WOW!

    April 4, 2012 at 8:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Kevin Nivek

      Who's Tyron?

      April 4, 2012 at 8:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      You can't even get the victim's name right. His name was Trayvon.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:07 am | Report abuse |
    • SBawgin

      First, due to the history of this country, race has always been an issue and in this particular case, "Trayvon" was targeted *because* of his race-not because he was doing anything wrong– but because of his race, he was targeted, followed, chased and is now dead because of someone's stereotypical believes-and then not arrested until trial or at least charged with man slaughter. If the situation was reversed, that black kid would at least be sitting in jail, instead of walking the street. The law should not protect those who go looking for fights with loaded guns!

      Second, there is no real proof of Zimmerman's claim because if he has any bruises as a result of the fight, that kid had the right to try and defend his life from Zimmerman. Zimmerman has a history of violence, instability and assault. He called the police on a seven year old little black boy who was only playing-????!
      Yes, this Trayvon was an imperfect teen but he did not deserve to die just because he was walking down an American street. Zimmerman even says that it was he that was screaming for help but even that story is now weak due to experts and especially when the screams stopped the very moment the gun went off.

      Third, just because CNN &others are not acting like Lynch-mob-conservative FoxNews and not acting like "every-black-person-in-America-is-guilty-no matter what" does not mean they are wrong. I welcome both sides of all stories and not only what FoxNews or Rush tell me to think or believe. Hispanic, white or black-Zimmerman should not have targeted that kid on that night.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:33 am | Report abuse |
      • Kim

        Actually Zimmerman never labeled anybody, he was asked by the dispatcher how the guy looked, and he said he looked black. The tape that made sound like he was following the guy becasue he was black was tampered and edited by NBC to make it sound worse. Also, Latinos included people that do not speak Spanish like Brazil which is part of Latin America. Also, all people from Latin America are Americans, in fact the name comes from the Italian Americo Vespussi who went around South America and Central America, Columbus discovered America (aka the Caribbean), South America, Central America, he never set foot in the United States. I am a US citizen with roots from Brazil, who considers himself Latino and is multiracial (black, native, white)

        April 4, 2012 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
  53. bitorbite

    Assimilation is for the "insane". There is no such thing as a melting pot in the U.S. What we truly have is a melt-down of American culture – literally a big "mess" is more like it. George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin – regardless of whether he was black, white, blue or purple. Does not matter. His motives may or may not represent the Hispanic culture – only "they" know or George knows. Meanwhile, we all have prejudices and it sickens me to hear someone say that they are not prejudiced, as much as they try and verbalize it to the world. To not be somewhat prejudiced is not being "smart". All cultures and "people" come with idiocencracies that should be avoided or denounced or suppressed. To embrace everyone without discretion is pure insanity and actually a denial of ones self as well as ones principals, beliefs and religion. No one can be "open" to everyone...much like the saying – If you dont stand for something..you fall for everything. The same with people, "If you dont stand or represent someone – you will fall for everyone". America needs to wake up and stop the madness. Embracing everyone is denying who America is....unfortunately...or was trying to become. Other cultures and people should not be what defines America.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      How'd that Aryan Brotherhood meeting go last night?

      April 4, 2012 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
  54. Kevin Nivek

    If you want to identify yourself by your country of origin, then go back to your f**king country of origin!!!!!!!!!! Why do we pander to these zeros?

    April 4, 2012 at 8:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Detox

      Then every white should go back to the United Kingdom and Ireland? Idiot.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:49 am | Report abuse |
      • m

        Yeah, but we are not asking to be refered to as Irish and English. Who would know or care anyway.

        April 4, 2012 at 8:56 am | Report abuse |
      • Chris

        Logic my dear friend...you lack it. We never force others to call us by location. We understand that we come from many lands and so guess what we call ourselves...AMERICANS. Just like an Hispanic that lives here...or black...or Asian should. You are not African American...you are American.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:01 am | Report abuse |
    • David (English/Scotts-Irish/Cherokee)

      I would take most any immigrant as a friend over a hateful xenophobic jerk.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Laquetetenhi

      Let me guess, someone with a name like Kevin Nivek actually traces its roots to this hemisphere? I think NOT! Please don't know bother to reply.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Carlos

      I went to the DMV the other day to renew my license... the black lady says "What's your race?" I say white... she says "no, no, what's your race?"... She could not understand that I'm white and named Carlos... Hispanic doesn't mean anything... I have German, French and Spaniard ancestors... and even though I'm South American I look as white as any other white American in the United States... So because I consider myself a Venezuelan I should just go back to my country? If you moved to China would you automatically consider yourself Chinese?! Would you like it if a Chinese guy said "If you consider yourself American, go back to your country!!"? A LOT of us Latinos contribute greatly to this society... And we're not going back to our countries, not because we don't consider ourselves from that country anymore, but because we are happy with our quality of life here... Oh, and keep in mind, it's actually possible some of those latinos are much smarter than you.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
  55. Nick K

    I'm not white; I'm Belgian, and Slovak. Everyone else gets their "special category". I was raised by a broke single mom and worked hard all through school; the minority in a neighborhood. I didn’t get any special scholarships, with the exception of the one I received for my exceptional grades, which should be available to everyone. Our society has gotten so scared of offending minorities that it has ended up shunning others in need. There aren’t scholarly opportunities for a lot of "Caucasians" these days. I really am not saying this to offend, I promise. I graduated we great grades and a great degree and for the first time in my life I actually have money. It is just strange to me in hindsight that the child of say a rich rapper or football star or Kobe Bryant’s son would have more opportunities under affirmative action due to the color of their skin. It shouldn’t be about that, but about needs. I think it’s time for everyone else to say that their labels don’t fit.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Dodd, T

      The child of KB would be afforded more privileges due to Affirmative Action. Are you aware that the biggest beneficiaries of AA are Caucasian women?

      April 4, 2012 at 9:24 am | Report abuse |
      • Kim

        This is so correct!, I remember going to all those diversity hiring in college, and at the end of the day 90% all of the hirangs went to white women in the name of diversity!!!

        April 4, 2012 at 10:44 am | Report abuse |
  56. dew

    im a american, and if i can't find a job or get tons of foodstamps, all i got to do is tell people im illegal, and i will get foodstamps, free healthcare and the gov. will throw all kind of free stuff for me not being from here, you got to love this gov.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:38 am | Report abuse |
    • latuya83

      dew the troll.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
  57. Ash

    When I was going to school, some of the Hispanics/Latinos attending class with me always made fun of me and called me Chinese even though I was Hmong. Yet when I called the same guy a "Mexican" (he's Puerto Rican), he went all up in arms on me. He didn't see the hypocrisy in calling me Chinese, but was offended if I called him a Mexican.

    I also told some of them "So it's okay for you to call me Chinese, but if I don't refer to you as your nationality, somehow that's wrong? As far as I'm concerned, I'm a damn American, and proud of it."

    Nothing against them, but I found that Puerto Ricans tended to have the most pride in their country, and oftentimes would belittle the US and how awesome it was to live there. They usually wouldn't answer my follow-up question "if it's so awesome living there, and it sucks in the US, why are you here?"

    They usually shut up after that one...

    April 4, 2012 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
    • DC

      Tell the Puerto Rican he doesn't even have a country. They are a colony.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:39 am | Report abuse |
      • KeepFreedom

        They are an unincorporated territory of the US and a Common Wealth.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Nick K

      🙂

      April 4, 2012 at 8:49 am | Report abuse |
    • oscar

      Puerto Rico is NOT a country. It is a "Estado Libre Asociado" que depende de los Estados Unidos.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      The US is Puerto Rico's country. They are a US province (not a colony).

      April 4, 2012 at 9:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Jane

      I agree! Puerto Ricans are overrated. They like to be called Americans when and if that label suits them.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
  58. ivnprt

    I see that CNN keeps driving the point home about Zimmerman's mother being from Peru but nothing at all about

    the father's race. Is Rick Sanchez right about what goes on in the media ?

    April 4, 2012 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
  59. peter martinez

    lI prefer to be recognized as a sp ick!

    April 4, 2012 at 8:34 am | Report abuse |
  60. DC

    The extremist liberals need the label "white hispanic", hispanic and latino.
    The reason they need it is to retain racial divides and carve up voting districts that benefit them.
    Also, it helps in calling the average white guy a racist.

    This Zimmerman issue really put a wrench in the liberal medias sensationalism. This is why they invented the new terms "white hispanic" and "multi-cultural". They still want the opportunity to make a racist case against white males.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      That's because it's still a very convincing case to make, especially in the South.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:12 am | Report abuse |
      • doughnuts

        Florida really deosn't count as a "Southern" state.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:20 am | Report abuse |
      • Alyssa

        Where else geographically would you put Florida, if not in the South, given that it's one of our southern-most and east-most States?

        April 4, 2012 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
  61. GetanEducation

    In that case let me call you IDIOT.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:32 am | Report abuse |
  62. CuriousG

    I'm Hispanic. So what? Big deal! I wasn't born in Mexico, so don't call me a Mexican. I know very little spanish. I'm not sure if I "live" the culture; I do eat mexican food, so I guess so.. My advise to these people is to learn English, get an education and a good job. Life is great!

    April 4, 2012 at 8:28 am | Report abuse |
    • jstanford

      So, if you were born in America, then why not just call yourself American? Or whatever country you were born in you can identify yourself by that. Hi, I was born in Mexico. I am Mexican. Well, hello sir, I was born in America, I am an American....

      April 4, 2012 at 8:59 am | Report abuse |
      • MOVelasco

        Because when I am asked where I am from and I say I'm American the typical response I get is "yeah, yeah, where are you REALLY from?" People don't feel comfortable unless they have a label to describe others and then they complain that people don't refer to themselves as Americans.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      When I'm abroad I call myself American, but in the US, when people ask my ethnicity I say Irish or Italian, even though I wasn't born in either country and neither have several generations of my family going back in history. It's a very uniquely American thing to do.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:14 am | Report abuse |
  63. Jorge

    "The federal government mandated them to categorize Americans who traced their roots to Spanish-speaking countries." Last time I checked Spain is part of Europe and being of Spanish descent can tell you there is a whole lot of "white" people there not "Latinos". Someone pointed out, Brazilians are just that; why? They don't speak Spanish. Get treatment for your OCD and stop trying to put people into little neat boxes.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:26 am | Report abuse |
  64. GetanEducation

    "We might have been able to see this coming given that there is no Hispanic race and Hispanics come in all colors."

    This is so true!

    April 4, 2012 at 8:24 am | Report abuse |
    • You can call me ray

      despite semantics, the intent was to infer racism. If we are talking about the shades of light and dark -then NAACP leader Benjamin Jeoulous should be referred to as a wht-blk because his complexion is just as light as that of Mr Zimmerman. However, If "wht" means caucasian, then why not refer to all other ethnicities with the same redundancy – eg wht Turk, wht Persian. wht chinese, wht guatamalan (who are generally very dark) etc ? You don't do it. This case is an exception for a reason. Houston we still have a problem.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:36 am | Report abuse |
    • cc

      The term Hispanic was intended to differentiate Latin American people from Spanish Europeans (the people who first colonized Latin America, along with the Portuguese). Latin American people are mixed – indigenous, African, and European, all to a different degree. And I know for a fact that upper class friends of mine in Latin America are very quick to tell me that they are Spanish, white not mixed. So, I strongly suspect that the issue of race and class in these countries is very real and very pervasive. On a very personal note, I once took a Spanish instructor of mine to a nice restaurant for lunch in a particular Latin American country, and the owners and other patrons were very perplexed because my guest was very indigenous. Please stop pretending that people in Latin America are color blind. Social stratification based on race is actually really terrible there. People come to the US to escape from this.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:19 am | Report abuse |
      • Carlos

        People were probably perplexed because you were a foreigner, bot because you were hanging out with a native or indigenous... In Venezuela it was very uncommon to see a foreigner in a restaurant or a bar, whenever I saw one it always caught my attention, and it's probable I stared a bit with a perplexed look.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:35 am | Report abuse |
  65. smuzer02

    I'm being racially profiled every time I fill out an application or have my picture taken, right? I'm forced to check the "white/caucasian" box even though my grandfather is Native American. When applying for college/grad school/residency, I had to check these boxes. Why? Is it because my colleagues didn't have to meet the same standards as me? Is it so the schools could equally represent the population? I grew up below the poverty line in a 70% "Hispanic" town. I had no advantages because I was "white/caucasian". Just get rid of the labels so we don't have anything to fight about. This country is a melting pot anyway with a bi-racial president. Let's celebrate that!!

    April 4, 2012 at 8:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Dodd, T

      Wishful thinking. If only it were that simple

      April 4, 2012 at 9:27 am | Report abuse |
  66. Cris

    I just switched jobs and was faced with the dilema of categorizing my race/ethnicity. I HATE being labeled Hispanic or Latino. My family comes from Mexico, I was born in the US. My birth certificate says my Race is White and my Ethnicity is Mexican. And I have dual citizenship with Mexico. So where the hell do I fit in? I don't. I've gotten where I am because of my work ethic and ambition not because of where I came from or the color of my skin. I feel as Mexican as I do American and yet I don't feel truly accepted by either. If I'm in the US I'm not American enough. If I'm in Mexico I'm not Mexican enough. Labels suck!

    April 4, 2012 at 8:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Joe Providence

      Unless your name is Anglicized I’m guessing they will figure it out – If your name is like Zimmerman they might think you are Jewish or German – My guess is they will decide if they like you at the interview – You were born here then you are an American (100%)

      April 4, 2012 at 8:40 am | Report abuse |
  67. Just me

    The picture says it all and explains why so many Americans are angry. As the Mexican waves his Mexican flag while throwing the flag of the United States over their shoulder. NO RESPECT.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Joe Providence

      Kind a like all the rebel flags I see waving at rallies down in the south. Ever drive through neighborhoods in Virginia and Carolina and even Connecticut among other’s and you see as many union jacks as American flags, at Portuguese, polish, Italian and whatever festivals, get together or rallies you always see national flags and these people are 4 and 5th or more generations from their ancestors country. You are just sensitive when it’s a Mexican flag because you don’t like them.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:31 am | Report abuse |
      • Ix

        You must be from the south. Nobody calls it Carolina unless they've lived there.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
      • Alyssa

        Precisely.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Plain Old Joe

        Yet most of these flags, if displayed with a USA flag, are always displayed under the USA flag.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:33 am | Report abuse |
  68. Sagebrush Shorty

    "She teaches Spanish for the intellectual benefits of speaking two languages, more than for cultural purposes, she said."
    Right.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:19 am | Report abuse |
  69. nasa1

    If you have a Daddy you have a name.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:14 am | Report abuse |
  70. Duh-He

    This article is confusing. First they write about race and then change it to nationality. Make up your mind – are we discussing RACE or NATIONALITY?

    April 4, 2012 at 8:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Zenzuki

      Read again. it's okay. give yourself more time to understand it. It's about "hispanics" being equaled to a race, but it isn't. It's an American (United States) category that groups a varied people under one to frame their nationality. See the connect? Good luck.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:14 am | Report abuse |
  71. tom brown

    Labels don't fit??? Its called Illegal...

    April 4, 2012 at 8:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Furious Styles

      Whooosh!! And another one goes completely over Tom's head...LOL

      April 4, 2012 at 8:19 am | Report abuse |
  72. D Wolf

    It seems people are confusing ethnicity and nationality. The term Hispanic is meant to apply to the former, not the latter. It's used on the same forms that ask a person to identify themselves as Black or White, not Angolan, Irish, Vietnamese etc.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Joe Providence

      Actually you are incorrect, Hispanic’s are not linked ethnically, but by language – it is a designation of the language of your country of origin. Peruvian’s who are mostly mixed with native south American Indians are completely separate from Cuban’s who are mostly of pure European Spanish decent, pure African decent or a mix of the two. The term Hispanic (which) appears on applications and such is just to distinguish immigrants from Spanish speaking countries of Latin America from those who immigrated from everywhere else in the world – This was to safeguard their rights and keep them from exclusion and exploitation.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Eric Santos

      HIspanic/Latino is not a race/ethnicity by any means, it's just another useless, baseless dumb label. It's really sad when you see a thread like this when people make all sorts of ignorant comments. When you put a label like that you consider equal a guy from Argentina who had Italian/Spanish background to another from Mexico that has Native American (Aztec) roots and another one from Colombia who happens to be African/Colombian. The only thing they have in common is the language they share.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      Oddly enough, the term "hispanic" is not intended to include people from Spain, the origination point for the language that applies to all hispanics.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:18 am | Report abuse |
  73. Mike

    Get a life already. The term "latinos" makes me sick. Do you see the Italians running around identifying themselves as "Italianos"

    April 4, 2012 at 8:03 am | Report abuse |
    • Betsy

      This is possibly the dumbest comment I have ever seen. I honestly don't know why I am taking the time to reply to it, I should probably ignore it because it is so completely ridiculous, but I just want to make sure someone tells you that you're an idiot.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:15 am | Report abuse |
      • Just me

        Actually Betsy, they are telling it like it is. But I guess that offends your little brain. Too bad.

        April 4, 2012 at 8:19 am | Report abuse |
      • breaker911

        Hey Mike and Just me, Did you read the article or just trolling? It says Latinos don't call themselves latinos or hispanics, its something the government came up with to make sure you could still feel special and superior by being called your actual name instead of being identified by how you look or talk.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Slavko

      Whites in USA are EUROPEAN AMERICANS....not only "whites"...lets label everybody then...

      April 4, 2012 at 8:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Jill American

      Actually, yes I do. Every Columbus Day ....

      April 4, 2012 at 8:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      When people ask I do categorize myself as Irish or Italian. But clearly I'm also American.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:20 am | Report abuse |
    • Kim

      Yes they do!, have you ever been to NY, Boston or Chicago?, , most people there say they are Italian, but also white and from the US

      April 4, 2012 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
    • MOVelasco

      Why yes Mike, yes I do. Come to New Jersey/New York and you will see clearer.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
      • MOVelasco

        Correction..... yes they do. I am not Italian.

        April 4, 2012 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
  74. Really?

    Richard and Doodad
    Get a life. I would like to see your peeps come out and work in the lettuce fields or better yet why not be a nanny for the so called rich and famous who don't want to raise their own children. There are many Mexicans, South Americans, and "Latinos" that do many service type jobs that people don't want to do. Why, because they pay crap! What Mexicans and others should do is unionize and then of course, all will be fixed, right? Same story...different culture people use to probably say crap about your family and where they came from, hence your ignorance.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:03 am | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It’s both funny and sad that you think working a menial job for little pay (because you have no other choice due to your legal status) as a badge of honor.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:07 am | Report abuse |
    • Just me

      Get over your illegal self. They accept low pay because they are here illegally.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:17 am | Report abuse |
  75. Joe Providence

    Hispanic isn’t a race it’s language based – It means you are from a Spanish speaking country of the America’s as opposed to Spanish who hail from Spain. I believe that 2nd generation citizens of Hispanic origin who grew up native to the US should lose that designation and simply be regarded by race for description without further elaboration (like I am considered just white – not a white Italian, Irish and Frenchmen). I know it isn’t right to distinguish people by race, and in regards to most things it is flat out wrong since we are all individuals with our own pluses and minuses – but if you have to describe someone’s appearance than obviously you’d include their race since it’s a baseline. People need to be more honest about this stuff on all sides.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:03 am | Report abuse |
    • Joe Prov

      Sorry for the duplicate it said sever maintenance so I wasn't sure it posted.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:08 am | Report abuse |
  76. Mike

    Get a life already. The term "latinos" makes me sick. Do you see the Italians running around identifying themselves as "Italianos"?

    April 4, 2012 at 8:02 am | Report abuse |
  77. jake

    This article omits the topic of mestizos or indigenos. American demographers might be trying to be all inclusive but it's not the case for many of the Latino immigrants in this country.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:01 am | Report abuse |
  78. john

    Whether you agree with the article or not, I think it is correctly presented. My Mexican-American wife (born in Texas) has always called herself Mexican, not Latino or Hispanic. My kids, who are half-Mexican, consider themselves white. My female friend from Puerto Rico calls herself Puerto Rican, hot Latino or Hispanic. Are none of them have anything in common with Cubans. That's the problem with the media usually trying to portray this vast group under one name.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:00 am | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @ john
      If your wife was born in Texas she should call herself an American. You sir and your wife are part of the problem.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:11 am | Report abuse |
      • LJ

        Well I was born in Chicago, south side, but I'm not American, I'm Irish to the core, Tiocfaidh ar La!

        April 4, 2012 at 8:33 am | Report abuse |
      • Jane

        @ Tom, tom the piper's son..........YOU and people like you are the problem. RACIST people in America are the problem in the US of A. Not the actual immigrants!

        April 4, 2012 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
  79. Joe

    Hispanic isn’t a race it’s language based – It means you are from a Spanish speaking country of the America’s as opposed to Spanish who hail from Spain. I believe that 2nd generation citizens of Hispanic origin who grew up native to the US should lose that designation and simply be regarded by race for description without further elaboration (like I am considered just white – not a white Italian, Irish and Frenchmen). I know it isn’t right to distinguish people by race, and in regards to most things it is flat out wrong since we are all individuals with our own pluses and minuses – but if you have to describe someone’s appearance than obviously you’d include their race since it’s a baseline.

    April 4, 2012 at 8:00 am | Report abuse |
  80. john colosey

    Why isn't there any talk about Chicano self-identification? We have Chicano Studies departments across the United States in our universities. Many 2nd and 3rd generations of Mexican descent that were born in the United States identify themselves as Chicano, not Mexican or Mexican-American or Latino!

    April 4, 2012 at 8:00 am | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why isn’t there talk about Klingon-os self-identification? We have Klingon-os studies ‘departments’ at convention centers and basements across the United States.

      You can call yourself whatever you want. Most of us don’t care.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:15 am | Report abuse |
      • Alyssa

        Just a guess, but perhaps Klingons are treated differently than Chicanos is because Klingons are a science fictions species that doesn't actually exist in the universe.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:23 am | Report abuse |
  81. David

    The term hispanic or latino is a terrible one. Its is almost like calling asian ANYBODY from asia, including russians, arabs and indians.

    Brazilians dont speak spanish. Are they spanish?

    You really want to divide by similar cultures you could do something like:

    Central Americans : Mexicans (yes I know that mexico is north america), nicaragua, honduras, belize etc.

    caribeans: dominicans, cubans, ouerto ricans, venezuelans, colombia (i know thatbthe last ones are in south america)

    Andes: Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia

    Brazilians : (because they are very different than the others and diverse)

    South cone: Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay.

    At least in this way you have cultures and ethinicities that actually share similarities.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:59 am | Report abuse |
    • lala

      Dear David, please do not categozire people by their geographical location, it that case, Chile and Colombia also belong to the Andes "category".

      April 4, 2012 at 8:29 am | Report abuse |
    • lala

      Im not sure what you mean by Brazilian being "different from the others" if you do some traveling, you will see that indeed we all look different, yet there are more similarities than differences.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Maginica

      We are all Americans. I was born in Nicaragua, I am American. If you are form Mexico, you are still American. When will all you from USA will get that America is the continent???? Why does being European include all the countries but being American only the USA? I'm am Hispanic because I come from a Spanish speaking country but I am also American because my country IS in America.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:38 am | Report abuse |
  82. will

    Eight great grand parents... any of them not white? Neither are you.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      Really? The one drop rule?

      April 4, 2012 at 9:27 am | Report abuse |
  83. AmericanIndianHispanic

    During the Vietnam war all persons of hispanic orgin were labeled as "Caucasian". If you look at all the death certificates of all Hispanic men that died in the war, they were labeled as "Caucasian". I am of Hispanic and American Indian origin but when I fill out applications I label myself as "American". I don't want any special treatment, I want an employer to hire me for my qualifications. Oh! and I am a "Republican" also.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:59 am | Report abuse |
  84. Oral Rabidsome

    I pick the category "human being".

    April 4, 2012 at 7:58 am | Report abuse |
  85. Chris from Iowa

    I agree with Intrepid. I have a Spanish surname, but our people haven't been in Mexico for nearly 100 years. No one speaks Spanish. I didn't know what a jalapeno was until I left home for college in '83. I did a DNA test recently. Dad's haplogroup Q shows Native American heritage going back to the Bering Strait crossing from Siberia (most all indigenous peoples in North and South America are Haplogroup Q). Mom's shows Haplogroup X, which is 2% of Europeans, mostly Scandinavians, and if you look at where it's scattered around the globe, it's in Viking trading/raiding areas. "Hispanic" is a dopey phrase and should be tossed to the dustbin of history. Why don't we just start calling whites "Euroids" or something?

    Many of you dolts who crab about illegal aliens (I'm looking at you Doodad) should get tested to see what other groups you hate are in your genetic makeup. Spend $300 and get to know the truth about yourself and shut up.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:57 am | Report abuse |
  86. Beavis

    Are we still living in the early 1900s? Do latinos have different bathrooms, schools, and cross walks too? Sitting in the back of the bus? CNN's a joke

    April 4, 2012 at 7:56 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      CNN is People Magazine posing as a news source.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:01 am | Report abuse |
  87. Mike

    I am a proud, well educated and successful Puerto rican. Don't call me hispanic or latino – theses are anglo labels forced upon us by the Government. I want the Government to do away with it. People like myself describe ourselves by the Spanish speaking country our parents originate from. As far as Mr. Zimmerman, we'll never know the truth. However, lets not pretend that this kid could not have forced Mr. Zimmermans hand.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      He could have. But that's for a jury to decide isn't it?

      April 4, 2012 at 9:29 am | Report abuse |
      • Jane

        yes, Alyssa, a jury........not for you, other black people, other white people and or other people to decide ....only the ones with all of the facts- a jury of his peers with all the facts- that's it! innocent until proven guilty remember? A lot of people have forgotten this already. It has not been proven that he killed Trayvon one way or the other yet. People need to stop judging and demanding something when they don't have all the facts yet.

        April 4, 2012 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
  88. SomeGuy

    The term hispanic or latino is a terrible one. Its is almost like calling asian ANYBODY from asia, including russians, arabs and indians.

    Brazilians dont speak spanish. Are they spanish?

    You really want to divide by similar cultures you could do something like:

    Central Americans : Mexicans (yes I know that mexico is north america), nicaragua, honduras, belize etc.

    caribeans: dominicans, cubans, ouerto ricans, venezuelans, colombia (i know thatbthe last ones are in south america)

    Andes: Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia

    Brazilians : (because they are very different than the others and diverse)

    South cone: Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay.

    At least in this way you have cultures and ethinicities that actually share similarities.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:55 am | Report abuse |
    • common sense

      agree 100%. Hispanic is a nonsense word

      April 4, 2012 at 8:00 am | Report abuse |
    • Chut Pata

      Dude. Nobody refers to Russians as Asians coz they are not. They are European, blonder and whiter than Spaniards, Italians, and Portugese.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:04 am | Report abuse |
      • Eric Santos

        There's about 45 million Russians with Asian facial features (eyes/nose like Chinese, round faces) dark hair and asian skin color. Study a little bit about Russia. It's a giant country and with a lot of mixed races there. Not everyone looks like Sharapova.

        April 4, 2012 at 8:36 am | Report abuse |
      • Alyssa

        Russia is most certainly a (huge) part of continental Asia, making them Asian.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:30 am | Report abuse |
  89. Will

    Whatever they are, its not white. Our President is as close to being white as any Hispanic. Just 'cause you have some white in you doesn't make you white.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:54 am | Report abuse |
    • sassypants

      We should just create a category called mutt for all non-whites. 🙂

      April 4, 2012 at 8:04 am | Report abuse |
      • headaches hurt

        lets put ur moms in the group first 🙂

        April 4, 2012 at 8:23 am | Report abuse |
      • Alyssa

        How do you define "white"? I'm assuming Nordic countries by your standard are white. Is Spain white? Italy? Greece? Turkey? Egyptian? Australian? Where do you draw your lines? Only the blue-eyed people? What about black people with blue eyes? Blonde-haired people? What about Aborigines in Australia with blonde hair?

        April 4, 2012 at 9:36 am | Report abuse |
      • Ricky Ray Rector

        "How do you define "white"?"

        the light skinned people whose ancestry derives solely from europe, from iceland to russia. simple as that.

        April 4, 2012 at 9:59 am | Report abuse |
    • latuya83

      Your ignorance and prejudice is showing there're many different races in the Spanish speaking world I'm Cuban, white with green eyes, you see you're wrong

      April 4, 2012 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
    • Alyssa

      You're quoting from the one-drop rule, used in the Antebellum South to prevent mulattos from attaining the rights of whites. It said that one drop of black ancestry was enough to make that person black, even if 99% of that person was from white ancestry. They were "soiled" by blackness. Our President is as much white (50%) as he is black (50%), but to you that automatically puts him in the black category. You have a very simplistic view of the world.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:33 am | Report abuse |
      • Dodd, T

        The president also considers himself "Black".

        April 4, 2012 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
  90. NMEast

    It doesn't make sense to me, this idea that you can be Mexican-American, or African-American. I don't go around saying I am an Irish-German-Polish-Scottish American. I don't fly some other flag than the U.S. flag. I am American, I was born here, my parents were born here, my family immigrated legally in the early 1900's. I speak two languages, German and English. My children speak French, German, Spanish and English, the foreign languages, by their choice. We are AMERICAN. Doesn't matter where we came from, the fact that we are living in America, as citizens, makes us American. You can't have two countries, you must pick one. That doesn't mean you have to give over your culture, I celebrate my Jewish roots, my Irish roots, my German roots, yet I am still an American. This race thing has gotten out of hand. Are you so insecure in who you are that you must throw your previous ancestry in everyone's face?

    April 4, 2012 at 7:54 am | Report abuse |
    • latuya83

      Maybe if Hispanics started emigrating here in the 1900's it would be different by now, but for the most part, other than Mexicans, hispanics started coming here in the 80's and 90's so you see we are fairly new, for the most part we are still in the first and starting the second generations. I'm sure when your grandparents came here in the 1900's they were German Americans, or whatever derogative name they called them back then.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:20 am | Report abuse |
  91. HLC

    CNN should interview some "black-hispanics" and ask them how's it going.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:51 am | Report abuse |
    • Veritas

      I'm American of Hispanic origin, and I have relatives that are both light skinned and very dark skinned. The only time the latter was ever referred to as "black" was when they moved to America. Go figure.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:23 am | Report abuse |
      • Dodd, T

        Oh, how they must hate being referred to as "Black" lol

        April 4, 2012 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
  92. Gustavo

    What's with the attacks Dooodad? Are we talking about illegal immigration here? Are you that scared of them that you hide behind your cyber space to prolong your hatred and racism with these little smart ass remarks?? Bet you can't say that out loud where you live so you have to come troll in every article that talk about Hispanics hu? Coward.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:50 am | Report abuse |
  93. Jimmy

    I no longer now want to be considered white, i now want to be known as an English, Scottish, Irish, French, German, Sweedish-Cherokee. This is America, your either Asian, Latino, White or Black, that's just how it is. When you come to America, you give up your other nationalities and adopt a new one. This does not mean you cannot have pride in your heritage, or keep customs from your native land, it just means when you come here you become part of something new.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Ken

      Part of the problem is that we have had 200 yrs to mix up the English, German's, Italian's, Irish, (sorry for missing the other Europeans) to form one big mutt -White. All those nationalities did not like each other when they came over, but have finally mixed so much that we are all one. The Central American and South American immigration has mostly been over the last 30 years, so they (plus the Asians) are the one's who are getting the most flack until the next generations are born and raised here and have kids that become fully American. I live outside DC and my White kids-had to say it to explain, are best friends with Koreans, African Americans, Spaniards, Bolivians, Iranians, Chileans, Indians, along with White kids. Those kids that have all grown up here are all the same... There all play Xbox and love sports. My kids don't understand this whole Trayvon thing since skin color doesn't matter to them. What matters is whether or not the kids are nice or not.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:12 am | Report abuse |
  94. richard

    how bout just be honest. 20 milion would be classified as illegal alien.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:38 am | Report abuse |
    • benefitpro

      Isn't Richard interchangeable with Dick, yeah Richard is Dick. That is more true thatn 20 million illiegal aliens.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Kachoto

      There are ore than 20 million cr@ck heads in this country and I don't see the little boxes for them to self identify...you know what I'm talking about ...

      April 5, 2012 at 12:13 am | Report abuse |
  95. Ali

    "Hispanic" groups were among those lobbying the government for the "Hispanic" category way back when, the better to gain political power. We have only to look at the press and recent articles about how important the "Hispanic" or "Latino" vote is (Ieven though in total there were only 10 million Latinos out of 131 million people who voted in 2008), and how to win it candidates need to promise amnesty to illegal aliens, to realize why these terms are still in use. Some people, so called leaders of these groups obviously benefit.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:33 am | Report abuse |
  96. Jimmy

    This "identification" thing needs a total revamp. There's so much confusion with people self-determining it's demographics, heritage, culture, geographic, roots, etc. It's RACE...as in "breed" when referring to say dogs or cats. How hard is that! If we don't want to identified as a specific breed, then we may as well eliminate the entire "identification" thing altogether.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:28 am | Report abuse |
  97. mannycl

    I am a white Hispanic of Cuban origin. When somebody ask where I am from or my ethnic background I say Cuban. Being considered Latino does not bother me in a sense that we all share the same common linguistic roots with Spain. However our countries, even though we speak the same language, have for the most part very different cultures and historic backgrounds unrelated to each other. Just go to Argentina and Mexico, as and example, and we will notice a very strong difference between both countries that will make you wonder about what is called being Latino.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      But can't the same be said for "white", "caucasian" or "European"? Whatever label you want to throw on white people, if we trace our ancestry back to Europe we'll find a myriad of different cultures, languages, histories. Still, we're all labeled as white. If you were to spend a week in Ireland and a week in Germany, the cultures would be so different, and the people would look so different you'd think "what's this "white" race?"

      April 4, 2012 at 7:55 am | Report abuse |
  98. adoptive parent

    As the parent of an internationally adopted child, I don't like the use of racial terms for Americans. My son is from El Salvador. He was raised in Europe. When he says "Hispanic" on a job application, it marks him for reasons that will never impact his ability to do the job for which he is applying, although his upbringing in diplomatic circles is what makes him different. Maybe he should say he's a Diplobrat. My son considers himself an American, plain and simple.

    Should everyone preface their nationality or race, even those whose families have been here for hundreds of years? We all came from somewhere else, that's the beauty of this county. Should I be stating that I am Euro-American?.

    April 4, 2012 at 7:22 am | Report abuse |
  99. common sense

    Hispanic is a fake term to make Latin Americans feel better about themselves. You are descendants of WHITE southern Europeans, you are white. End of story, end of special status.

    April 4, 2012 at 5:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Cordobes

      Special status??

      April 4, 2012 at 7:18 am | Report abuse |
      • Ali

        "Hispanic" is purely an ethnic category, not a racial one, yet "Hispanics" get affirmative action, the only purely ethnic group to do so. Why?

        April 4, 2012 at 7:35 am | Report abuse |
      • Ali

        As Esteebo points out, many "Hispanics" are of non Hispanic origins, such as Lebanese. The richest man in the world is a Mexican, the son of Lebanese immigrants to Mexico. Now, Mr. Slim would benefit from affirmative action policies in this country on the grounds that he's Hispanic, while I, an American of Lebanese ancestry would not. Census classifies Arabs as White by definition and we're not eligible for such benefits. Obviously, being "Hispanic" offers benefits even to White Hispanics that are not offered to other ethnic groups, even though virtually every immigrant group to this country has experienced discrimination at some point in its history.

        April 4, 2012 at 7:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Dmitri

      Great theory. Tell that to a Mexican Mayan who speaks Quichean and has no European ancestry that he's "white." Is he white? Native American? Mexican? "Latino?" You oversimplify an incredibly complex cultural area.

      April 4, 2012 at 7:26 am | Report abuse |
      • Ali

        The Museum of the American Indian in DC includes the indigenous peoples of Latin America as Native Americans.

        April 4, 2012 at 7:41 am | Report abuse |
      • Mazamitla

        Quechua is the Incan language

        April 4, 2012 at 9:32 am | Report abuse |
    • Esteebo

      There are Hispanics of all races. A lot are mixed as well, but there are some of pure native ancestry, some of pure black ancestry, even some from several Asian countries. A friend of mine is Hispanic, yet his name is Hussein. Yes, there are even Cubans of Lebonese ancestry as well. Hispanic has nothing to do with race.

      April 4, 2012 at 7:30 am | Report abuse |
      • Franktoo

        I lived 26 years in Central and South America and know how citizens of those areas identify themselves, regardless of racial origin. I agree with you. I think that the reason for categorizing ethnicities and races is no longer valid.

        April 4, 2012 at 8:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Uncommonly good sense

      Hispanics are people from Spanish-speaking countries regardless of race. Not all such people are descendants of white Europeans. Some are Amerindian or what we call here, "Native American". Mestizo is a common Central/South American term for mixed race. In some countries it commonly means a mix of European and Amerindian and in others any mix. Bottom line is that "Hispanic" is a useless term and should never have been made a category by the US. Stick with the actual country of origin. But on a more basic level, ALL racial ID (white, black, Indian, etc.) needs to be considered with just a bit more than a grain of salt. Why? That ID is up to the individual with no proof requirement, even on the US Census. Racial ID is an individual feel-good effort that the government takes to extreme levels for social program management.

      April 4, 2012 at 7:44 am | Report abuse |
    • common sense

      Mayans are Native Americans, they are just as "Hispanic" as Cherokee are Anglos. Lebanese are Lebanese, just like the Lebanese in North America.

      April 4, 2012 at 7:55 am | Report abuse |
    • common sense

      Mayans are Native Americans, they are just as "Hispanic" as Cherokee are Anglos. Lebanese are Lebanese, just like the Lebanese in North America. Mixed race are mixed race, just like in North America. Most of you are white Spanish/Portuguese Europeans, whether you like it or not.

      April 4, 2012 at 7:57 am | Report abuse |
    • MOVelasco

      Tell Sammy Sosa or Zoe Saldana that they are white. Please think before you speak.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
  100. Intrepid

    I am American of Hispanic Heritage. How about this? Why is it that since my wife is white and of German decent that it is not listed as a request on Job forms? It only asks White/Caucasian: Well, why is this the case when it should be even across the board in asking where and or what your Heritage may be? In closing, I am an American, nothing less and nothing more. My ancestors have been in America for over 100 years, longer than some White/Caucasian Citizens. It has to change across the Board, no American should be rated or labeled and grouped in order to qualify for a position, demographic acknowledgement or otherwise existence of simply being a citizen from somewhere.

    April 4, 2012 at 4:26 am | Report abuse |
    • One-Country-One-language-flag-All-Citizens

      I to am an American nothing more nothing less. It frustrates me to no end to hear some one call themselves an X-Amerian. It is racist and divisive that our government lumps us into racial groups. Your family has been here over 100 years and YOU are an AMERICAN and your skin tone is meaningless. How can the government pit us against each other based on skin tone a fact that NONE of us had a say so in. You and I might some time meet and become best of friends or worst of enemies either way I would hope that it was based upon our insight as to what kind of people we are not the color of our skin. I am of Swiss decent and my great-great-great grand father changed our name to become AMERICAN not Swiss-American just a plain old US-Citizen who wished to melt into the pot with his fellow Americans.
      Keep up the fight against these groups seeking an advantage over others. Great post.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Nick K

      Sir, your comment mirros my feeling exactly.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:22 am | Report abuse |
    • WorldTraveler

      Thank you for the lucid exlanation of my feelings.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
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